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Clearview Ranch & The Meadow | Katie Page - Trey Hudson · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: So with that down. We have a dynamic duo here
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  Speaker 1: for you guys, well, really a dynamic creo. I guess
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  Speaker 1: you could call it if you count me. She has
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  Speaker 1: ties to high strangeness at the ranch in Colorado known
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  Speaker 1: as the Rocky Mountain Ranch but better known as the
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  Speaker 1: Clearview Ranch. Ranch predates the infamous skin Walker Ranch by
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  Speaker 1: over a decade. She's appeared on the History channels, Beyond
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  Speaker 1: Skinwalker and on The Unexplained with William Shatner, Travel Channels, UFO, Witness,
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  Speaker 1: and many others. Here to discuss her experiences at the ranch.
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  Speaker 1: Katie Page, Welcome back to the show. How are you doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thank you for having me writer, I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad to be back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going to be a very interesting discussion
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  Speaker 1: because next we have former DoD US Army Military Intelligence
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  Speaker 1: Security Specialist, anti terrorism and counterintelligence field investigator, author of
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  Speaker 1: two books now and his most recent book titled Return
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  Speaker 1: to the Meadow Further Adventures at the Salse Skinwalker Ranch
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  Speaker 1: that you can order on Amazon Prime, which I highly recommend.
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  Speaker 1: Terrey Hudson Welcome back to the show. How are you doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Hetty Page here,
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  Speaker 3: Tony there in the background, Tony, I said hello too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here. And I was so excited
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  Speaker 3: about this. You know, this show. It looked like it
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  Speaker 3: might not happen, but some puzzle pieces fill in. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm feeling good and I'm ready to rock
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  Speaker 3: and roll.
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling good too. And it's an honor and a
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  Speaker 1: privilege to bring both of you guys together. Have you
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  Speaker 1: guys ever done a show together before.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have, We've spoken together conferences.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting because there's a lot of different
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  Speaker 1: parallels between both of you guys. Is what you guys
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  Speaker 1: are ok with, what you've been through when you were
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  Speaker 1: younger at the Clearview Ranch. I think it's important to
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  Speaker 1: give people just I know it's hard to summarize because
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  Speaker 1: there's so much going on with both of you guys,
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  Speaker 1: But Katie, first, could you just give the audience a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a reminder of what was going on
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  Speaker 1: at the Clearview Ranch, the Rocky Mountain Ranch back when
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  Speaker 1: you were there as a as a youngster, as best
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  Speaker 1: that you can remember. And then we'll get to the
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  Speaker 1: medal with Trey, and then we'll try and bring some
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  Speaker 1: of these puzzle pieces together. Because I've seen a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Trey's footage, he hasn't been able to release it.
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  Speaker 1: One of these days, Tray's gonna come on. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be able to watch all of the footage that he
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  Speaker 1: has at the meadow. But I've seen it and I
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  Speaker 1: know that it exists and there is really good. It's
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  Speaker 1: probably the best evidence of something that's uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: high strangeness. One of these days, I'm going to get
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  Speaker 1: you on here, Tray. You already got you got the documentary?
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  Speaker 1: Is it out yet?
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  Speaker 3: It's you know, it's like right in post production and
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  Speaker 3: I had a meeting with the director and producers I
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  Speaker 3: think week before last, and something just happened that kind
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  Speaker 3: of made my jaw drop. So it's like, okay, do
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  Speaker 3: we want to like delay it and put this in?
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  Speaker 3: So you know, it's uh, you know, it's it's the
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  Speaker 3: world of film production, but it's, uh, it's right on
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  Speaker 3: the cusp, right. I know. I've been pitching this thing
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  Speaker 3: for a while and people are like, yeah, you're full
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  Speaker 3: of crap. You know it, really, we're really close.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen the footage. It's really incredible foot I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure that Katie has seen the footage as well. But Katie,
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  Speaker 1: please give us a little review of you and the
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  Speaker 1: Clearview Ranch for the people.
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  Speaker 2: That Before I get to that, I just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: say I've had the honor and privilege to work with
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  Speaker 2: Tray's team a couple of times. I went once, once
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  Speaker 2: with my second oldest son out there, and another time
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  Speaker 2: I went out by myself, and every time we've encountered
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  Speaker 2: strange things there. And what I just respect and admire
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  Speaker 2: so much about Trey and the team is the protocols
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  Speaker 2: they have and the equipment they have, and they're really
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  Speaker 2: trying to capture the data which they have. So I
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  Speaker 2: love that and I want to try to model some
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  Speaker 2: of that and replicate it here at the Ranch. And Trey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, came out last year for the Snippy event.
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  Speaker 2: We just reopened you know, the book Snippy and that.
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  Speaker 2: But he will be here again at the end of
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  Speaker 2: August the twenty second to the twenty fourth of the
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  Speaker 2: Snippy Event. So one of these days I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: kidnap you, Tray and all your equipment and have you
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  Speaker 2: work out.
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  Speaker 3: I would love to do it. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: our little half day trip, you know, it's a weird place.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you can go there and you can feel,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's an energy there. It's like it's a
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  Speaker 3: little unnerving. It's a little unnerving, it really is.
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  Speaker 2: And that is a wonderful lead into just kind of
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  Speaker 2: two minutes or less. See if I can put in
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  Speaker 2: what happened to me as a kid. I first, I
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  Speaker 2: want to tell your listeners I did not live there
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  Speaker 2: full time. Thank goodness I didn't, because I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I'd be here talking about it if I did.
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  Speaker 2: The three boys that did live their full time, they
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  Speaker 2: all moved out of the state of Colorado. I have
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  Speaker 2: contact with the youngest son on Facebook and we talked
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  Speaker 2: on occasion, but they want to forget about what happened
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  Speaker 2: at the ranch and move on with their lives. That's
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  Speaker 2: how much it affected these guys. So when I experienced
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  Speaker 2: all this, I'm nine to eleven, twelve years old. In
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  Speaker 2: this period, my mom was dating the gentleman that owned
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  Speaker 2: the ranch. They both worked. My mom was a key
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  Speaker 2: punch operator for United Airlines, worked the Divertech Center, and
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  Speaker 2: met the gentleman that owned the ranch. So that's how
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  Speaker 2: I fit in there. Both my sister who actually premiered
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  Speaker 2: with me on Beyond Skinwalker for the first time on
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  Speaker 2: season three. Just recently. I kind of had her talk
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  Speaker 2: her into doing that with me, because when she was there,
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  Speaker 2: she's six years older, so she's in the teenage years.
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  Speaker 2: She actually went to the high school prom out there,
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  Speaker 2: and she experienced some very scary things out there, and she,
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, has been able to kind of stay
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  Speaker 2: away from the hitchhiker effect that has plagued me pretty
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  Speaker 2: much my all entire life. And that's something we can
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  Speaker 2: talk about a little bit later. So both my sister
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  Speaker 2: and I experienced some strange things. You know, there's the
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  Speaker 2: trifecta that happened out there on the ranch from the
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  Speaker 2: paranormal and shadow figures and ghosts and that which followed
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  Speaker 2: me home. We lived about fifty minutes away from the ranch,
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  Speaker 2: but I experienced things at my house as well, which
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  Speaker 2: I just thought my house was haunted. I didn't connect
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  Speaker 2: it to the ranch until all these years later, when
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  Speaker 2: all this kind of blew up with Beyond Skinwalker or
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  Speaker 2: I mean Skinwalkers at the Pentagon that book and they
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  Speaker 2: started really talking about and delving into the hitchhiker and
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  Speaker 2: I went, oh, ding ding, Ding ding ding. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that's been going on for a long time. But we
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  Speaker 2: had cryptids there as well, and these strange boxes that
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  Speaker 2: Trey and I have in common there. What's interesting about
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  Speaker 2: the boxes, and we can talk a bit about too,
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  Speaker 2: is they're kind of described differently different sizes. The Higden
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  Speaker 2: case was different, but yet there's something to these boxes.
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  Speaker 2: So that was going on, and then when I finally
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  Speaker 2: got access and found out that somebody was actually out
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  Speaker 2: there researching, which was apro the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization.
