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Episode 30: The Malfoy Family · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode thirty of Ravellio for October sixteenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I'm Amy, I'm Nicole, Episode thirty. Love
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  Speaker 1: a good round number.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, thirty is crazy, that's all wise.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, rebellue entering, it's thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Jeez, soon it's back. It's going to start hurting. The
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  Speaker 2: joints going to start cracking. It's squeaky.
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  Speaker 1: Is that why our microphones are breaking down?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've entered middle age? Yeah, yes, thank you to
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  Speaker 2: everyone who has stuck with us through the last thirty episodes.
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  Speaker 2: And if you've not, go back and start over. And
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  Speaker 2: that's right, listen through so well, in this thirtieth episode
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  Speaker 2: of ours, we're going to be discussing the history of
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  Speaker 2: the Malfoy family. But first.
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  Speaker 1: Listening to w W in the Wizarding Wireless Network, No
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  Speaker 1: for the latest headlines. All right, so not a ton
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  Speaker 1: of news this episode, but that's okay because we have
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  Speaker 1: a nice main discussion ready for us. But a couple
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  Speaker 1: things here real quick. The cover artwork has been revealed
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  Speaker 1: for the full cast audio editions from Audible. All seven
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  Speaker 1: covers have been released, and there's an article from Harry
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  Speaker 1: Potter Dot com that shows all of these covers, and
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  Speaker 1: it actually points out something interesting, which is that each
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  Speaker 1: one features a moment of reflection within the scene being depicted.
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  Speaker 1: So I went through and I pulled out what the
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  Speaker 1: reflections are in each of these in case you haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen them, but I recommend looking at them because they
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  Speaker 1: are interesting in some of the choices of scenes that
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  Speaker 1: they chose to highlight. So for the Philosopher's Stone, the
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  Speaker 1: reflection is of Hogwarts in the water. For Chamber of Secrets,
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  Speaker 1: we've got Harry reflected in the surface of the Golden
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  Speaker 1: Snitch as he's about to catch it. For Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry, Hermione,
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  Speaker 1: and buck Beek are reflected in the window of the
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  Speaker 1: tower as they free serious. In Goblet of Fire, Tom
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  Speaker 1: Riddle's gravestone is reflected in the Triwizard cup port key.
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  Speaker 1: I like this one. I think that one's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: In the Order of the Phoenix, the Dumbledore and Valtimore
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  Speaker 1: duel is reflected in Harry's glasses. In Half Bloodprints reflections
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  Speaker 1: in the metal orb thing imagig that's on the top
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  Speaker 1: of the Astronomy Tower. We've got the dark mark on
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  Speaker 1: one side of that and then I think it's either
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be Draco or Snape reflected in the other
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  Speaker 1: part of it. I think that's what I'm leaning towards. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then Deathly Hallows the death Eaters are reflected in
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  Speaker 1: the shield of one of the Hogwarts deuice of armor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, these are really cool. I really like the idea
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  Speaker 2: of like this reflection that carries between them. It's funny
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  Speaker 2: because one of the first things I saw about these
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of people commenting on how it looked
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  Speaker 2: like Harry aged like a lot of years from Philosopher's
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  Speaker 2: Stone toach other And then now I can't unsee it,
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  Speaker 2: so thank you to people on the internet we're saying that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, I think these are really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like the because I saw them, but
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  Speaker 3: I never thought of it. I never read the part
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  Speaker 3: of it being a reflection, But now that I see it,
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  Speaker 3: it like makes total sense, and they're really really nice.
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  Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't mind having book editions with these covers actually, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that would be also kind of interesting to see.
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  Speaker 1: I really like the Prisoner of Azkaban one as well.
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  Speaker 1: The window. I think that's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny that you said that because I was just
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  Speaker 2: scrolling through them to like just look at them again,
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  Speaker 2: and I just stopped at the Prisoner of Azkaban one.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, Wow, that one's really cool. And you
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  Speaker 2: said it because you know, you and I continue to
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  Speaker 2: morph into the same person, Amy, our nail matches. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we are. For those of you that can't see if
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  Speaker 2: unless Amy makes this, you know a little video clip, Well,
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  Speaker 2: Amy and I are a little well, all three of
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  Speaker 2: us are in our show Girl, our Showgirl era right now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for all the tailor fans out there. So yeah, sidebar,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, Amy and I are just after a decade of.
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  Speaker 3: Front show Girls, we are just.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are just morphing into the same person.
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  Speaker 1: But at the movie theater yesterday in the same same outfit,
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  Speaker 1: the same exact nail polished orange with the same sparkles
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  Speaker 1: over it.
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  Speaker 2: We had our orange car to get it was just yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're just who we are. Is our favorite our favorite
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  Speaker 2: song on the new album is the same. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we're getting into a tailor here.
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  Speaker 3: Back to the huffuf and sin.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, like to be fair, though, I think
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  Speaker 2: hufflepuffs and Slytherins make some of the best of friends,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people have said that because it's
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  Speaker 2: there's just something about the call the qualities. There isn't
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  Speaker 2: like tension I think between them, there isn't like a
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  Speaker 2: conflicting anything. There's the loyalty on both sides.
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  Speaker 3: Like mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: This, I mean, we've talked before that we need to
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  Speaker 2: talk about houses even more than we have, but that's
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  Speaker 2: something that possibly be a future, but we should now.
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  Speaker 2: This cover is very cool. I do love like the
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  Speaker 2: purple undertones. I love how serious looks. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: always about serious my favorite characters. I'm always excited to
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  Speaker 2: see him. But I just like how he looks in this,
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  Speaker 2: And I.
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  Speaker 1: Like that Hermione is like getting a little moment on
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  Speaker 1: a cover like that's.
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  Speaker 2: And Harry's in the back and he's kind of it's
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  Speaker 2: not bright around him, he's just kind of yeah. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and I think that's good too, because Hermione
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  Speaker 2: has like such an instrumental role in Prisoner of Azkaman.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah. Interestingly enough, the Spanish editions have Hermione on
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  Speaker 3: the cover. The old editions, like the classic ones, actually
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  Speaker 3: have her in the in the cover.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So this is kind of like a there's actually like
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  Speaker 3: a callback to that. It kind of feels like callback
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  Speaker 3: because they're writing Buckbeak too, and it's really pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool, but yeah, I do I looking at
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  Speaker 2: this the Goblet of Fire one too. It looks like
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  Speaker 2: there's a blast ended screw up in the corner next
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  Speaker 2: to Harry Potter, which that's kind of cool. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I really like what you said to me about the
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  Speaker 2: reflection of the I didn't even to be fair like, actually,
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  Speaker 2: when I first saw these and I scrolled through them quick,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even take the time to like really sit
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  Speaker 2: and look at all those details. Yeah, that order the
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  Speaker 2: Phoenix cover might be my favorite though.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: But the half Food Prints one I also love.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, so all really good. They're all super pretty. I'd
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  Speaker 3: say maybe my least favorite, if I had to say one.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely hollows. Not because it's bad, but I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: there's something about like, I don't know, do.
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  Speaker 2: You think they could have put maybe a better moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the reflection for sure, for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It took me a long time of staring at this
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  Speaker 1: to figure out that it was McGonagall.
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  Speaker 2: Mm. Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, who is this not?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all yeah, but now it makes sense with
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  Speaker 2: having all the soldiers in the back and that moment
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  Speaker 2: you know, of her using the spell, which is obviously
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  Speaker 2: one of my that's actually one of my favorite scenes
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  Speaker 2: in the film. So I kind of like that it's
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  Speaker 2: reflected here. But I agree with you, Tom, I think
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  Speaker 2: maybe they could have chosen a better image for this one.
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  Speaker 2: But look at Magodagall getting her moment on a cover. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so that makes me like it. But yeah, these are
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  Speaker 2: cool and I just guys know me, I'm so excited
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  Speaker 2: about these and so this just makes me even excited
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  Speaker 2: at having my audible app So.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. So then the other bit of news
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  Speaker 1: that I saw is the Christmas merch is already out
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  Speaker 1: at Universal Orlando, and the theme this year is Christmas
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  Speaker 1: at Hogwarts and Deck the Great Hall, which a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago they did put out Deck the Great Hall stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I have a Spirit jersey from that, so we're kind
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  Speaker 1: of recycling a theme a little bit, but there's still
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  Speaker 1: work stuff. Yeah, there's a new Spirit jersey, there's a
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  Speaker 1: T shirt, there's like a cardigan sweater, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: few other items. As well, mh and it's all different
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  Speaker 1: from the stuff that's like at the Harry Potter New
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  Speaker 1: York store. So I do like that they do different collections,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Fun mm hmm. Brings more to the table too. I
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  Speaker 3: saw the collection for Christmas at the studio tour and
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  Speaker 3: it was beautiful. There's just so much to pick from.
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  Speaker 3: It's just you get a little overwhelmed because there's just
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  Speaker 3: so much to see and it makes it hard for
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  Speaker 3: you to pick one of them because you just want
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  Speaker 3: to take it all. But it's so good, Like I
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  Speaker 3: love Christmas season, so like all of these like collections
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  Speaker 3: and just really resonate with me because I just love
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  Speaker 3: this this season so much and I'm planning on getting
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  Speaker 3: some of them.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, gay Christmas, let's get through Halloween first.
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  Speaker 3: Christmas priorities.
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  Speaker 2: I actually was in Low's today and with my boyfriends, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't really need anything at Lows, but.
