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5: AI, the Uncanny Valley, and Cringe Tolerance · Literally, the Worst Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, this is Anna.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_05: This is Lauren, and this is literally the worst.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_05: Welcome, welcome.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_05: Big, small, all of them.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_05: Important.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_05: Putty.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: Putty.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely of a putty for this week.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_05: I do.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_05: So um I've been reading physical books, and this last weekend I was obsessed and could hardly put down uh the night.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, the knave and the what's the second?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_05: Moon, that's what it was.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_05: Use an M-word, couldn't think of it.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_05: Knave and the Moon.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_05: And something that I realized, uh, you know, when you're snacking while you're reading and you get a crumb that falls into like the crease between the pages, and you go to try to get it out, and then it just like falls further down.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_05: And so it's like, well, trying to come at it from above, but that just then it just like is a it's just downward at an angle instead of straight down into the book.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_05: And so I don't know, I got a butter knife out and like scraped some of it out.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_05: But at that point, like it was just it was a bagel crumb, so then it's just dust.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, well, ashes to ashes, starch to starch, like the bagel just became one with the paper.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like oh my god.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: Paper is basically starch too, so yeah, yeah.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_05: Different different version of you know stuff, but so that's my that's my annoyance is petty.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Similarly, slightly different.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Crackers in bed.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's a risky move in general.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it is, but it's like, you know, somebody's out there eating crackers, crumbs.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like having sand in your swimsuit.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, except it's in your bed, which it's like there's not supposed to be gritty stuff in your bed.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Ever, period.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's the worst.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's nasty.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Don't recommend.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: Don't recommend.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and that is in bed in general.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: Also, that I'm just like, unless you're sick, in which case, go for it.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: You kinda have to.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_05: But generally, it's just like because if anything happens, you've either got sand in your bed, and then you have to get out, and so you have to get out of bed without like crushing it further.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_05: Did you ever hear?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_05: This reminds me, did you ever hear Jen Hamilton's story about the chocolate in the hotel bed?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's so.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_05: It's as terrible as it sounds.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so Jen Hamilton.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's hilarious.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, she's a I think she's an OBGYN nurse.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_05: Or something, influencer, and shares a lot online.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_05: And there was this story she told, I think it happened a couple years ago, uh, but she just retold it recently.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_05: And she was in a hotel, uh, had a long day or something, and was just eating some of those like dove chocolates in bed, and like realized she was missing some of them, looks down and is like, oh my gosh, the chocolate is like smeared into the bed.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, hotels with white sheets because you already have the sheets turned down.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_05: So she calls the front desk and is like, I just, I just need who like, please leave a note for whoever is gonna clean my room that this is not dookie everywhere.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_05: Like, it looks like it.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_05: It really looks like it, because there's chunks and smearage.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_05: And she was like, It looks like dookie everywhere.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_05: She said, But I promise you it's not.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_05: And then they kept being like, Well, we can send you up some fresh sheets, and she's like, No, no, no, no, it's only on one side of the bed.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_05: I'll sleep on the other side.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_05: And they're like, No, really, it's okay.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_05: And she's like, No, you just it's not poop.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I promise you it's not, but it's gonna look like it.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_05: And then she cut to at the very end of the video, she cut to what the bed looked like, and it definitely looked like she had a massive accident in the bed.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, no wonder.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_05: She was like, I'm leaving a massive tip and notes and the bag of chocolate to prove it.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh my gosh.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: So that's always have to go get a different hotel.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, I couldn't do it.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I just sneak out of there.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: Cringe.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Which speaking of cringe, speak.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_05: Oh no.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Somehow, okay, so I watched the trailer that is now infamous, of we'll link to it.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: We'll link to all this crap if we can find it.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: But the Elizabeth Holmes documentary that Nathan Fielder did, where it's just like one solid 60-second clip of eye contact until it makes Nathan Fielder uncomfortable.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: Which, if you don't know who Nathan Fielder is, he is a uh definitely autistic man who can who like has had Comedy Central shows where the whole purpose of the show is cringe.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like he is trying to make people cringe, and he's so good at it, but I think my favorite clip so far is he, you know, he does these like expert interviews as part of the show where he goes to see like an actual attorney to get advice, and he like lays out his ridiculous plan, and the attorney's like, no, no, man, no.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but he he's like, I don't even know who the expert was because it's just a clip.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like he's sitting there having this conversation.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, like, well, I'm glad I could be of help.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: Are you okay if I leave you my business card?
