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The Bolt Report | 9 September · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Gus is the gold reform It.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. Victoria's labor government has released
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  Speaker 2: their Indigenous treaty document. It's a shocker. I'll go through
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  Speaker 2: that in a moment. Anthony Albanese diplomatic image has hit
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  Speaker 2: a roadblock. I'll be joined by Peter Jennings to discuss that.
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  Speaker 2: Said at the bat Canavan will join me to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the ongoing coalition in fighting. And remember those face
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  Speaker 2: masks they made us wear during COVID, how could you forget?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's now concerns.
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  Speaker 2: We've created a chemical time bomb as they decompose.
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  Speaker 1: All of that shortly.
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  Speaker 2: But first, former Green's leader Adam Bant has been announced
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  Speaker 2: as the new leader of the Australian Conservation Foundation, which
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  Speaker 2: is well surprising. When was Adam Bant about conservation? He
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  Speaker 2: spent five years transforming Bob Brown's Greens from an environmental
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  Speaker 2: party into a political protest group.
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  Speaker 1: So after he was rejected by the people of.
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne back in May, I thought for sure he'd ended
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  Speaker 2: up heading an organization campaigning for I don't know LGBTQ
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  Speaker 2: rights or maybe leader lobby group focused on petitioning companies
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  Speaker 2: to boycott Israel. I mean, this is how he signed
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  Speaker 2: off on his time leading the Australian Greens.
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  Speaker 3: I want to also particularly thank everyone who had the
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  Speaker 3: courage to speak up against the invasion of Gaza and
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  Speaker 3: spoke out for peace in Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: The invasion of Gaza, there's one thing never misses. It's
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  Speaker 2: a chance to declare that the barbarians have a point.
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  Speaker 2: But now that he's not leading the Greens, Adam band
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  Speaker 2: is going to do something completely different. He's going to
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  Speaker 2: focus on the environment, the irony. He released this video yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Adam Bant and I'm excited that next year I'll
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  Speaker 3: be the new CEO of ACF, Australia's largest people powered
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  Speaker 3: movement for nature and climate. It's never been more important
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  Speaker 3: to make our voices heard. Nature is in crisis. People
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  Speaker 3: are sweltering through hot summers and worse, bush fires and
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  Speaker 3: floods are destroying homes. We need parliament to protect koalas
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  Speaker 3: and people, not big gas corporations.
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  Speaker 4: This could be the parliament that stops extinction.
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  Speaker 2: Bant couldn't even stop the Greens from going extinct in Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: Under his leadership, the Koalas will be safe, but the
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  Speaker 2: Australian Conservation Foundation, well they'll be in danger of extinction.
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  Speaker 2: According to the Foundation, Bant was chosen from a field
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  Speaker 2: of more than three hundred candidates. If Adam Bant does
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  Speaker 2: to the Conservation Foundation what he did to the Greens,
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  Speaker 2: you'll turn it into a protest movement that's about everything
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  Speaker 2: except the environment. Bant always claimed he was fighting for
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  Speaker 2: the environment, but under his leadership, the Green spent more
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  Speaker 2: time fighting for Palestine than Koala's and they seemed way
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  Speaker 2: more concerned about trans rites than about I don't know
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  Speaker 2: the Murray Darling.
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  Speaker 5: Basin authorized by j McColl Australian Greens camera.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's going to bring that same laser focus to
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Conservation Foundation. So congratulations to the Foundation. You
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  Speaker 2: didn't hire a conservationist. You hired a professional activist with
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  Speaker 2: a gift for turning every issue into a rally against
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  Speaker 2: Western civilization. To be honest, nature deserves better If you
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  Speaker 2: want to make a difference to the environment. Instead of
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  Speaker 2: hiring Adam Bant, I should have planted a tree. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the state of Victoria is about to be completely re engineered,
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  Speaker 2: not to fix the trains, and not to save the hospitals,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly not to deal with the crime crisis. If
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  Speaker 2: Jacenter Allen has her way, seven million people will be
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  Speaker 2: impacted by the mystical claims of sixty five thousand indigenous people.
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  Speaker 2: According to the government's treaty document release today, Victoria's sixty
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  Speaker 2: five thousand Aboriginals enjoy and I quote a sacred relationship
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  Speaker 2: with country. The preamble to the document says this relationship
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  Speaker 2: was quote born at the first sunrise and sustained for
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  Speaker 2: over sixty thousand years. If your average farmer claimed a
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  Speaker 2: sacred relationship with his paddock stretching back to the first sunrise,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be laughed out of the planning office. But I digress.
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  Speaker 2: When you put the phrase sacred relationship with country in
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  Speaker 2: a government report, a cultural belief suddenly becomes the basis
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  Speaker 2: of legislation.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what happened today.
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  Speaker 2: Today, the Victoria Labor government introduced its statewide Treaty Bill.
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  Speaker 2: It creates a new Victorian Indigenous Council to be called
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  Speaker 2: yelag Wal. Think Albanese's failed voice to Parliament. If the
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  Speaker 2: voice had swallowed three protein shakes and a red bull.
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  Speaker 2: It's thirty three representatives will be elected, but only Indigenous
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  Speaker 2: Victorians will be permitted to vote for them, and in
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  Speaker 2: the gerrymander to end all gerrymanders, the Indigenous Body will
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  Speaker 2: have the power to decide who can and who cannot
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  Speaker 2: claim to be Indigenous and therefore vote for them. That's
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  Speaker 2: like letting Colling would not only umpire their own matches,
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  Speaker 2: but decide who gets to play for the other side.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like Nonindigenous Victorians have been forgotten altogether.
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  Speaker 1: Though.
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  Speaker 2: They'll get to fund this body to the tune of
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  Speaker 2: seventy million dollars a year. It's a kind of compulsory
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  Speaker 2: diversity tax. So what will this high priced race based
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  Speaker 2: bureaucracy do. Well, let's start with the kids, because let's
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  Speaker 2: be honest, it always starts with the kids. This body
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  Speaker 2: will develop a curriculum teaching school children from prep to
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  Speaker 2: year ten about the enduring harm of colonialism, dispossession, and injustice.