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  Speaker 2: Unbeknownst to me when I was a little kid, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know anybody knew anything about it. In fact, we
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  Speaker 2: were threatened in more never to talk about what happened
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  Speaker 2: out there, and talked about that later as well. But
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  Speaker 2: there was doctor Leo Sprinkle, PhD, Peter Bannarsdale, PhD, and
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  Speaker 2: John dor PhD, a seismologist, and others. They had a
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  Speaker 2: really well known psychic, Chlorice's Bernhard app there on the
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  Speaker 2: ranch investigating. So this was an ongoing thing. This is
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  Speaker 2: where Lynda Moulton how got her start. She was out
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  Speaker 2: there as an investigative journalist talking about the rash of
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  Speaker 2: cattle mutilations that were going on. One thing that differs
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  Speaker 2: the ranch from the meadows is I don't think the meadows.
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  Speaker 2: Does the meadows have a lot of mutilations?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's one place that differs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, jinks that I'm gonna, you know, see something tomorrow
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  Speaker 3: of you know, some sort of deerhead stuck on top
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  Speaker 3: of a pole, you know, with a Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I hope not.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing really weird.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I hope not. But you know, so all this
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  Speaker 2: stuff was going on and you fast forward, and I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, started wondering what the heck all that was.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I started talking to my mom and my
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  Speaker 2: sister about it, and then found out about Moufon and
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  Speaker 2: John Schustler, who is one of the founding fathers of
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  Speaker 2: move On, is here locally in Colorado, and he knew
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  Speaker 2: of the Rocky Mountain for Clearview Ranch report. He had
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  Speaker 2: the original documents and reports, and so he bestowed that
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  Speaker 2: upon me, which led me to leave Sprinkle, which led
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  Speaker 2: me to all the original documents. And here I am,
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  Speaker 2: almost fifteen years later, still asking questions and still trying
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  Speaker 2: to piece together what the heck was going on out there,
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of led me to I really do
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  Speaker 2: believe that a big piece of this puzzle has like
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  Speaker 2: black access projects that were going on CIA involvement, Air
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  Speaker 2: Force involvement, and that's just one piece of it. That
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  Speaker 2: being said, though, there's still strange things going on, very
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  Speaker 2: similar to what's going on at the Meadows and other
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  Speaker 2: places around the world, you know, even in the UK,
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  Speaker 2: that aren't explained by that. So I'm left in this
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  Speaker 2: kind of weird world of these two camps, you know,
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out how they go Like this, Well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm automatically suspicious whenever someone is told to never talk
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  Speaker 1: about this, like you can't say anything about this, because
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  Speaker 1: normally that means that it's some sort of military or
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  Speaker 1: some kind of government project. I mean, did you guys
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  Speaker 1: see the New York Post Pentagon the new file that
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  Speaker 1: came out this side that they're just literally giving new
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  Speaker 1: Air Force recruits like fake UFO photos and fake UFO document. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not to say anything about it, and then they just
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  Speaker 1: read it and they see all the photos and then
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  Speaker 1: they believe that it's real. That's what Paul Benowitz too.
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  Speaker 1: They did that exact same thing to Paul Benwooz. They
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  Speaker 1: were like Okay, Paul, you're you're getting some really good information.
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  Speaker 1: I think that you might be onto something there, Paul.
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  Speaker 1: And then they just let him run with it. And
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  Speaker 1: then he just goes on and start seeing that it's
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  Speaker 1: all extraterrestrial and it's all UFOs and all that, and
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  Speaker 1: they don't correct them because they want that mythology to
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  Speaker 1: continue to roll on, because if they think that it's extraterrestrials
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  Speaker 1: or UFOs, then that gets the eye off of them
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  Speaker 1: it being the military, because we can do something about
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  Speaker 1: the military. Right, it's just humans, it's human coruft. But
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  Speaker 1: anything about extraterrestrials or UFOs or interdimensional beings, Okay, they
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  Speaker 1: just operate with impunity because their technology is so advanced. Right,
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  Speaker 1: And that's been the constant that's gone on since the
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  Speaker 1: seventies all the way up until modern day. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they've been rolling with the same type of psychological operation
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  Speaker 1: that they've always done. And that's not me saying that
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  Speaker 1: there isn't anything supernatural or other realms don't exist, because
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  Speaker 1: I do believe that they do. I think that the
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  Speaker 1: majority of it can be explained that it's military, that
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  Speaker 1: it's some sort of operation and again, whenever they whenever
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  Speaker 1: they say don't talk about this, you can't say anything
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  Speaker 1: about it, that means that that there's something that's going
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  Speaker 1: to link them to the operation, right that you can
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  Speaker 1: say something that you can bring something to light that's
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  Speaker 1: going to bring shud light. That is a military psychological
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  Speaker 1: operation that's going on, and that is not extra treustrials.
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  Speaker 1: Because if it really is extra trusture, who cares, what
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  Speaker 1: are they going to do? Like, what are the extra treasure?
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  Speaker 1: What they really think that you're that important that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to blow the lid on extraterrestrials like that. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's the opposite way around. I think that you have
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  Speaker 1: the information to blow the lid. That is some sort
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  Speaker 1: of more pary psychological operation. And that's just my thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what I just want to throw a little former professional,
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  Speaker 3: you know, little tidbit in there, is that the allegations
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  Speaker 3: of taking commanders, bringing them on board, and reading them
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  Speaker 3: into a false special access program as a secure professional
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  Speaker 3: special access program security guide. That disgusted me because you know,
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  Speaker 3: guys like you know me and my former life, we
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  Speaker 3: work so damn hard to protect this information, I mean
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  Speaker 3: really hard, and you know, and we instill upon the
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  Speaker 3: people that we read into these programs how serious it is.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason it's serious is this is very special
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  Speaker 3: information and that, in the interest of national security, needs
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  Speaker 3: to be kept secret, and an extra level of secrecy
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  Speaker 3: in protecting needs to be given to it. So to
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  Speaker 3: manufacture some fake program and read people in as some
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  Speaker 3: sort of ha ha ha, you know, you know, hazing
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  Speaker 3: ritual I just find disgusting. You know, it makes a
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  Speaker 3: mockery of the thirty four years I spent, you know, doing.
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  Speaker 1: This stuff, and they didn't stop it tray until twenty
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  Speaker 1: and twenty three. They just stopped it two years ago.
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  Speaker 1: How long had that been running? And that's like the
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  Speaker 1: other thing is like Sean Kirkpatrick, I've been going around
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  Speaker 1: and investigating this stuff and like looking into it. He's
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  Speaker 1: head in, the director of Errow, and all the ufology
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  Speaker 1: is just kind of like throwing him under the bus.
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  Speaker 1: But he's doing his due diligence. He's out there trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure all this stuff out. So then when you think, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well how long have they been doing this hazing ritual?
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  Speaker 1: Because he goes with these people that has this information,
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  Speaker 1: and then the people are like scared and like afraid
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  Speaker 1: to see anything about it. They're scared and afraid to
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  Speaker 1: see it. Anything about it is because they were told
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  Speaker 1: not to see anything about it from their actual government.
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  Speaker 1: That's giving them missing disinformation and fake photos and fake documents.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And he was happy in the Missile Defense Agency
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  Speaker 3: m d A. You know, he was you know, things
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  Speaker 3: were fine, and he was drug in you know, into this,
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  Speaker 3: uh this other office and then just you know, put
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  Speaker 3: into almost a no win situation.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned Paul Bennowitz, which enters Richard Dody. And that's
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  Speaker 2: part of the problem I'm having because Richard Doughty, now
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  Speaker 2: as we all know, is kind of out there and
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  Speaker 2: says he speak in his truth and in that. But
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  Speaker 2: I still have trouble with that. One thing. I asked
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  Speaker 2: Richard Doughty when I saw him in Laughlin. I was
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  Speaker 2: curious if when he was active duty doing all this
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  Speaker 2: you know, covert work with Paul Bennowitz out there, was
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  Speaker 2: he aware of the Rocky Mount Ranch or Clearview Ranch
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  Speaker 2: at the time. And he said that he was. And
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  Speaker 2: then he was the one that helped me foil for
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  Speaker 2: the A seven D incident, which is also interesting I've
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  Speaker 2: been doing a lot, you know, now that we have chat,
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  Speaker 2: GPT and GROCK and everything, I've been kind of utilizing
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  Speaker 2: that to help me with my research to see kind
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  Speaker 2: of how it, you know, gets all this data together
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  Speaker 2: and what answers. But if you try to search this
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  Speaker 2: incident that I know happened, there's nothing out there on
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  Speaker 2: the internet about it. But I don't know how to
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  Speaker 2: take how to believe somebody that was a disinformation person
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  Speaker 2: but is now stating that that's that he's telling the truth.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of like, once you're that, you're kind of
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  Speaker 2: always that. And I feel like the program's still continuing.
