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251: Sister Wives Recap - One On One: Part One (S19 E26) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: on one Tell Nothing's thro Fluster Wives Season nineteen. Are
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Beatrice, why don't you give us a little takeaway
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  Speaker 1: something that you thought after you watched the Sister Waves.
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  Speaker 2: Cody's hair yea is absolutely horrid. I was just looking
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  Speaker 2: at it in this one on one. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: know we've been seeing it all seasoned the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of seasons and stuff like that, but this one on
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  Speaker 2: one with the close up images of his hair, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, dude, he's got it shaved on the sides
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, and it's got pulled back and he's
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  Speaker 2: got the two tendrils that are like glued on the top.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I've got a hair band in there too, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like he's getting the bump, the back and the back bump.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand, like how Robin thinks that's attractive. How
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  Speaker 2: Cody looks in the mirror and is like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: look like I have a full head of hair skill
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  Speaker 2: in it.
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  Speaker 1: It's so bad, it's bad. It's getting worse.
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  Speaker 2: It's getting really bad.
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  Speaker 1: And I love that for him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh me too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So my takeaway was that I thought I detected
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of fire from Suki this time, like
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  Speaker 1: she well, not a lot, like a candle. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: it deserves more like somebody, God, what my kingdom for
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  Speaker 1: somebody who would push back against Cody Brown, who once
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  Speaker 1: again showed his ass. I was almost aggressive with Suki, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and definitely, and how he spoke with her, But I
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  Speaker 1: could see in Suki like a little bit more pushback
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  Speaker 1: and maybe she was a bit disapproving of some of
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  Speaker 1: his answers and she was trying to challenge him a
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  Speaker 1: bit more, which caused him to get even more crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that trend grows and persists throughout all
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  Speaker 1: of the towels me too.
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  Speaker 2: I just won't hold my breath for it. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: could see a little bit of pushback, little things like
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  Speaker 2: it seems like she's getting kind of fed up with
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  Speaker 2: having to like manage him. Can you imagine, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: him just cutting her off constantly.
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  Speaker 1: He's not even listening. No, have you ever met someone
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  Speaker 1: who is sitting there and you can actually see them
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  Speaker 1: thinking of what they want to say as you're still
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  Speaker 1: talking and trying to relay some information to them. That
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  Speaker 1: was absolutely what was happening with Cody and Suki. He's
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  Speaker 1: just thinking about how he wants to go crazy and
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  Speaker 1: what he wants to say.
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  Speaker 2: It was so rude. I can't imagine being Suki. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I know, we give her crap and we have in
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  Speaker 2: the past and everything because she's very soft on Cody
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  Speaker 2: and Robin. But like, I also can't imagine having to
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  Speaker 2: interview and like manage people like Cody and Robin who
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  Speaker 2: just never want to tell the truth, who always deflect.
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  Speaker 2: Cody gets really aggressive, Like I just.
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  Speaker 1: Can't Robin doesn't even want to watch the clips. Girl
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  Speaker 1: hy TLC and the production company Puddle Monkey lets her
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  Speaker 1: get away with that, Like what good are you if
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  Speaker 1: you're not even going to watch the episodes, if you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to watch the clips that you can intelligently
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  Speaker 1: contribute to the conversation. Right, But because it's toxic and
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  Speaker 1: it's disturbing, and because you don't want to see yourself
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  Speaker 1: and the things that you have done played back to you,
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  Speaker 1: you won't even look at the teleprompter.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, And I don't know how that's even allowed.
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  Speaker 2: But whatever is going to cry her way through, its toxic.
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  Speaker 2: It's because of you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is because of you. And she didn't really
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  Speaker 1: seem sad to me. She seemed like she was ready
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  Speaker 1: to fight. She seems very cold.
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  Speaker 2: That jaws hard.
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  Speaker 1: It's very hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hard job. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So those are my thoughts, those are your thoughts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into the episode. So, season nineteen, episode twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: the one on one Part one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and apparently, per the family's request, we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to discuss Garrison's passing at all, which I have mixed
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  Speaker 2: feelings about because I'm like, Okay, I guess I understand
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  Speaker 2: like not wanting to bring up a really sensitive, like
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  Speaker 2: tragic subject and then have the family fight about like
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I guess they get it, But
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, I wish we could talk about
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  Speaker 2: it a little bit, especially with Cody and Robin.
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  Speaker 1: But right I think I fall on the side of
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  Speaker 1: appreciating that we're not talking about Garrison because it makes
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  Speaker 1: it more difficult to somebody reviewing the show to go
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  Speaker 1: in hard on some of these parents for the shit
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  Speaker 1: that they're doing. Yeah, it's like when you have that
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  Speaker 1: subject in that That's the reason we've been having so
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  Speaker 1: many after shows, because we want to be able to
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  Speaker 1: say what we feel right, but be respectful. Be respectful
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  Speaker 1: because we're also dealing with the tragedy. So I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: that because I'm going in and I don't care. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: At least now we can go in, yeah and be
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  Speaker 2: angry at these people because some of the things that
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  Speaker 2: Cody and Robin were saying in this episode were ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: We start off with clips of Cody, well, actually, no,
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  Speaker 2: we don't. We start off with asking what movie do
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  Speaker 2: you envision your life if you could pick one movie
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  Speaker 2: to represent your life.
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  Speaker 1: Before we even do that, we are on the road
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  Speaker 1: headed to so to God.
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  Speaker 2: I blocked that out of my mind and.