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  Speaker 2: So forget reading, writing, and arithmetic. The new curriculum is guilt,
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  Speaker 2: grievance and government approved truth. Your kids might not graduate
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  Speaker 2: fluent in maths or in English, but they'll have certainly
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  Speaker 2: mastered perpetual resentment and when those kids graduate to work
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  Speaker 2: in the public service. By the time most of our
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  Speaker 2: kids finish school, public servant to be about the only
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  Speaker 2: job left well. The Indigenous Body will still govern their lives.
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  Speaker 2: You see, if the Victorian government get what they want,
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  Speaker 2: the newly created group will oversee the creation of training
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  Speaker 2: programs and workplace guidelines to ensure public sector employees are
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  Speaker 2: and I quote, culturally capable. Your guests is as good
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  Speaker 2: as George Orwell's on what that means. But more ominously,
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  Speaker 2: the group will set key performance indicators to assess public
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  Speaker 2: sector executives on their cultural competency. If you thought KPIs
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  Speaker 2: were bad when they involved sales figures, just wait until
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  Speaker 2: your career hinges on whether or not you demonstrated enough competency.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine losing your job because you didn't acknowledge country with
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  Speaker 2: enough emotion in your last quarterly report. While the Body
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  Speaker 2: won't have the authority to appoint people to government boards, amazingly,
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  Speaker 2: it'll be given the right to veto candidates who lack
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  Speaker 2: the appropriate cultural heritage experience. That's tribal gatekeeping. Little wonder
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  Speaker 2: First People's Assembly co Chair Narah Murray told journalists today
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  Speaker 2: and I quote, we stand at the beginning of a
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  Speaker 2: new era, the treaty era. We're at a turning point
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  Speaker 2: in this nation's history. Treaty offers us the chance to
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  Speaker 2: reshape the story of this country. Well, there's no doubt
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  Speaker 2: about that. And there's more. The new body will also
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  Speaker 2: be made the naming authority for geographical features in Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: So expect your GPS to start pronouncing place names like
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  Speaker 2: it's drunk. But if you think that's the last of it,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be wrong. The group will also be given the
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  Speaker 2: power to facilitate individual treaties between all the Victorian Indigenous
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  Speaker 2: groups and the state government. Now, this obviously paves the
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  Speaker 2: way for potentially dozens more individual treaties, which many believe
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  Speaker 2: will probably include reparations.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's this.
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  Speaker 2: They even get a dedicated named room within the Parliament
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  Speaker 2: of Victoria so they can host functions and have Indigenous
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  Speaker 2: representatives achieve unvetted access to the Parliamentary building. Call thirty
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  Speaker 2: seven million dollars has been set aside to fit out
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  Speaker 2: that room, a kind of VIP room for one race only. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if that sounds suspiciously like a second Parliament within the
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  Speaker 2: Victorian Parliament.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: It comes dangerously close to seven million Victorians living under
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  Speaker 2: two parliaments, one accountable to you, the other accountable only
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  Speaker 2: to those who claim Indigenous descent to Allen has warned
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  Speaker 2: the opposition not to engage in quote deliberate misinformation, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like those wicked souls who oppose the Voice.
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  Speaker 6: What I would hope as we take this incredibly important
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  Speaker 6: bill through the Victorian Parliament is that political political opponents,
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  Speaker 6: or indeed opponents to this bill do not go down
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  Speaker 6: the path that we saw in twenty twenty three, a
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  Speaker 6: path of deliberate misinformation, at times just outright lies that
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  Speaker 6: were being peddled about what this actually was.
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  Speaker 2: She's kidding, isn't she. I don't think opponents will resort
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  Speaker 2: to lying about the treaty. It'd be impossible to exaggerate
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  Speaker 2: just how shockingly racist and divisive Labour's proposal is.
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  Speaker 6: This is a moment that the Opposition have to grasp
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  Speaker 6: to drive better change for Aboriginal Victorians because we all
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  Speaker 6: benefit as a society. And I still hold out a
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  Speaker 6: little bit of hope that they might find it in
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  Speaker 6: their hearts, but also importantly in their.
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  Speaker 1: Heads that they might find it in their heart.
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  Speaker 2: Translation, if you oppose me, it's because you're either cruel
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  Speaker 2: or stupid. That's typically the way Justinto Allen operates. She
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  Speaker 2: learned it from Dan Andrews. You put forward the most
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous ideas and then you shame anyone who notices. Just
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  Speaker 2: Into Allen said that the voice like body would have
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  Speaker 2: input into every area of policy that affects Indigenous people.
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  Speaker 6: But how it will bring changes because it will be
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  Speaker 6: a requirement under law for governments, for agencies, for departments
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  Speaker 6: to not just listen, but actively consult and then be
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  Speaker 6: held to account.
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  Speaker 2: So, unlike ordinary citizens who can be ignored, gaalum Wall
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  Speaker 2: must be listened to and actively consulted. Imagine that ordinary
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  Speaker 2: taxpayers who fund the whole circus are usually rewarded with
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  Speaker 2: a form letter when they contact their local MP, but
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  Speaker 2: the Indigenous Assembly, they get a legal guarantee that they
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  Speaker 2: must be listened to and consulted. That's not representation, that's reverence.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the Victorian State Labor
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  Speaker 2: government is putting the interests of the sixty five thousand
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  Speaker 2: Victorians who claim indigenous assent at the center of the
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  Speaker 2: governance of a state of seven million people because of
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  Speaker 2: their spiritual connection to the country. That's not democracy, that's theology.
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  Speaker 2: And Australians rejected the voice because they understood dividing citizens
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  Speaker 2: by ancestry. Well, it's undemocratic. Just Senta Allen has decided
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  Speaker 2: those voters were wrong. See here we are seven million
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  Speaker 2: people governed not by reason, not by democracy, but by mysticism.
