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Eagles Players Who Need To Elevate Their Game (PST Episode 677) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest
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Speaker 1: running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, over
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Speaker 1: thirteen years strong. We got a great show coming your
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Speaker 1: way this week. I am Jeff Warren. Good to see
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Speaker 1: my good friend Len Huntsiger. Have been a little while here, Len.
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Speaker 1: How you doing, buddy?
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Speaker 2: It has I'm doing all right. It's been a good
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks for you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been all right. Look, you know, uh, there's
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Speaker 1: always work going on. There's family stuff going on. It's
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Speaker 1: a slog I know. You know that. I mean, for
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Speaker 1: God's sake, you know you've got you've got a lot
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Speaker 1: of interesting stuff going on at your job. I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna say it over.
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Speaker 2: The text message.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, there's a lot. There's you know what, There's
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Speaker 1: a there's a lot of ridiculous folks in this world,
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Speaker 1: aren't there.
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Speaker 2: World's full of personalities. Absolutely, I can tell you that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, This Philly sports scene is full of personalities
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Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff going on. And we got
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Speaker 1: a great show coming to you this week. Because the
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Speaker 1: agenda is fantastic. We're gonna be getting first into a
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Speaker 1: decision that was made by Major League Baseball that bans
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Speaker 1: ai in the dugout. Yes, this has been going on
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Speaker 1: for a bit here. Major League Baseball wants to quote
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Speaker 1: get out in front of it. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: they're necessarily doing that, but there is a ban of
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Speaker 1: ai in the dugout. We're going to dive into that
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Speaker 1: Trey Turner, the Trey Turner conundrum. My gosh, his defense
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Speaker 1: is horrendous in the batter's box. He has been fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Glenn and I are going to certainly dive into Trey
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Speaker 1: Turner and what he's been to this Phillies team. And
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Speaker 1: then the Philadelphia Flyers extended Trevor Zegres and Jamie Drysdale.
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Speaker 1: They are now part of a core that is expected
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Speaker 1: to take that next leap to help this team compete
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Speaker 1: for a Stanley Cup at some point in the future.
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Speaker 1: We're going to get into that and what we are
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Speaker 1: thrown down on the table. This week, We've got Johnny
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Speaker 1: Page from Bleedinggreen Nation dot com and host of the
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Speaker 1: on the Shane Page podcast over at the Eagles Pinpool Network.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be joining us for him over in
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Speaker 1: England to talk about this upcoming Eagles season. So Len,
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Speaker 1: let's get into this first storyline real quick, because well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess it's gonna be real quick
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Speaker 1: just because of our time constraints. But Major League Baseball
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Speaker 1: has decided no AI, no generative AI in the dugout.
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Speaker 1: Apparently teams have been really making decisions in the dugout.
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Speaker 1: Managers have been making the decisions with regard to pitching
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Speaker 1: and just different aspects of the game and especially in
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Speaker 1: game as it pertains to you know AI, So just
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Speaker 1: really quick. Major League Baseball allowed teams to have iPads
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Speaker 1: in their dugouts starting in twenty sixteen. In twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: they added a new feature that allowed players to watch
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Speaker 1: live in game video from the dugout. However, the footage
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Speaker 1: could only be viewed one inning after there was a
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Speaker 1: one inning delay. And since then, Major League Baseball they've
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Speaker 1: been a little lax in terms of you know what
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Speaker 1: could and could not be accessed on these iPads, but
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Speaker 1: they have not allowed for social media other type of
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Speaker 1: streaming over the years. But when it came to generative AI,
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Speaker 1: apparently teams were really trying to put some some models
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Speaker 1: into AI to see what type of in game decision
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Speaker 1: making should be done when and I think this is
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Speaker 1: a great idea by Major League Baseball. Major League Baseball
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Speaker 1: usually doesn't have too many good ideas, but I actually
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Speaker 1: think this is a pretty damn good idea by them
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Speaker 1: to say, no, we don't want AI making the decisions
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Speaker 1: for managers, making the decisions for pitchers and catchers at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day on how this game is
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Speaker 1: going to end up going and evolving too. So I
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Speaker 1: think there's actually a good decision. What are your thoughts here?
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Speaker 2: I agree?
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Speaker 3: And also just from a standpoint of you know, just
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Speaker 3: the managers, because you look at what you know the
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Speaker 3: AI is doing. You know, it's recommending substitutions, it's recommending
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Speaker 3: pitch calling other end game decisions. So if you're a manager,
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Speaker 3: to borrow a line from office space, what is it
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Speaker 3: you'd say you do here? Because this jenitor of AI
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Speaker 3: can do all the task that a manager you know
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Speaker 3: is basically other than you know, managing personalities, I guess,
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Speaker 3: but you know, I'm how far are we from robot
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Speaker 3: managers at that point? If I was a manager, I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't want this stuff anywhere near my dugout because hey,
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Speaker 3: if it does too well, well, okay, what are you doing?
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Speaker 2: Here then, So.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I have a whole lot of other
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Speaker 3: non baseball thoughts on AI. I'm let's just say, I'm
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Speaker 3: not very positive on it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think many of us folks are. I really don't.
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Speaker 1: I really don't know a lot of people who think
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Speaker 1: AI is a good thing that has been.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do, someday the American working man won't.
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Speaker 2: That's her damn sure. But you know that's just me. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I if I honestly, I guess.
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Speaker 3: If you're an analytics apartment, you know you're you're trying
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Speaker 3: to utilize more of this technology. But yeah, if I
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Speaker 3: was a manager or anybody in any kind of decision
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Speaker 3: making capacity in that dugout, I would be like, no,
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Speaker 3: I don't want this thing, you know, basically doing my
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Speaker 3: job for me, second guessing me. So the fact that
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Speaker 3: it was in there, I mean, you know, I get it.
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Speaker 3: You know, the supporters of AI are gonna say, oh,
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Speaker 3: it's a tool.
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Speaker 2: You utilize this tool, and it's helpful and all that stuff.
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Speaker 3: But you know, at a certain point, if it's if
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Speaker 3: the decisions it's making are consistently good.
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Speaker 2: You know, like I said, there's no need for you.
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Speaker 1: So look, I don't. I'm not. I'm not an AI
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Speaker 1: as the end all be all, and you know, it's
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Speaker 1: something that of course we're gonna end up talking about
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Speaker 1: at some point down the road. Do I think I
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Speaker 1: think it is going to change our workforce and how
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Speaker 1: everything in our lives moves forward. I actually don't think
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Speaker 1: it's the disaster necessarily that everybody thinks it's this conversation
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Speaker 1: for another time. But I think it could be the
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Speaker 1: disaster for sports in a lot of different ways. And
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Speaker 1: I'm really glad Major League Baseball has decided to do
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Speaker 1: this here because I think we've talked about this on
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Speaker 1: the show. You are a traditionalist when it comes to baseball,
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Speaker 1: baseball history, what the game has always been. I've always
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Speaker 1: been a you know, what, technology should be involved in sports.
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Speaker 1: Let's see what happens with this, this and this. I
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Speaker 1: think Major League Baseball has also done a really good
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Speaker 1: job with the technology with instant replay. I think that's
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Speaker 1: been effective. I think it's actually been good for the game, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Abs, I've got no problem with that. The
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Speaker 3: balls and strike calls, Yeah, zero problem with it at all.
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Speaker 3: So I don't want to be, you know, be like
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Speaker 3: I'm some guy from nineteen fifty two. You know I'm
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Speaker 3: talking about so with baseball. I mean, the ABS stuff
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Speaker 3: is great. Yeah, you know, it can be where it
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Speaker 3: can be used in certain places and it can really
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Speaker 3: help the game.
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Speaker 2: I just don't see how this is one of them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a time and a place for technology in sports.
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Speaker 1: Whether it's baseball, football, basketball, soccer, hockey, there is a
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Speaker 1: time and a place for it. Major League Baseball certainly
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Speaker 1: made the right decision here for sure. But moving along
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Speaker 1: in terms of baseball and this Phillies team, len last
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Speaker 1: week on the show, Eric and I were talking about
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Speaker 1: what the Phillies we're going to need to do the
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Speaker 1: second half of the season to remain relevant. Still three
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Speaker 1: games behind the Atlanta Braves here, but there's one particular
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Speaker 1: guy on this team that is enraging everybody and that
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Speaker 1: we also love at the same time. It is this
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Speaker 1: incredible conundrum, and it's Trey Turner. He has just been
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Speaker 1: so great in the box, but my god, his defense
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Speaker 1: has been horrendous and it's costing the team. And it's
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Speaker 1: a conundrum on what should be done with Trey Turner.
