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What's Up With Youtube? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome is Stephane
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  Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeart Radio. And today we
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  Speaker 1: are continuing our tech kick, which feels like it's never ending.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, we keep adding things. You're right, we do,
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  Speaker 1: we do, but it's all fascinating stuff. And I will
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  Speaker 1: say this one, which is about YouTube, It was very
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  Speaker 1: difficult to research because Google owns YouTube. So when you
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  Speaker 1: type in like, hey, YouTube women, all it is is
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  Speaker 1: like videos from YouTube with women in the right. So
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  Speaker 1: it was tricky. Yeah, you know what TikTok is similar
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  Speaker 1: to that. When you try to find information on TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: it takes you to TikTok and like things about that
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  Speaker 1: subject on TikTok. Mm hmmm, we're speaking up. We have
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  Speaker 1: any TikTok now told us right, Yes we do, thanks
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  Speaker 1: to Joey who has been on the show, who is
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  Speaker 1: amazing and patient. You can go check us out there
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  Speaker 1: at stuff mom never told you. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah we're there as well. Um YouTube a lot, Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the thing. I do use YouTube a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but it's very specific things. Um. I have used it
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  Speaker 1: to listen to music, so way back when before licensing
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  Speaker 1: was a thing and people were really like and YouTube
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  Speaker 1: got really aware of that. I would listen to songs
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  Speaker 1: that I couldn't find. Um. Now, of course Spotify has
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  Speaker 1: more songs, but like some songs you couldn't find on Spotify,
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  Speaker 1: Beyonce songs were not available there, so I would go
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  Speaker 1: to YouTube and listen to it there. Um at night,
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  Speaker 1: I like their deep sleep sounds. Set that on a
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  Speaker 1: timer and they have a lot of dark screens. So
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  Speaker 1: I use it like that. Um My partner uses it NonStop.
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  Speaker 1: But that's that's it. Like I don't do things outside
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  Speaker 1: of that, huh. I use YouTube quite a bit actually,
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  Speaker 1: um it's a thing that I have a love hate
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  Speaker 1: relationship with and we're going to talk about that because
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  Speaker 1: I do feel like, as as a viewer who doesn't
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  Speaker 1: pay for like the expensive I don't know expensive, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't pay for the service to not have ads,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like they time the ads at the worst
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  Speaker 1: specific place on purpose. And I've even looked up like
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  Speaker 1: on Reddit does YouTube do this purposefully? There's no real
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  Speaker 1: answer yet. Yeah, I think I know it's gotten longer.
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  Speaker 1: That used to be able to skip. Now you don't
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  Speaker 1: have that option as much. I do want a correction
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  Speaker 1: because I do watch Hot Ones. Oh yeah, huh uh.
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  Speaker 1: And that is a series I've watched a lot on
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  Speaker 1: there because they that's where they originated. Yes, so I
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  Speaker 1: love that series as well as Binging with Babish. Those
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  Speaker 1: are the two shows and I will watch, Yes, those
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  Speaker 1: are those are pretty great ones. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: great stuff on YouTube. I watched. I watch a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. Actually it's one of my biggest Like probably
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  Speaker 1: every morning I watch a bunch of YouTube videos, which
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  Speaker 1: is not the case for a lot of people. I've learned.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that is. That is like my go too. That's
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  Speaker 1: my morning routine. Um yeah yeah uh. Content warning before
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  Speaker 1: we get into this one. General grossness. The same thing
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  Speaker 1: in our past Tech episodes. If you're like a woman
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  Speaker 1: or marginalized person on the internet, you know what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about. Brief discussion of very disturbing content pedophilia, sexual assault. Um,
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to get too much into detail, but
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  Speaker 1: just so you know, you can see our past episodes
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  Speaker 1: on Airbnb, Twitch, Evan rachel Wood and Tech Accountability, YouTube
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  Speaker 1: Beauty Grows, Single Use hate Accounts and Megan Markle the
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  Speaker 1: Amber heard trial. It's involved in this where Samantha knows
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  Speaker 1: I have a very hilarious, spicy outline coming up about
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  Speaker 1: d C Phantom. Oh yeah, Oh it's gonna be great. Also,
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  Speaker 1: we typically try to focus on intersectional feminist issues in
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  Speaker 1: our episodes for what I hope are obvious reasons, and
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  Speaker 1: I think pretty much everything could be that. But YouTube
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of issues, so we're going to discuss
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  Speaker 1: some of them. But just so you know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot going on here that we could get into. We
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  Speaker 1: didn't have time for this, but there's a lot. It
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  Speaker 1: was one of those ones where I think I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'll get this done in two days, and I start
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  Speaker 1: opening tabs, I'm like, oh, no, been there. And I
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  Speaker 1: did want to start with a pretty brief explanation of
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  Speaker 1: my YouTube experience because a good chunk of my job