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  Speaker 2: It's not government, it's a new religion. And Victorian taxpayers
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  Speaker 2: are expected to tithe. By the way, some of you will,
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  Speaker 2: no doubt wondering the name of this new indigenous body, Gealangois.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean? Does it mean unity? Does it
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  Speaker 2: mean reconciliation, Does it mean healing?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, and no.
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  Speaker 2: The name literally means, according to an report in the
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne Age, tip of the Spear, you can't accuse them
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  Speaker 2: of trying to hide their intent. And one last thing.
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  Speaker 2: A journalist tried to ask us into Allen today. Why
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  Speaker 2: this was the first the public had heard from her
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  Speaker 2: on camera, given that in the past week Victoria's had
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  Speaker 2: two police officers shot, two young boys hacked to death
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  Speaker 2: with machetes, a state generally falling apart.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's the response.
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  Speaker 7: Given that it has been a week of division and
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  Speaker 7: we've released several statements, is there a reason the.
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  Speaker 5: Public hasn't heard from you on camera for about a week.
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  Speaker 7: Given the crisis that the state seems to be in,
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  Speaker 7: the public seems to keep wanting.
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  Speaker 6: I'll answer that, but I just do want to make
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  Speaker 6: sure we close out any other questions on treaty.
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  Speaker 1: What can you do but shake your head.
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  Speaker 8: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now is Victorian Shadow Minister for Indigenous Affairs
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  Speaker 2: Melina Bath. Melina, thanks for coming on the program tonight.
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  Speaker 2: This treaty legislation is a slap in the face to
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  Speaker 2: the majority of Victorians who less than two years ago
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  Speaker 2: voted no to Labour's Voice to Parliament, isn't it?
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  Speaker 9: Hello James, and hello to your viewers.
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  Speaker 8: Look, we understand that Victorians need to be treated equally
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  Speaker 8: and what we're seeing through the Treaty Bill that's coming
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  Speaker 8: through parliaments. It's coming to Parliament today in the Lower
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  Speaker 8: House and going to progress through to the Upper House.
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  Speaker 8: We understand that unfortunately this is a devisive bill. It's
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  Speaker 8: creating two sets of people. We know that we should
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  Speaker 8: be able to govern for all Victorians, independent of race, background,
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  Speaker 8: religion color.
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  Speaker 9: That's what we want to see.
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  Speaker 8: We know that this is dividing communities, and indeed there
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  Speaker 8: is not unity within our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island
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  Speaker 8: of Victorians. There is no one consensus about this. And
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  Speaker 8: I've spoken with people today who are from Abridginal Torres
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  Speaker 8: Straight Islander background and.
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  Speaker 9: Are opposed to this treaty bill.
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  Speaker 8: I've had emails coming in in a thick and fast.
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  Speaker 8: So we're concerned that it creates another significant, powerful statutory
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  Speaker 8: body with significant ongoing legislative funds that increase year on year,
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  Speaker 8: that there's an opt in for further funds. And what
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  Speaker 8: we're very concerned about is that it does not formulate
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  Speaker 8: the outcomes for closing the gap targets Nationally, states have
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  Speaker 8: signed up to improving certain criteria closing the gap, and
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  Speaker 8: this legislation does not all into that zone and commit
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  Speaker 8: to those outcomes.
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  Speaker 9: Now, I've been traveling around the state.
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  Speaker 8: I've been listening to Aboriginal corporations at coos as they're
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  Speaker 8: called community led organizations health organizations, and we don't need
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  Speaker 8: a treaty. We don't need a statutory body to tell us.
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  Speaker 8: And I've been listening to understand that there are issues
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  Speaker 8: out there that need to be addressed. There are dentists
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  Speaker 8: that need to be coming into the zone in Mildrua,
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  Speaker 8: that there are children in out of home care at
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  Speaker 8: alarming rates. We believe the Liberals and Nationals believe that
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  Speaker 8: we need to focus very seriously on addressing disadvantage and
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  Speaker 8: building people up.
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  Speaker 9: But a statutory body that's all.
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  Speaker 8: Powerful, that does not have to respond to the minister
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  Speaker 8: and the minister has no jurisdiction over is not the
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  Speaker 8: way to go.
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  Speaker 2: You've talked a lot about listing to Indigenous Victorians, and
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  Speaker 2: that's very important because the point is to try to
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  Speaker 2: help Indigenous people. But what about non indigenous people? This
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  Speaker 2: treaty is just out and out racist, is it not?
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  Speaker 9: Well.
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  Speaker 8: We believe that the Liberals and Nationals believe that we
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  Speaker 8: should be governing for all Victorians and that's our pledge
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  Speaker 8: when we get to government in November next year. We
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  Speaker 8: want to see these good.
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  Speaker 1: Outcome I understand.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I understand that, but the treaty before the Parliament,
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  Speaker 2: as proposed by the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 1: Would you agree it's just plain racist, James.
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  Speaker 9: We want to see good outcomes.
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  Speaker 8: I also don't want to if I say, you know,
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  Speaker 8: engage in activity, that's not worthy.
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  Speaker 9: We believe that this is a broad device. If we
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  Speaker 9: don't want we don't.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't. I don't mean to interrupt you.
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  Speaker 2: But if it divides Victorians by race, then by definition
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  Speaker 2: it's racist, isn't it.
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  Speaker 9: They're your words.
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  Speaker 8: I'm really focused, really focused on governing for all, really focused.
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  Speaker 9: It's my job.
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  Speaker 8: It's my job to support Aboriginal Victorians who are disadvantaged.
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  Speaker 8: But it is not fair that we have taxpayer funded
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  Speaker 8: money going to set up a statutory.
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  Speaker 9: Body with huge authority.
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  Speaker 8: We've got a minister who with no oversight, nobody can
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  Speaker 8: in actual fact reject or dissolve this body.
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  Speaker 9: The only way it can be resolved is.