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  Speaker 2: They may say they shut it down a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years ago, but did they really. I'm kind of really distrusting,
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  Speaker 2: and rightfully so, I think, given the circumstances of the life.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know. I just wanted to mention that, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's one thing I've always wanted to take. You know,
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  Speaker 3: some of these people that are you know, the ADOTI
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  Speaker 3: is one of them that you know. Now I'm telling
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  Speaker 3: you all of this stuff, and you know, blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 3: Like how do you get around your d D form
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  Speaker 3: twenty eight thirty six, which is your special access in
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  Speaker 3: doctrination form. How do you get around that? You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's stuff that I will never talk about ever, ever, ever, ever,
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  Speaker 3: ever talk about, and that's because I, you know, made
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  Speaker 3: an agreement and I understand the consequences if I talk
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  Speaker 3: about it. So how do these people who are you know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: former government you know what whatevers just totally throw that,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you know, that non disclosure statement just out the window
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: and they're able to prawlops around, you know, unmolested. You know.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Well, the only way that they would be able to
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: do that is if they're not speaking about anything true.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Right, or if they're there, or if they're saying something
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: to try to misdirect from the you know, the os
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: behind the curtain. Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm just
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: looking at it from my professional perspective, right.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: But there's a difference between the information that you know, Trey,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: that you're never going to speak about that has to
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: do with intelligence stuff that has to do with intelligence
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: collection and intelligence data and probably some advanced form of
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: weapons technology that you're not allowed to speak about. I
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: don't think that the things that you're not allowed to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: speak about it has anything to do with extraterrestrial right, zero.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Zero to do with you. I'm the one former government
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: guy that my job had nothing to do with the UFOs.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that's the difference is that your
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: information is real, top secret, classified information. Who's playing music
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: up in here trying to.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: That was my TV when it was in sleep mode
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: and decided to wake up at the most inopportune moment.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Paranormal want to paranormal, I'm trying to get you, dude.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: But one of the things that I really like about well,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: not that I really like it, because I'm sure it
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: was very traumatizing for you, Katie, But one of the
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: things that is really interesting about what happened to you
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: at the ranch was the voice. The voice that came
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: through that warned everybody that you know, basically that they
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: need to leave. And that's something that's really interesting because
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't even know if like
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: anyone could really pull that out all. You know, That's
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: something that's really because didn't the voice come through like
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the entire house? It sure did it and sation real
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: quickly for everyone.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The power was out, and if you go back and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: read the original Apple report, it didn't just happen the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: one time I happened to be there. It happened a
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: few other times twice in the report. That's also stated,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: so three times in the report on the ranch, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: happened to be there for one of them. But what's
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: interesting to me about that electronic disembodied boys kind of
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that was threatening and warning.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Here, I'm thinking it's like an isolated incident just in
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Over County. But I'm talking to Paul Sinclair and he's
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: out there doing research in the UK, and here's an
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: electrical sounding, disembodied voice. We hear, I know, Trey, don't
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: we hear voices and sounds out in the meadows. So
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: again it's this kind of weird like is it the military,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: is it plasmopol technology or is it something else altogether?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Is it portals? I'm finding out things that aren't too
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: pleasant about, you know, things that happened there that was
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: in confidence, cameras rolling, you know. I'm learning about when
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Greg and his wife Chris bought the ranch, and they
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: bought it after it was abandoned by the family of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: my you know, my mom's boyfriend. They purchased it Sat Bacer.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: They bought it, but they were some the farious things
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: going on behind the branch house and did that open
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: up something that's negative in nature? That's kind of where
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: it gets into the scary realm of things. And I
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: think Trey, didn't you just boy you and get something
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: about something that was also kind of that kind of
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: ritual kind of thing.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's something that uh yeah too much. Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: thank you much. Yeah, that we we've had kind of
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: a revelation, you know with our site, which you know
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I just shared it with uh with with Katie today. Uh.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: That's that's really, you know, kind of unnerving, which makes
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: you wonder, you know, what is out there and what
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: are we opening up and what are we letting out?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: You know, at these places of extreme high strangings, especially
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: those that have some sort of portal or quasi portal,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: you know Jenesse quad to it, you know, what is
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: actually coming in and out? And it's it's kind of
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: crazy because you know, one of the things that Katie
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: saw the video of the slinker, I think I played
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: it up in Colorado a few weeks ago, is we
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: you know, we were able to record something slinking along
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: the ground, which matches up with you know, the description
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: of something coming out of a portal there at Skinwalker
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Ranch back the knits you know Bigelod days. You know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: something coming out of a portal and slinking around. And
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: our friend, uh Christy Hudson, Uh, she kind of had
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: precognition of it, uh, you know before we actually captured
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: it or we saw it. Uh, not the time in November,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: but about a year ago she had precognition of something
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: slinking around and it was caught once again on thermal.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: So uh, you know these areas are I hate to
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: sound hyper bully, but you know, are they gateways?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Are they you know what our forefathers talked about, you know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: places in the forest where you would fall into the
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: ferry realm, you know if you go back to Gaelic
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: folklore and all of that. So you know you have
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to wonder because I know you know certainly that uh
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: at the Clearview Range there is a there's a weird
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: you know energy. You know we were talking about that earlier,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: weird kind of you know, sensation, and it was specifically
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: at the place you took me, Katie, where the box was,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you know that that you all saw.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and when I took the film crew back
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: there that first night. I was back on the ranch
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: since I was a little girl, you know, and we
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: were expecting snow, but not to that degree. It was
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: coming down hard. You can see it in that first episode.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And literally I'm walking in front of the crew to
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the location of the box. And of course they don't
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: put the box in the episode because it doesn't tie
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: into the Skinwalker ranch. So there's a lot of things
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: that they leave out. Maybe someday they'll put the box
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: stuff in there, but anyway, so I'm walking them back
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: to where I saw the box, and we did do readings,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and that's why that where we did the readings was
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: in the episode, but they didn't tell us why we
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: were back there. But as we're walking in the blizzard,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: just like what Trey mentioned out of I mean, it's
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: just this coming down hard. You see the snow, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: then these bipedal footprints and then they disappear and reappear
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and disappear as if something was curious. Like that's how
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I felt, like, you know, it's usually very dark and quiet,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: nobody's ever back there, and all of a sudden, all
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: these people are here in a blizzard with cameras and everything.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: It was like something came up from underground almost and
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: was curious and went under and came up and went
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: under again. And the fact that they were able to
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: capture that was great because we were all like, holy,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's exactly what it seemed like to me,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: as if something and there's aquifas under there. As a
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: matter of fact, right at the ranch, like right where
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: it's hits, there's two aquifas that come together different water tables,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: or are their tunnels or caves underground where something's coming
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: in and up from. I don't know. One of the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: first things that was recorded out at the ranch were
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: these strange hums and bangs and things from underground, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: they can never tell where they were coming from. So
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: are they tunneling through there or something buried at the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: landing site?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I do not know.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: All questions that I would look to have answered.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So you you guys seen the footprints as they were forming, Well.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: They were just there. I didn't like see them form,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: but we could see them. And what it was snowing
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: so hard they were filling really fast. So even our
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: own footprints were filling with snow really really fast. So
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it had to have just happened. I mean, it seems
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: to me as we were walking up, something had to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: be there because the tracks build up really fast because
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: that's how heavy it was snowing. So whatever it was
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: was there just before we got there.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Was this before or after? You got the handprint on
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: your shoulder.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: That was before, And a couple other things happened too
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: after they filmed that part I did. I was not
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: prepared for that much snow, so I was just wearing
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: my blue jeans. And that's also the night of that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: burn on my back. But I had many layers of
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: my vest and a sweater and a shirt and things
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: like that, but I had blue jeans on and I
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: had fallen forward over the bobbed ware fights, so my
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: pants were soaking wet. I was freezing. So after we
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: got done filming that part, they were like, they had
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: a pickup truck, like facing the back of the woods
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: where I had all these experiences as a kid. Now,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think the team was really thinking at the time.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I think they were like, well, just let her go
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: in the truck and warm up. So I go sit
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in the pickup truck to warm up, and everybody left
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: me there. They were like going back to the ranch house,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: like putting away camera equipment and doing their things. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I was in that truck it seemed like for fifteen
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: or twenty minutes, terrified out of my mind, just looking
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: into the forest where I had all these terrifying experiences,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: going what the hell they just left me here? But
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: while I was looking, I saw a red pin point
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of light in the trees, you know, So I did
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: have that experience as well out there. And then when
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: they were shooting the rockets the next day, they did