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  Speaker 1: But you're do some home improvement stuff.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, but it was very much like we
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  Speaker 2: walked in and they had just like their direct decorations
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  Speaker 2: are actually really insane there. They're very pricey, but they
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  Speaker 2: just had all of this like Halloween stuff and then
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  Speaker 2: like right next to it was just all the Christmas
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  Speaker 2: trees and all the Christmas and it just felt very
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  Speaker 2: like polarizing. But yeah, we're in that time. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited to see it because I actually am still upset
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  Speaker 2: that I didn't get the prior deck the Great Hall
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  Speaker 2: Spirit jersey. That'll forever be a upset. I didn't get
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  Speaker 2: that kind of moment for me, and I don't love
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  Speaker 2: this Year's as much as I liked the years past,
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  Speaker 2: but to see maybe there'll be something at Harry Potter
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  Speaker 2: New York that I will like, because yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have any Christmas Hary Potter stuff, which is kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So that's all the news for this episode.
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  Speaker 2: So for our main discussion, I was actually thinking that
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of funny because every time that I've led
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  Speaker 2: the main discussion, it's always been about like a darker topic,
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  Speaker 2: which is I just thought that was funny, which I
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  Speaker 2: guess it makes sense is the residents father and right,
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  Speaker 2: I think we also talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Your dark arts. Tom has his like filmmaking stuff. We've
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  Speaker 1: all got our little ditch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Amy takes the rest like a cheruffle poff.
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  Speaker 1: Take them all.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so today we thought it would be really
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  Speaker 2: cool to talk about like the history of the Malfoy family.
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  Speaker 2: And we really definitely want to do like character deep
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  Speaker 2: dive episodes like into you know, individual Malflay characters, especially
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  Speaker 2: like Draco. I think there's so much to talk about there.
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  Speaker 2: But this one we thought it would be cool to
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  Speaker 2: kind of talk about like the history of the family
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  Speaker 2: because I think you know, how many people, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're listening, like, have you ever like thought of
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  Speaker 2: the history of the family or how they got to
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  Speaker 2: where they are. And we've learned a lot about their
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  Speaker 2: family through the original Potter Moore writings that are now
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  Speaker 2: in the Wizarding Archive, and there is a lot of
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  Speaker 2: information there and a lot of things that was planned
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  Speaker 2: out about the family, even though they're not our main
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  Speaker 2: family in the in the series right like they are,
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  Speaker 2: but like compared to I think like the Potters and
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  Speaker 2: the Weasleys and stuff, I think we focus a lot
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  Speaker 2: on Draco and stuff and maybe not so much about
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  Speaker 2: what came before. And you know, so thought that we
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  Speaker 2: would kind of take a little you know, stroll through
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  Speaker 2: the early history the you know, more recent history with
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  Speaker 2: the family and kind of with where we're kind of
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  Speaker 2: at present day with the family, but to kind of
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  Speaker 2: like set the stage because you know, we love etymology
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  Speaker 2: here and we'll have a little bit more coming towards
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  Speaker 2: the end of the episode. But I thought that this
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  Speaker 2: was a good way to kind of set the stage
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  Speaker 2: for like what the family is all about. Right, So
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  Speaker 2: the Melfoy name comes from Old French and it translates
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  Speaker 2: as bad faith, which I think as we kind of
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  Speaker 2: talk through the history, makes a lot of sense how
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  Speaker 2: they could be referred to as just kind of bad faith.
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  Speaker 1: Right when you said bad, this is how fried my
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  Speaker 1: brain is.
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  Speaker 2: I know that, like.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor's got us all, I'm never going to be normal again.
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  Speaker 5: I've had a lot to be normal though. It's funny
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  Speaker 5: because as soon as you said that, right I started
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  Speaker 5: thinking it, I knew exactly where you were going. We
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  Speaker 5: can never again say the word bad and have any
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  Speaker 5: other word after it.
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  Speaker 1: It just has to be my brain has been reprogrammed.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well yeah, so bad faith, yes, bad faith.
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  Speaker 1: If anyone else is struggling with, you know, not thinking
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  Speaker 1: in Taylor swift lyrics, bad faith.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, bad, bad faith, bad and yes sorry, there's there's
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  Speaker 2: probably gonna be maybe some other tailor references they come
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  Speaker 2: up here. It's just it's on our brain right now,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So well, I'm just I don't have any
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  Speaker 2: planned in here, Tom, but I just feel like we're
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  Speaker 2: going to naturally go there. Yeah, yeah, because we are.
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  Speaker 2: We are recording this episode. We hadn't mentioned this, but
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  Speaker 2: we're recording this episode a week earlier than we normally
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  Speaker 2: would for some scheduling purposes, because you know, Amy's gallivanting
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  Speaker 2: off to or Orlando next week, and as she meant,
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  Speaker 2: and so we're recording this two days off of the
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  Speaker 2: new album. And we're all swifties here, so sorry, not sorry,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah. So the Malhoy family, of course, is one
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  Speaker 2: of the Sacred twenty eight, which was a name given
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  Speaker 2: to a directory of sorts that was published that listed
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  Speaker 2: all of the pure blood families. There's, of course twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight of them. And you know, as we know, several
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  Speaker 2: of the pure blood families in the Sacred twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: are all kind of related to each other in some
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  Speaker 2: way or another because you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, kind of icky.
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  Speaker 2: Well we'll talk about that a little bit later too,
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  Speaker 2: but like very similar to some other other I think
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  Speaker 2: of Game of Thrones a lot with this. I think
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  Speaker 2: the Malfoy's remind as we talk about this, they remind
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  Speaker 2: me a lot of the Lanisters from Game of Thrones
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. And yes, so you've got
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  Speaker 2: these pure blood families, the twenty eight of them. Some
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  Speaker 2: of the other pure blood families that the Malfoys in
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  Speaker 2: particular are related to include a lot of families that
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  Speaker 2: were familiar with so like the Blacks, the Stranges, the
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  Speaker 2: Green Grasses, and the Rosiers, among others. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that one thing that will be you know, very apparent
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  Speaker 2: as we kind of delve into the history of the
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  Speaker 2: family is that their reputation has kind of always been
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  Speaker 2: about this pure blood supremacy and kind of obtaining richness
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  Speaker 2: and power from those around them. Like that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: been theirm O from the very beginning. And I think that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I just said, you know, we're very
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  Speaker 2: familiar with that particular reputation from the Malfoys that we
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  Speaker 2: meet over the course of Harry's story, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: Draco and his immediate family. But as I just said,
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  Speaker 2: like this really has been there from the very beginning
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  Speaker 2: with this family, and so interestingly too. I mean their
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  Speaker 2: family crest pays homage to sales Are Slytherin in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ways. It contains the colors of Slytherin house,
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  Speaker 2: so green and silver, there's also black in there. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of serpent like creatures that are part of
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  Speaker 2: the family crest, and the Latin words sanct ammonia vincent
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  Speaker 2: semper are inscribed on the crest, which translates to purity
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  Speaker 2: will always conquer. Like I said, big deal for them, m.
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  Speaker 1: H literally on their family crest.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, correct, So kind of starting back at the earliest history,
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  Speaker 2: so the wizard Armand Malfoy arrived in Britain with William
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  Speaker 2: the Conqueror as part of the invading Norman army. When
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  Speaker 2: this happened, you know, Armand was given a very prime
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  Speaker 2: piece of land in Wiltshire after he was in service
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  Speaker 2: to King William the First and as noted in the
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  Speaker 2: Wizarding archives and the potomer writings, the services to the
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  Speaker 2: king are unknown, but they're very likely shady and almost
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  Speaker 2: certainly we're magical because we know that he was a
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  Speaker 2: wizard right and so this land in Wiltshire that was
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  Speaker 2: given is where the Malfoy descendants of armand have lived
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  Speaker 2: for several centuries.
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  Speaker 1: So this is where Malfoy Manor is correct.
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  Speaker 2: I believe, yes that they are. Yes, it seems like
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  Speaker 2: it's just really remained in the family from that very beginning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and again our mom Malfoy just had a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the same qualities that we still see in the Malfoy
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  Speaker 2: family today.
