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Jeff Legwold joins Kreckman and Lindahl 11-3-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Lakewell Time and a Monday Afternoon Jeff Lagwell, brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers IBW
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  Speaker 1: Local sixty eight. Start with the job, end with a career, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: I started the show with saying, fantastic victory for the
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  Speaker 1: Broncos yesterday. And I say it for this reason, like,
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  Speaker 1: if you go into the micro and break down the film,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure Sean Payton is gonna have plenty to complain about.
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  Speaker 1: But you won a game in which you lost in
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  Speaker 1: the turnover march, and you won a game in which
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  Speaker 1: bo Nicks was not particularly sharp, and you won a
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  Speaker 1: game that you did not have Patrick Sartan on the field.
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  Speaker 1: And if you have a good enough defense and a
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  Speaker 1: good enough offensive line, and you're deep enough to be
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  Speaker 1: able to win games where you have those kind of
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  Speaker 1: factors going against you, that's nothing short of absolutely fantastic
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  Speaker 1: for a team to be able to find ways to
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  Speaker 1: win football games like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Nate, I mean, I think the thing that strikes
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  Speaker 2: me is, I mean, I think in general, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as fans, maybe the Chicago Cincinnati game is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is that pedal to the metal points everywhere, and that's
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  Speaker 2: a that's a gas to watch, Yeah, But the Broncos
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  Speaker 2: game yesterday that that's a playoff profile type of game.
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  Speaker 2: And I always think if you're really going to be
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  Speaker 2: a factor in the playoffs, you have to be in
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  Speaker 2: some of those during the season. And you know, let's
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  Speaker 2: face it, there's.
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  Speaker 1: No more.
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  Speaker 2: Uh no more of a brawler of a team right
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  Speaker 2: now than the Broncos. I mean, they've they've won four
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  Speaker 2: games they trailed going into the fourth quarter and they
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  Speaker 2: haven't lost any of those you know, four and oho
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  Speaker 2: in those types of games. And they've got a defense
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  Speaker 2: in today's NFL that hasn't given up a touchdown in
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  Speaker 2: four games. I mean, that's that's not a profile you see,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think people even you know us who
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  Speaker 2: cover this stuff on a daily basis. They got forty sacks,
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  Speaker 2: the next team's twenty eight. I mean that tells you
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  Speaker 2: kind of where they're at right now. Like the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: are generally regarded to have a really good defense right now,
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  Speaker 2: and I think they've faced five fewer dropbacks than the
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  Speaker 2: Bronco have have this year, and they have twenty seven sacks.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I mean, just to put all that in perspective.
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  Speaker 2: No other team gets after the quarterback like this, and
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  Speaker 2: it's really fueling their defense. And you know, they did
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  Speaker 2: a just yesterday without Sir Tan because you're gonna have to.
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  Speaker 2: But to be able to do all that without Sir
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  Speaker 2: Tan in the lineup, I think was a really to
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  Speaker 2: me that would be the ultimate takeaway in the game.
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  Speaker 2: You were able to play that kind of game without
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  Speaker 2: your best player.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it certainly it helps to be facing Davis
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  Speaker 1: Mills largely instead of CJ. Stroud, But kind of to
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  Speaker 1: that point, Jeff, like, yeah, those edge rushers are amazing,
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  Speaker 1: Like both Benito and Cooper are amazing, But to me
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  Speaker 1: right now, like the two guys that are setting the
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  Speaker 1: pass rush apart, like there's a reason they're on the
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  Speaker 1: historical trajectory is Zach Allen and John Franklin Myers, And
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  Speaker 1: and they're they're consistent penetration up front because how many
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  Speaker 1: times did you see Davis Mills or how many times
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  Speaker 1: did you see Dak Prescott a couple of weeks ago
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  Speaker 1: of just guys trying to step up and make a
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  Speaker 1: play and there's nowhere to step to it just it's
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  Speaker 1: everything has collapsed around you and then somebody is getting
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  Speaker 1: home to be able to make the sack.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Zach Allen leads the entire NFL and
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  Speaker 2: quarterback hits. And you know, we always hear people say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sacks aren't everything, and they're not especially for
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  Speaker 2: interior guys. But for one of your interior guys to
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  Speaker 2: be leading the NFL and quarterback hits with all of
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  Speaker 2: the great pass rushers, you know, Miles Garrett, Michael Parson's
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  Speaker 2: nick Bonido, I mean, they're not leading the NFL and
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  Speaker 2: quarterback hits. Zach Allen is leading the NFL and quarterback hits.