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the smaller rockets out you know, by where the box was.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: They shot the bigger ones from a different location, but
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the small rockets were right there. In one of the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: rocket guys we both heard like what sounded like big
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: bird wings, like a huge bird loud, and we're like,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: what the heck was that. We all investigated it. We
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: didn't see anything, and there were reports of these large
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: cryptid birds in the area of Hilbert County. But what
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: was interesting was when we came back from trying to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: find what that noise was, the one of the rocket
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: launcher guys felt like it got punched in the gut
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and he had the same thing happened to him at
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Skinwalker Ranch, and so he had this physical incident that
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: happened right after that large whatever bird sound was. So
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: there's these weird, little outlier things that happened and also
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: happened out at the meadows, you know, that don't even
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: make it to an episode or really get investigated, but
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it's just weird little things like that that just keep
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: it going. What the heck's going on?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Well, back to the ritualistic aspect of this, because I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: find that really interesting. Was it Jim or John or
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: one of them that was burying like precious metals or
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: something on the property at the Clearview Ranch and then
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: was like summoning these like having events happening. Is that true?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: He was doing that?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah? This is Yeah, this is part of the puzzle
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: that I really feel has ties to the CIA or
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Air Force in this Black Access project because my mom's
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: boyfriend and they're all past now, so I'm just going
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to use their names. His name was Jack. He worked
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: with my mom in the Denver Tech Center. He had
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: a wife named Betty. They changed the names in the report.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's Barber and the report and Jack and
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Betty both had new love interests and we're going to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: get divorced. The interesting thing is they never did get divorced.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: They stayed together till the very end of their lives.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: But Betty was dating this mysterious guy from San Francisco
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that was part of Air Defense Command and had all
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: these strange you know, the psychologists and doctor John and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: the boys, the youngest one that I talked to there
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: like he's, you know, he's a liar, he made everything up,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: he's you know, I mean, they really don't like this guy,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: and for good reason. But he was the one that
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: had all these really strange experiences and talked with the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: ets and with berry silver and turquoise. And actually, when
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I was out filming for season one, I lost my
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: silver bracelet out there. I still haven't found it, so
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: it was like something took my bracelet that I worked
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: for years. But all that being said, if it was
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: just the testimony of this mysterious John guy, who I
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: think was MK ultra government guy, I would have discounted
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: everything except for everything we experienced firsthand. But it was
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the whole area of Elbert County, so it wasn't just John.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: It was the sheriff, the under sheriff, many witnesses. It's
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: like something open that affected the whole county and then
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: these small towns out there. Do you know what I mean?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Gray, Have you had anything weird happened at the medals
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: like revolving around precious metals or burying precious metals or no,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: anybody that previously was out there that buried precious metals,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: because I find that really interesting, the copper, copper, and silver.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: If it's like buried, it kind of like stirs something up.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Or if like you dig on the property, isn't that
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: like a big thing is skin Walker? If like you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: there are something like creates more activity.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was the myth of you know
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: at the Skinwalker ranch is you know, don't dig on
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: the property. You know, the big older was told that
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: when he bought it from the original owners, and then
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: when Brandon Fugel bought it, you know, that was passed
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: on to him. Now the meadow uh is on public
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: land and you know it is very remote, but albeit
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: it is on public land, so there's not any real
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: digging going on there, you know where uh, you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: regular person could go and dig and do their experiments
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and their their stuff there. So there's none of that
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: that I'm aware of, you know, no, you know, ritualistic
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: you know type activity right there in that look. And
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: now there is some other ritualistic stuff that's happened in
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: other parts of this this vast forest, but as far
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: as right there, none that I'm I'm aware of.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Now that's interesting. I always thought that that was really
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: interesting aspect. And the way that the story is told, Katie,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: is that the guy that you're referring to as Jack,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: which I again I know them by different names because
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: they changed them all. But Jack he buried something like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: some kind of big This is before the voice, so
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you can correct me if I'm wrong. But you guys
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: had visitors over, like friends or something before the voice happened.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: We were the visitors. We had friends over and stuff.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: We were the friends.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So just you guys there. So did Jack
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: bury something before the voices happened to like stir this up?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Or did the voice just come out of nowhere? What
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: was the event that led up to this, like this
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: voice coming through the walls and essentially saying to like leave.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't Jack married it it was John. It
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: was Betty's boyfriend John, so his name was John, and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: then Jack was my boyfriend. And even in the report,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: if you read it, it says, well, I can't remember
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: if they referred to Jack as John. They kept the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: names really similar, Betty and Barbara and Jack and Jim.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I think Jack was Jim where Jim was John. I know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: it's crazy, so it's confusing Jo. But yeah, but Jack
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: lived with us during the week, and his two younger
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: sons lived with us during the week to attend a
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: larger school district, the Cherry Creek School district. So the
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: oldest son had a lot of things happen with John,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Betty's boyfriend. Does that make sense. So my mom was
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: dating Jack. Jack and the two younger boys lived with
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: us fifteen minutes away from the ranch, but on the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: weekends we'd go and visit the ranch and they'd visit
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: their mom. So on that particular evening we were there
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: for Betty were it was a weekend. We were there
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: for Betty's birthday. So all the adults are playing board games,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Me and my sister and the boys are hanging out
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: in the back bedroom where that big light came down.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And what's interesting when I watched this last season of
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Beyond Skinwalker, Greg who lives there. Now they have skylights,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: and that same location of the house. He just had
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the same experience just recently of these bright lights coming
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: down in through the skylights was right there where we
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: were hanging out in that bedroom. That's when all the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: power went out. That light came And then what's interesting too,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: is I'm watching that season. You know, they talk about
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: how me and my sister really don't talk a lot
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: about what happened, and that's true. The reason is my
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: sister moved to Wyoming when I'm eleven years old, so
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: she's gone out of you know, she's gone, she started
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: her family, she got married, she's living her life, and
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: then you know, that's how life goes. But I was
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: watching this third episode of Beyond Skinwalker and my sister
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: is being interviewed in the bar and talks about the
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: banging on the wall, and I had forgotten about that,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: but that was going on at the same time. So
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that was happening a lot at the Ramseys. Sasquatch type
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: creatures to my mom called white fuzzies, was like they
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: were menacing. They would bang on the walls and like
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was military again to try
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and scare us out of there. But that's the other thing.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: If they wanted us off the property, it sat bake
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: it for over ten years, they could have bought the property.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Why do that unless it was some psychological experiment, doesn't
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: make sense to me.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be the only thing that I would
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: think of, too, is like some sort of psychological operation,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: like how can we mess with these people as much
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: as to be possible? And would they go as far
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: as to dress up in a Sasquatch suit? Maybe I
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: don't know, but were they did? Did you see what
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: she was calling the white fuzzies? Did you see?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I never saw the white fuzzies, But my sister, that's
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: one of the things she doesn't like to talk about.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I think that night, so she went to the little
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: town of Kiawa's I think they had a graduating class
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: of like seven or something, and she went with the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: oldest son to the high school prom and after prom
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: they went back to the ranch. And that's a night
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: that my sister really I think something really horrible happened
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: because it terrified her to that degree, and I think
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: it involved one of these sasquatch, white buzzies.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Now, Trey, you've had some encounters with some as you
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: could call them cryptids at the meadows, right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've also had encounters with white you know cryptids,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you know, like white bigfoot type creatures. And this was
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: you know, early on in our investigations, like I think
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen. But you know, but since then, you know,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: we've you know, we've here something akin to the Sierra Sounds,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: you know, the you know, the mumbling off in the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: distance that is a lot like the mumbling that was
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: her in the Sierra Nevadas by Ron Warhead. Uh, we've
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: uh captured things on thermal that are I'm gonna say
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: man sized objects not necessarily man shaped. Ah. I see,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: we've had a traditional bob squatch that was in the
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: background of a photograph that looked like a creature standing
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: there with a brow ridge you know, in a face.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: But you know, once again, are we making something out
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: of a natural occurrence? But yeah, that area that you know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: where the meadow is is just really rife with cryptid sidings.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And you can go back to b F R O,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: you know, and put in those coordinates and it's just
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: actually covered up with cryptied sidings.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's a very cryptid rich environment. And I
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: did a in the first part of my second book.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I have a section called Congruences, and I take four
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: really well known places of high strangeness. The Kiowa Ranch,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: they Clear Ranch, I take Bradshall Ranch, I take Marley Woods,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: and I take Stardust Ranch, and I look at similarities.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Encryptids are one of the most common similarities across the board,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: that there are some sort of uh, some sort of
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: tie in with our cryptid creatures. Uh. And also orbs
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you mentioned the red light orbs are probably the number
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: one common occurrence, you know, in these areas of high strangeness.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: What do you think of the Stardust Ranch?