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  Speaker 3: It almost feels like royalty in some ways, like passing
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  Speaker 3: on the castle to different generations and well in the
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  Speaker 3: manner and just you know, this pure blood lineage and
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  Speaker 3: kind of like very you know, like it's all very
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  Speaker 3: like you said, coming from a very very old age,
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  Speaker 3: and it just I don't know, it reminds me a
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  Speaker 3: lot of you know, royal families and just all that
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  Speaker 3: thing that comes with it.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting thinking about whatever services he rendered the king
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  Speaker 1: as well, because I mean it's not unheard of for
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  Speaker 1: monarchs to have like a like not spiritual, but what
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  Speaker 1: do you call it, like a like a magician person
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  Speaker 1: that they would like go to, like Queen Elizabeth had
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I forget his name, Oh gosh, what was his name.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I've about him. I don't remember his name, but he
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: was the guy who was like somehow connected to the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Sorcerer's Stone too.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you see that portrayed in like real history as
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: well as in a lot of historical shows. These the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: kings and queens have almost like a.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Brass putin safele right, Like yeah, like royalty consulted people
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: who they thought were.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Like they're magical. But I think in this case he
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: was right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So this kind of goes with that whole thing too,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Like maybe that was like he was kind of that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: person that like the King like called upon when he
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: needed magic favor.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if we have I know we're
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: going to talk a little bit about a couple other
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: notable Malfoys later on, but they've kind of always got
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: involved a little bit with the Muggle royalty at the time,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and Lucius Malfoy the first was an unsuccessful unsuccessfully i'll
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: just say, turned down by Elizabeth the first and he
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: was then accused of casting a jinx on her to
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: force her to stay single. So they kind of have,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: i think, always tried to engage in royalty and I
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: think we'll talk about this a little bit later, but
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: it's also kind of what I mentioned is that something
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that's been very big for their family from the beginning
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: is power, right, and how do you help power and
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: get more help yourself achieve more power or get more
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: power is you try to align yourself with people who
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: are in power.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I just found the guy's name, John d. He was
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the English mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, occultist and alchemists who was
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the core astronomer and advisor to Elizabeth the first. There's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a lot with like alchemy and divination and all that stuff. Yeah, that's.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, they just kind of got themselves right
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: in there. Yeah, with the kings and queens of England,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Britain and you know, kind of the next portion here
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: was wanted to kind of talk about their reputation and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: their focus on pure blood supremacy and also their involvement
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: with muggles, which obviously we just touched on a little bit,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: but it goes, it goes deeper than that. And I
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: think that's very interesting because obviously, right we know now
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: of the Malfoys, we think of the Malfoys as not
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: wanting anything to do with muggles, putting down muggles in
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: any way, even if you're half you know, a half blood,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: you know, we see the way that Draco treats Hermione
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and but they have a very interesting reallylationship with muggles
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: in their history that maybe not everybody realizes. And so
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: like with their I found it very interesting. In the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Wizarding Archive and the Potomer writings, their reputation is referred
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: to as them being a quote unquote slippery bunch and
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: that they, you know, really were trying to court power
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: and riches wherever they were found and real like snakes, yep,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and wherever they were found is true that this also
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: extended to muggles. And so, you know, as we've been mentioning,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: they're very known for their pure blood values and their
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: genuine belief that wizards are superior over muggles. However, the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: family throughout history, especially early history, never shied away from
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: involving themselves with the muggle community wherever and whenever it
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: suited them, and this really came into play them.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: We know, the Malfoy family is one of the richest
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: wizarding family in Britain, and it was rumored that this
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: was very much due to them being able to dabble
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: successfully in muggle currency and muggle assets and kind of
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: get themselves involved in Muggle society amongst other wealthy muggles,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: you know, amongst wealthy Muggles or high class Muggles. And
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: they also were able to add to their lands in
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Wiltshire over the years by annexing the neighboring muggles land.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And so I think that really it's ironic a little bit,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I think, right to think about how anti Muggle they
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: become known to be. But really I think, oh, a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: lot of their success in a financial space to being
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: involved with muggles.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they clearly didn't see themselves as too good
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to be like in service to muggles if they're out
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: here like giving favors to the king or you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: aligning themselves with the wealthy to kind of like get
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: into parties.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I think though, It's like I think that's maybe though,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: where the magical component comes in a little bit though,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: because they're able to obviously manipulate in a way, right,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: like you can kind of because you're magical, you can
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: kind of you know, maybe put your muggle friend or
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the imperious curse and have them do X, Y and
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Z for you, and they're none the wiser about it
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: because they're a Muggle and they don't know what's going on,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and you know, I'm sure that well. And actually that's
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a really good point, is because like, let's not get
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: it twisted here, right, they weren't just friendly with all muggles.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: There was a clear distinction here. They very much from
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the beginning. It wasn't just oh, this smug, I'll talk
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to the smuggle. No, if you were a poor muggle,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you were not in the circle with them as absolutely,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: like you still needed to be a muggle that had
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: wealth and authority.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I think that's where them mingling with muggles comes into play,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: when they were looking not so much power but for wealth.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Because when you think about it, there's when while you
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: were reading this, I was just thinking about Umbrage and
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: how you know she lines in perfectly with those values,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: but she would never get involved with a muggle. Like
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: she was all about power, but I don't know if
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: she was so much about wealth. And I think them
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: for them to be able to achieve that, they had
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: to become involved with them, because they only could obtain
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: so much land by magical means, so to say. So,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's it's really interesting to hear this part
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: how they would actually become quote unquote like friendly with Muggles,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: you know, for their own benefit, not so much for power,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: but for you know, for wealth. So that's really really
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: interesting and seeing these differences that because up until you
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: said all that, I was like, oh, this Lign's in
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: perfectly with Umbridge and snakes and everything, and it's you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: but then you know, when you mentioned this whole part
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: of them just you know, kind of like forming these
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: bonds with with muggles, it's kind of like, Okay, this
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: is very unique to them. It actually gives them like
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: this very particular I don't know, uh, characteristic.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It's very Slytherin ask in a way of like what
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: your motivation is, like I think, which obviously we know
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: on Bridge A is Slytherin as well, but I think
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it's still different. Like I think that it's like I
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: think for them, it's truly this. You know, we want
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: to have riches and we want to be powerful, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: so we're going to align ourselves with people that are
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: in power and people that have money or people that
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: can get us those things. I mean, how much more
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: powerful can you get than to align yourself with the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: King of England, you know, And I think we have
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to remember too, like the Malfoys, you know, are also
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: very Slytherin like, and there's Lytherins, and so there's a
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: lot of intelligence there and cunniness and manipulation and doing
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: what you guess leadership and doing what you need to
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: do to get to a certain place. And so I
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: think that like supremacy and that superiority has always been
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: there for them and was always a big thing. And
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I think that like these Muggles that they did align
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: themselves with, were just like a means to an end,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: which we'll actually talk a little bit about that later
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: in kind of a different aspect. So here's where it
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: gets like really interesting as well, when it comes to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: their relationship with Muggles. Right, So the Stattute of Secrecy
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't become a thing until sixteen ninety two, and so
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: before that, this is when the Malfoy family was very
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: active in those high born Muggo circles because there wasn't
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: anything there to like say, you can't interact with these people.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: And it's also rumored that initially they were actually in
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of opposition to the statute coming out. And
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, of course they would be right because they
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: would have to then stop fraatenizing and associating themselves with
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the high born Muggles, because now there's a law in
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: place that could potentially hinder that.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: So they lose their social standing in.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: That or their access they lose essentially right, their access
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: to things to help their social standing. But what's very
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: interesting about this too, though, is that so right, So
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: they're initially in opposition to this. However, once around this
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: time too, is when you know the Ministry of Magic
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: kind of forms as well, right, and so what is
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the Ministry of magic? Their power, their power in the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: wizarding community. And so naturally, once you've got this Ministry
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: of magic, the Malfoys are like, we need to get
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: in line with the ministry. So they flip the switch,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and then now all of a sudden become very vocally
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: supportive of the Statute of Secret of secrecy and deny
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: that they ever were on speaking terms or other with
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the Muggles.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: So they basically trade in like their connection with Royalty
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: for a connection with the Ministry, which is like the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: closest they could kind of get that like government center
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: that they had prior.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Interesting, right, and if you think about it, I mean,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: having a power entity like the Ministry of Magic would
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: serve them much more than being in these circles with
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: high born Muggles, because the Ministry is within their magical world,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: and so it's very interesting, right, And they're like us,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: associate with those muggles. Never, never, we never did that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: It wasn't me you saw at that party.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: At that ball, that was Yeah, that wasn't me.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: In the corner, I was under the imperious curse, right,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: The vicious Muggles trapped me there and forced me to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: eat the caviar and drink the champagne.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Right. So I think, you know, if the Ministry of
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Magic had never happened, I'm sure the Malfway family would
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: have continued to dabble in the Muggle circles, you know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: regardless of this the stattute. Right. But it's like, okay,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: here's another focus for us. We want to align ourselves
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: with that power. And yeah, they needed to be in
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: good graces right with the Ministry, save their face and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: their reputation. And yeah, so the Ministry of Magic happens,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the Statute of Secrecy happens, and they abruptly changed their
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: stance on fratnizing with the Muggles and being in good
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: graces with the Ministry is exactly what they did. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: due to their wealth, the Malfoys had considerable influence at
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the Ministry, but interestingly, none of them ever wanted the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: role of Minister for Magic and none of them have
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: been in that role. However, again speaking about that wealth,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: is many members of the Malfoy family helped finance the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: election of their preferred candidate, and obviously, being very endowed
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and rich, that probably had quite considerable influence on who
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: ended up being the Minister for Magic. And there's also
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: some rumors that they were paying to have the opposition
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to their preferred candidate hext jinxt who knows what. So
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: maybe they weren't running for Minister for Magic but really
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: had a big role in pulling the strings there and
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: getting the candidate that they supported in role. And there's
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a quote in the Potomer Writings that I think describes
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: really well this you know that whole act, And it
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: said and is often said of the Malfley family that
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you will never find one at the scene of the crime,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: though their fingerprints might be all over the guilty wand
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and so it's kind of similar when you were kind
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: of comparing them to Umbridge earlier. Tom, I think this
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: is where that comparison kind of is aligned. And maybe
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: this is a Slytherin thing, but it's kind of like
