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  Speaker 1: Welcome to pod save america i'm john favreau and filling
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, we got some good news and bad
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  Speaker 1: news about Joe Biden's agenda. We got House Republicans in disarray.
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  Speaker 1: at crooked.com slash events. All right, so let's start with
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  Speaker 1: some good news and bad news about Joe Biden's agenda.
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  Speaker 1: The good news is that two Democratic House members told
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  Speaker 1: The Washington Post that during a meeting with the congressional
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  Speaker 1: Hispanic caucus this week, the president, quote, gave his strongest
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  Speaker 1: indication yet that he is prepared not only to extend
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  Speaker 1: the current moratorium on student debt, but poised to take
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  Speaker 1: significant action to relieve student loans altogether. a move that
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  Speaker 1: could include canceling tens of thousands of dollars in debt
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  Speaker 1: for some people and one that he wants to take
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  Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. Biden himself confirmed on Thursday that
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  Speaker 1: a final decision will come in a few weeks.
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  Speaker 3: So that's great.
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  Speaker 1: Now for the bad news, also from the Washington Post,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Stein. Joe Manchin, oof, We haven't said Joe Manchin
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  Speaker 1: in so long on this pod, and now we're back.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Manchin has started meeting with Republican senators about a
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  Speaker 1: bipartisan energy bill, causing, quote, real fear in the White
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  Speaker 1: House that they'll fail to reach a deal with the
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia senator on a Democrat-only reconciliation bill that would
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  Speaker 1: invest in clean energy, lower the cost of prescription drugs,
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  Speaker 1: raise taxes on the rich, and cut the deficit, four
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  Speaker 1: policies that Manchin keeps saying he supports. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: the good. So Erin, what are your thoughts on the
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  Speaker 1: student debt news? And what do you make of the
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  Speaker 1: timing on this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm for it. I'm going to say I'm one
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  Speaker 2: of those people who had to take out a lot
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  Speaker 2: of loans to go to college and paid them all off.
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  Speaker 2: I think I paid them all off like in 2018
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  Speaker 2: or 2019. And it was like a huge burden up
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  Speaker 2: until the point that I paid them off. And as
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  Speaker 2: someone who paid my loans off, I don't want other
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  Speaker 2: people to have to go through that for like the
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  Speaker 2: entire young adulthood that they live to have that sort
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  Speaker 2: of burden on their back. So I love this news.
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  Speaker 2: And I also want to sort of reframe the conversation
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  Speaker 2: on student loans. I think that national media is doing
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  Speaker 2: this thing where they're making it seem like, or they're
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  Speaker 2: giving oxygen to the argument, the Republican argument, that this
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  Speaker 2: is a bailout for pencil necks who keep going to
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  Speaker 2: more and more grad school because they, whatever, they're like
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  Speaker 2: the elite. But if you take a look at who
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  Speaker 2: takes out student loans, who are they? They're people who
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  Speaker 2: can't pay for college out of pocket. So they're people
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  Speaker 2: who aren't coming from money. They're people who maybe their
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  Speaker 2: families didn't plan for them to go to college. They're
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  Speaker 2: people who are maybe first-generation college graduates. And so they're
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  Speaker 2: people who come from one place and are going to
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  Speaker 2: another place. They're upwardly mobile people. They're the future middle class.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that it's really important for when we
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  Speaker 2: talk about this to keep in mind that people who
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  Speaker 2: take out student loans and the people who are most
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  Speaker 2: burdened by student loans are the future middle class or
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  Speaker 2: people that are trying to better their lives, also disproportionately
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  Speaker 2: people of color. So I think that this is only
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  Speaker 2: a good move for Democrats, and it's only a good
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  Speaker 2: move And I just really want to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: when we talk about student loans, who we have in
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  Speaker 2: mind for who's taking them out is the right picture,
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  Speaker 2: a picture that matches reality.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think that it seems like from what
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  Speaker 1: Biden has said and what the White House has hinted at,
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  Speaker 1: that he might take action to make sure that people
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  Speaker 1: who need the help the most get it and that
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  Speaker 1: people who are like very wealthy and can afford to
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  Speaker 1: pay off their student loans do not get this.
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  Speaker 3: Sort of debt relief.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Republican senators reacted to the story by saying
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  Speaker 1: they're introducing a bill that would prevent Biden from canceling
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  Speaker 1: student debt. And Mitt Romney called it a desperate bribe
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday. You think Biden and the Democrats should lean
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  Speaker 1: into this fight?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I also think that it's funny that Mitt Romney, this
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  Speaker 2: is he should be above this. Like doing something that
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  Speaker 2: tangibly benefits your constituents is not a bribe. It's called
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  Speaker 2: being an elected official bribe. representing the public interest. What's
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  Speaker 2: a tax cut then? What is getting a contract awarded
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  Speaker 2: to your district? It's not a bribe.
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  Speaker 3: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny because, look, Mitt Romney over the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years has made some, I would say, principled
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  Speaker 1: and even courageous decisions around Trumpism that I applaud. They
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  Speaker 1: were just the right thing to do. I realize the
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  Speaker 1: bar is low, but it was still the right thing
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  Speaker 1: to do. A lot of other Republicans weren't doing it.
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  Speaker 1: But Mitt Romney complaining about student debt reminds me of
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  Speaker 1: why we were able to beat him in 2012. And
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  Speaker 1: it sort of made me miss that Republican Party that
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  Speaker 1: was just so open about how they're He complained about
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  Speaker 1: a wealth tax in that tweet, too. I saw Paul
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  Speaker 1: Ryan the other day, too, said he was disappointed with
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump for not talking more about cutting entitlements because
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump was too afraid to do that. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: bring back that Republican Party and we'll kick their ass.
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  Speaker 2: I'm picturing Mitt Romney having his servants get the Sunday
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  Speaker 2: newspaper and sitting there reading it in a top hat
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  Speaker 2: as someone polishes his shoes. And he's like, too many coupons.
