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#184 - Dr. Robb Kelly - The Recovery Expert · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Man, we're live. We're.
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  Live tootman twitters. Welcome to welcome to the show,
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  everybody. That's Doctor Rob right there.
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  That's. Right by guitar.
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  Right, that's Mike on guitar, man.
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  That's me. I like this with Chris, Yeah.
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  That's awesome. That's me singing.
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  No way, this sounds awesome. Yeah, we're not just a pretty
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  faces man. Yeah, damn.
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  People are surprised by that for sure.
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  Yeah, yeah, us. Well, it's good studio mixing
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  quality. Yeah, he did.
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  He recorded in. We recorded in his apartment.
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  Welcome to the Chris and Mike show.
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  He's Mike. I'm Chris.
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  Remember, we're live on Twitch, YouTube and now streaming live
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  on the Chris and mikeshow.com. And we are blessed to have a
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  really cool superhuman with an amazing life resonating with us
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  today. His name is Doctor Rob Kelly and
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  we're going to let him kind of just take it away.
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  Let us let him let him tell you why he's here and where we're
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  going to, you know, deep dive into conversations.
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  Take it away, Doctor Rob Kelly. Absolutely.
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  Thanks, Mike. Thanks, Chris.
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  Hey guys, my name is Doctor Rob Kelly.
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  He will call me Doctor Rob amongst other things, but we're
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  going to stick to Doctor Rob this time.
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  As you can tell from the accent, I'm from East Texas, I'm from
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  Manchester, England. I've been, listen, I'm, I'm not
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  American, but I got here as quick as I could, guys, I swear
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  to God. So I've been over here my 20
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  years and listen, I, I was born on the projects guys.
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  I grew up in a very poor family, learn to fight real quick where
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  I came from and you know, I wasn't comfortable on the
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  streets. I always wanted to get off the
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  Council of States and the projects.
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  And finally 20 years ago, after homelessness and dying on the
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  streets and losing everything, I I arrived in Dallas, TX 20 years
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  ago for three weeks only and I never went back home again.
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  So back in the day, I applied for my green card, came in about
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  four months. And yeah, I did.
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  I did like a little movie after that where they paid me a
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  fortune. So with that money I set up in
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  Dallas and four years ago we moved down to San Antonio.
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  But I still have Dallas, Dallas, San Antonio offices,
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  Switzerland, Spain, Manchester, UK offices, and we've got four
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  companies going. We're doing good.
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  We're living the dream instead of dreaming a living.
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  Man, that is so. Impressive.
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  Wow. You're worldwide.
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  And, and you know why I have 4 successful businesses, I'll tell
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  you because I don't give a shit what people think about me
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  anymore. You know, it's like what if I
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  got to lose a business goes under, what they're going to do,
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  take Christmas off me? I don't care, you know.
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  So it's, it's balls to the wall for me all the time.
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  I'm not scared enough and I don't care about what you think
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  about me. Then days have gone man.
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  Such a weight off my shoulders. That's that's one of the
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  benefits of, of getting older in life, right?
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  You when you're younger, you kind of have this, you have this
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  or like, oh, you know, what are they going to think?
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  If I look like this or dress like this?
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  If I talk like this, if I if. But as you get older, you
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  realize that you know what? Fuck you, I'm.
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  The one doing the work every day, right?
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  Right. Right, like my wife.
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  My wife always tells me, tells people that with me, it's a love
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  or hate. You either love Chris, you hate
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  Chris. There's no grey.
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  There's no in between. No, no.
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  Grey, I love that. I usually just like crazy.
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  I got yellow pants on, blue shoes, pink shirts.
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  Photi, you know Well, you're at your age psychologically.
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  Guys, I'm 35. I'm just sticking with 35.
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  I don't look 65. I'm not 65.
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  Go away with that old man's crap with me.
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  I'm not playing that anymore. Are you telling me you're 65?
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  Doctor up. 65 Yeah, I'm 60. Five, you do not look 65.
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  No, I'm going to. Thank you man, I just lost 153
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  lbs. Oh wow.
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  Over the last two years. Yeah.
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  So I'm in the best shape of my life.
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  Oh, there you go. OK, feeling good.
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  There you go. Shut up, Fresh.
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  I don't know. I'm not even playing with you.
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  No, see, here's the thing. I'm 56, so you know, I'm the
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  same concept. Like my wife and I were talking
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  the other day that that that we were sitting on the couch and
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  it's like we have friends that are in their 50s and they look
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  like they're 70 and it's like we're 56 and 51 and nobody's
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  ever guessed how old we are. Nobody let me.
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  Tell you a little story real quick.
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  So we went to a pair somewhere down South Galveston and we
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  walked on and you got to pay. But over 65 is called seniors
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  and you get like half price, right?
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  I'm 64 at the time and we watched something this guy said
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  two seniors. I went no, I mean two seniors.
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  Well, it's 65 and you get like half.
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  I will pay full price. Thank you and I did.
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  Right, seven months to go. Right.
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  But it's that's the thing though, it's all mindset.
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  Age is just a number. When I was a kid, you know,
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  people hit 40. They had that over the hill
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  party, all the black balloons and shit.
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  When they hit 55, they moved out of that residential neighborhood
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  and and slid into those adult community only things.
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  And then within five years they were dead.
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  It's like now, you know, 50 is like the new 30 because it's
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  just the way you take care of your body, the way you eat
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  healthy, the way you work out and you maintain, you know, the
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  the core for which is body being balance of business.
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  You get all that stuff, dial in your, you're going to, you're
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  going to feel and look as young as you want to regardless.
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  Of well, all three of us growing up, we were taught to not trust
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  anybody over 40 when we were in our 20s, right?
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  We lived through that. Now you laugh at that.
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  We're in our 50s and 60s and we're like, man, we're in our
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  prime. We're still going, we're still
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  learning. We're becoming better people,
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  healthier people. I still run.
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  I lift it every day. I lift something, you know, if
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  it's not a gin. I lift.
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  I watch what I eat, make sure that what I eat is being
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  methylated properly. I don't believe in
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  pharmaceutical companies. I think they're going to kill
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  us. Well, they are so pharmacy, so
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  food industry gets us sick, and pharmaceutical keeps us sick.
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  Oh yeah, I know. Away from that.
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  Yeah, we have some friends that that were born in in South
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  Africa and lived in Jamaica for a few years.
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  They've been in Arizona now for six.
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  And it blew my mind when we were having a conversation one night,
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  we all went out that they never got sick till they moved to
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  America. Like in Jamaica and South Africa
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  they were very rarely ever sick. It was just coming to America.
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  The first year in America with how we process foods and just
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  all the quality of different things.
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  It's the constantly were sick sinus infections and stomach
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  aches and flus and colds. Mind boggling to me.
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  I mean, the stuff that's in it over here.
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  So McDonald's fries in England have four ingredients.
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  McDonald's fries in America has 27 right we've.
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  Discussed that on this podcast. That's funny, you bring.
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  Insane. And every food you can get we I
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  get my bread. I like a bit of bread, so I get
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  my bread from the UK. Four ingredients.
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  I think it's salt, flour and something.
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  Yeah, four ingredients. I pay $12.00 a loaf, right?
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  You can get low safe for four doors.
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  I don't care. It's pure white, it's pure
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  eating. It's just like I put on so much
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  weight when I came and I can't understand it.
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  Like a meeting kind of the same thing.
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  Then I went to a doctor. He said, oh, don't worry, you're
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  getting old. And I thought, no, I'm not
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  buying that. So I went to another guy who was
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  all organic and he, he took, he got like 6 or 7 labels of food I
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  used to buy. And he's going and I'm like, Oh
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  my God. I never, I never saw it.
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  I said, no wonder you're putting weight on.
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  Jesus, you're eating this shit. Yeah.
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  So when I met Gary Brecker, who's now one of my best
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  friends, he, he, he told me what to eat.
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  Stay away from this. This, this, the weight drops.
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  I feel better. You know, it's just my mind is
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  sharp, man, really sharp. But it's choices that we make.
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  Yeah, see, I get my bread for my daughter.
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  She she bakes it. So again, for, yeah, there's
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  there's, there's, there's Gary Brecker.
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  Right there. Hey, Gary.
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  So let's talk about yeah, so let's talk about the the five
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  people. And I, I know who Grant Cardone
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  is because I'm in real estate. So he's he's obviously a lot,
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  does a lot in the real estate world as far as motivation
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  speak, things like that. Everybody else who Tony Robbins
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  is, love him or hate him, people know who he is.
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  I've never heard of Gary. Obviously I heard of Jenny
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  McCarthy because, you know, MTV, right.
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  And then I want to say I've heard of John, but if you can
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  kind of let us know who these other five people are with you
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  and what how they're involved and what you're doing with your
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  cover group, that would be fantastic.
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  I only see 6. Is there more than?
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  Six. Well, well, you're you're,
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  you're the 6th man. Oh, I'm sorry.
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  OK. Yeah.
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  So John's a a business guy. So this is a conference.
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  So obviously, Tony, I'm in years and years and years and years
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  ago and I can't say he went through our program because
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  can't say that Grant Cardo I met with Gary Brecker.
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  Gary Brecker is just an amazing human being.
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  Jenny. I know because of the Wahlberg
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  family, right. So, yeah, so I get to hang
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  around and work with a list celebrity CEOFBICIAI mean all
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  them guys is is kind of friends or patients or colleagues.
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  But yeah, I mean, I look at me and Gary speak most, most days.
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  And some of the revelation that he's shown me about, you know,
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  being that superhuman is is just incredible, really.
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  Because because one mindset is like this.
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  I opened. I opened a English restaurant
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  next to my offices. I called it the old English
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  T-shirt. We sell everything that you can
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  buy in Britain, fishing chips, fine chips, all that we sell and
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  my financial guy and people around us go you must be insane.
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  First of all. Probably.
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  First of all, do you have any experience?
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  No. Well, he's going to write my
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  sister. So she has experience.
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  No. Well, who has experience?
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  Nobody. Nobody.
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  You can't do, you cannot open this restaurant.
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  How much you putting in? 200 grand you are in.
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  We're in the top 12 of affluent businesses, restaurant business.
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  This is San Antonio and we've been open for two years.
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  That's fantastic. We're great believers that you
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  can do anything you want in the world.
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  You can achieve anything. I'm not a political guy.
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  I don't give a shit about politics.
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  But one thing I say to people all the time, because when he
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  used to come over there, I used to.
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  You can do anything. And the the first thing that guy
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  said to me in America said, well, I can't be present in the
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  United States. We had a businessman few years
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  ago running the country with no political experience whatsoever.
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  Don't dare tell me you can't achieve your dreams.
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  Somebody's put that there. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, Yep. Yeah, I would say a lot of it
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  starts with not listening to other people.
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  Because they'll they'll design your life for you.
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  You know, even when when we look kids at school, we used to play
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  in the streets in at night time 4:00 play football and we'd
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  often be found doing this, you know, kick the ball to John
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  Johnny. What do you want to be when you
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  grow up? I want to be a doctor.
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  What about you, Bill? I want to be a football star.
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  What happened to them? Dreams.
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  They got kicked out of us by our family and friends.
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  That was so stupid. Rob, You can't go to college.
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  You can't be a doctor. We're from the projects.
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  People from the projects don't do that.
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  Get a normal job digging the roads like Dad.
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  Have a couple of children live on the projects.
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  That's it. That's what you're that's what
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  you're worth and that's your placement.
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  And I just wasn't having that. Yeah.
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  So I remember from reading the emails that you've sent us in
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  our, you know, pre show communication, you've been
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  there, done that as far as the addiction side of it, right?
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  Yeah. Would you say that led to a lot
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  of your success in being able to convince other people?
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  If I can do this, so can you, Because I say that a lot.
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  If you've been there, done that, you're not going to bullshit
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  that person, right? True.