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: they want to call the shots and have but they
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: don't want to be the one that does it, right,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It's getting somebody else to do your dirty work.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: For you, Yeah, or the face, which is why I
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: think they don't want to be the face. Yeah, they don't.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe it wasn't so much they didn't want to be
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: minister or magic, but they didn't need it because of
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: all the influence that they had and how they could
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: just make their preferred candidate just you know, get elected
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: ultimately to do to be the face that they didn't
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: want to be, because, like you said, it's kind of
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: like someone else doing your dirty work for you while
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: you're enjoying all of the benefits that that brings.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's exactly it. I think that over the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: course of history, the Malfoy family has very much preferred
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the role of power behind the scenes rather than being
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the face of it. So, yeah, it's the little interest
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit there about how they're kind of I
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: guess their history with Muggles has evolved a little bit.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: And you know, as we know, they're very much about
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the whole pure blood doctrine and way of life, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: so once that statute of secrecy was put into place,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: no Malfoy you know, has married a Muggle or you know,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: a muggle born, and they've really kind of stuck with that.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: But what is interesting here, and this is kind of
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: what I was referring to earlier about their kind of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: use of Muggles and muggle borns, that comes into play
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: again here as well, because something that we talked earlier,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: right about the pure blood families kind of all being
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: related in ways because there's only so many pure bloods,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: right well, there's certain families such as the Gaunts and
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the Lestrange is that dabbled a little bit in the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: practice of intermarrying amongst their family because they're such a
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: small pool of pure bloods. Again, this is also where
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: it reminds me of the Lanisters and Game of Thrones
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and you've got them, you know, But very interestingly, the
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Malfoys avoided that practice. They did not want to intermarry
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: amongst the Malfoys, and the reason for this is actually
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: again show it's very intelligent and correct, is that they
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: recognize that if we inbreed with ourselves, we you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: this potentially could endanger our genes, right, because of everything
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: that can come up about with inbreeding. And they recognize
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: this and recognize that if we start inbreeding amongst ourselves
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and start having genetic conditions or you know, anything like that,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: that could make our family weaker. And so even though
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: they were very much about we need to stay in
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: this pure blood line, they also were like, but we're
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: not going to have kids with our cousins, like like
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the Gaunts and the Strangers. We're doing a smart choice.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: But due to this though, they had to kind of
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: accept that they need to procreate with some half bloods
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: because if they want to keep their family line going,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: but they're not willing to potentially you know, just breed
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: with each other or again their cousins, right, their cousin
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: might not be a Malfoy, but their cousin might be
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: ill a strange and so you know, and so they
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, that's again where they started using
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: people again a little bit to keep their line, their
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: family line and their lineage attack and have to procreate
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: with some half bloods so that they could keep the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: line going. And there are many half bloods that do
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: appear on the Malthway family tree, which again is interesting,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: right because we know that their whole thing is they're
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: not just about against muggles, they're also against half bloods
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: and because of the whole thing of you know, why
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: would you ever mix with a muggle? But the irony
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: of it, right is that they have themselves had to
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: do that in order to keep their family, yeah line going.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But then they're not really pure bloods.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Because I think some of them are. Some It just
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: you have to really analyze the family tree, right and
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: see which branches are what weird because obviously some of
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: them did marry within like think about I will talk
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: about this a little bit more at the end, but
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: think about Draco right marrying and having a child with Astoria,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: who's also part of a pure blood family. So I
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: think some of them did. But I think that there
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: are some half bloods that are mixed in there because
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: there's only so many pure bloods. But I think that's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: exactly the case too, write like, I think you are right, Amy, Like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I think that there's this idea that we're pure bloods
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: because we're part of this family and all of this.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: But there's always going to be if you really look
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: into the family tree and the genealogy, you're going to
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: find in there.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Some I'm sure they like tell themselves, oh, Grandpa Joe,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: who was a half blood. No, he wasn't a half
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: blood really, he was a pure blood, just people thought
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: that his mother was a Muggle borner like whatever.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean think about like Baltimore, right, Like
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Baltimore would never come out and say I'm not a
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: pure blood, but he's not, you know, And so I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: think that's exactly that, right, Like we're gonna you know.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: They did take a Snape though, like and Snape was
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: a half blood and he was like Draco's favorite teacher.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: So I'm thinking like they also appreciate it. Maybe because
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: of this back history, like backstory, they probably did, you know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: learn to mingle with half bloods. And even though they
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: themselves would never say I'm half blood, they would have
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: no issue in just getting acquainted with hafloots.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Especially if that half blood aligned with them. Right, So
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: that's where I think it's easy. Yeah, I think it's
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: a pick and choosing situation, right. I think it's a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: situation of they don't always practice what they preach. Yeah, right,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And so think about I mean, think about at the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: beginning when Draco and Harry first kind of meet, you know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and there's a whole thing, and Draco's like, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you'll learn that some family I don't know his exact line,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: you know, but some families are better than others, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I can help I can help you out with that,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: and Harry's like, nah, bro like. But I think that
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I think that that kind of same mentality probably was
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: in place right where they were willing to accept Snape
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: because he it appeared, you know, that he aligned with them,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: and he was also quote unquote dark and Slytherin and
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: all of those things, and so I think they just ignore.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: But I think again, like I said, it's very very hypocritical,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and to preach supremacy in the way that they do
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: but then not fully actually practice it themselves. It's yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: just very big with I think, with their family. But yeah,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, so that's a little bit about Yeah, I
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: guess they're kind of history. So the early history of
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the family, and so there's been a lot of notable
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Malfoys in history, so we've obviously mentioned a few, like
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: with our Mond and Lucius Malfoy the first, we have
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Nicholas Malfoy, who was believed to have gotten rid of
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: unwanted tenants by cursing or poisoning them and disguising it
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: as the Black Death.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: What a guy?
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: What if prankster?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: He's my hero?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we see that right. It's very similar
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: with what I shared earlier about Lucius Malfoy the first
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and him, you know, maybe potentially putting this curse on
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth the first so that you well, you didn't want me,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: so you're not gonna have anybody, and you know, but
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: would probably never say, yeah, I put a curse on her.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: You'd just be like, oh, she's just had on like
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: she's just had not luck with marrying all these years,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: you know, And in secret he's back there with a curse,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: so she never she never finds somebody. And we see
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: this right with this Nicolas Malfoy. And then we have
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: a Braxis Malfoy who's actually the Lucius Malfoy that we know.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So Draco's father's father, so his grandfather, Draco's grandfather. Nothing
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: was ever proven, but it's believed that a Braxis was
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: part of a plot that resulted in the first muggle
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: born Minister of Magic leaving his post prematurely and without
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: any explanation in nineteen sixty eight. So again continuing to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: be to be sly and yeah, there's a couple others
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: that are listed kind of on their you know, they're
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: just the wiki kind of about their family. But there's
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Brutus Malfoy, who was an editor of apparently an anti
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: life periodical as well. So again that also shows just
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: again in their history they've kind of always been, you know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: this anti Muggle. We also have Septimus Malfoy, who, again
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: kind of hearkening back to what we talked about their
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: involvement with the Ministry and the Minister for Magic, this
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: was a Malfoy who was actually an advisor to the
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Minister of Magic sometime between the late seventeen hundreds. So yeah,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: they've always been I think a little bit of a
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: sly bunch, But I mean you could easily say that
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: their slyness and whatever they did worked because they like
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: to where they were correct and they like they are
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: still probably one of the richest wizarding families, and they
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: are I think you do think about maybe we'll talk
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: about this a little bit and a little like with
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: our our current Malfoy family, But I think that the
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: family has had a reputation that they have lived up to,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and I think that I could see them being a
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: family where it's like, we don't cross their family because
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: if we cross their family, something might happen to us,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: you know. Or it's I think that they've their reputation
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: isn't just on paper, it's also in practice. Other than
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: what we just talked about that I think there's a
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: little bit of hypocrisy there when it comes to their
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: being super anti Muggle but obviously having a history of
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: getting themselves involved. But yeah, as I mentioned earlier, so
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: many of the Malfoy family did attend Hogwarts School of
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Witchcraft and Wizardry because several of you know, our mom's
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: descendants did settle in England, and traditionally the Malfoy family
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: has been sorted into Slutherin house, you know, as Draco
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: famously states, you know, I know I'll be in Slytherin.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: All of our family have been mhm and you know
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: he was right, and he continues to be right, because
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: we know that his son will also be sorted into Slytherin.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: And you know, that should be a side story where
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: we get a Malfoy. Like you know, how we got
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: a Potter sorted into Slytherin. We need to get a
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Malfoy sorted into Hufflepuff. Yes, that'd be a great story to.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Tell coming in twenty twenty eight.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Picture you know, this little blonde Melfoy third or nothing
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: or fourth or nothing. Yeah, like we are not a threat,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: please be in. It would be cute.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I would be puffs watch it.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's yeah. Yeah. So that's a little bit about
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I think, like the early history of the family, so
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: kind of like moving us forward to more recent history.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So you know, if we fast forward to Harry's story,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: so we get introduced to the current line of Malfoy's,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: which of course is you know, Lucius and Narcissa by
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: marriage and Draco and as you know I just mentioned
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: a little while ago, Lucius was the son of a Braxus,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: and Lucius is one of the few pure blood wizards
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: left by the last twentieth century or Braxist sorry, Braxis was,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: So you can already kind of see that you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: this ideal of wanting to keep the pure blood pure bloodness,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: if that's what you want to call it, over the
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: course of history is going to slowly fade out, and
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: you're going to start to have less and less wizards
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: and witches that are truly pure blood because of intermingling
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: that's going to happen. You also have to think about,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're still a family friendly podcast here, but
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you have to think about some potential intermingling that has
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: happened off the record mm hmm between people that may
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: have produced children.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Uh So if you're picking up what I'm putting down,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: so over time that pure bloodness is going to continue
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: to become less and less pure bloodness. But but our
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Malfoys are still very much like we are pure bloods.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Let's let's pull up what's the uh ancestry dot com
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: something something in me something. Let's actually like, let's test
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: your blood and actually see how much your you know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: pure blood is there. But at the same time, though,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: because they established such a reputation, right like, they're able
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: to walk around and talk about being pure bloods without
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: anybody questioning it, because why would you question it? It's
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the Malfoys, you know, And so we obviously see the
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Malfoys then playing a role with Baltimore when Baltimore rises
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the power, and so during both the first and the
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: second Wigarening Wars, the Malfoys supported Lord Baltimore. Some of