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: He pulls out, guys like, yeah, sure, it's fine.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: He pulls out a tortoise with a sticker on its shell.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: Tortoise is alive, and the tortoise starts walking across the desk, and the guy the guy's like, it's brilliant, it's a brilliant idea.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: Just like pan.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_05: You have to look at the sticker.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_05: You gotta look at the tortoise.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, beast is chatty.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: Hi.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: I talking too much.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have to kick you out now.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, beastie.
• 7:06
  unknown: I know.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: I sorry.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: You'll be okay.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of cringe, so the topic for today is probably gonna be more chit-chat than anything because I was sick this week, didn't have a lot of time to research, but I was on threads, and this video, of course, pops up where there's a woman in an airport who picked up a magazine, and she's flipping through it, and it's like a fashion beauty mag, so like your typical uh editorial shoots and then fashion shoot, fashion pictures, and so she's flipping through it, and she says, Yeah, I've picked this up before, went on trips, and so grabbed it again.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: She's flipping through it, she gets to a picture, and she's like, Oh, I wonder, you know, what the photography credit is.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: She looks at it, and the photography credit is an AI prompt because none of the models in the magazine are real anymore.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: And oh my gosh.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, this is such an interesting conundrum for me, where I'm like, I don't, I I have a lot of mixed feelings and mixed opinions about AI.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: On the one hand, I'm like, it's just a tool, like any other tool, and you know, implications, environmental implications, ethical implications aside, like it's just a tool.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Then you get into all the environmental implications and the ethical implications and all kinds of stuff there, and I'm like, yeah, it's not good.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I do use it.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't use it in my creative work, other than for transcription.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: But the main thing that I found just like really interesting was like you have on the one hand AI potentially eliminating like a whole sector of jobs in the beauty industry.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Which is fascinating to me.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then on the other hand, you also have so like what happens when the beauty industry in theory starts to kind of not be as much of a thing because AI is the one generating it.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: But then on the other hand, you have AI, which has been fed all of these beauty standards over the course of time, being the one now that decides what the beauty standard is and making decisions about that.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, there are editors involved, but what happens when AI is the one deciding what the beauty standard is and how that applies?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then also what does it look like to eliminate jobs in the beauty industry?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so I started to think about all of that.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that I have like informed opinions yet.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm still kind of like working through it, but it was really interesting to me that one, this is already happening.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was a theoretical, yeah.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is not a theoretical.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is happening.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I'll link to it.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: You can see what the what the magazine was.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was called the beauty something.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't like a runway magazine, but it was definitely fashion.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was fashion.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_05: Beauty standard.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then the other thing that I found like really I guess kind of weird.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of that uncanny valley sense, is what happens when things in print are no longer real?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: And in the past, it's been like, well, we know that digital stuff isn't real.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: We know that you know that can be manipulated, but now we're in a place where it's like even the things in print are not real, or the things in print are being generated by AI and are not real.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so what does that mean for humanity, I guess, if pretty much everything we consume at some point is not generated by a human.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and of course there's gonna be choice around that because there's gonna be people who staunchly don't use AI.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I don't know.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it would be interesting to kind of have a discussion around that, because one of the things that I was like, huh.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if the beauty industry will have as much clout and influence if it's fake.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: And we all know it's fake, but I'm like, it's already fake.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_05: I I was gonna say, I I see where you're going with this.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_05: It's an extreme of what's already happened with photoshopping everybody's images.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's just a continuation of that, and then the humans themselves are removed.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_05: Like we already know that these celebrities' skin are well, I mean, now with some of the work that some folks have had done, but even still you see them in person versus on the cover of a magazine or in the like in the pages of one, like their skin looks way better because it's been touched up.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_05: And so yeah, I think like think how that's been how much that shapes the never enoughness that the beauty standard perpetuates.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_05: And it's just like just and then continue it on.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_05: There will always be some people that will never be able to get away from they won't be able to separate the fact that, well, this isn't a real human.