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  Speaker 2: And this is you know, yes, they give up big
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  Speaker 2: plays because they're aggressive. You know, yesterday the big play
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  Speaker 2: to the tight end is because the quarterback makes a
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  Speaker 2: great decision. You know that it's the old school thing,
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  Speaker 2: replace the pressure with the ball and Hafanga blitzes up
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  Speaker 2: that the corner and he replaced the pressure with the
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  Speaker 2: ball right into that spot. And sometimes when you're aggressive,
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna happen. But you know, they they they limit
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  Speaker 2: those plays even while playing as aggressive as they'd like,
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  Speaker 2: which is you know, yeah it you know in a
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  Speaker 2: playoff situation that that play could be the difference. But
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  Speaker 2: right now, I think it's really an intriguing defense to
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  Speaker 2: watch because they offer up a lot of different variety
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  Speaker 2: of things some other people aren't doing.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff, you and I lived twenty fifteen together quite closely
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  Speaker 3: because I was on the broadcast crew. You were doing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of our shows, and gosh, this feels awfully similar.
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious because I asked this of Nate earlier, and
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  Speaker 3: we'll probably discuss later on in the show that Bronco team.
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  Speaker 4: You knew they'd have to go through.
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  Speaker 3: The Patriots right when I look at some true AFC contenders,
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  Speaker 3: I guess it's interesting because I don't know how I
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  Speaker 3: feel about New England yet. I'm kind of wondering, if
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  Speaker 3: you know Indy Is Are they one of those teams
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  Speaker 3: where you finally get a lost or maybe the tapes
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  Speaker 3: catching up to him.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I know Jonathan Taylor's outstanding. I don't know that they'd
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  Speaker 4: want to go back there.
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  Speaker 3: But right now, if they would have to face Buffalo,
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  Speaker 3: if they can hold up the way they're going, Buffalo
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  Speaker 3: would have to come. Hear you'd at least avoid going
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  Speaker 3: to Buffalo. I don't know if that'll flop by the
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  Speaker 3: end of the.
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  Speaker 4: Year or not.
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  Speaker 3: But how many truly great teams might this Bronco team
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  Speaker 3: have to face to get at least to the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Andy, it's the AFC, So maybe you don't face
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  Speaker 2: a great team, but you are gonna face a quarterback
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  Speaker 2: who has that adjective in front of them, probably you know,
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  Speaker 2: an MVP level quarterback. You know, uh, you know, Daniel
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  Speaker 2: Jones might win the MVP this year. But that to me,
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  Speaker 2: that's what that's why this defense is interesting because their secondary, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: is built better and good or better than anyone else
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  Speaker 2: in the league. And if you're going to fight it
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  Speaker 2: out in the AFC and you don't have an MVP
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  Speaker 2: level quarterback, well you better have a Plan B to win.
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  Speaker 2: And that's their Plan B right now. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's that's the issue. You're gonna have to beat at
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  Speaker 2: least two probably former MVP winners, if you know, I
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  Speaker 2: still believe the Chiefs are making the playoffs. Maybe I'm crazy,
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  Speaker 2: but it's hard for me to believe they're going to
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  Speaker 2: get all the way to the end of December and
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  Speaker 2: not be in the postseason. But Herbert Mahome Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, take your pick. You're gonna have to beat
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  Speaker 2: at least two of those guys to get. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones who beat the Broncos already this year and
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  Speaker 2: had one of the better games. You know, you gotta
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  Speaker 2: beat at least two of those guys to get. Whether
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  Speaker 2: their teams are great or not, their quarterbacks make them
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  Speaker 2: potentially that way.