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  Speaker 1: at in my current it's it's so confusing because we've
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  Speaker 1: been acquired by so many companies, but I've essentially been
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  Speaker 1: working with the same group of people for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Was YouTube based and I ran the stuff one Never
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  Speaker 1: told You YouTube, and so I'm going to be inserting
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  Speaker 1: a lot of personal experience in this one. Off the top.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that my boss is some of my
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  Speaker 1: bosses treated this much more seriously than I thought it
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  Speaker 1: had any warrant to be treated. Kristen, who was in
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  Speaker 1: the videos and I was filming them and editing them, well,
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  Speaker 1: she filmed a lot of them. I was editing them primarily. Um,
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  Speaker 1: she was told to like wear makeup and get her
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  Speaker 1: hair done, all of this kind of stuff. We were
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  Speaker 1: instructed on, like the best thumbnails to use, which were
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  Speaker 1: generally like quote pretty looking thumbnails or something so people
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  Speaker 1: would click on them. Um. We did run into a
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  Speaker 1: couple of copyright issues, which I'll talk about more later.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, uh, probably a lot of people know
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  Speaker 1: by now because it's become sort of a conversation topic.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of videos you watch that look like
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  Speaker 1: it's just vlogging where they edited and do it themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Are not. There's like a huge team behind it, and
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  Speaker 1: they don't. The team doesn't get credited. I was never
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  Speaker 1: credited on anything, I don't think. Um, And that's just
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  Speaker 1: like how it is. I had to go through YouTube
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  Speaker 1: training every year and it's almost boring thing you can
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  Speaker 1: imagine and you can't skip it. Oh my gosh, but
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  Speaker 1: I did get an award. I want a YouTube award.
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  Speaker 1: I still have it. It's pretty cool. I mean it
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  Speaker 1: looks pretty cool. On the not so fun side, I
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  Speaker 1: did experience a lot of harassment. One of my very
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  Speaker 1: favorite comments, as I've said before, i've ever got and
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  Speaker 1: was I know the producer and she's a slut. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah whatever. And also I did get doxed. I got
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  Speaker 1: doxed based on YouTube video that we posted. That wasn't
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  Speaker 1: that inflammatory. Um. And then accessibility was a thing I
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  Speaker 1: was really passionate about when I was doing those videos.
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  Speaker 1: So I would you would listen to the video and
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  Speaker 1: type out the closed captions and that was something I
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  Speaker 1: kind of did and didn't get compensated for, but it
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  Speaker 1: was really important for me to do it. But that
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  Speaker 1: is a big issue with YouTube, and that's a big
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  Speaker 1: issue with the show. And we've tried to get transcripts
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  Speaker 1: with um middling success because for a while we had
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  Speaker 1: them before you and I were host, there were transcripts
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  Speaker 1: and now they are not, so that's an issue as well.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's kind of my brief encapsulation of my time.
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  Speaker 1: I like I said, I have a bunch of I
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  Speaker 1: have a bunch of comments throughout this one. But okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's start with a very quick rundown of the history
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  Speaker 1: of YouTube, which I found kind of surprising. So YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: which is an online video sharing platform that allows for commenting,
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  Speaker 1: liking and disliking, sharing, making playlists, all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you know what YouTube is, was founded
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  Speaker 1: by Chad Hurley, Steve Chen and Jawd cut him in
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  Speaker 1: early two thousand five. A little over a year later,
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  Speaker 1: Google purchased YouTube for a staggering one point six five
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  Speaker 1: billion dollars, and it started as a dating website. Yeah. So,
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  Speaker 1: the idea was users would upload videos of themselves talking
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  Speaker 1: about their dream partners. The slogan was tuned in hook
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  Speaker 1: up um, and I was struck once again about how
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  Speaker 1: humans and especially dudes, desire for sex really runs so
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  Speaker 1: much stuff. It's wild. The dating aspect failed even after
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  Speaker 1: they offered women twenty dollars to upload videos, but the
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  Speaker 1: video uploading system was excellent, so they decided to open
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  Speaker 1: it up to any video. And they decided this in
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  Speaker 1: part because after the two thousand four Janet Jackson justin
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  Speaker 1: Timberlake Super Bowl incidents, they couldn't find video of it anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: so they thought, Hey, we could be the place people
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  Speaker 1: put videos like that and you can watch them. U
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  Speaker 1: Karim at the Zoo, a short video of one of
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  Speaker 1: the creators at the Zoo, was YouTube's first official video.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah uh. Several studies have found that the reasons people
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  Speaker 1: use YouTube are quote information seeking, sharing, information, status seeking
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  Speaker 1: like that whole first thing, uh, social interaction, and entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: Just by the way, So yeah, YouTube is huge. Behind Google,
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  Speaker 1: it is the second most popular website in the world.