• 13:44
  unknown: Right.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_05: I don't and that's what concerns me is because we're gonna have more and more of that, and it's gonna get so normalized that well, all of these photos are based on humans, like that's what taught all the machines, like this is what they based everybody on is machine image or actual human images, and that's yeah, that's one of the concerns I have is like it's gonna be like a eh, whatever.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like we know it's all fake, but we still try to conform anyway, because that's what we did with Photoshop.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: And an interesting example of this.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: How old do you think Tilda Swinton is?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know who Tilda Swinton is.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, maybe I do.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_05: I just don't know names.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, hold on.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pulling up a picture.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_05: Also, what was Uncanny Valley?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uncanny Valley is this concept that if you it's it's like you know something is wrong with it, but you can't really tell what's wrong with it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_05: When things look almost but not quite human and then they feel like weird.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_05: Like you get kinda you get an ick from it.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_05: But you can't quite pinpoint why.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay, yes.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, how old do I think she is?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Don't look at the birthday.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not looking.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I mean, I would say 30s.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_05: Ha I mean I know I mean is she fifties?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: She is 65.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: She has fantastic jeans.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: But you would never know it if you didn't see her fingers.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: And this is not a criticism, like her cross fears.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, because her forehead wrinkles, her nasal labial folds, her like all of it.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_05: So um, and this is a lot of- And the labial folds are just the nasal labial folds are not they're like at the corner of your smile.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, you have not to get into the facial structure of someone who from someone who works in the aesthetics industry right now.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_05: I was gonna say we have someone that knows what that's about.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so your nasal labial folds are the creases from the corner of your nose down to basically the corner of your mouth where your cheeks kind of end and your lips begin.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of people tend to get filler to fill those in so that they're not as deep.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um okay, gotcha.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: You can get rid of it.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_05: So they get filler in the like the wrinkles there.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like in that in that big crease, yeah.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, okay.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_05: Um but that's not why some folks their cheekbones are overpronounced because they've probably had filler in their cheekbones too.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_05: Or up at their cheekbones.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_05: Or just a facelift.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Or a facelift, one or the other.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um the other thing, so like Tilda Swinton does not look like she's had work done, which kudos to her.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um she's been in the business for what, 30 years, 40 years at this point.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um trying to think of the first movie she was like really well known for.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but like, she looks like she's 65.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she looks like she's 65.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um now what I also find really interesting is if you look at the editorial photos of her.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: She looks like she's 30.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so I th I find that fascinating because what AI is going to likely target is not the raw unedited versions because most of what's online is edited.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so, um, and Tilda Swinton's just an example of someone who recently came to mind of like, holy crap, she's 65.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: No idea.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: No idea.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because most of the photos that you see of her are not uh like they don't show her cross feet, they don't show her forehead wrinkles, they don't show her under eye bags, they don't show any of that.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And she takes care of her skin, but she's not she doesn't know the skin of a 30-year-old woman.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um so and I think that part of what I find really interesting about the content that AI has access to is the content that AI has access to is what humans have fed it.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, which largely is airbrushed, edited, um, not to mention the work that people have had done on top of all of that, too.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_05: All it's receiving is unrealistic beauty standards.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_05: Like things that are unrealistic for like 95% of the population or more.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_05: Like, yeah.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_05: So then, of course, what it produces is gonna be aligned with that, and then probably exaggerated too.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_05: And it just because AI can do that.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_05: Now that's where like the editors come into play of like, this person doesn't really look like a person, or they have five and a half fingers, and maybe we should fix that.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_05: But like, I mean, can you read the prompts?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_05: Like, do you have that in front of you?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_05: I can see if I can uh because the prompt was very specific and just really disgusted me.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_05: Let me look.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pulling it up.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then it cuts off face skin, subtle filler enhancements in cheeks and lips.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, that one's good too.