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Speaker 1: Because look, shortstops, that's where coaches and managers at virtually
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Speaker 1: every level of baseball basically put their best fielders. You know,
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Speaker 1: no one denies Trey Turner's athleticism. He's thirty three years old,
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Speaker 1: still one of the fastest players in the game. We
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Speaker 1: know he's two time batting champion. No one denies the
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Speaker 1: way that he hustles on the field before and during
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Speaker 1: every game. But I think it's time that we need
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Speaker 1: to be honest with ourselves here reevaluate what his defense
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Speaker 1: has done with this team and what Trey Turner's place
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Speaker 1: is within it here. So I don't know the thoughts
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Speaker 1: are possibly moving him to right field. I don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: know if that's an option, you know, given I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I just don't know if that's an option here, Like,
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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts here with this conundrum? Defense absolutely crap,
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Speaker 1: but offense just doing some great stuff that this team needs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's always been, you know, that kind
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Speaker 3: of guy. He's flashy, he's slick. The slides always look cool.
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Speaker 3: He's a very cool looking player. But you know, somewhere
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Speaker 3: I think in that you know, flash sometimes just the
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Speaker 3: simple plays get lost, Like he can make some really
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Speaker 3: cool looking plays and then the simple plays. He just
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's bored or whatever, but he
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Speaker 3: just boots stuff that he shouldn't boot. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: go back to twenty twenty three, he led the majors
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Speaker 3: with or Lee led shortstops I guess with twenty three
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Speaker 3: errs seventeen in twenty four, only eight in twenty five
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Speaker 3: in one hundred and thirty nine games. Sure, so far
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Speaker 3: he's leaving shortstops with fifteen errs. So he's kind of
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Speaker 3: doing it again. Yeah, and it wasn't. The weird thing
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Speaker 3: is it didn't seem to be if you go through
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Speaker 3: his defensive statf on Baseball Reference, the metrics didn't look
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Speaker 3: that bad prior to coming to Philadelphia.
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Speaker 2: And part of that could be an age thing. He's
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Speaker 2: still very athletic.
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Speaker 3: He's still one of the fastest players in Major League Baseball,
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Speaker 3: and maybe that's just straight line speed, but maybe you know,
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Speaker 3: it's only going to get.
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Speaker 2: Worse as time goes on.
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Speaker 3: He's thirty three now, maybe the mobility is going a
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Speaker 3: little bit, or it's just starting to go. Maybe then
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Speaker 3: that's gonna be something that you know only continues as
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Speaker 3: he gets older. And that's a tough thing about signing
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Speaker 3: guys to eleven year deals or whatever what have you.
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Speaker 3: Is that, Yeah, eventually they're gona end up in their
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Speaker 3: late thirties and they're gonna be on your team, and
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Speaker 3: what do you do with them?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, would he take a move to right field?
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Speaker 2: I don't know what about.
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Speaker 1: There's the idea about him and Bryson Stott actually swapping
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Speaker 1: as well. Mighty go to second base. I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: he may be resistant to a change of position. Many
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Speaker 1: veterans are, but I think we're getting to the tip
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Speaker 1: point here.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he has played second before. He played it
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Speaker 3: in d C in his rookie year, he played it
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Speaker 3: for a year in LA. He played some second base
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Speaker 3: as well. He played primarily second base when he was
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Speaker 3: in LA. That when he came over in the trade.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, so he's done it before. He has played
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Speaker 3: outfield before. I don't know if it was center or right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, his physical profile to me, would lend itself
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Speaker 3: to center field, because you got that speed. You know,
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Speaker 3: you can cover a lot of ground. But obviously centerfield
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Speaker 3: seems to be covered for the time being with the
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Speaker 3: guys they have. Right field is has been kind of
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Speaker 3: a black hole for quite some time. So if he
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Speaker 3: can go there and and be happy going there, yeah,
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Speaker 3: maybe that's a solution.
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Speaker 2: But you know that, I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the answers are because the answers
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Speaker 3: aren't trading him, because that contract, nobody's gonna take it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Don madding we would do something if he had
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Speaker 1: the answer, you know he would.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and you know that's you know, a turner,
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Speaker 3: like any professional athlete that's been performing at a high
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Speaker 3: level for a long amount of time, you know, has
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Speaker 3: his pride and you know you're gonna have to massage
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Speaker 3: that a little bit.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to have that conversation with him.
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Speaker 3: So that's for Don Manningly or whoever the manager is
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Speaker 3: next year, for them to do down the road and say,
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Speaker 3: you know, hey, you know you would be more helpful.
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Speaker 2: To the team here on the field, right wherever here
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Speaker 2: may be.
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Speaker 1: Right, all right, Well, with that being said.
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Speaker 3: Yeah I wish, I wish I had a good answer,
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, for right now, they're gonna have
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Speaker 3: to grin and beartt.
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Speaker 1: with that being said, we're going to take a break
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Speaker 1: and we get back going to get into some Flyers talk.
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Speaker 1: Danny Brier and company still getting stuff done during this offseason,
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Speaker 1: extending Trevor Zigres and Jamie Drysdale. Len and I are
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Speaker 1: going to dive into it. Stick with us, all right.
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Speaker 1: We are back and we need to get into some
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Speaker 1: more moves that have been made by this Philadelphia Flyers
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Speaker 1: front office. They have extended Trevor Zegres, Jamie Drysdale, and
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Speaker 1: as I mentioned at the top of the show, these
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Speaker 1: guys really are now part of that core that's expected
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Speaker 1: to take that next leap to help this team compete
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Speaker 1: for a Stanley Cup at some point down the road.
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Speaker 1: But just as a recap, in terms of Jamie Drysdale
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Speaker 1: four year contract extension twenty six million dollars and carries
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Speaker 1: the carries an average value annually of six point five
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Speaker 1: million dollars. Trevor Ziegres a four year contract extension thirty
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Speaker 1: six point five million dollars contract, and that's going to
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Speaker 1: be about an annual average value of nine point one
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Speaker 1: two five for the twenty five year old. Len was
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Speaker 1: very glad to see that these got done. When I
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Speaker 1: got the notifications on my phone that both Trevor Ziegres
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Speaker 1: and Jamie Drysdale have been extended, I was thinking to myself, Okay,
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Speaker 1: this Danny Breer is getting it done here, getting it done,
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Speaker 1: making sure that the core is going to be in place.
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Speaker 1: And sure there's going to need to be other moves
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Speaker 1: made at some point, who knows, maybe even during this season,
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Speaker 1: before a trade deadline next year. But I'm really looking
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Speaker 1: forward to what this team is becoming, what it may
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Speaker 1: become in for the twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven season.
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Speaker 1: Two key signings for the future here, I've it was
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Speaker 1: really great to see.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think either one of them was
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Speaker 3: necessarily unexpected. I mean, this was all housekeeping that I
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Speaker 3: think we all in flyers Land had kind of assumed that,
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Speaker 3: you know, Danny Breer was going to get done. I mean,
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Speaker 3: these were the two big ease on the list in
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Speaker 3: terms of extensions, making sure you were locking them up
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Speaker 3: them up, and if that's all it's going to be
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Speaker 3: this offseason, then you know, that was the last bit
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Speaker 3: of business that you had to tidy up before. You know,
15:13
Speaker 3: hockey tends to kind of really go dark from like
15:16
Speaker 3: beginning August until you know, training camp starts up, so
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Speaker 3: you know you'll have your your month where you're really
15:22
Speaker 3: not going to hear anything probably in the way of
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Speaker 3: hockey news. So I think this is this is probably
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Speaker 3: it for the Flyers. But I mean, you know, they're
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Speaker 3: both good deals. Drysdale has really you know, I got
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Speaker 3: to read an article and just see some of the
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Speaker 3: metrics in terms of how much he has improved defensively,
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Speaker 3: you know, and it's it's really impressive.
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Speaker 1: This year was incredible player. Yeah, yeah, the.
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Speaker 3: Player he was versus the player he became. And Zegre still,
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Speaker 3: to be honest with you, both of them became, you know,
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Speaker 3: more of two way players, you know, who can still
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Speaker 3: do pretty good things offensively Zegres in particular, but you know,
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Speaker 3: maybe maybe Drysdale kind of opens up a little bit
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Speaker 3: and his offense gets going a.
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Speaker 2: Little bit more.