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  Speaker 1: As early as two thousand and six, the site was
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  Speaker 1: getting about twenty million monthly visit. There's one billion hours
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  Speaker 1: of daily consumed content as of three about fifty six
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  Speaker 1: percent mail to female. That same year, the first targeted
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  Speaker 1: ad campaigns launched by major companies took off, and Time
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  Speaker 1: featured YouTube as Person of the Year um and in eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: YouTube made twice the amount of revenue than any major
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  Speaker 1: television network. Numbers from twenty nineteen found that five hundred
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  Speaker 1: hours of content was uploaded each minute, and the company
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  Speaker 1: makes an estimated fifteen billion in revenue annually, although a
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  Speaker 1: lot of that is supposed to go back to the creators.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty seven percent of Americans rely on it as a
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  Speaker 1: news source. Yes, And honestly, there are so many numbers
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  Speaker 1: we could throw at you, um, so many awards we
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  Speaker 1: could throw at you, and moments in history about YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: like did you know Rick Rolling started in two thousand eight?
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  Speaker 1: Ganka Style was the first videotive pass a billion views.
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  Speaker 1: But the basic takeaway here is it's a big deal
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  Speaker 1: and it makes a lot of money. Um. It has
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  Speaker 1: also been the source of a lot of conversation and
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  Speaker 1: controversy since it's founding. One of the big things that
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  Speaker 1: has hounded YouTube is copyright issues. Um, how they handle copyright,
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  Speaker 1: What you can upload, what will get you in trouble,
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  Speaker 1: will get your videos taken down? Um? When I was
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  Speaker 1: working there, uh, it was a three strength system, but
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  Speaker 1: it was very wild West and what you could get
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  Speaker 1: away with, what random thing would get you in trouble? Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you would get mistakenly flagged or a video would
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  Speaker 1: be taken down without warning or any clear reason, which
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  Speaker 1: may or may not have had to do with their
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  Speaker 1: massive copyright library. So basically they have like this huge
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  Speaker 1: a library that just like searches for oh you're playing
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  Speaker 1: this copyrighted item, take it down. But it does make
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  Speaker 1: mistake in my experience. It made some stay. Probably it's improved.
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  Speaker 1: I should say It's been about a goody about like
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  Speaker 1: seven years since I've been doing this job, so I
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  Speaker 1: bet a lot of things have changed since I've been
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  Speaker 1: doing it. Another big problem YouTube has has to do
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  Speaker 1: with their recommended videos function, because there have been reports
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  Speaker 1: about it pushing things like conspiracy theories, are lies, promoting
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  Speaker 1: violent or sexual content to children, pedophilic content, and things
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  Speaker 1: like we discussed in Bridget's episode about Evan Rachel would
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  Speaker 1: that YouTube is making money off of a video she
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  Speaker 1: alleges depicts her sexual assault and they won't take it
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  Speaker 1: down even though she said, like hey. In twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: YouTube announced they would recommend fewer videos that quote could
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  Speaker 1: misinform users and harmful ways. This came after rising concerns
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  Speaker 1: that platforms like YouTube relating to offline violence, death, and radicalization. This,
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  Speaker 1: of course led to heated discussion around free speech and
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  Speaker 1: confirmation in some conspiracy theorist minds that they were being censored,
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  Speaker 1: like so here's the proof, right right. So this was
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  Speaker 1: after a Google engineer posted a ten page manifesto in
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  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen criticizing the company's diversity initiatives, claiming it discriminated
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  Speaker 1: against white men. That led to the YouTube CEO's daughter
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  Speaker 1: asking mom, is it true that there are biological reasons
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  Speaker 1: why there are fewer women in tech and leaderships? But
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  Speaker 1: many pointed out that the engineer may have been in
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  Speaker 1: part radicalized by YouTube and its algorithm. He was fired
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  Speaker 1: and became an alt right hero. As far as the
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  Speaker 1: disturbing content served a children goes, these videos often feature
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  Speaker 1: beloved children's cartoon characters in violent and or sex rule situations.