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  Speaker 8: Through the treaty authority, and we don't believe that it is.
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  Speaker 9: The right way to go.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 2: If the treaty has passed into law, will your party
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  Speaker 2: repeal it and get rid of it?
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  Speaker 1: If you win government next year and at that.
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  Speaker 8: Point in time where it hasn't passed into parliament, it
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  Speaker 8: hasn't passed through parliament, we have a different policy. I'm
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  Speaker 8: working on that policy. It is certainly not the treaty,
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  Speaker 8: and I'd be really happy to come on and explain
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  Speaker 8: it to you when it's through our parliamentary process, which
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  Speaker 8: is a few weeks away, and it's about making sure taxpayer.
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  Speaker 9: Funds are directed.
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  Speaker 8: Well, they have proper outcomes for closing the gap, but they.
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  Speaker 9: Do not divide this state of Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: So I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: If this treaty is as bad as you say, and
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you, why wouldn't you just tonight tell
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  Speaker 2: all of Victorians you elect us and this treaty will
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  Speaker 2: be put in the bin. I mean, surely that's what
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  Speaker 2: Victorians would want to hear from a conservative government.
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  Speaker 8: I completely agree. At this point in time. The reality
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  Speaker 8: is we have a process through the Liberals and Nationals,
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  Speaker 8: and I'm a process girl, because we need to really
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  Speaker 8: ensure that we can.
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  Speaker 2: Make How much process do you need for something so
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  Speaker 2: how much process do you need for something so divisive?
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  Speaker 9: That's fine, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 8: Invite me back on in two weeks and I'll be
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  Speaker 8: able to make also lots of.
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  Speaker 9: Commitments, but it's not my way.
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  Speaker 8: But please feel assured that we will be opposing this legislation.
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  Speaker 8: And James in the Upper House I will be asking
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  Speaker 8: multiple questions to outline how and why this is not
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  Speaker 8: the way to go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Melina Bath, I would love to have you back
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  Speaker 2: on the program in two weeks for you to tell
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  Speaker 2: Victorians that if you get into government, this thing is gone.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would be very supportive
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  Speaker 2: of you if you came up with that pledge. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for joining me tonight already to appreciate it well. Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi likes to project himself as the ultimate diplomat, but
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  Speaker 2: that notion hit a slight roadbump today. According to The Australian,
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  Speaker 2: the signing of a five hundred million dollar security and
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  Speaker 2: economic agreement with Vanuatu is to be deferred. And why well,
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  Speaker 2: it appears the Vanuatu government has some concerns about clauses
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  Speaker 2: in the deal that would restrict Chinese investment in the
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  Speaker 2: nation's infra structure. Joining us now that discuss is Peter Jennings,
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  Speaker 2: Director of Strategic Analysis Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Peter, thanks for coming on the program.
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  Speaker 2: How important is this security deal with Vanuatu and how
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  Speaker 2: telling is it that Vanuatu's government have boughked at it
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  Speaker 2: because China does appeal.
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  Speaker 10: It has the potential to be important. I mean, we
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  Speaker 10: really don't know if the security deal is going to
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: work or know how effective it's.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Going to be.
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: Lots of deals get signed with Pacific island governments, James,
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: but what I can tell you is that the geography
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: of Vanuatu is very important to Australia. In the Second
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: World War, you know, we and the Americans and other
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: countries fought extremely hard to prevent and then to dislodge
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: the Japanese Imperial Army from the Melanesian islands that run
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: down Australia's east coast. It was a vital step in
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: essentially turning the direction of Second World War around, which
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: made it possible then for the Americans to come and
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: operate in Australia in such large numbers.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: That's the strategy.
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: And so the message to Vanuatu is we can't afford
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: to let our security here be compromised, because the Chinese
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: embassy in Port Vila tells you that something about this
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: agreement is not acceptable. And I think a problem here, James,
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: is that too often now Australia has always been dealing
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: with Pacific island governments. On the upside, here's more money,
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: here's support for your rugby teams, his new treaties, new
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: defense forms of cooperation.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: We need to get the message.
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: Across to Pacific Island governments that we're doing this because
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: we have vital national security interests at stake here and
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: those countries need to listen to those interests. Otherwise we're
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: going to be permanently played by the Chinese, who will
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: always spend more than us, who will work hard to
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: corrupt certain members of the political elites of some Pacific
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: Island countries. That's what we're up against. And I do
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: hope that while the PM is in town in Port Vila,
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: he sort of expresses these interests in very plain ways
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: to make it clear that Vanuits who cannot be casual
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: when it comes to dealing with Australian security interests.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Indeed, I want to go to the Middle East now,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: where Palestinian terrorists have opened fire on morning commuters in Jerusalem,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: killing six and Injuring twelve. Dashcam footage shows people scrambling
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: for cover as the attack unfolded, and the warning this
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: footage may be distressing.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: I remember.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Now, Peter, the terrorists.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Who were shot dead had been smuggled into Jerusalem from
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the West Bank speaking of the West Bank. While all
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: this was going on, who was UK PM Kiirstama meeting
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: with Muhammad Abbas Palestinian Authority president. Here they are sitting
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: down together shaking hands as the UK mull over recognizing
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: So PD, you've got the West.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Planning recognition of Palestinian statehood even as Palestinian terrorists burted
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Jews in Jerusalem.
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: So what it shows, as James, is that Mahmud de
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: Bass is not in charge of the West Bank. He
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: can't stop these types of terror acts from taking place.
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: And in the past West Bank authorities have celebrated those
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: acts by actually paying pensions to the families of terrorists
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: which have been killed. It underlines to me the reality
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: that it is simply wrong at the stage for respectable
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: democracies of the type that Australia and the UK are
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: or used to be anyway, to be recognizing a state
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: which is likely to continue to engage in acts of
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: terrorism against Israel. And more broadly, you know, I think
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: we haven't seen out of the West Bank. Has been
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: a significant uptake uptick in terrorist actions over the last
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: couple of years since Gaza. I hope that's not what
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: we're about to see taking place now. This harks back
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: to the interfada of past years where many people were killed.
