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Ep. 390 - Ginger Snaps (2000) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 1: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 3: Viewer discretion is advised. Enjoy the show. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 3: Fridmar's podcast. I'm your host Austin Procter and joining me
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  Speaker 3: today for episode three ninety is my beautiful wife, Gabrielle Proctor.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Hello. Michael and his wife are supposed to be on
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  Speaker 3: this episode, and they totally flaked out on me. Definitely
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  Speaker 3: wasn't my fault.
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  Speaker 2: Flaked out after you flaked out, but mostly was you
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  Speaker 2: flaking it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to give him a hard time.
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  Speaker 3: It's not his fault. He always feels bad. He's like,
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  Speaker 3: I feel bad when we can't make an episode of work.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's it's okay. I promised you it's okay.
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  Speaker 3: So they were gonna do this with me, but just
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  Speaker 3: timing didn't work out, and you know, it is what
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  Speaker 3: it is. It's no big deal. So I signed you
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  Speaker 3: the task because you watched this with me anyways.
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  Speaker 2: Which really made me like the default backup at that point.
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  Speaker 3: It really did. So here you are on that one.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna get Michael on another episode. But yeah, today
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  Speaker 3: on another installment of July and Thropes, how we're just
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  Speaker 3: we're discussing our international pig ginger snaps from two thousand,
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  Speaker 3: a coming of age story with a slightly higher than
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  Speaker 3: average body count. Let's see where this lands on a
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  Speaker 3: Nightmare Index. So what have we been watching?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, geez, what I've been watching? I've been watching everything.
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  Speaker 2: I rewatched the movie Timeline from two thousand and three.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody hates that movie. I know it doesn't make any sense,
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  Speaker 2: but I still enjoy watching a bunch of archaeologists and
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  Speaker 2: just run around panicked in old timey France. We watched
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  Speaker 2: Writing in Car with Writing in Cars with Boys, they said.
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  Speaker 2: I rewatched Writing in Cars with Boys, which is an
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  Speaker 2: excellent film. Very complicated relationships in that one. That is
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  Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore and she is excellent in it. I watched
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  Speaker 2: The Sheep Detectives. It was very silly, but it was cute.
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  Speaker 2: I have some questions about the plot, but you know
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. Voicemails from Isabelle, which also came out this year,
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  Speaker 2: which was really really good. I'm gonna show you that
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  Speaker 2: one when I get to pick all the movies in February.
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  Speaker 3: Yip. I mean hearing NonStop about that one.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah. I watched All the Bright Places, which is
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  Speaker 2: a twenty twenty movie with Justice Smith and l Fanning,
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  Speaker 2: and it was my bad for thinking it wasn't gonna
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  Speaker 2: go to a really dark place. Yeah, yeah, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh no, oh, that's sad. Oh damn, okay, did that
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  Speaker 2: to yourself? Didn't You really did? I should have seen
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  Speaker 2: that coming because it was a coming of age story
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  Speaker 2: about sad kids, so should have really expected something darker
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  Speaker 2: to happen. You showed me Gothic Slayers, which I really
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  Speaker 2: really liked.
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  Speaker 3: Say that again for the people in the back.
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  Speaker 2: I really liked Gothic Slayers. You guys did a great
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  Speaker 2: job on that. If you're listening, I will.
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  Speaker 3: Be sure to reach out to Ben, Dylan, and Caleb
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  Speaker 3: and say my wife really enjoyed that it did.
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  Speaker 2: It was really really fun. It was really good, really,
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  Speaker 2: the style on it, the the whimsy of of doing
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  Speaker 2: the You had told me that they had to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for budgetary reasons, do the eight big animations, and that
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  Speaker 2: was so fun and felt so in place, like it
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  Speaker 2: didn't feel out of place at all. It didn't feel unnecessary.
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  Speaker 3: It was just so And that was a last seamless
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  Speaker 3: and that's funny because that was like a last minute edition.
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  Speaker 3: I actually had to sit down and interview all three
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  Speaker 3: of them, Dylan, Ben and Caleb, and that will be
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  Speaker 3: dropping later in August. After the other director interview that
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  Speaker 3: will be dropping at the end of this month, so
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  Speaker 3: you to try and plan to just fill up the
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  Speaker 3: back half of the YouTube with director reports, our director interviews,
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  Speaker 3: so very nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was surprised when you said it was
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  Speaker 2: a last minute edition because it.
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  Speaker 3: Just it felt it literally felt the entire filt filt
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  Speaker 3: it literally. Yeah, it felt like it belonged to the
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  Speaker 3: entire time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've shown my her We're back a Dinosaur Story,
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  Speaker 2: which if you're a nineties kid, you one thousand percent
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  Speaker 2: remember classic. And of course I've been watching a ship
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  Speaker 2: ton of kids movies because that's what we do now.
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  Speaker 3: And well, we were also on vacation whenever all last week,
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  Speaker 3: recently last week as of this recording, but I have
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  Speaker 3: to switch around. I'm gonna have to backdate some of
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  Speaker 3: these episodes because this month is all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: Because we were on vacation taking our daughter out to
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  Speaker 2: her birthday. Yeah. Other than that, I saw The Five
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  Speaker 2: Star Weekend, a six part mini series on Peacock with
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner Jimmy Chan. Yeah, someone kisses Jimmy Chan in
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  Speaker 2: that movie and then they apologize. I'm like, you know what, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: if Jimmy Chan looked at me and was that close
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  Speaker 2: to my face. I probably do the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Hard to resist her.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, look at her.
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  Speaker 3: Look at her face. Look at her face. She's beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's it. Yep, you're ending with Jimmy Chan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's a good place.
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  Speaker 2: See he is beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see. So I don't think, yeah, I didn't do
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  Speaker 3: my cult movie channel or I didn't talk about my
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  Speaker 3: cult movie challenge on the Werewolves within episode. At least
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I did. Okay, let me eat my
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  Speaker 3: fucking iPad into oblivion. So that was Dolph Lungren week,
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: and I watched Dark Angel because I had the four
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  Speaker 3: K from screen Factory bought it a while back. And
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: the funny thing about Dolph Lungren as a human being
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  Speaker 3: is I the first time I heard the name, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, that is the most made up name I've
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  Speaker 3: ever heard, because I like, I heard his name for
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  Speaker 3: the first time. On It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Season five,
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  Speaker 3: episode eleven, the MC and Charlie make a movie and
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  Speaker 3: they pitch an action movie starring Dolph Lungren as the
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  Speaker 3: muscular scientist who can smell crime before it happens and
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  Speaker 3: he transforms into a dog, and their tagline is I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember what it was, but it's like he can
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  Speaker 3: smell crime. So that's the first time I heard about it,
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  Speaker 3: and that was a while ago, and then I looked
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  Speaker 3: it up and I was like, oh, not only is
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  Speaker 3: he a real person, he is an incredibly, incredibly handsome man,
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  Speaker 3: but what a fuck ugly name, Dolph Lundgren. It does
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  Speaker 3: not roll off the tongue very well. Dark Angel was
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  Speaker 3: peak nineties action. It was a seven million dollar budget
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  Speaker 3: that you could have fooled me. I mean there's explosions, shootouts.