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  Speaker 1: One such video featured a woman with a mini mouse
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  Speaker 1: head getting stuck in an escalator and bleeding profusely. It
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  Speaker 1: got millions of views in one day and could be
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  Speaker 1: viewed in the kid friendly mode. UM. Other videos depict
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  Speaker 1: Pepper Pig tricked into eating bacon, um the suicide attempt
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  Speaker 1: of a Paw Patrol character. A lot of these videos
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  Speaker 1: are discovered through AutoPlay or the recommended video sidebar, so
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  Speaker 1: after you've watched legitimate content, you find these videos. Some
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  Speaker 1: tests found that a toddler went from viewing one of
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  Speaker 1: his favorite legitimate videos to a video depicting stomach parasites,
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  Speaker 1: eye gouging, and kids setting each other on fire. And
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  Speaker 1: only a few clicks. Um, and that video had twenty
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  Speaker 1: million views. And that's part of the problem is that
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  Speaker 1: these videos get pushed because they have so many views,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how YouTube's algorithm works. In parts, YouTube post
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  Speaker 1: millions of hours of children's entertainment, and much of this
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  Speaker 1: content makes a lot of money. YouTube claims it's difficult
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  Speaker 1: to change their algorithm and largely remove these videos on
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  Speaker 1: a case by case basis, which isn't going to fix
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  Speaker 1: the problem. It also puts more pressure on the guardian
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  Speaker 1: to view the media with the child when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to when you know, that's something you often do to
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  Speaker 1: keep a child busy while you do something else. Um.
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  Speaker 1: On top of that, it's kind of complicated reporting a
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  Speaker 1: video and kids YouTube, and there's no rail way to
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  Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't show up again. You can delete
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  Speaker 1: it from history, you can do all kinds of things
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  Speaker 1: that still might show up again. YouTube has been releasing
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  Speaker 1: improved reporting tools and methods for video blocking in an
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  Speaker 1: attempt to improve the situation. There are plenty of articles
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  Speaker 1: out there about what steps you can take on your
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  Speaker 1: own if this is something you're worried about, but again,
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  Speaker 1: that's sort of putting the impetus on you to do that.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, several art was reported on pedophilic content
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  Speaker 1: running alongside ads for major companies, and the videos showed
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  Speaker 1: children and their underwear and or their genitals with what
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be pedophiles time stamping content in the comments,
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  Speaker 1: basically so other users could click the time stamp to
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  Speaker 1: go to the part in the video where nipples were
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  Speaker 1: exposed or something like that, and then recommending other similar videos,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes exchanging numbers to exchange more videos with each other. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: These videos have thousands, if not millions, of yews, hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of comments, and yes, they are being monetized. You probably
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  Speaker 1: heard about this because the advertisers were not happy to
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  Speaker 1: learn their ads are running on this content. But to
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  Speaker 1: be clear, a lot of these videos, though not all
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  Speaker 1: of them, are pretty innocent, like girls playing twister um
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  Speaker 1: and confused. Girls who uploaded the video will respond to
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  Speaker 1: comments how old are you? They'll answer, or ask a
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  Speaker 1: comment or what grow means? Uh. Many of the comments
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  Speaker 1: are about the child and questions beauty or claim that
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  Speaker 1: they're in love with them, and sometimes they request specific
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  Speaker 1: lighting or outfits for a while searching twister girl on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube auto corrected to little Girl twister and skirt, so
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  Speaker 1: the recommendation system was part of the issue to serving
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  Speaker 1: up other videos seemingly enjoyed by pedophiles. On top of that,
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  Speaker 1: while some channels have been taken down over child abuse,
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  Speaker 1: there are plenty um as of writing this still up
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to quote preteen models, girls bathing or doing stretches
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  Speaker 1: or yoga swimming, things like that. Um YouTube enacted a
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  Speaker 1: policy disabling comments on videos or the comments in question
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  Speaker 1: or overwhelmingly inappropriate, but even so, the algorithms still would
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  Speaker 1: serve up these videos along side others teeming with pedophilic comments.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of the comments aren't in English as a
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  Speaker 1: way to get around the disabling, but several of them are. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Another issue advertising because YouTube has a changing and not
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  Speaker 1: very transparent policy on what type of content and videos
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  Speaker 1: can be monetized on their platform, which is primarily how
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  Speaker 1: creators make money. Yeah. YouTube claims it's effective at not
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  Speaker 1: running an ad over inappropriate content, but advertisers have pulled
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  Speaker 1: their ads after they ran against videos containing things like rape,
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  Speaker 1: apologist and a Semitism and terrorism. In seventeen, many big
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  Speaker 1: advertisers told YouTube they would in their relationship if the
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  Speaker 1: platform didn't fix the issue. The solution decided upon was
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  Speaker 1: that YouTube would work more directly with advertisers to make
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  Speaker 1: sure their ads were only placed on the desired content. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and a quick aside here, My experience was you had
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  Speaker 1: very little control over the ads on your videos. As
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  Speaker 1: a creator. You could flag topics you didn't want running
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  Speaker 1: like cigarettes. Um, but what was served on your video
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  Speaker 1: could be fairly random to downright offensive given the content. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And this is an issue we encounter pretty frequently as
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  Speaker 1: a feminis podcast and what advertisers think of when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to women. Um. But basically it was pretty random
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  Speaker 1: with a very difficult reporting system, especially if you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a specific deal with a sponsor. On top of that,
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  Speaker 1: this was how you made money from a random pool
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  Speaker 1: of ads. Again, if you didn't have a specific sponsor,
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  Speaker 1: and plenty of advertisers didn't want to run ads on
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  Speaker 1: feminist videos talking about abortion or honestly feminist videos in general. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: YouTube announces it's going to work more closely with advertisers
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  Speaker 1: to prevent something like these things we've been talking about
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  Speaker 1: happening again. One of their largest creators, Pauti Pie, who
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  Speaker 1: had had preferred advertising status, lost it after he posted
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  Speaker 1: a video with anti Semitic language and imagery in it
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  Speaker 1: and basically preferred advertising. It's like, oh you want that's
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  Speaker 1: like top tier, you want to advertise with this This creator.
