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- 0:00Speaker 1: Welcome, everybody.
- 0:00Speaker 2: Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off now. We
- 0:03Speaker 2: are so thrilled to be here with you. And we
- 0:06Speaker 2: have a lot to discuss. Obviously, days away now. Days
- 0:11Speaker 2: away from Election Day. And that means we can also
- 0:17Speaker 2: talk about a lot of the early vote that has
- 0:19Speaker 2: come in.
- 0:19Speaker 1: And you know what?
- 0:20Speaker 2: Because it's Monday... And we don't want you to have
- 0:22Speaker 2: a case of the sad Mondays. We're going to give
- 0:24Speaker 2: you some very encouraging news. Now, encouraging is the key
- 0:28Speaker 2: word when talking about this election right now, because if
- 0:33Speaker 2: you have not voted and Clay and I have both
- 0:36Speaker 2: done so, I'm not as smug about it as Clay is,
- 0:38Speaker 2: but we have both, in fact, early voted. And he
- 0:41Speaker 2: is going to harangue you. I think that would be
- 0:43Speaker 2: the proper word, right, Clay? You're going to shame everyone
- 0:46Speaker 2: to get out there and vote as quickly as possible.
- 0:48Speaker 3: You and I are both better Americans than anyone listening
- 0:52Speaker 3: right now who has not already cast their ballots.
- 0:55Speaker 1: We love America more than— Who can? Not everyone can, right?
- 0:58Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Okay, fine.
- 1:01Speaker 3: He's being mean. We have found out ways to get
- 1:04Speaker 3: our votes in. because we love this country more than
- 1:08Speaker 3: you do. So my personal challenge is, if you don't
- 1:11Speaker 3: want Buck and I rising up and dunking on you,
- 1:15Speaker 3: by being better Americans, then you should get out this
- 1:18Speaker 3: week and get your ballots cast where it is legal
- 1:23Speaker 3: to do so.
- 1:23Speaker 1: We're not Democrats. This is a new thing.
- 1:26Speaker 2: Clay Travis has now come up with vote shaming. He's
- 1:29Speaker 2: going to vote shame you. Yes, I am vote shaming
- 1:31Speaker 2: everyone out there. It's not fat shaming. It's vote shaming.
- 1:33Speaker 2: You've got to get out there and you've got to vote.
- 1:34Speaker 2: But to encourage that, there's some very good early numbers
- 1:39Speaker 2: and early indicators. which should mean you want to keep
- 1:42Speaker 2: this winning vibe going. We will give you some of
- 1:45Speaker 2: those specifics here momentarily. President Trump, by the way, out
- 1:47Speaker 2: there on the stump over the weekend. He is lighting
- 1:50Speaker 2: it up, as, of course, Trump does. That Michigan Senate
- 1:53Speaker 2: race is an absolute bare knuckle, maybe even brass knuckle.
- 1:58Speaker 2: I'll even elevate it beyond bare knuckle, brass knuckle brawl.
- 2:02Speaker 2: It is going to be down to the wire. It's
- 2:04Speaker 2: very tight. By the way, our attorney general, who I
- 2:06Speaker 2: don't see do that much media. He was great over
- 2:09Speaker 2: the weekend with CNN's Dana Bash setting her straight. Also
- 2:14Speaker 2: got some updates on the Texas Senate race. And by
- 2:18Speaker 2: the way, Barack Obama's out there now telling people what
- 2:21Speaker 2: to do. So there's that. OK, Clay, first off, midterm election.
- 2:26Speaker 2: Let's just take a look at this. And then I
- 2:28Speaker 2: want you to give everybody the Florida data, even though
- 2:30Speaker 2: you're you're part time, Clay.
- 2:32Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 2:32Speaker 2: Halfway Clay in Florida. You know, he's not full Florida, everybody.
- 2:35Speaker 2: Some of us go full Florida. Clay's part part time.
- 2:39Speaker 2: CNN's Harry Enten. Here's what he says about how Republicans
- 2:41Speaker 2: are doing so far. Play cut one.
- 2:44Speaker 5: Mid-October generic congressional ballot underestimated the Republican Party. Get this
- 2:49Speaker 5: 15 of 16 times since 1994. So Democrats, hold on
- 2:55Speaker 5: a second. We we got to have we got to
- 2:57Speaker 5: have the caution cone here. We got to have the
- 2:59Speaker 5: caution cone here. Because the bottom line is this. There
- 3:02Speaker 5: is a history of Democrats underperforming their polling at this
- 3:05Speaker 5: point in the election cycle.
- 3:07Speaker 2: Clay suppression polling thing is real. Generic underestimate a generic
- 3:12Speaker 2: ballot underestimation.
- 3:13Speaker 1: Republicans, 90 percent of the time.
- 3:15Speaker 3: 15 out of 16 times, Democrats have been projected to
- 3:20Speaker 3: do better than they actually do. 15 out of 16 times.
- 3:26Speaker 3: That is, I think, clearly not happening by happenstance. This
- 3:32Speaker 3: is a calculated effort to make Republicans think, oh, you
- 3:36Speaker 3: guys are going to lose.
- 3:38Speaker 1: Don't go vote.
- 3:39Speaker 3: And we are here to tell you that there are
- 3:41Speaker 3: about 30 million ballots that have been cast already. I'm
- 3:45Speaker 3: not going to go into the polls at all. I've
- 3:47Speaker 3: got a couple of different stories. This is real data.