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: I don't want to give away one of the coolest
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  Speaker 3: weapons in that movie because it's pretty sick. But I
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  Speaker 3: fucking loved that movie. It only shockingly has I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I guess it's not shockingly low. It has a three
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  Speaker 3: point one. But for me who enjoy it, like this
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  Speaker 3: is my movie, Like this is exactly my lane four
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  Speaker 3: and a half stars, no regrets at all, really like
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  Speaker 3: that one. And then we were on vacation, so super
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  Speaker 3: Mario Brothers sing all those movies. I rewatched the Dirties
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  Speaker 3: for probably the second time because I was editing the
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  Speaker 3: Shameless Picture Show, and that's a movie that they covered
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  Speaker 3: the Dirties is a truly masterpiece of a film. Four
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  Speaker 3: and a half stars for that one. If you don't
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  Speaker 3: know what it's about, I don't know if I should
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  Speaker 3: just say go check it out. It doesn't involve some
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  Speaker 3: sensitive content regarding is that a spoiler? I don't really
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  Speaker 3: want to spoil it. There's some sensitive content involving guns
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  Speaker 3: and places where guns shouldn't be. I'll just leave it
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  Speaker 3: at that. But still it's a very good mockumentary behind
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  Speaker 3: the what in your butt?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's where the stand situation?
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  Speaker 3: Or right in the butt? No, no, it's but it's
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: directed by Matt Johnson. This was like his kind of
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  Speaker 3: I think this was his first movie that did gangbusters.
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  Speaker 3: At the Film Festival, Kevin Smith called it the most
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  Speaker 3: important film you'll see all year, and uh, it's it's
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  Speaker 3: an incredible movie. Of course I watched the movie for
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  Speaker 3: that we're reviewing today. We watch something called The Truth
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: and Tragedy of Mariah Wilson three out of five only
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: because it's very obvious who the killer was. And then
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: after watching The Terrible Howling two, Your Sister is a Werewolf.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: I decided to watch Howling three because why not.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's your brother, Yeah right, Howling.
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  Speaker 3: No, this is the Marsupials, the Howling three, and it
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  Speaker 3: takes place in Australia. It's just a bad movie.
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  Speaker 1: It just it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought my title was stupid, and then you actually
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: said the title.
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes place in Australia, and it turns so
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: much more into a love story than it is a
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: horror movie. Also, the were wolves are not consistent. Some
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: of them have these really weird, non hairy faces. It's
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: it's very it is a very strange movie. And there's
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: like seven Howling movies. That's it's just too many. I
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: plan to watch them all at some point when I
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: can get them, but that's gonna be immediate sell to
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  Speaker 3: get out of the collection. Just like Howling too was.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing's going to top the original, and I wasn't expecting
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  Speaker 3: them to. I just had to watch two and three
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  Speaker 3: given their ridiculous premises. I did watch Pinocchio un Strong,
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: a screener sent over by Pixelstein Media, the strongest of
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  Speaker 3: the Puniverse films, which I am not sold on that name,
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  Speaker 3: but it is what it is. Pinocchio's motivations for killing
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: were a little paper thin, and it was just like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like it's hard to explain it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he has some unexpressed rage issues, so he was
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: looking for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: He does and I guess that's what it was. But
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  Speaker 3: I was like, like, you can invent better reasons for
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  Speaker 3: Pinocchio to go killing people.
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  Speaker 4: And uh.
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: Robert England is in that movie playing cricket, and it's
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  Speaker 3: really cool because he has a total Freddie vibe as cricket.
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  Speaker 3: He's got these like kind of long I guess I
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  Speaker 3: don't think crickets have claws, but they don't. It's very
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  Speaker 3: reminiscent of like the the Freddy gloves. And he also says,
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  Speaker 3: you know, bitch a couple times, which that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: what that's like his thing. And Nightmare on Elm Street
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  Speaker 3: he do be saying was saying bitch, So he was
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  Speaker 3: great in that. Richard Brake was also fantastic as Geppetto,
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  Speaker 3: and Pinocchio himself was a fully animatronic puppet, and I
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  Speaker 3: would say about ninety percent of his screen presence was
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  Speaker 3: the animatronic. I know they had to do CG to
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  Speaker 3: get away. I don't know if it was even CG,
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  Speaker 3: but it looked like some sort of a green screen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, some you can only do so much sometimes, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because there were certain moments where there was like some
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  Speaker 3: sort of an outline around him and I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is CG or green screen,
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: but give They won a three point five out of
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: five and then I rewatched Evil Dead Burn.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what, I was just gonna respond to what you said. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: go ahead, I was gonna say, especially with like animatronics
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  Speaker 2: and stuff, you can only do so much and like
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  Speaker 2: get it. With like Jim Henson Productions, they're building the
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: world with which they are filming, so they can get
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  Speaker 2: away with a lot more.
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're working on actual sets that are pre
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  Speaker 2: built sets, you're even more limited.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they pretty much removed the floor from every set
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: that they're in.
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  Speaker 2: And the Muppet movies, Yeah, except for the bike riding
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  Speaker 2: scene and one of the Muppet movies, which was done
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  Speaker 2: with they like look, if you ever get a chance
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  Speaker 2: to look up how they did Kermit and all the
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: Muppets riding bikes funny part insie, the complicated way they
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  Speaker 2: made that practical and did that without like doing some
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  Speaker 2: sort of crazy close ups.
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  Speaker 3: Because that was nineteen. The original Muppet movie was seventy nine,
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  Speaker 3: and I remember seeing Kermit ride a bike and I
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: was like, how the fuck did they do that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Kermit playing banjo in a pond?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Involved I think it was Jim Henson being in a
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  Speaker 2: tank underwater with a screen and puppeting it. He was
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  Speaker 2: literally underwater to do that. Yeah, you can't do all
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  Speaker 2: that shit if you're already in a set that already exists,
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  Speaker 2: so it's understandable.
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  Speaker 3: Watched Evil Dead Burne again in theaters, just as good
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  Speaker 3: as the first time. This is the year of me
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: rewatching movies and theaters. I don't know what it is
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: about it, but I'm loving it. And then we watched
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: Deep Water. Finally missed that in theaters. Sure did miss
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: that in theaters. Got a review copy from Alliance Entertainment,
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  Speaker 3: and boy was it a silly movie. Boy where there's
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  Speaker 3: some choices made, But I did have fun with it.
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  Speaker 2: It was fun.
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  Speaker 3: It was fun.
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  Speaker 2: The more I think about it, the more I feel
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  Speaker 2: like the person who wrote it really hates their parents.
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  Speaker 3: Rennie Harlan might be going through some stuff not.
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  Speaker 2: One parent was up to just the basic snuff of
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  Speaker 2: being a parent. I mean, you had parents ditching their
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  Speaker 2: kids to go bang in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 3: Oh perfect. I wanted to bring that up because I
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  Speaker 3: didn't I did a review of this movie and I
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: couldn't fit it in because I didn't want it to
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  Speaker 3: be over three. Yeah, you have this couple joining the
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  Speaker 3: Mile High Club, leaving their two kids in the aisles.
