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Seahawks vs Niners Postgame: A Turnover Fest Turns South · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

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Hello, and welcome to the Sea Hawkers Podcast.
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I'm your host, Brandan Schulze, and I am joined by my good buddy Adam Emmert,
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as our Seattle Seahawks lose to the San Francisco 49ers 32-29 or, I, I mean, if
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we were to count it properly- … how, how do we count this with as many
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turnovers, like gifted points?
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I really…
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This really deserves a deep dive into how many earned points versus
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gifted points in this game, Adam.
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Yeah, and kinda for both sides as well.
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It's not like that we didn't get a couple turnovers and, score points off that.
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The difference being 49ers punched it in for touchdowns and we settled
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for field goals there, and that's one of the big differences in the game.
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But before we get into all of it, I talked a lotta [catfish] going into this game.
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And so just, straight off the rip here, congratulations to the 49ers.
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You guys won today in, yeah, another early in the season victory for you guys.
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We'll see on down the road.
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But I think one thing that we can say after coming out of this game is that,
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both teams are of high quality.
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And tough loss though.
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Tough loss to stomach, especially when your offense Looks like it does
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throughout pretty much this entire game.
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Yeah, with as many gifted points before halftime, that was…
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It ended up being an entertaining game, which w- it made me happy
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ultimately, and I thought we could still pull out the victory, but
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man, oh, man, that last drive.
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You hit JSN over the middle, you get to midfield, and then for it to stall
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out, for, JSN to have a ball that essentially hits him in the hands,
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that, yeah, it was a little bit behind him, but you expect him to catch.
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Cooper Kupp diving for the first down as he's going out of bounds, and,
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y- they don't get the call there.
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They go with the call on the field.
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It, it's tough without, like, an overhead view of that, to-
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Yeah … the way they called it, so, they weren't gonna overturn it.
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And we got Gambling Goat.
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We got other- And not the reason we lost the game.
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And not the reason we lost.
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It wasn't the reason we lost the game, no, no.
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Yeah.
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yeah, you don't wanna have to rely on that.
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But, we got lots of 12s joining us in chat.
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Gambling Goat, member for 14 months.
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Appreciate you joining in.
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We got The Snail saying, "I hate everything about that game.
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Offense, bad coaching, bad defense in the fourth quarter.
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For the third game in the row, bad."
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I wanna hit on that for a second.
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Ryan911, our live executive producer with a 9.99
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Super Chat, "Go Hawks.
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Ready for the rematch."
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Rematch is gonna be fun, Adam.
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But, yeah, I went from being mad at the offense for, t- giving,
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gifting them points early on, to then being excited about the offense that
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they, y- and the defense for getting us back into it, and then being upset at
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Josh Jobe and the defense for letting the Niners drive down the field.
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And, old man Mike Evans, looked like young man Mike
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Evans against Josh Jobe and just- Yeah … abused him down the field.
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And, then, yeah, I was, then I was mad at the defense at the end a little
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bit more, and then, you know, it, they, I, some coaching, throw in some
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coaching anger in there, too, I suppose.
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Well, interesting that, you kind of phrased it all out that
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way because what you just described was a rollercoaster, and that game
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was absolutely a rollercoaster.
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My notebook is chock-full of stuff that we can go through and talk about.
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But Brandan, where do you wanna start?
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Do you wanna start with the offense or the defense?
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Because I have, actually a fair amount of positives to say about the defense.
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I think for the most part, they were freaking fantastic today.
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we can talk about the Evans versus Jobe matchup.
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That, that definitely was a lowlight of it.
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Or we can go to the offensive side of the ball, and we can talk about
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some of the dysfunction there.
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Oh, we can start off with the offense because it started there early with
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another first drive turnover by Sam Darnold, and, and I can already see
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in chat that people are calling for Drew Lock, they're calling for Holani
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to be cut because he gifted a…
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Well, and the entire first half was framed by Seattle gifted turnovers, one
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by Darnold and then Holani at the end.
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Yeah.
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and wasn't there another turnover in the first half as well?
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Wasn't there three- There was another turnover in there too Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so you know, that's- 'Cause it was the punch out though.
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That, and that one, the Fred Warner punch out is the one that I can…
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Like, I'll take that one 'cause Fred Warner's really good.
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It was a- Yeah … a great punch out, and, like, those
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types of turnovers I can accept.
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Yeah.
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It's the ones where it's, you know, throwing an out route that you shouldn't
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have thrown, or, throwing, or y- when you should've knelt before
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the half because the punt backed you up inside- Okay … your five yard line.
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You have 20 seconds.
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There is entirely zero chance that you're going to drive anywhere on the field.
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Like, only bad things can happen.
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just take the knee going to halftime.
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Yes, the Niners had three timeouts and they could have used
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them, but were they going to?
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Probably not.
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Negative.
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They were not going to.
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And right before that sequence I looked at Brittany and I was like,
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"Just take a knee, go into halftime.
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You know, it's a close game."
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I don't know, what was it at that point?
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13, four- or 14-13?
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14-13 going into halftime- Yeah … and then it was 21-13 after the fumble.
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Yeah, for like no reason.
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For no reason.
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I don't understand why you'd run a play there.
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If you wanna tell me, "Well, they had timeouts, so what are we gonna do?"
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Okay, then kneel it three times.
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Like, I, yeah, I, I don't understand.