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  Speaker 1: On the flip side, creators were worried about how this
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  Speaker 1: policy and demonetization would impact their own revenue. Advertisers could
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  Speaker 1: opt out of specific videos, meaning if a channel about
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  Speaker 1: news wanted to talk about a tragedy, ads could opt out,
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  Speaker 1: which is a financial incentive not to talk about darker
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  Speaker 1: things that we need to talk about. I do understand
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  Speaker 1: that it's strange, like the whole Applebee's Ukraine invasion thing
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  Speaker 1: where they were running seen in at this sec disturbing
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  Speaker 1: imagery and then there was this very in your phase
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  Speaker 1: Outbea's commercial. It is weird, um And we've had these
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  Speaker 1: discussions ourselves about our darker episodes where we don't want
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: specific ads playing in episodes about sexual assault, for instance,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: But at the same time you have to make money,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: so it's just like a it's a strange situation. Creator
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Philip DeFranco reported an eight percent drop in revenue after
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the policy was enacted, and argued that new creators would
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: feel the worst of it. To address the issue, YouTube
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: attempted to make it more transparent to creators what videos
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: were being monetized and which ones weren't. Um, there is
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a process for requesting a review about why a video
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: isn't being monetized, but it's tedious and not without human
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: bias because it requires a human to watch the video
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and then kind of decide like I don't know. On
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: top of that, these reviews were prioritized for bigger creators. UM.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: YouTube did update that the algorithm later, and the update
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: decreased demonetization by thirty percent. And this is something I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: remember working with YouTube is every time a major company,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: not just YouTube, would change their algorithm or policy, we
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: would have to have a very serious meeting about it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Like we would sit down and be like what does
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: this mean? What do we have to do with our keywords?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Like what do we all of these things? Um? And also, yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: we just kind of experienced a meeting like this because
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: smin tea may or may not be uploading episodes to
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: YouTube soon of like our whole are all episodes and yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: we had to talk about it. We had to have
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a whole breakdown of what we're afraid of and what
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: we want to avoid, including about having control about ads
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: because we try really hard to monitor that whether we
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: want to or not, because there's some things that we
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: really miss out on, like oh, dang, I really love
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: that sponsorship, you know what I mean. But we want
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to be very aware, and it's hard to do that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: on something like YouTube when it's so it has its
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: own thing. God, each social media platform it's so hard
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to learn because it's all so different. Yeah yeah, but
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I mean it's so different, but a lot of the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: same issues, right, the same issues, but like different standards. Weird, okay,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But then the reports about pedophilic content broke and the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: company was once again in crisis mode to keep advertisers
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: from bailing. Then logan Paul Yes, one of the most
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: popular vloggers, posted a video of a man who killed
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: himself and he was stripped of his quote preferred advertising status,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and in the wake of this, the platform announced new
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: policies detelling which creators were even eligible to make money.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And by the way, he's still one of their top
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: money makers and just had a whole controversy happened because
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a pig that he had for clout has been shown
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: as being severely abused. Anyway, Creators now had to have
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: over four thousand hours of watch time over the course
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: of a year and a thousand subscribers to receive ads.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Small creators were understandably hurt and outrage, and there was
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a whole host of emotional videos posted about the decision.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: A YouTube official set of the policy quote changes will
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: affect a significant number of channels. Those affected we're making
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: less than a hundred dollars per year in the last year,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: with earning less than two dollars and fifty cents in
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the last month. Creators called the day the policy went
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: into effect the demonetization day. Yeah, that makes sense. Smaller
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: accounts waited up to half a year to have their
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: accounts reviewed to see if they could get ads. Multi
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: channel networks dropped huge amounts of small creators. Numerous creators quit.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: A lot of the smaller or demonetized content is or
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: was created by marginalized folks or around less commercial topics,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and many argue that YouTube is losing what made the YouTube, Yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: because like it's different now, but when it started, it
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: was like when I was reading the history of YouTube,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: they had the first time a trailer from a company
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: appeared on YouTube, Like, it didn't used to be what
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it is now. It used to be like a much
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: more kind of hodgepodge random assortment of videos from various creators,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and now it's you know, it's got a lot of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like movie trailers or clips from these big companies, music videos,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: things like that, which I don't think there's anything necessarily
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: wrong with, but if you're losing all of these small creators,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: then it's just like the scale is tipping in one way. Um.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And just for the record, Sminty had hundreds of thousands
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: of subscribers, tens of thousands, if not millions of views