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  Speaker 2: there's too many coupons in this newspaper. It's like, come on, man.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is, this is not the way that he's
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  Speaker 2: framing his concern with it is so, so cheap. And,
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  Speaker 2: and here's the thing. The only legitimate pushback on the
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  Speaker 2: student loan thing, even semi-legitimate, I'm not even saying I
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  Speaker 2: agree with this is the idea that inflation is something, um,
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  Speaker 2: That might be exacerbated by people continuing to have the
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  Speaker 2: amount of money that they have to spend, which I
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  Speaker 2: don't agree with. But that's like, you know, somewhat legit
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  Speaker 2: of an argument. It's a little bit wonky. It's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit in the weeds. But it's, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: would be a legitimate thing to bring up in the discussion.
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  Speaker 2: And this, it's a bribe. Other people, like, does Mitt
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  Speaker 2: Romney even know how to fill out a FAFSA form?
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  Speaker 2: I would challenge him.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he knows what FAFSA is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Also, it's like, yeah, no, we're really, this is a bribe.
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  Speaker 1: This is like a special dispensation for, you know, hardworking
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  Speaker 1: students or people who've worked hard to pay off their
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  Speaker 1: student loans. But like, let's think about oil companies getting
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  Speaker 1: tax breaks, health insurance companies getting tax breaks. Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: passed a giant tax cut for some of the wealthiest
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  Speaker 1: people in this country. Like, They didn't have any problem
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  Speaker 1: giving like very big corporations and the wealthiest individuals huge
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  Speaker 1: tax breaks that continue to this day.
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  Speaker 2: And they didn't have a problem when Donald Trump was
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  Speaker 2: threatening to slow down people getting stimulus checks in the
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  Speaker 2: mail because he wanted his signature on the stimulus checks.
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  Speaker 6: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's exhausting. I'm sorry. I interrupted you.
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  Speaker 1: No, I was just going to say it's also, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just to talk about the politics of it, like Harvard
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  Speaker 1: did a poll this week. It's the Harvard Youth Poll.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably one of the best polls of young voters
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  Speaker 1: in the country. They surveyed a total of 2018 to 29-year-olds.
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  Speaker 1: Of that poll, 85% said they favor some form of
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  Speaker 1: government action on student loan. Only 38% favor total debt cancellation,
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  Speaker 1: which I actually think this is probably where Biden ends
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  Speaker 1: up landing. And they ended up doing focus groups in
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  Speaker 1: addition to the poll. And they said that some focus
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  Speaker 1: group participants were asking whether a person making hefty wages
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  Speaker 1: on Wall Street should have their debts washed clean or
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  Speaker 1: whether relief should only be given to those in dire need.
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  Speaker 1: So you can see how Biden will probably land on
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  Speaker 1: something that means tests this in some way just so
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  Speaker 1: that it appears as fair as possible to most people
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  Speaker 1: in the country. But there is a desire among most
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  Speaker 1: young people and probably just most people in the country
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  Speaker 1: to have some kind of student debt relief. So it
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  Speaker 1: is a popular policy that he should absolutely lean into.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I also think that on the timing of this too,
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  Speaker 1: people are like, well, why did he wait so long
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  Speaker 1: to do it? Well, I do think there is a
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  Speaker 1: risk in doing this by executive order that the court
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  Speaker 1: overturns this. And I think that he would have rather
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  Speaker 1: had legislation passed to cancel up to $ 10, 000 in student debt.
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  Speaker 1: But we're about to talk about this. It doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: like The Democratic Congress that includes Joe Manchin and Kyrsten
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  Speaker 1: Sinema ever would have gotten that done. And so he
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  Speaker 1: sort of had to wait. I'm sure he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do it via legislation first. And when he couldn't do
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  Speaker 1: it now, now he's just going to do it via
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  Speaker 1: executive action.
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  Speaker 2: And there's something here that also kind of sticks out
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  Speaker 2: to me. So when Republicans want to get something deeply
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  Speaker 2: unpopular enacted or overturned, Usually they just kind of lean
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  Speaker 2: on their shady ass judges and don't try to do
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  Speaker 2: it legislatively because what they do now is just gum
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  Speaker 2: up legislation and wait for court challenges to undo popular laws, essentially.
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  Speaker 2: That's the way that they do things. So the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they are proposing counter legislation that's like, we need
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  Speaker 2: to stop this from happening, to me, betrays a confidence
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  Speaker 2: that they have that– their branding of student loan forgiveness
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  Speaker 2: will resonate with their voters. They believe that they have
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  Speaker 2: successfully made it seem as though student loan forgiveness is
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  Speaker 2: an issue that impacts pajama boy style. It's a throwback.
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  Speaker 2: White liberals, trigger warning on syllabus, tearing down staff. They
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  Speaker 2: believe that their extremely online, angry Twitter or Facebook base
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  Speaker 2: will come out to vote for them or be angered
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  Speaker 2: by this. So that's one thing that also kind of
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  Speaker 2: sticks out to me when we talk about the timing
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  Speaker 2: and the way that we're talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think they're just– I think they're sort of
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  Speaker 1: misreading the electorate on this one. Again, if they want
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  Speaker 1: to introduce legislation to keep people in debt– Great.
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  Speaker 3: Go for it. Run on that.
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  Speaker 1: You already have Rick Scott out there saying, I want
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  Speaker 1: to raise taxes on 100 million Americans. I want to
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  Speaker 1: take away people's health care. I want to cut Social Security.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get rid of Social Security and Medicare
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  Speaker 1: after five years. And now we're going to throw onto
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  Speaker 1: the pile, oh, and by the way, I want to
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  Speaker 1: prevent debt relief for millions of people in this country.
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  Speaker 3: Great. Run on that.
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  Speaker 1: That'd be perfect. So let's talk about the less good
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  Speaker 1: news here, the Manchin stuff. So there's a Politico story
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  Speaker 1: from yesterday where former Harry Reid advisor Jim Manley said
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  Speaker 1: that if the White House is still hopeful about a
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  Speaker 1: deal with Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, quote, someone is
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  Speaker 1: taking too many edibles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Wait.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like somebody doesn't know what edibles do. They
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  Speaker 2: don't make me hopeful.