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Like, you can do this no matter what, and they had room to do it.
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What, you lose a half yard every kneel down?
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And I think- Yeah, or you could, or you can try and do a quarterback
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sneak or d- just go up the middle.
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Yeah, just secure the ball, go straight.
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Yeah.
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Secure ball, go straight.
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I didn't understand that at all with 18 seconds, like, there's, there's just
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no reason to run a play there, right?
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You definitely didn't have to.
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And that was, honestly, there you go, right there, that cheapie right there-
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Yeah … that, that gives up the game for you as you end up losing by three.
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Super frustrating.
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I don't understand if that comes from Coach Mike or Coach Fleury,
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or maybe it's a combination.
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I don't know, but that was a major coaching mistake.
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So let's put that on the coaches, but let's move over
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and talk a little bit about Sam.
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And- All right.
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Before we do that- Yeah … get to Carly Perkins and her super chat.
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That sucked, but the fact that they barely beat us when we gifted
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them 21 points gives me hope.
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There's still plenty of season left, we just need a running back.
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do we need more than a running back, Adam?
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You were just about to talk j- about Sam Darnold.
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well, if we're gonna talk about Sam, look, you're gonna have highs
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and you're gonna have lows, and right now we're in amidst of lows for Sam.
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He's not seeing it well at all.
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Like, the, the first interception, I've only got to see a replay because thanks
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to Fox I got to watch the disgusting ending of, Giants-Commanders
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instead of the majority of the first quarter of our football game.
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But, after seeing the replay, terrible ball, can't be throwing it there.
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He held the ball forever on multiple occasions and took sacks.
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Now, not every sack was on Sam.
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There was a boot later in the game that Charles Cross sets inside instead
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of outside on a boot to his side.
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I, I don't understand that.
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That can't be the way that's coached.
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It can't.
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Yeah.
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yeah.
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And they've been- And it didn't look like the defender made, like, a big, you know,
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jump to the outside right at the snap.
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It, it- No, Cross set inside.
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So, I think what we need to do to help Sam kinda get going is on the
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first pass play of every half, we bring in Drew Lock for that play, and
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then we let Sam go for the rest of it.
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Because both of his picks were on, I believe, his first pass
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attempt of each freaking half.
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Yeah.
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And then, and then it was relatively fine.
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But- It was okay, but that's the thing.
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Like, the, let's talk about the last sequence then, it going
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down the, the stretch there.
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So on second down he holds the ball forever.
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Yeah.
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Finally scrambles out to his right.
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He does have A.J.
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Barner, but throws it above and behind him.
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It's just not a good ball.
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Is it catchable?
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Yes.
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But not a good ball.
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Then the ball to JSN, again, you put that out just in front of him a
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little bit instead of where he has to contort himself, that's a first down.
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There's multiple balls that Sam threw in this game that he got away with,
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that he probably shouldn't because the ball placement is God awful right now.
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He's turning down open dudes for shorter completions to try to hunt down field.
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He did that multiple times today.
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Mm-hmm.
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And th- we gotta speed up the clock a little bit here and get him
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going, but this is, this is, this is not looking good for Sam.
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It, this feels like a regression to this point.
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And, yeah, give the 49ers some credit too.
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They generated more pressure than I thought that they would be
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able to in this game as a whole.
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Yeah.
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Offensive line was very up and down today, but Sam's not in good condition.
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They had, they had stretches where the run blocking looked great.
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They had stretches where Sam had a nice clean pocket, and then there were
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others where they just got bullied.
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Yeah.
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also too, you look at the 49ers and the way they were playing defense
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throughout the majority of the game, on first down they were playing a ton
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of five-man fronts and loading the box.
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And we kept just trying to run it into them, and I understand you gotta do
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that some, like no doubt about it.
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But the Niners were constantly ahead of the chains, especially
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in the second half or really the fourth quarter, whereas the Hawks
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were constantly behind the chains.
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Right.
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And look, if they're…
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Then Fleury actually had a nice solution to this, starting out, I believe, at the
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beginning of the fourth quarter or the, maybe the beginning of the second half.
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let's see, where do I have that written down here?
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I think it must have been, yeah.
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early in the third quarter, went to th- some 13 personnel, and
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they were really able to just jelly it right down the Niners' throats,
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and then we just went away from it.
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Just never appeared again.
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Shane Turner acoustic with a 299 super chat.
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the plus is Sam's next contract is getting cheaper, and then we
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got Bloomie coming in saying Sam is saving us 60 million next year.
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Saying the hell gone.
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Attested joke, Bloomie.
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We got, - Holy Hannah.
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Yes, a $50 super chat by Horror Gist CD saying, "Hey boys, I kind of feel
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like I did last year about this time when Sam threw 1,200 interceptions to
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the Rams and we lost by a few points.
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Love you guys.
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Thank you for being you."
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Thank you for the very generous, super chat, and, yeah, the-- maybe we can
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now get to-- maybe we're just getting to the point where Ernest Jones can tell
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us all to, to F off again about talking about Sam, and they can go undefeated.
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So maybe we're just getting to that point a little bit earlier this year.
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Maybe that is the pattern.
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Maybe Sam goes on a, a run from here on out.
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But the ball security has been atrocious, and look, he leads the league in,
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turnovers last year, and it's looking like he's on track to do that this year
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if he doesn't already, with missing a couple games with the butt stuff.