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: But bottom line, it is utterly wrong for Western democracies
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: to be seeking to recognize a Palestinian state that is
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: only going to create a stronger platform for these types
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: of terrorist acts to take place. And I hope that
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: the UK and Australia and other countries which have said
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: they are going to provide this recognition, that the UN
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: later this month now reconsider and pause and create some
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: stronger expectations of what the Palestinian authority should do before
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: recognition just flows from democratic states.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Well, there was some good news for Israel from the UK.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: The British government has announced it doesn't consider Israel's actions
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: in Gaza to be genocide, which is.
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: A good thing, James, because they're not, I mean, they're
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: self evidently not. And simply turning this term genocide into
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: a form of yet another form of international campaigning against Israel, frankly,
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: I think has been absurd and I think the English government,
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: the British government, much as it would potentially like to,
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: at least on its radical fringes, make the case for
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: genocide has had to accept that under international law it
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: is not. What is happening has been. Israel has fought
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: a pretty difficult war in Gaza to defend itself against
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: terrorist attack. That's a legitimate thing for a state to do.
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: It doesn't amount to genocide, and the Starma government has
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: had the honesty in a kind of roundabout way to
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: actually now recognize that that's the case.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go, Peter Clima, crusader turned Propelstinian
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: activist Greta Tunberg who garz Abound boat has been hit
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: by a drone or maybe an electrical vault on board the.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Vessel caused the fire. I don't know. Greta claims it
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: was a drone strike.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: The alleged attack occurred just off the Tennisan coast at
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: eleven thirty pm local time.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Have a look, Yeah, there's.
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: The fire on the front deck.
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: We've been hit.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Where's the fire extingshut.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: So, Peter.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: The Freedom flotilla up in Flames. Tennessean authorities though say
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: no drone has been detected. I guess those who are
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: part of the flutilla would love it to be a
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: drone because that would be a propaganda coup for them,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it.
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: I mean maybe it was a primer stove with a
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: kettle of macrobiotic lentils, or something got knocked over, James,
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: I don't know what was the cause of this thing.
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: One wonders if this group of people actually have the
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: seamanship skills to take a flotilla all the way to Israel.
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: So I'm not going to speculate about what it is
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: that caused it, but you shall we say. I think
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: there are people around here. If they wanted to do
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: damage to that ship such that it couldn't progress, damage
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: would happen to the ship. I suspect it's more likely
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: something's gone wrong in terms of the cruise management of
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: this vessel, and we should just be grateful that people
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: don't appear to have been hurt as a result of that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, I think you're absolutely right, Peter Jennings, thanks
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: for joining me tonight. We'll stick around because after the break,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party continued to run a circus of a
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: senator justint and Nampajim for prices comments on Indian migration.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I'll get you the latest there.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: What an embarrassment, plus the coalition promises to reinstate death
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: symbols in the Australian military. What's all that about. Matt
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Canavan will join me next. Welcome back to the program.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in National Senator Matt Canavan. Matt, welcome
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to the program. Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Melandari McCarthy has
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: described the Victorian Treaty legislation as and I quote, a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: great first step.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: For the nation.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe clearly have their site set on doing this right
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: around the country, don't they.
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: Yes, it's sort of a comment that encourages me to ask,
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: I've got more questions here, what's the second step here? Because,
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: as you say, the Australian people fundamentally rejected this. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: mean already the Victorian government is thumbing its nose at
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: the Victorian people, who overwhelmingly, like the rest of Australia,
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: except in the Act, campaigned or said they would not
• 28:35
  Speaker 12: want this. They don't want the voice to come into Australia.
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: They don't want our country to be divided into different
• 28:41
  Speaker 12: types of race already types so we should be all Australian.
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: So I see nothing in what the Victorian government is
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: doing that's going to actually help indigenous people, bar the
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: few that might get jobs in the no doubt inflated
• 28:55
  Speaker 12: bureaucracy as a result of this decision. And then all
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: it's going to do is further divide us as a country.
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: Were divided enough. There's a lot of tension, there's been protests.
• 29:06
  Speaker 12: We actually need leaders that bring us together as Austrains.
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: That's what I think most people want.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I want to talk to you about the ongoing
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: furor surrounding Senator Jacinta Napajibra Prices comments on Indian migration.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: That circus just keeps rolling on. As a member of
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the coalition, you must be pulling your hair out. I mean,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: we've got a shocking federal government. Who are getting a
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: free ride? Will the liberals argue over who should apologize
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to who?
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: Look, I'm not quite at that stage, James. I mean,
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: it's not ideal, you know, I prefer to be talking
• 29:42
  Speaker 12: about other things. But look, I'm sure this will be
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: forgotten about very quickly as well. Just sent as a
• 29:48
  Speaker 12: great colleague. She is an absolute rock star politically, and
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: I'm sure she'll bounce back from this, as she has
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: said she regrets her comments. Look, I think the lesson
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: of this is a bit similar to what I just
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: answered too, that I suppose to sin To found herself
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: speaking about identity politics, talking about Australians as different groups,
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: and ironically she's campaigned against that, so she said she
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: regrets that, regrets doing that, and it's a lesson to
• 30:13
  Speaker 12: all of us that we should just treat all Austraians
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: as Australians, as individual human beings. And our task now
• 30:19
  Speaker 12: in the next couple of years is to decide how
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: we think we are going to be able to help
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: most Australians, all Australians have a better life.
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: Now.
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: It doesn't matter what ethnic backgrounds you are, what sex
• 30:31
  Speaker 12: you are, what gender you are. I just want to
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: help all Australians. That's what we should be our number
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: one focus. And we should totally reject the politics of
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: identity that the Labor Party specializes in and as I say,
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: all it does is divide our country and normally it
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: leads to no good results for people at the end
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: of the day.