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  Speaker 3: That was my reaction. I'm like, is he taking edibles?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, they just make you want to– I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: legislation was being introduced in, like, cartoon form, like Rick
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  Speaker 2: and Morty memes, I would be like, somebody's taking too
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  Speaker 2: many edibles. But regardless, that's nitpicky.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're the White House, what at this point
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  Speaker 1: do you do about Joe Manchin wasting even more time–
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  Speaker 1: Here we are in April of 2022, several months before
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  Speaker 1: the midterms. And what do you do about Joe Manchin
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  Speaker 1: wasting more time talking to Republicans about a bipartisan energy
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  Speaker 1: deal that, let's be honest, does not seem like it
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  Speaker 1: will ever come to anything that would actually put a
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  Speaker 1: dent in climate change?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing about Joe Manchin, though. Like
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  Speaker 2: his popularity since he has taken on this role has
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  Speaker 2: skyrocketed among the people who have the power to elect
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  Speaker 2: him or not elect him. In West Virginia, I think
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  Speaker 2: Trump won by double digits. And he's a Democrat from
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  Speaker 2: a deep red state. And in the past year, according
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  Speaker 2: to a morning consult poll, his approval rating has risen
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  Speaker 2: in his state from 40% to 57%. So in his mind,
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  Speaker 2: he's doing all the right things. So what Democrats need
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  Speaker 2: to somehow do is to make him understand that he's
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  Speaker 2: doing the wrong things. And by that, they somehow need
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  Speaker 2: to message to West Virginians. And I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: that looks like. I'm not from West Virginia. And I
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  Speaker 2: do know that, you know, sending people into West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: has had some mixed results because Joe Manchin is basically
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  Speaker 2: the king of West Virginia at this point, driving around
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  Speaker 2: in his Maserati like a goon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: With his high school.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a Maserati. Car people know that Maseratis are bad cars, right?
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  Speaker 3: It's like the ultimate douchey car.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you see a Maserati even in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, that douche. And this is a city full
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  Speaker 2: of Teslas. I thought you.
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  Speaker 3: Were going to say this is a city full of douches,
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  Speaker 3: which I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: That's also true.
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  Speaker 2: Douches and Teslas. I mean, it's like it elevates you
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  Speaker 2: among the baseline of douchiness of LA. I can't even
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  Speaker 2: imagine- the differential in West Virginia, but regardless, he's super
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  Speaker 2: popular in West Virginia. So how do Democrats get the
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  Speaker 2: message across that Biden's agenda benefits West Virginians without seeming
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  Speaker 2: as though they're confronting Joe Manchin or undermining Joe Manchin?
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  Speaker 2: Like they have to somehow message around him in a way?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's really hard. I mean, I think the question...
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  Speaker 1: like through the last couple of years has been, what
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  Speaker 1: does Joe Manchin really want? Which is a ridiculously hard
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  Speaker 1: question to answer because he doesn't seem like he knows
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck he wants half the time. And he'll
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  Speaker 1: like say something to reporters one day, something opposite the
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  Speaker 1: other day. I've heard that he will tell Democratic senators like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I really love that plan. And then they'll call the
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  Speaker 1: White House and say, oh, Joe Manchin wants that, wants
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  Speaker 1: my plan included in the in the reconciliation bill. And
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  Speaker 1: then the white house calls Joe Manchin and he's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I never said that. So he's like playing all sides
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  Speaker 1: all the time. And then he recently, he recently apparently
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  Speaker 1: told donors at a dinner that he's, um, that he's
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  Speaker 1: running again in 2024. And thinking about the poll numbers
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  Speaker 1: that you just cited, like I had always wondered, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: does he really think he's going to win in 2024
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  Speaker 1: in West Virginia in a state that Trump won by
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  Speaker 1: that many points? when it's only going to get more
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  Speaker 1: conservative because we only get more polarized as the years
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  Speaker 1: go on. And the fact that not only does he
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  Speaker 1: have a 57% approval overall, that poll showed that he
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  Speaker 1: has a 69% approval, nice, among.
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia Republicans. And that's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the path to re-election is if you have that
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  Speaker 1: many Republicans in West Virginia liking you, he actually might
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  Speaker 1: be able to get it done in a year where
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  Speaker 1: no other Democrat would win in West Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing from totally left field that I could
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  Speaker 2: see making Manchin kind of check himself is like a
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: primary challenge from the left. And I know that there
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: are people in West Virginia who are kind of AOC-style Democrats.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Not many of them, but the ones that are there
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: are like made of pretty strong stuff. Red state progressives
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: are really, really tough. And red state progressives coming out
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: to get a primary challenger– who's like far to the
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: left of him to beat him, would be something that could,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: you know, rattle him. Not that I necessarily want that
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: to happen. I don't want to lose the seat. But
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: that's the only thing that my, you know, poisoned brain
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: can come up with as putting any fear into him.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: But then also, you know, he can just cry himself
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: to sleep on his bed of millions of dollars that
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: he made off profiting off of pollution and coal interests.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Look, I think there is, you know, you mentioned the
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: financial interest there. I also think this guy is just
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: very high on his own supply.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Like, He is... When I was in D.C.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: The other week, I heard rumors from a couple different
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: people that he's been telling people he might want to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: run for president in 2024 as the moderate alternative to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden, which is fucking wild. But also, I think
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that this guy has spent time, not too much time
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: in West Virginia, but too much time in a lot
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of fucking green rooms and on cable shows and fucking
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: editorial boards. And he really thinks... that like he's this
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: moderate champion that's going to fucking save the country. Like
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I think he's deleted himself. And if that's how he's thinking,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I don't see how he jumps in on a Democrat-only
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: reconciliation bill at this point because why would he help
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: out the Democrats when he wants to either be the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: great bridge builder, you know, between parties or be able
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to say, you know, the Democrats went too far left
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and I was able to kill it. Like it seems
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: like those are more politically– or at least he thinks
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: those are more politically beneficial– stances to take, which is
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: just fucking infuriating.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why as any person like rises in
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the ranks through Washington, Hollywood, any like bullshit heavy space,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: it's really important for them to have one person around
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: who they cannot fire, who will tell them no.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Or like, because I think Manchin has risen past the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: point where he has fired all of the people who
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: will tell him no. It's like Kanye syndrome in a way.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: You need somebody who's going to be like this. Your
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: view of what you think people see you as doesn't—
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: not match with how you are seen. West Virginia is
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: not a large state. He is immensely popular in a
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: small state that is not necessarily in line with America
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: as a whole. And yeah, that's yikes. That's a yikes.