- 3:51Speaker 3: About 30 million of you have already voted all over
- 3:55Speaker 3: this country in the states that allow you to determine
- 3:58Speaker 3: whether you are a registered Republican or registered Democrat. It
- 4:03Speaker 3: is virtually identical to the turnout in 2022. OK, so
- 4:09Speaker 3: this idea of a blue wave has not materialized in
- 4:13Speaker 3: any way with the 30 million ballots that are actually
- 4:17Speaker 3: out there already. OK, all everybody early voting. The data
- 4:21Speaker 3: reflects this is going to be another very, very close race,
- 4:26Speaker 3: just like 2020, just like 2016, just like 2022, just
- 4:31Speaker 3: like 2024.
- 4:33Speaker 1: It's going to come down.
- 4:34Speaker 3: To who can actually get their base out on Election Day,
- 4:39Speaker 3: who can rally and get their votes in early. And
- 4:41Speaker 3: let me say this because I'm going to say it
- 4:43Speaker 3: all week and on Monday and on Tuesday, but all
- 4:46Speaker 3: this week for sure. If you get your vote in,
- 4:50Speaker 3: you might say, why does it matter? OK, if you
- 4:52Speaker 3: get your vote in, all of the candidates out there
- 4:56Speaker 3: tell us that they can then focus on lower propensity voters.
- 5:01Speaker 1: You're off the list. You are checked.
- 5:03Speaker 3: You have shown up. You have done your duty. And
- 5:06Speaker 3: I would just reiterate, as many of you likely have
- 5:09Speaker 3: experienced who are moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas
- 5:12Speaker 3: and aunts and uncles, you could wake up on Election
- 5:15Speaker 3: Day and And your kid could have a hundred and
- 5:18Speaker 3: three degree fever.
- 5:19Speaker 1: You could be.
- 5:20Speaker 3: Called in to come and help take care of somebody
- 5:22Speaker 3: else's kid in your family. There are just so many
- 5:25Speaker 3: things that could materialize that make it hard. Maybe you
- 5:28Speaker 3: get a flat tire. I was out last night putting
- 5:31Speaker 3: air in the tires with my 16 year old trying
- 5:34Speaker 3: to teach him how to do it. because I didn't
- 5:36Speaker 3: want him to get a flat tire driving to school
- 5:38Speaker 3: this morning.
- 5:39Speaker 1: All right. There's lots of things that can.
- 5:41Speaker 3: Go awry and askew in your life that mean even
- 5:45Speaker 3: if you're planning to vote on Election Day, there are
- 5:47Speaker 3: likely going to be millions of people planning to vote
- 5:50Speaker 3: on Election Day that just end up too busy and
- 5:53Speaker 3: don't make it to the polls. OK, the other part
- 5:55Speaker 3: of this that is supremely significant. So 30 million votes out.
- 5:59Speaker 3: You cannot tell a difference between 2022, which was another
- 6:03Speaker 3: 50-50 election, in the midterms.
- 6:06Speaker 1: Here's something else.
- 6:08Speaker 6: Florida.
- 6:09Speaker 1: We have a huge audience in Florida. Buck lives there.
- 6:13Speaker 3: Florida, just in the last couple of hours, Democrats bank
- 6:18Speaker 3: an advantage with mail voting and with in-person voting early.
- 6:23Speaker 3: Republicans have now reversed it just in the last couple
- 6:26Speaker 3: of hours. We have seen this happen, Buck, in 2022
- 6:30Speaker 3: and in 2024 when Florida Republicans have shown up in
- 6:35Speaker 3: huge numbers. There are a lot of toss-up congressional seats
- 6:39Speaker 3: in Florida. to Byron Donalds and Ashley Moody, who are
- 6:43Speaker 3: running at the top, our friend A.G.
- 6:45Speaker 1: Utmeyer.
- 6:46Speaker 3: All of these guys need to win, guys and gals.
- 6:49Speaker 3: And Florida is one that is easy to test, Buck,
- 6:52Speaker 3: because they have great data that updates every few hours.
- 6:56Speaker 3: After the mess of 2000, Florida went out and said,
- 6:59Speaker 3: we're fixing all of our issues with the election. I
- 7:01Speaker 3: think they probably have the best and most reliable election
- 7:05Speaker 3: data of any country, of any state out there. And
- 7:08Speaker 3: what they are showing right now, Buck, is that much
- 7:12Speaker 3: like in 2022 and much like in 2024, Florida Republicans
- 7:17Speaker 3: are eliminating all of the Democrat firewall before we even
- 7:21Speaker 3: get to Election Day when Republicans tend to vote in
- 7:25Speaker 3: much higher numbers than Democrats.
- 7:27Speaker 1: So there's the data for everybody out there, as we said,
- 7:29Speaker 1: eight days out.
- 7:31Speaker 2: So we have a million vote registration advantage for Republicans
- 7:34Speaker 2: now in Florida. So Fortress Florida is very real, but
- 7:38Speaker 2: you have to keep it that way. Part of this also,
- 7:40Speaker 2: I would say, is the, you know, if you all
- 7:43Speaker 2: remember Operation Chaos, we need to have a demoralization operation
- 7:48Speaker 2: for the left in Florida and also elsewhere in the
- 7:52Speaker 2: country who might think about moving to Florida and bring
- 7:55Speaker 2: their left-wing politics. The redder Florida is, the less blue
- 7:59Speaker 2: there will be, if you know what I mean.
- 8:02Speaker 1: People go, oh. I've even come across this, Clay.
- 8:04Speaker 2: I've heard people read and go, when I'm up in
- 8:06Speaker 2: New York in particular, I would have moved to Florida,
- 8:08Speaker 2: but it's become so darn Republican. I'm like, ah, it's
- 8:11Speaker 2: like slipping into a warm bath every time I hear it.
- 8:14Speaker 1: I love it.
