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Is Modern Heathenry Too Safe? [RHR S7 EP18] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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Well, hello there, everyone, and welcome back.
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Welcome back to another episode. This is what is it, Episode 18
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now, Season 7. Yeah, rolling right along, you
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know, as they say, light in the fires, kicking the tires.
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Actually got some guests coming up.
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I know a lot of folks love to have love to the the shows where
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we have guests on here beyond just like, you know, Patrick
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doing like a live stream and we might have a surprise Chieftain
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But aside from that, we do have some guests coming up here in
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the in the coming shows next couple of episodes at least.
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And that's a standing invitation.
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You know, for those of you that listen to this show, if you are
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heathen yourself or even Pagan, you know, you don't have to
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necessarily be dramatic or Norse even.
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But I've been I've had guests on here who are Pagan, are not
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And yeah, so we got some great guests lined up here in the
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coming weeks. So stay tuned for that really
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quick. I do.
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I do just want to mention for those of you who might be
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of course, you probably already saw my post about it last week,
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already. I do want to get into the topic
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of today's episode that I posted about earlier this week that we
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were going to be talking about. And this is the something that
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I've kind of been mulling around or thinking about for some time
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and that it's that is modern Heathenry too safe?
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Now that's a question that could probably solicit some very
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intense answers. You know, people going, what do
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you mean? It's, it's too safe.
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How can things be too safe, you know, and especially in the
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world that we live in now and, and all of that.
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So I want to make very clear what I'm talking about when I
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meet. What I mean by is modern
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Heathenry too safe to hopefully clarify and and make sure that,
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you know, there's no misunderstanding.
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You know, so obviously I'm not talking about things like
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violence or extremism or, you know, this, you know, macho
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Brosa, true machismo attitude or whatever like that, that makes
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like a toxic environment. I'm not talking about that.
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I'm talking about like the, the comfort through our
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spirituality, through the religious practices, right,
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Whatever time you want to put to that, That's what I'm talking
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about. I'm talking about like spiritual
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comfort. I'm talking about things, you
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know, that is not just found in Heathenry, modern Heathenry,
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it's everywhere. But you know, a, a basically
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like a version of, of religion or a path where nothing is
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demanded, where nothing is risked and nothing really is
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fundamentally changing us. You know what I mean?
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We can we, you know, think of it as like a safe spirituality
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practice, You know what I mean? Where there's no sacrifice being
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required on our part to engage with.
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There's there's no stages of discomfort, there's no stages of
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letting things go, challenges to our own ego, no sense of
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obligation or holding ourselves and others accountable, right?
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No confrontation with our with with, you know, morality, but
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not morality mortality, like no confrontation with that.
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The things that go with our living selves are selves after
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we live, you know, the, the, the kind of the weird that has been
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woven were shaped for us, the consequences of our actions,
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like I mentioned before, like accountability, things like
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that. I'm talking about has, you know,
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is, is modern heathenry becoming so much of a safe place for
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people to find themselves in that they don't get challenged
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with anything. It it doesn't you know, or or
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you know, asked anything of you know it or it asks very little.
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Whatever it is, it asks very little there.
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There's no, again, no, no consequence, no accountability,
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no standard really, if you will. It's just kind of all Willy
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nilly out there. And I think this is a, this is,
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this is something that needs to be explored and, and brought to
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the surface of, of not just this podcasts platform and an
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audience rather, but other people, other audiences, other
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areas, you know, because the way I see it is that if you are
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practicing anything, whether it's heathenry or not, any, any
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spirituality, if, if what you're doing is asking very little of
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you, if it's just like, you know, just do whatever you feel
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like, however you feel like it, whenever you feel like it,
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right? Those, those, those paths, if,
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if they tend to ask very little, then it's going to tend to shape
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very little about you. You're not going to get much out
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of it. It's not going to shape you into
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something better. You're not going to grow much if
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at all. So this is what I'm referring to
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is, is, has modern Heathenry by and large, has it become too
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much of a safe place for people? And so this is, you know, I, I
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would hope that what I'm saying is going to spark some
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discussion, whether it's with my audience here in the comments or
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if this gets shared around with your audiences, with your
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communities. So I want to start beyond what I
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just brought up, you know, with clarity and making sure that
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people didn't misunderstand what I'm referring to is, is to go
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back and look at why, Why am I talking about this now?
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Why is this something that I think needs to be explored or,
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or exposed even, right? Brought to the surface, brought
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to the light, Because let's look back at what Heathenry came
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from, you know, let's look at some of our historical world
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views and historical sources, right?
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Things that might give us an idea of what I mean by this.
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So if you look back at any of the multiple historical sources,
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a very easily seen thing is that the world where heathenry comes
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from, you know, wasn't as safe world.