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough for Democrats when your 50th Senate
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: vote comes from a guy who is not only representing
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: an extremely conservative state, but maybe the only state in
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the country that is wholly dependent on one of the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: most damaging fossil fuels that you could imagine. So it's
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a pretty rough situation that I think we've all found
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: ourselves in. And I mean, it brings up a question like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you know, Biden obviously promised a fairly sweeping agenda on
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the campaign trail, most of which has been held hostage
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: by Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. Looking back, do you think
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: there's anything he could have done differently? And then I
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: guess looking forward, how do Democrats sort of energize a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: base that may be disappointed by what hasn't gotten done?
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to I don't want to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Monday morning quarterback this or, you know, next two years later.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: April quarterback this. But I think that it was maybe
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: a catch-22 for Biden because Biden had to either run
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: as a uniter. And if you run as a uniter,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: then party doesn't matter. And you get to vote for
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: your conscience, vote for who you think is the better person.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Even if you're a Republican, you can come out and
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: vote for Joe Biden. He's a uniter. Or you run
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: as a party person that's like, we need to be
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: in power as Democrats so that we can get the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Democratic agenda passed. And I think Joe Biden really tried
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to walk the line between both where he had this
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: bold progressive agenda as a candidate, but he also tried
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: to decouple the agenda slightly from the national Democratic ticket,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: if that makes any sense, which I think was something
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: that at the time it looked as though he had
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to do. And I don't know if things would have
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: been different if it would have been like, you got
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: to get out there and vote for Democrats because- Who
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: could have predicted that we would have ended up with
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: a 50-50 Senate split? But the 2020 election was not good.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Democrats underperformed in the House and the Senate in 2020.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And I think part of that is because there was
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: like a, you know, party doesn't matter. We can unite,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's just patently not true.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, look.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Could Joe Biden have set expectations lower at the beginning
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: of his administration, knowing who Manchin is and knowing who
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Sinem is? Yeah, he could have, but then he would
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: have rightly been accused of not fighting hard enough for
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: democratic priorities by people like us. I'm sure we would
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: have done that, you know? And so he sort of set,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you know, he basically said, this is going to be
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: my big agenda and I'm going to try to fight
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: for it and I'm going to try to bring Manchin
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and Sinem along. I don't think that, like, I was
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: for other candidates in the primary, but I don't think
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders or Pete Buttigieg or
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: anyone else running would have had an easier time pressuring
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema just because they get a vote.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: They represent states where they clearly have made the calculation
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that thumbing their nose at the National Democratic Party and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the President of the United States is not going to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: hurt them politically at home. Now, Manchin, I think, is
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: correct in that assessment. Kyrsten Sinema, I don't necessarily think
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: is correct, but whatever. That's what she thinks.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: She's just chaotic. She is a chaotic entity, and it's
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: impossible to figure out what she's doing at any point.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But I think maybe the calculation here was that Biden
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: could put these extremely popular policy proposals out there And
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Americans would respond well to them, like, look how popular
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: this is. And then Sinema and Manchin would be moved
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: by their better angels. And I'm using air quotes because,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: you know, Biden loves that phrase, to do the right thing.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily what they are going to do
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: or ever have done. And I'd want to just say
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: one more thing. You know, the Lucy with the football
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: comparison that is constantly coming up, it was coming up
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: during the Trump years, now it's coming up in reference
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to Joe Manchin. We need a new reference.
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: It's getting very old.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I love Greg Sargent, but stop using that reference, Greg.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Lucy with the football. How about Gene Parmesan from Arrested Development?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Because it's like you get into a situation and all
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: of a sudden he takes the mask off. It's Gene.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: Ah!
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: You know, we get into a situation where we're negotiating.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Joe Manchin is along for the ride. He takes off
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the mask. Ah, it's Joe Manchin.
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: Ah!
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Except, you know, we're not delighted by it. Um, that's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: my final thought on the matter. As you can see,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: extremely highfalutin.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Look, I think that's a, I think it's a great idea.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I think when we're looking ahead to the midterms, you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the best message is you kind of start from like
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: what the truth is. And the truth of the matter
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: is if we elect two more Senate Democrats, then we
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And I think if I was Joe Biden, I would
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: have a message that both talks about what he's done,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: talks about what he hasn't been able to get done
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: primarily because Republicans won't work with him on anything. Also
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: because he has two Democratic senators who have been extremely difficult.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And if you send him two more Democratic senators and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you return a Democratic House majority, he will be able
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to get all the rest of his agenda passed. And
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: by the way, if Republicans take over, nothing more will
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: get done. And in fact, a lot of harm could
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: possibly come to people. because we might not be able
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to confirm judges, and we might be able to confirm
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So that, I mean, look,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it is a more complicated message than anyone would certainly like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: but that's sort of the reality that we're in right now.
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: And, you know, going back to some of the popular
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: provisions that Biden proposed that Manchin and Sinema have successfully sidelined,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the care agenda is such a popular agenda, and it
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: was such a missed opportunity by Democrats. And I think
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: that Seriously, if Democrats just ran on, what, parental leave,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: family leave, a bolstered care economy? Like, somebody has to
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: take care of all these kids. Somebody has to take
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: care of all these elderly people. Somebody has to take
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: care of all these people who are suffering from long-term
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: disability as a result of long COVID. Like, the thing
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: between where we are and where we need to be
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: is literally two senators, right? And I mean, not where
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: we need to be, but getting on the path to
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: where we need to be because we're so egregiously behind.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I think that that's, you're right, it's not necessarily a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: straight as an arrow message. You can't really put it
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: on a bumper sticker. You could, but it'd be a
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: long bumper sticker. But that's kind of what we're working
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with right now.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would also bet that if the mansion thing,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: if and when the mansion bipartisan energy bullshit falls apart
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and then, you know, if reconciliation should fall apart You'll
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: probably see a lot more executive actions from Joe Biden
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: in addition to the student debt relief. And then, you know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: he'll probably take his case to the voters in the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: summer and fall. All right, let's talk about the shit
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: show on the other side. On Tuesday's pod, we came
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to the conclusion that maybe Kevin McCarthy's political future was
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: safe after his groveling apology to Donald Trump about the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: audio recording where he told Republican House members that he'd
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: had it with the former president and wanted him to resign.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But it turns out there were more audio recordings. Let's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: take a listen.