- 8:15Speaker 2: But yes, that is a thing that we want. We
- 8:17Speaker 2: don't want it to be close because then they start
- 8:19Speaker 2: to get ideas. We don't want them to Georgia or Florida. Sorry, Georgia,
- 8:24Speaker 2: you're going blue these days. And it's sad because you
- 8:27Speaker 2: should be a beautiful, a beautiful red state, the state
- 8:29Speaker 2: of Georgia. But Atlanta has become such a focus or
- 8:34Speaker 2: such a locus of political gravity that it's very hard
- 8:38Speaker 2: now for some of these candidates to be able to
- 8:40Speaker 2: punch through statewide. So all of that is going on.
- 8:43Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of last thing on Florida here, Clay,
- 8:46Speaker 2: Byron Donalds was talking to a transgender individual.
- 8:51Speaker 1: Yes, I saw this.
- 8:52Speaker 2: Sir, we just wanted you to hear how you don't
- 8:56Speaker 2: want to bring this kind of weak stuff into Byron's
- 8:58Speaker 2: house where you're trying to, you know. woman-splain or trans-splain
- 9:03Speaker 2: to him.
- 9:03Speaker 1: Here he is. This is cut three. Sir, as a
- 9:05Speaker 1: member of Congress. I'm not a sir, I'm a ma'am.
- 9:08Speaker 1: As a member of Congress, I voted to actually release
- 9:10Speaker 1: those files. Are you f * * * ing kidding me?
- 9:12Speaker 1: Are you.
- 9:14Speaker 7: F * * * ing kidding me?
- 9:16Speaker 1: What the f * * * is wrong with you?
- 9:19Speaker 1: I'm listening to the boys and I hear a sound.
- 9:21Speaker 1: What the f * * * is wrong with you?
- 9:23Speaker 4: You don't see the rest of me, right?
- 9:25Speaker 1: You see a woman there.
- 9:26Speaker 3: What the f * * * is wrong with you?
- 9:29Speaker 1: I said, where is the trans agenda? Sir, we are
- 9:32Speaker 1: going to make sure again.
- 9:34Speaker 3: Okay, man.
- 9:36Speaker 4: That's enough.
- 9:37Speaker 1: That's enough. You've belittled her enough. You've belittled her. Okay, just.
- 9:43Speaker 2: A plus, A plus future governor, Donald, because you're not
- 9:48Speaker 2: bending the knee to the non. He's being polite. They're
- 9:50Speaker 2: cursing at him. They're being hostile and antagonistic. They're making
- 9:55Speaker 2: demands that he live by their lie. He refuses to
- 9:59Speaker 2: do it, but he maintains. a totally cool composure. He
- 10:02Speaker 2: is polite, and he is living in reality. So he says,
- 10:05Speaker 2: excuse me, sir. He repeats the sir after he's shouted
- 10:09Speaker 2: at to call the him a her.
- 10:12Speaker 1: Love it. That's what the governor of Florida does. Keep
- 10:15Speaker 1: it polite. Keep it professional. Live in reality.
- 10:18Speaker 4: Yes.
- 10:18Speaker 3: And look, we're going to have a lot of battlegrounds.
- 10:23Speaker 3: Michigan is going to be super, super tight. Texas, we,
- 10:28Speaker 3: I think, have the biggest audience. Well, California, Texas, Florida,
- 10:31Speaker 3: huge populations. We got monster audiences in all those places.
- 10:35Speaker 3: Texans have to get out and they have to vote
- 10:37Speaker 3: because there are a bunch of different states where you
- 10:40Speaker 3: can look at and say, OK, Florida, we want all
- 10:43Speaker 3: you to run up the score. Steve Spurrier style, as
- 10:46Speaker 3: I just tweeted for all the former Florida Gators out there.
- 10:49Speaker 3: You want to post the number. And the reason you
- 10:52Speaker 3: want to post the number is not only down ballot.
- 10:54Speaker 3: You want Democrats to just say we're not even going
- 10:56Speaker 3: to try and compete in that state.
- 10:58Speaker 6: Right.
- 10:58Speaker 3: My state of Tennessee. I don't think that Democrats spend
- 11:02Speaker 3: any money to compete nationwide. statewide because they know that
- 11:06Speaker 3: they have no chance to win, uh, in my state.
- 11:10Speaker 3: You want to send that message that this is not
- 11:13Speaker 3: territory that you come and spend your money in. We're
- 11:16Speaker 3: going to keep running up the score and let you
- 11:19Speaker 3: know that you're wasting hundreds of millions of dollars every
- 11:22Speaker 3: time you come in here and spend, um, But my goodness,
- 11:26Speaker 3: it's going to be close a lot of different places, Buck.
- 11:29Speaker 3: And we will just have to see how the turnout
- 11:33Speaker 3: operation works. Michigan is the one that I would continue
- 11:36Speaker 3: to star. If you wanted me to point to a state,
- 11:39Speaker 3: and I've done it before, and you said, okay, Clay,
- 11:41Speaker 3: all these numbers are good.
- 11:42Speaker 1: You're telling us good, positive information. Where are you nervous? Ohio.
- 11:47Speaker 3: We've been number one at different times in Cleveland, Columbus,
- 11:50Speaker 3: and Cincinnati. So we've got a lot of people in
- 11:53Speaker 3: Ohio listening. I am very nervous about what's going on
- 11:56Speaker 3: in Ohio. We need all the Ohioans to be showing
- 12:00Speaker 3: up in big numbers. This is a state that Trump
- 12:02Speaker 3: won by 11 points in 2024. It is not a
- 12:05Speaker 3: swing state. We should not have close races here. The
- 12:09Speaker 3: governor's race with Vivek Ramaswamy, the Senate race with John Husted.