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  Speaker 1: I only mention it because for the most part, it's
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  Speaker 1: a nothing burger. But I only mention it because we
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  Speaker 1: have Cody and Robin in their brand new convertible Mercedes,
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  Speaker 1: and then I was checking out all the vehicles in
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  Speaker 1: the background that we know that Cody has purchased and
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  Speaker 1: has financed. But then we have Cody talking about the
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  Speaker 1: first reunion that they ever filmed and how there was
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  Speaker 1: a makeup artist that did Robin's makeup and she looks
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  Speaker 1: so beautiful, and then he does something like ooh uh
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  Speaker 1: that like please don't, please do not.
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  Speaker 2: That, Like I literally blocked that out of my mind
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  Speaker 2: because it was so disgusting. Right again, I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: nobody cares about you and Robin's romance. Nobody cares that
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  Speaker 2: you guys are sexually attracted to each other. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even want to envision it. I don't understand how he
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  Speaker 2: thinks something like that is even appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's something they're trying to roll out
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  Speaker 1: to us, Like we have them both on that poor horse,
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  Speaker 1: which is like animal abuse. Yeah, and then we have
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  Speaker 1: her going ooh, he's a rancher rarer. Like I feel
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  Speaker 1: like they're trying to present themselves with like this great
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  Speaker 1: sexual energy, and I'm just like, I don't need any
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  Speaker 1: of that, not one part of that is for me,
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  Speaker 1: miss me.
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  Speaker 2: With that, I don't understand because if you are conscious
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  Speaker 2: to the fact that everybody in the entire world hates you,
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  Speaker 2: hates like literally hates you, there are people that are
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  Speaker 2: way worse than us in terms of their opinions of
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  Speaker 2: Cody and Robin and like want them dead. Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, why would you think that we as the
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  Speaker 2: viewers care about your sexual romance and that you guys
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  Speaker 2: find each other attractive.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, because neither one of you are attracted.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mystery to me. But we can also see
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  Speaker 1: that Robin is not looking forward to this reunion. She's
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  Speaker 1: dreading it. Looks like she's been traumatized in the past
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  Speaker 1: and she knows she's going to get retraumatized having to
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  Speaker 1: sit down and take accountability for her demonic behavior. God forbid,
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  Speaker 1: we wrestle against their principalities and the powers. Robin, but
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  Speaker 1: she's not looking forward to it. But Janelle's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a good time. It's gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: Sukie's nice.
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  Speaker 1: I just have to remember, like I shouldn't share too much,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's easy to forget because Suki's right, right,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm just like, no, share more, please, I would
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  Speaker 1: love that. And Mary says she's not worried about it
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  Speaker 1: either because she's confident now because she's worthied up, she
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  Speaker 1: knows herself, knows her answers, and she's just not gonna
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  Speaker 1: have her walls up anymore. And also, when you don't lie,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to remember your story, which I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: who are you calling out? I know who you're I
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  Speaker 1: know I know who it's Robin and Cody.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. But Christine's not happy about the one on one.
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  Speaker 2: She says she hates them. She hates being confronted with
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  Speaker 2: the hard things, which I'm just like.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, right, but you like the paycheck right exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, just answer the hard questions, jeez. But
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: then we get to the actual one on ones, and
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  Speaker 2: this is where we have that dumb question from Suki.
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  Speaker 2: If you could pick one movie describe your life, what
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  Speaker 2: would it be?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, this is so dumb.
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  Speaker 2: This is so dumb. Nobody cares not what movie except
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  Speaker 2: Cody picked a movie that was about a bank robbery.
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  Speaker 1: It was, but it was about bank robbers who were surfers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, stop it. No, I've never seen the movie, so
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  Speaker 2: I just thought it was I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like that's why he chose it. And I think
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: in the end of point Break, Patrick swayzey, I think
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  Speaker 1: they're in Australia and there's these huge waves coming in
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  Speaker 1: and Keanu Reeves is the FED and he's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well you either come with me or you can go
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  Speaker 1: get in the waves. And so Patrick Swayzy jumps into
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  Speaker 1: these huge waves and presumably dies or gets the way.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm just like, what, Cody, what are you talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's simply because he associates himself as a
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  Speaker 1: as a surfer shut from Utah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and then he changes his mind and he says
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: Batman returns because and I wrote down the quote he said.
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  Speaker 2: It was something like, if you don't die the hero,
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  Speaker 2: you live long enough to become the villain. And then
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  Speaker 2: Suki's like, so you're the villain. He's like, no, but
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  Speaker 2: I've been villainized right, Like, oh my.
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  Speaker 1: God, he was so close. He was, so because you
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  Speaker 1: are the villain. Yeah, you've turned into the villain. You're
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: the villain of your entire family, and if we could
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  Speaker 1: just start owning some of that, maybe we could get somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: But no, very quickly he pivots and he's like, I'm
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: the victimized. Yeah, okay, Cody bullyas never change.
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  Speaker 2: Never change at all. And then we get into clips
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  Speaker 2: of Cody saying that he did love the wives, but
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: he never loved the wives and how he's gone back
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  Speaker 2: and forth with this over the couple seasons, and then
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  Speaker 2: Suki asks everybody questions about it, and Cody's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just good because I was going through a brig
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: up phase where I said that I didn't love them,
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: but like, maybe I did, I guess. And Robin says
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  Speaker 2: that he was rewriting history with this, which is kind
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  Speaker 2: of interesting hm hmm. But she also says something gross
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  Speaker 2: like it was an aphrodisiac for your to be in
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  Speaker 2: love with the other women, And.