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it's just- Maybe it's the beginning of the season that's not working for him,
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because this 49ers defense isn't amazing.
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It's not.
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And I mean, they're good enough, they're an average defense, but look, the
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defense, the Seattle defense played well enough to keep you in this game, to give
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you a chance to win this game, and you definitely should have won this game if
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you didn't just, I don't know, just give the ball to the Niners 17,000 times.
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On defense, Byron Murphy on the day was- Good … a clear standout with
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two sacks, three tackles for a loss.
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they had six overall, so he accounted for half of them.
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They had nine quarterback hits, he accounted for a third of them.
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Byron Murphy had a day today.
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Byron Murphy had a monster day.
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Look, man, I really felt like we would see the next evolution of the Aaron
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Donalds of the world in Byron Murphy this year, and it is coming true.
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just an absolute joy to watch.
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He was just all over the field, just wreaking havoc.
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Just a fantastic day by him.
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I actually thought the pass rush as a whole was pretty darn good.
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Where I was disappointed, I think it was second and…
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Or no, third and 10, on the touchdown drive the Niners had late
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in the game, and we had none of our best pass rushers out there- Yeah
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for that third and 10.
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Like, I'd rather have gas Leo Williams and gas Byron Murphy than Riley Mills
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and Jarran Reed or whoever else was out there, but just remember thinking
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that was kind of unacceptable.
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You give up a second and 21 on that drive with Josh Jobe getting turned around-
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Mm-hmm … in man to man coverage.
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Mike Evans, he abused Josh Jobe, especially on fourth down.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, he won the Niners the game.
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Seven receptions- Yeah … 113 yards.
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He had the touchdown.
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He had the, the longest catch of the day was 28 yards.
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Only 14 yards after the catch, so, you know, it's not like he was, they were
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getting, beat on defense with a lot of catch and runs, but it was a lot of
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tho- like, a lot of those long plays.
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And then I, I was waiting to see, okay, are they gonna continue to spam Mike
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Evans then after that touchdown drive?
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And then they just went on the ground to McCaffrey for a lot of that next
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drive, and, a- and ran the clock out, and I think that's when they
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got the f- the go-ahead field goal.
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So, yeah, they didn't go to Mike Evans at all on that final field
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goal drive, so I wasn't sure if, you know, that- that'll be something to
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look at afterward to see if maybe they gave him some extra attention.
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Were they doing anything differently, or did the Niners just decide, "Okay, well,
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we're not going that way because, they're, they're going to be prepared for
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that after we spammed him last drive"?
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Yeah, late in the game they definitely got eight up in the run
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game, and it was right up the gut.
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It was a bunch of duo, just running it right down your throat.
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And the Hawks haven't been fantastic against duo all year as a run defense, and
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it was exploited late in that game when they needed it the most, and Mike Evans
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made huge plays going down the stretch.
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look, Brock Purdy looked like Brock Purdy in this game, too.
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I mean- Not amazing.
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- No … a lot of underneath stuff.
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A lot of what we expected, yeah.
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Yeah.
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19 to 29, 189 yards.
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He had the two touchdowns, he had the one interception, and, sacked three times.
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So it, it does feel like we got…
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Yeah.
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It, it, what…
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Well, it didn't need to be an amazing stat line because they got touchdowns
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when they needed to, they had short fields because of the turnovers- Yeah
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and they capitalized on them.
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And, and then, yeah, when it mattered most at the end, getting the field
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goal drive was critical, that, that entire drive, especially with the third and long.
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That was…
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He had the good drive that, that won the game.
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And, that, that was probably why I was most frustrated at the end because
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we were in it and, and then, yeah, he was d- We, we, we got beat by Purdy
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on the, at, at the end W- well, we got beat by having to put the game in the
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offense's hands going down the stretch, and th- that really was it right there.
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I, I honestly did not feel confident at all with two minutes left and,
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you know, you're putting the ball in Sam's hands, and we're gonna
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have to sling it all over the yard.
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didn't feel like we were gonna come away with that at that point.
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But, you know, you put yourself in that big of a hole in terms
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of giving up 21 cheapies early, and it's gonna be really, really
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difficult to win any of those games.
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And, you know, the turnover statistics don't even look as bad as it ought
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to because Holani has what probably could have been a touchdown, what
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just squirt out of his arm as he's just- Yeah … running wide open down
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the sideline with nobody around him.
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Like, we talk- we joke about the turf monster tripping peoples up.
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Did the turf monster have a peanut punch?
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Like I don't know.
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Either that or he, he had, greased up biceps, because yeah, he had
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that turnover where he wasn't touched, and then he barely got touched in the
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end zone when he gave up the other one.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah.
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It, it just super frustrating with the turnovers, and that if JSN
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catches that pass at the end, I, I know he, he had to contort himself,
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but if he catches that, then shoot.
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They're probably even in field, field goal range at that point, and maybe it's
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a tie game, goes to overtime then we see.
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But, yeah, just, …
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I, I hate that it came down to that.
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I hate that it came down to the sideline, and a lot of people still
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asking about, because you had that side view, Adam, right, of Kupp.
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it- we, we saw the view of where his feet were tiptoeing the sideline.
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We had the side view of where he reached out over the line to gain, but we
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didn't- the, the rule is, right, for the sidelines, that if you're out…
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It- it's where the ball crosses the sideline as you're going out, right?