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  Speaker 1: Talking to Jeff Legwald here on a Monday afternoon, Jeff
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Jeff, the run pass ratio in the first
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  Speaker 1: half of yesterday's game seventeen to six by my count,
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  Speaker 1: and JK Dobbins averaging six yards per carry when he
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  Speaker 1: had the football in his hands. In fact, they're opening drive.
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  Speaker 1: They came out aggressively running the football, and then Sean
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  Speaker 1: Just I don't know if he, you know, became blinded
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  Speaker 1: in one eye and couldn't see that side of his
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  Speaker 1: play sheet or what was going on. But the the
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  Speaker 1: imbalance in the play calling again yesterday, it just it
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  Speaker 1: continues to be strange because I think one thing you
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  Speaker 1: can do against Houston is run on them with your big,
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  Speaker 1: physical offensive line. And I thought they were success successful
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  Speaker 1: when they did run the ball, and yet they just
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  Speaker 1: they flat out would not commit to it. What what
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  Speaker 1: in your mind was Sean trying to do with his
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  Speaker 1: play calling yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: Well he was super excited. I asked him about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I can officially tell you that, But I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how you watch Dobbins do what he did on the
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  Speaker 2: first drive and he does not touch the ball in
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  Speaker 2: the second quarter. Dobbins had no rushing attempts in the
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  Speaker 2: second quarter, and you know, like twenty four yards on
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  Speaker 2: his first three carries. I'm just it's as vexing a
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  Speaker 2: thing about this offense as as you can see right now.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, after halftime they're they're in a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more of a better run past balance and
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  Speaker 2: they move the ball in my mind better, But you know,
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  Speaker 2: right now, they've they've got u Bo Nicks and the
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  Speaker 2: shotgun a ton, and it's hard to really sort of
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  Speaker 2: produce consistently and run looks out of the gun. And
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  Speaker 2: I think they've just decided, or he decides at times,
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  Speaker 2: that's just how they're going to attack. And I I
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  Speaker 2: look at it, you know, yesterday another long list of
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  Speaker 2: of sort of failed deep balls. That's sort of the
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  Speaker 2: default against pressure is to try and throw over all
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  Speaker 2: of it. And uh, you know, bo Nicks is forty
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  Speaker 2: eight percent completion rate right now against pressure, and that's
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  Speaker 2: not going to get it done for you. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if because they're trying to take such a
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  Speaker 2: big bite all the time, and you know they're they're
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  Speaker 2: not working the hot receivers enough closer to the line
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  Speaker 2: of scrimmage any of that. But uh, I think the
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  Speaker 2: run game again, the guy it would benefit the most
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  Speaker 2: is bo Nicks And that's my opinion. And I'll camp
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  Speaker 2: out on that hill for the rest of this season.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what I believe.
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  Speaker 3: Oh look, Dobbin's got going and so did they. But
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  Speaker 3: to your point, you know, I started the game a
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  Speaker 3: little bit late yesterday and I then go back and
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  Speaker 3: watch it all. Be honest with you, LEGI I pick
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  Speaker 3: it up second quarter and go for a while, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, is Dobbin's hurt today? Why are they not
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  Speaker 3: playing Dobbins at all? That's how long you had gone
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  Speaker 3: where you hadn't seen him, And then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: he shows back up in the fourth quarter, starts doing stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Trade deadline's coming. I know we've asked you a lot
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  Speaker 3: about it. You know, you've I want to tell everybody
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  Speaker 3: what you've told me before, and you've sat it on
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  Speaker 3: the air. Broncos are a sexy thing to write about.
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  Speaker 3: You put Broncos in there because of the national fan base,
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  Speaker 3: and let's be honest, in some cases international fan base.
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  Speaker 3: You get clicks, so everybody likes to try to link
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  Speaker 3: him to deals. I know Adam Schefter said that we've
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  Speaker 3: seen a lot of trades, more trades than in the past.
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  Speaker 3: He thinks I think he told Pat McAfee he thinks
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  Speaker 3: three more trades may go down or somewhere in that neighborhood.