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_05: I was thinking about the other one where it was like long, elegant lines or something like that, but that too also is like sort of subtle filler, slightly enhanced, and like, ugh.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because like there are people who genuinely get I mean, it's a phenomenon.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Again, someone who works in the aesthetics industry.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um there are people who get like legitimate filler blindness and they just keep getting it, and it's it's a form of body dysmorphia.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um most people don't want to look that way.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Most people want a subtle enhancement, and so we are feeding the prompt what we want people to want.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Which is again, like we want subtle filler in your lips and cheeks.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: We want subtle filler in your uh I don't remember what.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is called your skull creases, if those are visible.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um basically like the divot in your forehead where your orbital socket starts up here along your temple.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um some people like to get that filled in.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so it's just really, I was like, hmm, subtle filler.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like we want people to want subtle filler.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Which for those of you that don't know, and this is just like the truth of it, filler costs about anywhere from eight hundred dollars for a syringe to if you wanted to actually get your full face done, to about three thousand dollars a year.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_05: Whew, oh my gosh.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're like filler, filler's not that big of a deal if you just get your lips done.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you're just like getting a little bit in your cheeks, um like sure, and it's not it's not cheap.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: So the other thing that we're also teaching people to want is something that is well and above what the majority of the population can afford.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, just another luxury item that you're supposed to want.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_05: And then you not only like not only are you maybe disappointed if you can't have it, then you are punished by society because it's all about aging.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_05: And aging women, unfortunately, are just erased in culture.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like you just become invisible.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_05: And so then it's like a one-two punch.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_05: You have like the self-confidence hit, and then the disappointment of like, oh, I can't have the thing I want.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_05: And then yeah, you get there's ageism everywhere in everything.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_05: So it sucks.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: It does, it does suck.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: It does make me kind of want to start a magazine though, with just like the most ridiculous prompts of like, and put them all in there too.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like say, like this is the prompt.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: What's interesting to me though is like they put the prompt in there.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I was surprised.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_05: I was surprised they did.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, normally, I guess normally they'd have to credit the model and the photographer, and so it would be weird not to, but then just to like that's like when I was in grad school, that'd be like people turning in their their reports and they just like copy and paste a Wikipedia page.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, no, that's not a good source.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I would have rather you like I guess yay, you didn't plagiarize, but this is the worst source.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 24:56
  unknown: Oh no.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_05: But that's what that felt like.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, okay, yay, you gave credit to chat GPT, Claude.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what gross.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_05: Gross.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Which is then I was just like, that's weird.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's a weird thing to do.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I guess it would be interesting though, if you like, which you can do this now too, because Photoshop has this, is like you feed the actual photo of the model into Photoshop and then said, like, I want it to look as though she's had subtle filler and subtle in her lips and cheeks, but it doesn't appear that that's what they did.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's no model or photographer credit.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_05: Nope.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_05: Nope.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_05: Not what she not what that gal showed on the page.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_05: And like that goes into the whole job, like the whole economy of fashion modeling.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_05: Because yeah, you may still like designers, well, in theory, designers are still gonna design for people at some point.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you still have to at some point make the clothing.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_05: Although I guess you don't have to, you could just have digital AI models, but then it's like, well, how does New York Fashion Week change?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_05: Because I think that was happening either last week or this week.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so well done on the timing of the topic.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_05: But like planned it.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Totally did not plan it.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was like well done.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: New York Fashion Week?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's still a thing.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yep.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but yeah, it just it's crazy to me.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_05: Although maybe that's in the spring, whatever.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, it just because I'm like, okay, just think about that photo shoot.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_05: No model, no photographer, no equipment, rentals or owning.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_05: Like they could offload the equipment, which in theory, okay, cheaper.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_05: But then what about all the production assistants?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: And then you think about the makeup and the stylists, um just from there, and then on and on it goes.