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: The other thing that we have to do is these
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: members on either, whatever position you are, calling out other members,
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: that stuff's got to stop, especially in this nature. So
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: when I get up right here, I'm going to call Gates.
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: Tension is too high. The country is too crazy. I
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: do not want to look back and think we caused
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: something or we missed something and someone got hurt. I
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: don't want to play politics with any of that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: A little too late, Kev.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: As you might imagine, some House Republicans weren't super happy
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: about that clip. Matt Gaetz tweeted that McCarthy demonstrated, quote,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the behavior of weak men, not leaders. Congressman Andy Biggs
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: called the comments incredibly undermining. And here's what Tucker Carlson
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: had to say on Fox Wednesday night.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: We do not mean certainly to suggest that it's only
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Democrats who favor censorship for political ends. Republican leaders support it, too.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: In a phone call reported today by The New York Times,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: for example. Congressman Kevin McCarthy of California told his close
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: friend Liz Cheney that he hoped the social media companies
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: would censor more conservative Republicans in Congress. Donald Trump, the
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: sitting president, had already been silenced by those companies. But
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: McCarthy wanted the tech oligarchs to do more to force
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: disobedient lawmakers off the Internet. Quote, quote, can't they take
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: their Twitter accounts away, too? Those are the tape-recorded words
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: of Congressman Kevin McCarthy, a man who in private, turns out,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: sounds like an MSNBC contributor. And yet, unless conservatives get
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: their act together right away, Kevin McCarthy, or one of
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: his highly liberal allies, like Elise Stefanik, is very likely
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: to be Speaker of the House in January. That would
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: mean we will have a Republican Congress led by a
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: puppet of the Democratic Party.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Just amazing.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Why is Tucker Carlson's broadcast voice like the voice of
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: a person reading a storybook to a child. It's like
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the intonation is like, and that's why we can't let
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: more black people into Harvard. It's like Tucker. I mean, anyway,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. The thing about that is Tucker's characterization
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: of Lee Stefanik as highly liberal is absolutely wild. So there's,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a part of me that thinks, okay, well, I guess
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: if Kevin McCarthy gets out of the way, I don't
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: like Kevin McCarthy whatsoever. I think it'd be fun to
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: watch him be sad and to have his greatest ambitions
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: dashed by the tiger that he has by the tail
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: in the far right members of Congress that he's trying
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: to wrangle. But on the other hand, I think Tucker
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: makes an interesting point because who are we talking would
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: be Speaker of the House if not Kevin McCarthy? Like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: how crazy are we talking here?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I remember Dan and I talking about
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: this when it went from Paul Ryan, who we had
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: plenty of bad things to say about, to Kevin McCarthy.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And I remember talking about it when we went from
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: John Boehner to Paul Ryan.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Each incarnation of a Republican house speaker is only going
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to get more extreme. If it's not Kevin McCarthy, is
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: it Steve Scalise? Like it's, they just, they just get
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: more extreme as you go down the line here. So
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: it's not like I've, I found myself feeling like how
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you do, which is, yes, it's fun to watch Kevin
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: McCarthy feel sad. But if Kevin McCarthy is not speaker,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it's not like that's going to be beneficial in any
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: way to the country because we're only going to have
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: someone who's more extreme. And all of these people are
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: going to have to, bend the knee to Donald Trump
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and probably Tucker Carlson. Now, look, I guess apparently McCarthy
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: went to the House caucus yesterday and met with members
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: for the first time since this audio recording came out
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and he got a standing ovation. There was a few
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus members who were still giving him shit and
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I think demanded an apology or whatever. But it does
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: make me think that ultimately he might be able to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: survive this. But also him surviving this and becoming speaker
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: means that he will only sort of go along with
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: whatever Donald Trump wants and whatever the Freedom Caucus wants
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and whatever Tucker Carlson wants more so between now and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: if he ever becomes speaker, God forbid.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I think that him lying about the veracity of the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: New York Times story, knowing that there was audio out
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: there or like probably having some inkling that there was
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: audio out there, required an audacity and an ability to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: just manufacture your own truth that might have been a
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: little bit admirable to members of the Freedom Caucus. In
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a way, him lying so.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: That's what we need. We're looking for that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah. Look at this guy. Complete shamelessness. He just
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: demonstrated the type of shamelessness that the modern GOP needs
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: in a leader. It doesn't matter that maybe he was
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: shit-talking Donald Trump as long as he sufficiently groveled. Like
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: what we need is a person who can lie knowing
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: that there are audio recordings of him doing the thing
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that he said he didn't do.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Well, so Republican Knives also appear to be out for
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: our good pal Madison Cawthorn.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: You remember him. I'll keep up with cocaine.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: A sexual get-together.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: A sexual get-together.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: A sexual get-together.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorn calling orgies a sexual get-together is my favorite.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Quote of the last month, maybe?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: A sexual get-together? Is that Netflix and chill? Like, a
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: sexual get-together.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: He got in some trouble this week for bringing a
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: loaded handgun to an airport for the second time. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: he also may have violated federal insider trading laws because
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: of a pump-and-dump scheme involving, and I'm not making this up,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Let's Go Brandon cryptocurrency.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Is Madison Cawthorn too good to be true? That's my question.