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  First of all, if, if, if, if you haven't been through alcoholism
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  and addiction, you can't help anybody.
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  I don't care how many degrees you've got.
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  You can't help it because you don't know where my mind is when
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  I want to drink. And, and we everything I say on
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  here is tested earlier. You're beautiful. 20 years.
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  Of trial, what we do 20 years. Yep, beautiful. 2121. 21 I just
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  reached legal Legal. Drinking age for an alcoholic.
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  I love it. I love it.
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  But it's true. I mean, you can't, you know,
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  doctors or scientists, they can't help us, you know.
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  So by going through at the time and I lost everything because I
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  did come off the projects and I did make something myself and
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  then I drank everything away. Kids can't have wife holiday
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  homes and see. That's where you and Mike are
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  the same. That's where.
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  That's where you and Mike went up.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I was living in my car,
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  Doctor Rob, but. You had a car.
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  I had a car. I couldn't.
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  I couldn't drive it, but I was living in it.
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  Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's good, man.
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  Yeah. I'd be often found in dumpsters
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  and under trees. And when I passed out in the
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  road somewhere, I was just I I died twice on the streets and
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  then eggs brought me back to life.
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  And I hated those guys for that. Then medics back in the day.
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  But yeah, man, you've got to go through it.
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  And I tell people when I we do conferences, I tell people all
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  the time, you know, we'll get a couple on stage and to go.
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  What's your dream? I want to run my own business.
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  Why can't you? Why?
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  But stop right there. Give me one reason you can't do
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  this. Well, it's big as an excuse.
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  Give me a reason. You can't give me a reason
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  because you're full of fear and you're scared.
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  We'll tell you something now, Billy, I, if we went to court
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  tomorrow, you brought all the evidence that you can't do this
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  and I brought all the evidence that you can do this.
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  The judge is not only going to throw you out of court, he's
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  going to do you for contempt of court because you have one piece
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  of paper, man, and that one people's piece of paper is
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  bullshit from your hearing people around you.
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  Don't be so stupid. You can't.
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  You're doing what? You're opening a British
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  restaurant in Texas. This is Tex Mex country, Rob,
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  you're insane. You know what my answer is?
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  Says who? Yeah, I would go to your
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  restaurant just because it's not Tex Mex, Just saying.
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  There you go. There you go.
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  You know what I mean? Just because I just I, I I like,
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  I like outside the norm, like I, I don't want to authentic, you
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  know exactly you. I mean, everybody has their
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  every state has their thing, right?
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  But yeah, why go if there's 15,000 Tex Mex places and then
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  there's your spot? All right, Yeah.
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  I'm going to go to yours just because I want to see what it
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  tastes like, what the foods. Yeah.
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  I like when somebody says I do it different.
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  Yeah, right. That's what we did.
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  I didn't, I, I, I don't have an experience in restaurants, but I
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  didn't want any the people we hired want.
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  They have to have one thing and that's no experience because we
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  wanted it to be like a, a theme, like a show when you come in.
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  So it just so happens that most of the staff are English and,
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  you know, when they walk in, they see all the British stuff.
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  The Brits come from out of nowhere in San Antonio to come
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  see us. So yeah, I'm all about providing
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  something that nobody else provides.
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  And even with my other companies like My Arcade might do for a
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  living, we we do stuff that other people are not doing with
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  1020 thirty years ahead of anybody else out there doing
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  what we do. Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Why be normal? Exactly so.
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  End up on the streets. So explain to us what it is
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  exactly you do, because like I alluded to when we started, you
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  have this amazing life resume and and look at your website.
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  There's so many rabbit holes to go down.
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  So if I came to you, if I met you at your restaurant, say you
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  came out and said, hey, how's the food?
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  I'd say it's great. Doctor Rob, can you tell me what
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  you do? What is it that you do?
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  What's your thing? What is it?
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  What is it? So I'm a psychologist and a PhD
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  psychologist, PhD behavioral scientist, and we're
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  neuroscience experts. So we're more neurosciences than
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  we are doctors because we studied the brain intensely now
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  for about 15 years, way before everyone told us the brain is
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  hard wired. This is stupid.
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  Texas topped my license off me once because he said I was
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  teaching woo woo stuff. Yeah, I to those guys today.
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  I don't know how that works. Plus I got my license back.
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  So yeah, we, we restructured your brains.
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  We, we, we use stuff like the ventromedicable cortex, the, the
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  insular, the hippocampus, the hypothalamus, they all play a
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  part from our test and trials and research that we've done.
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  So the statement is, and people freak out until they go and do
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  the research. And we're at the head is
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  Alcoholics are born and drug addicts are made.
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  So we treat anxiety, depression, PTSD.
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  We're just doing early trial work with Alzheimer's where
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  we're seeing a huge turn around. So that's what we do.
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  Anything psych, behavioral science wise, whether you're an
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  alcoholic or just somebody who's depressed, who's lost his job
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  but wants to start his own little thing, they come to us,
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  man. And, and we heal and we push him
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  for, we'll build websites for you, we'll make contacts for
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  you. We'll, you do all this crazy
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  stuff. So yeah, it's, you know, we love
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  what we do because we do what we love.
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  Right. And I, and I love your saying
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  that the problem is not our drinking, it's our thinking.
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  Do you know what? I got that from Chris?
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  You won't really relate to this. Both.
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  Both of you guys will. So I'm outside a liquor store.
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  It's 5:00 in the morning. I've got a vest on, pair of
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  shorts, pair of flip flops. I'm sweating profusely and it's
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  snowing. So I know from my past I'm going
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  through what's called the DTS guys, the learning trams, which
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  means alcohol or hospital in the next hour.
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  Otherwise I'm dead. This Pakistani guy always opens
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  the door at 5, not supposed to serve until 7 closes the door
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  behind him. I get in and I don't know what
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  happened this day but this was me.
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  I was, I hate I'm a Bang Bang Bang Bang head and I'm sweating
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  and I I can't really walk properly and I put my 10 LB on
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  the counter and he put the bottle of vodka on the counter
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  and for whatever reason that day, this is what I did.
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  Then open the bottle had my hand round the neck of the bottle,
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  sweat stopped nervous and stopped shakes, headaches went
• 18:31
  away in milliseconds. I remember looking at the bottle
• 18:34
  looking at the shopkeepers like in slow motion and a lot back
• 18:37
  and I went holy fuck, it's not the alcohol.
• 18:40
  And that's when we did our research and found out that
• 18:43
  alcohol has 1% to do with alcoholism and the same with
• 18:47
  every other addiction. Food, porn, cake, whatever, it
• 18:50
  is not the problem. See, I was, and, and being 21
• 18:54
  years sober, right, I, I alluded to it as I started out just Long
• 18:58
  story short, I would drink on Fridays, right?
• 19:00
  And then Friday would turn Fridays and Saturdays.
• 19:02
  Oh now Sunday football's on and then Monday, Monday Night
• 19:04
  Football. Then my wife was, was going to
• 19:06
  school and working two different jobs.
• 19:08
  I was self-employed selling houses.
• 19:10
  So then she was, you know, doing her thing.
• 19:13
  So she was gone seven days a week.
• 19:14
  So I got that well with me thing.
• 19:15
  So the, the Friday night just drinking with friends started
• 19:20
  turning into a habit. And as the habit exceeded and
• 19:23
  the tolerance grew, then you start drinking more and more
• 19:26
  beer, start drinking more and more Jack.
• 19:27
  Then all of a sudden, you know, six months into this thing, like
• 19:31
  anything else, just like working out, addicts have to chase
• 19:34
  something. They need something to chase.
• 19:35
  So you start working out and you make it a habit that you up
• 19:37
  every morning at six O clock at the gym.
• 19:39
  By 7:30, you're done. By 8:30 your day goes on.
• 19:41
  To me, it was the same kind of concept with drinking because it
• 19:44
  got to to the point where it was just a habit.
• 19:45
  It was natural. If I didn't have a beer in my
• 19:47
  hand, what was wrong with me? So when I finally did stop,
• 19:51
  which was a major blow up thing with my wife and I, we never
• 19:53
  argued, we never fought. And I woke up the next day.
• 19:55
  Holy shit, something's got to change, right?
• 19:58
  So I went to an, a, a meeting because I needed to do something
• 20:00
  to prove to her that I was going to stop.
• 20:01
  And when I went to the second a a meeting because the first one
• 20:03
  wasn't the right age group, I got a chip.
• 20:06
  And when I realized, oh, I get a chip for 30 for 24 hours and I
• 20:10
  get a 30 day, then I get a 60 day and 90 day, so on.
• 20:12
  That was what drove me, believe it or not, to stay sober because
• 20:16
  I didn't want to give them back my chip.
• 20:18
  And every chip I achieved, I gave that chip to my wife.
• 20:21
  So when I got my 24, I held it till I got my 30 day, she got
• 20:25
  the 24, I held the 30 day, she got the 30I held the 60 and so
• 20:29
  on. So that to me showed me that if
• 20:32
  once I turned the drinking and stopped that and turned it into
• 20:35
  a workout habit with the target of getting these chips, I sailed
• 20:39
  through my first year. The second year was a little bit
• 20:41
  harder. As I've, as I've gone through my
• 20:44
  time of being sober, certain years have been harder than
• 20:47
  others, but the first year was just, it really was smooth
• 20:50
  standing because I just like you said, I just changed my think.
• 20:52
  I changed my mindset. I need to stop for this reason.
• 20:55
  I need to do it for this and I need to fill the void with that.
• 20:59
  And that to me is how I survived my first year.
• 21:02
  And then I've just kind of, you know, talked along ever since.
• 21:06
  Yeah, makes perfect sense. You know it's the.
• 21:09
  But I never thought of it the way you just did it until we
• 21:11
  just had you on the show. That seems the parallel there
• 21:13
  for sure. But the thing about drug addicts
• 21:16
  is, it's it's the addictive personality.
• 21:19
  And exactly what you said happens, but what happens with
• 21:23
  the destruction part of the brain, which is the basal
• 21:26
  ganglia, where it's our repetition, strengthen and
• 21:30
  confirms of a behavior or a trait is that when you got on
• 21:35
  set enough, enough, your repeated behavior, which then
• 21:38
  become a working part of the mind was to follow the gem, get
• 21:41
  your chips and that was that was ready.
• 21:43
  So once it becomes a working part of the money, it's very
• 21:46
  hard to go back and undo that. Right, right.
• 21:49
  It's hard to rebel against yourself when you make the
• 21:51
  decision to do something. It's hard to rebel against that
• 21:54
  decision because you consciously made that decision, whatever it
• 21:57
  is. But most people, if we we got
• 22:00
  honest with I was in a a I'm not anymore for 2025 years, talking
• 22:05
  on behalf around the world. It was amazing.
• 22:08
  But most people and you sit them down and you say, are you done?
• 22:13
  They're oh, yeah, yeah, I'm done.
• 22:14
  I'm done. We did.
• 22:15
  We did loads of guys in A and are you really done?
• 22:18
  Well, you know, I mean, yeah, they always have that lurking
• 22:21
  notion, like the book says, of being asked to drink one day.
• 22:25
  And while you're in that split mindset, you will always
• 22:29
  relapse. Always.
• 22:32
  Yeah, so. That book, and I'm telling you
• 22:34
  that book, 1938, when they wrote it, 39 it came out, is the best
• 22:39
  piece of literature I have ever read.
• 22:41
  And I studied Carl Jung. That should be being recovered
• 22:44
  from an alcoholic or any other addiction.
• 22:46
  The best book. There's so much stuff in that
• 22:48
  book that people miss so many words that people don't know
• 22:52
  what it means when when he talks about trudging, the road of
• 22:55
  happy destiny of not to trudging, you look in the in the
• 22:59
  American dictionary and Trudge says to like walking through
• 23:02
  mud, struggling to walk. Well, the big boat wasn't come
• 23:05
  from America. It came from Oxford English
• 23:07
  Dictionary, because most of them are Oxford went to Oxford
• 23:09
  University and call themselves the Oxford Group.