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_05: Like, if we suddenly don't need all of those people, then what's happening to them?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's the gal in the in the clip brought up photographers, but like you were talking about the models, and I'm like, yeah, and then everything that goes into a chute, and then everything that goes into live.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and we already know that like the clothes that the models are wearing, most most people cannot either wear or afford.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_05: And so like those are the trend setting things that trickle down through the economy.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_05: So like we know how we end up with that cerulean sweater, cable knit sweater.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_05: Uh-uh.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_05: Have you?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, not yet.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's on my list.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_05: I wasn't super excited.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_05: I liked where the last one ended.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_05: Like, just leave it be.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: I am mostly just curious because Meryl Streep's character is apparently in hot water.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like she hasn't been able to keep up with something, the trends or whatever.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so part of the I think part of the plot.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Part of the plot, I think, is that like she comes back to help get the magazine back on track.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Which then there's like a tension there between those two, because it's Andy versus what's her face, and like they're trying to sort it out.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: But mostly I'm just here for Stanley 2G.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Let's be real.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I love Stanley 2G.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_05: He's so great.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_05: You oh, and Julie and Julia.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_05: He was so awesome.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, you're just the sweetest human.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_05: But then what was that creepy movie where he played that like pedophile and killer child serial killer?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_05: The bone something.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it was disturbing.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_05: It was real disturbing.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_05: I remember watching that and was like, well, that's disappointing.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_05: It took a long time to be able to watch anything with him in it again.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, let me check.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I felt watching.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what is his name?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to look it up.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_05: The Lovely Bones, that's what it was.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, no, he gross in that.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what was the show where Steve Carell gets kidnapped by a serial killer and thrown in the basement?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: Hold on.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_04: What?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I have not seen this.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: You probably shouldn't.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because I watched Lovely Bones.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_05: That came out in 2009, and I would have watched that with my grad school boyfriend, because he loved that, those all the horror thriller movies.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Dominal Gleason, who played in the Harry Potter movies, he was the eldest Weasley who trained dragons.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Which I'm like, as someone who loves redheads, I'm like, I've always had a crush on Dominal Gleason.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: But in this show, he plays a serial killer who locks Steve Carell in the basement and then inevitably murders him.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Steve Carell is his therapist, right?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_05: I remember seeing the trailer for that.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, alright, Steve, you can do it.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: You can somehow convince this dude not to murder you this whole time.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like ten episodes.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then you get to the last episode and it's like, this is not going to end well.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_05: There is no way for him to escape.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_05: We don't we don't have enough plot time left.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is not gonna make it out of this, out of this, and sure enough, he does not, and he is also buried in the basement.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: So Oh god.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_05: Well, yeah.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_05: There you have it.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_05: There you have it.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_05: Did you ever watch The Beast in Me?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: What is this?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, it's so good.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um, it's with Claire Danes, it's on Netflix, and it's about a Pulitzer Prize-winning author, and she starts to write a book about her new neighbor who was whose wife like went missing and they never found her.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_05: And it is Fantastic.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_05: So good.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_05: It's not gory.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_05: Well, there's a couple spots that are gory.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_05: I just I don't look, I don't look at the TV then.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um but it's it's good.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's not horror.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_05: It's definitely a thriller though.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_05: But fantastic.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_05: Fantastic.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, alright.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's probably the most intense show I've watched in the last like decade.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_05: Aside from The Last of Us.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: I tried to go back and watch Breaking Bad because I was like, I loved this show, it's so good.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Got to the season got to the episode in season one with Crazy Eight in the basement.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh can't!