- 12:14Speaker 3: These are big, important, significant, massive elections going on in
- 12:19Speaker 3: the state of Ohio that we need to be 100 percent.
- 12:24Speaker 3: on top of before all is said and done. Again, Buck,
- 12:28Speaker 3: the data we just played, 15 out of 16 times,
- 12:31Speaker 3: going all the way back to 1994, in a, I think,
- 12:34Speaker 3: concerted attempt to tamp down Republican turnout, the polls have
- 12:39Speaker 3: all said Republicans are going to do worse than they
- 12:42Speaker 3: actually are. Only one time has that not been the case.
- 12:45Speaker 2: 15 out of 16 is broken clock being right one-time territory, right?
- 12:51Speaker 2: Meaning that They are absolutely doing suppression work on behalf
- 12:55Speaker 2: of the Democrats. If they always get it wrong in
- 12:58Speaker 2: the same direction, it's not an accident. It's it's an intent.
- 13:02Speaker 2: And that is what you see. And we've been saying
- 13:03Speaker 2: that all along on Ohio. All I can say is
- 13:07Speaker 2: Ohioans go vote because you may be the difference for
- 13:10Speaker 2: the Senate. Go vote because.
- 13:14Speaker 1: We need you.
- 13:16Speaker 2: In terms of the way that some of that campaign is,
- 13:19Speaker 2: you know what, I have not when you got nothing
- 13:21Speaker 2: to say that's constructive other than go vote.
- 13:24Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to do.
- 13:25Speaker 2: I have nothing to say that right now is constructive
- 13:27Speaker 2: about the way the campaign has been run in Ohio
- 13:29Speaker 2: for governor. But I will say, go vote, vote for Vivek, vote,
- 13:34Speaker 2: vote for Husted and and get this get this done, guys.
- 13:38Speaker 2: Make sure that we deliver a couple of wins here
- 13:42Speaker 2: because it could actually come down to Ohio, Clay.
- 13:46Speaker 1: And Alaska.
- 13:47Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of states out there where
- 13:49Speaker 3: I think we could be counting ballots for some time
- 13:52Speaker 3: to see.
- 13:53Speaker 2: What exactly is going to happen. On Alaska, we should
- 13:56Speaker 2: come back and talk. Because the Attorney General and Dana
- 13:58Speaker 2: Bash were going back and forth. So you have, like,
- 14:01Speaker 2: the Attorney General, lawyer, guy who knows the law, and
- 14:03Speaker 2: then you have Dana Bash going back and forth on
- 14:06Speaker 2: the Constitution and the situation of the Alaska spoiler candidate.
- 14:11Speaker 1: And it's interesting because... I well, let's talk about it.
- 14:15Speaker 3: Let's also point this out before we even talk about
- 14:17Speaker 3: Dana Bash. Have you ever seen Dana Bash go viral
- 14:20Speaker 3: arguing with Democrats?
- 14:22Speaker 1: No, of course not.
- 14:23Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 14:24Speaker 3: I mean, if you were a truly unbiased jerk of
- 14:28Speaker 3: a reporter who sometimes got into it with people in
- 14:30Speaker 3: contentious ways on interviews, there would be a lot of
- 14:34Speaker 3: these viral Dana Bash with Democrats, which do not, in fact, exist.
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- 15:41Speaker 3: Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. We are rolling through
- 15:45Speaker 3: the Monday edition of the program. Enos Cantor is going
- 15:48Speaker 3: to be in studio with us. He was kicked out
- 15:50Speaker 3: of a WNBA game again as WNBA tries to determine
- 15:57Speaker 3: what is and is not a woman.
- 15:59Speaker 1: This is exciting. It's going to be great content. I'm
- 16:01Speaker 1: looking forward to the interview, Clay. However.
- 16:03Speaker 2: you have a basketball hoop at your house. You need
- 16:06Speaker 2: to take Enos and say, you need to have a,
- 16:09Speaker 2: you know what? Have a good ranchers steak bet box
- 16:13Speaker 2: with him, play a game of horse on video. He
- 16:17Speaker 2: has to play left-handed and cannot dunk or do layups.
- 16:23Speaker 2: And you are going to play horse against Enos Cantor.
- 16:25Speaker 2: He has to shoot lefty.
- 16:26Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think this will be tight.
- 16:28Speaker 1: We had him.
- 16:29Speaker 3: He dunked on my outdoor basketball goal, um, We had
- 16:33Speaker 3: him here like a month ago, and the video is
- 16:35Speaker 3: a long-form interview.
- 16:36Speaker 1: Maybe it was three weeks ago.
- 16:37Speaker 3: Something like that is up on the Clay and Buck
- 16:40Speaker 3: YouTube page.
- 16:42Speaker 2: I think you could take him left-handed is my point.
- 16:43Speaker 1: I think you're going to get a good rancher's steak
- 16:45Speaker 1: bet box.
- 16:46Speaker 4: Out of this.
- 16:47Speaker 3: I think he's going to be campaigning, so I'm not
- 16:49Speaker 3: sure we have the time to do this today. But
- 16:50Speaker 3: I do like the idea, and we do have to
- 16:52Speaker 3: have the challenge.
- 16:53Speaker 1: Dr.
- 16:53Speaker 3: Oz is going to join us, and a White House
- 16:57Speaker 3: correspondent for The Daily Wire, Mary Margaret Olihan. All that
- 17:01Speaker 3: still coming your way. Also, Buck, I want to play
- 17:04Speaker 3: some of the audio. Did you see that the Bend,
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- 17:09Speaker 4: Amazing.