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: them were also death eaters. But what's interesting about this
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: is that the Malfoy family was also one of the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: first Wizarding families to repent following Baldemore's first defeat, claiming, oh,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: we we were bewitched, right, But then it's.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, preservation that is finest yep.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Because of course, as soon as when Baltimore is reborn
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and comes back, the Malfoys are right back aligned with him. Yeah.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: And during the Second Wizarding War, well.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: This calls back to how they switched their views to
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: align with the ministry when the Statute of Secrecy thing
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: was going on, Right, So they just align themselves with
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: whoever is in power and can protect them in the moment.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm kind of on the opposite side of that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Deny what's the word I'm looking for, Deny allegiance with
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: that person when they're defeated and they're no longer in power.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Because I think, you know, after that first Wizarding War,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well, we don't want to align ourselves
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: with that because anybody who wants to come after people
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: who were aligned with Baltimore, we can't be seen people
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that were that were part of that. But of course
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: the second Baltimore's back, they can't. What are they going
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: to do? Valdemore comes to them and be like, I
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: heard you defy, you know, like no, no, no, we
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: were just trying to protect ourselves, like you know, yes,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: And I think it's worth noting as well about Like
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I think again, it really comes down to like what
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: their motivation is, Like I don't think their motivation is
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: necessarily like Valdemore or what, you know, like we're aligning
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: with this person or this because we fully believe in
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: their ideology. We're aligning ourselves with this person because to
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: not be aligned with this person is a threat to
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: our family's power and legacy and position.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, they switch their ideology to suit the moment, basically.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Right, and we've seen this across the entire It must
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: be something in their blood that gets passed down from
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Malfoy to Malfoy to Malfoy And you know, we do
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: know that despite all of this, though, Valdemore does become
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: displeased with the family, and Valdimore does rely on the
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: family a lot, right the Malfoy's kind of become especially Lucius,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: you know, like Will kind of becomes a bit of
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: a right hand family to Valdemore. But you know, of course,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: when Lucius fails to get the prophecy for Baltimore, Valdemore,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: as I mentioned, kind of starts to become displeased with
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: him and with the family. And this is you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: when we see I guess and maybe a little bit
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: of a threat to their family. And you know, Baltimore
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: kind of retaliates a little bit by trying to have
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Draco assigning Draco the task of killing Dumbledore, which is
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: an impossible task, Like Draco was never gonna accomplish that,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and Baltimore knew that, and it was a very manipulative
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: way to punish Lucius for his failure. And I think that,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll probably talk about this a little bit later,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: and kind of a question I have at the end
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: here about the more recent Mouthways that we know about,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: but just their loyalty to family and to each other.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: And I think Baltimore knew this, and then you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: instead of punishing Lucius directly, I'm going to give him
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: the once over and come at him from his son,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: which was a smart move on Valdemort's part.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: But I mean, as like twisted and diabolical as the
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Mouthwoys are, very clearly, family is something that's important because
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: this entire discuss and we've been talking about how most
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of what they do and the decisions they make are
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to keep the family line alive, right, So it really
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: does come down to like the survival of the next generation.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Valdemort do that. He was like, well, I
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: know who to go after.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: And even though Narcissa married into Malfoy, she ultimately was
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: a Malfoy. And you can see that kind of change
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: of heart from her and how protective she was of
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: her son and how she would do anything to save
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: him and to protect him. And even if that meant
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: you know, siding with Harry and tricking Valdemort and you know,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: just to make sure that his son was alive and
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: was well, just speaks to how much they are like
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: kind of like very protective with their own kind and
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: their family and I think it's a little bit of
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: a yeah, I think it's a little positive side to them.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about because like when we talk about
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: them being aligned with Baltimore, it's always interesting to me
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: to figure out, like the age these adult characters would
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: have been when they made these choices to align themselves
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: with certain things. Lucius would have been like nineteen or twenty,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: probably when he first became a death Eater the first
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: time valdemort was in power. So it's like he's making
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: these decisions at nineteen or twenty that's uh, really gonna
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: impact his life and his kids' life down the line
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: quite a bit. And like he's in, like you're not
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: getting out once you're in. I mean, we see it
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: when Valdemore comes back the second time, like what was
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: he gonna do? He can't do anything other then go.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Back when I don't think that, you know, as you
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: were saying that, I was just thinking, I don't think
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: like Lucius ever had any other choice because the family,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you know, as we've talked about here throughout their history,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: has always seemed to, you know, make sure that they've
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: aligned themselves with that person who is most in power,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: or would you know, they don't want to threat against them,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: and so I think, and you don't want the darkest
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: wizard targeting your family, which unfortunately ends up do just
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: kind of happen to them a little bit, you know,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: as we just talked about. But I think that it
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: probably was never a actual choice for Lucius. It would
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: have always been you know, of course I'm going to
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: become a death leader. And I think this is, yeah,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: my family has all for centuries. This is what my
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: family has done.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Here are these people who are fighting to keep purity
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: mm hmm.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: And wizards being superior. It's that it's that same. I
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: know I just said earlier too about that maybe not
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: necessarily dealing with the ideology, but I do think that
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: they do have a similar ideology to well, I think
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I think volt the thing is with vult. I think
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: that let's let's replace Valdemore with Grindivald. I think that's
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: where it's even more telling, because I think absolutely the
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Malpoys would be completely aligned with Grindivald because his whole ideal,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: right was that wizards are superior, and that was their
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: biggest thing. I think Valdemore, I think Valdemore was all
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: about himself, right, every all of it was about himself,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: but he kind of was able to like expertly guise
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: it as like I want like I want wizards being
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: superior wizards and being hiding. But that was really like
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Grindelwald's m O more than it was Valdemore's m O.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: And so I think politician. I think is kind of
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: like the more diplomatic politician, and he Baltimore was about himself.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, me, I must be immortal, I must be the
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: most the most powerful wizard. You're going to help me
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: get there. I don't care what happens to you. But
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: where Grendelvald I don't think would want his follow like
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: he actually would care I think about his followers. He
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: wants those to be like we all need to rise
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: up and assert our dominance in the wizarding world, like
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: we are above these muggles, we have magical powers. Right
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: where Valdemore, I think, would be quick to dispose of
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: you the second that you don't help him, right, And
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: so I think, yeah, comparing them as villains could also
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: be a really cool episode idea. But of course, like right,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: the Malfoyzer, like you said earlier, Amy used like self preservation,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: which is of course one of the biggest qualities of
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Slytherin House. I think that that's truly there amall really
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: is all about self preservation. And I think I have
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: a question at the end here that I definitely wanted
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: to talk through, was about like, you know, what do
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: we really think about the Malfay family and do we
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: think that they're inherently bad or inherently or is it
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: just you know, but we'll get we can get into that.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then something else interesting that I was trying
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: to look up because I wanted to know, Like, it's
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Narcissa kind of the same age as Lucy is, so
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: how old would she have been during Baltimore's first prized
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: power all that stuff, And within that research this came
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: up which I didn't realize before because the movies totally
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: undo this, but JK. Rowling herself said in a web
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: chat with fans in two thousand and seven then that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Narcissa Malfoy was never an official death eater. She never
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: got the dark mark, which in the movies she has
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the dark mark because doesn't she summon Valtimore at Malfoy
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: manor Yeah, So yeah, I just thought this was interesting.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Uh so she never got the dark mark, but her
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: views did align with her husband's and she supported his
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: involvement with the Death Eaters, but her loyalties shifted obviously
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: once Valdemart planned to try and get Draco killed basically.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, and you had mentioned that earlier a little
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: bit too, Tom, you know, and I was gonna say
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: on like kind of that note, kind of wrapping up,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: like the history of the Malfoys, the Malfoy family with
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Baltimore is that, you know, as you just mentioned, Amy, like,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: ultimately the family really did end up falling out of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: face with Baltimore. Of course, this whole thing I think
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: was very awkward for them because I think the cracks
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: were starting before Baltimore was actually defeated. They were, as
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: you just said, the cracks started and half blood prints
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: when they learned that their son was given this task
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: that would ultimately kill him. But they kind of had
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: to like play along, right, and we see this. I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: do think the movie actually does a really good job
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: visualizing this when we see the scenes when they're the base, right,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: the base of the Death Theaters in Baltimore becomes Malfoy
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: manor and you just see that. I think that, like
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the actors do a really good job portraying that, like, yeah,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: we're here and we're hosting all these people in our house,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: but like secretly, we're kind of not loving you right now.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: And I think they are.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Of them, they feel like hostages.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: You can tell that they're scared of Baltimore. They're uncomfortable
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: with the others that are there. Draco is clearly very
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: traumatized by a Hogwarts professor being killed and eaten by
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: a snake in front of him, Right, yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: I think that, like, you know, but they have to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: you know, they're they're very smart. They're so we have
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: to remember, like at the end of the day, they're
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: all still Slytherin's, Like, they're very intelligent. And I think
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: you also there's this realization of like we're also dealing
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: with someone who's a really accomplished like acqulementz, and like
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: we need to be very good at showing that we're
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: still aligned, which they I mean they do. I mean ultimately,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Narcissa again a Malfoy by marriage, but Narcissa literally is
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: able to lie to Valdemore convincingly. I mean she let's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: this is exactly what I meant earlier when we talked
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: about bad Faith and we were thinking about Taylor Swift
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: and bad But I'm sorry, I'm sorry for the language
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: our followers. But Narcissa she is a bad and I
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: mean that in the best possible endearment. Yeah, yes she is,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: and I can't wait to talk about her more. But
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: she is awesome.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: She's not a mouthwise by blood, so maybe she's just
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: you know, better than the rest of them.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: She's still ideology, She's still in the pure Blood though,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: you know, though she's still in the pure Blood family though. Yeah,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: but I just yeah, I definitely definitely feel like we
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: should do an episode or an extended discussion at some
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: point about Narcissa, because I think.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: That she's very interesting.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she is such a good character and I think that.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's a mother first and foremost. I think
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: she's introduced as, yeah, a mother just who loves her family.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, and I think to like just kind of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: tabling this idea for later, but I think it'd be
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: really cool or really interesting to kind of compare a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: character like Narcissa would like Molly Weasley, because I think
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of people on surface would be like, no,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: you've got good versus evil. I mean, do we really
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: like is Narcissa actually really? I mean, that's a whole
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: other tangent that we can save. I know where I land.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, with Narcissa, and if I would
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: say that she is truly an evil character or not,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: but I think exactly like you said, I think that
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, and even to Lucius's credit,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: is I think that we really see that at the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: end of the day, they are parents first, and they