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's other things that I think that should
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: be mentioned alongside of the let's go Brandon cryptocurrency, which
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: is when he lied about training for the Paralympics in
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: a way that was very, very easy for actual Paralympians
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to debunk. Like he was posting all these things on
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: his social media accounts about how he was training and
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: all these Paralympians were like, no, he's not. He's not training.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: He's not going to the Paralympics. He's lied about a
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: lot of things. He is not a person who tells
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the truth very often. He also, I believe, I don't
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: know why I have like brain cells devoted that have
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: like stuck around that are devoted to memorizing Madison Cawthorne facts.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: But I think he was in college for one semester
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and he dropped out because he had like a D average.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: He had a creepy reputation on campus. for taking girls
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: out and being like handsy and way over the top
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: and crossing lines. And there's a lot going on with
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Madison Cawthorn. There's a lot not going on with Madison Cawthorn.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: There's certainly not a lot going on. I find it
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: very interesting that Republicans have turned on Cawthorn so quickly
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and harshly. There's now a super PAC affiliated with Republican
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: North Carolina Senator Tom Tillis that's already running ads against him.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: And it sort of, Like, why do you think they're
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: going after Cawthorn so fast and so harshly and not
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: some of the other wingnuts like your Marjorie Taylor Greene
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and your Lauren Boeberts and your Steve Kings and all
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: those people?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is going to sound very tinfoil hatty,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: but I'm nothing if not a paranoid person or somebody
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: who's always trying to look for a subtext. My thought
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: is that there is something that is well known to
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Republicans about Madison Cawthorn that they are just like, we
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: need to get this guy out of here. Like, there's
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: something about him that I think is.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, you think there's something even worse than all of
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: the stuff we just talked about?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Again, why is my brain... Why are there cuts in
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: my brain devoted to this?
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: No, I like this. This is very impressive.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I just... It's like a grudge against a clown. Like,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I'm remembering, oh, yeah, and then he squirts the water
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: out of the flower, and then he does this... He's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: got squeaky shoes. I think that there must be something
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: else that is damning, disqualifying, or harmful about Madison Cawthorne
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that is known to Republicans, or he's going to be
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: seen as somebody who can carry forward more damage than
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the other people. He's also not a particularly, I would
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: imagine that Marjorie Taylor Greene, for all of her wing nuttery,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: is an effective fundraiser for the GOP. She gets people
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to give money, which is nuts to me. What's that
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: saying about a fool and his money being easily parted
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: by Marjorie Taylor Greene? I think that Madison Cawthorn is
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: probably not really offering the status quo what it needs
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: and is maybe more of a burden than a help.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And maybe Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene are helping them
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: in ways that they're just sort of like begrudgingly accepting of.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Greene this week, by the way, said that
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the Catholic church is being run by Satan because there's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: all kinds, there's like Catholic and Christian missionaries that are
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: resettling immigrants and refugees. That's, that's where Marjorie Taylor Greene
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: was this week. But like, No problem. Silence from Republicans
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: on that. But Madison Cawthorn, you know, he's getting the boot.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: He's getting the super PAC money run against him.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: It's wild.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Wait a second. If the Catholic Church was run by Satan,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: why was like Easter so chill this year? Like Easter
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: would have been a banger this year if Satan were
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: running the Catholic Church. Like the blessing in St. Peter's
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Square would have been just completely off the chain. It
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: would have been.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I do think that, like, people like McCarthy and other
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: leaders of the Republican Party think that Green and Boebert
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and those people, like, command a large part of the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: base or at least are admired by a large part
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of the base. And Madison Carthorne probably doesn't have that connection,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: so they can, like, fuck with him a little bit more,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: which just goes to show you, like, who's really leading
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the Republicans, which is just, you know, the most extreme
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: members of the party.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: And they're fine with that.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did want to add there was a
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: comment that stuck out to me in a Madison Cawthorn
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: story either this week or last, and it was from
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: a former aide of his that was like, Madison Cawthorn
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: is a big old liar who lies about everything. And
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: like the, I don't know, every time I read a
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: story where someone is like, yeah, but I can't say,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, there's something out there about Madison Cawthorn
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: that we don't know yet that I think people are
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: just like, let's get this guy out of here. What
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: a headache.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Well, stay tuned. Stay tuned.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, we will have a
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: special climate edition of Take Appreciator with the host of
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Crooked's newest podcast, Hot Take. All right, before we go,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: we have a special climate edition of Take Appreciator, and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: we are joined by the host of Crooked's newest pod,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Hot Take, Mary Ennies-Hegler, and Amy Westervelt.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the pod.
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: Thank you. Thanks for having us.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: We're so excited about Hot Take. It's such a good podcast.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad we've been thinking about a climate podcast forever.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And you guys have done such an amazing job. And
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: we're very happy that you're part of the family. And
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: everyone listening, go please subscribe to Hot Take if you
• 38:44
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• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Now this is the part of the segment where I
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: hand it over to our chief take officer, Elijah Cohn.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Hey, Mary.
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: Hey, Amy.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Nice to meet you guys. Welcome to the network.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Hi.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: We're going to play a special climate edition of the
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Take Appreciators. So just so you know how it works,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I'm going to share some takes with you from out
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: in the content industrial complex. The producers have seen these takes.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Our players have not. They'll give their reactions and rate
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: them on a scale of one to four politicos, with
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: four politicos being the most egregious. John, Amy, and Mary,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: are you ready?
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: Scared but ready.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: Can you do a half? Can you do a half Politico?
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can give it. You can do any decimal point, percentage.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: There are no rules.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Okay. Honestly, a great question. I can't believe none of
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: us have ever thought about doing half a Politico.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: That's great. I'm into it. Okay.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: Let's see if I actually do it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Well, we're going to start with a scorcher here. This
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: one is a clip. All I'll say about it is
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry in advance. Charlotte, go ahead.
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: And as I've said before and been mocked for it,
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: the simple fact of the matter is over the course
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: of the next 100 years, when you see all these
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: maps and it's like this area will be flooded and
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: all those people will be dead. No, because they won't
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: be living there. Because as it turns out, when the
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: tide rises, people move inland. This is what has been
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: happening throughout human history. Not a huge number of people
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: were killed, presumably, when the land bridge between Russia and
• 40:07
  Speaker 11: Alaska that from which Sarah Palin could see, right? When
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: that land bridge ended up being covered up in water,
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: there weren't tens of thousands of people who died in
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: that because it took thousands of years for that to
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: be covered up by water. Slow-moving crises are not crises.