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Speaker 3: I don't think Drysdale is you know, on a on
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Speaker 3: a championship level team. Is he a number one? Is
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Speaker 3: her first pairing defenseman? I don't know, but you know,
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Speaker 3: he's still a good player, and he's still a player
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Speaker 3: you need on this team even though he's not, you know,
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Speaker 3: a number one defenseman. Is either best defenseman maybe maybe him,
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Speaker 3: maybe Travis Sandheim. But yeah, it's it's moved that had
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Speaker 3: to be made, and I'm glad they made him. And
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Speaker 3: they're both relatively short term deals. I mean, you're looking
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Speaker 3: at four years for each of them, so it's not
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Speaker 3: like you've you've locked into either of these guys for
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Speaker 3: a long time. And they're both still relatively young, so
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Speaker 3: they could have if they wanted, they probably could have
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Speaker 3: gone longer with both of these guys, so it's interesting
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Speaker 3: that they didn't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not an eight year deal like what Travis Connectney,
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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, exactly, which in a way, I'm kind
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Speaker 1: of happy about it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know those those deals, I mean, unless you're
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Speaker 3: getting a guy that you know was a star and
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Speaker 3: he's in his like early to mid twenties, those deals
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Speaker 3: kind of scare me.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So yeah, look, the last thing I'll say about
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Speaker 1: this before we had to break, before I let you go,
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Speaker 1: before I need to go as well, and we get
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Speaker 1: to what we're throwing down on the table. This week
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Speaker 1: with some Eagles talk, there was that chatter that the
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Speaker 1: Ziegres contract lend was maybe a bit a bit, maybe
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Speaker 1: a bit too high, because APF Analytics projected a five
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Speaker 1: year deal for Zigres with an eight point two million
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Speaker 1: dollar annual average. There was the thought that the Flyer's
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Speaker 1: offer sheet to Leo Carlson may have impacted things for
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Speaker 1: the Zegris camp if they knew that Philly was willing
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Speaker 1: to pay a top line center eighteen million per season,
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Speaker 1: that gave Zegras's camp some leverage in the negotiation. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you know so I think that I'm sure went to make.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I'm sure on some level, Breair probably
17:53
Speaker 3: knew that when he threw that offer sheet out there,
17:55
Speaker 3: if you know, Anaheim went had matched it, that you
17:58
Speaker 3: know that would happen, that Zecress camp would go, oh
18:01
Speaker 3: you can, you can come up from that figure a
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Speaker 3: little bit. And I'm sure it's something that he probably
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Speaker 3: had in mind. So it's probably not a terrible surprise
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Speaker 3: to him either. But you know, they still do have
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Speaker 3: I think it's like something under just under fifteen million
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Speaker 3: in cap space. So I don't think they're gonna do
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Speaker 3: anything else in this offseason. I think this offseason is
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Speaker 3: probably done. But if they are in a position during
18:24
Speaker 3: the season where okay, we're going for it, this is
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Speaker 3: a move we can make and somebody you know, falls off,
18:31
Speaker 3: and maybe they can make a trade and can use
18:33
Speaker 3: that cap money to accommodate a big salary. That's something
18:37
Speaker 3: to look at for this year.
18:38
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they do.
18:39
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Let us know what you're thinking. Leave us a
18:42
Speaker 1: comment on YouTube, leave a comment below, let us know
18:46
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are with regard to these two contract extensions.
18:49
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. And that being said, Lend,
18:52
Speaker 1: we got the Eagle season coming up soon, buddy, I'm
18:55
Speaker 1: gonna let you go. But man, we got bar.
18:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.
18:59
Speaker 3: It's kind of like I was having the thought the
19:01
Speaker 3: other day of like college will probably be starting up
19:04
Speaker 3: in like a month.
19:04
Speaker 1: I mean we're.
19:05
Speaker 2: Getting close to that as well.
19:06
Speaker 3: So yeah, and that's always like I think a week
19:08
Speaker 3: or two before the NFL so yeah, it's it's going
19:11
Speaker 3: to be happening sooner than you think.
19:12
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we got college football talk coming to the podcast
19:15
Speaker 1: go Back in the Feed on the Table Talk interview
19:18
Speaker 1: show this past week got into some Penn State football
19:20
Speaker 1: talk with the expectations are going to be for this
19:22
Speaker 1: upcoming twenty twenty six season. Matt Campbell is the head coach,
19:26
Speaker 1: and we've got we got more college football talk coming
19:29
Speaker 1: your way. Eagles talk coming your way in just a bit.
19:32
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, my friend before we head out of here.
19:36
Speaker 3: No, just you know, let's hope the Phillies can kind
19:40
Speaker 3: of keep things going here. You know, we'll see what
19:43
Speaker 3: they doing at the trade deadline because I think they're
19:46
Speaker 3: going to be in on a lot of guys, so
19:48
Speaker 3: this will be an interesting trade deadline coming up.
19:50
Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, we are going to take a break
19:52
Speaker 1: when we get back. Got a ton of Philadelphia Eagles
19:54
Speaker 1: talk coming your way, and now to get into some
20:03
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles talk we have with us from Bleeding Green
20:06
Speaker 1: Nation dot com and also the Eagles Pin Pull network
20:10
Speaker 1: that I subscribe to. He also does the podcast on
20:15
Speaker 1: the Shane Page with our buddy Shane Half as well.
20:18
Speaker 1: We've got Johnny Page from over in England, my friend,
20:21
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to join
20:23
Speaker 1: us here. It's great to see him.
20:26
Speaker 4: Man.
20:26
Speaker 1: Eagle season is uh, it's right around the corner, man.
20:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, we are in We are in the dead time,
20:32
Speaker 5: aren't we. Yeah, there is very little happening. We are
20:35
Speaker 5: finding all the topics that we can possibly talk about.
20:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:38
Speaker 5: I haven't actually spoken much about like current Eagles news
20:40
Speaker 5: for a while. I've been doing a lot of like
20:42
Speaker 5: mail Maggie type of things, Emplier review. So it's quite
20:44
Speaker 5: nice to actually just talk to someone about Yeah, so
20:47
Speaker 5: any of the recent news is out there.
20:49
Speaker 4: I guess it's silly season in some ways, isn't it.
20:51
Speaker 1: It is. It's such a great phrase that you use,
20:54
Speaker 1: silly season. I actually I actually use that in my
20:56
Speaker 1: public service career every now and we can do and
20:58
Speaker 1: I'm talking to some of my college you know, you
21:00
Speaker 1: got campaign time, silly season. You've got this time of
21:04
Speaker 1: the year in sports with regard to football, and it
21:08
Speaker 1: is absolutely silly season. We're going to get to some
21:11
Speaker 1: silly storylines for sure. But I'd really like to start
21:14
Speaker 1: off the discussion, Johnny by talking about the Eagles defense.
21:19
Speaker 1: What we're going to be seeing this coming season and
21:21
Speaker 1: what could be potentially the weakest link because we've been
21:24
Speaker 1: talking on this podcast platform about and that's the safety position.
21:28
Speaker 1: And I thought it was great. Just recently, you put
21:30
Speaker 1: up a fantastic piece on Bleedinggreen nation dot com about
21:33
Speaker 1: how two years how the second year for Andrew macouba
21:37
Speaker 1: is really going to be very important for not only him,
21:39
Speaker 1: but this defense from an overall perspective. Your assessment of
21:44
Speaker 1: what you expect or what you expected from him coming
21:47
Speaker 1: out of the draft, then what we saw during that
21:51
Speaker 1: first year last season, it's important to understand when it
21:54
Speaker 1: comes to his development. So folks really quick go over
21:57
Speaker 1: to Bleedinggreennation dot com search for this piece on Andrew
22:01
Speaker 1: mccuba that Johnny Road it was really great. But I'm
22:04
Speaker 1: hoping you can talk about your piece a little bit
22:05
Speaker 1: here in more detail and why you think that Andrew
22:09
Speaker 1: mccuba is one of the most important players on the
22:11
Speaker 1: Eagles defense coming into this season, as you mentioned in
22:14
Speaker 1: your piece here, So I'd love for you to get
22:16
Speaker 1: into this.
22:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they're probably my favorite things to do, actually,
22:19
Speaker 5: I think is going back and looking at sort of
22:22
Speaker 5: how you evaluated someone coming out of college, and I
22:24
Speaker 5: don't really like the phrase like did you get it right,
22:26
Speaker 5: but more like did they play as you expected right?
22:30
Speaker 4: So I'm, to.
22:31
Speaker 5: Be honest with you a little bit terrified about the
22:33
Speaker 5: safety position this year. I would like to know how
22:35
Speaker 5: Vic Fanjo thinks about it off the record, because I'm
22:39
Speaker 5: a big read, blank and Ship guy, and I really
22:41
Speaker 5: struggle and I see the contract he got, and I
22:44
Speaker 5: think how he has a sort of almost like a philosophy.
22:47
Speaker 5: You don't play these mid level guys these contracts. It's
22:50
Speaker 5: like stars and scrubs, isn't it to an extent? And
22:52
Speaker 5: they obviously hope they can survive. I know there's a
22:55
Speaker 5: lot of talk about the Gene playing safety, but realistically
22:57
Speaker 5: that's not going to happen very often. He was going
22:59
Speaker 5: to be nick a lot and he's going to play
23:01
Speaker 5: the slot. So you've, essentially, I mean, you have downgraded
23:04
Speaker 5: from Red Blankenship to Marcus Epps.