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  Speaker 3: You think the Broncos will be involved in that? If
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  Speaker 3: they were, I mean again, you've kind of warned us.
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  Speaker 3: If they do do something, probably wouldn't be sexy. What's
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  Speaker 3: what's your feel about things?
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  Speaker 2: Is?
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  Speaker 3: Were what twenty four hours maybe twenty two hours out
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  Speaker 3: away from the deadline?
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  Speaker 2: You know, Andy, they they're kicking the tires, but everybody does.
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  Speaker 2: I can't emphasize enough. I see way too much reporting
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  Speaker 2: of people are making calls. Yeah, everybody's making calls because
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  Speaker 2: if you're in it, or you think you're in it,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna see if you can, you know, can you
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  Speaker 2: fix a gap you have? You know, did you have
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  Speaker 2: an injury in the last three weeks that impacts how
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  Speaker 2: you believe what your postseason chances would be. And but
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  Speaker 2: you know, Sean Payton has said publicly and privately he
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  Speaker 2: likes this roster, So I think he would have to
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  Speaker 2: be convinced of of who they would add and how
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  Speaker 2: they would fit uh in this locker room, because he
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  Speaker 2: really really likes this locker room. He doesn't want to
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  Speaker 2: just throw anybody into the pond. But yeah, they're like everybody.
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  Speaker 2: They look all they got to do is look up.
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  Speaker 2: They're tied for the best record in the NFL. Of
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  Speaker 2: course they're going to be interested in you know, once
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  Speaker 2: you're out front at this time of the year, you
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  Speaker 2: want to know, you know, can we get a little better?
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  Speaker 2: You know? And they're going to do that. But I
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  Speaker 2: don't I don't think they want to give up a
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  Speaker 2: lot and I don't think they want to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: rock the boat too much in their in their locker room.
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  Speaker 2: So it would it would have to be a deal
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  Speaker 2: that fits both the depth chart and the locker room,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, are you going to get that? You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a reason people are trading players away, so are
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  Speaker 2: you going to get that in a trade? But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're looking around, and you know, I think if they
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  Speaker 2: had a chance to add a little speed on off,
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  Speaker 2: they would without giving up too much. But again, you know,
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  Speaker 2: where where's that going? The rotation that's already a little weird,
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  Speaker 2: and all of those things. And I think we may
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  Speaker 2: see something if they think one of the injured guys
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  Speaker 2: isn't going to come back as quickly as as expected.
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  Speaker 2: But right now I'm not hearing that in any regard.
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  Speaker 3: All right, before I let you go, I am kind
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  Speaker 3: of curious because you know, Kansas City now as thereby,
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos just have to survive the Raiders, which you
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  Speaker 3: know they're already what seventy two eight and two right now?
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  Speaker 3: Where are they at seven two? They're trying to get
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  Speaker 3: to eight and two?
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  Speaker 4: That was right?
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  Speaker 3: You think there's any chance at game? Is our TV
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  Speaker 3: insider as well? Any chance that game gets moved to
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  Speaker 3: Sunday night or with a with Detroit Philly? Is that
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  Speaker 3: going to probably be in no touch because of the markets.
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  Speaker 3: Which one would they move Broncos Chiefs to Sunday Night?
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  Speaker 3: With how this may set up, I think.
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  Speaker 2: They would have had to do it already, wouldn't. They
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  Speaker 2: don't have to give them two weeks there.
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  Speaker 5: It's also it's in the two to twenty five window
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  Speaker 5: on CB.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so is that an untouchable?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's how CBS is going to view it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, DBS can protect a certain number of games, like
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  Speaker 2: they can't be flexed. Uh well, all the networks get
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  Speaker 2: get a chance to protect a short list of games,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm I'm certain CBS would think Chiefs Broncos.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a nance. Romola warned this about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well your guy, what's going on with that?
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  Speaker 2: Dude?