• 23:12
  So when you look at Trudge in England, it says to March on
• 23:15
  triumphantly, right? It's unbelievable when you start
• 23:18
  picking up, but way before it's time.
• 23:20
  I've no idea how they wrote it knowing what they know now.
• 23:23
  Yeah, Mike. I guess what I would disagree
• 23:29
  with and not really disagree, I just had a different path.
• 23:32
  I always felt like if I needed somebody to help me quit, then
• 23:37
  I'm not ready to quit, right? But I think you have to be that
• 23:41
  strong willed to be able to do that too, right?
• 23:44
  I've looked at it a little bit in reverse and it's no, it's no
• 23:49
  diss on anybody else's take, But if I need to go to a a or I need
• 23:55
  to go to recovery center now I'm addicted to being not addicted,
• 24:01
  right? Right.
• 24:02
  That's why you don't hear me talk a lot about I'm recovered
• 24:05
  for this long or I just chose not to do that, right?
• 24:10
  I can choose. I'm with you, Mike, I'm with
• 24:11
  you. I can choose to have two beers.
• 24:13
  Every night. Yeah.
• 24:15
  And I can enjoy those beers and I don't need 7 more, right?
• 24:18
  There you go. I rewired my thinking.
• 24:22
  That's the part I agree with everything you said about.
• 24:25
  It's a mindset, right? It's in your brain.
• 24:28
  You. Have to rewire the way that you
• 24:31
  live your life. Chris chose to run.
• 24:33
  He chose to challenge himself physically.
• 24:36
  You know, you wouldn't believe it, but he was overweight and
• 24:41
  sick when he quit drinking. To look at him now, you would
• 24:44
  never think that. And he looks 20 years younger
• 24:47
  than he did back then, right? So that was his choice to fill
• 24:51
  that void. Yeah.
• 24:54
  I just think it's very important for people to understand you
• 24:56
  have to make that decision first and foremost.
• 24:59
  I can't just sit down in front of Doctor Rob and say, help me
• 25:03
  quit, right? Because you're going to say you
• 25:05
  have to want to do that first. Yep, one, one of the one of the
• 25:09
  reasons we have a 98% success rate over 25 years with 11,000
• 25:15
  patients and a money back guarantee if you relapse.
• 25:18
  That's the fact that we have an assessment that you need to
• 25:21
  pass. And in 8075% of people they fail
• 25:26
  the assessment because like you said, like you have to make the
• 25:29
  do you have to make your mind up with you already.
• 25:31
  I can't convince you we've turned down millions of dollars
• 25:35
  from a high profile people to the guy doing the garbage
• 25:39
  because they're not ready. We have a series of questions.
• 25:41
  I can't, I can't do anything with you if you're not ready to
• 25:44
  quit. We can't help you rewire brain
• 25:47
  and stuff like that. If you're not ready.
• 25:49
  It's only when you're ready. You know, there's, there's a lot
• 25:52
  of people that can get my, my dad was good at this.
• 25:54
  He was smoked 40 cigarettes a day back in 60s, I think, and,
• 25:58
  and, and the, the cigarettes were not by half a penny or
• 26:01
  something. He said, that's it.
• 26:02
  I'm done. Never smoked again.
• 26:05
  Well, I, I, I see people all the time doing that.
• 26:08
  I did that with with. I used to chew Copenhagen, man.
• 26:10
  I chewed since I was 17 years old.
• 26:12
  My wife and son were in Oregon visiting a friend and it was 4th
• 26:15
  of July weekend and I reached over from my chair.
• 26:17
  I just got back from showing houses and stuff and I grabbed
• 26:20
  my can. It was empty.
• 26:20
  I'm like, I don't want to go to the store.
• 26:22
  I haven't chewed sense that was it.
• 26:24
  Yeah. That was it, you know, And then
• 26:26
  some people just adamantly struggle with stopping anything.
• 26:29
  And this was something, right? And that's my own advice.
• 26:31
  Is nicotine. For sure, right.
• 26:33
  And and that's the thing, Copenhagen was, was a, was a
• 26:35
  total freaking just hand, you know, it was a habit if anything
• 26:40
  else. Oh, you choose all the time when
• 26:42
  I first met, right? For sure.
• 26:43
  And, and just to just, I don't want to go to the store because
• 26:47
  I was lazy. I didn't want to get up and go
• 26:49
  back outside because it was hot. I'm like, I don't want to go
• 26:51
  anywhere. Just I'm done.
• 26:53
  And she came home three days later and I was a little edgy.
• 26:55
  She's like, what's wrong with you?
• 26:57
  I said, I stopped chewing on Saturday.
• 26:58
  She just looks at me. What?
• 26:59
  It's like, I didn't want to go to the store.
• 27:04
  She's you. Know I need that.
• 27:05
  Right, but that's what Mike said.
• 27:08
  It's it's it's it's you got to be ready.
• 27:11
  You, you know, you can't half ass it because you're not going
• 27:15
  to be successful. You're going to work.
• 27:16
  No, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to take you as a
• 27:18
  patient if I don't think you're ready.
• 27:22
  And, and we pull all sorts of shit, you know, we, we often get
• 27:25
  because of who we are parents coming in with kids, little
• 27:29
  Johnny's at school, you know, he needs to come and he's taking
• 27:32
  too much of this and too much of that.
• 27:34
  And, and we assess him, we bring him in and we sit him down.
• 27:38
  And if he sounds uninterested, I will say to him, we have some.
• 27:41
  I've got some Percocet leftover from another patient.
• 27:44
  Let's take one each today. Let's start Monday.
• 27:47
  It's Friday now. We'll start a scratch.
• 27:48
  You ready? Yeah.
• 27:50
  I get up, walk out into the waiting room.
• 27:51
  I say to his parents, he's not ready.
• 27:53
  I'm sorry. Yeah.
• 27:54
  And he's kicking off. How dare I Don't give a shit.
• 27:56
  You're not ready. I don't.
• 27:57
  I can't do this man. Yep.
• 28:01
  So is that what it is? Is basically a visual assessment
• 28:05
  or I'm sure you have a series of questions, but you also are
• 28:08
  visually watching how their body language is and what they're
• 28:12
  saying and. Yeah, it's so 19 something
• 28:16
  percent of communication is it's non verbal.
• 28:19
  So with my PhD in behavioral science, that's where it picks
• 28:22
  up. I could tell you stuff you're
• 28:24
  thinking about before you're even thinking it because the
• 28:26
  body specific experience example, the body tells us if
• 28:30
  you, if you know what you're looking at way before the voice
• 28:32
  will of what I've got your thinking just by movement.
• 28:36
  My my professor sent me to the zoo for a year to study
• 28:40
  primates. I hated that man.
• 28:42
  It was pouring down. It was snowing and as needed,
• 28:45
  it's closed. But he has some freaking friend
• 28:48
  in there. He used to let me and that every
• 28:50
  day, man, he used to come a couple of times.
• 28:52
  Oh, you're you're here. Yeah, I'm here.
• 28:54
  He's fucking start. I'm here.
• 28:55
  Good. Good for you.
• 28:56
  All right. And you speak like this.
• 28:59
  Good for you, Kelly. Oh, this is Kelly.
• 29:00
  Just just carry on now. And he walk off and I'm like,
• 29:02
  this guy is insane but Oh my God, how you can?
• 29:08
  Talk like Ozzy Osbourne. Yes, yes.
• 29:14
  That's awesome. Yeah.
• 29:17
  Yeah, that's awesome. All right, so we're on.
• 29:23
  We're on TV and radio. Do we have a radio show or is
• 29:25
  this just kind of like what you do with us?
• 29:26
  You're coming on, you kind of share and what you do and.
• 29:29
  Don't have a podcast. I used to have a radio show in
• 29:31
  Dallas called Celebrity. I can't.
• 29:35
  I was sober celebrities and we used to interview people and
• 29:38
  stuff but not been on. I just go on podcast now and the
• 29:43
  nice thing is, is a special in podcasts have only been going
• 29:47
  for a couple of months. They'll ask me first of all,
• 29:49
  have I been on a podcast? And I love it when people ask me
• 29:52
  that. But yeah, I done thousands and
• 29:55
  thousands and thousands. But this is how we do it.
• 29:58
  We turn down 30 podcasts a month of clowns that just want me on
• 30:03
  there for for ratings. But what Courtney does, he's
• 30:06
  very clever. She goes out and we don't care
• 30:08
  if you've got one viewer or a million, she goes out and she
• 30:11
  finds people that are changing the world and then we'll humbly
• 30:15
  approach you and she does all the back end.
• 30:18
  And all I get last night was my BAE saying, hey, you're on with
• 30:20
  Mike and Kristen or I'm like brilliant.
• 30:23
  And we don't take questions and nothing like that has to be
• 30:25
  authentic, you know? Right, which is why we, which is
• 30:28
  why we do what we do because we want it to be authentic, because
• 30:30
  we want the real people interviews.
• 30:32
  Like I said, when I was on radio, I used to get so much
• 30:35
  slack because I didn't do interviews.
• 30:36
  I, I had, I had five segments in my show and everything was
• 30:40
  conversational and my producers would give me shit.
• 30:42
  Dude, you, dude, you stop. You can't be a feature, blah,
• 30:44
  blah, blah. I guess I can't.
• 30:45
  It's human interest, even though it's real estate centric.
• 30:48
  You have a home inspector, he's a human.
• 30:49
  You have a lender who's a human. You have a home buyer who's a
• 30:51
  human. These people have value that is
• 30:54
  just not industry related. And they didn't understand that.
• 30:57
  But the conversations were so much better.
• 30:59
  Doctor Kelly. It was, it was they flow so much
• 31:02
  more. People love listening to it.
• 31:04
  They it just it was a better approach to radio than just
• 31:08
  saying So, Doctor Kelly, how long have you been a P HD-26?
• 31:12
  Years. That's great.
• 31:14
  What's your specialty? Oh, this.
• 31:16
  It's boring, man. It's like, give me a break.
• 31:18
  You. Just like you said, you know,
• 31:19
  people like authentic. And the thing that I appreciate
• 31:22
  it in reverse about Courtney is I knew that she spent some time
• 31:27
  listening to it because she cited specific examples that
• 31:30
  were deep in podcasts that only she could have known if she'd
• 31:33
  listened to it, right? That's her job, you know.
• 31:36
  Oh, that bodybuilding day. Well, I want you to that was you
• 31:39
  very good at it. Yeah, I won seven titles back
• 31:42
  home. Yeah, I was 17.
• 31:44
  I just, I just won the drug free.
• 31:47
  Drug free. I just won the under 20 ones.
• 31:49
  Yeah. Again though, Chris and Mike,
• 31:52
  you both get this and I hope the viewers at home will.
• 31:54
  I have, we have them brains. Yeah, I'm either going to do
• 31:57
  something or I'm not. I'm not going to.
• 31:59
  I've never played basketball. So when my friend Ben, do you
• 32:02
  want to come playback? No.
• 32:03
  Why? Never played it?
• 32:04
  Well, you know, I'll never rock the world with it, so I'm not
• 32:07
  doing it. I I do the things that I, when I
• 32:10
  play the Abbey Road for about a year, you know, when I created
• 32:15
  companies, when I, you know, all these stuff that I want to do is
• 32:19
  going to happen because of the brain is trained to succeed.
• 32:23
  So I'm not play basketball. What, for fun?
• 32:26
  No, it's not over till you win. Nobody knows the second person
• 32:31
  on the moon or this, the second guy that broke the four minute
• 32:35
  mile. Nobody knows him, but everyone
• 32:37
  knows Bannister. The first guy that did it.