23:06
Speaker 4: Is fine.
23:07
Speaker 5: I always liked EEPs a lot, but I think at
23:08
Speaker 5: this age in his career he's very much just a guy,
23:11
Speaker 5: and that leaves mccoober with a pretty big task. So
23:14
Speaker 5: I struggled with mccober coming out and that I really
23:17
Speaker 5: liked the film. He was my safety five that year.
23:20
Speaker 5: Guys like, what's a lot higher? And the simple reason
23:24
Speaker 5: was just the size. And I know people talk about
23:25
Speaker 5: Davonte Smith and what he can do, but they are
23:27
Speaker 5: playing different positions. I think Devonte Smith sort of tries
23:30
Speaker 5: to avoid contact in a nice way and he can
23:33
Speaker 5: do that of his position, whereas Maccoomer actively engages in contact.
23:37
Speaker 5: And I sort of just didn't think he could play
23:40
Speaker 5: in all. Honestly, I don't think he can play the
23:41
Speaker 5: way he did in college, but last year he sort
23:43
Speaker 5: of did. So his runther things was pretty good. I
23:48
Speaker 5: don't like the way he tackles, but he's not just small,
23:50
Speaker 5: he's got short arms as well, so he struggles to
23:52
Speaker 5: wrap up a little bit. The thing that surprised about
23:54
Speaker 5: his year last year was his coverage wasn't.
23:56
Speaker 4: Very good for the first half of the season.
23:58
Speaker 5: Give me a couple of plays that you might remember
24:01
Speaker 5: where he lost his eye discipline, he was trying to
24:03
Speaker 5: do too much. He struggled in man coverage at times
24:05
Speaker 5: where he sort of got court looking at the QB
24:08
Speaker 5: and I think he was probably in Fangio's bad books.
24:11
Speaker 5: And then around sort of Week eight, I think you
24:14
Speaker 5: saw it click and I think he started playing really
24:17
Speaker 5: well and he's a very, very fluid athlete. But there's
24:19
Speaker 5: a there's a clip in the piece that I wrote
24:21
Speaker 5: from week one where he ends up covering Ceedee Lamb
24:24
Speaker 5: on a like a deep corner route and it's like, ah,
24:27
Speaker 5: the guy could like he's so fluid in another world,
24:30
Speaker 5: he could be a corner like. Those skills are very,
24:32
Speaker 5: very evident. I think the biggest question with mccouber is
24:36
Speaker 5: just can he hang for a full year? Yeah, and
24:38
Speaker 5: he's still play the way he plays. I think if
24:40
Speaker 5: he does, if he plays every game next year, I'll
24:43
Speaker 5: feel pretty comfortable with him because I sort of know
24:45
Speaker 5: what he can do now. I think there might be
24:47
Speaker 5: a little bit more boombust element to his play last year.
24:51
Speaker 5: I look back, he played one hundred percent of the
24:52
Speaker 5: snaps week four, which I think for a Fangio. The
24:55
Speaker 5: way Fangio treats the rookies and stuff, I think is
24:57
Speaker 5: pretty impressive. I think you don't start a Fancho secondary
25:00
Speaker 5: unless you're ready, and we've seen that with nearly everyone.
25:03
Speaker 4: They've all taken time.
25:04
Speaker 5: Unless you're like Quenia Mitchell level of good, then you
25:07
Speaker 5: won't just walk in and play. And his defense is
25:10
Speaker 5: a lot about communication. It's a lot about understanding those
25:12
Speaker 5: around you. It's not just straight up like you go
25:15
Speaker 5: cover that guy. So for a rookie to step in
25:17
Speaker 5: and play as many steps as he did shows he's trusted.
25:20
Speaker 4: But I am nervous about Akoub.
25:22
Speaker 5: But I said, I'm like fifty to fifty, like, I
25:24
Speaker 5: think you've got a good player, Like I don't think
25:26
Speaker 5: he's gonna be sunny bad. I think the question is
25:29
Speaker 5: how good and Candy hold up because even the injury last.
25:32
Speaker 4: Year, it was a bit of a freak injury, wasn't it.
25:33
Speaker 5: It was Sidney Brown like coming across doing what Sidney
25:36
Speaker 5: Brown does and sort of recklessly jumping on someone and
25:39
Speaker 5: that player a ladded on thecouvera and it is a
25:41
Speaker 5: little bit of freaky. But he had injuries before the
25:44
Speaker 5: season as well, and even that, like a bigger player
25:47
Speaker 5: may not I mean, I'm hyperfectly speaking here, but you're
25:50
Speaker 5: still being You're being aladded on by two very very
25:53
Speaker 5: big men, and that will happen in football, and you
25:56
Speaker 5: do need to be able to shake those off.
25:57
Speaker 4: And he couldn't essentially, so I think I think if
26:00
Speaker 4: he plays, I'm fine.
26:02
Speaker 5: My big question is like if he doesn't play, then
26:05
Speaker 5: you are looking at a depth chart going Marcus EPs
26:08
Speaker 5: and like the late round pick was now ski like
26:11
Speaker 5: Marcus EPs and Michael Carter, or you're going to move
26:14
Speaker 5: the gene back and then lose the strength you have
26:16
Speaker 5: in the Nickel and just hope Michael Carter can plain
26:18
Speaker 5: and Nickel like, I don't know, I think they are
26:21
Speaker 5: one personally, I would like one more. But if the
26:24
Speaker 5: Coooba can hold up, I think Epps can do a job.
26:26
Speaker 5: And then obviously you hope that trequ Wooden is just
26:28
Speaker 5: a massive upgrade at cornerback to you hope you can
26:31
Speaker 5: sort of survive any injuries that may occur.
26:35
Speaker 4: But I can't lie.
26:37
Speaker 5: There's a part of me still that looks at his
26:38
Speaker 5: size and goes he's an outlier. You don't get many
26:42
Speaker 5: of them, and yes, de Vonte Smith is one of them,
26:44
Speaker 5: but I think the Vonte Smith has always been unbelievably
26:46
Speaker 5: good for goodness sake.
26:48
Speaker 4: So if you are going to be an outlier, I'd
26:50
Speaker 4: like to say that I want.
26:51
Speaker 5: You to be like extremely good and I'd say the
26:54
Speaker 5: juries out, I'm cautiously optimistic.
26:58
Speaker 1: You just said something, though, Johnny that I am so
27:01
Speaker 1: nervous about with regard to this position, and I have
27:04
Speaker 1: been for quite some time. Really we are on the
27:08
Speaker 1: same wavelength with it, and it is surviving. I don't
27:13
Speaker 1: want the secondary to survive, especially the safety position. I
27:17
Speaker 1: don't want them surviving. And we've gotten so we've got
27:22
Speaker 1: we've gotten new guys really coming into the fold here,
27:25
Speaker 1: and I think it's important for us to realize we
27:28
Speaker 1: love what we've seen with Vic Fangio's defense during his
27:31
Speaker 1: tenure in Philly from an overall perspective, but there are
27:34
Speaker 1: a lot of changes that have happened to this defense
27:37
Speaker 1: over this this year, a lot of questions from this
27:41
Speaker 1: off season where you know, we look at and it's
27:44
Speaker 1: a good segue into the next topic here, sticking with
27:47
Speaker 1: defensive players and looking to take that next step in
27:50
Speaker 1: their game to another level. We hope Andrew mccooba, of course,
27:53
Speaker 1: is going to be able to do that, as we
27:54
Speaker 1: were just talking about, but Geead Campbell as well, He's
27:58
Speaker 1: one of those players who could quickly I think I
28:00
Speaker 1: think emergees a real star, but I still think there's
28:02
Speaker 1: question marks there as well. We saw some great stuff
28:05
Speaker 1: from him last year. How do you see Jihad Campbell
28:09
Speaker 1: elevating this Eagles defense this year? Because I still have questions,
28:13
Speaker 1: you know. I think he's a great talent in a
28:15
Speaker 1: lot of ways. I was happy with the draft pick.
28:17
Speaker 1: We saw some good stuff last year, but nothing is
28:20
Speaker 1: absolutely solid like you have with other players on this
28:23
Speaker 1: team from an offensive and defensive perspective. So thoughts on
28:27
Speaker 1: Gid Campbell and how he can elevate this Eagles defense here?
28:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't ever be mad with Vick Fangio, can you?
28:33
Speaker 5: But I wish he didn't get replaced last year by
28:36
Speaker 5: the Kobe Dan. I know how good the Kobe Dean was,
28:38
Speaker 5: and I get it. It's one of those things where
28:39
Speaker 5: like the team were better because of it. I just
28:42
Speaker 5: loved him to have got those reps all year. And
28:45
Speaker 5: Dean was another flyer And we can say that what
28:47
Speaker 5: we want, but the Kobe Dean has a very unique
28:49
Speaker 5: skill set as well that basically no awful linebacker in
28:52
Speaker 5: the league does when he comes to blitzing, and in
28:54
Speaker 5: the way Fanjo plays that that helps a lot. I
28:57
Speaker 5: imagine Vick would have loved to keep him around. But again,
28:59
Speaker 5: you just dropped someone in the first round. There's no
29:01
Speaker 5: way you can sign yet another linebacker.