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  Speaker 2: One of whom is clearly like a little yeah on
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  Speaker 2: the spectrum and gets very anxious when his iPad dies
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  Speaker 2: and his parents are nowhere to be found. And they're
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  Speaker 2: because they're too busy trying to screw in the bathroom,
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  Speaker 2: Like what.
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  Speaker 3: What in them from behind? In skinny jeans?
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: It's skinny jeans. He's never gonna you can barely stand
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  Speaker 2: one person in there, and you've got to get skinny
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  Speaker 2: jeans off. And I mean these things were tight as
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  Speaker 2: they could be. They were painted on and yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: you got that. You got a dad who's working too
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  Speaker 2: much to avoid the realities of his son's illness, which
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: they like make a big reveal about later. But you
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: if you're listening to the first conversation he has with
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  Speaker 2: his wife, it's really hard to miss that. And he
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  Speaker 2: got another guy who's uh off, Like he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a good first date guy, but I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: good like marriage guy. But a photo he has implies
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  Speaker 2: that he probably just ditched his wife with all their kids,
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  Speaker 2: who he still loves, but he's not there, like all
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  Speaker 2: of you suck as all.
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  Speaker 3: These characters, what are all these characters suck? Except for really,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Aaron Ecker is not the greatest, but he's well,
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  Speaker 3: he's blood.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm saying from a parental Sedanmiah, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous. He does get some parental I think, like
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  Speaker 2: being in a dangerous situation reminded him that kids need
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  Speaker 2: help and maybe he should be there for his kids.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, But.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was I mean, there were other characters that
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  Speaker 2: were more likable, but it was just so funny that
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  Speaker 2: you had this whole running thing where all the parents sucked.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all the parents sucked. I need to catch up
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: on my cult movie challenged. Week twenty nine is Rare
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Lust Week. Don't know what that is, but I'm watching
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Invasion of the Body Snatchers the original, And then Week
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: thirty is Stephanie Rothman week, and the movie for that
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: is The Velvet Vampire, which I figured you and I
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: would watch together because vampires. So that's all I have
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  Speaker 3: for recently watched. Let's move on to The Body Count.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Did I do the Nightmare and the Let's See This
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  Speaker 3: Land of the Night? Yes? I did. I can't remember things.
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  Speaker 3: So this is Ginger Snaps from two thousand and one,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: released on May eleventh of that year in Canada and
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: then making its way to the States on DVD October
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  Speaker 3: twenty third of two thousand and one. This is not
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  Speaker 3: rated miled sex in nudity, severe violence and gore, severe profanity,
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  Speaker 3: moderate alcohol, drugs, and smoking. I would say severe because
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  Speaker 3: everyone is chained smoking in this movie, and severe frighting
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  Speaker 3: and intense scenes coming in in an hour and forty
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  Speaker 3: eight minutes. Listed as a drama fantasy, horror thriller directed
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  Speaker 3: by John Fawcett, who literally only directed two other movies
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  Speaker 3: called The Boys Club nineteen ninety six and The Dark
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  Speaker 3: Tan five. He has more credit for TV work and
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: directed the seventeen episodes of something called Orphan Black, which
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: he created.
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  Speaker 2: Oh have you not seen that? That show is crazy?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: I never got to finish it, but.
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  Speaker 3: I like, oh, okay yeah, written by Karen Walton, who
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: also wrote four episodes of Orphan Black and John Fawcett.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: He only has three credits for writing, but he you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: like I said, he created Orphan Black and wrote fifty
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: episodes composed by Mike Shields. He also composed Tucker and
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Dale Versus Evil and one hundred and four episodes of
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: something called Fireman Sam probably a kids show. Probably cinematography
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: by Tom Best, who also did the cinematography for the
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Boys Club, and sixty one episodes of Queer as.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Folk Queer's Folk Yeah, Queers Folk, Yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, edited by Brett Sullivan, who also edited Blood and Donuts,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Saw four alongside Kevin Grudert, and a Christmas horror story
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: starring Emily Perkins as Bridget. Was also in the mini
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: series as young Beverly Marsh. We have Catherine Isabella's Ginger,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: who people are either gonna know from American Mary as
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Mary Mason or Freddy versus Jason as Gibb, or you
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: might know her from both. I know her from both.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I love Catherine Isabelle. She's an incredibly under just appreciated actress.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: And this is where It gets funny because we have
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Chris Lemch as Sam who was also in Final Destination
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: three as Ian McKinley, Mimi Rodgers as Pamela, who was
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: also in Lost in Space as Maureen Robinson, and then
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Jesse Moss's Jason, who was also in Final Destination three
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: as Jason Wise so to two. Final Destination Alums estimated
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: a budget of five million, grossing two point six k.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's what I found. Filmed in Brampton
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. You can watch this on Plex
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and Pluto. Movies that came out around the same time, Monsters, Inc.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone, The Royal Tenon Bombs, Zoolanders,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Shallow Howl, Behind Enemy Lines, Thirteen Ghosts, Frailty, Black Night,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Riding in Cars with boys? Didn't you just.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: See that's funny?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Out cold, Corky Romano, Max Keebler's Bog Move, Big Move,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Bones and Shredder.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think five?
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: You haven't six? Oh my god?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Seven?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: No, five? Six? Sorry, which you haven't had?
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Six?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Six that I haven't seen?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Holy shit, I know you haven't seen Corky Romano. Correct,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I know you haven't seen Out Cold Okay, Max Keebler's
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: big move.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen Bones, haven't seen Shredder YEP, I haven't
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: seen frailtyep, haven't seen Behind Enemy Lines.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Here you go.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Whoa, we have to watch that. That is, but I've
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: never seen it so it's so underrated.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If if that's the out Coold, I'm thinking it is.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Comedy Central used to play it like they did all
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the fucking so I used to watch it all the time.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: The one where the guy puts his dick in the
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: jacuzzi thing or whatever.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: They keep playing the Weezer song.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: The Sure Sure IMDb summary too. Death obsessed sisters, outcasts
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: in their suburban neighborhood, must deal with the tragic consequences
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: when one of them is bitten by a deadly werewolf.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Let's go into the autopsy. Overall thoughts. Gabby on Ginger snaps,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: what do you goats?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: This may shock you, but this is not one of
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: my favorite werewolf movies. WHOA, I know it doesn't make
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: it And look, the thing is is, if you break
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: it down into pieces, I like all the pieces. There's
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: something I don't vibe with and I don't know if
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: it's like the overall quietness of the movie or the pacing.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: There's something I have not figured out what it is,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: but there's something that doesn't quite work for me. Because
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: it happened the first time I watched it too, I
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: found myself getting a little bored, which is ridiculous because
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I I didn't rate it that low. I rated it
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: higher because I know, I like the Werewolf, I like
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the story, I like the acting.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: If this is not a fucking slap, I'm gonna be
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: so angry with you.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Just like something about it doesn't one hundred percent click
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: for me, and I'm sorry, I really wanted to. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: can't figure out what it is that doesn't one hundred
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: percent click for me.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I should have had Michael and Amanda on this show.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Son of a bitch.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that's hindsight is You're welcome for being here at all.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Thank you well, apparently complete opposite of you. I love
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: this movie. I mean it might be it might be
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the fact that I'm very you know, privy to you.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Catherine Isabelle. I do really enjoy her performance. I will
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: really bump your rating up because she is fantastic in this.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I also you are rating yeah, bump my rating up.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I also really enjoyed The Werewolf, even though it is
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: not a bipedal werewolf. The design itself is fantastic, and
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: the fact that it is all practical in a time
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: where CG was becoming very prevalent really makes me happy.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: There are some elements that I do not like that
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: we will get into, but it doesn't cut down my
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: rating by that much. So this will be interesting because
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I thought this was the movie for you. What happened?