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: They're problems, not emergencies.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: So.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Ben Shapiro?
• 40:23
  Speaker 10: I would recognize.
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: Ben Shapiro?
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: I would recognize that nasal twang anywhere.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: That's why hell of a.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Welcome to the network.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: That's how we do.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: It.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I'm sorry in advance.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Baptism by fire here.
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: Oh, man.
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: Oh, man.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: What do you even say to that? You guys take
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: it first.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Mary?
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: I've heard this a million times, but I'm legit speechless. Like,
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: his whole thing is you're supposed to sell when their
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: homes get flooded, people will sell them.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: But, like, to fucking who? And also, like, there's only
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: so much livable.
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: This is so stupid. This is so incredibly stupid. But
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: I also don't believe it's stupid. I don't believe Ben
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: Shapiro is actually this stupid. I believe Ben Shapiro is
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: this heartless, and he masquerades it in stupidity. He knows
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: everybody can't move. He knows, like, he just doesn't care
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: about those people, and he doesn't think that their lives matter.
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: So the bottom line is, fuck Ben Shapiro. I never
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: want to hear that voice again.
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: But how many politicos, Mary?
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: Four and a half.
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: That's a full playbook and a half. And a snack.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: That's what we go for.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: I'm like, my skin's crawling.
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he's gross.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Amy?
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: I would also give it a full playbook because I
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: think that I agree that Ben Shapiro is not stupid
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: and I agree that he's heartless, but I also think
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: he's strategic. And this is like a very compelling talking
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: point for people.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Like, oh, yeah, that's true.
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: People will just move.
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: How?
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: Who's going to help them move? Do they have the
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: money to move? Where are they going to move?
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: And are we going to accept all those people coming
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: into this country that need to move because of sea
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: level rise? Because I'm pretty sure Ben Shapiro says no.
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I agree for maybe 4.25. I'll go slightly
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: less than Mary.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: This is one of the more awful Ben Shapiro takes.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: It is a classic, of course. Um, but yeah, the
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: idea that also that like, just.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Like everyone has the resources to just pick up and
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: move and buy, just, just move to their second or
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: third homes, uh, when their first home floods is completely insane.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And it is, I think to marry what you were saying,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: like he's just so much of climate denial, I think
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: is just justification for not giving a shit because you think, well,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: in my lifetime, I'm going to get through it and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: everyone else, well, screw them.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: That's it. So, yeah, I'm giving that the full playbook
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: Love it. Agreed. A sweep.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Love starting off with a clean sweep, full playbook, and
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: just a little reminder that Ben Shapiro's company is funded
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: in part by Boyle and Fracking Billionaires, so he's not
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: an objective commenter on this topic.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: Not at all shocked.
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: No.
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: I am scared for the next one now that I
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: know this is where we started.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Well, the next one I think is– Doing this segment,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: I've learned a lot about the current discussion on climate change.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: So this next one isn't so much politicos. We're going
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: to need to change the scale here to science fiction,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: like one to four science fictions. So this is a
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: piece from the New York Times titled, What's the Least
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Bad Way to Cool the Planet? The piece explains that
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: we can stop making climate change worse through reducing emissions,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: but repairing the damage is its own problem. It leads
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: us to this quote. To cool the planet in this century,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: humans must either remove carbon from the air or use
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: solar geoengineering, a temporary measure that may reduce peak temperatures,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: extreme storms, and other climatic changes. Humans might make the
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: planet more reflective by adding tiny sulfuric acid droplets to
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: the stratosphere from aircraft, whitening low-level clouds over the ocean,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: or other interventions. And then it goes on to explain
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: the merits of solar geoengineering. Guys, I mean, putting sulfuric
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: acid droplets into the sky, is this legit or is
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: this just complete science fiction here?
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: Okay, can I take this one?
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: Because this has literally been going on for like 20 years.
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: These guys trot this idea out every few years. And
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: there is actually, there's supposed to be a real world.
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: experiment with this over Sweden. I don't know if you've
• 44:52
  Speaker 10: heard about this in your research.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: But Harvard was doing an experiment in a tube for
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: a while and they're like, we need to do this.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: In the real world.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: And the people of Sweden, of course, are like, maybe
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: somewhere else. Because one of the many things that's potentially
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: wrong with geoengineering, A, we just don't know what other
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: things might happen.
• 45:15
  Speaker 10: This has only been tested in labs.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: And that's part of why the scientists were saying we
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: need to test this in the real world, because we
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: just don't know. And part of their reasoning also is
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: that they were, I think, probably accurately predicting that at
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: some point, some psychopathic autocrat will be like, fuck it,
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: let's just geoengineer. And we need to know what that
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: will actually do to the planet. So it is actually
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: a thing that people have been studying for a long
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: time Unfortunately, I think it's something that a lot of
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: tech billionaires have been investing in because it's like the
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: ultimate get out of jail free card.
• 45:51
  Speaker 10: It's not because it's the best solution.
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: And this is also why I feel like tech billionaires
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: are a problem when they invest in these things in general,
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: because it's basically like pointing policy in a direction that
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: suits them, not necessarily the direction that science says, oh,
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: this is an actually good solution.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Looking for the easy way out.
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: That's right. It's like the tech equivalent of a bunker
• 46:14
  Speaker 10: in New Zealand. That's it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: So I guess four science fictions. Actually, maybe three because
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: it's like legit science and there is some like, you know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: validity to the science. And I do actually think it'd
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: be helpful to understand how it works because I agree
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: that I think some psycho will pull the ripcord at
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: some point.
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: But is it a good solution?
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: No.
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: It's not.
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: My first reaction is that, you know, we have so
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: many tools at our disposal to get out of global
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: warming or not get out of it, but to reduce
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: greenhouse gas emissions that we are simply not using. And
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: so I feel like we got a lot of other
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: shit to try before we go turning off the sun.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: And so that gives me pause.