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It's not…
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It's different than- Yeah
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the end zone, right?
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To where you have the entire…
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If that play would've happened on the- Like the plane continues forever.
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Yeah.
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The plane continues forever on the end zone, but when you're on the sidelines,
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I don't know why it works that way, but it, it's different on the sideline, right?
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Yes, it is different on the sideline.
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Look, we're about to have AI overlords that makes, all of
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us obsolete, including me and you, Brandan, in the podcast space.
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But if we're that close to that sort of technology, how is there
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not three chips in the ball?
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Like, one in the middle and one on each end, like, with a, with a GPS geo-fence
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around the sideline that, like, you can just see where the ball go- I, I can't
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figure that out for the life of me.
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That can't be expensive.
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It can't be hard.
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Hell, I have a GPS tracker for my freaking dog.
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Like, for my dog.
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We can't have one in an NFL football?
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A billionaire corpor- or, you know, billion-dollar corp- organization.
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You know, you gotta have how many footballs chipped?
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But yeah, I, I…
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It's, …
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They could do it, I'm sure.
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But, oh well.
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it's, it's not gonna happen this year.
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It's not gonna change this game.
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Niners get the win.
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Their defense, while they were down Dre Greenlaw, with, the headbu- after
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the headbutt to Ernest Jones, he ends up getting ej- ejected from the game.
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That, ended up impacting their defense too, I'm sure.
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But, yeah, the, the- they had-- they seemed to struggle a
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little bit with us Niners defense.
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Running the ball, it, it, it…
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I can see why, and I know I am very excited to get Zach Charbonnet back
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because, you know, even Emanuel Wilson, while he does get positive yards, it's…
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Gosh, he got tackled with, when, when Fred Warner's hand touched his thigh.
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Oh, gosh.
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Yeah, there was a handful of runs for Wilson where there was space for him to
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operate and just gets barely tripped up, and he's supposed to be, like, this power
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back, and it's super frustrating to see.
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I, I really, really…
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I don't, I, I I've seen Mike in the comments here, Mike John, saying,
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"Chips in the ball don't help that."
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I guess I don't follow.
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I, I, I can't understand how in the world that, - Spatially it
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should be able to tell what, you know, have all the GPS in it, right?
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Yeah.
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This isn't…
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It's, it's literally not rocket surgery.
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But, - … whatever.
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what were we just talking about?
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back to, - Emanuel Wilson- Emanuel Wilson
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not being a very dynamic runner.
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Look, I mean, if we're gonna get the ball security that we're getting out of
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our current backs, like, I'd rather have Jadarian out there when he's healthy.
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Like, if you're gonna get the turnovers anyways, I'd might
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as well take the explosiveness.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, Mike's saying need to know where the ball is- We're talk-
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and when the guy was down.
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Yeah.
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No, no, we're talking about when the ball goes out of bounds, right?
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Like it- Out of bounds or over the goal line … it breaks the plane.
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Yeah, it's- Right, like breaks that out of bounds plane.
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The, the chips in the ball would absolutely solve that
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issue, but I, I don't know.
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Maybe, maybe we need more chips.
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It- maybe there's a lot more complicated m- factors that we need to think about.
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I don't know.
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They figure it out for my dog.
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Yeah, but I, I think what he's saying is you need to know where the knee is,
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whether they're down, where it's, where it is in relation, like how having that
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all timed up might be difficult to, - I don't think that'd be difficult.
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Like if the guy's knee goes down, you can see the timestamp, and
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then you just, you know, see where the ball is at that timestamp.
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Like, I don't- Yeah … I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It, it's, it's…
20:42
You know, for as much…
20:43
Th- they have trouble, like, measuring a, a, you know, the chains when it's
20:47
going to the electronic measurement, and we know- I can't stand it
20:50
how long that that takes, so that's, I, I'm, I- What was wrong with the chains?
20:54
I, I'm, I'm for the manual chains, so that's why- Yeah … I'm thinking
20:57
that once we chip the ball, it's gonna introduce all this other
21:00
kinda stuff to where we go, "Oh my gosh, I wish we just had our normal
21:03
football back without the chip."
21:05
I don't know.
21:05
I'd be willing to give it a rip.
21:06
If it doesn't work, that's fine.
21:07
Yeah.
21:07
But, yeah, a- again, the spot on the fourth down, not the reason at
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all that this team lost this football game in any way, shape, or form.
21:16
You can't turn the ball over four times and expect to win a football game.
21:19
Like, so we basically now have, dropped two out of the last
21:23
three, and the first one that we dropped is because of turnovers.
21:27
Then, the next game, we barely eke out and win, even though it felt like a loss
21:32
because of penalties, and then we lose this game primarily because of turnovers.
21:37
So those are all three, three games there that are all within your
21:42
control to some degree, and you're letting it slip out of your grasp.
21:46
it, it's gotta be a tough pill for Coach Mike to swallow when the defense
21:51
as a whole is playing pretty well.
21:53
Yeah.
21:53
And in a game where I, I think that this could have a strong
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impact on playoff seeding.
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This is a game at home.
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It's one you should win, especially if, if you were to not turn the ball
22:06
over the way that you did, and now they're in a hole in the division where
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you're two games back of the leader.
22:13
You know, if the Rams somehow, they're able to beat the Bills, then
22:16
you're tied with the Rams, and, it, it feels like we played better
22:20
than the Rams overall to this point.