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, the Stardust Ranch. It is an extraordinary tale,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: you know. And I'm being very gracious when I say that,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I personally have some questions about cutting off the heads
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: of aliens with samurai swords and shooting automatic AK forty
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: seven's up into the sky and all of this other stuff.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: But the gentleman was a license social worker, you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a you know, a psychology training a person who was
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: trained in uh, psychological counseling. And so you know, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: I know my wife, my wife, my daughter is a
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: social worker, so I understand what goes into being a
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: licensed social worker. And for him to come up with
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: these crazy stories while he was a practicing social worker
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: seems almost like career suicide. You know, it seems you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: just doesn't make sense that somebody would do something like that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Who wants to maintain their career. What is interesting to
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: know is after Stardust Range was sold, there's been no
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: reports of strange happenings at all.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Same with the Amityville horrors. Is the same type of thing. Yeah,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: but didn't his what didn't his wife work for the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: CIA to.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Work for the work for the FBI? And I do
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: not believe she was a special agent, but I do
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: believe she worked in some sort of administrator support.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure that she also worked in the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: for forensics too in the FBI as well. So it's like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: if you're killing, if you're really killing these things with
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: samurai swords, like you're saying like and he said several
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: times that he just let the body like the body
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: is just like decomposed or whatever. Right, Okay, what your
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: wife works for the FBI as a forensics analysis, like
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: why would you not get any of the DNA? Like
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: why would you not get something and put some of
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the DNA and too.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of discrepancies and they're one of them.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Kind of along those lines, is his wife corroborates a
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: lot of the stories, you know, especially the part where
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: she was levitated and moved out of the house, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: you know, she corroborates a lot of it. It's like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: you know, I know that working for the FBI. I
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: think you have to have a minimum secret clearance to
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: work for the FBI. And one of the things that
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: security managers, guys like me look at, it's psychological fitness,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: you know, and you know, having psychological issues is not
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: necessarily you know, you're you're you're out of the program,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: but it's something that you know, we watch for as
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: people need to be mature, stable and reliable. So you know,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I I'm not one to poo poo on people's experiences,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: but you know, some of those experiences you line up
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: quite nicely with other areas of high strangeness, and some
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: of them seem quite extraordinary, almost beyond belief.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're working for the FBI, Like you have
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to have a scene in a in a rational mind.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what happened to you?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Like you still have to keep your insanity? I mean,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: how many your sanity? Sorry did I say insanity? You
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: have to keep your sanity when you're because you're to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: be dealing with a lot of things, right, like a
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: lot of probably a lot of horrors that you've seen
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: or that you've read about. So I don't understand how
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: it seems some weird craft or some weird gray alien
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: is going to be any different to you than seeing
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: all the other stuff that you've dealt with in the FBI.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Why you couldn't keep your composure about you at least
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: enough to think, Oh, I need to get some DNA
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: samples of this entity that my husband just chomped pieces
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: with a samurai sort.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: One would think. And I do believe, and I'll have
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: to go back and read my own chapter, but I
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: do believe that he sent some samples too. And I
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: can't recall off the top of my head a geneticist
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: or some sort of scientist. And I'm trying to remember
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: there was something kind of fishy about that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And uh, the guy ended up dying, But the guy
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: was also like almost ninety years old or something.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was something. It was something really strange, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you know, like I wrote a chapter on it. I
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: should remember this stuff. But yeah, it was you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: he did supposedly send some samples off for analysis, but
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: the analysis was the guy died before the analysis was
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: complete or something like that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was already old. I don't know, I
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: don't really buy it buy that one, Like, well, I can't.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't wouldn't anybody jump on the opportunity to study that?
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Like why does it have to be one of the oldest, Yeah,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: forensic people in the United States. It's like basically already.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Probably because he works for cheap you know, he's not
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: going to charge you twenty thousand dollars to do an
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: analysis and he's so old. You know, you get a
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty. I'll take a look at it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: That's why. But have you have you looked into the
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: bets ball at all? You know what I'm talking about.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: The bets Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I've looked into it a little bit. To me, it
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: looks man made.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. The bets sphere is the metal sphere with
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: approximate diameter of eight inches twenty centimeters weighing around twenty
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: two pounds, uncovered in nineteen seventy four and Florida.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I was thinking I thought you were talking
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: about the one that just was found within the past
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: thirty days.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: No, that's a that's a direct copy of this story.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: So on March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy four, the Bets
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: family investigated a small brush fire near the residence in
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Fort George Island, Florida. The family of three came across
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: a small metal sphere the size of a bowling ball.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Their first thought was that the sphere was a cannonball
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: left behind from the New World conquisitors. They decided to
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: take the sphere back to their house. Several days later,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Terry was playing the guitar in their home. The sphere
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: seemed to react to this of the guitar and made
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: a throbbing noise. Later, the sphere was noticed to roll
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: around on its own and even stop on his own
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and change direction. Terry started doing experiments with the sphere.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: He noticed that the sphere would reverberate when hit with
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: a hammer. He also found that the sphere would move
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: after being shaken or placed on the ground. The Bets
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: family reported that the sphere moved on its own several
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: times and would follow people around the house seemingly on
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: its own. Eventually, they stored the sphere in a truck
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and only took it out to show friends and family.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Now with this Wikipedia article doesn't tell you, well, maybe
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it does that the military came and confiscated the sphere,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: ran a bunch of tests on it, okay, then supposedly
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: gave the sphere back to the family, and the family
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to this day says that they didn't return the same
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: sphere they gave them back, a faulty, made up sphere
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that was not the original sphere.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Sounds likely.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I thought that that's a really interesting, really interesting one.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, at the face of that, like it
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: sounds like this family is telling the truth, Like I like,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: you know, what do they have to lose there? But
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the fact that they got a fake one back and
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: now again where we have this new ball that kind
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: of mirrors this story. What is that again? Is that
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: disinformation coming out?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know it seems like a of the same
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: story that happens ever like ten or fifteen years and
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: becomes popular again, and then this is the new version
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: of that old story.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And the funny thing is is, you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: supposedly these things are sent off, you know, much like
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: the Stardust Range stuff, sent off for analysis, and the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: data that comes back is either you know, not really
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: solid data, or it's you know, it doesn't come back
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: at all, or you know, the person that does the
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: uh the analysis is suspect, so you know, and that's
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: that's this latest sphere. You know, it leaves me with
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of questions.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Isn't it the X ray it? And it looks like
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: what's inside of a bowling ball?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Is a yeah, yeah, what do we know what the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: name of that one was? That was brought to us
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: by good old Stephen Greer, wasn't it?