29:03
Speaker 4: So Campbell's got it all.
29:04
Speaker 5: I like mccoober like physically, like speed wires, profile wires,
29:08
Speaker 5: Campbell's got everything.
29:10
Speaker 4: I think he's a better coverage linebacker and Dean is instantly.
29:12
Speaker 5: I think the issue I had with him last year,
29:14
Speaker 5: and to be honest, not to say I was correct,
29:17
Speaker 5: but there was a lot of talk post draft about
29:19
Speaker 5: Isy in edge or issy and off ball, yeah, and
29:21
Speaker 5: I found that quite amusing because to me, he's an
29:24
Speaker 5: off ball and I think everyone's like, ah, he's zach Bourne,
29:26
Speaker 5: and unfortunately zac Bourne is a unicorn and there's very
29:29
Speaker 5: few Zachbourne's for a reason. So when they tried to
29:31
Speaker 5: put him at edge last year, he struggled, and I
29:34
Speaker 5: felt sorry for Campbell because he ended up being shoved
29:36
Speaker 5: there because their edges got hurt and it was a
29:38
Speaker 5: necessity rather than a I think, to be honest, I
29:41
Speaker 5: think he did the team favor, possibly for the detriment
29:43
Speaker 5: of his development for a little bit of time, and
29:45
Speaker 5: it didn't work. So there's a lot of snaps to
29:47
Speaker 5: him edge just not being able to take on like
29:49
Speaker 5: tight ends, Like he's not a pass rusher on the edge,
29:51
Speaker 5: that's not his game. He spent half the time in
29:53
Speaker 5: coverage when he was playing edge anyway, So get him
29:55
Speaker 5: an off ball linebacker, give him a season to grow.
29:58
Speaker 5: I think the one area development heal he has to
30:00
Speaker 5: work on is coming downhill in the run game. So
30:03
Speaker 5: he's a little bit like see it and then go
30:05
Speaker 5: at the moment. There's not a lot of anticipation. And
30:07
Speaker 5: again that takes time, and he was only a rookie,
30:10
Speaker 5: so I'm not exactly like worried per se, but it's
30:13
Speaker 5: something he has to develop over time. But as I said,
30:16
Speaker 5: a little bit unlike mccouba, all the physical skill set
30:19
Speaker 5: is there, and I think the floor is quite high
30:20
Speaker 5: with Campbell, So I think at worst you get a
30:23
Speaker 5: really good coverage linebackerup who in them modern NFL can
30:26
Speaker 5: tick a lot of boxes anyway, But you do want
30:28
Speaker 5: to see Still the NFL is going a little bit
30:31
Speaker 5: more run heavy, of like you're going to face a
30:33
Speaker 5: lot of might we put the tight ends sets and
30:36
Speaker 5: you can have to get down hill quickly. You're gonna
30:37
Speaker 5: have to take on guards, and he doesn't really take
30:40
Speaker 5: on guards. When you think of like twenty years ago,
30:42
Speaker 5: you think of old score off aall linebackers the old
30:44
Speaker 5: stack and shed like head up a guard, take them on.
30:47
Speaker 4: Make a tackle.
30:48
Speaker 5: A lot of linebackers don't do that anymore. They avoid contact.
30:51
Speaker 5: They almost like avoid the offensive lineman. And the way
30:54
Speaker 5: you do that, in the best possible way, you should
30:56
Speaker 5: beat them to the punch. So that's what Zach Gouln
30:59
Speaker 5: does basically if he's if you amount of times you
31:01
Speaker 5: see Zack Pauln like se A see a pulling guard
31:04
Speaker 5: and before the guard could even get to him, he
31:05
Speaker 5: shot the gap and blug up the plane in the backfield.
31:08
Speaker 5: Because paul also is not going to stack and shed
31:10
Speaker 5: like an old school lineback. But if you're not going
31:13
Speaker 5: to do that, I think you've got to be quicker
31:15
Speaker 5: because you basically got to beat the lineman too a spot.
31:18
Speaker 4: And if Campbell doesn't beat them.
31:20
Speaker 5: There, I think he can be in a little bit
31:22
Speaker 5: of trouble because I I think he can struggle to
31:24
Speaker 5: get off blocks. So he's got to trust his eyes.
31:26
Speaker 5: And I think you saw it as the season progressed.
31:29
Speaker 5: Sometimes players can develop by not playing. So I'm hoping
31:32
Speaker 5: that for us, we go selfishly. We want to see him,
31:34
Speaker 5: we want to see him develop. But actually maybe in
31:36
Speaker 5: the meeting rooms, maybe by watching what the Kobe Dean does,
31:39
Speaker 5: by having the time to step back and watch what
31:40
Speaker 5: Zach Prn does and in the film room and stuff,
31:43
Speaker 5: he can still take that next step forward.
31:45
Speaker 4: But that's the big area development for him. I think
31:48
Speaker 4: everything else is good. It's going downhill against the run.
31:52
Speaker 4: That's what I want to see from him sort of Week.
31:55
Speaker 1: One, absolutely, absolutely, Week one against the Commanders, we're gonna
31:59
Speaker 1: see some stuff from both Andrew mccoova and Jiha Campbell
32:02
Speaker 1: and where the games could potentially go. Folks, We are
32:05
Speaker 1: going to take a quick break, but when we get back,
32:07
Speaker 1: we've got more Eagles talk coming your way. All right,
32:12
Speaker 1: we are back with Johnny Page from Bleedinggreen Nation dot
32:17
Speaker 1: com at Johnny Page nine over on the Twitter slash x.
32:22
Speaker 1: And as we're moving along here, I want to stick
32:25
Speaker 1: just with the defense as well, because look, I know
32:30
Speaker 1: we've got Jonathan Garnard coming into the fold as well.
32:32
Speaker 1: A lot of us are excited to see what he
32:35
Speaker 1: is going to do for this defense terms of the
32:37
Speaker 1: pass rush. But our guest last week and I were
32:40
Speaker 1: talking about the defensive line. I was telling him that
32:43
Speaker 1: I still am a bit concerned about what the pass
32:46
Speaker 1: rush is going to look like, even with having Jonathan
32:48
Speaker 1: Garnard there as well, and how the defensive ends may
32:51
Speaker 1: end up producing. I still think the jury is out
32:54
Speaker 1: to a certain extent on how consistent Jalx Hunt and
32:57
Speaker 1: Nolan Smith can be throughout this entire season. And sure,
33:01
Speaker 1: Jealox Hunt had a very nice season last year with
33:04
Speaker 1: the with with takeaways and making sure that the offense
33:08
Speaker 1: was going to be able to get back onto the field.
33:10
Speaker 1: We all hope that he's going to be able to
33:11
Speaker 1: build upon that. But Johnny, I'm wondering if you're concerned
33:15
Speaker 1: with the pass rush consistency this coming season, and why
33:20
Speaker 1: are Why not?
33:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am, I think it's I agree with you basically.
33:25
Speaker 5: I think Nolan Smith and Jex Hunt are perfect scheme fits.
33:28
Speaker 5: They're really really good against the run. Both of them
33:31
Speaker 5: can drop into coverage. But I think the way Fangio
33:33
Speaker 5: wants to win and you have to prioritize, don't. You
33:36
Speaker 5: can't sign everyone's a big money deal, So they look
33:39
Speaker 5: like they're going to prioritize interior defensive linement. I think
33:42
Speaker 5: Carter and Jomo could very much be in line for
33:44
Speaker 5: big paydays. And the basic premise is that you can
33:48
Speaker 5: create a lot of one on one matchups, you can
33:49
Speaker 5: use a lot of sim pressures, you can drop guys
33:51
Speaker 5: acts coverage.
33:52
Speaker 4: And therefore you don't need like elite edge defenders.
33:55
Speaker 5: And I always think in principle that sounds amazing until
33:58
Speaker 5: it's ferdinate and the key he's got four seconds to
34:01
Speaker 5: throw and you're standing at both your age defenders as
34:03
Speaker 5: jelling Carter's double thinking. Someone win. So I think the
34:07
Speaker 5: end of the day scheme can only take you so far.
34:09
Speaker 5: You have to have guys that win. And I think
34:11
Speaker 5: Jelex Hunt, if you look at his sacks last year,
34:13
Speaker 5: if we're being honest, was a little bit fortunate. I
34:15
Speaker 5: think he's got a lot of cleanup sacks. He had
34:17
Speaker 5: a lot of last matchups, there was a lot of
34:18
Speaker 5: things that went his way. But I also think he's
34:20
Speaker 5: an emerging talent who athletically is very very strong.