• 32:39
  I I want to be Roger Bannister every single time.
• 32:42
  You keep blowing by these brilliant points that are.
• 32:45
  Going to just. Blow by people.
• 32:47
  One of the most important things that you just said is be careful
• 32:50
  how you invest your time. People waste so much of their
• 32:54
  life doing things that they don't have to do.
• 32:56
  They choose to do it for whatever reason.
• 32:58
  Sit in front of the TV for 8 hours a day or six hours a day.
• 33:02
  Think about what you could have done right.
• 33:04
  Don't spend your time doing things that you're not good at,
• 33:07
  and don't waste it doing things that you could be improving your
• 33:11
  financial well-being, health, well-being.
• 33:15
  Yeah, it's so true. And doing things for other
• 33:18
  people, like one of my biggest sayings is yes or no is a
• 33:22
  falling off answer because this is what I used to be like.
• 33:25
  Hey, Rob, you come into the the party and no, no.
• 33:28
  And you see my auntie's uncle's dog like he's sick.
• 33:31
  So. So I shut up.
• 33:33
  No, maybe a thank you, but no. And it's so it's so relieved.
• 33:39
  And they go, oh, OK, I don't need to explain myself.
• 33:43
  I got nothing to prove to any beauty or anything.
• 33:46
  You know, I, I don't, I just, I love what you said, Chris.
• 33:49
  It yeah. It's because I'm older.
• 33:51
  I don't give a shit anyway. I used to.
• 33:53
  I used to sit behind and look at all the comments and who's they
• 33:56
  think he is and I'd have a bad day and fuck you, I'll tell you
• 34:01
  who I am. I'm the guy with $100 million in
• 34:03
  the fucking bank. What the hell are you doing sat
• 34:04
  at home in your parents bedroom because your fucking wife's
• 34:07
  throwing you out, the kids don't want to see you, and you want to
• 34:09
  comment on what I'm doing? Yeah, I don't think so.
• 34:13
  Yeah, yeah. See, that's the, that's the fun
• 34:15
  thing. We had somebody keyboard warrior
• 34:17
  in one of our posts, one of our our guests, I don't figure what
• 34:20
  it was, but you know, I just chimed in.
• 34:22
  Hey, thanks for watching. Love it.
• 34:24
  We just found guys over the years.
• 34:27
  This is what I found. Nobody but nobody will negative
• 34:32
  comment on your stuff that's doing as good as you are better.
• 34:36
  Nobody. They always the wannabes that
• 34:38
  are going to come in and God bless them.
• 34:40
  Man, I love Katt Williams, you should be grateful.
• 34:43
  You've got haters. You know, if you got hate, you
• 34:45
  don't like to send them my way. I got loads of room for haters.
• 34:48
  We looked at it, Doctor Rob, as a sign of we're finally making
• 34:52
  it right because we're doing something that is annoying
• 34:55
  people's spirits. You know?
• 34:56
  That's the way I look at it. And I'm so proud of Chris and
• 34:59
  myself because we just go on there and say, hey, thanks for
• 35:02
  watching. We really appreciate it, you
• 35:04
  know. Yep.
• 35:05
  Yeah, yes. Well, you know they say when
• 35:06
  truth walks in, bullshit walks out.
• 35:08
  Right. Is this the bread you get?
• 35:10
  Is this the bread you import? How's the imported bread?
• 35:13
  Yeah, and it's also tasty. Beautiful.
• 35:15
  Big, thick chunks. It's bright white when you take
• 35:18
  it out. Ours is yellow over here.
• 35:20
  But yeah, man, I love that. Right on.
• 35:23
  I love that bread. And that's the bread Fox.
• 35:25
  One of my second cotton as I have.
• 35:28
  So what is it? Give us a give us a wood Crick
• 35:30
  synopsis of what the breath box is because I know I saw it on
• 35:32
  your website, but what's, what's the breath box all about?
• 35:35
  Basically the breath box is reprogramming pathways,
• 35:40
  reprogramming thought patterns, reprogramming behavior using
• 35:44
  subliminal messaging, breath work and guided guided
• 35:49
  narrative. Over the top.
• 35:52
  It's trying. It changes structures of the
• 35:54
  brain and we do it online or we do it in person.
• 35:58
  I would be super interested in that.
• 36:00
  It will change your life. I I every movie star that's been
• 36:06
  through any trouble at all, they've gone through breath
• 36:08
  mocks really because it changes you as a person.
• 36:10
  Whether you want to be the best podcaster or the best dad, it
• 36:13
  doesn't make it's not just for addiction.
• 36:15
  You've actual fact, 1% of the work I do right now is probably
• 36:18
  addiction and alcoholism. The rest is power management and
• 36:21
  getting people healthy and true finding their identity.
• 36:24
  But this software and I invite you both to come and try a free
• 36:30
  session online, but get in with Courtney and I'm telling you now
• 36:34
  when you this is, this is what people do guys, OK, whether
• 36:37
  they're 15 or night. We had a 91 year old woman here
• 36:41
  going through it and this is what they do.
• 36:46
  The fuck was that? We go right.
• 36:48
  Oh my God, I feel amazing. We go right.
• 36:52
  Oh, there's the Benny. There's the Bentley.
• 36:54
  Yeah, there's the Bentley. Beautiful.
• 36:55
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:57
  But is that the bougie? Is that the bougie Mercedes?
• 36:59
  That's what I call them. What they the great in?
• 37:03
  The garage, Yeah. Oh, that's, no, that's the in
• 37:05
  the garage. In the garage.
• 37:07
  In the garage is the Defender by Range Rover, the new Defender,
• 37:12
  and that's a Bentley Speed. That's oh God, that was crazy.
• 37:17
  It's a nice. Car.
• 37:18
  There's a racing car in in. Oh, I don't doubt that.
• 37:21
  It's a Bentley, man. Very manly.
• 37:24
  Yeah, that's just. A payment Hey, the payments are
• 37:26
  not very manly. I'm telling you I wish I had a
• 37:32
  Bentley. So they all say as a just just
• 37:34
  pay 6 grand a month. But for you know for the lease
• 37:36
  or the freaking you'll be good. You can have one easy.
• 37:39
  Yeah, there's the guns. Oh man, I love these.
• 37:43
  Yeah, This is why Jesus from your Facebook page, man.
• 37:46
  Huge. People always ask him that too.
• 37:49
  Where are you? Getting this, bro yeah, it's
• 37:50
  it's your Facebook page. Whoops.
• 37:54
  But see, look at but see here's the cool thing about about
• 37:56
  photos. OK, this guy was this guy.
• 38:01
  Yeah, that is that that right there is that's that's
• 38:05
  summarizes who you are. You went from this, which
• 38:09
  anybody who's ever been an addict on any type of level can
• 38:11
  look at that picture like I looked when I flipped the thing.
• 38:14
  I got chills because knowing this is you now, I didn't know
• 38:18
  you then, but now where you're at now in your life.
• 38:21
  That's an amazing turn around, man.
• 38:22
  And that's why we like people like you on our show, because
• 38:25
  it's life resumes storytelling, it's conversation.
• 38:27
  If if this guy can turn into that guy flying in a helicopter,
• 38:32
  what over Manhattan you can do? Why can't you?
• 38:35
  Why can't you? You know what about?
• 38:37
  And the answer is he can. The answer is you can.
• 38:40
  Everybody, guys, everybody can do this.
• 38:42
  Guys at home listening, everybody, unless you've got
• 38:45
  severe brain damage, everybody can do this.
• 38:47
  This is not, this is not set aside for the elite.
• 38:51
  Get rid of the trauma. Get rid of the shit that's
• 38:53
  holding you back. Find out who you are.
• 38:56
  You can do anything and and stop letting people tell you you
• 38:59
  can't, man, I love it. You can't do that.
• 39:02
  That's kind of crazy. Without without giving up too
• 39:06
  many of your secrets. Because, you know, we don't.
• 39:09
  Want people to. Give up that time.
• 39:10
  We want people to come to you. Yeah.
• 39:11
  If I had gotten up that morning and wanted to live and I found
• 39:14
  myself standing in front of you and I passed my your assessment
• 39:18
  because believe me, I would have.
• 39:19
  I was. I knew I was going to die,
• 39:21
  right? I weighed 128 lbs.
• 39:25
  What do you do differently than if I had just walked in?
• 39:30
  Any other treatment center in America who follows basically
• 39:33
  the same protocols? So we don't believe in treatment
• 39:37
  senses. They don't like us and we don't
• 39:39
  like them apart from a handful we work with.
• 39:41
  It's brilliant. We could call any treatment
• 39:44
  center up right now, live on air and we can say I'm an alcoholic
• 39:48
  and suffering. Do you know what the first
• 39:50
  question they're going to ask you?
• 39:52
  Do you have insurance? So in any way we can all get, if
• 39:55
  we're having shows, they're going to take us.
• 39:56
  It's no wonder the 2 and 3% success rate.
• 40:00
  It's like we don't ask that and we don't concentrate on the
• 40:03
  alcohol or the drug. We don't concentrate on that.
• 40:06
  It's not the problem. The problem was me.
• 40:10
  The problem was always me, the way I was wired.
• 40:12
  I mean, the alcoholic gene is real.
• 40:15
  The hypothalamus, which is part of the brain, it's our survival,
• 40:18
  part of the brain. It tells human beings.
• 40:21
  To eat food, drink water to survive.
• 40:23
  We don't have to think about it. That's what happens from birth
• 40:26
  when babies crying got the hand down the mouth, they're hungry,
• 40:29
  they know they have to eat. The hypothalamus with Alcoholics
• 40:33
  are different to any other addiction.
• 40:34
  And This is why during the alcohol Alcoholics career, which
• 40:39
  it was a career for me, the hypothalamus hijacks the brain
• 40:43
  and tells the Alcoholics to drink alcohol only to survive.
• 40:47
  That's where I can go days or weeks without food or water
• 40:50
  because my primary purpose was while I'm drinking 1 bottle
• 40:54
  where's the other bottle coming from and I'm panicking if I
• 40:57
  don't get the other one. That's the difference.
• 40:59
  Basil ganglia is different and the amygda is different.
• 41:01
  It's. Crazy you say that because you
• 41:03
  have the same. I've known so many.
• 41:05
  I'm sorry to interrupt you but I just had like a goosebumps go up
• 41:09
  all over because I've known so many Alcoholics and they all
• 41:12
  have one thing in common. They don't have any interest in
• 41:14
  food. Oh, because we don't need it
• 41:17
  that the bodies, the hypothalamus is not saying hey,
• 41:19
  let's eat food to survive. It's saying let's drink alcohol.
• 41:22
  So. We're you said it.
• 41:25
  Hijacks the brain. Yeah.
• 41:27
  And that's why everything else go bye bye cared when they took
• 41:30
  my 3 year old off me She was crying.
• 41:33
  The police were there taking I've been I've been drunk for
• 41:36
  two days, not fed, not changed diapers.
• 41:38
  They, they took him out. My it was horrible.
• 41:41
  Do you think for a second that if I had a choice over this shit
• 41:45
  I would have done that? The answer is no.
• 41:47
  When I stabbed my wife 3 * 1 night because she won't let me
• 41:50
  finish my bottle of vodka. That's insanity.
• 41:54
  That's because the choice whether we drink or not is taken
• 41:57
  away because of the hypothalamus and the basal ganglia.
• 42:01
  And see, here's the cool. Here's one.
• 42:03
  It's not a cool thing. But here's one thing Mike and I
• 42:05
  have discussed on the show over over 180 plus episodes.
• 42:08
  The amount of drive and focus that an addict has when I wake
• 42:14
  up in the morning knowing they have to get their high or get
• 42:17
  their fix. If they would just take 10% of
• 42:21
  that as a sober person, the successfulness of that
• 42:24
  individual would be unsurmountable because they'll
• 42:27
  do anything and everything possible to get their meth, to
• 42:31
  get their heroin, to get their bottle of vodka, to get whatever
• 42:35
  drug and whatever it is they're chasing.