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Things were even in our, you know, even in our myths, the
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things were dangerous. Life was dangerous up to and
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including the cosmos. You know what I mean?
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You look at examples of or not examples, but you look at the
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myths that talk about, you know, the, the, the, the, the twilight
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of the gods, Ragnarok, right? Obviously they're doomed for
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that. It's in the Volus Spa, right?
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You know, where the sea is talks about everything that is from
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the beginning of creation of, you know, the world's being
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formed from Ganonga Gap and, and fire and ice and all these
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beginning stages of things. And then up to the, to the, the
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destruction of the gods, you know, where, where things are
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brought to not a final end, but brought to a, a stage of change
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that is included with this, you know, destruction is included,
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dangerous things are included. The monstrous forces that are
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represented, you know, the, the knee hogs and the Jordan Ganders
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and the Fenrirs and the Garms and all these monstrous figures,
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they, you know, they exist on these edges of reality where
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they're not, they're active. They are, but they're not like
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right in your face present. They're either doing things in
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the background that, that constantly keep you on your
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toes. It's, it's, it's again, it's,
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it's a dangerous setting for things.
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I mean, the fate or the weird in itself cannot be escaped of, of
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all living things, of all forces.
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I mean, one of the most infamous lines in the saga of the
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Walsungs, right is, is to not fear death because the hour of
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your doom is set and you cannot escape it.
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The inevitability of the expiration of things.
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One might say that the stories of our mythologies in the
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Northern path in the Northern European, whether it's, you
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know, Scandinavia or the continental Germanic poems or
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whatever, so much of our mythology is not, there's no
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security guaranteed. You know what I mean?
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It's like a, it's more, it's more of you have to endure
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things. You have to have courage in the
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face of the inevitable and the uncertain and the chaos and then
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the the, the things, the the entropy that the forces that are
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constantly trying to undermine any establishment of order.
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So the myths themselves are are riddled with, you know, that
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theme of we live in a, you know, we are in a dangerous and and
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unstable and inevitable sort of existence.
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Then you look at some very specific pieces of, of our
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Eddas, you know, throughout the Eddas, some of the poems
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throughout the Eddas, you know, Odin's pursuit of wisdom and
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knowledge and, and all these things, everything that he
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pursues that he wants to receive, whether it's the wisdom
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from, you know, Mimir's well or the knowledge of the runes or
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whatever. It involves sacrifice, you know,
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Odin hangs from the tree for 9 days and nights and he
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sacrifices himself to himself and he gives an eye at me as
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well. Again, for, for, for, for wisdom
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to, to be able to, to drink. The point is, is that wisdom in
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these stories, right? The things that one might seek
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wisdom, knowledge and you know, the mysteries and all that,
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right? These old stories or that thing
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in these old stories is not acquired through any sort of
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comfortable process. It costs something.
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So besides Odin, I mean, that's again, I seem to be mentioning
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this a lot or it comes up a lot. I just also recently put out a a
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new song that with lyrics that I wrote for nine night 9 nights
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about Odin hanging on the tree. If you want to check that out,
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it's on, it's on, it's on YouTube and it's on here on
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Patreon, but you can find it on YouTube.
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But besides that, you know, we've got Tear, of course,
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talking about sacrifice and things of being uncomfortable
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to, to get anything or to get something out of it.
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Tear is a very obvious figure in the mythology that you know
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what, what is the cost of integrity?
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What is the cost of safety? What is the cost of, you know,
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his tribes protection? Of course betrayal is is
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involved in that, but it's literally him knowing that I
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have to give up something. I have to sacrifice my own body.
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I have to give my hand to the wolf for order to be
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established, for safety to be guaranteed for all of that.
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You know, so if we hear about these things in the, in, in the
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Eddas, and we've got poems and, and, and mythology that supports
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that even the gods have to pay the price for things, you know,
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they nothing comes for free. Nothing comes with ease.
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Nothing comes through comfort then it's a from the, from, from
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the stories alone. We haven't even gone into things
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like the sagas, the cult, you know, and, and the culture that
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was, was prevalent at the, at the, at the time, with the
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people at the time through sagas.
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We're just talking about mythology, you know, but the
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again, these are stories that reflect a worldview of a people
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that understood these things. And they wouldn't be written
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that way, and they wouldn't be portrayed that way.
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If it weren't part of the living world view of these people.
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So moving past the mythology, moving past the stories and
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sagas are stories as well, but probably more more rooted in
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actual things. Again, sagas are, are maybe, you
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know, a bit mythified when it comes to certain things, but
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there's plenty of things throughout the Icelandic sagas
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that that show right, risk and endurance as as part of the,
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the, the repeated theme, you know, honour is often tested and
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in order to maintain one's honour, in order to, to keep
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one's honour, that is, you know, challenges and difficult actions
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that are required to maintain and preserve that, that
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reputation, that honour, you know, journeys weren't easy,
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they were dangerous. They were, they were riddled
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with and then full of, of things that could, you know, turn
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things S pretty quickly, right? And again it goes, you know,
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that the honor, the reputation that culturated it demands
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resilience. It demands action that is going
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to put and push you to your limits.