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  Speaker 1: She said this before she said that she was most
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: attracted to Cody because he was a family man and
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: because he allegedly loved his wives, and so hearing him
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: say in later seasons that he never loved these wives
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  Speaker 1: was very troubling to her. Because that's kind of the
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  Speaker 1: foundation of their attraction. But I don't believe that.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's why you fell in love with
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: Cody Brown. I think it was because they were going
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: to be creating a show about polygamous and you heard
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: about it, and so you orchestrated a meeting with Cody.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: I think you were having some kind of an affair
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  Speaker 1: with Cody before you ever met Janelle, ever met Christina,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe even ever met Mary. That's just a hunch
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  Speaker 1: that I have. Yeah, this is some grand machination that
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: you have conducted this entire time.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: I could see it, honestly with how she's acted. But
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  Speaker 2: it's just interesting to me that she is willing to
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  Speaker 2: call Cody out on that and say that it was
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: him rewriting history, because a lot of the time she
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: defends him or she'll say the same lies as him.
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  Speaker 2: She does in this episode a little bit later. But
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  Speaker 2: like I just it was just interesting to me that
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: she calls him out for that.
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  Speaker 1: But well, what would it say about her if she
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  Speaker 1: married into a polygamous family where the husband didn't love
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  Speaker 1: the wives that's the thing, Yeah, and didn't take care
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  Speaker 1: of the children.
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  Speaker 2: Point.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a reflection on her, wouldn't it good? Point?
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  Speaker 2: So she's all about yep, her image not necessarily just Cody's.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Its hers interesting. And then we have Cody saying some
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: bullshit about how it's difficult in polygamy to love everybody
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  Speaker 2: equally and that he tried really hard to nurture all
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: of his other relationships, which is a total fing lie.
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  Speaker 2: He also tried really hard to elevate the OG three
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  Speaker 2: relationships up to the level that Robin and his relationship
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  Speaker 2: were at, but he failed. Well, he didn't fail. They failed.
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  Speaker 1: They failed.
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  Speaker 2: They failed to rise too.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't that a tacit acknowledgment that there were different levels, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and that it was unequal, yes, and that Robin was
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: on a higher level, like something that you have denied
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  Speaker 1: season after season after season. I mean even last season
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  Speaker 1: you were denying that you treated anybody differently. So now
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: we're getting some sort of a sideways acknowledgement that indeed
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: their relationship was what did he call it, a higher love,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: a higher divine a higher divine love. Yeah, and that
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: he was struck with this divine love like from the
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: very beginning. So Christine is right, yeah. When she talks
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: about how as soon as Robin entered the family things changed, yep,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: and as soon as Mary legally divorced Cody, like the
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: instruction of the family happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what's so interesting about Cody is that,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: like you could admit all of these things, like you're
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: basically saying Robin was your favorite, you were more in
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: love with her than any of the other wives, and
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: all of these things, but then you're very quick to
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: say no, no, no, but like I did really good
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  Speaker 2: in my other relationships. I nurtured everything. It was just
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: their fault. Like that's the level of delusion that Cody
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Brown is at. I mean, just look at his hair.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Like you're right, see it's in another dementia.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: He it really is. And then he also talks about
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: like the things that Robin was good at that the
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: other wives were not good at, Like she was good
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: at communication and loving him, and Sukie says she was
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: good at negotiating with him. And then also Robin had
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: a healthy amount of self respect, And this gets us
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: into a conversation of like did Cody actually respect the
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: og three wives. Christine says she feels like Cody respected
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: her like a little bit and.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Some well, she starts by saying, I don't think he
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: ever felt he needed to, yeah, but then she said,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: but maybe he respected that I was a mom or
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: that I was a wife. But she also said that
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't think she had self respect, like she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: respecting herself, and then she goes into talking about how
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: she was actually fixated on Cody and Cody's impact on
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: their family in their home because whenever Cody came home,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: everybody had to adjust and accommodate around what Cody wanted
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: to eat and what Cody wanted to do, and so
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: everybody had to change it up. And she's like, that's
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: not fair, Like you should come home and integrate yourself
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: into the existing family, not have everybody move around to
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  Speaker 1: accommodate you. So the focus is always on Cody, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: in that way, So she acknowledged that, and it seems
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  Speaker 1: to be true.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And she also says that she was
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: disgusted with herself for centering her entire life around like
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: what Cody needed, what Cody wanted, and how Cody felt
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: about things. And that's why part of the reason why
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: she doesn't like doing these one on ones and these
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: tell nothings because she has to live that part of
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: her life where she was not respecting herself enough to
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: care about her own feelings and everything else.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: But I just want to say, like, this is the stuff, though,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: that you really need to say out loud publicly. She
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: need to acknowledge that you centered this toxic person, that
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you gave essential parts of yourself away, and also that
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: your kids went without so that you could platform this person.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And that's a mistake I think that a lot of
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: women make with men in their lives, especially when we're younger,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and a lot of men make the same mistake with women.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: And so acknowledging that so that anybody who watches can
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: go back and see that, I think is really helpful.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And then I think Janelle said that
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: she had a lot of self respect, so she's like,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: what was our relationship then, Like I was respecting myself,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I was good at communicating, and Mary talks about how
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: she didn't have any self respect, especially the last I
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: don't know did she say it was the last time
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: ten or fourteen years something like that, something longer, which
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, that's good for Mary to finally acknowledge
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a little bit. I wish she would kind of dive
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: more into it of like I didn't have enough self
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: respect because I kept chasing a man that didn't want
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to be with me any longer. But she's getting there,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: so I won't be too critical. And then we get