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: are recognizing now when that person in power or Baltimore
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: is now a threat to their family, and they choose
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: their family over Baltimore. And I do really love again
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: how this scene is portrayed in the films. When you see, yes,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: you see Narcissa take the lead and look at us
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: like we are getting the hell out of here. This
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: is not where we meant or meant to be. And
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: he kind of, you know, scrambles after her like a
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: little bit of a coward, but he goes. He doesn't
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: defy her in that moment, He doesn't say no, I'm
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: with the death theaters like that is my place. In
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: that moment, you see, their place is their family. Unit
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: and they leave.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also their house, like you see the whole situation.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: The scenes in there, in the mouthful manner scenes are
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: so good because you can see the tension and how
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: scared they are at this point, and how Lucius feels
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: scared but at the same time humiliated at his own house.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: He's being treated as you know.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, being humiliated in his own aumiliated.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Like one of its servants, like he's been he's just
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: been like condensed to that. And it's like, how have
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: we gone from you know, being one of the wealthiest families,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: wizarding families in Britain to this now, like being almost
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: held hostage at our own house. It's like, yeah, like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: you I said, like it's humiliating for him, it's it's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: just very patrianizing. And yeah.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: And I think it's important to note too that like
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: this family doesn't really participate in the Battle of Hogwarts
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: in the way that all the other death theaters do.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: They don't. They don't, And I think that that gets
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: missed because the Malfoys are just painted as this evil
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: villain family and I think that if you really step
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: back and look at how everything went down, they were
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: not the same. They weren't. They didn't participate, They didn't
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: do these things like it it was about Draco and
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: making sure that Draco was safe. And I don't know,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I think we see a lot of character progression in them.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: I think we see a lot of character progression in
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Lucius over the course of the story. And you really
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: think about him, right and in the early the beginning,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: and when we meet Lucius in Chamber of Secrets and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: the way he is with Dobby and the way he
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: treats Dobby and everything, and then the way he ends
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: up at the end.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: How do you live with yourself? Yeah, when Baltimore says
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: that like it, Yes, the clothes are like, you know,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: like ragged, and it's it's it just doesn't feel the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: same Lucy, is that it's introduced earlier in the story anymore.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Part of the book that I think is so interesting too,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: is after the Battle of Hogwarts, when you know they're
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: in the Great Hall and you have all the dead
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: and the wounded around, and it mentions that the Malvoys
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: are just kind of standing in the corner, the three
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: of them together, but like they look lost, like they
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: don't know what to do next, and like it's so
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: interesting to me that they stayed there in the Great
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Hall and the safety of the Great Hall, because that's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: where they felt safe because they're no longer death eaters,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: but they've been fighting on the opposite side of the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: war of all these people who are now in the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Great Hall with them, and they're like they're.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: People know their reputation, right, Yeah, they know they're the Malfoys.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: And they're like their own little island within this and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: they're just like, where do we go from here? I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: just think that's so interesting.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Like such a turning point for the family, for the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: his not just for them, but for the story. Yeah,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: like everything you've told us to this point, like this
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: has this must have been such an important moment.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: It's such a throwaway moment, but it's like so poignant too,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: just in the grand scheme of things, and like how
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: war goes and how that happens.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Like you think of people right that are that are
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: end up fighting on the opposite side, like we said,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: not necessarily because they're so super aligned with that side,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: but in that moment, that side is right. They don't
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: have a choice, or that's the side that offers protection
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: for their family or whatever, and then when that side
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: gets defeated and you're kind of stuck in this this
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: middle of like, wait, please don't hate us, Like we
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: actually don't want to come out here and murder you.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: We're just trying to protect ourselves and protect our son.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: But like, but at the same time, like throughout your
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: in the last whatever many years, you know, you've been
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: aligned with that other side, and like, don't come to
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: us now for safety or security or begging for our forgiveness.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: But like and so that, yeah, they're kind of just
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: loss of like we're in this room full of people
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: that hate us, but we can't go back to the
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: other people because they hate us too.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: And get us killed if we go back, by.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: The way, that right, yeah, right, And I think to
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: just juxtapose where the family ends up compared to like
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: where they were in those earlier histories when they were
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: influencing the ministry, and you know, we're working with kings
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: and queens and it's just, I don't know, it's very
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: poetic to see how, you know, kind of how they
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: end up from grace for sure, yes, and yeah, I
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: mean so that kind of takes us right to like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: our present day, right where we are and so presently,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: you know, the Malfoy line, it still continues on. It's
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: not it did not die that day at the Battle
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: of Hogwarts or soon after or anything. You know. Of course,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: we have Draco who goes on to marry Astoria green Grass.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: This you know again, here's where here's where they change,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: but they don't change, right, So, Lucius and Narcissa had
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of just disapproval of Draco marrying Astoria because Astoria, again,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: as we mentioned, is part of the green Grass family,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: which is part of the Sacred twenty eight. Well, Astoria
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: is someone that didn't really hold those same blood supremacy
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: views as other people in these pure blood families did.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: And so even though at this point, right the Malfoys
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: have kind of fallen from grace, I mean, maybe they've
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: redeemed themselves a little bit now over the years, but
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: they've kind of fallen from grace. A lot of things
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: have changed about them, but still at their core, there's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: still something in there about blood supremacy. They can't fully
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: let that go, even after everything that's happened, literally quite literally.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: And so we start to see a lot of tension
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: between Lucius and Narcissa with Draco because they don't support
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: that he wants to marry Astoria. But we've got a
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Draco who was changed a lot, and you know, and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: this is something you know again, I would love to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: dive into another episode and kind of Draco's quote unquote
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: kind of redemption arc and Draco really, I mean, we
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: could argue he's always kind of been that way, but
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: he finally like lets it come out later in life.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: But he also kind of changed his view a little
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: bit about blood supremacy and he's still Draco, Like he's
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: still Draco at his core, so it still comes out
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit and we kind of really see his
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: evolution over the course of Curse Child. I think his
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: story is one of the best of Curse Child. But
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: at the same time, we see him choosing to still
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: like he loves Astoria and like like true love and
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: he still wants to marry her despite this and despite
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: his parents' approval, and he goes to bat for his
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: wife against his parents, and I think that's beautiful. I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: love Draco, but like that's beautiful.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: It's like also breaking that Vish cycle too, yes, like
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: starting fresh with you know, just someone had to do
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: it eventually, yes, you would have never guessed it was Malfoy.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: But ever since you see his downfall like downfall in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: the sense I see, I see it almost as a
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: redemption redemption arc all the way from Halflood Prince, because
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: you start seeing him as this very vulnerable kid that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: changed him, yes, yes, and.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Broke him I think, and changed.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely so you feel so much more for him,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: and you know he's under this very difficult, impossible task
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: of having to kill the most powerful wizard of this time,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: and you know, having to carry out those tasks and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: having to respond to Valdemort and just having all that
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: weight on him. You know how how that really affected
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: him psychologically, and and you just see it so clear
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: throughout that last your your sakes, and that's when you
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: start saying, there's so much more layers to this character
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: than I thought. And I think it all comes down
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: to this, you know, him wanting to marry Astoria against
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: all odds, and just you know, wanting to marry this
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: person that he that he loved and he trusted, and
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I just feel it's it's also poetic in that way,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: like he's the one to break this cycle at the
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: end of the day, you know, the.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Little the little boy. My father will hear about this,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: and my father, that's my father that I do everything
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: to please my father. But now no, I'm going to
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stand up for what's right here and
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to defy this. I mean to the point too.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: And something you said there, Tom is like you can
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: tell how much Draco has changed in this moment too,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: because we learned kind of through you know, Kurse Child
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: and everything like that, that Draco would have been very,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: very content to have the Malfoy Lion die with him,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: you know, and to have everything that happened in their
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: history him be the end of it. But Astoria, you know,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: we know that she has a lot of health issues.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: She's got this blood malediction that ultimately does end up
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: taking her life, and she really wanted to have a
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: child so that Draco wouldn't be alone when she ultimately,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: you know, passed away. And because you know, like we
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: just said, like Draco loved her and everything like that,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: like given you know, all of his things of like
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want the same thing to continue,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Like we need to put a stop. He still ultimately
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: does have a child with her because it's what she wants.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: And I think that's also very telling of his character.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: And you know, so of course, as we know, the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Malfoy line has not died because they have Scorpius. And
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: I think that.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: The best Mouthfoy all of them, Yes, and.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: I think that he is, you know, and we're not
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: going to you know, we won't dive super I think
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: it's a good to end this discussion kind of with
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: just talking about and now we're at Scorpius and you know,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: if you've seen Curschild or Red Cursed Child, will you
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: know you know all about Scorpius. And I think again
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: just a very again poetic way of like where they're
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: like right now, he is currently the end of the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Malfoy line, right and what we know and just he
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: really I think Draco start, like we said, Draco started
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: to kind of put the cracks in the family. And
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: we could even say even more, we could say that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: really the cracks in the family started with nar System
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: wearing into the family and bringing in those values that
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: she had in terms of like a mother and everything.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: That was kind of maybe the start of it, and
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: then it trickles into Draco and then we end up
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: with Scorpius, who was like the most pure thing ever
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: and does not really contain any of what we've talked
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: about at all. That makes a Malfoya Malfoy, and I
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: think he's truly like the turning point, and the family continues,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: but we're at the place now where the family does
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: not have to continue in the same way that they
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: have for centuries and centuries. So yeah, that's the history
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: of the family. I feel like we always get really
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: deep kind of at the end of of these things,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: but I think too, like I really wanted to take
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: some time to kind of talk about like looking at
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: that whole history of the family, Like what are our
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: overall thoughts on the family, Like, you know, like I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, like are they truly evil? Are they truly bad?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Like what do we think of them if we compare
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: them to other quote unquote villain characters like Umbrage or
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Valdemore or Bellatrix. Are they in that same category?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: The Malvoys are interesting because they're not like I don't
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: think they're like out here trying to like kill people necessarily, right,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: They're just trying to get what they can out of
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: every situation. Like obviously you have the guy who was
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: like cursing his tenants and saying it was black death.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: That's not cool, that's kind of evil. But everything else