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I told you, I don't know. Okay, you never asked
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: me what I thought of the movie. I just said
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I'd watch it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: That's true, all right, So from the corrections department real quick.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: The rapper I was trying to think of in a
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: movie that I recently saw was Asap Rocky. He was
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: an if I had legs, I'd kick you. And I
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: mentioned that Nandor calls Guillermo Gizmo in What We Do
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: in the Shadows, but I meant to say Laslow calls
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: him that because he can never remember his name. But anyways,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: this movie opens with a dead dog, and that is unforgivable.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Half a star taken away immediately. Don't like that at all,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Like I understand when what is it with werewolf movies
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: and dog deaths, Like, what's the thing?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I maintained that dogs can show aggression towards each other.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Werewolfs are a dog like creature that impose a great threat,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: which would put other dogs on the defense. And as
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: it is a killing machine, it's going to kill the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: thing that could attempt to fight it or is threatening it.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: It's just a defense thing. And dogs happen to be
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: more aware than people.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, but Baxter did nothing wrong and he was the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I think it was Baxter. He was the tiny, tiny
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: dog that the overweight kid hockey or maybe it was
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: just all the hockey pads, but that kid and his
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: dog was like two pounds that dog.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Dog was marking.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: The dog was not a threat.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but also at the same time, killer instincts kicking in.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: So yeah, well literally, I mean the opening scene and
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: it's graphic. I mean, we don't see the dog die,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: so I guess there's at least that, but you see
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the aftermath of the dog. Not a fan of that
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: at all. I also just had a quick question, like
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: two quick or one quick question. Does every high schooler
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: in this movie smoke cigarettes? Because Jesus Christ. Yeah, I've
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: never seen so many high schoolers smoking cigarettes at school,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: on the bleachers, on the field, in their car. Anyways,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: where do you want to start with this one? We
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: could talk about the obvious connections between the whole becoming
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: a woman and the werewolf thing. I'd also obviously like
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: your perspective since I don't go through periods.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: That's true, you don't.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I don't, So how about I give you my perspective
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and you can tell me how inaccurate or accurate what
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: a man you are?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: No good Jesus Christ.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: So obviously this movie coincides with Ginger and and her period.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Apparently they're like three, Both of them are three years
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: late having periods, which is strange. I guess the mom
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: is is like, oh yeah, it's finally happening, which seems
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: like a weird thing. But is that normal, Like, oh yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: it's finally happening.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Oh God. The spectrum for reactions so crazy because you've
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: got people who are so deathly afraid of it, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: because some people consider it a sin and immoral. Your
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: body starting to do the thing it's supposed to do
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: makes you immoral, and the idea of anything to do
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: with your reproductive organs should never be spoken of. Yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I know people who who've shared when they got their
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: period for the first time, they thought they were dying
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: because no one would tell them what was going on,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and they were absolutely terrified.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Then you've got parents who are trying to normalize it
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to the point where they may where they throw period parties.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Oh well, they'll get girls together and play games and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: stuff and kind of celebrate that it's going to be happening,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: to try to make it less scary, okay, which is
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: cool and all, but also feels very uncomfortable because your
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: hormones are like raging. You're very self aware of your body,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and having everybody else let you know that they're looking
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: at you it's weird would just add to that stress.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: And then you've got people who sit somewhere in the middle,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Like I got sex education in fifth grade. So the
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: summer after that, my period started, and I went, oh,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: this is it all right? I guess this is happening now.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Literally was so nonchalant. I called my mom.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: In sixth grade that's when it starts.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Some girls, it's starting earlier now, okay.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Because these girls are well b is fifteen. Yeah, so
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I guess three years before that would be twelve. S.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I guess that is about sixth grade.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Yah, yeah, usually round twelve. Yeah, some girls it's happening
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: even earlier. So I think I've heard girls as young
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: as like eight.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: In some cases it's all the hormones were eating.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like, you know, it's just such a
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: broad spectrum because female reproductive health gets taken. It's just
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: like a talking point for so many things. And so
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: the scale on which people interpret it and the scale
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: which people react to it is so crazy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Well, here's kind of the parallels that I wrote down
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: with with this whole topic here. So, girls first period
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: marks the sudden, uncontrollable entry into womanhood, right, And in
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Ginger Snaps, her first period is during a night out
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: and the bleeding attracts the werewolf to her, which literally
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: triggers the curse. Right. Typically, you know, the physical and
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: biological changes. There's unexplained cramping, rapid physical growth changes in hair,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: body hair, and sudden hormonal swings. And in Ginger Snaps,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: she has you know, it's rabbit hair growth, spread claws,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: intense stomach pains, and mood swings at morph from typical
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: teen angst into feral aggression. Yeah, would you agree with that?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Okay? Then awakening sexuality. The sudden rush of hormones brings
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: a heightened, often confusing awareness of sexuality and male attention.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Ginger snaps. Ginger transforms from an isolated outcast into an
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: aggressively sexual predator. She pursues boys with reckless abandon and
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: her infection even passes through unprotected sexual intercourse. Yep, yep,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: which is interesting because it's like, hey, it's like it
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: follows but werewolves. The sisterly divide. This is something that
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just speculating because one I'm not a girl, and
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: two I don't have a sister. But obviously girls mature
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: at different rates. One sister might embrace new social expectations
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: and physical changes while the other one lags behind or
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: resist them, causing a rift in their relationship. Sisters Ginger
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: and Bridget start with their shared goth anti social worldview,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: but as Ginger changes, she leaves a devoted Bridget behind,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: creating a tragic wedge in their previous unbreakable bond. Yes, okay,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: last one. Teenagers often feel like strangers in their own
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: bodies and adults often dismiss their emotional turmoil as just
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: a phase or hormones, whereas Ginger's body and personality warp,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: the well meaning adults like the mother in school, completely
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: invalidate her symptoms, chalking her erratic monster's behavior up to
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: the normal pains of becoming a woman. Yeah. Yeah, So
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: anything else you'd like to add to that. Between that,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: we'll call the parallels of the period where wolf whole
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: thing going on in this movie.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I can't remember if you said that. You know, the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: werewolf thing is a curse and getting her period is
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: often referred to as getting the curse. Yeah, yeah, but
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: we also talked about what we were watching it. Yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: she goes through a lot of changes, and yeah, you're right,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: when sisters are it doesn't even necessarily have to be sisters.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: But sometimes when a person changes, like hits maturity faster
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: than someone else they're close to, sometimes it can cause
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that kind of rift because their identities aren't as linked