- 17:10Speaker 3: Has now told his story, and I was listening to
- 17:13Speaker 3: that audio, and it is riveting, and I don't know
- 17:16Speaker 3: how much of this audience has heard it.
- 17:18Speaker 1: Obviously, we would love to have him on as well.
- 17:20Speaker 3: I don't have any idea if he's a listener or not,
- 17:23Speaker 3: but his story was so good.
- 17:25Speaker 1: Do you want to come back and take a break
- 17:26Speaker 1: from politics and talk about that? Yeah, let's play that
- 17:29Speaker 1: when we come back.
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- 17:33Speaker 2: and by the way, it is exactly what we said.
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- 18:53Speaker 2: back in to Clay and Buck. So we're taking a
- 18:56Speaker 2: quick moment here to follow up on a story we
- 18:59Speaker 2: told you about... from last week. It was on October, well,
- 19:04Speaker 2: a little more than a week, October 15th, 2026, Silver
- 19:08Speaker 2: Rail Elementary School in Bend, Oregon. A former special education
- 19:14Speaker 2: student at the school decided to go to his school
- 19:17Speaker 2: with a shotgun and try to shoot as many children
- 19:22Speaker 2: and teachers as he could. He blasted through the locked doors.
- 19:26Speaker 2: And by the way, these are important. It's not just
- 19:28Speaker 2: about Giving the hero here his due, which we will shortly. But, Clay,
- 19:32Speaker 2: I think it's also important to really have everyone understand
- 19:36Speaker 2: what security features worked and what didn't. What matters in
- 19:41Speaker 2: this situation to save lives and to protect children who
- 19:44Speaker 2: are helpless and what does not matter. And people say
- 19:48Speaker 2: things like, oh, we're just going now. i understand lock
- 19:50Speaker 2: is not the only thing but just having locked doors
- 19:52Speaker 2: on the school the guy came up and blasted it
- 19:56Speaker 2: and now it's an open door it took one second
- 19:59Speaker 2: didn't slow him down at all so this this mass
- 20:03Speaker 2: shooter um who we will not name killed three children
- 20:06Speaker 2: and a 25 year old teacher and education assistant He
- 20:10Speaker 2: also wounded a seven-year-old and a 54-year-old teacher. He had
- 20:14Speaker 2: already fired about 15 rounds when he was engaged here
- 20:20Speaker 2: by the good guy, by the hero. And for anyone
- 20:23Speaker 2: who was wondering, he had dozens more rounds on his
- 20:26Speaker 2: person when he was stopped. That is when Caleb Giammanco,
- 20:32Speaker 2: 36-year-old carpenter and father of two daughters at the school,
- 20:38Speaker 2: he was driving home For lunch, after dropping his girls
- 20:43Speaker 2: off for picture day, he saw a man in black
- 20:47Speaker 2: firing at a red pickup and a woman mowing the lawn,
- 20:50Speaker 2: then watched him throw the shotgun over the fence and
- 20:53Speaker 2: climb in. Giammanco grabbed his legally owned. 40 caliber pistol
- 20:59Speaker 2: from his center console of his car, loaded it, called
- 21:02Speaker 2: 911 and told the dispatcher, I'm sorry, I have to
- 21:05Speaker 2: go in. People are going to die. He jumped the fence.
- 21:09Speaker 2: Army crawled through a shot-out window while hearing children pleading
- 21:13Speaker 2: for their lives and entered the special ed classroom just
- 21:18Speaker 2: as an unnamed teacher.
- 21:19Speaker 1: By the way, two.
- 21:20Speaker 2: Heroes here in this story. An unnamed teacher threw her
- 21:24Speaker 2: phone at the shooter and was wrestling him for the gun.
- 21:27Speaker 2: Giammanco swung the door open, fired, and.
- 21:33Speaker 1: Dropped... And took out the threat. He killed the shooter.
- 21:37Speaker 3: Shot him once and then he was rolling over trying
- 21:40Speaker 3: to guy shot and he followed up, shot him two
- 21:42Speaker 3: more times. And then importantly, Buck, this has also been
- 21:45Speaker 3: an issue sometimes when good guys with guns show up.
- 21:48Speaker 3: He had neutralized the threat, dropped his own gun. And
- 21:52Speaker 3: when the police arrived, one of the dangers is they
- 21:55Speaker 3: think you're the shooter.
- 21:57Speaker 1: Right. And the over eager threat.
- 21:59Speaker 3: You can see how that could occur where somebody comes
- 22:02Speaker 3: running in knowing that kids are being shot, sees a
- 22:04Speaker 3: grown man. You want to get the gun back down
- 22:08Speaker 3: on the ground.
- 22:08Speaker 1: You're unarmed.
- 22:10Speaker 3: He identified himself, and he is the hero. We have
- 22:13Speaker 3: audio now. Yeah, let's let Caleb Giamonco, the hero here.
- 22:17Speaker 3: But I want to know, that teacher, I mean, yeah,
- 22:20Speaker 3: there was survival instinct there, but there was love for
- 22:23Speaker 3: her students and a protective instinct kick in. I believe
- 22:26Speaker 3: it was a female teacher. who just ran at the
- 22:29Speaker 3: shooter and was wrestling him for the gun, which gave
- 22:33Speaker 3: him the key. So let's hear from Caleb. He had
- 22:35Speaker 3: 42 more rounds left when he was taken out by
- 22:38Speaker 3: this guy, Buck. So you can imagine, 42 rounds in
- 22:41Speaker 3: an elementary school, three minutes before the police can even
- 22:45Speaker 3: get there. Anyway, here is Caleb Giamonco, hero, telling his story.
- 22:49Speaker 1: Cut 26.