• 42:37
  They will stop at nothing to achieve that that moment of
• 42:40
  high, regardless of what it is. Yet then, like you're talking
• 42:44
  about people come to you and I want to I, I, you why?
• 42:46
  Why aren't you like the, the number one realtor in Arizona,
• 42:49
  Chris? Well, you know, I don't know.
• 42:50
  And like, well, there's your problem right there.
• 42:52
  This is why because you don't have the right mindset.
• 42:54
  Let me fix your mindset. So let me fix your mindset
• 42:58
  because then you will be that that mind.
• 43:00
  It's mind boggling to me. So how you just spun it with the
• 43:03
  brain and how it's all functioning and, and how the
• 43:04
  brain does what it does it it, it's always blown Mike and I's
• 43:08
  mind that that an addict will do absolutely anything in their
• 43:12
  power. Anything I remember their.
• 43:14
  Soul. We.
• 43:15
  Tested we had we. Tested that theory.
• 43:19
  We asked 10 or 15 friends around us.
• 43:22
  I can't use in Dallas. I can't remember when you're
• 43:24
  going to relapse. They're currently relapses.
• 43:26
  What they've been sold for at least a month.
• 43:28
  If you're going to relapse, and we hope you don't, can you call
• 43:31
  us and we'll pick you up within 1015 minutes?
• 43:35
  Well, wire to head and wire to the part, if that's OK, to the
• 43:38
  chest and we want to monitor the whole situation.
• 43:40
  We'll take you to the dealer or liquor store.
• 43:43
  You go and do your stuff, come out, we'll drive you back home
• 43:46
  and drop you off. Are you up for it?
• 43:47
  And all ten said yes, we're up for it.
• 43:49
  Every single person that we picked up took there, took him
• 43:55
  back home, you know, and the most thing, toxic cake in part
• 43:58
  of that. Was the drive by the liquor
• 44:00
  store? Oh.
• 44:01
  Really, the drive to the the dealer holding the bottle before
• 44:05
  it's been opened or paid for it was off the frigging chance
• 44:09
  because that. That gives me goosebumps too
• 44:11
  because. I and when they get in the car,
• 44:13
  it's like, hey rock, come on, this is awesome man.
• 44:15
  Thank you so much. They're there because when we
• 44:18
  take the alcohol or drug, we're done.
• 44:20
  Like if you're lucky, you'll last 10 minutes knowing what's
• 44:22
  what. After 10 minutes I, I'm
• 44:25
  oblivious. I don't, I don't know what I'm
• 44:26
  doing. So the drive to.
• 44:28
  The Ritalin rush of going there and holding it while you're
• 44:32
  going back to wherever you're going to.
• 44:34
  And that's why these parts of the brain, it's the thrill of
• 44:36
  the. Chase, it's the Chase.
• 44:38
  It's that's what I got. Like like, like I had somebody
• 44:41
  in my family that was dicta heroin and at at the height of
• 44:43
  their heroin addiction, it wasn't the drug itself.
• 44:46
  It was getting the needle and piercing the vein, knowing
• 44:49
  whether they're going to live or die.
• 44:50
  That was what they were chasing. They no longer chase the high,
• 44:53
  they chase the thrill of the needle.
• 44:55
  That's. The real life example of what he
• 44:56
  just said for sure, right 100. Percent I hated alcohol, I hated
• 45:00
  the taste of it. I hated what he did to me.
• 45:02
  Me too. I hated all the.
• 45:03
  Drugs I was doing too for sure. Yeah, we need that stuff.
• 45:07
  And that's the difference between someone who's a a heavy
• 45:09
  drinker or somebody who abuses alcohol.
• 45:12
  You can stop, man. Abusers coming.
• 45:15
  Well, listen, how old are you, 42?
• 45:16
  Fucking stop. Knob head, that's all you got to
• 45:18
  do. Stop it.
• 45:19
  Behave. You're 42 years old, you're not
• 45:20
  a kid anymore. Then guys stop.
• 45:22
  But then there's the real deals that come here that can't stop.
• 45:26
  And kids and wives and everything go by the by because
• 45:30
  their brain is telling them Once we get clean and sober, once we
• 45:35
  build identity, the travelling, the child trauma, the rerouting
• 45:39
  of brain and the body and everything's been done well, we
• 45:43
  are geniuses. And that's why we build empires
• 45:46
  with people. We don't build fucking
• 45:47
  businesses. Get a website and a credit card,
• 45:50
  $20, you've got a business. Let's build some empires.
• 45:53
  And most of all the people that's left us that stayed in
• 45:56
  touch with us, I've signed that contract for that $1,000,000
• 45:59
  movement. I've signed the contract for
• 46:01
  this. They've started a business.
• 46:02
  They, most of them call us up after two or three years and go,
• 46:05
  hey, do you know what, Doctor Rob?
• 46:06
  You've saved my life, man. I go, why I started that
• 46:08
  business. Oh, how's that business going?
• 46:11
  We're taking $3.2 million a year and I got married.
• 46:14
  You got married? Yeah, I got 3 beautiful
• 46:16
  daughters. You've got kids, man.
• 46:17
  That's the shit I do it for. I don't get involved with the
• 46:20
  money. I don't get involved.
• 46:21
  And they take care of that. When somebody calls me up and
• 46:25
  says that to me or someone spots me somewhere.
• 46:28
  The commodity changed my life. And I go, why?
• 46:30
  What happened? And and they tell me a story
• 46:33
  like that. Paid in full.
• 46:37
  Amen. All right.
• 46:38
  I love that I want to build an empire with Doctor Rob, I'm just
• 46:41
  saying. Build an empire, man.
• 46:42
  Yeah. Don't let businesses.
• 46:44
  I'm excited. I've called it.
• 46:48
  So there's a guy that owns a treatment centre that would
• 46:51
  become best friends and we're just creating this other
• 46:54
  treatment centre model. And I told him blatantly in two
• 46:58
  years time you'll have $10 million in the bank.
• 47:01
  And he's come over and he spent some time with his and about 3
• 47:03
  days ago he called me up and said, you know Rob, I believe
• 47:05
  you. Well, if you don't believe you
• 47:07
  can, you're not going to do it right if you believe you can.
• 47:10
  So when you get up, and I think it was Winston Church, if you
• 47:12
  Churchill that said if you get up thinking of a good day, you
• 47:14
  will if you get a bad day, you're right both ways.
• 47:17
  So you decide in the morning when the subconscious brain
• 47:20
  wakes up in the morning from lack of oxygen, you get to
• 47:23
  change that and and hit the conscious brain.
• 47:25
  You get to program the mind that programs the brain, hence mind
• 47:29
  over matter, to program the brain to have a day beyond your
• 47:32
  wildest dreams. Every single day.
• 47:34
  We have today we don't have tomorrow.
• 47:37
  Oh yes, we have today. What are you going to do today
• 47:39
  that changes the world is what I asked.
• 47:41
  Everybody are coming. Well, what you going to do?
• 47:44
  Well, I can't change the world really.
• 47:46
  Do this tomorrow guys. Next time you're in a built up
• 47:49
  area of people, look at somebody walking towards you with nice
• 47:52
  sneakers and I want you to say 2 words to him.
• 47:54
  Guys, they goes to what? 2 words in them?
• 47:57
  Nice sneakers, what else? That's it.
• 48:00
  And how they go, hey nice sneakers.
• 48:02
  The guy goes, oh, thank you, man.
• 48:04
  And as we turn around and watch him walk away, he's locking down
• 48:06
  his sneakers two or three times. You've just changed his world,
• 48:09
  therefore changed the whole world.
• 48:11
  But he goes on to the wife and now he's in a good mood.
• 48:15
  Then the mother-in-law calls and you get a gist.
• 48:17
  That's the ripple effect we talk about that you will never know.
• 48:21
  But don't tell me guys, you can't change the world.
• 48:23
  It's not true. That's a lie.
• 48:25
  A biggest lie in the world is that you can't make a
• 48:27
  difference. I'm living proof.
• 48:30
  I was a super negative person and I just started doing the
• 48:33
  opposite of everything that I had been doing up to that point,
• 48:36
  right? I made it a point to be nice to
• 48:39
  people even when they disrespected me right?
• 48:42
  I thought that's the the only person that's getting hurt is me
• 48:46
  when I get offended or upset. I heard someone say one time and
• 48:50
  you'll appreciate this as a psychologist.
• 48:52
  If you're easily offended, you are also easily easily
• 48:55
  manipulated. Don't ever forget that, right?
• 48:58
  If you can't control your emotions enough to not be
• 49:01
  offended, you are also easily manipulated, whether you want to
• 49:05
  believe it or not. And you can't offend me without
• 49:09
  you can't offend me without me putting with giving you
• 49:11
  permission to do that. That's the thing nobody knows is
• 49:14
  you might say something nasty, but I need to accept that in my
• 49:17
  heart as being offensive. I don't anymore.
• 49:20
  I ain't giving out hate anymore. I'm I'm giving out gratitude.
• 49:23
  I'm giving out that time. I'm giving out money.
• 49:25
  I'm giving out everything about me.
• 49:26
  So you can say what you want, but I don't accept it.
• 49:29
  That's your belief of me based on jealousy.
• 49:32
  Because there's two kinds of people in this world, guys.
• 49:34
  See, I love making this show. I've.
• 49:36
  Done this show and the guys that want to be you.
• 49:38
  That's it. You see, I've, I've taken a
• 49:42
  thing this year where I'm learning to be non reactionary.
• 49:43
  So I don't react to things. I just let them Stew.
• 49:46
  I just let them sit. I had one incident, I had one's
• 49:48
  innocent in December where I totally reacted the wrong way
• 49:51
  with my daughter. Shit hit the fan.
• 49:54
  And so my wife took a while to kind of believe that.
• 49:57
  And I've had moments, right? I'm not flawless, right?
• 49:59
  I've had probably two or three more.
• 50:01
  Moments. Quick reaction, but on a whole
• 50:03
  from where it was years and years and years because that's
• 50:06
  who I am. I'm always reactionary guy.
• 50:08
  So I've actually found myself like I've enjoyed life this much
• 50:12
  more this year because I'm not reactionary, because I'm not
• 50:15
  allowing the stupid shit bother me.
• 50:18
  And him and I will have private conversations about these
• 50:20
  accomplishments just to not, it's not a bragging thing.
• 50:24
  If people would look at it on the outside looking in, they
• 50:26
  tell look at those guys really patting themselves on the back.
• 50:30
  It's that we used to be different people, right?
• 50:32
  And we used to deal with it differently.
• 50:34
  So when we had these little moments where we're like, hey,
• 50:37
  man, this happened today, and here's how I dealt with it.
• 50:39
  And he'll say the same thing. We just walk away, smile.
• 50:41
  It's like, yeah, we're moving on and becoming.
• 50:43
  You're elevating, right? Because they can't do that, then
• 50:47
  they're going to take a cheap shot.
• 50:48
  And that's all they odd cheap shots.
• 50:50
  It's it's the, the world and people of of see, everyone's
• 50:53
  jealous about what I have, but nobody's jealous about how I got
• 50:57
  here. Thank you.
• 50:59
  That's so brilliant. It's true.
• 51:02
  Look at him and he's bigger. He's like he's paid 300 grand
• 51:04
  for like look at his big million dollar.
• 51:06
  Yeah, you want to come and also look at me when I'm on the floor
• 51:09
  bleeding to death. Do you want to look at me when
• 51:11
  my fucking kids looked at me in the eyes at the ages one and
• 51:14
  three and said Daddy, Daddy don't drink, you know, do you
• 51:17
  want do you want to come back? But no, you don't.