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: a question I think from Suki asking Cody, like if
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: he respected the OG three, and he says he respected
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Mary more than Janelle, but then he respected Janelle and
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Mary more than Christine, which basically just means he didn't
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: respect Christine at all.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: There was levels of respect for the wives, I guess,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: but it's like one of those comments that you don't
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: need to say.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: No, not all.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: You don't need to say all that. You could just
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: say yes, I did respect them, right, and I think
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: they respected me and or sometimes you know, the respect
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't there. That's something that definitely we should have worked on.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But he can't help himself but to vomit out this
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: toxicity towards these women, and that's.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: What's so crazy. And he like even makes a comment
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: the beginning of this saying like it's hard to be
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: accountable for things that you say in a passionate moment.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, every moment with you is a passionate,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: angry moment. So when can you ever really be accountable
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: for anything? Apparently never?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: And when did he say it's easy to pick on
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: someone who doesn't have a filter, Yeah, something, Well, then
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: learn to have a filter. Fifty I don't know, go
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: to therapy for re, read a book about how to
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: emotionally regulate instead of just spew out all this vitriol
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: on your wives and your children and damage all of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: these people's lives. I mean, I don't know, be proactive
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: with your mental health.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: God no, because it's everybody else's fault except his. That's
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Cody Brown for you. And then when Cody was talking
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: about wanting to elevate all of his other relationships to
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: the level where him and Robin's were at, Robin echoes
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: this and says this is what he communicated to her,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and then the other OG three wives are like, we
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: were never told that, and that's bullshit. Like I think
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Janelle's like, that would have been nice to know. Mary says,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: that's completely unfair and gross that you would think that
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: we need to be like Robin, because we're not going
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: to be like Robin, and Christine says it was a
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: flat out lie. So it's totally Cody just making up
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: some stupid excuse for how he treated the OG three
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: wives over the last fifteen years or whatever because he
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: thinks it makes him look good. Oh, I tried really hard.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I tried to love these unlovable women, is basically what
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: he's trying to tell us.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: He thinks that makes him look good, which is just
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: absolutely insane. And then we have Suki pulling up another
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: clip about the spiritual release that Mary got, Yeah, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: it's kind of opened up a conversation about the spiritual
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: release and the legal divorce that she did hmm several
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: years ago, so that way Cody could adopt Robin's kids,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: which I thought was kind of interesting.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Very interesting. So there's two issues within that that I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: want to definitely get into. The first issue is around
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the terminology of abandonment and how her release was granted
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: on the basis of that, and how that is just
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a point that sticks in his craw and he can't
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: seem to accept and or acknowledge, and neither can Robin
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: that maybe there was some abandonment there. And the second
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: was around the catfish because it's like the thing that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about right even now, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Cody's talking about it without actually saying what it is,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and for anybody who's watched the show, we know what
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: he's talking about, and then Mary is still not able
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to actually talk about it at all. I'm wondering if,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: because we're talking about it a little bit now, whether
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: as we go on with the tell Nothings, she'll start
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to open up about it. But it's still such a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: point of secretiveness for her. She does not want to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that she was cheating. It didn't work
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: out in her favor because the man she was talking
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to was a woman and this woman was taking advantage
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of her, But it doesn't change the fact that she
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: was cheating. Yeah, and that is what Cody. That's how
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Cody marks the end of their relations. So those two
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: things I thought were fascinating, very interesting and got me activated.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So the word, do you want to start with the abandonment.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Or with the We'll just go into the abandonment because
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: that was kind of what they started with and it
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: was kind of I don't know, it was frustrating because
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I feel like we've talked about it a lot before.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: But Mary is confused as to why Cody even cares
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: about what the church said, because Cody was saying to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: her that he didn't leave her because of their religion,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: but then he doesn't even subscribe to the religion anymore,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: so like, why.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Do you even care?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: No, he was saying that he didn't leave her because
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: of the religion, right, Oh is that what she said?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe I heard you. Yeah, he didn't leave her because
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of the religion. But at the same time or out
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of the other side of his mouth, he's like, yeah,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: but I don't care about the religion is a part
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of it? Yeah? And is this where he's also talking
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: about being afraid to tell Mary that it was over
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: because he didn't know what her reaction was going.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: She was going to do? Yeah? And Mary's offended by
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: this because she like, what do you think I was
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: gonna do? Like this is crazy? And even Janelle echoes that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: She's like, are you trying to paint Mary as like
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: some psycho that is going to kill you or something
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: because you're leaving her? But Christine, yes, maybe it's a
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: comment about how everybody felt like they had to walk
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: around on eggshells around Mary because they didn't know if
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: she was going to be good one day or bad
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the next. So I'm like, Okay, where's the truth here?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that Christine is telling the truth, but
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: that that's not specific to the subject that they were discussing. Yes,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: throughout the course of all of their relationships, Mary was
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: hard to deal with, and we've talked about that, But
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: as it concerns the breakup of her marriage with Cody
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: and Cody being allegedly afraid, what she's talking about doesn't
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: make any sense. And I just personally, and I don't
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: know how you feel about it or anybody else, I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: felt like it wasn't her place to say that, or
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to try and attribute like history of their relationships back
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: from the eighties and nineties in the eye, like try
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to pin that on Mary during the breakup of her