22:22
HardgeCD, with the $10 Super Chat.
22:26
Back in.
22:26
Back in, yeah.
22:27
Wow.
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executive producer for the show.
22:30
Take that credit.
22:30
I'm mostly pissed that Purdy is still undefeated at Lumen.
22:34
I know, regular season.
22:36
I don't know why that's an important distinction- … but evidently it is.
22:40
No, it's really funny.
22:41
I mean, a- again, it kinda just shows you how stats can lie, to a degree, right?
22:46
You can find a stat to support just about anything that you, you want it to support.
22:50
But yeah, the- It felt like Kyle Shanahan was outclassed in this
22:55
game, you know, when it came to Mike's defense versus his offense,
23:00
pretty much the entire football game, and yet you still end up losing.
23:04
that gets difficult.
23:05
I mean, maybe this was, Fleury the mole, that, was dooming
23:11
us here in this particular football game, but- I, I don't know if he could
23:15
have, coached Holani into that fumble, despite running the play.
23:19
Like you, you still, you shouldn't fumble the ball right there, even if you
23:23
decide to run the play that they did.
23:25
and Sam doesn't, definitely doesn't need to turn it over at the, at the
23:29
first pass, for, for each half.
23:32
Nick's coming in saying, "Do you guys really think we can turn things around?
23:36
This seems to be who this team is this year."
23:40
has, through, five games, have, have we defined our Seahawks team, Adam?
23:45
So we're what?
23:47
26.5%
23:49
through the season since it's, you know, the, it, it's not neatly broken
23:52
up into four-game stretches anymore.
23:54
I feel like teams usually have two to three lives throughout a season in
23:58
terms of how they're playing and what it looks like, and yeah, absolutely
24:03
this football team can turn this around.
24:06
again, it's not like you're getting blowed out.
24:08
You barely lost to the Commanders, you barely lose to the 49ers, and
24:13
it's not like you played your best ball and still just didn't come
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up, as big as you wanted to.
24:20
This is, you played terrible football on offense in two of those, in both of
24:25
the losses, and you just barely lost.
24:28
So that feels like something that is fixable, especially when there are,
24:33
there is cavalry on the way between Price and Charbonnet coming back.
24:37
I do think that helps settle Sam down eventually as well.
24:41
Yeah.
24:41
Fernando saying, "So far I would take Joe Mixon's foot over Holani's hands."
24:46
I thought that was funny.
24:47
Kevin saying, "It seems like we had a quarterback for the first
24:50
two games of the season who didn't throw two interceptions a game."
24:53
that's a true fact.
24:55
I- Mm-hmm … I think you get to a point, I don't know when that
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point is though, to where you have to say, "This is not acceptable.
25:04
We have to move to Drew."
25:06
back-to-back games?
25:09
Two more- Two more?
25:10
Two more, two more games of multiple turnovers out of Sam.
25:13
- Yeah … and, and not only that, but like, they've gotta be, they've gotta be
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like the turnovers that he's committing right now, where you're just like,
25:21
like the second interception- Right, it's not off a dude's hands and into a
25:23
defender or those kind of interceptions.
25:25
Right.
25:25
You're, no, you're talking about where you throw it to the other
25:28
team to start one of the halves.
25:29
Yeah.
25:30
So look, the second interception.
25:33
Arroyo runs a just god-awful route.
25:36
That, that's a terrible route.
25:38
Like, when you square that off and start running to the sideline,
25:41
like, you have to get horizontal or even start coming downhill to the
25:46
quarterback- Right, you don't allow the defender then to get underneath.
25:48
That's right.
25:49
And instead he drifts way up field.
25:51
It's an awful route.
25:52
With that said, even if he had run a good route, the ball was far enough behind
25:56
Arroyo that it wouldn't have mattered.
25:58
Like- Right … so that's wh- again, one of those turnovers that I would
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say, "Damn, Sam," like, that's not good.
26:04
And you get two more games of that and I think it's, I think it's time to
26:08
call for Lock or Milroe, you know?
26:11
Yeah.
26:12
Two more games.
26:12
Okay.
26:13
I, I felt like, we could get to at least- So we aren't, calling for it,
26:19
you know, seeming to call for it.
26:22
We, we have- we've put some guidelines together now for, for ourselves.
26:25
It sounds like for some of the people in chat, they've already,
26:28
found that distinction and that they're ready to move on.
26:30
But I think that just for the sake of your team, like the buy-in feels
26:35
like it's with Sam as being the better quarterback, and I, I just wonder if,
26:43
we would end up with a better outcome overall if, yeah, if- Are we winning
26:48
a Super Bowl if we go to Drew Lock?
26:51
Yeah, that's…
26:51
And that's, I guess, the question.
26:53
Are you more likely to win a Super Bowl with Drew Lock?
26:55
I mean, maybe you could say yes at this point, but then again, like
26:59
we've seen Sam win a Super Bowl as a- … starting quarterback and
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have back-to-back fantastic seasons.
27:06
What we haven't seen is Drew Lock ever put together a stretch of football like that.
27:10
We saw him play two good games.
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That's great.
27:13
Yeah, one good game.
27:14
But- One okay game.
27:15
Fair enough.
27:16
Fair enough.
27:17
And that's no guarantee.