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: Either.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with you on that, but just one thought.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: You say we shouldn't talk about ethnicities, but if you're
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: going to talk about immagris, then by definition, you're going
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: to end up talking about ethnicities, aren't you.
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: Well not quite. I mean, I think the issue of immigration,
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: as I've said time and time again in recent weeks,
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: is that we're just taking in too many people. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: when you're take in people from different cultures, the issue
• 31:14
  Speaker 12: there is, well, we need to assimilate people. And I
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: think that's the word we've lost from this, that anyone
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: coming here from overseas from a different culture needs to
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: at time, so at some time, at some approriate time,
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: if they're going to become an Australian citizen, assimilate to
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: our culture and our way of life. That's how we've
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: been able to be such a successful nation in taking
• 31:36
  Speaker 12: in so many people, because as we've taken people in,
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: we've welcomed them, We've outstretched our hand to them. But
• 31:42
  Speaker 12: the quid pro quo is they have adopted our values
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: and continue our harmonious culture, our fair go, our rejection
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: of any snobbery, or it doesn't matter who your parents are,
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: we're all equal. So I hope that's what we've got
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: to continue. The problem is not the ethnicities per se,
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: It is taking in five hundred thousand people a year
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: a city the size of Canberra. That just does test
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: our welcome matt to its limit. That many people coming
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: in that quickly, it makes it very, very difficult to
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: have that type of assimilation program that has been so
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: successful in the past. That's the big issue here on
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: to keep Australian culture. I want to keep our way alive.
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: I want to keep our economic prosperity. That should be
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: the focus of our migration program.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, very good point.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about an announcement from
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor today promising to scrap the ban on death
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: symbols that are used by Australian soldiers or were used Rather,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Angus Fraser said he will stand up to military chiefs
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: if the party wins the next election once again allow
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: soldiers to use insignia like the skull on the crossbones
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and the grim Reaper. He said he wants a military
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: that projects fear.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Defensive Minister Richard Miles argues this is needless culture war stuff.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: But culture is important when it comes to the defense
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: force and that's what Angus Fraser is getting at, isn't.
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: He absolutely right?
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: And the culture war was begun by this government who
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: decided to outlaw this stuff, right. I mean, that's the
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: war has been a culture war on the culture of
• 33:20
  Speaker 12: our defense forces, imposed on them by their betters, by
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: their superiors who think they know better. I mean, I
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: think we should let the men and women who are
• 33:27
  Speaker 12: actually on the front lines. And I'm not I'm going
• 33:30
  Speaker 12: below the officer class here. In modern warfare, typically officers
• 33:34
  Speaker 12: won't themselves have their physical safety at risk, but those
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: below those on the front lines, I reckon they should
• 33:42
  Speaker 12: get to determine what type of culture they need to
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: keep morale high to see themselves through the most challenging
• 33:49
  Speaker 12: circumstances that none of us can probably even father fathom.
• 33:52
  Speaker 12: If they think that a skull and crossbone or Viking insignia,
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: whatever it may be, helps them become a better killing
• 33:59
  Speaker 12: Mashie Gene, that's their job. Their job is to kill
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: our enemies. If that helps them, I'll back them one
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: hundred percent. That's what I want to do. Just back
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: our troop. Matt Ken I don't think the government's doing
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: that by imposing these ridiculous rules.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I absolutely agree, absolutely agree. Thanks Matt for joining me tonight.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Well after the break, Remember all those COVID masks we
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: were forced to wear. Well, now they're being described as
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a chemical time bomb. Plus a Palestine flag waving protester
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: on horseback on Bondai beach not allowed to take a
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: dog on the beach, but this guy, he was fine.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: That's up next.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, So how's this for an irony of ironies? Remember
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: those mandatory face masks we were forced to whack on
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: ad nauseum during COVID wee. Years later we learned these
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: things have created a chemical time bomb as they decompose.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: At the height of the pandemic, one hundred and twenty
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: nine billion disposable face masks, mostly made from polypropylene and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: other plastics, were being used every month around the world
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: with no recycling system.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Now a British university says there are tons of billions
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of tons.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Of these masks in landfill and clogging waterways. Get ready
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: for the left to tie themselves in knots trying to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: excuse this one. Joining me is Donika to Georgio, a
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: host of many great shows, including her own program on
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Friday Nights and Will Kingston Sky News contributor.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Welcome guys, forgive.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Me Daneka in my mind just a blank then Danika
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: to Giorgio is the name of your show, of course,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: and Deneka and James on Sunday.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Night to the actually we actually have a show together, James.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: That's really awkward.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Hey, listen, I'm making the funny points here, Aneka. Clearly
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: no one thought through what to do with billions of
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: face masks post pandemic. I mean, this was brilliant forward planning,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: wasn't it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: I mean who would have thought, James, that the virtue
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: signaling about being sick was actually making us sick after all?
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: You know, it actually got me thinking.
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: Do you remember when we were told that when we
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: had to go outside, even just for ten minutes, we
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: were told that, no, you're not allowed to breathe in
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: the fresh air, the fresh and clean air.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: You had to wear a mask. So the fresh, clean
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: air was a problem.
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: And now the masks could possibly be endocrime disruptors. I mean,
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: who would have thought? No, wonder, people do not trust governments.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: And the other point I would make on this, James,
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: is where are the left on this today? The left
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: of are the ones who are obsessed with plastics. They're
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: the ones who've made this big culture war when all
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: we want to do is sip our coca cola without
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: a paper straw, disintegrating into our mouths.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: So where are they today on this very curious.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Well, well, it's great.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: That you mention, you know, the paper straws, because everything
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: else is single use, right, everything get single use is
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: demonized by the environmental warriors, single use straws, single use cups.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: So will how do they forget single use masks?