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: on every video, and we made less than a hundred
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: dollars a year. Right, I think you still have that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: We still have like twin around almost subscribers, which is
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: hilarious because there's not been a video we posted since
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I think Emily introduced themselves as a new host. I
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: think that's the last video. Yeah, it's been a whole
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: process finding out who owns that channel. Now that's a
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: whole different story. It is it is, but I just
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: wanted to put that in there because like we had
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the backing of a pretty big company. There's a whole
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: team dedicated to this pretty much, and we got a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: lot of views and we didn't make that much money,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: so mm hmm. But yeah, okay, so a lot of
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the things we've been talking about do impact women. But
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: let's talk about women and YouTube specifically. There are conflicting
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: numbers when it comes to gender differences in viewership on YouTube.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: One source reports six of users are mail and seventy
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: eight percent of men use it in the US, compared
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to thirty eight percent and sixty percent for women. Google's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: own numbers claim that it's more like fifty fifty, or
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: at least closer to that. Younger people are more likely
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to use YouTube, and location urban versus rural, is a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: big factor as well. In YouTube, CEO Susan Wijitski said
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: or one of the reasons for text lack of women
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: is because of its reputation as being quote a geeky
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: male industry which did not go overwhelmed. Yeah. One of
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the ways these moves around advertising has been theorized to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: impact women is around beauty. Both the pressure of the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: creator to put on makeup where nice, perhaps revealing clothes
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: which are things that are time consuming and often expensive,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: but also to make videos about beauty, like makeup tutorials,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: because they know that those can be monetized. Uh, they
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: might be pressured to use a sexualized thumbnail like we were. Um,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: there's nothing inherently wrong with these videos, these makeup tutorials.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I know people who love them. But if women are
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: being pressured into doing them for financial reasons and being
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: pressured to look a certain way, that's an issue. We've
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: discussed before how the beauty industry has pushed standards to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: sell products, telling women they have to look a certain way,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and that is partially at play here. Um. Yeah, because
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you know, makeup can be great. We just need to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: be clear. We need a clear picture of what's going
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: on here, because a lot of women reported feeling like
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: they had to do this because it's the only way
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: they could get ads. Many women creators report criticism around
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: their appearance, their weight, clothes, and makeup. Further, a lot
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of the top channels created by women have to do
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: with stereotypical, more feminine topics like cooking, and there's a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: bunch of research about this, and again it's it seems
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to be that they feel there's nothing wrong with it,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: but they feel like this is the only way they
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: can make money, which I think there is something wrong
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: with that, right right, Although I mean we could come
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: back and have the conversation about how also, if you're
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a woman creator, you can only be for women. Yes,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: So that's I mean, we run into that a lot.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: So that's a hopeful conversation. Um. And by the way,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: women are more likely to be subjected to trolling, comments
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and harassment, even stalking and threats, and it increases with
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: every intersection a sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, and having
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: pain dismissed, not looking sick enough, not looking pretty enough. Wait,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: there was even a study specifically on YouTube comments that
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: showed gender differences in how we talk about intoxication. Women
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: are often sexualized in fell videos. Women creators have reported
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: fear after accounts have posted hate videos about them and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: called for their followers to attack them, and this travels
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: onto other platforms. By the way, I've seen this, Um,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it's really interesting. In twenty nineteen, YouTube rolled out updated
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: harassment policies, but creators say they haven't mitigated the issue.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Two report found that harassment against women is not only
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: alive and well on YouTube, it's flourishing. Women creators who
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: have gone viral have described the delusion of harassments they encounter.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Some even cited the Amber heard Johnny Depp trial as
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: emboldening misogynists that creators and allowing them to amass huge
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: numbers of followers, and that it helped normalize a toxic
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: level of hate towards women. UM and I don't think
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we talked about this yet, but the including Megan the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Stallion that also brought up a whole amount of misogynistic
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: trolls that that got some notoriety, and similarly YouTube started
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: de ranking Megan Markle hate channels. People like Men's Right
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: activist Andrew Tate have a mess millions in revenue, though
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: he was recently banned, but by the way, he's been
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: making a lot of money on the backs of harassing
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: women just that and just recently got banned. UM. Women
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: creators feel that because YouTube is monetizing these accounts and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: not disciplining their top male creators who post misogynistic content,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it empowers commenters to harass women. So many women have
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: left because of this. The report concluded, misogyny is alive