34:23
Speaker 4: I really like Bernard. I really like Bernard.
34:26
Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to beat like the best
34:28
Speaker 5: of the best offensive tackles, but I think he'll dominate
34:32
Speaker 5: eighty percent, and I think he will be a massive,
34:34
Speaker 5: massive help. Nolan Smith, I'm like, I want to see it. Yeah,
34:37
Speaker 5: I think now I really want to see it. The
34:40
Speaker 5: jury's been out for him since day one. For me
34:42
Speaker 5: as a pass rusher, everything else he does is spectacularly
34:44
Speaker 5: good in terms of coverage and run defense, but in
34:47
Speaker 5: terms of a pure out and out one on one
34:48
Speaker 5: pass rusher up, the jury's always.
34:50
Speaker 4: Been a little bit out.
34:51
Speaker 5: So I am with you, but I think the two
34:54
Speaker 5: magic words that could save everything card Jenlen Carter. I
34:58
Speaker 5: think the Egles have a lot and lot of eggs
35:00
Speaker 5: in the Jaiden Carter basket, and we didn't see it
35:02
Speaker 5: last year for lots of reasons. We saw like good play,
35:05
Speaker 5: but not what we saw the year before. And if
35:08
Speaker 5: he goes back to being like god Mo Jaiden Carter
35:11
Speaker 5: and just dominates, then I think everything else becomes easier
35:14
Speaker 5: because all of a sudden, you realize that other players
35:17
Speaker 5: can win their one of my matchups because the defense
35:19
Speaker 5: is terrified about what Carter can do. Yeah, so I
35:21
Speaker 5: would say, like, I agree with you, but I think
35:25
Speaker 5: if Carter can really really go back to full strength,
35:27
Speaker 5: and I think the concerns that I have are less
35:30
Speaker 5: because of that one player, but I do think they
35:33
Speaker 5: have a lot on him and Grenard being sort of
35:36
Speaker 5: very good immediately.
35:37
Speaker 1: Look and other NFL teams will you will hedge their
35:41
Speaker 1: bets on one player, whether it's on the offensive or
35:43
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, And that's what the Eagles
35:45
Speaker 1: are really doing in terms of the defensive line with
35:48
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter, Like you're like, you're mentioning here, and it's
35:52
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of scary in a way to think
35:55
Speaker 1: that the productivity of what that pass rush may end
35:59
Speaker 1: up looking like is really contingent on one player being
36:03
Speaker 1: able to stay healthy. And he knows what's in store
36:05
Speaker 1: for him in terms of his potential future contract and
36:08
Speaker 1: what that extension may look like. It's going to be
36:11
Speaker 1: really interesting to really see how he comes out of
36:14
Speaker 1: the gate that first week against the Washington Commanders during
36:17
Speaker 1: the regular season. But I do want to shift over
36:20
Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball here, and we
36:22
Speaker 1: have to get into the storyline of Nick Sirianni what
36:26
Speaker 1: he's been doing with the team, whether it's offensive, maybe
36:29
Speaker 1: even defensive as well. But Nick Sirianni's been using chat,
36:32
Speaker 1: GPT and AI to help prepare for the season. There's
36:37
Speaker 1: so much ridiculous discourse online about what he may or
36:41
Speaker 1: may not be doing with regard to his online searches
36:45
Speaker 1: and chat GPT stuff. Here. Look, I mean, it's been
36:49
Speaker 1: reported that he's using it to make team meetings more
36:52
Speaker 1: efficient and creative, specifically when it actually comes to storytelling
36:57
Speaker 1: in the world of sports. So, I don't know, do
37:00
Speaker 1: you think do you think we need to be concerned
37:02
Speaker 1: with Sirianni using chat GPT because you know what, you
37:05
Speaker 1: can go down rabbit holes with regard to generative AI.
37:10
Speaker 1: You can absolutely do it. In fact, we were just
37:12
Speaker 1: talking on this podcast about Major League Baseball having to
37:16
Speaker 1: ban AI in the dugout they ended up doing that.
37:21
Speaker 1: It's becoming more and more common in sports for teams, coaches,
37:27
Speaker 1: players to use generative AI to help enhance what they're
37:32
Speaker 1: doing in terms of their sport. From an analytics standpoint,
37:35
Speaker 1: I guess it can potentially be helpful. I mean, what
37:38
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this narrative, this storyline, Johnny.
37:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, where do you go?
37:43
Speaker 5: You said you should we be concerned about Sirianni and
37:45
Speaker 5: then you said and then you should just stop there?
37:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I could have answered the question like, I
37:51
Speaker 4: don't know.
37:51
Speaker 5: I think if every team is going to be using
37:53
Speaker 5: it now for decision making, aren't they like every team Yeah,
37:56
Speaker 5: I mean analyt they were using it in terms of
37:57
Speaker 5: analytics and stuff. And I imagine, I like a bit
38:00
Speaker 5: about team meetings being more efficient, Like I imagine there's
38:03
Speaker 5: quite a lot of good tools where you can provide
38:04
Speaker 5: transcripts of your team meetings, like summaries of meetings, Like,
38:07
Speaker 5: but they should have been doing that.
38:08
Speaker 4: Already, sure, exactly years. Yeah, Like I guess, and this
38:12
Speaker 4: is almost like a jokey thing.
38:13
Speaker 5: And if he wants to google some motivational stories, if
38:16
Speaker 5: he thinks that's going to make a difference, then fine.
38:20
Speaker 5: I guess the two things that I have like somewhat
38:22
Speaker 5: serious Number one, like.
38:23
Speaker 4: Do we need to know exactly?
38:26
Speaker 5: Do I need to know like I'm sure every coach does.
38:28
Speaker 5: No coach is going to admitute every coach will we
38:31
Speaker 5: know most people in the world are going to be
38:32
Speaker 5: using it, Like it speaks to a little bit of
38:35
Speaker 5: I don't know, like foolishness or maybe arrogance, you could
38:37
Speaker 5: say on his behalf as if like this is a
38:40
Speaker 5: radically new thing that he's going to google and didn't
38:42
Speaker 5: talk about, like he's found a story of a motivational story,
38:45
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking like yeah, And I guess the second
38:48
Speaker 5: thing is it sort of sums up his role in
38:50
Speaker 5: some ways this year, like as the Dan Campbell head coach,
38:53
Speaker 5: Like is he just going to fully get out the
38:55
Speaker 5: way of the offensive like meeting room and just say
38:58
Speaker 5: she'll mannon that it's yours now and it's there be
39:00
Speaker 5: a full on different offense. And if that's the case,
39:03
Speaker 5: you sometimes wonder like is your job? Is that your
39:05
Speaker 5: job now looking up motivational stories? And if it is,
39:08
Speaker 5: then fair enough, Dan Campbell. It can have success if
39:10
Speaker 5: you've got a great offensive and defensive mind. But it
39:12
Speaker 5: makes him seem a little bit I don't want to
39:14
Speaker 5: say silly, but if it was a little bit redundant,
39:16
Speaker 5: doesn't it exactly when you've got a guy running the
39:19
Speaker 5: offense and the guy running the entire defense, and your
39:21
Speaker 5: head coach is using whatever AI tool to search for
39:24
Speaker 5: motivational stories that players probably sit there and meeting rooms
39:27
Speaker 5: like shaking their heads.
39:28
Speaker 1: Anyway.
39:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just there's two parts to it.
39:31
Speaker 5: One is like if they're not using it, for the
39:33
Speaker 5: for that kind of like team meeting summaries, like for
39:36
Speaker 5: loads of analytics stuff.
39:37
Speaker 4: Then they have to.
39:38
Speaker 5: Be because as much as AI can maybe have problems,
39:41
Speaker 5: if you're not yea, if you're not using it for
39:42
Speaker 5: certain things, I think it's mad.
39:44
Speaker 4: But I just query like do we need to know?
39:47
Speaker 4: So do I need to know?
39:48
Speaker 5: And even like mention the AI tools using it almost
39:51
Speaker 5: like you don't even.
39:51
Speaker 4: Need to say it exactly, like yeah, I discovered it.
39:55
Speaker 4: I was like, and have you not heard of it before?
39:56
Speaker 5: Like it's just you feel like Sirianni doesn't really care
39:59
Speaker 5: what people and does his own thing. And sometimes I
40:01
Speaker 5: respect it, and sometimes I'm a bit like just shut
40:05
Speaker 5: up and win for.
40:06
Speaker 1: Especially the storyline, because it's like, oh man, you just
40:08
Speaker 1: kind of seem at a touch in a way.
40:10
Speaker 4: You know.