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah? That I don't know. The latest one. I'm not
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: sure where that came came from. Supposedly it was like
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: the hovering over a hovering over village in Central or
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: South America, and then it dropped and then the you know,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: the village people went and recovered it, and it's you know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: it's covered with arcane, you know, symbols and stuff, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: and and supposedly like if you take it, if there's
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: like an arcane symbol one side as a symbol of infinity,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: if you shake it and you turn it up, it'll
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: give you the answers like we'll say you ask again
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: later or most definitely. Oh wait, that's a magic eight.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Ball, I know, the car being like the straight lines
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: look curved. They're really like if an alien did that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: They're not very good at that. Yeah, that's pretty It.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Looks like a high school art project.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well I can't find the pictures of it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Madrig eate ball fall from the sky.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: That's funny. Tray, you have this subtle sense of humor, but.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: You know, talking about you know, stuff getting you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: getting coming back, like you know, redacted and stuff. Is
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I just just got a FOI your request back on
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: something I've been digging on. I think I sent it
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: to you today in the email, Katie. I've been fighting
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: with us for about two years and it comes back
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, all these black rectangles redacted, redacted, redacted,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: and it's like, well, you know, I can go to
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: other sources and find out what you're redacting. That's that's
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: not a problem. I can figure this out. But you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: it's like the uh.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: That's what I get back to. Yeah, and then it's
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: crazy to me that I have. I can grab it
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: really quickly. It's down here, this huge packet, and then
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I know this event happened, right because here's everything about
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: the event and all the pictures and everything. Of course,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: big blacked out things like this one. Look at that. Yeah,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: but you go research it anywhere on the internet, it
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: says it never happened. Yeah, if you research November eleven,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five to a seventy's that crash Melbert County, Colorado. Nothing, Yeah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: like they erased it from ever happening. And isn't that interesting?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: What do you think of like AI and using these
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: you know, chat, GBT and rock to find information because
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: really it only can give us what we put in it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's a good tool. I mean, it's
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: it's like anything else. It's a tool. I know that.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I actually had somebody I recommend I do that, you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: looking at commonalities among areas of high strangers, and I'm like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm you know, I'm a gen x er.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I never would have thought about that, and well, but
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense, so, you know, like
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: anything else, like Fox Motor said, you know, trust but verify.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: You know, if something comes through you know chat, GBT
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: or brock or whatever, you know, just just verified the
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: source where it came from.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, it's a good starting point. Like I've
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: been digging on a piece at the Clearview Rocky Mountain
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Ranch that I'm starting to get some clues that are disturbing,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: mind blowing and revolutionary. And the fact that writer invited
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: me on the show when I just learned you're actually
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: doing a whole project on this very topic is no coincidence.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: That's another thing, like coincidences aren't like yeah, for a reason.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm anxious to share everything I'm finding because it's
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: it is a jumping off point. But I think there's
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: so much more to be learned. And again we're getting
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: into some kind of scary, sketchy stuff to be digging into.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: At one point, does somebody knock on your door or
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: pay you off or do something if you get too
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: close to the truth And maybe Trey, you know, have
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: you ever had that, like what would the military do
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: or the CIA. I think it's more CIA. Actually, there's
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: actually a picture on the ranch if you it says
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: CIA right on the ranch from the air.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, and writer and I have
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: talked about this before, is if if somebody the way
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: that the program is supposed to work, if somebody stumbles
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: across information that is either collateral classified, you know, secret toopsy, confidential,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: or special Access program or special Compartment of Information is
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: special agency security specialists will go to that person and
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I'll say, hey, you know, you saw something that you
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have seen. We did a very bad job
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: of protecting that information and the interest of national security.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: We would like you to sign this thing. It's called
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: an inadvertent disclosure agreement, saying oopsie, you know you saw something.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Sign here and you're agreeing not to talk about it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: But you know, I need to remind you it's just
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: because you saw it or found out about it does
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: not mean that it's not classified. And by the way,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: here's the US Code on Disclosure Voluntary disclosure of classified
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: defense information, and part of the penalty is prison. So
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I just want to remind you about that, and would
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: you please sign my form here, and that's how that
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: is supposed to go.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I don't think that they're going to come
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: out for you unless you have any top secret or
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: a secret or classified information that you're not supposed to have.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just figuring stuff out and you're putting two
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to two two and two together and you just happen
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: to hit it on the mark. It's still don't there
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: because you have no proof.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, well I will say this, you know, and
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to confirm it. And I I was
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: ever involved in anything like this where somebody figured something
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: out from unclassified sources and you just you know, it's
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: like they can crosswalk how they found this information, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: back to unclassified sources, and you apply to their patriotism,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you know, say hey, look, you know, we're really trying
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: to protect this information because it protects you know, this technology,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: it protects this collection method, it protects this source whatever,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: and you know, we really, you know, we need you
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: to you know, be a patriot and just you know,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: not talk about it. And you know a lot of
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: times people will do that. They'll say, oh, you know,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I had no idea, and uh, you know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: and they'll acquiesque. Then you have some people that want
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: to push the envelope, like the individual that decided he
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: would fly drones over the fence line into the area
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: fifty one and then post the photographs from those drones
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: inside of a national defense area, and he got a
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: visit from a lot of guys with badges and suits,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: you know, And so you know, we have to be
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: kind of careful with that, you know, not only on
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: the government side, but also on the civilian side on
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: what we disclose.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: That's all well and good if it's just you know,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: aircraft and weapon technology and whatever technology. But when you're
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: dealing with psychological experiments or are things done to children, Yeah,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: things done to people in state hospitals, or you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: fagrants and people, this is what they don't want out.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: They don't want any shred of proof that this ever happened.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, we know this stuff happened.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I have to wonder about that, is you know, when
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: they cover up stuff, you know, like you're talking about,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: are they covering up because the information is so sensitive
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: or is it because it's just so damn unethical.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: It's so damn unethical.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: That's policular right now. They're covering their asses because it's
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: like like mk ultra and you know some of the
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: stuff the army did with toxins, you know, in the
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: subways to track how epidemiology, how stuff spread. Uh, you know,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: it's just it's unethical and uh, you know it just
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: is cringey. So you know, and that's that's something that
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: I also find equally disgusting is is covering up dishonest
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: and unethical activities using you know, legitimate uh information security
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: programs that you use to protect classified information. That's you know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: that's disgusting and and you know it's it was unethical.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Well speaking, this is a perfect segue on with experiments
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: on children because we talked before we started the show
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: that I had Treon around a month ago. We talked
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: about the Gifted programs and this is this type of testing,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: the psychological psychic testing going on in schools, and Trey
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: remembers it. Trey was involved in the program. I had
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Walter Bosley on he was also involved in the program.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: And then earlier when you joined the check, I asked
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you about it, and you were also involved. And you're
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: bringing a lot of things together here for me, So
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: what did what was your experience like in school? Were
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: you involved in these programs that you have headphones? Do
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: they do hearing tests on you? Did they do vision
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: tests on you? Did they make you drink some sort
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: of liquid?