- 22:50Speaker 4: The teacher that was, you know, wrestling with the gun,
- 22:54Speaker 4: with the gunman, I want to, recognize her. She gave
- 22:59Speaker 4: me the opportunity to make my shot without losing my life.
- 23:04Speaker 4: Without her and that little spur of the moment delay,
- 23:09Speaker 4: I very much feel like I would have been facing
- 23:11Speaker 4: the shooter head on and we could have both died.
- 23:14Speaker 4: That's a real true hero to not have a weapon
- 23:17Speaker 4: and to put yourself in between your babies and a firearm.
- 23:24Speaker 2: Clay, you can hear from him too in his voice.
- 23:26Speaker 2: He's he's really shaken up by this whole thing, even
- 23:31Speaker 2: though he is the hero, no question about it in
- 23:33Speaker 2: the situation. The fact that he even had to take
- 23:35Speaker 2: a life. This has cut 26 guys. Play this one.
- 23:37Speaker 4: The gunman had thrown his rifle up and over the fence,
- 23:41Speaker 4: and that's when panic fled into my brain, and I
- 23:43Speaker 4: was just, that's when I opened my center console and
- 23:46Speaker 4: I just said, no, no, no, no, no. And I
- 23:49Speaker 4: grabbed my gun, and I put the magazine in it,
- 23:52Speaker 4: and then I proceeded into the parking lot. I told
- 23:55Speaker 4: my Siri to call 911. And I hopped over the fence.
- 24:00Speaker 4: I started hearing children pleading for their lives. And then
- 24:03Speaker 4: I started hearing gunfire. And that's when I crawled through
- 24:06Speaker 4: the bottom window that was shot out, continued on to
- 24:09Speaker 4: the rug inside where there's a little breezeway with stairs.
- 24:12Speaker 4: And then the special needs classroom was to my left.
- 24:14Speaker 1: And at this point, I found my opportunity.
- 24:17Speaker 4: And I seen a teacher on the left struggling with
- 24:22Speaker 4: the gunman on the right with the rifle. And so
- 24:24Speaker 4: at that point, I swung the door out and open,
- 24:27Speaker 4: and I stepped in, and I fired, and they dropped
- 24:29Speaker 4: to the ground, and the teacher sprang out of the building.
- 24:33Speaker 1: Amazing, Clay, that this is how it went down.
- 24:37Speaker 2: And the fact, I mean, that this guy, to just
- 24:40Speaker 2: put it in context for everybody, I think to really
- 24:42Speaker 2: bring it home, there are about a dozen, I would assume,
- 24:48Speaker 2: based on the way these things tend to go, maybe
- 24:50Speaker 2: several dozen families.
- 24:52Speaker 1: Families. who have their little one at home tonight, safe
- 24:55Speaker 1: and sound, because of this guy. Yeah, Buck, and a
- 25:01Speaker 1: couple of other details here.
- 25:02Speaker 3: He was planning on eating lunch at his work site.
- 25:07Speaker 3: He's a carpenter in Bend, Oregon, and evidently had to
- 25:11Speaker 3: go buy some more materials. So he was going to
- 25:14Speaker 3: be back close to home, called his wife and said, hey,
- 25:17Speaker 3: I'm coming home. Warm up the tacos from last night.
- 25:20Speaker 3: I'm coming home to eat lunch. And on his way,
- 25:24Speaker 3: he happened to be driving back by the the the
- 25:29Speaker 3: school saw all of this. He shouldn't have been there
- 25:32Speaker 3: based on his schedule that day. And I think it's
- 25:36Speaker 3: important to contrast a couple of things here. The Uvalde
- 25:41Speaker 3: police department and the way they responded to the shooting
- 25:45Speaker 3: compared to this dad.
- 25:47Speaker 1: Night and day. He heard the gunshots. He took his weapon.
- 25:52Speaker 1: He ran in. No, no flak vest on.
- 25:56Speaker 3: He says in that interview that he fully expected that
- 25:58Speaker 3: he would probably die and he made the choice to
- 26:01Speaker 3: go anyway. Again, this is a I think he's 36
- 26:05Speaker 3: year old carpenter with a couple of daughters at that school.
- 26:08Speaker 3: He went in expecting that he might not come back
- 26:11Speaker 3: out of there. This is not his job. This is
- 26:13Speaker 3: just the personification, I think, of a good guy with
- 26:17Speaker 3: a gun. Second thing I would point out here, and
- 26:20Speaker 3: you don't hear this argument now, reminder that we are
- 26:24Speaker 3: right now in the midst of the lowest murder rate
- 26:27Speaker 3: in the history of the United States. We also simultaneously
- 26:32Speaker 3: have more firearms in individual private ownership than has ever
- 26:36Speaker 3: existed in the history of the United States. For a
- 26:39Speaker 3: long time, Buck, and I'm sure you've seen it, They
- 26:42Speaker 3: would share the data on murders and they would point out, hey,
- 26:46Speaker 3: the number of guns that are available in the United
- 26:48Speaker 3: States and the murder rate. I haven't seen at all
- 26:51Speaker 3: a graph where these would diverge. Maybe we can do
- 26:54Speaker 3: it on our social media where there's got to be, what,
- 26:58Speaker 3: 200 million guns in private hands, something like that. And
- 27:01Speaker 3: at the same time, a record high, at the same time,
- 27:05Speaker 3: we now have the lowest rate of violent crime because
- 27:08Speaker 3: Democrats have tried to say they always say gun violence.
- 27:11Speaker 3: They don't point out the person pulling the trigger committing
- 27:14Speaker 3: the crime. And you've pointed out on the show a
- 27:15Speaker 3: bunch of times, Buck, that licensed gun owners actually have
- 27:19Speaker 3: much lower rates of violent crime than non-gun owners who
- 27:23Speaker 3: are licensed.