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: Just dim it, Mary.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: Just dim it. Right. Just, you know, put it on
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: level three or something.
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: What?
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: But.
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: Also, it's like big tech has disrupted a lot of things.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: It has not solved a lot of things.
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: It's disrupted the media and created this world where like
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: we have different realities, you know, so like they've disrupted dating.
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: And I want a personal apology for that. I don't
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: want them disrupting Earth. People don't have a good track record.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: They don't like.
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: Understand problems before they go solving them so like i
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: i want big tech to disrupt itself before it goes
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: disrupting the the ecosystem yes yeah so i don't know
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: how many science fictions that is it's more like a sit.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Down i'm um i'm gonna give it i'm gonna give
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: it two and a half based only on you know
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: on take appreciators usually like we give a lot of
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: politicos for people who are like purposely trying to troll
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: because they're so bad. And I feel like, I feel
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: like this, this article wasn't really trying that hard. It
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: was just sort of, um, it was a little bit
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: of wish casting. It sounds like from the science. So
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: they get, they get two and a half just for
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: being a bunch of knuckleheads.
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: Fair.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I got a really good trolly one coming up,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: but before we get to it, I just wanted to
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: ask you guys, I'm genuinely curious after prepping for this segment,
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: how do you guys view mitigation versus, um, adaptation that
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: whole debate.
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: It's not a debate it's a false debate it's a
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: both and you have to do both that's like the
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: simplest answer is just like of course it makes no
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: sense to stop trying to reduce emissions it also makes
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: no sense to just do nothing about the fact that
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: we're already seeing heat waves and more fires and floods
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: and all of that stuff you know you got to
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: do all.
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: Right The fact that that debate still exists means that
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: we're stuck in this world where we don't think global
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: warming has happened.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: You know, like the Earth has already warmed by a degree.
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: So if you're still debating this in like the 1990s when, well, actually,
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: I think the world hadn't warmed by that point.
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: Not this much though.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: It's sort of, right, right.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: Not to this like dangerous point where you're getting hurricanes
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: that evolve overnight. So I think that when we propose
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: mitigation and adaptation as being in conflict, with one another,
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: we're not recognizing how the world that we live in
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: is actually a different planet than the one we were
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: born on.
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 49:29
  Speaker 10: Good point. Cool.
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: Well, scary.
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 49:33
  Speaker 10: Troll us. Troll us.
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: Not cool.
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: Here we go.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Well, this last one is so hot, it might melt
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: the ice caps itself. It's from Fox News.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: Thank you. I'm sorry.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: It's a piece called Climate Change is Saving Hundreds and
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Thousands of Lives or Hundreds of Thousands of Lives. Here's
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: a quote.
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: Can we turn this into OK stuff?
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Here's a quote. More people died from cold weather than hot.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: A new Lancet study reports that while half a million
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: people die from heat per year, roughly 4.5 million die
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: from cold. Global warming has reduced the intensity of extreme
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: cold weather. Now we see fewer cold deaths. Guys, who
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: said it?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. Who said it?
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: Tucker Carlson?
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Good guess.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Nope. For those not watching on YouTube, Mary is stone-faced
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Hannity?
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Not Hannity.
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: I don't know anyone's name over there.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Jesse Waters.
• 50:43
  Speaker 10: Close.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Greg Gutfeld.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: You just have to go down the list of idiots
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: until you get stupider and stupider. Yeah, that's a, it's actually,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: that's a, you know what? That gets a full playbook
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: for sure because that is just an, I mean, it's
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: a tried and true trick, right?
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: That like, it's not the warming, it's the, It's the cold. Actually,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: it's good for us. Yeah, basing it all on weather.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: But you know what?
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: The way that he did that, saving lives, that's a
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: take to be appreciated. That gets a full playbook.
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, that's an intentional troll. It reminds me of
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: there was this period of time. Actually, I think they
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: still do it occasionally where like the hardcore climate deniers
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: would say, actually, more CO2 is good because it'll grow
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: more plants.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: It's like it's on par with that. So, yeah, I agree.
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: Full playbook. It's insane.
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: I'm going to give it two playbooks.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: What?
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I like this.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I like this.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm breaking all of the rules. I'm breaking all
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: of the rules.
• 51:51
  Speaker 8: And I'm doing so because, one, it is stupid. But
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: it's also incredibly dangerous. And I don't believe it's genuine.
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: I don't believe the person who said this. I don't
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: believe the person who wrote this. I don't believe the
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: person who wrote, who produced this segment believes this.
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: I absolutely, 1000% don't.
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: Just like they knew that the insurrection, you know, was
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: dangerous and people like all what we know about what
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: they say in private and what they say in public.
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: is wildly different. These people are not this stupid. They're
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: not this stupid. They're just this evil and this craven.
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: So yeah, two playbooks.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: And maybe a swift kick in the nuts.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: This is our first two playbooks. Yeah, this is definitely
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: our first two playbook plus swift kick in the nuts
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: on Take a Pre-Character.
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: Well, and then also they're taking legit research in the
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: Lancet and trying to spin it as like a proof
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: point of climate denial, you know, like just gross.
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: So they read the research. They know better. They know
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: full fucking better.
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: I guarantee they're not buying coastal property in Florida.
• 52:54
  Speaker 10: Or anything like that.
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: I guarantee that they have a bunker.
• 52:57
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: It's like, what was that Republican strategist who like, all
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: of a sudden is like, my, yeah, that dude.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: He's like, all of a sudden, my bad.
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: I lied to y'all about climate change.
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: Knew it the whole time. I got a house in
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: New Zealand. Good luck.
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: Fuck y'all.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: They know what they're doing.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Of course they do.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Yes, and on a purely execution standpoint, Greg Gutfeld's just
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: kind of a try-hard. You know, you've got to be
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: more subtle than that, in my opinion.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Not subtle enough for you, huh?
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: I know I played Shapiro earlier, and I mean, that's
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: the least subtle guy out there. Anyway, welcome to the Navarick, guys,
• 53:33
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• 53:34
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• 53:34
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• 53:35
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