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the liquid per se, but for me
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: it was opposite. And I'm going to send you let
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: me see, And this is what I've been glancing at
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: because this is kind of new research for me, and
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I'm just now tied these pieces together. I'm going to
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: be really excited to share this with you, Trey, and
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: with you writer to get your take on it. It's
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: forty one pages here of just information I'm digging. And
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: what I was involved in wasn't the gifted program. I
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: was labeled as extremely hyperactive ADHD, and back you know,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: in the mid seventies, this was like kind of before
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: ADHD was really a thing. It was like, oh my gosh,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: no artificial sugars, no artificial sweeteners. They said I had
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: a speech impediment. I was pulled out all the time
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: into this room and you know, doing just different testings
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: with speech and language. I was always put in these
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: smaller classrooms and in fact, I missed so much of
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: regular school that I fell behind with my academics, plus
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: all the trauma. I had a half brother who burnt
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: down two of our houses, and I think where I
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: kind of tied in since my half brother was taken
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: to Pueblo State Hospital, and we know the CIA and
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Air Force was working with trauma and children I was
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: put into. I can remember this small trauma group in
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: elementary school continued through middle school of like ta for
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: cots and these like psychological I was always being pulled
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: out talking to psychologists and testing with blocks and all
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So it wasn't necessarily the gifted
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: brought side of things. It was more the oh, you
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: have learning disabilities, you have dyslexia, you have the trauma
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: going on, you have speech impediments, all this kind of stuff.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: So that's something I would love to do. Can I
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: go back and get my school records and see what
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: groups I was taken to and why. But one of
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: the things that happened during the ranch was this learning
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: It was called the Twilight Learners and it was the
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Thomas H. Badinski, who right here I just found out
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: he was actually worked at an Area fifty one with
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: the US Air Force. He worked on the SR seventy
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: one Blackbird, and he was part of the radar It's
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: really long. I don't want to read it all to you.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to send it to. But the
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: navigatational systems for these craft and these planes, and he
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: was part of the Black Access project. He later opened
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: up the Denver Biofeedback Institute, two buildings over in the
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Denver Tech Center from where my mom worked. So that
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: night of the Disembodied Electrical Voice Writer, that night when
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I got back from the ranch, I fell to the ground,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: had tunnel vision. I was paralyzed, I couldn't speak for
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: a while, and I got my first full blown migraine headache.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: At that point, I was put into this program for
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: a year with Thomas H. Bodinsky where they hooked things
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: up to my head and to my fingers for my
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: migraine headaches. Okay, but the more I'm learning about this,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: and when I send you these documents, you're going to
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: be mind blown, because that I think was part of
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: what they were doing, was trying to get a handle
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: on lowering and raising body temperatures in that to control
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: migraine headaches and anxiety. And stresses and stuff. But when
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I read this, I think there's a lot more nefarious
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: things that were going on with this project of the
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Twilight Learners, which became the Gateway Project, which the reason
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I started listening to the Gateway tapes. I started hearing
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: the same tapes that I was listening to as a
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: ten year old little girl, going, oh my god, this
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: is the same tapes. Right, it's all tied together.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the hearing test tapes that you had
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: when you were in school? What were those?
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: I remember just like different like sentences and words and
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: repetition and like puzzles and blocks and magnet just all
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: sorts of different little things like that.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to ask you a question, Katie, and
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: it just you were talking about that, and it kind
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: of a little light went on when you were talking
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: about they were testing you for a speech impediment. You know.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I recall also being told I had a speech impediment
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: and having to go, you know, visit with a pathologist.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: And one of the words that I keep remembering that
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: they focused on was the words star, star, star. And
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that rings any bells.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: With you, not necessarily, but a lot of thhs and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: rs and your typical speech things. But what I do
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: recall about that though being pulled out so often, is
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: we do a little bit of that, but then it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: would transition to like drawings and puzzles, and maybe some
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: of that was the trauma stuff going on, because you know,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: my dad, you know, goes away, my parents get divorced.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: That's how Jack enters the picture with my mom and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: my brother sent away to the public of State. And
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, that's how it all tied together. I'm just
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: piecing these together like now, and I'm talking with my
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: sister about it too, and she believes that that makes
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of sense how our family got involved at
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: the Rocky Mountain Clearview Ranch.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: And why, Well, having you repeat the same word or
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: phrase over and over, that's like that's programming, Like they're
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: essentially trying to program you. Yeah, that's the psychic Driving's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: directly one of the mk Ultra programs. That's like having
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: you repeat the same phrase, the same word over and
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: over and over again. It could even be like a
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: trigger word in some cases. That's how that they would
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: do it. That's how they would program a trigger word
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: into your mind. After they had traumatized you, after they
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: had drugged you up, after they'd done all this. That's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: why I asked you about the liquid Kittie, because several
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: people have been Walter remembers a yellow liquid that he
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: was told to take. Other people remember like a pink
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: pepto bismal thick type of liquid that they were that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: they had to take, And the reason that they had
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: to take them was for all different reasons. Some people
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: said that they were vitamins, like the daily dose of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: vitamins that they were supposed to get. Other people said
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: that there were vaccines. Other people said that they were
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: for for eight and four other things. They were in.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Little whitish plastic cups like that big. I remember that
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: they were that big and they were like this white
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: plastic little cup.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And when I send you this, it'll be interesting.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: I'll have to come back on and see what you think.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: But they talk exactly about all that in these documents
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I found about Thomas H. S. Pedinski in his role
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: in all this.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: They're actual their official documents.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: These, Yeah, it's document It references all the documents on here.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I said, this is just within days.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: It kind of blows my mind that you're bringing all
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: this up. But yeah, there's all sorts of links here
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: for you to follow, and I'm just so happy that
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: somebody can look at it and help me with this
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: piece of the puzzle because I do think it's very,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: very relevant.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: And you said he was at the University of Denver.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, he but he's I mean, what's weird is
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: his transition from being in these black projects at Area
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: fifty one and working on the you know, he also
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: worked with Lucky skunk Works Blackbird Mock three plus strategic
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: reconnaissance aircraft developed by Lucky. He worked on the internal
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: systems engineer at a groom lag blah blah blah, and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he switches to psychology, which
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: is also interesting because John Duke at the Ranch was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: a psychologist with Air Defense Command, and all of a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: sudden he's working on this early this early learning program
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: and biofeedback out of the Denver Tech Center. And then
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: they my mom. I will never forget my mom because
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: you know, all these migraines, I'm missing a lot of school,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: and my Mom's like, oh, a gentleman came up to
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: me at work and showed me, you know, this flyer
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: about this Thomas H. Pedinski in the biofeedback program, and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: it just happens to be two buildings over and puts
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: me in the program. That wasn't accident at least, I
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: don't believe. So after I read all this, I'm just like, holy.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like you said, there, you know, are
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: there really coincidences in the world?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: M No. And I hope that somehow, with people starting
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: to talk and communicate and put all these pieces together,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: that we can blow this up and bring this out
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: of the you know, out of the shadows and into
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the light where it belongs. Because I think probably hundreds
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: of people were affected by this, if not thousands of people,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: who knows, I don't know how the scope is.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I think thousands, millions, if not millions, because they were
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: doing it everywhere. They were doing this in California, they
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: were doing it in Florida, they were doing it in Colorado,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: like and all over the.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Place, Maryland, Washington. Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I think that it was like this blanketed type of
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: system that was some sort of contract with the Monroe Institute,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: with the CIA that was to put this into the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: school systems. Because they couldn't just openly go out and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: like start testing everyone's children. And I think the ADHD
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: thing and like the speech impediment stuff was an excuse, right,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: There's an excuse to give to the parents to put
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: you into these types of programs because the parents are
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: going to listen to whatever they say, right, They're gonna
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: be oh, yeah, yeah, there's something wrong with them. We
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: got to put them into this this special program or
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: into this gifted program. But like the ones in California
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: weren't like bad programs, right, they were mentally gifted programs.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: They were called MGM mentally Gifted Minds. So it made
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: them make them out seem like that they were like special,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: like you're special, ooh, balloon.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Because you're special in my case too. I think maybe
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: it depends on the family structures at the time too,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: because here I had a mother who's all of a sudden,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: you know, dealing with an adopted half brother son who
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: burns down the house, and a husband that leaves and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: is sorry to have, an alcoholic and very abusive and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: she's trying to raise two daughters and put a roof
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: over her head. She doesn't have time to pay attention