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and Cody's marriage. I agree that felt a little mean,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and it seemed like Christine started to walk it back
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Well, but she's made so many changes,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: she's person I know she's really trying hard. That comes
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: off a little bit condescending to me. What with the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: changes you're making, Christine, What about all the mistakes that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you've made.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: No, for real, I thought that was kind of a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: mean comment to make, because she does say like, oh, well,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Mary is a different person now, she's grown a lot.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, then why are you saying that? Yeah?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Because if that was Mary when she was nineteen twenty
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: something or whatever, when she was her frontal lobe wasn't
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: fully developed and she was emotionally unregulated. I don't think
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: that's fair to compare that version of Mary to forty
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: something year old version of Mary or.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Fifty year old mar fifty Cody, you weren't even around
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: for that. I mean, you were around obviously in Flagstaff
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: for a period of time, and you were around in Vegas,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and so I'm sure you were privy to what was
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: happening in their relationship, but you weren't around for their
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: final conversations. You weren't around for when Cody would have
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: been afraid yeah, because he told her yeah and they
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: broke up, So like, why are you speaking on it now?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: That did not seem fair to me.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: No, it didn't at all. And I liked Janelle's point
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: of view on it because she was just like Cody,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: just be an adult like you can just talk to
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: her like a person. And I think even Mary says
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: something to you to the effect of, like, it's okay,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: if he changed his mind and like fell out of
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: love with me or whatever, I wish he would have
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: just said that, like, then maybe we could have broken
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: things off. I could have married my banana person and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: it would have been fine, you know what I mean,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: really it would have been great. And so I thought
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that was interesting that Janelle was kind of backing up
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Mary in that regard about then Christine was being kind
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of mean girl energy about it. And then we get
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: into the legal divorce and like whether or not Cody
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and Robin had like an ulterior motive with that, Like
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Sukie actually asks that question, which was kind of interesting.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: But Cody starts off this conversation with like, well, after
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the legal divorce, nothing changed. Everything was fine until something.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Happened that I don't want to talk about, which is
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the catfish. We all know what it is, yes, which
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it's just like, why are we talking about it?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Why is it?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Like, well, because he doesn't want to acknowledge that he
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: really did want that legal divorce from Mary and that
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: he really did want to be married to Robin. He
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: didn't want to acknowledge the fact that maybe Robin had
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: started setting things in motions by perhaps mentioning to the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: wives and the kids from time to time that it's
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: perfectly common in polygamist families to divorce one wife and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Mary another to adopt their kids. He doesn't want to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: acknowledge any of that because he's constantly in a defensive
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: posture about Robin, and so it's easier for him. It's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: much more convenient for Cody to mark the beginning of
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the end as the catfish, which happened after the legal
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: divorce by about what a year or something like fish
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: something like.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: That, Yeah, because he stopped hanging out with Mary at
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: that point in time and probably cut off intimacy after
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the legal divorce, and then that was when Mary started
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: to become or feel neglected and then search elsewhere for
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: love and affection because Cody wasn't given her nun And
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, look, I understand that the catfish would
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: be like a marker of an end to or like
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the end of their relationship, because I mean,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: once you start cheating or like looking elsewhere, it's like, yeah,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: maybe your marriage is kind of doomed at that point.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I get it, But at the same time,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Cody is totally shifting blame away from himself. But it
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: was interesting when we got into the legal divorce discussion
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: because Christine says something like Robin was the one planting
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: seeds in the family and saying, oh, this is very
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: common in polygamist families, and blah blah blah. Of course,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Mary's like, oh, I don't recall that, and Robin's like, oh,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I don't recall that. But Robin makes a comment about
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: how we knew that this was a thing that happened
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: in polygamists families because Cody's dad did it mm hm,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: which means that he divorced Cody's mom to marry Janelle's mom.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Or the other wife. It could be the other wife
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: or the third named Bobby. I forget what her name is. Yeah,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if when when married Janelle's mom Cheryl. Yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I mean Janelle was a full grown woman, so I'm
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: not sure that he adopted any of her kids, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: maybe there were some littles that he did adopt. I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: don't know the history or the lare there, but he
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: did have another wife and it could have been that wife, yeah,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that Robin is referring to, but like she's like, I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: never talked about that. But then she's like, but I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: do know that it happened, and Suki says, well, Christine's
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the one who said she heard it, and then Robin
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: pulls a funky face and she's like, okay, mm hmmm,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: because she hates she hates Christine, and Christine is staying
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: on her back, staying on that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I kind of love it, honestly, like, bring more of
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: that Caddy energy. Let's fight yep, Let's fine, yep. And
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: then what else do we talk about with the legal divorce? Oh,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Robin said that Mary only got a release because of
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: what she said.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Right, because she was asked directly, did Cody abandon Mary?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: And Robin takes the moment, how am I going to
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: answer this so that it will seem the best for
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: me and I can get out of this unscathed, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: she does basically say that, you know, Mary's the one
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that went got the release. Mary's the one that's going
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to tell the story according to her perspective, and so
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: she got the release that she asked for based on
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the grounds that she asked for whereas Mary's like, that's
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: not what I did. Yeah, I went. I told him
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: what had happened and how the relationship was, and they
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: were the ones that designated that the grounds would be abandonment.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Cody can't believe that, No, and Robin doesn't believe it either. Well,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I think Robin does believe it, but she won't acknowledge
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: it because Robin, you know full well that when COVID
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: happened and Mary was in Flagstaff, that she was alone