40:11
Speaker 5: I think he's a bit of a punchbag from a
40:13
Speaker 5: national media anyway. Yeah, Like there's already a lot of
40:15
Speaker 5: shows that you probably listened to, like national media shows
40:17
Speaker 5: that find him a bit of a gimmick character anyway.
40:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is.
40:21
Speaker 4: He is very gimmicky, isn't he?
40:22
Speaker 5: And I think he was endearing at some points the
40:24
Speaker 5: Philadelphia fans and now he's a little bit less endearing.
40:28
Speaker 5: So sometimes I'm like, just don't give people ammunition. You
40:31
Speaker 5: can see like chat shows and w IP and week
40:34
Speaker 5: three if the Eagles and the one two or one
40:36
Speaker 5: on one, like people posting things online can't knew how
40:40
Speaker 5: to rebuild it for like you can just see it now.
40:43
Speaker 5: Sometimes I'm like, don't give the opposition ammunition before the
40:46
Speaker 5: season has begun.
40:48
Speaker 4: But I don't think Serri only cares. And sometimes I
40:51
Speaker 4: respect it. Sometimes I think it's.
40:52
Speaker 1: Mad exactly exactly great points, great points for sure. But look,
40:57
Speaker 1: we're looking at this offense and how the offensive product
41:00
Speaker 1: activity is really going to manifest itself this year under
41:02
Speaker 1: Shawn Manion. At the end of the day, Johnny, the
41:06
Speaker 1: offensive line is going to be so critical to the
41:08
Speaker 1: success to the success of the offense from an overall perspective.
41:12
Speaker 1: We saw it happen last year with a consistently banged
41:16
Speaker 1: up Cam Jurgens, Lane Johnson, and Landon Dickerson. So I'm
41:20
Speaker 1: looking more as this offensive line continues to get older,
41:24
Speaker 1: they continue to be more injured. Their bodies just go
41:27
Speaker 1: through so much on a yearly basis, the depth of
41:31
Speaker 1: this offensive line is going to be so critical I
41:34
Speaker 1: think this year because I just don't think you can
41:37
Speaker 1: trust the health of these gentlemen. As much as we
41:40
Speaker 1: want to and as much as we hold out hope,
41:42
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think we're going to be able to
41:44
Speaker 1: do that. What are your thoughts on depth coming into
41:47
Speaker 1: this season with the offensive line, given how injury prone
41:51
Speaker 1: these particular guys have been during the course of their
41:54
Speaker 1: career so far and especially over the past year. What
41:56
Speaker 1: are your thoughts here?
41:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, terrified as well.
41:59
Speaker 5: Like you said, I think the worst thing about being
42:01
Speaker 5: a sports fan is just not knowing.
42:02
Speaker 4: But if you told me now that Cam.
42:04
Speaker 5: Jurgens a Landon Dickerson are fine and they're fully healthy
42:06
Speaker 5: and the season will be great, then wonderful. But you've
42:09
Speaker 5: got Lane Johnson coming back what missing INNC games last year?
42:13
Speaker 5: Jurgons was just, let's be honest, not very good all year.
42:15
Speaker 5: Dickerson was not very good all year, and half of
42:18
Speaker 5: it was the scheme might have been the worst professional
42:20
Speaker 5: scheme I've ever seen in my entire life, helping the
42:23
Speaker 5: offensive line. But the other issue may have just been
42:25
Speaker 5: but they weren't that good Outside of that. You're throwing darts,
42:30
Speaker 5: aren't you? You're throwing darts like I feel a lot
42:33
Speaker 5: better about tackle with Fred Johnson back.
42:34
Speaker 4: I'm quite a big Fred Johnson guy. That was a
42:37
Speaker 4: good resigning to me.
42:38
Speaker 5: That made me breathe easy a little bit, because what
42:40
Speaker 5: that means is you've basically got free dart FROs in
42:43
Speaker 5: Miles Hinton, Cameron Williams and Mark Elbell, and all of
42:46
Speaker 5: them have got major flaws. I happened to actually like
42:49
Speaker 5: Cameron Williams the most going back to last year, but
42:51
Speaker 5: he barely played them when he did in Week eighteen,
42:53
Speaker 5: he struggled a little bit. Mark Albell I think is
42:56
Speaker 5: actually a very very interesting player, but he's got a
43:00
Speaker 5: lot of work to be done.
43:01
Speaker 4: So I think for next year at tackle.
43:03
Speaker 5: You're looking at Fred Johnson, and then I think at
43:05
Speaker 5: guard and censer, you've got two names to look at. Really,
43:07
Speaker 5: You've got Woody Lampkin, who is just like the wild card.
43:12
Speaker 4: Could he back up at center? Could he be useful
43:15
Speaker 4: in certain systems?
43:16
Speaker 5: But I think Drew Kendall was the one that I like,
43:19
Speaker 5: so he looked quite good in Week teen last year.
43:21
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to go back and rewatch him.
43:23
Speaker 5: Again for a piece shortly, but I started last week,
43:26
Speaker 5: and I had a look at the week eighteen game,
43:28
Speaker 5: and I quite like the look of him.
43:30
Speaker 4: I think he said that he is cross training this
43:32
Speaker 4: year at guard as well.
43:33
Speaker 5: Nice, so he might be first man up because there's
43:37
Speaker 5: not a lot else And if you squint and if
43:38
Speaker 5: you go Fred Johnson, there's your first backup. How many
43:41
Speaker 5: teams have got a good backup tackle? I think Fred
43:43
Speaker 5: Johnson's about as good as it gets. And then you
43:46
Speaker 5: can squint and say, well, if they can develop just
43:48
Speaker 5: one of the free tackles and then Kendall can give
43:50
Speaker 5: them some interior protection. I think if you look closely,
43:54
Speaker 5: you can say it's okay. The truth is that we've.
43:56
Speaker 4: Been blessed for offensive line depth that most teams.
43:58
Speaker 1: Just don't have. We are very spoiled with it.
44:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, what it's worth.
44:03
Speaker 5: Brandon Fahn, who to me, and I'm sure many is
44:05
Speaker 5: the on line girl of Guru, Sorry there is. He
44:09
Speaker 5: ranked the one to thirty two offensive lines who established
44:12
Speaker 5: a run and a little bit cheating because I'm not
44:15
Speaker 5: a subscriber, but when you click on it, you get
44:17
Speaker 5: to see the first four and the Eagles are at second.
44:19
Speaker 5: So it's one of those things that maybe is Philadelphia fans.
44:22
Speaker 5: We stress about it because we go But what if
44:24
Speaker 5: Jurgons back and other teams are liking we have like
44:27
Speaker 5: one guy that can play tackle work, Right, You're sitting
44:30
Speaker 5: there with Lan Johnson and Jordan my Latta and you're moaning. Yeah,
44:33
Speaker 5: So I think that's we're I think we should be
44:35
Speaker 5: okay if Jurgens and Dickerson. This is a weird thing
44:38
Speaker 5: to say, but if they're not healthy, I want them
44:41
Speaker 5: to sit out. I think what annoyed me last year
44:43
Speaker 5: is professional athletes just keep playing and playing and playing,
44:45
Speaker 5: and it's the coach's job, and it's the injury guys job,
44:48
Speaker 5: the medical staff to go no sit out because I
44:51
Speaker 5: think at times last year Bret tof looked better. Yeah,
44:53
Speaker 5: And I was like, why are you playing Jurgons still?
44:56
Speaker 5: It's not helping us, it's not helping him. So if
44:59
Speaker 5: they're not right, get them out, give someone else a go,
45:02
Speaker 5: because I think playing through injuries can sometimes be worse
45:05
Speaker 5: than just accepting defeat. Yeah, so I'm sort of yeah,
45:09
Speaker 5: once again, I'm fifty to fifty. But int of the day,
45:11
Speaker 5: as long as lanes back, you've still got two star
45:13
Speaker 5: started tackles. And as an offensive coaching staff, they should
45:16
Speaker 5: be trying to scheme around weaknesses rather than just running
45:19
Speaker 5: into also phrase square picking a roundhole or whatever last year. Yeah,
45:23
Speaker 5: so as long as you're trying to scheme around it,
45:25
Speaker 5: if you do have a week and it's fine, actually
45:28
Speaker 5: scheme around it for once, which hopefully they'll do this year.
45:30
Speaker 5: I think the scheme will make it easier on the
45:32
Speaker 5: offensive line, which will help them out.
45:34
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see what this scheme is going to be.