27:19
I'm not sure it even makes you better per se, because Drew's bugaboo is the
27:24
same bugaboo that Sam Darnold has.
27:27
Drew's a turnover machine at his time in Denver.
27:30
That's how he ended up in Seattle, and that's why he's not a
27:32
starter in this league right now.
27:34
Right.
27:34
And so, yeah, that's why you made the qualifier, I think, well, maybe Milroe.
27:39
But, also why he slipped to the third round.
27:43
Right?
27:44
but we also, also have seen the growth out of Milroe.
27:47
We don't have a zillion seasons of Sam Darnold to look at and say,
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"Okay, this is aggregate what he is."
27:53
Same with Drew Lock.
27:54
Milroe's a bit of an unknown.
27:56
But if we wanna talk about Sam's struggles, like we gotta
27:59
start wondering, like is this a little bit of a Fleury issue?
28:03
Is he having a hard time processing these reads?
28:07
Like, is it…
28:08
Is it not set up in his mind that makes sense?
28:10
Because it looks like he's, he's so slow at his processing right now,
28:14
and isn't trusting what he's seeing.
28:16
We heard last year time and time again, and it's the way the West Coast
28:20
quarterbacking is done, you have to listen to your feet, and it doesn't
28:23
feel like he's hearing his feet at all.
28:25
Like, he's so out of rhythm.
28:28
Yeah.
28:29
So,
28:32
yeah, I, I'm not quite sure.
28:34
I think part of the reason was there's some frustration in
28:37
Northern Primate saying, "Safe to say this isn't the same Sam."
28:40
I think we were expecting- But it kind of is, though It kind of
28:43
is, but it also, it's not the Sam that we saw through the playoffs.
28:47
And I think that after the playoffs, after the Super Bowl win, this
28:51
off-season we were talking about how, okay, this, this should give
28:56
Sam the boost that he really needs.
28:58
Like, we should see this confidence boost in Sam to be like, "Okay, I'm the
29:02
guy, and I'm the leader of this team.
29:04
And, you know, I'm gonna rip it and, feel confident about my throws."
29:09
And then for these first couple games, coming back after injury, you,
29:15
you don't, you don't get that feeling.
29:18
It's true.
29:18
also too, this feels a lot like the Sam Darnold all the way through
29:22
the first Rams game Right It's, I mean, so it does, it does feel like
29:28
this is the same old Sam to a degree.
29:30
Yeah.
29:31
And you would hope, you would hope that, yeah, that run in the playoffs
29:34
and no turnovers would carry over to the next year, but it, it certainly isn't.
29:38
And I think, you know, seeing a stretch of turnover-free football in the
29:42
playoffs is not more indicative of who Sam is than, let's say, I don't know,
29:47
his entire career, where he's been a turnover machine all the way back to USC.
29:52
Yeah.
29:53
It's who Sam is.
29:55
DCH in chat saying, "I still believe in Sam.
29:58
Sharps and Price will settle this.
29:59
No need to jump ship yet flock."
30:01
And I think there's something to this too.
30:03
It, that, that's why I was saying it's important to set up sideboards because I
30:08
think- Yeah … that DCH is right here.
30:10
Like, if you, if you get Sam out there with a competent run game, and
30:14
you have, Charbonnet back, and he's not turning o- the ball over,
30:19
you have that complimentary piece in Price, and they're not turning it over.
30:22
Like, having that as the, the basis of the offense then to where Sam can
30:28
maybe feel a little more comfortable slinging the ball from the pocket
30:31
and not feeling like, you know, he's, he's gotta make something happen in
30:35
s- in certain situations, that, …
30:38
Waiting for that point, though, at this point, could be hard.
30:41
It, again, they gave this game away.
30:45
Okay, if we're gonna speak more about the sideboards here.
30:48
Okay.
30:48
Like, let's say Sam has two really sharp games- Mm-hmm … and
30:51
then two more games like this.
30:53
Are we…
30:54
Like, does that count?
30:55
Like, because he put the two good ones?
30:57
Or is it just, like, two more consecutive ones and that's it, that's all?
31:00
Yeah.
31:01
that's a good question.
31:04
Okay.
31:04
Well, I don't know.
31:05
I, I guess- Yeah … I have to wait and see.
31:07
I think what DCH is saying, we have to kind of wait till we get to that point
31:10
with the run game to where that is, a, you know, complimentary Yeah, so,
31:17
so we're basically talking, what, another three to five weeks, depending
31:22
on when Sharps is back, and then once Jarry comes back- Well, Sharps could be
31:24
back technically for the Denver game.
31:26
I don't know if he will be, but maybe it'll give him- Oh,
31:28
no, he's still way, Brandan.
31:29
I don't know if you saw the one photo that shows that one leg is way smaller
31:33
than the other, although one leg was up and flexed, and the other one wasn't.
31:36
And so, like, it's totally atrophied because he didn't work with- Yeah
31:39
professional, rehab people apparently or something.
31:42
It is the dumbest thing.
31:43
Okay, I did not see that photo floating around.
31:46
Oh my God, yeah, you know.
31:48
The Twitterista out there was, was getting after that one, I guess.
31:52
Well, that's fun.
31:52
I'll have to go and check out, Zach Sharps's leg photos.
31:56
But, I could imagine he's maybe not quite ready to be back for Denver.
32:02
And, if he is, it's not like we're gonna get a steady dose of
32:05
him in the very first game back.