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: in solidarity. Right, And you've got one person who's moving
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: forward to explore that change, will the other person literally
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: can't go with them, right, And that that does cause
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a divide. And I know, while we were watching the movie,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: we discussed that Ginger literally starts growing a tail and oh, yeah, yes, yes,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and how we were watching and I was like, oh,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you know what this reminds me of. Unfortunately for some girls.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: We've talked about how periods can start even earlier nowadays.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Imagine being a ten year old and suddenly you've got boobs, right,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and how uncomfortable that would be because none of the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: other girls have them. And also, yeah, it does bring
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that unwanted male attention and suddenly and you've got grown
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: men making comments about your chest, which is gross on
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: so many levels, but it's also uncomfortable. Ye is back
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to what I said before. You're already so aware that
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you're looking different and feeling different, and then everybody else
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: lets you know how much they notice too well.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: And she was taping down her tail, and you mentioned
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: something about how some women will kind of.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And so what a lot of girls have done over
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the years is especially girls who unfortunately go straight to
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: d cups, so they just become very sudden, yeah, suddenly
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: are full chested. That can be extremely jarring. A lot
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: of girls will bind down their chests with like ace
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: bandages to flatten out their chest. To make it less
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: noticeable because they don't want people to make comments. They
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: want to fly under the radar. Fun fact, a lot
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: of girls that they age just want to get by.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: They want their crush to notice them. They don't want
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: everybody noticing them. Yeah, and especially in that unwonted way.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And so when you see Ginger wrapping down her tail
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: on her leg, it just reminded me of that about
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: you know, this is a thing that's growing rapidly that
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: would make her changes extremely obvious, and she's binding it
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: to her leg to make sure no one can see
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that change happening.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and this is interesting too because it's like,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: the thing about this movie is I think it takes
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: the struggles women have getting their period and personifies it
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: with the whole wearwolf thing. It like gives it like
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: a visual representation because usually it's all an internal thing
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: that women go through. I mean, obviously their bodies physically,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: their bodies physically changed, but this am set up to
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: a level of like, you know, turning into a were wolf.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: So it just like raises the stakes for like this
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: is how it might feel are some women.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's also interesting you kind of
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: talked about how the adults dismiss it as this is normal,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: this is part of the change and stuff that puberty
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: for girls in periods is such a taboo subject that
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: people try not to look at it, try not to
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: focus too hard on it because that's a dirty thing.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought that up, because I have
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: something though. Yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: But to the point where Ginger's clearly got crazy nails,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: she is more aggressive, she is wearing completely different clothes,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: and her mom never bothers to sit down and have
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: a proper talk with her.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: She does bring her that really gross cake that looks
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: like it's bleeding, and I'm like, that's the cake we
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: went with mom, And she.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Goes to read a magazine about it. Right, And the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: only person who's really locked in on what's happening to
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Ginger is her sister, who was there the whole time. Yeah,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: except Bee's only talking to Ginger about this thing that's happening.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Ginger's scared deep down, and she's feeling this whole new
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: range of emotions because the werewolf curse is changing her
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: into something else. And so then she gets defensive against
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: be because she can't control she's feeling. But that's all
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: her sister's talking to her about. It's all she's doing
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: is constantly trying to get uh like, pressure her to
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: figure it out, to fix it, and Ginger can't even
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: grapple with her own feelings about it, and so she
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: starts pushing back at Bee for like, hey, how about
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: you mind your own damn business, Like she is scared
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and the adults who should be stepping in to try
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to help her navigate aren't there. And it's just as like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: it's it's so weird. How adults really just dismiss it
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and it's normal and it's just cramps, suck it up.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just your period. You're fine. And it's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a really hard change, Like yeah, I have, no you don't,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: but like because I mean, girls don't talk about it
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: to guys, and they don't talk about it at school
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: because they're embarrassed. But I know I'm not alone in
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the thousands and thousands, I dare to say millions of
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: girls who have had to call out of school because
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the cramps were so bad you couldn't stand up, yeah,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: or you bled through your pants in the middle of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the day. You're not just walking around with extra pairs
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: of pants. Great, hopefully I brought a jacket today. Learning
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to remember when the thing happens so you remember to
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: be supplied. It's a lot, and it's stressful and making
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: sure you bring the right medication so you're not in
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: pain all day. And it's this hard, jarring change and
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: then adults are just like, well, you got your period now,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: best of luck out there.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Well, and that brings me to the dad who is
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the really the worst dad ever because they're talking about
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: it at dinner and the dad's like, we're eating here,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: come on, like, okay, first of all, this is a
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: natural thing that happens to women. Chill out, Like he
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: is so disgusted by the fact that his daughters have
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: hit her her ginger has, you know, hit that point
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: in her womanhood, just like like you're the problem. D
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I don't even know the dad's name. I don't care
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: about him, Ben Maybe I don't know sure, but he
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: is like the worst part of this movie when it
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: comes to this, because you're right, even the mom she
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, she's like trying to be supportive.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: But she's trying to be Yeah, she's trying to be supportive,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: but to the point where she's overly positive and she's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: not actually having a discussion with her daughter, and I
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: will give the dad one point of one star okay
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of credit.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: He notices shit's getting weird and says, hey, hey, is
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: this like normal? But then the wife brushes it off, right,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and he's like, well, I don't know, so I guess
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: you'd know better than me, and moves on. Yeah, but
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: he does take half a second where he starts to
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: wonder about it, but his wife is so dismissive because
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: she's had her period for decades at this point, so she,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: as far as she's concerned, this is totally normal teenage
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: girl stuff.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: This is happening too. The shot is out the parent
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: window of Ginger and Bridget literally carrying a dead body
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: out to bury it, and you know, the camera pulls
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: back and the dad's like, I feel like these girls
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: are up to something, and she's like, it's just normal
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: teenager girl stuff, and you're right. She just totally brushes
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: it off as they're carrying a dead body right past
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: the window, which I.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Think adds another layer because one, you've got a dad
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: who dads frequently are completely out of the conversation about periods,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: as you know, that will not be optional for you
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: because the whole embarrassed to buy your daughter tampon's thing.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: You tampon care?