• 51:19
  You just want to judge what I'm doing now and I don't give a
• 51:21
  shit. You waste.
• 51:22
  You're wasting your breath, man. I don't care.
• 51:25
  Yeah. And I think again, Chris, going
• 51:27
  back to that, it's it's largely like, you know, my age.
• 51:30
  It's like you get to that age and you go.
• 51:33
  All these years, I've been worried about what you thought
• 51:35
  about me because everybody needs to be loved, especially when
• 51:37
  we've been through addiction and alcoholism.
• 51:39
  We want to be accepted. It's like, I have enough.
• 51:43
  What? You have Doctor Rob, you have to
• 51:45
  start right Where right where the picture is on the screen,
• 51:47
  right? Now, yeah, and I and I had to do
• 51:50
  that, by the way. Yeah, from that to that.
• 51:54
  But I just want people to understand when he's saying I
• 51:56
  don't give a shit what you think.
• 51:58
  That's why. Because it took from that point
• 52:01
  how many 10s of thousands of hours of hard mental work and
• 52:05
  physical pain to get to what you have in your driveway that is a
• 52:10
  symbol to you that you took care of the people that you needed to
• 52:14
  that loved you, right? That's how I look at it.
• 52:16
  I need to be this person to be of benefit to the people that
• 52:19
  need me. So and whether you believe in
• 52:22
  God, Uncle Jimmy universe, whatever it is, you get paid
• 52:25
  back for that shit because I when they took him off me ages
• 52:29
  one and three, my daughter said three things Daddy, daddy,
• 52:32
  please don't go and then the police down the path.
• 52:35
  He said daddy, daddy, last thing he said the book says Daddy,
• 52:38
  Daddy, please stop drinking 30 years later, which is 4 years
• 52:43
  ago. I'm laying there now.
• 52:45
  I'm a conscious Dr., which means that people pay a lot of money
• 52:49
  for me, which means that if my phone buzzes in the middle of
• 52:53
  the night, I've got to get to the FL within 45 minutes.
• 52:56
  That's the case. But I got a text.
• 52:59
  I looked at it. It was my daughter after 30
• 53:01
  years. And you know how the text
• 53:03
  started. Hey, Dad.
• 53:05
  She called me Dad. She went on to tell me that
• 53:10
  she's seen me on TV. She don't believe it's about
• 53:12
  time with this, it's not going to blah blah blah.
• 53:15
  Can you come over And within like an hour and a half we're on
• 53:18
  a plane flying back to England. We get over there stay in a
• 53:20
  hotel overnight Me and my wife walk towards a house.
• 53:23
  I'm crying, I'm sobbing, I'm shaking.
• 53:25
  I said to Janet I can't do this I can't do this all.
• 53:28
  I let down as we get to the door and I was just about to turn
• 53:31
  away. I said Janet I can't do it.
• 53:33
  And and Charlie and my daughter open the door and we hugged and
• 53:36
  we cried felt like an hour. Janet said it was a minute and
• 53:40
  then she took me by my hand and she walked me into a living room
• 53:43
  and she handed me my 3 month old granddaughter.
• 53:46
  That's why everything comes back.
• 53:49
  For those people that take care of other people, that always
• 53:52
  comes back. She's my lead therapist in my
• 53:54
  Manchester Obvious now. My youngest daughter going
• 53:56
  contact me about four months ago.
• 53:58
  Well, you went, Doctor Rob. You're the first person to make
• 54:00
  me cry on the pocket. Right.
• 54:02
  It's just, I mean, right there I was just like, I tell you what,
• 54:06
  God, if you want to take me now, it's fine.
• 54:08
  But that daughter, that granddaughter, holding her in my
• 54:12
  arms, in that, it's like all the world went, Yeah.
• 54:15
  And I was holding her. And I'm so grateful, you know?
• 54:19
  And I whispered in my breath, God, if you, if you don't me
• 54:20
  now, I'm good. I've had that.
• 54:22
  He doesn't get any better than this.
• 54:23
  You give me, you give me 20 minutes to hold my
• 54:25
  granddaughter. It doesn't get any better than
• 54:26
  this. And I also kept hearing back.
• 54:28
  Oh, no, no, no. We're just starting.
• 54:31
  These are the blessings that you're going to get.
• 54:32
  These are the things that are going to come back to you to
• 54:34
  keep what you're doing, keep what you're doing.
• 54:35
  And you know, I speak to her most days and and my daughter, I
• 54:38
  speak to her every day because we share patience and I go over
• 54:41
  there and you know, it's just that's why I don't give a shit.
• 54:45
  It's like I have enough now, everything.
• 54:48
  I just didn't know that you were.
• 54:50
  I didn't know you were separated for that long.
• 54:52
  I thought that when you, you know, got your shit together, so
• 54:56
  to speak, you got your kids back.
• 54:58
  I didn't, Man, that just really struck me.
• 55:00
  Yeah, I think of that guy on the couch.
• 55:02
  I was that guy on the couch. But, you know, I didn't have any
• 55:05
  kids. So I that's just a whole nother
• 55:07
  level of you were estranged from her for 30 years. 30 years,
• 55:11
  yeah. So when I got over there, I
• 55:13
  didn't really know what I was going to face.
• 55:15
  But you know, you got to do what you got to do, man.
• 55:19
  And my life is full. So our offices right now with
• 55:26
  breath box and my, and my deal here is a sliding scale.
• 55:31
  We give 25% of the company's profits and we're multi
• 55:35
  $1,000,000 businesses. So there's a, there's a lot of
• 55:37
  money they're going back out in communities in America and in
• 55:41
  England we have a nonprofit that does a lot of money and me and
• 55:45
  my wife stick $150,000 into from our own bank account back into
• 55:50
  the communities. Now we had a great one the other
• 55:53
  day because a guy approached us and his wife had not only thrown
• 55:57
  him out, but she'd claimed custody of the children and he
• 56:00
  was fighting to, to see if they were going to court.
• 56:03
  He was fighting for one day a week to see them.
• 56:06
  So we got involved. We worked within pro bono for
• 56:08
  about 3 months and then we paid for his legal fees.
• 56:15
  We paid 12 months on a nice apartment.
• 56:17
  We furnished it. We, we, we got in a suit for the
• 56:20
  for the judge to see. We went and spoke on behalf.
• 56:22
  He gets to see his children twice a week right now and he
• 56:25
  has an amazing relationship with his children.
• 56:27
  That's the shit that we do. That's awesome.
• 56:30
  People don't see that stuff. We do, but that's the stuff I'm
• 56:32
  stopping at every corner and giving people money just because
• 56:35
  it's not my money. The fuck is it worse back home
• 56:37
  at the safe once he's going to not do anything there.
• 56:40
  But I pulled up. I pulled up the other day and
• 56:42
  I'm in the car with a friend and I come up to the lights and this
• 56:46
  guy comes up with a bucket and I stick $20 and God bless you,
• 56:48
  man, bless you. He's like, yeah, no problems,
• 56:50
  man. And my friend says, you know
• 56:52
  he's going to do with that, don't you?
• 56:54
  And I said, I hope he's going to fucking buy alcohol and drugs
• 56:56
  because that's what I did when I was homeless.
• 56:59
  What you do with the money that I bless you with, it's got
• 57:02
  nothing to do with you. Nothing.
• 57:04
  You know, I'll give you money, but there's conditions on it.
• 57:06
  You can't buy alcohol. Give me.
• 57:08
  AI love what you said right there, Doctor Rob.
• 57:11
  My Grammy taught me that a long time ago and it's really helped
• 57:14
  me in life, she said. She said it like this.
• 57:17
  What other people think about you, Michael, is really none of
• 57:20
  your business, all right? Yeah.
• 57:22
  And if you really understand what that means, it's it really
• 57:25
  helps you in your life. The other thing she taught me
• 57:28
  was forgiveness is for the other person, not or.
• 57:31
  Forgiveness is for you, not the other person and.
• 57:34
  That's why then amends come in, you know, when people, well,
• 57:36
  I've got to go make amends. What if they do this?
• 57:39
  It's not for them, it's for you. It's.
• 57:41
  Like what? It's for you.
• 57:42
  You have to make the effort as a changed person.
• 57:46
  So when when we take people through the program and, and we
• 57:49
  changed our pathways, we clear all the things that we do and
• 57:53
  the mind, which is energy connects with another energy
• 57:55
  outside which it always does, your DNA changes.
• 57:59
  That's our difference between any what anybody else does out
• 58:02
  there. Yeah, it's yeah, yeah.
• 58:05
  Who guarantees? Forgiveness.
• 58:06
  Forgiveness is a hard thing too, because you have to look at it
• 58:09
  too. For you're, you're forgiving
• 58:10
  somebody who, who, who monumentally wronged you in your
• 58:13
  eyes. So for you as an individual,
• 58:15
  like for me to forgive my monster of a mother would be a
• 58:18
  major step in my life. And I'm not there to do that yet
• 58:20
  because she, she's just an evil, evil woman.
• 58:23
  But if I did this, I, I'm sure at some point in time, if I come
• 58:26
  to that point where I can do that, I'm sure the weight,
• 58:30
  there's going to be some type of weight that falls off my soul.
• 58:32
  I guarantee that, right? But it, but it's one of those
• 58:35
  things where it's just, it's, that's, that's a hurdle that I'm
• 58:38
  just not ready to, to jump over yet because I'm just not because
• 58:41
  there's. So now I went and did the, the
• 58:43
  EDMR, the the trauma training and I faced some of the traumas
• 58:47
  with that. And those traumas have
• 58:49
  completely left me. I don't think about them
• 58:50
  anymore. When I do, then they pop in my
• 58:52
  head. There's no emotional inaction to
• 58:54
  it. There's no physical ties to it.
• 58:55
  It's completely just, oh, that happened.
• 58:57
  I'm glad you brought that up because I have another path.
• 59:01
  I don't know how much he wants to talk about it, but how much
• 59:04
  credence do you give to like psilocybin and that kind of
• 59:09
  therapy as far as PTSD like he's talking about and maybe MDMA
• 59:17
  therapy, that kind of stuff? I don't think it's been, I don't
• 59:20
  think it's been around that long with, with trials and tested
• 59:24
  scientific reports and medical reports about it.
• 59:28
  So I'm not for it and I'm not against it.
• 59:30
  It's just like if it, if it seems, if it does what it says
• 59:33
  done on the tin to a lot of people, it's brilliant.
• 59:36
  And even, you know, stuff like Suboxone, I don't mind.
• 59:40
  So if you're coming off heroin, I don't mind if you take
• 59:41
  Suboxone, but it's a taper. So if you're still on Suboxone a
• 59:45
  year down, the guess what, you're still a drug addict and
• 59:48
  don't let anybody try and can make you different.
• 59:49
  Yeah, well, I'm clean. What?
• 59:50
  Because a pharmaceutical company was kind of the same make up as
• 59:53
  heroin. Could you Can you imagine, Can
• 59:55
  you imagine the pharmaceuticals company in a board meeting
• 59:58
  going, do you know something, boss?
• 1:00:00
  Do you know all this heroin? We're losing trillions and
• 1:00:03
  trillions of dollars on the streets because of this heroin.
• 1:00:05
  What can we do? And somebody else What if we
• 1:00:08
  come up with a drug, let's for instant call it Suboxone?
• 1:00:11
  And convinced the world that if they went on Suboxone and not
• 1:00:15
  heroin that you clean and it's it's from a doctor and the
• 1:00:19
  fucking world bought it. They bought that shit.
• 1:00:23
  Hook, line and sinker. Right.
• 1:00:25
  And that, that's how people have us.
• 1:00:27
  I mean, you're either clean or you're not, and no one's judging
• 1:00:30
  you. Well, nobody I know would ever
• 1:00:32
  judge anybody. So I did this to get clean.
• 1:00:34
  Do you agree with that? Do you get clean?