- 27:25Speaker 2: Well, there's this statistic that really brings it home is
- 27:28Speaker 2: per capita concealed carry permit holders are more law-abiding than
- 27:31Speaker 2: law enforcement. And law enforcement is pretty darn law-abiding in
- 27:33Speaker 2: this country. So that tells you something. And Clay, one
- 27:36Speaker 2: of the, I think it's important to look at what,
- 27:40Speaker 2: The people that are in favor of gun-free zones in schools,
- 27:46Speaker 2: the people that don't want law-abiding citizens to be able
- 27:49Speaker 2: to carry, the people who say, oh, we just need
- 27:53Speaker 2: to lock the doors, you know, what do they offer
- 27:56Speaker 2: that would have stopped this guy?
- 27:58Speaker 1: Nothing.
- 28:00Speaker 2: Nothing that they talk, nothing that Chuck Schumer, nothing that,
- 28:03Speaker 2: you know, Barack Obama or Joe Biden or name your
- 28:07Speaker 2: marquee Democrat, nothing that they talk about after a school shooting.
- 28:10Speaker 2: would have done anything to stop this massacre from happening. Now,
- 28:16Speaker 2: I understand there were a few lives lost, the point
- 28:18Speaker 2: which is a terrible tragedy, but there would have been,
- 28:22Speaker 2: this would have been 30, 40, 50 casualties in that school.
- 28:25Speaker 2: I mean, that's just, you just know, based on the timeline,
- 28:28Speaker 2: there's nobody else there who can stop him.
- 28:30Speaker 1: He's armed.
- 28:31Speaker 2: Nobody else is armed. It's a gun-free zone, which is
- 28:34Speaker 2: the most moronic of all the gun policies, perhaps, the
- 28:37Speaker 2: notion of the gun-free zone.
- 28:39Speaker 7: So.
- 28:40Speaker 2: Clay, I think that this is one of the reasons
- 28:42Speaker 2: why the story isn't getting more national attention because this
- 28:45Speaker 2: is clearly the– I really think also that teacher deserves
- 28:50Speaker 2: a ton of credit for stepping up and saving lives
- 28:53Speaker 2: there too. And it's one thing to go in there
- 28:56Speaker 2: with a firearm. At least you've got a shot. I'd
- 28:57Speaker 2: also point out anybody who knows firearms, you're in close quarters.
- 29:00Speaker 2: Someone's got a 12-gauge. You've got a pistol. You'd rather
- 29:03Speaker 2: have the 12-gauge. So I think most people would feel
- 29:06Speaker 2: that way. And so he's a little bit outgunned going
- 29:08Speaker 2: in there. and he still went in, but that teacher
- 29:12Speaker 2: going hand-to-hand with that shooter to stop him clearly saved lives.
- 29:17Speaker 2: So it's just an amazing story of heroism from the
- 29:21Speaker 2: Caleb Giamonco perspective. He felt bad about taking the life, too.
- 29:25Speaker 2: It was very clear from taking the life of the shooter,
- 29:27Speaker 2: and that's a very human emotion. It was absolutely the
- 29:30Speaker 2: right thing to do. He could not have been more justified.
- 29:32Speaker 2: He's truly a hero for doing so, but there's still
- 29:35Speaker 2: that recognition that you've taken a life even to save lives.
- 29:39Speaker 2: That can be a hard thing for someone to process.
- 29:41Speaker 2: I know this from guys in the military. The first
- 29:43Speaker 2: time they kill somebody, even if it's a completely valid
- 29:48Speaker 2: military target, it can be a difficult thing. I've never
- 29:54Speaker 2: experienced it, obviously, but I have friends and I know
- 29:56Speaker 2: people quite well who have. Clay, I would also just
- 29:59Speaker 2: say you mentioned the number of guns in private hands.
- 30:02Speaker 2: One of the great gun grabber and I say kind
- 30:05Speaker 2: of great in quotes. One of the things you hear
- 30:06Speaker 2: from gun grabbers all the time is that after a
- 30:08Speaker 2: mass shooting in Tasmania, an island off of Australia, best
- 30:11Speaker 2: known for the Tasmanian devil, an island off Australia, there's
- 30:15Speaker 2: a horrible shooting there that happened. And then Australia did
- 30:17Speaker 2: a mandatory buyback program, which is just confiscation with compensation.
- 30:22Speaker 2: And for years and years and years, decades, you'd hear, see,
- 30:25Speaker 2: violence is going down in Australia. There's fewer murders in
- 30:28Speaker 2: Australia because, you know what? There are fewer murders there
- 30:32Speaker 2: now than there were then. There are far more guns
- 30:35Speaker 2: in private hands in Australia than there were before the buyback.
- 30:40Speaker 2: So there's a lot more guns. It actually has nothing
- 30:41Speaker 2: to do with the drop in violence there. And there's
- 30:43Speaker 2: the same thing here, too. Places where they have concealed carry,
- 30:46Speaker 2: violent crime goes down.
- 30:49Speaker 3: But we wanted to shine a light on this guy
- 30:51Speaker 3: because I do think it's a great story. There are
- 30:54Speaker 3: many parents out there. Maybe at some point you find
- 30:58Speaker 3: yourself in a situation where you need to be protecting people.