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_05: I can't do it.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_05: Mm-hmm.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I was the same with Ozark.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_05: I tried, there's like a I think a fourth and a fifth season of Ozark, and I had let it, I had I didn't watch the fourth one like when it came out, or whatever the second to last one was, and then another one came out, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna, I could not, mm-mm.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, nope, it's too intense, it's too there are bodies sitting in barrels with chemicals, and nope, nope, not doing that.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_05: So I was disappointed.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, well, I'll never I guess I could just go read the end somewhere.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, well, never know how it ends.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_05: That's just not the same.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the same, it's not the same.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's like somehow I made it through Last of Us, and I'm like, nope, not doing that again.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_05: Well, and that like I didn't watch half of it.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_05: Because just the imagery is so when the zombies are and I'm like, I don't, I don't need that in my head.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_05: My anxiety at nighttime doesn't need anything else fueling fueling it.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:33
  unknown: Yeah.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: What else did I try to watch recently?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, nope.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: But then I can like watch a British crime procedural all day long, every day.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, nah, that's fine.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_05: Well the accents make it better.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's it.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_05: I am.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_05: I do wonder though, because at one point I had read some about it and then I promptly forgot it.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, but like, why women are so into crime dramas, crime podcasts.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's an anxiety management thing.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like you get murdered if you know about it.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like if you know how to either escape or like that somebody's out there doing it.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_05: But I can't.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_05: I felt like there was more.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, I'll have to look that up sometime.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_05: That story went nowhere.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to think.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those don't bother me.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I could listen to those all day long.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a weird thing because like in college, I took a forensic science class as my like science credit, because I was like, I don't want to take by I was like, if I have to do a lab, right, then I will I want it to be fun.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Which this was fun.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like we did we like took casts of footprints and shoe prints and we we did like a whole murder investigation for our final.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was the final.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: We had a murder house that we had to like investigate.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was great.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um because that was off site, right?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_05: Like off-campus.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it was like off campus, but yeah.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but still, I'm just like, it wasn't just in the lab, and the lab got transformed into a they like owned a house and let him borrow it to set all this up.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's fake blood everywhere.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: We had to like measure cast off and find the murder weapon and come up with a motive theory and all this stuff.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, it was really cool.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: But like in that class, we had to read a true crime book.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and do a report on a murder.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so I picked John Wayne Gacy, because why not?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's fine.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was somehow okay.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't bother me, but it's like last of us can't handle it.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fogus that could infect you?
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Nah.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_05: Nope.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_05: Nope.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_05: Well, yeah, because I mean there are what I just heard the percentage yesterday.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's like 91 or 92% of us will will uh not we will die from like a disease or some like slowly kind of over time just getting closer and closer to the grave.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the aging process or disease.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_05: Only like eight or nine percent of us will die from some acute like accident or serial killer or something like that, or depending on where you live, violence.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: Murder.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: All of the possibilities.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: All the possibilities, obviously.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_05: There are so many ways I could go that I'm not gonna go.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's a gratitude practice.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe that's what it actually is.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I am so grateful I'm probably not gonna die that way.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not gonna get murdered.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: It could happen, but probably not.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: It could happen.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_05: Although that's our that's our privilege speaking for us, but yeah.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, oh that yeah.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, uh, gratitude.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: It is interesting, like, okay, back to the topic of AI.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Was it CBS?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Some production studio, channel, whatever, network announced a feature-length movie with an AI main character.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_06: What?
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Recently.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, is that no googling it?
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_05: Wasn't all of the music from um demon hunters, wasn't all of that AI created?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_05: That's good.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Real humans singing it.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_05: But was the music all written by AI?
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_05: Got it.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_05: That was one of the reasons I didn't watch it for so long, because I was like, I think it was like all the music was written by AI.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_05: I thought the entire movie was written by AI.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so that was just my misunderstanding.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, it's just coming up with you can create your K pop demon hunter character with AI.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, I'm good.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_05: No thanks.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_05: I'm good.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, anyway, CBS.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Was it CBS?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, I'm not gonna be able to find it.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_05: Feature length.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, here we go.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_05: Tilly Norwood.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: Is it gonna be Is this gonna be what?
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_05: Uh illustrated, drawn, cartoon.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_05: Is it gonna be a good like cartoon?