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: all the time. You know that Cody did not visit her,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: didn't want to visit her, and or did you visit
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: her or your kids who Mary bought that or rented
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that place because it had the jungle gym and all
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the things in the back, and your kids were supposed
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to come over all the time and play at Mary's house,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: but you never went there. You know that woman is neglected, yep.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So it's really foul for you not to acknowledge that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: at least Mary could have felt that way.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: But no, no, she can't at all. And then she
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: even defends Cody by saying that he was actually a
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: very present husband for you. I'm like, for you your kids. Yeah,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: what about his kids.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: He didn't talk to any of Janelle's kids during COVID
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: for what did the boys say, like seven or eight months? Yeah,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: at least they didn't see him. And then after you
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: have that big fight with Janelle over Christmas and she
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: kicked you out of her dormitory apartment, you didn't even
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: call Savannah for a month. What did Havana do, little
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: angel Savannah? You don't care about those kids. So Robin, yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: he's real present for you and your family, and you
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: know this, I know that's what makes her evil.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like we have tried in our own
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: way to like look at Robin like, well, maybe she
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: was kind of innocent in some parts, maybe not, but
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: after this one on one, I'm like, no, confirmed, you
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: are so evil. You will never change and you will
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: always defend Cody and you will always play the victim
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: because you can't ever be wrong, and like, you can't
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: deal with the heat of being the favorite wife and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the wife that took Cody away from his entire family
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: of seventeen freaking kids.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: What would it cost you, like honestly to just say
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, I think from time to time
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the schedule was unequal or there were times one wife,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you know, saw Cody more than others, and yeah it
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: was often me, but that's because he had his stuff.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: You're like, what would it cost you to just admit
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to some of these things? Right? But you don't admit
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to any of these things, not even that Mary was neglected,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: which she was.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna say that he was a present husband
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: because you're running defense for him, which we all know
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: is a freaking lie. But like whatever, and then.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I can we go? Can we go back a little
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: bit to the legal divorce. The night of the legal divorce,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Cody had said, inappropriately and crudely, according to Mary, that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: they had you know, he gave her a ring or
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: a watch or a necklace and then they had sex,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: which Mary's like, that's not appropriate. I don't know why
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: he's talking about that. We had an agreement we wouldn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: talk about bedroom stuff, but he was saying it to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: illustrate that. No, everything was great. I was really happy
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: with her and nothing changed. Yeah after that, nothing changed,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Like he made a point to say that. Yeah, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he's like, until Mary started getting involved in something that
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I won't talk about and she kicked me out of
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the house, and so the way that he's kind of
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: setting it up, and I just want to admit that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched all of those episodes, so I'm not
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: sure what actually happens during the Catfish. But the way
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: he's setting it up is like he's over at Mary's
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: house one night and she's like, I want you to leave,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and he can hear her somewhere in the house talking
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to somebody and giggling on the phone. Yeah, the way
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: he laid it out in this conversation was he was
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: already feeling betrayed, and I'm like, why were you feeling betrayed?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: So did you know about the catfish? Because there is
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the theory and the rumor that Robin and her friend
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Grenya knew that Mary was talking to this woman who
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: was pretending to be a man, and that Cody had
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that information. So were you lying in bed in Mary's
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: house pretending you didn't know about the catfish, feeling betrayed
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and listening to her giggle? Like what did you think
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: of that?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I think that was all a lie to pain himself
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: as this victim. That was this husband that was very
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: present and cared about Mary so much and loved her
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: so much, and then he was shocked and chagrined that
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: she was cheating on him with somebody that he found out,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: and then he got kicked out of the house. I
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: was actually reading about this on Reddit because I haven't
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: seen all of the episodes either, but I kind of
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: remember when all this stuff happened. Mary didn't kick him out.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: She just said she needed space, and so he took
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: it as he's getting kicked out because it's Cody Brown.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: After all. When he wants to be kicked out, he
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to be with Mary. A little thing is
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: going to be that catalyst.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think he's just spinning the whole catfish
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: situation to work in his favor. That Mary betrayed him,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: which I mean it is a little bit of a betrayal.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: But if after the divorce, you stopped paying attention to her,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: like maybe you guys banged that night and you gave
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: her a necklace or whatever, but then did you just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: ghost her? Were yeah gone? Did you still visit her?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Did you still prioritize the relationship?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you didn't. And so over time she
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: got caught up with the catfish because she was neglected
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: because you abandoned her exactly.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: So it's just one of those really messy things. And
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: this is where I think Suki asks Janelle specifically if
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: she thought that Cody had like an old ulterior motive
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: with the legal divorce and everything, and Janelle says she
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't think Cody was smart enough to like scheme his
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: way into convincing Mary to divorce him so that way
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: he can marry Robin. And I wonder if there's some
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: truth to that, because we've talked about like if Cody
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: was smart enough to come up with this plan.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Well, but she didn't say Robin wasn't smart enough. See that,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: she didn't say Robin wasn't sophisticated enough. That was the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: thing that was left unsaid. Yeah, that was something I inferred.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I just thought it was an
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: interesting comment on Janelle's part. And then the last clip
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: that we see is like a montage or clip of
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Janelle and Cody at Josephinees Bistro and the Attic where
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: they were officially breaking up their relationship. And this is
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: where Janelle says in her talking head that Cody, by
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Polygamus standards is a total complete thing failure.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I just love it, and I love that he had
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to watch the clip and you could just see his face,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: says he's watching it for probably the second time. Yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: called the failure, and he is a failure. And Janelle