• 1:00:36
  Yeah. Fucking right I do.
• 1:00:37
  Well, that's why I ask you because that is basically how I
• 1:00:40
  got clean is on 2 heroic doses of mushrooms and rewired my
• 1:00:45
  brain because I went into it with the intention I'm not going
• 1:00:48
  to do these particular things anymore right.
• 1:00:52
  I wish I would have added cigarettes to that list because.
• 1:00:55
  All the rest of the stuff it, it takes you on a journey,
• 1:00:58
  obviously, but it emphasizes the thought and this way it gets
• 1:01:01
  really important, Mike. It emphasizes the thoughts that
• 1:01:04
  you've already put in your head before you take the stuff off
• 1:01:07
  before you go there. And the mission was used to stop
• 1:01:10
  AB and C. And because it enhances our
• 1:01:13
  imagination, you stop AB and C. That's how that works.
• 1:01:17
  But you've got to be ready and know that you want to quit this
• 1:01:21
  before you go and take that. Because people just go in like
• 1:01:24
  my life sent a mess and they come out and it doesn't work.
• 1:01:27
  And the reason why it doesn't work is you don't have a fucking
• 1:01:29
  plan. I had a good.
• 1:01:30
  I mean, if you haven't got a plan, who does?
• 1:01:32
  Nobody else does. You have to have a plan of your
• 1:01:34
  life. This is what I met Arnold
• 1:01:36
  Schwarzenegger when I was a bodybuilding back in the late
• 1:01:39
  70s. We picked him up from the
• 1:01:41
  airport, we took him to a hotel and then we had to make sure he
• 1:01:44
  got to his two gigs there in Manchester.
• 1:01:46
  And when I was sat with Arnold and this is what set mind set
• 1:01:51
  off for me. I'm 18/19 at the time, just a
• 1:01:54
  kid. And I said to Arnold who
• 1:01:57
  couldn't speak a lick of English, very broken English.
• 1:02:00
  I said to him, the bodybuilding is amazing and we love you
• 1:02:03
  Arnold, but what the hell are you going to do after this?
• 1:02:06
  There's not a lot of money in bodybuilding.
• 1:02:08
  And he looked me straight in the eyes, said oh, I'm going to do
• 1:02:12
  three things. And I said Oh well OK then
• 1:02:15
  what's the first one? I'm going to become the highest
• 1:02:17
  paid movie star in the world. Well, we nearly fell off our
• 1:02:20
  chair because this guy can put 2 words together, you know, But OK
• 1:02:24
  Arnold. OK, well what's the second
• 1:02:27
  thing? I'm going to become a governor
• 1:02:30
  of a state in America, prevalency, California.
• 1:02:34
  And I was like, well, you can't do that because this is
• 1:02:37
  internal. You can't do that because you've
• 1:02:38
  got to be a citizen straight away and born there.
• 1:02:40
  That's the third one. And he said, I'm going to marry
• 1:02:43
  into the Kennedy family. Check and fucking check.
• 1:02:48
  And I also remember that when people say they can't do stuff.
• 1:02:51
  Did you watch his documentary? That's a great story.
• 1:02:54
  No, oh, oh, his documentary, but it, it's, it's, it's not
• 1:02:59
  self-serving at all. So Stallone did one shortly
• 1:03:03
  after because Stallone has to be better than Arnold.
• 1:03:06
  Stallone's is all self-serving. I couldn't watch it for more
• 1:03:08
  than 20 minutes. I'm like, this is fucking
• 1:03:09
  stupid. Arnold's is very humble.
• 1:03:12
  It's very it's, it's, it's not, it's, it's, I don't know how to
• 1:03:15
  explain it. It's just not self-serving.
• 1:03:17
  It's, it's very well done. It, it's worth watching.
• 1:03:20
  If if, if you like Arnold as a human, you'll do it's.
• 1:03:25
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:03:26
  I'm not going to keep dwelling on it.
• 1:03:27
  But it's a good it's a good documentary about who he is and
• 1:03:30
  where he came from and what he achieved.
• 1:03:32
  Now, knowing what he told you when you were 18 years old makes
• 1:03:36
  it that much more. Wow.
• 1:03:37
  Yeah. But that goes back to your
• 1:03:39
  thing. It's the power of thinking.
• 1:03:41
  Yep, all the time. You can do whatever you want.
• 1:03:43
  Quantum physics backs us up here.
• 1:03:46
  I mean, quantum physics is a is a well known respect to science.
• 1:03:52
  And that is if you can picture yourself somewhere with working,
• 1:03:54
  you know, a lot of work around it where you can picture
• 1:03:56
  yourself somewhere like let's say a basketball court.
• 1:03:59
  I've never played, but I think there's ten players on there.
• 1:04:02
  So if you can, if I can think of 10 robs on there, where do I
• 1:04:05
  want to be? Again, never played, but I'm
• 1:04:08
  thinking if I'm near the goal, the net and I get the ball, I'll
• 1:04:11
  stick it in the net and become the header of the game.
• 1:04:13
  That's simple. So the question is, how do you
• 1:04:15
  get there? And the answer is you walk over
• 1:04:18
  and you take that position. Oh, Chris, I'm living perfect.
• 1:04:22
  Fall for it, we started. A band from the.
• 1:04:25
  Position yeah, you've got to you've got to talking.
• 1:04:28
  Nobody's coming for you guys, everyone.
• 1:04:31
  Nobody's coming. I want to make that real clear
• 1:04:33
  to people listening. Nobody's coming for you.
• 1:04:36
  You're on your own here and you can either loll in the shit that
• 1:04:39
  you have right now or you can step out and go, you know
• 1:04:41
  something even for your wife or the kids or you.
• 1:04:44
  You're going to do something with your life and set.
• 1:04:47
  Try and find your own niche guys.
• 1:04:50
  So we we had a guy here that made socks.
• 1:04:55
  So I said to him, we've gone through a program.
• 1:04:56
  Why do you like doing your spare time?
• 1:04:57
  I knit socks. Interesting.
• 1:05:00
  He said he was going to laugh. I said I'm not laughing, it's
• 1:05:02
  just interesting. What for?
• 1:05:04
  For my Gran and my mom at Christmas time, I knit.
• 1:05:06
  Oh, they love it. Website or website and we, we,
• 1:05:10
  we got some socks and photographs and stuff and I said
• 1:05:12
  your deal this month before you leave us on his third month is
• 1:05:14
  to sell 2 pair of socks. He actually sold about 5 pair of
• 1:05:18
  socks. That guy today owns the one of
• 1:05:21
  the biggest happy socks. Can't tell you.
• 1:05:26
  Can't tell you. But yeah, I mean, do you know if
• 1:05:29
  once people there you go, There you go.
• 1:05:32
  Once people can convince you because you're you're convinced
• 1:05:35
  yourself people are buying the people around you that don't
• 1:05:38
  first five people around you that don't you, you that's not
• 1:05:43
  your pond to fish. You move along, move along.
• 1:05:45
  People around you will change. How do we know?
• 1:05:48
  Go back to our testing. And science lab, we got 9 actors
• 1:05:51
  to come into the waiting room out there, and there and there
• 1:05:54
  the instructions was. When you come in, you drink
• 1:05:56
  coffee, you'll hear a buzzer every 45 seconds.
• 1:05:59
  When the buzzer goes, I need to stand up for a few seconds and
• 1:06:02
  I'll sit down. That's it.
• 1:06:03
  We'll give you $100. Are you in The actors went I'm
• 1:06:06
  loving it. They all come in.
• 1:06:07
  We we got one patient that didn't know what was going on,
• 1:06:10
  but we said you know everything of breath box.
• 1:06:13
  She come in sat down the stated set that nine actors stood up.
• 1:06:18
  She's on a phone. So she glances up quick and back
• 1:06:21
  to the phone. They stood up again.
• 1:06:24
  Now the phone goes in a lap and she's looking at these guys.
• 1:06:26
  So they all sit down again on the 3rd buzzer.
• 1:06:29
  So we're like 3 or 4 minutes into this of change behavior to
• 1:06:35
  start with everyone else, which was interesting.
• 1:06:38
  But as we call the actors in one by one as if they were patients.
• 1:06:42
  She was the only one waiting in the waiting room.
• 1:06:45
  She stood up. So the people around you that
• 1:06:48
  negatively involve you with their behaviour will become your
• 1:06:51
  behaviour. It's the mirroring part of the
• 1:06:53
  brain. You can't hang around those guys
• 1:06:56
  if you're not getting lifted up every single day by the people
• 1:06:59
  around you. Rob, you're amazing.
• 1:07:00
  You can do if you're if they're not your guys, you need to move.
• 1:07:04
  You can't change the people around you, but you can.
• 1:07:06
  Change the people around you. Conversation with a friend of
• 1:07:09
  mine yesterday, that's how. The universe is synchronicity,
• 1:07:13
  all right? I literally just said that you
• 1:07:16
  cannot move forward if you are surrounded by leeches because
• 1:07:21
  they will suck everything away from you, even if it's what you
• 1:07:24
  just said. If they're just simply telling
• 1:07:27
  you, why are you wasting your time with that podcast?
• 1:07:29
  Why are you doing this? Why are you trying to convince
• 1:07:33
  people they aren't going to be drug addicts?
• 1:07:35
  Why are you trying to be the best real estate agent you can
• 1:07:38
  be by being all over social media?
• 1:07:40
  Why are think about all the people that tell you why are you
• 1:07:43
  doing this? Why are you guys?
• 1:07:45
  Those are not your people. No, you can be.
• 1:07:47
  Friends with those? People, people stay in
• 1:07:49
  relationships way too long. Yeah, they stay in relationship.
• 1:07:52
  Way too long. They stay in jobs way too long.
• 1:07:53
  They stay in marriage is way too long.
• 1:07:55
  If you're going coming back from work every day and you're
• 1:07:58
  walking on egg shells and your boss is on your back, you need a
• 1:08:01
  new fucking job. If you're going over to your
• 1:08:02
  partner every night and the same thing you need in your wife that
• 1:08:05
  and Oh well, that's easy for you.
• 1:08:07
  No, it's not that hard. It's not that hard.
• 1:08:10
  Marriage is supposed to be amazing.
• 1:08:12
  It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to build shit
• 1:08:14
  together. If you're arguing most of the
• 1:08:16
  time, leave. Yeah.
• 1:08:18
  I mean, if if you hang around 9 depressed people, you will
• 1:08:21
  become the 10th. If you hang around 9
• 1:08:24
  millionaires, you will become the 10th.
• 1:08:26
  I mean, it's just normal brain science behind this is we are
• 1:08:30
  the people we hang around, and you have to cut people from your
• 1:08:34
  life. I, I told you I lost a lot of
• 1:08:37
  weight and about 3 or 4 months ago.
• 1:08:40
  I have a bunch of guys and one of them is always a little bit
• 1:08:42
  sneaky and I walked in in front of everyone.
• 1:08:44
  He goes, hey Robert, see you putting weight on again?
• 1:08:47
  I'm just joking. I'm joking.
• 1:08:48
  He's gone. I had to just stand up and get
• 1:08:50
  the fuck out of the room. I don't need them people around
• 1:08:53
  me because I still have that mind that slightly believe what
• 1:08:56
  you tell me. If you're telling me I can't do
• 1:08:58
  something, guess what? I'm going to question myself.
• 1:09:01
  Maybe you're not this good minute.
• 1:09:03
  And then all that shit that teachers and caregivers told me
• 1:09:06
  as a kid. I stopped believing that stuff
• 1:09:09
  because that's the way children are born.
• 1:09:12
  That's also such a girl. I'm sorry to.
• 1:09:15
  Interrupt you, but that's. Always such a brilliant point.