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Test the boundaries of what you think you're capable of.
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Aegil saga, Niall saga, the I said the saga, the Olsons
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characters and, and people throughout are dealing with
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things that push, that would push anybody to their limit.
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And at the time, you know, we're talking about things like exile
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and blood feuds and, and, and general hardships of just living
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and surviving, you know, the, any emotional restraints and,
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and the consequences of social behaviors, They were not comfort
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oriented societies. And the the sagas and the myths
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reflect that time and time again, right beyond the sources,
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beyond those sources, right there are there there are some
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other places that we could even go.
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And this might be venturing off into a realm of thinking that
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not all heathens find relevance in.
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But if you get into some philosophical sides of things,
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there's Rudolf Otto references things in some of his work that
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you know, his concepts, I should say, of the numinous from the
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idea of the holy or the idea of the Holy is is a book, right?
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It's a it's a, it's a piece of literature that that Rudolf Otto
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wrote. So in there, right, he describes
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things that are genuine. Again, this is not necessarily
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pertaining to dramatic Heathenry specifically, but but he goes
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through throughout this throughout this work of his is
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describing genuine religious encounters that people have
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across other cultures, not just Germanic, not just Scandinavian
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right or Nordic. But the religious encounters
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that he is describing genuine religious encounters, They are
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described as being awe filled or overwhelming, even at times and
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mysterious and and and terrifying even, you know, a bit
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of a dichotomy or you know, the terrifying and and and yet
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amazing right or attractive all at once.
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It often reminds me of some of my own personal experiences that
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I don't really go into a whole lot of detail on this show or
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in, in, in this way. But when I've when I've talked
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to to people close to me and I've had moments and I've had
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experiences that leave me feeling like I went through all
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kinds of things. I felt, you know, afraid and or
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terrified. It was, you know, it was a
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terror filled experience. And then yet I wasn't, you know,
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I wasn't so scarred by it that it it, you know, definitely
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tested me. It put it put me in a in a
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position where I had to confront things that if I had avoided, I
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wouldn't be where I am now. So it was again, like, you know,
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amazing and terrifying all at once.
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But this is what Rudolf Otto talks about in the idea of the
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Holy. So because he's talking about
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these, because it's referencing religious experiences, genuine
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religious experiences, it's safe to, I think, deduce and, and
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arrive at an understanding that historically speaking, over
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time, no matter where you go, the sacred, the holy, the gods,
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anything of a religious nature. And I, and I personally have a
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definition of, of religious or religion as, as being something
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pertaining to the, the sacred, the divine, the gods, right
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Source, right, Whatever name or, or whatever you want to put to
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it. It's, it's more and it's greater
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than local spirituality. The, the, the spirit of the land
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and the spirit of the water and the spirits that, that inhabit
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profane space and around us, you know, we're talking about things
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of a religious nature, you know, and I know that's, that's just
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my personal approach on it. It's not, I'm not saying if you
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have a different one that it, that we need to figure out who's
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right or who's wrong. I'm just saying that that's my
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take on it. But point being is, is that
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historically right? Those types of things, they were
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not just comforting the encounters.
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They were not things that brought a warm and fuzzy feeling
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and a tear to our eyes, feeling all overwhelmed with joy and
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closeness to the holy and the and the gods, right.
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It was powerful enough. These these these moments were
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overall powerful enough to kind of, you know, F some shit up
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and, and and genuinely unsettle people and, and put them in a in
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a state of understanding. Like, hey, you know, this is
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serious business. This is this is, this is real.
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It's not all, you know, gum drops and rainbows and
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butterflies and fluffy bunnies and and all that stuff.
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So making it relevant to heathenry.
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We can see clearly that our gods, goddesses, even, you know,
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our holy powers are not presented as therapeutic
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archetypes that are, you know, designed to give us affirmation
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of whatever you know. That's not how they've been
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portrayed. That's not how the people of the
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lands where they come from knew them and understood them as they
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understood them as being sometimes dangerous and even
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complex, unpredictable forces and entities.
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You know, not all of them clearly.
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I mean, there's again, you know, you go, you go through enough of
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the sources and you see, and you really start digging into the
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the history of the of the Germanic people and how far back
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you want to go. You know what I mean?
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Like Freyr, I think is talked about as as being, you know, the
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most, I guess, you know, important or something like that
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may be important. It's not the the exact word.