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: goes on to say, objectively, in our faith, in our culture,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: he is a failure of a husband. But he cannot
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: take responsibility, even within a structure or a religious framework
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that he no longer subscribes to. He cannot take responsibility
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and admit that he failed, not at all.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: And she talks about his ego too, like he can't
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: deal with it because of his massive ego. And then
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: this is where Cody responds. He's like, well, she likes
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: to throw around words like ego and failure because it's
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: just buzzwords and everything, but like, it's not my failure.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: It's actually a shared failure. It's everyone's failure in the family,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: not me, because I can't be the one to take
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: any responsibility. And Robin echoes this as well, that they're
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: all failures.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: It's not just Cody, right, Because Suki asks her directly,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: do you think Cody is a failure and she kind
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of laughs, yeah, Well the answer is yes. Of course,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and so she covers from and she's like, I think
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: we're all failures. Ever the diplomatic answer. I wish somebody
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: would have said, Okay, well how have you failed? I know, right,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Like what was the mistake that you made? Like where's
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: your ownership in any of this?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: She probably would say some bullshit like I love too much?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably I'm too awesome.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I cared too much about the family.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My weakness is that I'm so strong.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like that exactly. And then this is where
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: we see like Robin, she can't even watch the clip.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: We see her like Grimace and not even look at
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: the TV the entire time, and Sukie calls her out
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: on its, like why can't you just watch the clips though? Ho?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And Robin's like, it's just too disturbing, so toxic to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: watch everybody talk crap about of each other. It makes
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: me so.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Sad watching people that you love talk crap about each other.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, no, they're also talking crap about you, though, Yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And you have a distinct inability to watch them talk
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: about you and your part in this entire mess because
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you don't want to have to admit it confront it,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: deal with it, or talk about it, because you are
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a coward, dude, you throw the stones and you hide
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: your hands, and then you blame everybody else.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yep, you can't take the heat. No, And then we
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: kind of end the episode with Janelle saying she can't
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: decide if the way Cody's acting, like him being a villain,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: is all like his own ego trip because he can't
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: deal with being a failure, or if he's running interference
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: for Robin and taking some of the blame off of her,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: which I thought was kind of interesting. I don't know
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: if Cody would be willing to be the villain for
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Robin's sake, but he does defend her a lot. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: he did say was it this season or last? I
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: forget because there's been so many fucking episodes about him
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: being the devil, He'll become the devil.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I think that was last season.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I think that both of those things are true. I mean,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: obviously Cody has a massive, malignant, out of control ego,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: can't take responsibility, can't look at himself and see himself accurately.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: This we all know. But I do think even if
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: it's unconscious and reactive, I do think that he becomes
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: more hyperbolic and bombastic in order to sort of take
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the attention off of Robin. Because as dumb as Cody
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: is at he doubledick, he'd a dubad. He knows that
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Robin has been the one he's got to know on
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: some level, and I think he's pretty conscious to the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: fact that Robin has been the one that's been turning
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the head. She's the neck turning the head. And I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: was just thinking in my imagination as I was watching this,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I could just see them in bed at night talking
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: about things like the money. How are we going to
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: be able to get this home? How do we get
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the women to give us the proceeds from the sale
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of their homes. I could see them scheming, and I
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: think she's the one who is in more control, but
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I think he's complicit. Yeah, so if that's true, I
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: can see him villainizing himself or becoming this ogre of
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a person so people don't necessarily focus on Robin. But
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: he's not good at it. Yeah, He's just such a
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: cartoon character about it. And she's so cold and calculated
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't take somebody in mensa to recognize that
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: she's the one that's behind it all.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. I guess it's just like
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: he if he is consciously trying to be the villain
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to take the heat off of Robin. He still hates
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: being the villain though, like he still can't take any
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: account of that ego. It is the ego, So yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you're probably right, it is a bit of both. And
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting that, like Janelle seems
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to be the one to call him out on his bullshit,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: like she's the one that hits him where it hurts
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the most, because you know, he's just sitting there thinking
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: about it all day, that Janelle thinks that he's a failure,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and that Janelle's calling him out for his big ass ego,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Like you know, he's thinking about that more than anything else.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Because I think Janelle's one that yes, hm, yes, and
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I love it too. I thought there was not enough
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Janelle in this episode. I thought that there was too
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: much Cody, yep. And I just feel like it's Janelle
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that has got to be holding the most resentment towards
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Cody as a result of everything that's happened, especially Garrison.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's Janelle that would have the ability to tap into
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: this primal feminine rage that I think we all feel
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: when we watch this together, like or male rage, but
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: like this rage inside of her. And I'm like, say
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: more though, like talk about that. And I know we're
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: not talking about Garrison, and I can respect and understand that,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: but there are so many other things peripheral to that
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that you can say. And I wish you would say I.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Know, I wish they would all say it. I'm just like,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: just let it out.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, Janelle spending a lot of time laughing about it,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: like I don't know why I didn't tell me. Hahuh No,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: don't laugh.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: No, why aren't you mad?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Why aren't you getting your brass knuckles out? Why aren't
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: we beating him down? I know, talk to me about that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I need the Janelle from last season where she was
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: telling Cody to fuck off.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, bring more of that. That's the energy we want
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. And then we have the preview for the
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: next tell Alls to come, where we have Christine saying