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Who cares?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I don't give a shit.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: It's literally cotton on string. Who gives a ship.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: People just make such a big deal about it, making
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: men really because they don't understand it. And you bleed,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: You bleed once a month, that's gross, fucking grow up.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they describe how our period is in
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: this movie that like the teacher does, or the counselor
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: or somebody, And I was like, I don't know that
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: i'd put it in that such descriptive terms, but yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's what it is. But men are
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: frequently left out of the conversation because they are told
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: from day one that it's gross, it's unclean. It's literally
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: a normal body function that we can't control, and it
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: gets made to be this disgusting, dirty thing, and so yeah,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: they don't talk about it, they don't help with it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: They often mock girls for it right and makes fun
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: with them.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: That's not going to help a girl who's going through
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: all those hormonal changes. That is going to do the opposite,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: and it makes you.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Feel bad about yourself. It's it makes you horribly embarrassed
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: for this thing. You have literally no control men.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: The problem.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, and then you've got the mom who dismisses it
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: because she was a teenage girl once, which really speaks
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to the idea of parents knowing how they would have
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: been as kids, seeing how their kids may behave better
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: than them, or just really deciding without really spending time
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: or getting to know their kids, what their kids are
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: capable of true, or what their kids are up to,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: so they're so comfortable in their mentality that they don't
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: bother to really properly check in like their daughters. I mean,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: she just miss is the period thing as being totally normal.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Their daughters do a whole suicide photo shoot. If our
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: daughter did that, I'd be like, Hey, I think we
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: should talk about this. I'm not mad at you by
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: any means, but why don't we talk about what gave
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: you this idea? You know, like checking in with your
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: kids is really important and the parents don't, And that
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I think is a rolling not narration theme theme throughout
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the movie is that the parents just assume they know
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: what their kids are doing, except that that's who they are,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: and to the point where they just don't see them.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: The only time that they ever bring it up really
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: is when they kill that preppy girl in their house
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: and the parents pull up to the driveway and be
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: is like get up now, like move, move, move, and
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: they act like they were staging a death scene in
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: the house, and the parents are like, girls, we told you, like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: don't do this in the house. So like they've accepted
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: this weird fascination with death that these girls have to
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: the point where they say out by sixteen or dead
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: on the scene, but together forever. And this is something
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: I've never understood about because this also comes up in
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: a movie called Harold and Maud, where Harold is just
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: obsessed with death. He's recreated like he but he's not
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: taking photos. He's doing it because he thinks it's funny.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know that movie treats suicide in a way
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: that I don't. It's just not for me. And this
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: one only really begins with that, uh and it's actually
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: it turns out it's for this class project, which horrifies
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the teacher. But I've always wondered, just what is that
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: fascination with suicide and kind of glamorizing it because it's
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: not something to do, you know, it's a it's.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Not a new thing by any means, and it's still
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: it's done today. Like there are so frequently things about
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: teen suicide, and I mean, like Heather's is another one
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: where they that's a satire on how these people could
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: be absolute monsters. But once it's assumed they've killed themselves,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: oh well, we really see the tragedy of their lives, right,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: And it's a dark comedy about teen suicide and how
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: it gets treated. But I think part of it is because,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: like we've been talking about the you've got all these
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: new neurons firing in your brain and like these new
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: connections being formed. But you've got this rage of hormones
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: and you've got each You've got so many kids doing
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the exact same thing, and some of them choose to hide,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: and some of them choose to take it out on
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: each other, take it out on those who are weaker
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to deal with all of that, and sometimes the idea
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: of death it's it's projected as the final escape. Yeah,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: And I think for teens, they like, let's be honest,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: as teens, we were hell is short sighted, and I
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: think for teens it's like, well, yeah, obviously the only
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: options are survive and like, either survive happy or be dead.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Those are the only two options. It's not, Hey, life
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: does get better as you're older, but like, if it
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't get better now, the only thing to do is
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: be dead.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Well, and this happens before she gets bit Oh yeah,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: this is all in the beginning, you know. No, I
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: know that they stayed these elaborate death scenes. They photograph them.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: It isn't just like this edgy horror imagery. It's supposed
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: to be creative, expressive. They I would say they consider
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: it like performance art. Uh, they're not like only fascinated
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: with death, but they're I mean, one, I don't say
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't say they're filmmakers or photographers, special effects artists.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I would say, because they're making all this crazy shit
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: and storytellers, they're turning this like they're turning morbidity into creation.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I guess yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: But I think they also do establish something important is
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: that they control death, at least they think they do,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: because everything is fake and staged until the real monster arrives,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: and then suddenly death isn't something they photograph. It's literally
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: chasing them.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Once the death part becomes real. Yeah, once
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: you're dead, you're dead. That's it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: So that's why I think death gets romanticized, because when
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: you're removed from it and you're just looking at it
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: as a form of release. M Oh well, you can
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: just picture that you're going to a better place, or
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: at least you won't be suffering this. You will be dead.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: The people around you will suffer and that's it. The
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: people who cared and you will be gone forever. And
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's just kind of a it's like trying
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: to teach a eight year old about death and they're
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: just like, thing there, thing not there anymore.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I think by the time you fifteenage years, you really
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: feel like you know it all, You really feel like
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: you understand until you're faced with that thing and how
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: some of those things, the finality of some of those things,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: and the hard reality of some of those things come
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: crashing in. It's like, yeah, it's not quite what you
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: think it is.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Because before they get attacked by the werewolf, I mean,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: the movie spends time making us fall in love with
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Ginger and bridgid and not in like a romantical way,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: but just like you. Like they're sisters, they're best friends,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: they're partners, they're essential to each other's world. They've even
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: made I think they made a blood pact because they
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: had scars at eight years old. You know, it's kind
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: of funny, it's edgy, it's cringey in the way teenagers
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: often are. But it feels dimply, it feels deeply sincere
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: because they genuinely believe it. They're convinced that they'll never
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: become adults, they'll never become their parents. They don't want
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: to become suburban drones. And I think that's the biggest
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: part of this movie, is the suburban landscape that they
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: just clearly don't fit into, especially their school. There's this
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: is such like a painfully authentic teenage mindset. Everything feels permanent, friendships, promises,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: identities until it's not. Yeah, so I think they captured
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: the teenage experience. I mean, I still don't understand the
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: death thing. I don't think I ever will, because you know,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: the whole out by sixteen or dead on the scene.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I'll never understand that just because that's not who I
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: was as.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: A kid, but I mean neither was I. But like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: think about it, what didn't you romanticize as a teenager,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Like I remember, I was gonna go like I don't
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: know a teenage girl who didn't imagine walking somewhere and
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: then being discovered by a talent scout and then suddenly
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I was gonna be a supermodel. I was never gonna
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: be supermo.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I was going to be a star.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I had the illusions that I could be an actor
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: one day. I can't act, so I'm not exactly sure
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: what I thought I was gonna be doing. I had
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: this dream that college was going to be just like
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: the movies. You go to parties, you have study montages.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be amazing. You're gonna make these amazing friends,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: and you're an adult now so you can do whatever
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: It's still fucking school, guys. It's still school school. I
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: never I went to I didn't go to a frat
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: house until I was twenty two, and it was a
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: band frat house and it wasn't even at my school.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: And I went to I think in college college party wise,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I went to two parties and I went to school
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: for six years. That's because I switched schools, not because