- 31:02Speaker 3: And you used to hear for a long time, where
- 31:05Speaker 3: are all the good guys with guns? There's a lot
- 31:08Speaker 3: of good guys with guns suddenly. We mentioned it, the
- 31:11Speaker 3: shooting at the mall in Indiana, the shooting in Idaho
- 31:15Speaker 3: at a fast food restaurant, the shooting now at the
- 31:19Speaker 3: school in Bend, Oregon. I'm sure there are many more,
- 31:22Speaker 3: but those are three very recent vintage would-be mass shooters
- 31:27Speaker 3: being either taken out or having their ability to continue
- 31:31Speaker 3: that mass shooting ended by people who are not professionals,
- 31:35Speaker 3: just good guys with guns.
- 31:36Speaker 2: I don't mean this as mockery.
- 31:39Speaker 1: I'm not making light of it at all. But I
- 31:40Speaker 1: really it's true.
- 31:42Speaker 2: You've never once heard of a school shooter or a
- 31:47Speaker 2: mass shooter who said, you know, I was going to
- 31:49Speaker 2: do the shooting in this place, but I heard it
- 31:51Speaker 2: was a gun free zone.
- 31:53Speaker 1: So I didn't.
- 31:54Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 31:57Speaker 2: I mean, that is think about this, that the policies
- 31:59Speaker 2: in place to prevent these kinds of shootings never in
- 32:03Speaker 2: history has anyone said I was going to do the
- 32:06Speaker 2: school shooting. But then I found out it was a
- 32:08Speaker 2: gun free zone.
- 32:10Speaker 1: So what is that?
- 32:11Speaker 2: What is the conceivable reason for that policy to be
- 32:14Speaker 2: in place then? to stop somebody like Caleb Giamonco maybe
- 32:18Speaker 2: from being nearby and able to intervene. There's no other
- 32:21Speaker 2: realistic outcome there. And it's just, you know, people have
- 32:26Speaker 2: been trained, unfortunately, in this country to think of guns
- 32:28Speaker 2: as purely a political wedge issue and not get into
- 32:34Speaker 2: the reality of the Second Amendment and what it means
- 32:36Speaker 2: to carry and what law-abiding gun owners do for our
- 32:39Speaker 2: society and how they make us all safer. If you
- 32:41Speaker 2: go around New York City, people don't want to hear
- 32:43Speaker 2: that argument. I knew cops in New York. Cops.
- 32:45Speaker 4: Cops.
- 32:46Speaker 2: Not a lot of them, but some of them who
- 32:47Speaker 2: didn't like that argument either. And I was like, well, yeah,
- 32:49Speaker 2: because you get to carry a gun. You feel fine.
- 32:51Speaker 1: You know, I was reading and we go to break here.
- 32:53Speaker 3: Speaking of New York City, that the rate of crime
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- 33:01Speaker 3: be very safe in the midtown areas of New York
- 33:04Speaker 3: have actually gone up quite a lot. And that many people,
- 33:10Speaker 3: you know, you had the stabbing in Times Square, you
- 33:12Speaker 3: had the shooting at the. I think Midtown subway stop recently,
- 33:19Speaker 3: a lot of people are starting to ask in neighborhoods
- 33:21Speaker 3: where they had traditionally felt safe, what in the world
- 33:24Speaker 3: is going on here? And I bet many of you
- 33:27Speaker 3: in our WOR listenership have maybe felt that a bit
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- 33:34Speaker 3: according to some of the data, that is the rate
- 33:36Speaker 3: of violent crime just in that particular area and during
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- 35:10Speaker 7: Level up your brain and balance out your day with
- 35:13Speaker 7: the right amount of information and entertainment. Clay Travis and
- 35:17Speaker 7: Buck Sexton on the iHeartRadio app.
- 35:20Speaker 1: Or wherever you get your podcasts.
- 35:22Speaker 3: Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. We got a bunch
- 35:24Speaker 3: of you who want to weigh in on calls. Just
- 35:26Speaker 3: a heads up, Enos Cancer Freedom scheduled to be with
- 35:29Speaker 3: us top of the next hour.
- 35:30Speaker 1: Dr. Oz, Mary Margaret Olihan. Let's see. We got a bunch.
- 35:36Speaker 3: Matt in Oklahoma, you want to... weigh in on the
- 35:40Speaker 3: shooting at the school?
- 35:42Speaker 7: Yes, sir.
- 35:43Speaker 6: Thank you for taking my call. I think we have
- 35:46Speaker 6: allowed idiots to make laws for us that we have
- 35:50Speaker 6: to live by, and we can see where that has
- 35:52Speaker 6: gotten us with all of the school shootings ever since Columbine.
- 35:57Speaker 6: After Columbine, they said they were going to do something
- 35:59Speaker 6: about all of the school bullies. Well, I can let
- 36:02Speaker 6: you know that that is not the case. My sister's
- 36:05Speaker 6: a school teacher in Texas, and... They still haven't done
- 36:09Speaker 6: anything about bullying within the schools.
- 36:13Speaker 1: Thank you for the call, Matt. We need arms.
- 36:15Speaker 3: My argument here, arms security, every school. My kids have
- 36:19Speaker 3: had it. I think every kid should have that opportunity
- 36:22Speaker 3: in school.
- 36:23Speaker 2: This is good guy or gal with a gun. That's it.
- 36:28Speaker 2: Good guy with a gun is the only thing that
- 36:29Speaker 2: stops bad guy with a gun in these situations. If
- 36:31Speaker 2: you want to pay them, that's great, but you need that.
- 36:35Speaker 4: Amen.
- 36:36Speaker 3: Amen. All right, we come back. Well, Richie, five seconds.
- 36:39Speaker 3: We don't have time. Richie, we'll get to you at
- 36:41Speaker 3: the top of the next hour. This is the Clayton
- 36:44Speaker 3: Buck Show. Enos Cantor Freedom scheduled with us next as
- 36:47Speaker 3: we roll through eight days from midterm.