45:36
Speaker 1: Can out wait to see what Sean Mannion is going
45:38
Speaker 1: to be doing. Seriously, it's like I'm just we're all
45:41
Speaker 1: waiting to see it. That first preseason game is going
45:44
Speaker 1: to and it's just preseason, but everybody's going to be
45:47
Speaker 1: just clamoring to see what this offense looks like and
45:50
Speaker 1: how the offensive line is really going to be performing,
45:53
Speaker 1: even during the preseason. So that being said, folks, really quick,
45:56
Speaker 1: we do have to take one more break. When we
45:58
Speaker 1: come back, we're going to get into the underdogs, who
46:02
Speaker 1: could be one of the most underrated Eagles on this
46:05
Speaker 1: team heading into this season. We'll be right back in
46:08
Speaker 1: just a bit. We're back with our good buddy Johnny
46:13
Speaker 1: Page at Johnny Page nine over on the Twitter slash
46:17
Speaker 1: x Bleedinggreen Nation dot com and also the Eagles Pinpool Network.
46:23
Speaker 1: I am a subscriber. And before we get to our
46:26
Speaker 1: last topic here, Johnny, any other places where folks can
46:29
Speaker 1: find you on the interwebs out there if you want
46:30
Speaker 1: to get that out there, out there are folks.
46:32
Speaker 5: To be fair, I think I think you smashed its.
46:35
Speaker 5: There we go two places, Yeah, all right, Leading Green
46:38
Speaker 5: Nation and Eagles Pinpool Network.
46:41
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's basically yeah.
46:42
Speaker 1: Awesome, sweet awesome. Well, buddy, before I let you go here,
46:46
Speaker 1: excuse me just one last topic. And we always love
46:49
Speaker 1: talking about underdogs, especially in the world of Philly sports.
46:53
Speaker 1: Love talking about those players who may be underrated, who
46:56
Speaker 1: may be able to elevate their game and take even
46:59
Speaker 1: the team to another level as well. Who do you
47:02
Speaker 1: think could be the most underrated Eagle on this team
47:05
Speaker 1: as we're looking at the twenty twenty six season and why?
47:09
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's sort of a not an easy question this
47:12
Speaker 5: year because I feel like the Eagles are pretty clear
47:14
Speaker 5: on like who their stars and scrubs are to extent,
47:17
Speaker 5: so like you could mention like a Moro Jomo who,
47:19
Speaker 5: But I think most fans have now caught up to it.
47:21
Speaker 1: Yep.
47:22
Speaker 5: So I guess when I was looking, and honestly I
47:24
Speaker 5: looked and I was like, there's not an easy answer,
47:26
Speaker 5: is there, Like like I might go in different directions,
47:30
Speaker 5: So like who could be like under the radar I
47:32
Speaker 5: looks at this year and so helping them.
47:34
Speaker 4: So I mentioned one of them already. I mentioned Drew Kendall.
47:37
Speaker 5: I think he could be a backup guard and backup center,
47:39
Speaker 5: and that realistically means I think you're played because he
47:41
Speaker 5: could be behind two very injured players in or injury
47:46
Speaker 5: prone players in Jerkins and Dickerson. I will give you
47:48
Speaker 5: the signing they made early on at the start of
47:50
Speaker 5: the year in Johnny Munt at tight end because I
47:53
Speaker 5: think when you look at the scheme that they're going
47:56
Speaker 5: to be running, I think you're going to have to
47:57
Speaker 5: have tight ends that can block in line. And they
47:59
Speaker 5: made a very resting is one word, second round pick
48:02
Speaker 5: in Eli Stowers, who maybe can't do that.
48:05
Speaker 4: So then you think that, well, it's going to be
48:07
Speaker 4: got a month.
48:07
Speaker 5: They're going to play a lot, so I think month
48:09
Speaker 5: is probably He's not going to be a sexy pick.
48:11
Speaker 5: He's not going to have dozens of catches, but in
48:13
Speaker 5: terms of what they want to do schematically, I think
48:16
Speaker 5: he's really really important. And then I think I was
48:21
Speaker 5: looking at defensively and the names are sort of obvious.
48:26
Speaker 5: I don't love like a really really obvious defensive player,
48:31
Speaker 5: So I'll go with someone that I mentioned earlier on.
48:33
Speaker 4: I think because we were all gutted to lose out on.
48:36
Speaker 5: Jaden Phillips, because Jaden Phillips is such a good player,
48:39
Speaker 5: I think that Jonathan Grenard maybe has gone under the radar.
48:42
Speaker 5: I don't really read much about him. I don't see
48:44
Speaker 5: a lot out there. It seems like, oh, yeah, we
48:46
Speaker 5: lost Phillips, We've got Grenard. I feel like because of that,
48:49
Speaker 5: Grenard is almost like trying to fill quite a big hole.
48:53
Speaker 4: And I think Gernard's a really good tootball player.
48:55
Speaker 5: Like I think if the Eagles could, you could have
48:56
Speaker 5: told him at the start what they wouldn't get Jaden Phillips.
48:59
Speaker 5: But they get and are to what they got him for.
49:01
Speaker 5: I think that they have been pretty happy. So I
49:04
Speaker 5: think maybe underrated in terms of because I think, to
49:06
Speaker 5: your point earlier on about Edge, they need someone to
49:09
Speaker 5: do the business and Jack Jaien Phillips was very.
49:12
Speaker 4: Good and.
49:14
Speaker 1: Very consistent. It's the consistency that I'm that we're all
49:17
Speaker 1: concerned about.
49:19
Speaker 5: And I think they're going to lose a little bit
49:20
Speaker 5: of the ability to scheme up pressure because they haven't
49:23
Speaker 5: got the thunder Boulder is the Kobe d next year,
49:25
Speaker 5: So I they're going to have to win more one
49:27
Speaker 5: on one matchups, which we said earlier on and I
49:28
Speaker 5: think if Carter and Davis can take doubles, I think
49:31
Speaker 5: the edge defenders are going to be.
49:32
Speaker 4: Go and win.
49:33
Speaker 5: And I think Grenard can, and I mean I hope
49:36
Speaker 5: he does, because Eagles need some more pressure outside. Honestly,
49:39
Speaker 5: I feel like there's not a lot of obvious players
49:43
Speaker 5: to mention if you wanted a really dark horse. I
49:46
Speaker 5: quite like the film of aj I can ever pronounce
49:50
Speaker 5: his name Epenza beause they sign as well assuming he
49:54
Speaker 5: makes the team, because they've got quite a lot of
49:56
Speaker 5: players there. I do think he fits the role was
50:00
Speaker 5: like a bigger edge that they haven't got elsewhere. Yeah,
50:03
Speaker 5: and I like the way he plays like real hustle,
50:05
Speaker 5: like real tenacity, So I think he could be like
50:08
Speaker 5: someone that maybe you'll play a little bit more than
50:10
Speaker 5: people think because Fangio does love to rotate, so he
50:13
Speaker 5: could be a dark horse for someone that could contribute
50:16
Speaker 5: who I don't really see anyone mentioned online right.
50:19
Speaker 1: The other aspect of this we talked about on the
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Speaker 1: show last week too. We talked about one specific position,
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Speaker 1: and it was the kicker position. I really look Jake Elliott.
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Speaker 1: I've loved him for so many years, but he left
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Speaker 1: a lot of points on the field last year, in
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Speaker 1: fact the past two seasons, and if he's gonna have
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Speaker 1: some competition during training camp remains to be seen and
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Speaker 1: what that competition may actually look like. But I would
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Speaker 1: say a potent not that I'm wanting it, but a
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Speaker 1: potential new kicker could be an underrated individual on this
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Speaker 1: team as well. I don't want to put the card
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Speaker 1: before the wars. We certainly don't have a crystal ball here,
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Speaker 1: but I think that that could actually be someone as
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Speaker 1: well who could potentially be under as well.
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Speaker 4: Johnny, Yeah, I think what was who was it?
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Speaker 5: I can't remember who was the chip Kelly is and
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Speaker 5: but competition everywhere is what you always want. Yeah, maybe
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Speaker 5: Elliot's had a little bit of a couple of seasons
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Speaker 5: with a little bit less competition.
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Speaker 4: It happens.
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Speaker 5: He's a professonal athlete, but he's also a human being,
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Speaker 5: and we all settled, don't we.
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Speaker 4: And last year wasn't great.
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Speaker 5: So I think this year we're probably not going to
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Speaker 5: be dominant enough to give leave points on the field
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Speaker 5: on offense because he's going to take some time, Especially
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Speaker 5: the first half of the season.
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Speaker 4: You might be kicking a few more field goals.
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Speaker 2: Than you like.
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Speaker 5: So those kind of things matter. Yeah, so yeah, I'm
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Speaker 5: with you. Would again. Whether they'll get someone that's actually
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Speaker 5: better is probably unlikely, but even just someone to put
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Speaker 5: a little bit of fire in his belly and just
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Speaker 5: let him know that he has to perform this year.
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Speaker 5: Sometimes that's not a bad thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's not bad at all. But this Eagles
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Speaker 1: season right around the corner. Training camp is right around
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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, a lot of stuff in the off
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