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: that polygamous man that loses three wives, that has three
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: wives leave him is a total failure, Like this is
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: a problem with the man, not the women. Harriod, Harriet
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: point blank, Janelle saying that she thinks Cody has made
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: himself more of a villain to take off the heat
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: from Robin. And then Mary talking about how she was
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: shocked that Cody cried when she was moving, so we
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: want to talk more about that, okay. We have Christine
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: saying Cody picked favorites and he was the one that
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: ended the era and he should look in the fucking mirror.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: M M.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: We have Janelle saying Cody started telling everybody that she
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: was the one that controlled the money and that this
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: is just a tactic of Cody's that he hits all
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: of the wives where they hurt the most, their pain points.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Cody saying that apparently sex and money are now on
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the tables. That's why he's going to talk about.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: It because you put it on the table.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: But he's saying that the other wives put it on
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the table.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, but it was you who put it on the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: table exactly.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: And then we talk about Robin putting on makeup and
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: camping again. Oh why, I'm just like, I don't care.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: We get it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Cody likes a pretty.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Woman, he tell nothings of that. We just need a
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: couple of tell nothings getting to the actual good stuff.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: We don't need the regurgitation and the repeating of all
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I know, I don't get it. And then we have
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Janelle saying that if she had a one year long
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: courtship like Cody Robin did, then she probably wouldn't have
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: married Cody.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, I loved that, which was great. Yeah, and that's it. Okay, Well,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: this was kind of all over the place. I'm really
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: curious as to how they edit it, because you have
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: some of the wives and or Cody answering some of
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the things that another person said, and I'm like, well,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: who said what first? Did they actually hear the entire SoundBite?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: It would be so much better and more cohesive if
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: we were all just in the same room, for God's sake,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: But we're never going to get that. I was listening
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to a short video by Nikki Haverstock and she was
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: saying that this tell nothing or these foretel nothings were
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: filmed I think October first or second of twenty twenty four,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: just two weeks after the news of Christine's lawsuit came out.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Before they purchased the new McMansion and while the old
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: McMansion was still up for sale, and so she was
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: wondering if some of the agro energy were getting from
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Cody and Robin is because they've just been sued. Bitch,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I could see it. And their house isn't selling and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: where are they going to move to? And so maybe
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that's why there's some feelings around that, which I thought
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: was a very salient and interesting point.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Very interesting.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but why are we filming a reunion in effect,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: like eight months before the season ends? Like, why aren't
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: we filming the reunion after everybody on the cast has
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: had an opportunity to actually watch the episodes and see
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: what people are saying. But like, why are we doing
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: it this way? I just don't understand these decisions, TolC.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Why are we getting footage from two years ago in
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: a season of twenty five episodes and we have all
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: of these talking hits that are filmed at different periods
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: of time cobbled together to make it seem like it's
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: all cohesive, Like it's all of the editing in this
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: entire season. The last couple seasons has been atrocious.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'm so over it. I am probably gonna get a
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: season twenty.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Dude, No, we are getting a season twenty because there
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: has been footage of them filming.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Well, people talked about about how this was going to
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: be the end, and people are gonna they're gonna cancel
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the show, blah blah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it was also Nicki
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Havrs who said she heard rumors that they're going to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: be airing season twenty starting in fall this year, like
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: in a couple of months. Beatrice, Oh, yeah, we're gonna
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: have a bit of a break. Gone, and like two
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: or three months of a break and then we are
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: straight into season twenty, and I'm just like, well, what
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: are we talking about? Though? I know, like, I get it,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: we've got Coyote pass. I get that that's not been
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: resolved as of a year ago, which is when season
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: twenty would cover. That would be the timeline they're covering,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: But like, what else is there? Because Christina's already been married?
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Goddamn yeah, Like we don't need to see another Valentine
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: or Christmas with Christina and David.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: What's happened of any interest or import that we would
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: have to have a full season.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Beaty, I don't get it. I'm so tired of it,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: but I'm still gonna watch it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But maybe it would be a different type of Sister Wis.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's not gonna be any Cody and Robin. Wouldn't
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that be magical and wonderful.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: From your lips to God's ears? But it's not gonna
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: happen because they are broke af and they need the
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: pay checks.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that reminds me. I checked out the
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Sister Wives ratings. It's in my phone, but they have
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: dropped majorly. I talk about it in the after show, yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: because I'm always checking it to see like are people
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: still interested? When are and like what does the graph
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: say when did like interest fall off? And it was
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: interesting and I want to talk about it, so let's
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: save it for the after show. Yeah, And we have
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a few things again to talk about in the after show.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: We've got ratings, We've got a video that we want
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: to go over with you. We've got a speig pipe.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So if you're one of them Patreon raccoons, you hang
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: on because more is coming. But is there anything else
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that we need to say to all of these raccoons
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: beatus before we get a bought out of here.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Well, if you love our podcast, please go to your
• 47:39
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• 47:43
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• 47:45
  Speaker 2: join us in the dumpster, and we really appreciate it,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: so thank you very much.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: We will be back later this week to very reluctantly
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: and filled with hate, will we be talking about poly
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Family airing on TLC for some unknown We'll also be
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: back next week, of course, to continue our coverage of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Sister Wives. Until then, please do not forget that we
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: have done.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: It would love for you and please enlighten them