32:07
So, yeah, again, we'll go say, and I think I heard that Sharps
32:12
should be back after the Denver game.
32:14
So that would make sense 'cause then you have- Yeah … the, you know, the
32:18
extended, not technically a bye week, but you do have the week and a half
32:22
between, that and your next game.
32:24
That's right.
32:25
That's right.
32:26
I like this que- if we need Sharps and Price, this is from The Snail, if we
32:29
need Sharps and Price to make this go, we need to get another top-end running back.
32:33
Let me, let me float something at you here, Brandan.
32:35
Okay.
32:36
This is crazy.
32:37
So the Eagles are in fire sale mode.
32:40
Are they, though?
32:41
I, they're clearly in a, we're moving on to a new era of Eagles football.
32:47
Yeah.
32:47
Well, they, Cam Jurgens- We'll say- … though, was a disaster
32:50
at guard, and so I think that they were ready to make that move anyway.
32:54
But he was, he moved to center.
32:56
Did he move to center for Philly?
32:58
Yeah.
32:58
Mm-hmm, and that's exactly why the Ravens traded for him is because
33:01
they were desperate for a- Yeah, they wanted him to play center
33:02
for a center.
33:02
I thought he had been playing guard, though.
33:04
No, he, he'd been playing center.
33:05
Hmm.
33:05
And then, Lane Johnson retires.
33:07
I mean, their entire organization's a mess.
33:09
They already traded AJ Brown, Jalen Hurts ain't it.
33:12
Like, we've seen the wheels fall off of that.
33:14
Like, I don't know.
33:16
Can we get Saquon?
33:17
Y- yeah, a Saquon trade anyone?
33:18
Like, I don't know.
33:19
Man, what do you gotta give up- I know it's crazy … to do that?
33:21
I don't, I don't know about that.
33:22
I know.
33:23
there's a lot of, consequences that could come with
33:25
that, but something to think about.
33:26
If it's, if it's, not a lot in terms of draft capital, you
33:30
might be able to convince me.
33:32
Yeah.
33:33
I'm sure it would have to be- I mean, the reason- I don't know if
33:36
you're thinking about a busted contract … Natasha's saying no to Barkley is
33:38
injury prone and is injured now.
33:39
I mean, that's- Fair … that's part of the reason why that he
33:41
would be available in trade, though.
33:43
That's true.
33:44
It, it, look, I'm just saying if we're gonna entertain the idea of,
33:46
like, you need to get a top end back to, you know, make this happen,
33:50
for the offense, then, you know, - You gotta look at which ones would
33:56
be available, and, there's not a bunch of them that, that would be.
34:00
Got Niner fan- You have a couple … Brandon in chat saying, "I
34:02
thought you guys were gonna repeat."
34:03
The season ain't over, buddy.
34:04
I know.
34:05
I love, I love Niner fan.
34:06
Look, you guys got an early season win last year, and it was adorable.
34:11
And, and then you still got owned.
34:13
Congratulations on your early win this year that was, basically gift-wrapped.
34:17
You made some plays too.
34:18
Like, I'm not just saying that, you know, you guys
34:20
don't deserve some credit here.
34:22
But, I wouldn't be hoisting that Lombardi quite yet, boys.
34:26
Like, good luck.
34:28
Marlon in chat saying, "Jonathan Taylor."
34:30
Hey, I would, I would absolutely trade for Jonathan Taylor.
34:32
I ain't trading him.
34:33
I don't think the Colts are…
34:33
They aren't trading him.
34:35
No, they're not.
34:35
You're, you're not getting Jonathan Taylor from the Colts.
34:37
You're not getting Bijan Robinson from the Falcons.
34:39
No.
34:39
it…
34:40
Tho- those things probably aren't happening, and, yeah,
34:44
should've just resigned Ken Walker.
34:45
If he wanted to.
34:47
If he wanted to, yeah, that's…
34:49
It, it, it could've been a two-way street type of thing- Yeah
34:52
for sure.
34:53
What's Phil got here?
34:54
"Sam had some great throws and plays, but he just looked,
34:57
in full confident command yet.
34:59
But he hasn't looked like in full con- confident command yet.
35:02
that's where the bun cheeks decisions are coming from.
35:05
He and Fleury will solve this still."
35:07
It…
35:07
Yeah, we do have to remember Fleury's going through some growth himself here,
35:11
and, you know, the offense didn't look fantastic, on all cylinders the
35:16
early part of last year with Super Bowl champion Klint Kubiak, who's now
35:19
doing an awesome job with the Raiders.
35:20
yeah, there's a- Took the L today.
35:23
They got, they got beat, pretty badly by the Patriots today.
35:26
So the Patriots win, is looking a lot better as the season goes on.
35:31
Yeah, I suppose so.
35:32
no, Drake, Drake has enough distance now from his two games against
35:36
the Seahawks to, find his confidence again, so good for him, I guess.
35:41
Yeah, we, ha- got Matt in Beaverton saying, "What was our
35:43
record at this time last year?"
35:45
Yes, it was in fact, 3-2 coming off the loss to the Tampa Bay Bucs, and that
35:51
ended up working out just fine, didn't it?
35:53
we got Harjas CD coming back in with a $10 super chat.
35:57
Also, cue the we should've paid week instead of Josh Jobe.
36:01
Josh got owned by a first Ballot Hall of Famer that one time talk.