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  Speaker 1: The Broncos, they they do take on the Raiders coming
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  Speaker 1: up here this week. Uh, like you we did see
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  Speaker 1: bron Bauers was back yesterday and at a massive game
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  Speaker 1: for the Raiders. Uh, Gino because he's really good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Geno Smith threw four touchdown passes yesterday. Max Crosby had
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  Speaker 1: a sack. It is a deeply flawed team, but funny
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  Speaker 1: things happen in short weeks. Uh, what what do the
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  Speaker 1: Broncos have to beware of with the silver and bleak
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  Speaker 1: on Thursday night?
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  Speaker 2: Obviously Bowers, because uh, just look at some games. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Warren had a nice day against the Broncos. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know yesterday the biggest play.
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  Speaker 4: Made was Dalton Schultz.
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  Speaker 2: Was Dalton Schultz. I mean, they have got issues of
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  Speaker 2: the tight ends getting isolated, you know, in the intermediate
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  Speaker 2: area and turning those into big plays. So obviously that
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  Speaker 2: is an enormous thing. And and you know, I believe
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  Speaker 2: at some point, you know, back in the day, Broncos
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  Speaker 2: often put Champ Bailey on Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates.
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  Speaker 2: And I think John A. Barron's resume at some point,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know when, but at some point his resume
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  Speaker 2: is going to include covering some tight ends because he's physical,
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  Speaker 2: he's tough, he's a great tackler, and you know, he's
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  Speaker 2: he's I know he does hadn't gotten a snap count
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people expected, but he is playing at
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  Speaker 2: a pretty high level for a rookie. Uh and it's
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  Speaker 2: just camouflaged and all the other stuff going on. And
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  Speaker 2: when has Max Crosby not had a big day against
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos. Those would be my two things you got
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  Speaker 2: to look out for.
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  Speaker 1: Like you by the way real quickly and I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know you had to travel and everything. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how deep you are into the film study, but
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  Speaker 1: both based on watching the game and starting to chart
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  Speaker 1: it out. How how did Chris Abrams drain uh look
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  Speaker 1: to you yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: Oh he looks he looks good. He's goutty. He's got
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  Speaker 2: that Riley Moss attitude, doesn't matter what happened on the
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  Speaker 2: play before he lines up, and he he is as
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  Speaker 2: patient in coverage as any young corner I've seen. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's uh. I always say in the draft season, I
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  Speaker 2: have a little bit of an sec draft multiplier because
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  Speaker 2: those guys are just ready to be pros because of
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  Speaker 2: who they face week to week. And he fits that category,
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  Speaker 2: a really composed player and yeah, you're gonna get beat.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the that's just the way, the way of
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  Speaker 2: the world. But I think he held up very well.
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  Speaker 2: And they picked on him early and stopped frankly because
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  Speaker 2: it didn't go that well. And I think he's I
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  Speaker 2: think he's filled in great and the fact they kept
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  Speaker 2: him after the cutdown I think was a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and the right move to make, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: because you're gonna deal with injuries at some point in
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  Speaker 1: the season. Jeff Legwald, everybody ESPN dot com. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: to Jeff on Friday after Broncos Raiders. We get the uh,
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  Speaker 1: we we get the double leg walled post game week
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  Speaker 1: Hell are we gonna do.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Monday on the crag.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Weekend?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: There?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I would say, if you call me Thursday before kickoff,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I'll pick up. But that's up pay you guys.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: He guess what, Jeff, I interviewed a guy dressed like
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Andy Reid who was shirtless by the fourth quarter in
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: the Buff game.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: So at least you didn't deal with that on the weekend.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised you weren't shirtless by the fourth quarter.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Johnson was encouraging me. He's like, come on, just do it.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: It'll be funny. Ain't gonna be that funny.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be more entertaining than this thing.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Homecoming was not. Uh, it's not awesome.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Why don't you just show up at Boulder for old
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: time's sake and talk to Sherman next week?
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: It's one more ride there.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Like I'm certain you'd be excited to see me.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he would be like, yeah, let him go first.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: It's going great. It's going great, everybody.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Pencil, pencil pusher, leggy, good stuff man, Thank.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: You, thanks fellas. We'll see it all.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Right, Jeff Legwald. He joins us every single Monday on
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the show.