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: is very much like we're gonna just be behind the scenes,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: pulling strings. We're going to align ourselves with whatever serves
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: us in the moment. They're not like like we we
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: don't ever hear about like we hear about a lot
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: of the Death Eaters actually killing and like going after
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: certain members of the order or.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Going as the Battle of Howarts, the Battle of Hogwarts,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: but the Malfoy is like Lucius and Narcissa, we don't
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: ever we don't see.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Them kill, we don't hear about them killing. So I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: feel like they are there, but they're not like actually
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: carrying out these acts.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Lucius is a very particular character in
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: that sense because I feel like he does it out
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: of like cowardry. I don't know if cowardry is a word,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: but that's exactly.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: Why I put coward in the dock. And I think, yes,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: I wanted to kind of talk about him and that
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: that I think he's a coward.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: I do, yeah, because you never see him fulfill any
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: of the tasks that you know, he's he's tasked to do,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: and you know, you would think, oh, that's just bat luck.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: But I think there's a point in where it's like,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: is it bat luck or is it you know, he's
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: just too too I don't know soft to be able
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: to carry out but.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Such but puts up a facade, right.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yes.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Well, even thinking about like him giving Tom Riddle's diary digity,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: he didn't know what that was going to do. I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: think in his mind he thought, this is the diary.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Silly little book in the hands of a silly little girl.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe it will do something to bring back Valdemore in
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: some way. I don't know, but like, I don't think
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: he thought that was going to end with a kid
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: getting Yeah, so like even that, like I don't think
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: he had the intention, Like I don't even think he
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: knew what his intention was, Like I don't know, but yeah.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting to think about him and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: just his treatment of Dobby as well, which I think
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: I mean could be something that if we do a
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: character discussion on him, we can get into more. But
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I think that that maybe puts a little bit in
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: a question about his for him, his badness his evilness
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: because he was he did Dobby awful as we see,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: And so I do think maybe, like I think maybe
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: that original question I asked is a different answer of
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: if we're talking about Narcissa or Lucius or Draco.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: And I think you can be a bad person, like
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: quote unquote bad person without being evil bad Like I
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: think like.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: That you don't have to be a murderer to be
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: a bad person. Yeah, of course, right.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: But there's a line and there's a difference.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, pushing my house elf, who is who are
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: historically treated awful is maybe not the same as I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: just went out in evaticad average you cold cold blood.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: I don't see him going out and like cold blood
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: killing somebody right right. I see him running away and
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: scouring off into the shadows as other people or as
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: other death eaters are doing it.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: Also, his way of treating Dobby in public could also
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: be part of his you know, his kind of like
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: mask to say, hey, this is you know.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Look at me, this powerful person walking in the Hogwarts
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: and I can have you taken out of Hogwarts and
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: look at the absurding asserting my dominance when.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, also look at how serious treated creature, right,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: and we're not over here like serious as evil. Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I think there's degrees.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: But creature wasn't Debbie though.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah, but creature deserved to be
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: treated great. I am a Creature fan, like.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Redeemable, completely redeemable character.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that's a really good point you make, Amy,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: I think comparing to like, Okay, let's take a good
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: a good character and look at how they treated. It's
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: not the same level, I don't think, but it's very similar.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: And to your point Tom too, about you saying, you know,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Lucy has never really carries out any of the things
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that he's assigned to do. It makes me think, like
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine like his reaction when he finds out
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: that his son is a signed to do this thing
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: that like even he himself has not been able to
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: do yet. And then to find out, imagine his son
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: that way is being put on his sixteen year old son,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: and he's going to have to make that choice or
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: either die or live with the fact that he killed somebody.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Like Yeah, I think it's interesting too to kind of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: compare like Lucius's and like Narcissa's responses as well to
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: that task. Being given to Draco, because again, I think
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: this is where it also comes into I know I
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: put in a doc here too. We talked about, you know,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: lucius impossibly cowardness, and I think with Narcissa, I think
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: a good word to go with her is complicit. I think,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: unfortunately she is a little too complicit with certain things,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: and she doesn't start changing her tune until her son
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: is threatened. And like you said earlier, Amy, that she's
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: always supported Lucius and his being a death theater and
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: everything like that. But I also think she was a
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: little bit complicit in that. But at the same time,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: I think, like, I don't think she's evil, I don't
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: think she's bad.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: It wasn't her all who wanted to do the unbreakable vow.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: It was Bellatrix who kind of, you know, convinced them
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: into it, like saying this is.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: The only way to protect your son. It's very manipula.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: She just wanted, She just wanted name to look after Draco.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: She wasn't asking for anything else. It was just a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: mother desperate seeking you know, protection for her, for his
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: for her son, and the only person she could really
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: rely on at that time that was Snape Inside Hogwarts
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: and then Belatrix just twisted the whole thing and said,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: you know, this is gonna be a life or death
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: thing and if you don't make it like you know,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: you're gonna die. So it's like she's always dragged. Also,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: like I think about that complicit part, it's like she's
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: also like dragged into these situations, very sketchy, very dark
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: situations that she doesn't necessarily bring up or you know,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: naturally come up with.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again both of those things. And you know,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: I think we'll definitely talk about Draco more too, and
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm of the camp that I don't think
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Draco is evil either. Again, I think making this distinguish
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: between being an truly evil person and doing bad things
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: a good person can do bad things, and also not
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: saying Draco is necessarily a good person. He's kind of
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: this in between.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: That's a whole other simple but yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: He's a bully. But I don't think like, if we
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: look at evil, like pure evil like Valdemore, Bellatrix, on Bridge,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: and we look at these characters, are they truly evil
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: in the sense of comparing them to these other characters.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: I think Lucius is the most wishy washy. But again
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: I think again his cowardness really is what pushes him
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: to do certain things. But I think that all of
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: their individual characteristics all still at the end of the day,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: harken back to this self preservation of our family and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: doing what we need to do in the moment to
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: preserve our family, whether that's a good decision or it's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: a bad decision. We see essentially throughout history up until
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: the current day, that the Malfoys are always going to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: make the decision that helps protect their family the most.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that's a I don't think that
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: comes from a bad or evil place always, especially with
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: our current Malfoys. I think it comes from a place
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: of love. Like I think I would never question that
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: the Malfoys loved Drake if everyone was like, do you
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: think that they that those parents genuinely love Draco? I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: absolutely do, especially in ours.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: They may have had not great ways of showing it,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: and you know, but yeah, I think they did, and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: it's really in.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Love at the end of the day, right, Yeah, And
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: That to excuse any of the things they did not
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: at all, but all I think, yeah, but the intention.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: What was the intention or the motivation for doing certain things.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: I think their motivation also changed, too, right, I think
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: maybe before having Draco, or when Draco's younger or whatever.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: But I think as the time went on and Voldemore
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: came back, and that I don't think the Malfways ever
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: thought Waldemore would come back. I think they probably were
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: not happy he came back, right They they deflected from it,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: and here he is back again, and here we go again.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: But I think that, Yeah, I don't know. I think
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: ultimately again, I think their their idea of pure blood
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: supremacy and their thoughts about muggles is there. Their their
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: kind of gross part of their family, and it's inherited,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: not inherited, inherited discrimination and inherited Yeah, you know what
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, inherited ideals.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Which Draco goes on to prove that those things can
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: be unlearned, which I think is such a great part
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: of that character.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so the point that we then see, right,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: we see someone who then comes next who has none
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: of those ideas.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, and surrounding yourself with people who challenge your ideals,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: like obviously a Storia coming into his life was a
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: good thing for him, and that here she was this
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: person he cared about and respected, and she challenged those
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: ideas that he held previously and so probably started to
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: change his thinking that way of like, wait a second,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: this is a person that I really truly respect, and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: if they're saying this other thing that's different, maybe I
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: need to rethink things.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but yeah, I mean, I think the moral
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: of the story is ultimately like Draco is I think
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: more of an important character than people let on, because
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: when thinking about the history of this family, like you know,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: like we've alluded to, and really, like you just said, Amy,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: like he was really the key to changing this family's history.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: Which the irony of that is he starts out and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: through most of the story he's right there with the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: family reputation, the family ideals, and I think it's very
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know we've said this before. I think it's
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: very poetic that he then ends up being the one
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: who were really interest reduced to the Malfoy ideals from him, right,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Like he's our first character that we really see and
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: we learn what the Malfoys are all about, and then
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: he ends up being the one to kind of say
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: like like no, more like our family can't keep doing
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: this for another five hundred years. Like again, I still
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: think they have some work to do though, because I
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: think that pure blood supremacy is still too ingrained. But
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I think that Scorpius, really, I think is the is
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: the key there to pay the way of No, we
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: don't have to continue that at all, you know, Yeah,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean ultimately, I think a very interesting
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: family that you don't think about on a deeper level.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: I think we just think of them as being bad, right.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: And there's so much more than meet Ci. After reading
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: all of this and after like going you know and
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: analyzing just really like overly like analyzing Draco and Lucia's
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: and Narcissa and seeing like if we had to do
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: a deep dive on these characters, we might even feel
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: a lot more sympathy for them than we have, and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: you know, just kind of like touching on these characters
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: so briefly, but there you know, there's, like every Harry
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Potter character, there's so many layers to them and it's
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: not bad or or good, and you know, it's just
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: this kind of like gray area where they all have
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: their flaws, they all have their strengths, but it's you know,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: it's a matter of if they ultimately do you know,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: make the right choice and do what's good not just
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: for them, but for the people they care about. And
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: I think this is very you know, this is shown
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: in the Malfoys as well, is very explicit to how
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: much they care about protecting not just self preservation themselves,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: but their family and out of love, not just you know,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: social status or wealth or you know, even when they
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: were in their worst place, they still protected each other.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: And I'm you know, I think it's there's a lot
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: more that we could discuss from each of these characters
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: and just see all of these different layers and what
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: motivated them also to act certain ways. With Draco just
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: trying to please his mother, that's why he was such,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: you know, such a bully in his first years at Hogwarts.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: Was he just trying to be a reflection of him?