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I'm dumb, but like it was nothing, nothing at all
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: like I believed it to be. And that's what I
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: think is kind of the same thing with like romanticizing death.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: You have this idea of what it is, this beautiful freedom,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and it's not that. It's not that at all. And
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's just like very much the team mentality,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: like your frontal lobes not fully developed, which I know
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: we all talk about all the time when it comes
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: to teens. Sorry teens, but you've been under your parents'
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: roof your whole life, and suddenly you're coming up to
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the part where you're going to be responsible for who
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: you are, what you do, what you become, and shape
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: everything your your entire world is cut off to bloom
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: a whole new fucking world entirely of your making. That's terrifying.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: But you can picture anything because everyone tells you the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: sky's the limit.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: And what do whatever you want to do as long
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: as you put the do it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so I think there's just like with teens,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: there's this idea that it's all almost imaginary because it
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: just doesn't feel real. You've been eighteen years you've been
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: this case, sixteen years you've been living under your parents.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Anything that happens after that is just a concept.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because like you know, like I said, they both
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: made this pact because of until the werewolf attack, they
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: The film like intentionally makes these sisters almost a single organism,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: which I find interesting. Like they finish each other's sts,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: they dress similarly, which is different than everyone at school.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: They walk together, they eat together, they do everything together.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: People don't really see them as separate entities or people.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Rather they see them as the Fitzgerald's sisters. That's it.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: The movie almost frames them as twins emotionally, even though
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: they aren't. They're just sisters. But then everything changes. There's
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: that sisterly divide when we have the werewolf attack, because
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Ginger is going down one path and b is going
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: down another path entirely. And just like you said and
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: what I said, it's like you can everything is permanent
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: until it's not, and this is where it becomes not permanent.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: All of their plans go out the window after this
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: werewolf attack because now they're going down separate paths entirely.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: So with that, I think Ginger's arc is interesting because
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: becoming a monster kind of initially solves her problems. She's
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: confident boys start to like that scene when she walks
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: in school with the gray streaks, like you can tell
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: she's she feels so much more confident, and B is
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: still this I would describe her as mousey. Yeah right,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: I very rarely describe anybody's mouse Yeah. So you so,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: now you have this kind of weird I guess dichotomy,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: if that's the right word, where you have strong, confident
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: young lady who is now going after boys it's everything
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: she's secretly wanted. And now you have B who's kind
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: of secluded and by herself and finds some solace in
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: the The guy that's trying to help I can't remember
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: his name, Paul, I don't know the stoner dude, stoner
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: dude who's selling all the fucking weed, Jason, Sam, one
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: of those two let's go with Let's go with Jason.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's it's a very interesting split ones
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: the werewolf attack happens, because now it's like sister against sister.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also side note, I love that Ginger infects a dude, yeah,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: which she totally just does a oops moment for which
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: really funny. She's like oopsie Doodle, like, well, my bad,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know whatever, but it's so fucked up to
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: me that you know, ginger story is honestly tragic. She's
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: she can't escape what's happening to her and her sister's
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: fight tooth and nail. But at the end of the day,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: her sister can survive this whole ordeal, and Ginger is trapped,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: and they even find a solution, but a guy ends
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: up getting the solution instead, and now there's no help
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: for Ginger. He's gonna be fine, he gets the cure,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: he's gonna make it, and there's no telling if it
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: would even work on Ginger after she's changed. Right, So
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Ginger is just is an extremely tragic character, much like
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Jennifer and Jennifer's body. I know those this movie and
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that movie get compared heavily.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Spiritual.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Sisters really are though, because you've got two close bonded people.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: In this case, they're actually sisters. But something happens out
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: of her control to one, and then she starts becoming
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: more popular and more noticed, but it's taking a toll
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: on her that she can't really express, and she can't
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: really control, Like you get that scene in Jennifer's body
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: where she's looks sick. Oh yeah, she's smearing the makeup
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: all over her face. And you know, they can't control
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: what happened to them, but they are expected to pay
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: the consequences of everything they do because of what happened
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: to them.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Because I don't think this movie is saying female
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: sexuality is dangerous. It's unchecked power of any kind, doesn't
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: matter who you are. The Werewolf simply externalizes that corruption
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: because by the end, Ginger stops fighting it all together
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: because she enjoys being the predator, and that's where we
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: truly lose her.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's you know, I think she
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't really at first, she doesn't want to be this way,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: but then she feels that freedom of shaking off the
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: societal expectations. But yeah, there's nothing they can do. But
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: at the same time, it really does say like women
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: who get that kind of power should be punished and
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: women can't be trusted with that kind of power, or
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: women not that they can't, but that they won't be
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: and that it will turn them into monsters. Because if
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: you think about like if you think about a werewolf
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: movie with a man, usually the man that's turning into
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: a werewolf. Not every time, but a lot of the times.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: It's just projecting the male aggression, Yeah, that men already
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: deal with, and this is like this is with women,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: though it amplifies their sexuality, and now they're seen as
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: trashy because they're accepting their sexuality. And it's just really
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: interesting how women's changes often get rooted in their sexuality,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: whereas for men, it's about their aggression and their unchecked rage.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm rambling at this point, so you go.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Ahead, Well that's what I think this movie does very well.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, yes, there's obviously it does involve sexuality, but
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: it goes back to what I just said about it's
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: it's not trying to say it's because of what's happening
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: with her, it's unchecked power because she just fully embraces
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: it at one.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Point, because she gave it up, because she doesn't gives up.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think she embraces it because she's having fun.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: I think she embraces I mean she like a little bit.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, Well, because there's a scene when she kills the
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: janitor and BC comes into that and Ginger is like
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: it feels so good to just like like she feels
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: like at that point, that's when she's like, I like this,
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: I'm embracing this one hundred percent.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean like, I'm not saying it's it's
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: not anything about that, but at the same time, I
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: think it's so painful to fight it, yeah, and so,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: and it's so much easier to let it go just
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: give in, which is always like a theme in people
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: getting changed, where we'll stampires whatever. It's like the theme
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: is you'll just be happier if you let go and
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: stop fighting it, right, and yeah, I think she's saying, like, yeah,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: it feel better, it feels easier. It's not so hard
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: when you just give in to what I am now
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: and stop trying to fight against it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have Bridget. You know, the whole time
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Bridget is trying to become, I guess, almost like a caregiver.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: When Ginger embraces this whole thing, Bridget clings to reason.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: She she tries to do research and medicine, and then
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: she eventually comes across this whole monkshood thing, which I
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: think is cool. It's like, oh yeah, they mentioned it's
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: like similar to Wolf's Spain or something like that, but
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: not as poisonous. So it feels grounded in this mythology
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: that I really like. Instead of some magical cure, you
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: get monkshood, which which is a real plant and it's
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: historically associated with wolves and folklore. Sam ah it is Sam.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Sam discovers it by accident, and you know, they are
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: talking about how they're going to go about it, and
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: he's like, we don't even know, like, you know, you
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: have to take it into consideration, height, weight, metabolism, We
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: have no idea how much of this we're gonna need.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: And luckily she gets to test it, uh, you know,
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: unintentionally on the the guy that Ginger turned, because she
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: runs across him berating a child and then he, you know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: he starts to attack Bridget and she stabs him in
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: the neck with the injection and he seems to recover
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: because he's like, oh, I've I've got to go, like
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I need, I've got homework to do and runs off.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: So she's like, oh, this works, This, this cure works.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: But unfortunately, like we mentioned earlier, shit, Bridget doesn't get
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: the injection into Ginger until she's already turned. So I
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: think at that point it's just too late. Yeah, it
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: just kills her.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Which is like I said, like often when guys become