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: Well, James, if you're looking for logical consistency in the
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: environmental movement, you'll be looking a long time. We sell
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: tons and tons of coal to the rest of the world,
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: despite the fact that it's somehow evil to use it
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: in Australia. But the other point that I would make
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: on this is that in that COVID period, indeed more
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: generally in politics, we don't have politicians that think about
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: second order consequences. They didn't think about the second order
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: consequences of lockdowns on children. They obviously didn't think about
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: the second order consequences of putting millions and millions of
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: these masks into landfill. And I think that is because
• 37:47
  Speaker 13: we don't have politicians that have either the intellect or
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: the nuance to be able to say something as simple
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: as well, we're going with this policy. It will have
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: these benefits, it does have these risks associated with it,
• 37:58
  Speaker 13: but on balance it's the right thing to do. When
• 38:00
  Speaker 13: was the last third time you heard a politician phrase
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: any announcement in that way? And until we have someone
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: who actually can be honest with people like that, unfortunately,
• 38:10
  Speaker 13: these sorts of second order consequences will continue to happen
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: across a range of different policy areas.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Yep, you're absolutely right.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Bondai Beach for a second,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: because for a second consecutive day the beach has been
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: misused as a platform for protest. Yesterday evening a man
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: rode a horse along Bondai Beach waving a Palestinian flag.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Police told him to move on, and he did. But honestly, Denika,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: how has this total decay in social cohesion been allowed
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: to get to this point? You can't take your dog
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: onto Bondai Beach, but this guy's riding up and down
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  Speaker 2: on a horse waving a Palestinian flag.
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  Speaker 7: What an embarrassment. And also it could have actually been
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  Speaker 7: very dangerous as well. There are a lot of young
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  Speaker 7: kids around. It was quite a warm day in Sydney yesterday,
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  Speaker 7: what an absolute idiot. Firstly, obviously, James, where this has started.
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  Speaker 7: Labor has been weak to crack down on this sort
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  Speaker 7: of problem already from the very beginning. It should have
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: been addressed on October eighth, when those protesters took to
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  Speaker 7: the Sydney Opera House.
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  Speaker 4: Steps should have been addressed them.
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  Speaker 7: But then ever since we've seen this decay in our
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  Speaker 7: social cohesion. Putting this incident yesterday aside on a broader matter,
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  Speaker 7: I think the other real issue is is that we've
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  Speaker 7: brought people into this country whose values are inconsistent with
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  Speaker 7: a Western democracy. Laybor don't want to talk about it
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  Speaker 7: because of course they bought three thousand gardens here with little.
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  Speaker 4: To know security checks.
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  Speaker 7: They don't want to talk about it because it doesn't
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  Speaker 7: suit them politically. But we have to have a discussion
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  Speaker 7: about what sort of a country we want to be.
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  Speaker 7: I've asked myself many times since October seven, twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 7: because we've just seen our values decline and decline and
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  Speaker 7: be completely ruined. And I also think these people are
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  Speaker 7: in bolden James, Look what happened on the Harbor Bridge
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  Speaker 7: a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 4: Terror flags were being waived.
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  Speaker 7: That's really set the standard and it just keeps geting
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  Speaker 7: worse from and worse from there.
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  Speaker 2: Will you're in the UK, has this Bondai Beach story
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  Speaker 2: made the news there?
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  Speaker 13: Not that I've seen James, but the UK comparison is
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  Speaker 13: interesting because when I look at Australia from Afar, it
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  Speaker 13: is about three years behind where the UK is now
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  Speaker 13: on questions of immigration and multiculturalism. I was stunned in
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  Speaker 13: that previous interview with mac canavan that he just put
• 40:24
  Speaker 13: this down to a numbers issue, and then to the
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  Speaker 13: extent that it's about culture, well, we just need to
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  Speaker 13: work better on assimilating people. There still isn't the courage
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  Speaker 13: in Australia, obviously, even on the right to say that
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  Speaker 13: there are some cultures that are incompatible with Tadanika's point
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  Speaker 13: of Western liberal democracy. If someone's been brainwashed in Gaza
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  Speaker 13: to hate the Jews, no amount of assimilation will help
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  Speaker 13: in Australia. If you're from Eritrea or Somalia and you've
• 40:46
  Speaker 13: grown up with dramatically different views to women, no amount
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  Speaker 13: of assimilation will help you. Should not we should be
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: highly selective with the countries and the cultures that come in.
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  Speaker 13: It isn't just all cultures are equal and therefore you
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  Speaker 13: need to just work really hard to make sure they're
• 40:59
  Speaker 13: all towing the Australian line.
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  Speaker 9: But I feel at the moment.
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: Australia isn't quite at that point where the fear of
• 41:05
  Speaker 13: being called a racist, even on the right, has subsided,
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  Speaker 13: and as a result, you just turn this into an
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  Speaker 13: economics debate when really it is a debate about culture.
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  Speaker 13: The UK has got to that point now very fortunately,
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  Speaker 13: but you know, we should be able to have the
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  Speaker 13: guts to say the obvious that a bloke like that
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  Speaker 13: should not be in the country and no amount of
• 41:24
  Speaker 13: educational assimilation programs are going to change that person's awful
• 41:28
  Speaker 13: and incompatible views.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you both for being on the program tonight,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Will Kingston and Dannicka de Georgio, host of Danika de
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Georgio on Fridays, Denica and James on Sundays and Deaneka.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: You're hosting Paul Murray Live tonight, so I'll be sure
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to tune in.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to both of you for joining me.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Well stick around because coming up after the break, James
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Morrow is going to talk to me about why the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: left always sympathize with the perpetrators rather than the victims
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: of crime. Reaction to a shocking murder in the US
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: shows how warped the left's values have become. That's coming
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  Speaker 2: up after the break, Welcome back to the program. What
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  Speaker 2: is it with the left and their insistence that criminals
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: are victims? And warning this story is distressing. The most
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  Speaker 2: sho shocking example I've seen recently was the cold blooded
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  Speaker 2: murder of a young woman in Charlotte, stabbed to death
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  Speaker 2: on a train as she traveled home from work. Iran
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  Speaker 2: Zaritska was a twenty three year old refugee who moved
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  Speaker 2: to America to escape war in Ukraine. The vicious murder
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  Speaker 2: captured on CCTV.