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: and well on YouTube. Videos pushing misinformation, hate, and outright
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: conspiracies targeting women are often monetize. This is like within
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the year study UM of note, all the studies mentioned
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that there was a lack of data and research around
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: non binary folks, so that is something that's missing. Um
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and I want to include this. Uh. These are actual
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: guidelines from Google's anti harassment policy. Quote. Here are some
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: examples of content that's not allowed on YouTube. Reportedly showing
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: pictures of someone and then making statements like look at
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this creature's teeth, they're so disgusting, with similar commentary targeting
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: intrinsic attributes throughout the video, targeting an individual based on
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: their membership in a protected group, such as by saying
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: look at this filthy slur targeting and protected group, I
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: wish they'd just get hit by a truck. Targeting an
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: individual and making claims they are involved in human trafficking
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: in the context of a harmful conspiracy theory where the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: conspiracy is linked to direct threats or violent acts, using
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: an extreme insult to dehumanize an individual based on their
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: intrinsic attributes. For example, look at this dog of a woman.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: She's not even a human being. She must be some
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: sort of mutant or animal depicting an identifiable individual being murdered,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: seriously injured, or engaged in a graphic sexual act without
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: their consent. Accounts dedicated entirely to focusing on maliciously insulting
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: an identifiable individual, but it has to be the entire account. Yeah. Well,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and so I wanted to include this because it feels
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like you're trying to teach a child how to like
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: behave like that. We have to say, like, hey, here's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: an example. I was reading it, like whoa, Okay, I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: mean there's a part of you that's like it. Has
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: there ever been anybody who read these things like, oh,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I see, I'll stop doing that. Um, But anyway, okay.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: When it comes to money making, as only one creator
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: on the top ten list of YouTube was not a man,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and that was seven year old Nastia in one. She
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: made an estimated twenty eight million dollars. Uh, and this
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is in keeping with the trends of recent years for YouTube.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: One woman on the list, but in no women at
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: all made it. Wait, she's a seven year old? What
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: is her content? Yeah? Uh, because it's definitely not other
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: seven year olds watching it. Well, maybe I don't know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: because there's also a ten year old boy on there.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. Yeah, you've also probably heard
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: of the credibility gap when it comes to women and
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: science or news content. Many women creators who are scientists
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: have posted the man splaining comments they get I'm sure
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you've seen some of them or heard some of them,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: or sexualization or outright harassment that they receive viewership on
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: STEM related videos us mail um. In some cases pretty drastically,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: this impacts interest in and potential pursuit of STEM topics
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and careers, because several studies have found that engaging in
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: STEM content, especially at a young age, can ultimately lead
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to a STEM career. Studies have also found that, compared
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: to an equally scientifically curious man, women are twenty six
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: percent less likely to watch a science video on YouTube.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Science creator Emily grass lely You famously published a YouTube
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: video called where My Lady's At where she just read
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: some of the comments her videos received. And if you've
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: never watched her videos, they're pretty sweet. They're kind of
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: like she works in a museum and she talks about
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: things in the museum, and it was just all of this,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: like very sexualized, hateful she receives. Oh no, Yeah, I
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: was thinking about one of the YouTube channels that my
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: partner really wants, like like gets me to watch um
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Simone Gartz. Someone's going to correct me and tell me
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I'm completely because she's really, really famous and her whole
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: thing is trying to create unusual hacks in her house
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: through whatever tools she's gotten. She's gotten huge, so she's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: gotten really cool tools, and I think one she did
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: was a chair for her dog to sit next to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: her at the like it's a desk chair, so something big,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and then creating um something with tampons I forgot already,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: but like, she has a lot, and she is technically
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: a tech slash stem creator and past millions of viewers,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: so I would be interested to see what her comments
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: look like with her popularity. Yeah. I think one of
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: the things that really disheartened me in this research was
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that back in the early days when Kristy and I
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: were doing YouTube, we worked with a lot of big
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: women on YouTube because it's like how you kind of
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: cross promoted and got more viewers, and a lot of
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the women we worked with who had like millions of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: views and followers left YouTube like they would show up
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: in a lot of the articles I was reading, more
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: like here's how why I left. And they're like big
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: creators and so it just only imagining like the smaller creators. Um.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And also didn't you you showed me that video girlfriend reviews? Yes,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and now they had to like respond to a lot
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of hate yeah, last yeah, yeah, they had to respond
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to a lot a lot of hate in general. But