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: to what's going on with little Katie or Chris. So
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: we're kind of thrown to the wolves, no offense mom.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: My mom passed last year, and there has been a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: lot of anger about it because I didn't feel too protected,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: and especially during the ranch yers when we're told, Me
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: and my sister were angry about it to a degree
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: because we had to keep the secret. And I don't
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: think my mother or any adult in the situation realized
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: the damage that had psychologically on all these crazy, weird
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: things happening to us and we're not able to talk
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: about it to each other. I mean, we had each other,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: but my sister, you know, she got the heck out
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: of there soon as she could and moved to Ioming.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: I don't blame her for that, you know, And then
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: it led me down this path of you know, craziness
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: in high school and stuff. So yeah, you know, it's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: interesting that maybe the gifted kids, you know, had a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: better family structure, so it was more, But for me,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: it was like, I don't think my mom even paid attention.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: She probably signed anything.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing they're going to tell people. Depending
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: on where you live, in what state you're in, different
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: things as to the reason why you need to be
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: put into this program. So in California, it's going to
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: be something that's more positive because California state, it's the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: state that everybody really wants to be in. Not everybody,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: but like it's looked at as like the pinnacle of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: the United States. California is right, and so they would say, oh, well,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: they need to be put into a special program because
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: they're special, they're gifted, they need more advanced classes. And
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: then they're going to give them all these psychological tests
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: and all these psychic tests and all that. But for
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: somebody else in another state that isn't as quote unquote prestigious,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: they're going to tell the family that there's something wrong
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: with the kid, right, something wrong with them. They need
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: more attention because they have ADHD, they have a speech impediment,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: there's something wrong with them.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: They need dyslexia.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: That's another really big.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: One, dyslexia. Yeah, And it's these labels that stick with
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: you forever.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, which is it's crazy because Katie
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: is one of the more articulate people I know, and
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: and and Laser like focused on research, you know, which
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: is the absolute you know, anti.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: You should have seen me as a kid though, I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: like ran everywhere.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: That's just good being a kid, though. That's just the
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: way that you're supposed to.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Act, right, And that's what's sad about it. We're labeling,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, And I'm guilty too. My my
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: oldest son, he was a hyperactive as well, and I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, just meet your reaction. As
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: a parent, I don't want them to go down the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: same calf I had to go down. So you're trying
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: to medicate and calm these kids down. But I regret
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: doing that to a degree.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: That was in the eighties, late eighties, when they're handing
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: out riddle in like candy. Yeah, you know, I put
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: dustin on riddle In for a while. And still to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: this day, he's like, oh man, I can't you know.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sorry. I just wanted you to be
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: able to sit still in class. So it's this weird
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: kind of what do you do as a parent, you know,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: it's you don't know. You want to do what's right
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: for your kids always, you know, And I want to
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: believe my mom felt she was doing the right thing.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: To at the time, I'm sure she did. That's all
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: us parent to do is do the best we can
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: day to day.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Right, that's true.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Well, is there anything else we want to speak on?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: What all did we I think we covered a lot
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: of today when it went all over the place. But
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I really liked it, and I really enjoyed it, especially
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: this stuff with the programs, and I'm looking forward to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: reading those documents that you have because it's very integral
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: and very important for my documentary that I'm making. I've
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: been hoping that I was going to uncover more about
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: this before we get into all the filming so I
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: can write it in. So that's going to be a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: really big help.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Again, not a coincidence. I'm going to send it too
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: soon as we get off what you got to understand?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: I think it was mostly I don't remember who was taputee,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: but it kind of you know how they build on
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: your your questions throughout the thread, and I finally thought,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it's getting so convoluted and deep that
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I had to reset it. So it'll like build on,
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  Speaker 2: build on, build on. But it's still a lot of
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  Speaker 2: really really intriguing, interesting information. So as soon as we're
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  Speaker 2: done I will send it actually both of you, so
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  Speaker 2: you can go see it.
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  Speaker 3: And something I did want to touch on that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of kind of away from that is something that Katie
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  Speaker 3: and I and I have done is we share our
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  Speaker 3: research with each other. You know, we actually collaborate on stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's something that I have been trying to get,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a little bit of traction in the community
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  Speaker 3: that you know researchers areas of high strangeness, is share
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  Speaker 3: your work with other re serious researchers. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're not sitting here in a vacuum spinning our wheels.
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  Speaker 3: You're doing something that you figured out, you know, two
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  Speaker 3: years ago. And so I think this collaborative effort, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and having multiple people you know, talk is really beneficial.
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  Speaker 3: And Katie now been simpatico since we met in Laughlin
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  Speaker 3: on Nevada several years ago.
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  Speaker 2: You know, all this because I couldn't agree more with you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all for sharing research and information, and I'm also
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  Speaker 2: the message I'd like to get out is it's not
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  Speaker 2: too late to go back in history and look at
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  Speaker 2: really important historical cases like Snippy Snippy book that's now
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: available because the ties like I thought it was just
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: about the first nationally recognized mutilated horse. Blow my mind.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: When we get hold of the original appro documents from
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: the National UFO Historical Representative with David Marveler and literally
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  Speaker 2: we just list last night they found two more audio recordings,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: two more hours of original recordings on scene where they
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: had the slides numbered to the recording of the site.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy stuff. Now now we're gonna have to add
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  Speaker 2: a whole other section to the book. But in photographs
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. But there's boxes, there were boxes there, there's
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: holes in the ground, there's hum sounds, there's things going
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: in and out of Blanca. They are all sorts of
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: stuff that I had no idea as part of the
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  Speaker 2: Snippy case that is exactly like clear view. So it's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: not too late to go back and make these connections
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: and tie us to historical cases. And it's so important
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: that we as research as and investigators do that and then,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: like Trey said, share it even across you know, like
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: you know, talking to paulse and Claire in the UK. Again,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: there they are in a whole other country and they're
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: having the same kind of things happen. So it's so
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: important and that we share and talk to each other.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: We're never going to get to the bottom of anything.
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  Speaker 3: Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Gate Keeping never works. I mean, what do you want
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  Speaker 1: to do? I mean like you just want to die
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: with all this information. You don't want anybody else. It's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: like all of your work.
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  Speaker 2: People, people want to make money with it.
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  Speaker 3: I think, O, we all we all know we get
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: rich and we get rich in this business, right, we
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: all get rich?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: No? No, my five dollars commission a month from YouTube?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah kidding?
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  Speaker 1: Well, guys, thanks so much for coming on. Katie. Can
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: you let people know where do you find you online
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  Speaker 1: and where they can find any of your work? If
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: you have a website, anything that you would like to plug.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to plug my YouTube channel. I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: haven't put out anything in a few weeks, so I
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: need to get on that. But it's Rocky Mountain of
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Vrantch research with Katie Page on YouTube like share and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: subscribe is always great. You can find me a Katiepage
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: dot net and a Rockymountain Ranch Research dot org. Yeah,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: slippy event. Get take a to the Snippy event because
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Trey and I will both be out Snippy end of August.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: San Luis Valley. If you make the journey. It's dark type,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: dark sky territory. We have experiences all the time which
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: is strange lights in and out around Blanca. So that's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: the twenty second to the twenty fourth of August and
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: the San Luis Valley and you can fly into Colorado
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  Speaker 2: Springs and make the journey down. Be cool to see
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: people out there for that.
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  Speaker 1: Cool. Thank you very much. I'll get the link and
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: then description for your YouTube channel, Tray Brother. Where can
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: people find you online and where can they pick up
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: your books?
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all by Katie's books Snippy.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: And Trey's book you gotta get to tell you book?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Two books. Yeah, my book, My new book is Return
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: to the Meadow and of course my first book is
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: The Meadow Project. You can find both of those on Amazon. Really,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: the ebook is a hell of a deal, you know.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: That's what I keep telling people. If you really want to,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: you'll be somewhat frugal and in looking at this, the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: e book is a heck of a deal. The hardback
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: books are really nice too.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: You can find those on Amazon. Personally, you can go
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: to Trey Hudson's author on Facebook and also go to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: Trey Hudson Research dot com which has you know, a
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of good stuff and you know, pictures of
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: me when I was little and trying to make it
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: through the gifted program.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Astray, I really appreciate. I highly recommend
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: them both of their books and purchase them, get the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: hard copy and help support them. And it helps get
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: really good solid research out there. And you don't want
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: to be reading stuff on screen, but if you need
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: to get the get the e book version. But thanks
• 1:15:45
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