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: How was the situation back at home, how was he treated?
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: There's just so much that we never knew, but definitely
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: would be very you know interesting to keep discussing and
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: diving into these family dynamics that are not always easy
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: but definitely have a lot to talk about.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I think too, and you know, what I
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: kind of thought of, like doing this kind of topic
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: and everything is I think that this topic is a
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: really good preface for any future deep dives into the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: family dynamics or into the care characters, because really looking
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: at their history as a family, I think is really
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: important to learn about where they where it started with
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: the family, and where it came from, and where those
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: ideals started and over the course of history, how those
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: ideals have shifted and remained the same. I think it
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: really lends itself into explaining a lot about why the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Malfoys that we know and we meet as part of
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Harry's story are the way they are, Right, It's always
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: about where did they come from? And yeah, that's why
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about where they came from?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Specialis Erlo all right, So for our rotating segment, we're
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: going to do a specialist revellio on the meeting behind
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: the first names of the Malfoys. So we got that
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: little bit of anymology about the Malfoy surname, but we're
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: going to take a look at Lucius, Narcissa, and Draco.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: So first up, we've got Lucius, which is from the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Latin root lux or light, which this name has come
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: to be associated with enlightenment for that reason. It's a
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: common name from the Roman Republic, often given to children
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: born at dawn. Now is still very much thought of
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: in terms of those Roman roots, because some very prominent
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Roman figures had this name. I'm sure you can all
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: think of Lucius's in Roman history. There's a lot. I'm
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: not going to list it. There's also been Lucius's in
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: the Bible, Shakespeare, and some other moderny literary works other
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: than Harry Potter as well, So pretty popular name.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: That. The word enlightenment, though, like really kind of struck
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: me when you said that, just kind of coming off
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: the discussion we just had about him, right, and we
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: feel like we've kind of said that like the turning
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: point for the family and everything. I know, again I
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: had mentioned that, I really feel like Narcissa played a
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: role in kind of helping that. But ultimately I do think,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: you know, when we talked about how Lucia says at
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the series and where he's at the
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: end of the series, I think you could very much
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: say that he became enlightened over the.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: Course of the series and gone at the end of
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: the Battle of Hogwarts yes.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, throwing the towel and he was brilliant.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm that emoji. Yeah, the emoji with
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: the mind blown. Like for those who aren't watching us
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: record this, Amy and I again as the same person,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: just did the exact same motion and a mind blown
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: and went at the same time. Wow, that is enlightened. Okay,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: all right, carry on that. Just that enlightened me.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: It makes so much sense, all right. And then we
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: have Narcissa, which is of Greek origin, and it's got
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: that obvious connection to Narcissus, the mythological figure who fell
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: in love with his own reflection and was transformed into
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: a flower, a daffodil or narcissus flower. So obviously the
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: name is often associated with self absorption because of this
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: myth vanity all thats, but it can also mean numbness
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: or sleep due to its connection to the narcissus flower,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: which has a narcotic effect.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this one's interesting because I think that like,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I think we don't know enough about Narcissa.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: She's a character I'd love to learn more about. I
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: think thinking of her as a self absorbed character, I
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: think on the surface sounds a negative, but I actually
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: think for her it might be more positive, and it's
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: more about I think her self absorption extends to dracom
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: and the decisions that she makes are due to her
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: importance on quote unquote self absorption. But it's we see
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: her putting herself in the extension of herself, which is
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Draco before power, the dangers that could come with defecting
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: from the greatest Wizard lying to I mean, she literally,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: like we said, lie to Valdemore. But I think that
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: that came from a place of again quote unquote, self absorption,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: but not in a vain way, in a motherly protective
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: love way.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: And then lastly we have Draco, which is from both
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: Greek and Latin roots words for dragon or serpent. The
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Greek word for dragon is dracon and the Latin is Draco.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: So the name Draco is also tied to draconian laws
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: because Draco was the first recorded legislator in ancient Greece,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: and it's from his laws that would get that term
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: draconian because his laws were particularly harsh or severe.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also on the Hawkwarts emblem, yes.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Like never sleeping dragon.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dragon. Yeah, huh, this.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: One's interesting too, Like about like thinking about Draco and
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: I think especially tied to the draconian laws, I feel
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: that you know, he is, like when you mentioned like
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  Speaker 2: it being particularly harsh or severe, I think that's a
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: good way to like refer to Draco. I think when
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  Speaker 2: we talked about him being a bully and stuff like.
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  Speaker 1: That and not in his ways, you're not only in
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  Speaker 1: the way that he conducts himself, but if you also
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  Speaker 1: think of it as what was imposed upon him was
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  Speaker 1: harsh and.
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  Speaker 2: Severe, right, and very dan.
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  Speaker 1: The punishment of yeah, you're gonna do that and you're
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  Speaker 1: going to kill somebody, that's that's pretty draconian.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think also comparing him to a
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  Speaker 2: dragon could be really I don't have a good answer
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  Speaker 2: to that right now. I'm just kind of my wheels
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  Speaker 2: are spinning a bit in my head. Yeah, but thinking
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  Speaker 2: about the dragon as a creature and.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and also just that representation of Slytherin house the serpent,
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  Speaker 1: like he.
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  Speaker 2: Is very much like proud Slytherin.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he is like Slytherin to the core. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense that his name would somehow be tied
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  Speaker 1: back mhm.
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting. I always I do love looking, you know,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: like actually diving into the etymology of these characters' names
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  Speaker 2: because it just one It shows how much thought was
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: put into naming these characters. And it's also just so
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: insane sometimes how perfectly thesecter's names fit based on the etymology.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and not just as an introduction to your character,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: but also their development and ultimately their ending, like you know,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: like it's a it's almost foreshadowing what's going to happen
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  Speaker 3: with that character. It's insane when you think about it
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: in the future, once you've read the whole story, just
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: all the pieces fit perfectly, and you're like, this is
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: not a coincidence. We've got you know, there's this mastermind
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: who's been working pulling the strings and just you know, yeah,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: just yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's a reason why we were all like diving into
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: the meaning of character names when the books were coming out,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: because you never knew what was going to happen to
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: these people.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like Tom said, I think it's almost more
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: interesting to look at diving into the character names now
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: that the series is complete.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: M M with hindsight, mm hmm, all right, cool.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: It's a noise.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: So last week, we asked you what would you most
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: look forward to when visiting the studio tour. We got
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: a few responses, so the Good The Bat and the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: Boy on Instagram said the great Haul good choice, Yes,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: the most recognizable set too. So then we got a
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: message from Jerry. She said, another great episode about the
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: studio tours in both England and Japan, and in Japan sorry,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: And of course I want to go to everything in
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: both locations, but my top wish is probably the Forbidden Forest,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: especially if there's a patronis experience as part of it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Probably in part because the Forbidden Forest seems to be
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: tied up with beasts. I'm thinking she's referencing to the
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: Fantastic Beasts or just beasts in the Magical World. I'm
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: not sure what. I don't recall what Lucy said on
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: last episode, but I think it could be tied up
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: to fantastic piece because there are hints creature, yes.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Like where they put them in the studio tour.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in Japan at least, yes, gotcha. So she
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: goes on saying, and in part because I have wanted
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: to go to one of the Forbidden Forest experienced events
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: and have never managed to get it to work for me,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: hopefully followed by the Great Wizarding Express Train in Japan,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: referencing the Fantastic Piece section in the Japan Studio Tour,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: and she ends up saying, possibly because I expect Jacob
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: to show up with his frying pan and serve me
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: some giggle water.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: Love it?
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love the fact that we were talking
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: about this on the previous episode. How you know, it's
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: great that Japan offers its unique experience to the visitors
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: that is not a copy and paste of the Studio
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Tour in London's so it's great. Also that they have
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of the costumes and props from the Fantastic
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: Beasts franchise, which the Studio Tour currently lacks. So it's
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: really cool because it really makes you look forward to
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: visiting all the realms of studio tours around the world
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: and upcoming.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: And the inclusion of Fantastic Beasts in Japan, Yes, they
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: have the extra space.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: We talked a lot about that.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: Too, Yes, very cool.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And lastly, we have a comment from an unknown
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: user called Amy Gee.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: I wonder who that is.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: I wonder who that is.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: To tell us what she was off the episode, and
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: she hasn't been to the studio tour yet, so I.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Have not I agree with the Good, the Bad, and
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: the Boy. I think the Great Hall would be just
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: such a cool moment, and I would want to be
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: the one to get to open the doors. I don't
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: know how I would make this happen, but I would
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: like really chat up the workers and.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, you have to just basically tell them
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: that it's your birthday.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay day. I can do that, no.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: One has to it, yeah, yeah, and not feel bad
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: for any of the children who are probably anxiously waiting
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: to open the doors if.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: They can keep waiting. I've waited twenty years. It's fine.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's really funny because Lucy talked about how like
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: she wanted to do it too, but there was kids
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: there and so she didn't want to take that opportunity
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: away from kids. And then Amy's just like, forget those kids.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: I haven't waited. I've waiting over twenty years. I'm opening
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: those doors.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: They don't know what suffering is. It'll be good for them,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: it'll be character building.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm right behind you on that. So tell her
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: that you don't.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Always to get your way favor, there's a build character
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: from this moment.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome, very amy man.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: I know I was going to say that's not very
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: huffle Buffy.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But other than that, I also really want to
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: see the Hogwarts scale mod all in person, just because
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: it just looks so cool.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:06
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• 1:46:20
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  Speaker 2: All right, sure, well, I think great discussion again, and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: I feel that we always end a lot of these
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: discussions with having a lot of sympathy and a different
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: appreciation for certain characters, and I am glad that we
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: bring that discussion to the space. And yeah, this Lytherin
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: really enjoyed discussing the malf Way family and cannot wait
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: for us to kah discuss them individually more in the future.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: And so until next time, I'm Nicole, I'm
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