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: apparently they're doing huge stuff in Twitch. But the whole
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: premises is pretty much the girlfriend is watching her boyfriend
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: play these games and does a commentary and they grew
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: up to a huge success and is I think living
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: off of the content as content creators because they have
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: made sponsor deals. Um. But yeah, they they had to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: go through some things where several video games, including The
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Last of Us too, because they loved it. M much
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: like you we always have to bring it back to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the Last of Us or Star Star Wars here. So
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a part of the issue is a production of budget staff. Statistically,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: mail run shows are able to secure more funds and staff.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Another is that women who are scientists often have families
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and have more of the share in taking care of children,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: which means yes, less time for actually making content and videos. Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: which is something we heard during the pandemic with why
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: they were less scientific papers turned in by women. Um.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And also have you ever heard of saying and never
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: read the comments that million and mistake and keep going? Well?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Researcher in Noca Maris Takara, and I apologized if I
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: butchered your name, I could not find a pronunciation anywhere. Uh,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: but um, they did read the comments. Came out the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: other side with a published paper about sexism and YouTube.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: They looked at over twenty three thousand YouTube comments specifically
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: comparing the treatment of men and women when it came
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to science content, and no surprise, the women were treated
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: more harshly negative comments versus six percent for men. Um.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I've I've said it a million times on the show,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: but we once did this experiment at work where we
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: had a male host and a female host do the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: exact same video and we compared the comments and it
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was very clear it was very stark which one they
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: believed was smarter and all of the physical comments that
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the woman got. And yeah, the women in the study
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: got a lot more sexually charged comments or comments about
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: their appearance in general and the way YouTube comments work
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: is the most controversial ones right to the top, And
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: in fact, I never personally would do this, but Kristen
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: would sometimes be like, let's do something really controversial because
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: it will generate, Like you, it'll make you go to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the top faster and make you get more comments. And
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that's just how YouTube's algorithm works, which, as I believe,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: one big YouTuber was like, this does not facilitate healthy,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: helpful conversation, right. I feel like that's that's for everything,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: including uh news, like getting the worst, the most controversial
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: stuff out there first, because that's going to get the tension,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: which sucks. Yes, So YouTube is trying to combat this
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to varying degrees of success. In eighteen, they launched the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: first hashtag women to Watch as part of the Next
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Up program. In the company's own words, this was the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: first time they had focused on empowering female voices UM.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: In sixteen, they formed a year long partnership between Women
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Creators and the UN to Advocate to Gender Equality. UM
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and other organizations have been trying to fight this as well.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: In you Coalition now Uplift together, formed to combat sexual abuse,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: emotional manipulation, and other forms of violence in the YouTube community. Yeah. Yeah,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I mean with every tech topic we do, because of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the show we are, we focus on the negative. There
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: are a lot of positives about YouTube. It can be
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a great place to find community, could be great place
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to share ideas, to educate all kinds of things. But
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: this is I just there's so much fluctuation. I can't
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: say for sure the situation is getting better, like people
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: are talking about it, but um, and it's also kind
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: of it annoys me in so many of these tech
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: episodes where it's like the creators are the ones making
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: YouTube money and they're not getting paid anything and are
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: forced to leave or I don't know. It's just like
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that need to be figured
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: out the situations. I think in general, content creation and
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  Speaker 1: content creators is such a new thing. We've talked about
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  Speaker 1: it before. We've talked about influencers and the good and
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  Speaker 1: the bad. But yeah, it is. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things that the law, policies and just human rights things
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  Speaker 1: haven't caught up with as fast as this medium has become. Right,
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  Speaker 1: it is complicated. Like to YouTube's credit, I get that
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  Speaker 1: it's complicated because you know, you don't want an advertiser
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  Speaker 1: to be angry about what they're at is running on.
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  Speaker 1: But you also don't want a creator to not be
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  Speaker 1: able to make money and leave. But right now it's
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  Speaker 1: not working at least that's my view of it. So
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  Speaker 1: I would love if anybody listening has more recent experience
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  Speaker 1: with YouTube, has any thoughts or resources, are numbers, anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, because this was one where I kind of
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  Speaker 1: got overwhelmed. There's a lot more we could talk about
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  Speaker 1: with this, and a lot is changing. Some of those
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  Speaker 1: surveys I mentioned, even though they were recent. I bet
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  Speaker 1: it's shifted. I bet the conversation has shifted since then.
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