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_05: No, I think it's like so she's just gonna be like CGI'd in.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think so, yeah.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_05: Disgusting.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing too is like looking at all these pictures of Tilly, which we'll link to an article a bit, she doesn't look real.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: I got in that kind of uncanny valley, like, she's real enough, but not real enough to be real.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_05: It's like oh, and it's coming from a a studio that describes itself as an AI first and AI hybrid developer of movies and TV programming.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_05: Norwood, who is not a sentient being, will take the lead.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_05: Gross.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the other thing.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_05: Two thousand, two thousand iterations of the AI tool.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_05: That's we do not need we do not need AI actors.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like, come on.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_05: That's killing the grass.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_05: And or the water, the planet, not the grass.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_05: Although, yes, it is, it's hot.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's cooking, it's cooking the grass.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: The grass is pretty crunchy right now.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Feels like the grass is taking a hit.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we've got we're in moderate drought now, right?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_05: I think that was the last thing I saw from Nash severe weather.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're in moderate drought.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's my favorite hot and crunchy season.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yay.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_05: It's the and it's you don't even have Bermuda grass that is supposed to die like that.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_05: I have like And certainly not over the summer.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: Grass grass.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_05: Actual grass.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_05: I have a patio and forty some houseplants.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's how many I had last I counted.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of houseplants.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_05: It is.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_05: They need a lot of water.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_05: They're quite thirsty.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Also killing the planet.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just kidding.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: You and your houseplant killing the planet one plant at a time.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_05: Single-handedly.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_05: We are responsible.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the data centers.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's the houseplants that Lauren has.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_05: It's the houseplants and trying to keep them watered.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, obviously.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh the that is that is one of the things that whenever we get, I feel like all of these topics will just have to be like, we'll have to do bits and pieces of it.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_05: Because the same, like I'm the same with AI.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_05: There, there are things at work that I use it for, but in general, I try not to use it.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_05: But I also know it's in a bunch of the products that I already use and has been for years.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like AI is brand new, but the degree to which it is being used.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_05: And then the security implications and all that.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, I feel like this is gonna be an ongoing topic.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_05: But same with like global warming and climate change.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_05: And now I've forgotten where I was going with that.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_05: So oh well.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_05: AI.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_05: And other Yeah, it wasn't AI.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_05: It was It was something about one of the one of the feelings I had about climate change, drought.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_05: Oh well, whatever.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_05: Paramentapos at its finest.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_05: Woo!
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: Woo!
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_05: I'll remember later tonight.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_05: That happened in that coaching session uh a few weeks ago.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_05: I was in the middle of trying to tell her what I needed help with.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I was giving some of the context, and then I was just like, but now I don't know what I actually need help with.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_05: It's gone.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_05: It came back like five minutes later.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well at least she gets it.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: At least she gets it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yes.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_05: Oh so bad.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_05: Well right.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: What is a good thing for the week?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_05: I'm really annoyed though because I'm like, that was something it was related to climate change.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I just remembered.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_05: There it is.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_05: It is the onus of climate change.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_05: Like, here's the action you take, and it's on all of these individuals to recycle your plastic bags or um like all of these small things.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_05: Uh you know, yes, limiting single-use plastic is helpful.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_05: Also, like unless we all do it, that's not going to make a massive difference.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_05: Like the things that need to change have to happen at a bigger, higher level to make significant impact.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_05: And the fact that like individuals get quote unquote blamed for not making big changes.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_05: And it's like, no, it's it's not really the individuals, it's corporations.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like those are the biggest um bad guys when it comes to climate change.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_05: And then government policy, which impacts what corporations do and don't do, and all of that.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_05: Also, the US is definitely the worst um when it comes to worse.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and getting worse.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_05: But anyway, that's a whole that's a whole other soapbox that I don't need to get on right now.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: But if you want to get connected, learn more, go listen to Seen On Radio.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_05: Like S C E N E, right?