36:05
I…
36:06
Look, Josh Jobe got beat in this game.
36:08
I think that Woolen, y- he got beat pretty good, in, - We lost the first game
36:14
because of Reekitt and just boneheaded, lost his space on the field and- That's
36:19
right … messed it up for us And, it was their, their tight end that
36:22
ended up scoring the go-ahead touchdown.
36:24
Tanjas, yeah.
36:25
Tanjas.
36:26
Yeah, super frustrating.
36:27
yeah, it, it does highlight though that there is a potential mismatch for
36:33
this defense going forward, and that is, you know, more big bodied receivers
36:37
against a smaller co- corner in Jobe.
36:39
And, Mike Evans took advantage of that all day.
36:42
He was the only answer the 49ers had on offense, like full stop.
36:48
Yeah.
36:49
I, the, the numbers for McCaffrey at the end of the day, 11 carries, 68 yards.
36:55
6.,
36:56
6.2
36:57
yards per carry, so that's decent.
36:58
He had the touchdown run.
37:00
Kaelon Black was under three yards per carry.
37:04
He did have one 11-yard run.
37:06
So they held the team in total.
37:09
I thought they would try and get Deebo the ball a little bit more, but he
37:12
ended up leaving early due to injury.
37:14
94 rushing yards on the day.
37:17
And yeah, out of 189 passing yards, 113 of those went to Evans.
37:23
Kittle was the next most with 24 yards on five receptions.
37:28
Yeah, and I didn't know how much Evans was gonna be able to participate in this game.
37:33
You know, I, I, you know, tip of the cap once again to his effort last
37:37
week and then what he did this week.
37:39
and to Tasha's point here, Evans pushing off like crazy all game.
37:43
a true fact.
37:46
But They will not call that.
37:48
They're not gonna call that in this league.
37:50
This is an offensive centric league and OPI, like, you never see it.
37:55
Like, it's so- No, especially the way he does it.
37:57
It's kind of- Mm-hmm … like he doesn't fully extend his arms.
38:00
He, he does it just to make enough space.
38:02
That's kind of, y- the Hall of Fame type receivers know how to
38:05
do that and get away with it.
38:07
we got Hall of Fame executive producer coming in.
38:10
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38:11
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38:15
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38:16
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38:20
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38:51
I don't know … it's a short week, and we're gonna be traveling to Denver, so
38:55
we can go to the game on Thursday, Adam.
38:56
That's right.
38:57
It's, what?
38:58
12, 13 hours from my place.
39:00
I think it's, what, 14, 15 hours from your place via car?
39:04
But you're flying.
39:05
Yeah, except I'm, I'm driving to Seattle than flying, so, just so I can be in
39:09
Seattle for the weekend after the game.
39:11
Mm.
39:11
So yeah, I, I get to a roundabout way to Denver.
39:15
Yeah, yeah.
39:16
So, it's gonna be a little chaotic, but stick with us.
39:19
We're gonna have more shows for you.
39:20
it's a little like this Hawks team.
39:22
Like, yep, little chaotic at the beginning of the year.
39:24
They still have a winning record.
39:25
They're right there at the top of the division.
39:27
It's not like they got blowed out by this 49ers team.
39:29
It's not like they were outclassed by this 49ers team the entire game.
39:33
In fact, it looked like they were gonna win this game, late in the game.
39:37
You know, lot of reasons to be possible.
39:39
This defense is still ballin', and they are frickin' for real.
39:44
And it's just gonna take a minute for this offense to find its legs and to find
39:48
guys with legs to carry the rock and, get this running game jump-started.
39:53
Definitely a championship defense that we will look forward to
39:56
watch throughout the season.
39:57
One more thing before we go, Adam.
39:59
Yeah.
40:00
Denver, coming up on Thursday.
40:02
Okay.
40:02
It's gonna be in their house.
40:03
Mm-hmm.
40:04
How, what is the confidence level coming out of this game, knowing that,
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and especially as we've watched Denver over this year, over last year- Mm-hmm
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when they play at home, and even if you get out to a relatively
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comfortable lead against them- Yeah … in Mile High- That's
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right … those guys always fight back.
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And, we saw it in the Rams game, where Rams get up 16 points and you think, "Oh,
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yeah, the Rams have this in the bag."
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And then Denver just finds a way, and, allegedly Sean Payton took back
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over the offensive play calling this week.
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I don't know if that ends up being in flux now going into this week, or if
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he's just going to, because they beat the Chargers by a touchdown, that now
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it's Sean Payton's offense to call again.
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Yeah.
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Sean, did not entertain that play calling thing for very long in
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terms of it not being in his hands and, which is hilarious and not surprising.
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you asked my confidence level, I'd say about a six and a half.
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Like, you know, they, slightly above average.
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Like, this team has all the resources to go in there and, and beat- As long
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as it's out of 10 and not out of 100.
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I, I will accept six and a half.
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Yeah, no, out of a 10.
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Everything's out of a 10.
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They…
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100 is, you know, just gratuitous.
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Like, you don't need that many points to, you know- Well, then you
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could go 65 … to grade a team.
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You don't have to use half points.
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What's wrong with a half point?
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I f- I…
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Some people don't like decimals.
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Well, those people are Nazis.
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And, look it up.
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It's true.
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And I think with that…
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There's only one thing left to say.
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Go Hawks.
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Go Hawks