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  Speaker 11: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte's Democrat mayor Va Lyles first tried to suppress footage
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  Speaker 2: of the murder footage you just saw. She even thanked
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: media outlets for not showing it. She wrote on social media,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I want to thank our media partners and community members
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  Speaker 2: who've chosen not to repost or share the footage out
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: of respect for the victim's family. And then she put
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: out a statement urging compassion for the murderer. De Carlos Brown,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: a diagnosed schizophrenic with a long criminal history who'd been
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: released back into the community after he'd provided authorities with
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: a written note promising to behave Joining me now a
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  Speaker 2: Sky News host James Morrow. James helped me understand why
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  Speaker 2: the left always seemed to advocate.
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  Speaker 11: For well jvs. It's a very you know, on one
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: certain level, is a very easy yesterdation. On another level,
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: it's a very complex explanation. But basically, you know, at heart,
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: the left is a revolutionary. The left wants to take
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: down the pillars of society. Thus, in every single dispute
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: you ever see the Left involved in, you know you
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: will find them coming down on the side of whichever
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: side is more undermining to the foundations of society. You know,
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: this was the case through the French Revolution, this was
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: the case through the sixties. The Rolling Stone is saying
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: every cop is a criminal and all the sinner's saints.
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  Speaker 11: You know, this is a deeply embedded idea in left
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  Speaker 11: wing culture and now this case in North Carolina. Of
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: course it's terrible, but it also brings up two other
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: really interesting elements. Number one is media, because of course
• 44:39
  Speaker 11: the media didn't start talking about this until the footage
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: made it out onto the internet and people started talking
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: about it. And then the other untalkable question is one
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: of race, and people started to talk about whether or
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: not there was a racial potential motivation in this crime.
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: And you know, these are all areas that the left
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: are really uncomfortable with, James, And I can tell you
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  Speaker 11: right now that thing from the mayor where they were
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: talking about we're not going to tweet anywhere share the
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: camera footage you just watch. There is going to be
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: a concerted effort on the left to shut down people's
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  Speaker 11: ability to film and use footage of incidents because they've
• 45:16
  Speaker 11: realized over the past few years, so once the truth
• 45:19
  Speaker 11: and the footage of what isident is out there, they
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: can't control the narrative and turn it into something that
• 45:25
  Speaker 11: it wasn't. So this, I think is a really important
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  Speaker 11: cultural case here in James. I'm glad you've brought it up.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, if it had been a white man
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: stabbing to death a black girl, I'm sure the media
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: would have rushed to have covered it for the reasons
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: that you outline the ideological stance of the left. The
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: other thing I want to ask you, James, this horrific
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: murder began with the killer getting on the train without
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: a ticket. I would contend this is part of the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: problem we have in the West. Now we seem to
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: wink at small infringements all over the place, then we
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: wonder why we have a crime crist.
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  Speaker 11: Day, I can talk all night about this now, well,
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: because we've only got a few minutes. But I grew
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: up in New York City, and I grew up in
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: New York City before Rudy Giuliani became mayor, and back
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: then it was really really bad. And you know, there
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: were little literal pogroms that's taking place against issidic juice
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. This is not a joke. You
• 46:19
  Speaker 11: can look it up at a terrifying time to be
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: young there and you couldn't take the train or anything
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: like that. Rudy Giuliani came in and he brought in
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: what was known as and is still known as the
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: broken windows theory, and you start to have tolerance for,
• 46:32
  Speaker 11: you know, little crimes, and then it sends the message
• 46:34
  Speaker 11: bigger ones and bigger ones and the snowballs. But there's
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: another element here too. In this video, James, we saw
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: everybody city there, nobody wanted to act. And I can
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: tend to you that the reason why nobody wanted to
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: act on this is because of what happened to that
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  Speaker 11: young marina. I believe his name was Jordan Neely, but
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: correct me if I've got that wrong. Who stopped and
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: intervened when a schizophrenic was threatening people on the New
• 46:57
  Speaker 11: York City subway and that person died and they tried
• 47:00
  Speaker 11: to make an example of them and destroy his life
• 47:02
  Speaker 11: and center of a jail forever in a jurisdiction where
• 47:06
  Speaker 11: you know, it's pretty hard to get sent to jail
• 47:07
  Speaker 11: for anything. So people would have seen that case and said,
• 47:11
  Speaker 11: I'm not getting involved now, because you know, we have
• 47:14
  Speaker 11: to let the criminals run things, because otherwise I'll be ruined.
• 47:17
  Speaker 11: And it's so demoralizing to a society. And this case,
• 47:22
  Speaker 11: I am so glad that's being talked about, because, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 11: as great as it is for Donald Trump talking about
• 47:27
  Speaker 11: crime and you know, the National Guard and kicking out
• 47:30
  Speaker 11: the illegals and you know, cleaning up Chicago, it's this
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: sort of thing that remains a local governance problem and
• 47:35
  Speaker 11: a cultural problem on the left, and you know, everybody's
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: going to be not on the side of the criminal here,
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: and this has huge political implications I think going.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Forward, James Funny got about thirty seconds left, but footage
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: like that suppressed by the authorities, It just undermines the
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: public faith in all institutions and then you just end
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: up with chaos right.
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  Speaker 11: Worse, because you know, what have they got to hide?
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: They're clearly hiding. So I think if they don't want
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: people to see it, because why because there's a prescribed
• 48:06
  Speaker 11: narrative that they want people to think, and that is
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: that the killer was the victim and that somehow the
• 48:13
  Speaker 11: victim had a coming to.
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  Speaker 2: Her and James Morrow. Always appreciate your insights, thanks for
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: joining me tonight and thanks to you watching at home
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: or appreciate your company stick around. Coming up in just
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the moment is Shari Marxon. Her interview with John Howard
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: last night was absolutely brilliant. Looking forward to what she's
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: got for us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: That's it for me. He's Sharry markson Good Night