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_05: I'll put a link in that S E E N notes.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Season seven Episode nine.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: The tipping point.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um because we knew that this was going to happen.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Since nineteen seventy-two.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's been a long time coming.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_05: So scientists have been watching watching the data for decades.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_05: Decades.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_05: Decades.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so what's your good thing?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, what is my good thing?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_05: Oh no, I didn't plan for this.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_05: It can't just be I had crema coffee.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_05: Because I feel like that was my good thing last time or the time before.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_05: Because I was like, I'm gonna get crema coffee.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um, oh, I got new fidget toys.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 47:08
  unknown: Oh.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_05: They are specs and they are textured and they're like a bouncy ball and magnet, so they magnetize and stick together, but it's not a super strong magnet.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_05: And then if you bounce them, they respond appropriately and fly across the room.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_06: If you bounce them, they bounce.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_05: They do what physics predicts.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_05: But it's nice because then they like they click together with the magnet without the the metallic clang and like disruption of the loud.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like I don't even know if you can.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, like that's me like smacking it together right at the microphone.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_05: But like I can have it down next to me and it's not.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it doesn't sound like I'm carrying a tool bag or something.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, also, I found out the library has all kinds of things that you can borrow.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_05: Like sewing machines and a set of tools and a drill and a laser level the other day, board games, like they have so much stuff I didn't realize.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_05: And like tons of it was not checked out.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, ugh, next time I need a tool, I'm stopping there first instead of like library.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_05: They care about people through the front door.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_05: So just walk in, go to the bathroom, and leave if you have to.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: Our Nashville Public Library is amazing.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: If you are in Nashville and you don't have a library card, go get one.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: Go get one.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's the bag.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Do it, do it.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: Telling you.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh let's see.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: What's your good thing?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is I had forgotten that I had a bunch of prints tucked behind my curtain.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: I closed my curtains during the summer, but it's sort of full now.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I found my You were created to do good work print from Daniel Belfur.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm pulling this out.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm putting it in a frame, and I'm putting it on my desk so I can see it.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_05: Love this.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I did today.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's my good thing.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I cleaned my office.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's impressive.
• 49:28
  unknown: Jeez.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's fair.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_05: That's fair.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Lauren, where can they find you on the internet?
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_05: You can learn about uh the death work that I do, death education and care, at LaurenMHight.com.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_05: H-I-G-H-T.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_05: That's what that is.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_05: And also about career change and other systems offerings that I have.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_05: What about you, Anna?
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_05: Where can they find you?
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: You can find me at Anashmunk.com, S-C-H-M-U-N-K.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: All the consonants.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, or you can learn more about spiritual direction.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: I have a workshop coming up that I will send an email about.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: You can sign up for my newsletter, all the good things.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, what's your what's your uh workshop about?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: Workshop.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: It is going to be planning your self-care for fall.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have ever gotten to the end of a long day and you're like, I know I need to do something other than Doom Scroll, but I am too much of a zombie to figure it out right now.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna give you a framework for how to think about self-care.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna come with a fun zine to map out a menu of self-care options, and we're gonna work through it together.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: So please come.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to see you there.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_05: That sounds amazing.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's not live on my website yet, but it will be next week.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_05: That's so cool.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_05: Is it online?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_05: Did you say that already?
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_05: Or it will be online.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the workshop will be online.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, cool.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_05: Virtual.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_05: Virtual workshop.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_05: And for people that don't know, zines are literally just tiny little magazines, usually produced by an individual.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_05: Like drawn, produced, printed by an individual.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_05: I've had people ask me that before.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, oh, I just got a zine.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_05: They're like, what's a zine?
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, ee, they're itty bitty magazines.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_05: They can be as itty bitty as you want them, or as big as you want them.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_05: They're great.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_05: Cool.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_05: Well, we will I'll have to check that out because that sounds awesome.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's always my problem.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_05: I I do that with food.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_05: I do that with like, how should I use my time?
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_05: I get to, I'm like, I have two hours tonight, and I'm like, I don't know what to do with it.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_05: Having something already set up would be good.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I will be on the couch, scrolling on my phone, watching my comfort show for the 50th time.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_05: Also an option.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_05: Like Mary Beth says, we have choices.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_05: Sometimes.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: Choices.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: You have choices.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Mary Beth.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I don't like any of the choices right now that I have.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm gonna choose something else.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_05: Or I'm gonna choose not to choose.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: I do that a lot.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: Lay here like a zombie on the floor.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_05: Perfect.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_05: Well, happy Saturday.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_05: Have a good one.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Happy Saturday.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: Till next time.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_05: Bye.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_05: Bye.