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: aggressive like that or like start acting out because of
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: their changes, so they they have their mistakes swept under
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the rug, Like abruptly he changes and runs off like
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: nothing happened. Yeah, and we don't deal with him again.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: He probably doesn't, you know, when you're it's like.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he doesn't, whether or not he remembers, he
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't face any consequences for his actions. He literally fucks
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: off and we never see him again.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Ginger does not get to escape the consequences of again
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: a thing that she did not have any control over.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: He chose to have sex with Ginger, but he didn't. However,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: that being a mild metaphor for an STD. He does
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: know he can get something from having protected unprotected sex.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: He gets a cure, He gets to walk away scott free.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Ginger essentially got this disease without any consent. She it
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: just happened to her because she was in the wrong
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: place at the wrong time, and then she never gets
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: to escape the consequences of that. No, and this she
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: has to pay to the very damn end.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: And this is where that that ending is so tragic,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: because Bridget's love becomes almost self destructive, like she is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: willing to infect herself just to maintain a connection with
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: her sister, which is fucking heartbreaking. She will literally, you know,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: literally poison herself because life without Ginger feels impossible. And
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: most werewolf movies end with killing the monster role credits
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: problem solved like we did it, like Silver Bullet, they
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: did it, we can go away.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just like, all right, we did it
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: by the end, but not.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Here, because Bridget isn't defeating as evil, She's losing her sister.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: There's no victory, It's only survival. And that's an enormous
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: difference from most vampire, most werewolf movies, because the final
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: confrontation hurts because Ginger is gone. Bridget still hesitates, still hopes,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: she still believes until she can't. The knife isn't a weapon,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: It is just an acceptance of the fact that I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: can't save you. You have disappeared from who you are.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: And few horror endings hit as hard as this one
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: does because now Bridget, and it makes me wonder I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: just bought them actually on DVD because there is a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Ginger snaps two and three. Yes there are, and the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: second one has a three point two out of five.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Mind you so wondering how those even happen because Ginger's
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: dead at the end of this. So yeah, I just
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: I think this movie is not only a commentary one
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: quite a few things, but it's also just a very
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: different werewolf movie that stands out from the pack. And
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: I really like this movie. Plus again, that practical fucking
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: werewolf in two thousand, all practical. I think that's a
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: quality were wolf. It's a quality.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: We talked about this multiple times. It's really easy to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: fuck up a werewolf.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: It's really easy to fuck up a werewolf. I enjoy
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: the fact that its face is hairless. It's just this grizzled,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: fleshy thing. But then it's got the patchy hair. I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: don't again, I don't like the fact that it's bipedal.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: I really wish it had more prominent ears, But the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: look is it's still a good look. Uh So, I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: think that's all I have with outside of the two
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: things that didn't work for me. Too many dead just
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: too many dead dogs, too fucking many dead dogs. And
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: then the dad just not being supportive. That is not
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: the dad I will be. I might not understand what
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: my daughter's gonna go through later on in life, but I.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Will be there to support her feel gross about it.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna make her feel gross about it because
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: this is something that happens to every single woman. So
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: anything else you got, yep, all right, well, then I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: will end with I had something I was gonna end with,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: did you I did? I don't know. I just think
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: that beneath the fur and blood and body horror, I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: think it's just one of the most painfully human stories
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: the you know that were wolves have ever told. It's
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: it's scary, funny, it's emostally devastating, and I think it's
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: smart anchored by two performances that deserve to be discussed
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: alongside some of the greatest and horror history. Emily Perkins
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: and Catherine Isabel As sisters were an absolute perfect match.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: I think they were unreal, and I like the fact
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: that they are slowly turning into this werewolf for the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: period to the full moon, you know, so they like
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: she gets the little fangs at first, and then the tail,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: and then the clause, and then she fully transforms on
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Halloween Night, just like Silver Bullet. We got two Wearwolf
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: movies that end on Halloween Night. So that's all I've got.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Let's roll into the final cut, all right, So taglines
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: She's got the Curse. They don't call it the curse
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: for nothing. Hungry like the Wolf, Ginger snaps and bites.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Wow love that one. Trivia director John Fawcett refused to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: have CGI effects in the film, opting for all of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: the special creature effects to be done with prosthetics and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: makeup real MVP right there, along with the coincidence of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: stars Catherine Isabel and Emily Perkins auditioning on the same
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: day and both landing the roles. The two actresses were
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: also born in the same hospital, attended these same preschool
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: and elementary school, and worked through the same talent agency.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Wow It's Crazy. Despite being a major success internationally in
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: the UK and Australia, Ginger Snap struggled to get noticed
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: in the USA until HBO began airing it in the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: early two thousands, which was when the film started to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: peak the interest of North American horror fans. Due to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: the fact that the feature the film features teenagers in
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: violent situations, production had a difficult time getting funding because
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: of the colum Mine massacre and other school shootings that
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: had recently occurred. Because Columbne was ninety nine, this was
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: banned from certain cinemas in the UK in two thousand
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: as it was seen as promoting violence amongst teenagers. However,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: when the VHS released later that year, it was one
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: of the fastest selling horror films of that time. So
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: no goofs that I could find of value. We have
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: a six point eight out of ten on IMDb for
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: our purposes of the Nightmare index, that is a three
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: point four out of five. Then we have a three
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: point seven out of five on Letterbox, a ninety percent
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: on the Tomato Meter, and a seventy eight percent audience score.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: What did you give this? Yeah, that's what I figured.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: I gave it a four, and I almost want to
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: just bump it up to a four and a half because, honestly,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: my only problem with this is the dead dogs.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Look, if I could figure out what it was that
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't working for me, I'd tell you.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: Fine, then I will give it an extra half point
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: because you can't figure it out. So that's a four
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: and a half from me. Which gives us a nightmare
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: index of a three point seven eight, which is going
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: to be let's see here, that is gonna fall at
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: our number nine spot. In between, we are still here
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: with a three point sixty nine and Reanimator with a
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: three point eighty four out of five. Oh nice, mom,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you man. Letterbox really struggles with finding similar movies.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: But let's start with IMDb similar movies. You got, you
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: got Ginger Snaps two, Unleashed Ginger Snaps back the beginning,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: American Mary because you know Catherine, Isabel May and Dog
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: Soldiers similar movies, according to Letterbox Cursed. All right, we're
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: off to a great start. It's Evil Dead Okay. It
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: follows Sure Cabin Fever and then Evil Dead Rise.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on. All right, let's do
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: some funny reviews and get out of you. Okay, I've
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: got twelve geez now, I brought seven because I figured
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: we would have some overlap.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: So okay, I have three.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: Oh good Lord, I should start so you don't read
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: the three I have. All right, go ahead, okay, first up, Cookie, Cookie?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, their names Cookie?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, how many stars did they give it?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Four stars? Watched this movie because I took a which
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: murderous teenage girl are you? Personality? Quiz and got Ginger Fitzgerald.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, deleted that one. Five stars from Sophie I want
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: this entire movie tattooed on my ass. I love it
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: so much, dude.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: What Three stars from Russman. This movie would have turned
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: out a lot different if it was it's called Snickerdoodle.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Uh. Two and a half from Adam Bolt. What the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: fuck did dogs do to the people who made this movie?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: I agree? What the hell?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Four stars from Jody perfect Halloween movie for girls who
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: are both sexy but also deeply weird and off putting.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: This one specifically for you, so you can tell me
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: because I couldn't spot it. Three stars from Cat BB.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you just have to stop and say, damn, that's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: a terrible wig.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Oh they're talking about the white wig that she was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: wearing towards the.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: End of the Ooh. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Three
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: stars from Mary Ginger did nothing wrong. In fact, she
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: could have snapped harder. And last, but not least, we
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: have three and a half stars from Sarah Clements. I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: always thought Ginger Snaps was a weird title, but then
• 1:07:52
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