• 1:09:18
  Doctor Rob, because if you keep listening to those people, you
• 1:09:23
  will become them. I became that person just like
• 1:09:25
  you. The other thing that you said
• 1:09:27
  that is so brilliant is what people would find fascinating
• 1:09:31
  about you, Chris and myself is you can shatter us at times
• 1:09:35
  still, right? I lost all my self-confidence as
• 1:09:38
  a guitar player. If Chris will tell you, if you
• 1:09:41
  heard me play a guitar right now, you would say why are you
• 1:09:44
  not playing with someone? Because I hear that all the
• 1:09:47
  time. Because I literally, somebody
• 1:09:50
  broke me down to the point where I didn't believe that I was any
• 1:09:53
  good anymore. Lost your identity.
• 1:09:55
  I did. That's what people do, you know,
• 1:09:57
  once. Once we find your identity and
• 1:10:00
  all the work is done, you become a very dangerous person in the
• 1:10:03
  nicest possible way, because you you don't listen to the norm.
• 1:10:07
  You know, the norm bores me. I get bored to deviate from the
• 1:10:11
  norm and you know I was that person at. 19 better than I am
• 1:10:15
  now. Yeah.
• 1:10:17
  I hate weak men. I just take.
• 1:10:19
  Wingman, you know and shut up. You know I'm not interested.
• 1:10:23
  Stand up. You know I don't care what you
• 1:10:25
  do in your spare time. You dress up as a woman.
• 1:10:27
  I don't mind. Stand up and be counting.
• 1:10:28
  I had to put up a shut up. I've got time for that shit
• 1:10:31
  around me. Well, you keep saying suffer
• 1:10:33
  fools. You keep saying something that's
• 1:10:35
  so important too. The reason?
• 1:10:38
  That like, let's say the book the secret, the reason that that
• 1:10:41
  doesn't work for most people is because you can manifest
• 1:10:44
  yourself to that place in the universe that you imagine for
• 1:10:48
  yourself, but you have to you keep saying it.
• 1:10:50
  You have to move. You have to do the work right.
• 1:10:53
  You have to show up every day and be present and put the time
• 1:10:57
  in in addition to manifesting your mind to that point,
• 1:11:00
  correct. We we had that's the bench used
• 1:11:03
  to sleep on when I was. Homeless.
• 1:11:05
  I know. That's why I pulled it up,
• 1:11:06
  because again, I want people. I want people to wrap their
• 1:11:09
  heads around this guy turned into this guy, right?
• 1:11:13
  It's this guy to this guy. Whoops.
• 1:11:16
  I don't know what happened there, but yeah, so we did our
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  work around moving forward. And what?
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  We come up with a 7.3 second time frame.
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  If I'm sat on the couch with my wife and the dogs tonight and
• 1:11:31
  I've got a big thing, you're Coke and a big bag of chips,
• 1:11:33
  which I do need, but let's say I do.
• 1:11:36
  I see Arnold Schwarzenegger on the TVI turn to my wife to go
• 1:11:38
  here. I'm thinking going to the gym
• 1:11:40
  tomorrow. I ain't going to the gym.
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  I know it. She's no even the dogs know it.
• 1:11:43
  The dogs are like you're not going to but within a 7.3 second
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  time frame. Once I've said it, if I move to
• 1:11:51
  the bedroom, put my sneakers and my shorts and everything and
• 1:11:53
  move that back over to the front door or the car, there's a gun
• 1:11:57
  chance me doing it. But after 7.3 seconds, wow it's
• 1:12:02
  gone. You're not going to do it.
• 1:12:04
  It's. Crazy that you choose.
• 1:12:05
  That time frame because when I was talking to Chris.
• 1:12:07
  About my recovery. I started taking life 10 seconds
• 1:12:10
  at a time, and I never knew why I used that time frame, but I'd
• 1:12:15
  always thought if I can get through this 10 seconds, I can
• 1:12:17
  get through the next 10 seconds. Nanny becomes a working part of
• 1:12:20
  their mind. See, people want to think about
• 1:12:22
  the past. What's going?
• 1:12:22
  To happen to the future. I've not got a job.
• 1:12:24
  I can't pay anybody. Stop.
• 1:12:26
  Stop that shit. The scary thing to me was when
• 1:12:29
  someone said you have to instill to this day.
• 1:12:31
  That's the reason I'm still addicted to nicotine.
• 1:12:33
  I got to rewire my brain, right? It always scared me when someone
• 1:12:38
  said forever, you know, when I thought I'm going to no longer
• 1:12:41
  be a drug addict. Now what am I going to do,
• 1:12:44
  right? This is my identity.
• 1:12:45
  This is what I do. The thought of doing that never
• 1:12:49
  again was overwhelming, but I could do it for 10 seconds.
• 1:12:52
  Yeah, I do that in the day. So I have no idea what I'm doing
• 1:12:56
  tomorrow. Like my my assistant will text
• 1:12:58
  me she text me every night at 6:00 PM for what I'm coming the
• 1:13:01
  next day. I I don't want to know.
• 1:13:04
  So like I said last night at 6:00, being Bing Mike and Chris,
• 1:13:07
  I'm like, oh, this guys. Yeah, she messaged.
• 1:13:09
  She messaged me about the same time and we saw it for mom.
• 1:13:11
  Like yes, we. Are yeah, I don't want to know
• 1:13:13
  what's tomorrow. Is I'm going to pack everything
• 1:13:15
  in today, I'm going to do. Everything I can today to make
• 1:13:17
  me and other people's life blessed.
• 1:13:19
  That's why I'm here for there's no stopping me.
• 1:13:22
  I mean the best shape of my life mentally and better than ever
• 1:13:27
  been. I'm surrounding up people that
• 1:13:29
  love what I do and vice versa. I have an amazing wife who who
• 1:13:33
  loves and believes in in what we do and and life is and life is
• 1:13:37
  amazing. And and again, I, I it's easy
• 1:13:40
  for you to say fuck that. No, it's not.
• 1:13:42
  You're you went to college, who gives a shit?
• 1:13:44
  College degree was OK. 20 years ago there's.
• 1:13:46
  No ROI and a fucking college degree are you?
• 1:13:49
  You think these shit means anything when I'm sat in front
• 1:13:52
  of a chronic alcohol? Who's fucking dying of untreated
• 1:13:54
  alcoholism? What, He's just going to go like
• 1:13:57
  my my my wife's brother? There's no warning on real
• 1:14:00
  suicide. He's with with his family, with
• 1:14:04
  Janet, my wife and the family barbecuing.
• 1:14:06
  He says I'm going to go home. I'm I'm trying to not drink.
• 1:14:09
  I don't feel good around alcohol hugging Janet.
• 1:14:12
  I'll see you tomorrow. We're going shopping tomorrow.
• 1:14:14
  And this is what the cameras show.
• 1:14:16
  He goes up the driveway into the garage, gets out the garage,
• 1:14:20
  reaches for a gun and blew his fucking head off.
• 1:14:23
  Wow. That's reality of a life, man.
• 1:14:26
  So you better get your shit together, guys.
• 1:14:29
  You don't have to live like that.
• 1:14:31
  You've got to start living it in today and believing that we only
• 1:14:35
  have now. What else do we have it like
• 1:14:39
  I've got 1:45 PM my time. I'm enjoying this moment.
• 1:14:43
  I'm not thinking what I'm going to do at 2:15.
• 1:14:46
  I'm not right. No fucking killing it now, baby.
• 1:14:50
  We're just yeah, baby. Oh, let's do it.
• 1:14:55
  So this. This, I think, is a good kind of
• 1:14:57
  spot. Just kind of wrap things up.
• 1:14:59
  Because you, you're, you have things to do today.
• 1:15:02
  We have things to do today. And I, I like where, where we've
• 1:15:05
  gone with this. I definitely want to have you
• 1:15:07
  come back on the show another time because I feel there's so
• 1:15:09
  much more we could talk about, especially with everything that
• 1:15:12
  you do because again, your life resume is fantastic.
• 1:15:15
  Time is valuable. We truly appreciate your time.
• 1:15:18
  Mike and I have both been touched.
• 1:15:20
  I saw that real quick, man. Yeah, your energy is infectious
• 1:15:23
  and. I feel blessed that you did
• 1:15:25
  this. Anytime you want to come back,
• 1:15:27
  you reach out to us and you're welcome back here anytime.
• 1:15:29
  I just yeah. And I'm, I'm hyper.
• 1:15:32
  I feel like I just did a line of speed.
• 1:15:34
  And that's, that's what you expect, right?
• 1:15:36
  Where do you guys live? I live in Illinois, Arizona.
• 1:15:40
  Oh, I'm in Arizona soon. Illinois Tyson over there.
• 1:15:44
  When you come to Arizona. Give me give me a heads up when
• 1:15:46
  you come to. Arizona I.
• 1:15:47
  Will so off air when we go, I'll get your phone numbers, but
• 1:15:50
  listen. Guys.
• 1:15:51
  Cool. Yes, this is the book.
• 1:15:53
  Daddy. Daddy, please stop drinking.
• 1:15:55
  That's my daughter Charlie. That's me.
• 1:15:57
  OK, 10 copies. Let's give them away free.
• 1:16:00
  Just mention the show. Mention Mike, Chris or Rob.
• 1:16:03
  I'll sign it for you. I'll send it.
• 1:16:05
  I'll pay for the shipping and everything.
• 1:16:06
  On what condition? That you give it to somebody
• 1:16:09
  else when you're done there you go we'll put that on our
• 1:16:12
  Facebook page and we'll put it on we'll.
• 1:16:14
  Forgot how to put on the website.
• 1:16:16
  So you want to find doctor Rob, just Google doctor Rob Kelly.
• 1:16:18
  You're going to see all his, all his stuff.
• 1:16:20
  He's everywhere, his website, his all the social media stuff
• 1:16:23
  like that. Definitely if you're struggling
• 1:16:26
  with anything, not just addiction, if you want to change
• 1:16:27
  your mindset, you want to change how you're thinking in life.
• 1:16:29
  You want to achieve more than you think you can.
• 1:16:31
  This guy can help you do that. I, Mike and I will both reach
• 1:16:34
  out to Courtney too, because I want to take I want to try that
• 1:16:37
  thing out that you mentioned because I I there's value and
• 1:16:40
  everything you said today and it resonated with me on so many
• 1:16:42
  different levels. So we're going to have a little
• 1:16:45
  journey. I think Rob for sure.
• 1:16:47
  I think so he's Doctor Rob Kelly.
• 1:16:50
  I'm Chris Dunham. He's Mike Michaels.
• 1:16:51
  This. Is the Chris and Mike show.
• 1:16:52
  Remember, if you're feeling suicidal, depressed, don't do
• 1:16:55
  it. Go journal, go run and go go
• 1:16:57
  workout. Go scream in a pillow.
• 1:16:58
  Go find somebody to talk to you. If you can't find someone to
• 1:17:01
  talk to, you can text 988. Somebody is there waiting to
• 1:17:04
  help you, talk you off that Cliff, get you off that edge.
• 1:17:07
  Tomorrow is a better day because you're waking up in it.
• 1:17:10
  Don't leave a hole in somebody else's heart because you decide
• 1:17:12
  to take your own life. It's not worth it.
• 1:17:13
  Again, tomorrow is a better day with you in it for Chris and
• 1:17:17
  Mike show and doctor Rob Kelly. I'm Chris.
• 1:17:19
  He's Mike. That's doctor Rob Kelly again.
• 1:17:21
  Love you, Mike, love you, doctor Rob.
• 1:17:23
  I know you. I don't even know you, but just
• 1:17:25
  talk, man. Amazing, amazing time with you
• 1:17:28
  today. We so appreciate your your time
• 1:17:30
  and presence. We're going to have you back on
• 1:17:32
  for sure. Thank you.
• 1:17:34
  And yeah, we'll definitely be in contact again.
• 1:17:37
  Until next time, everybody, see you.
• 1:17:39
  Peace.