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But anyway, he had a very important role amongst the
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people and they there's even in the in the old English or
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Anglo-Saxon Futhorc in the Anglo-Saxon room poem, right.
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The old English, you know, in is, is great in among the East
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Danes, a peace God, you know, God or, or a figure that is seen
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as not a war God, not a God of turmoil and and fighting and war
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and all that, but a God that is associated with peace and
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fertility and bounty. You go, you go.
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If you really get into it, I was, I was actually doing some,
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some more reading and research here recently and I was
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exploring the concept or the idea of the thought of going
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way, way, way, way back to the Germanic tribes.
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Like, you know, when Tacitus wrote or Tacitus wrote the
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Germania about his observances of the Germanic tribes and he,
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you know, he references that the, the tribes had ancient
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hymns, as he puts it, that honor Twisto, an earth father, an
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earth God, you know, kind of a code or progenitor of, of the
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Germanic people, you know, his, his son, maybe brother.
30:04
And I don't want to get into the weeds with with that, but you
30:08
know, Twisto begets Manus and then Manus is the the father of
30:12
the three tribes of the Germanic people from whom all Germanic
30:16
peoples descend. One of those tribes of the is
30:20
are the inviens. And of course that is in in
30:26
invade Frayer is clearly, you know, a mentioned name that
30:33
migrated and became Frayer in in the Scandinavian countries.
30:39
But point being, is that the, the Twisto thing, you go back
30:43
that far and you got translations of of what that
30:48
word that, that are that name where it comes from.
30:50
And it's there's some, there's some that say it's, it's a word
30:55
or comes from a root word that meant twin.
31:00
Which is why some scholars might explore the, the concept of the
31:04
idea that Manus was not Twisto's son.
31:07
It was his brother. And they were Co progenitors of
31:09
the people. Whereas you know, you have this,
31:13
this dual, you know, God of War, God of peace, or you know, God
31:18
of you know, all these these things.
31:19
And it's seen across a lot of other Indo European.
31:22
You see it in the Greek, you know, Romulus and Remus that may
31:25
that may be Roman Romulus and Remus, but a lot of different
31:32
origin stories of gods that are two parts.
31:36
You know, one for peace, one for for War, One focuses on that and
31:41
the other focuses on the other. So I went off the path a bit
31:46
with that. That might be something for
31:48
discussion at a later time because it's, it doesn't really
31:52
have direct relevance to what we're talking about today.
31:56
But as far as the examples that I could think of for how the
31:59
people saw the gods as being complex, dangerous, and
32:06
sometimes unpredictable, what examples I can now that we're
32:11
back on track with it. Some examples that I can think
32:15
of would be as many times as we read about Odin manipulating and
32:20
testing scenarios or, you know, others.
32:27
Thor himself is, is a force of wild acts of, you know, he
32:34
doesn't think before he acts. He's, you know, he destroys as
32:37
much as he protects. He's he's his hammer, you know
32:41
smashes and blesses Freya OK as often times seen and and noted
32:53
to be as much associated with death as being the one that gets
33:00
the kind of the first pick of the of the battle slain, if you
33:03
will. So she has as much of an associ,
33:08
association with death and and war as she does with beauty and
33:16
passion and love and things like that, right.
33:19
So the throughout the stories right there, there's, there's
33:27
this understanding of those things.
33:29
So I think a lot of times in what we see in modern Heathenry
33:34
is happening. Well, modern spirituality,
33:37
Heathenry included, would probably a better way of saying
33:40
is that things have become heavily focused on emotional
33:46
safety and personal affirmation. I see it, I've seen it so many
33:54
places. As soon as somebody gets into a
33:56
comment thread on a platform and starts challenging somebody's
34:02
views on things, it's, you know, don't listen to them.
34:09
They're just trolling. You don't listen to the, you
34:11
know, don't listen to the big Bab heathen guy or whatever over
34:15
here. You know, don't you're, you're
34:17
valid. You're you do you keep doing
34:19
what you're doing? Or when I've seen this a lot,
34:25
and this is kind of like when people are are putting on their
34:29
attire or their garb or their makeup or their, you know, they
34:32
have an aesthetic that they're, that they're leaning in towards
34:35
or leaning into really heavily using their spirituality as an
34:44
aesthetic or as an identity. And people in the comment
34:50
sections are just ripping them apart.
34:55
You know, I leave well enough alone.
34:59
I mean, people want to dress a certain way, look a certain way,
35:02
whatever. I mean, it's I'm, I'm not, I've
35:05
never been really want to wanna discourage people from doing
35:11
that. But there are some people that
35:12
will they just go in there and they'll, you know, maybe not RIP
35:16
them apart. Yeah, there are those that do
35:18
that, but there might be others that genuinely are being like,
35:21
you know, is this are you cosplaying?
35:23
Are you Larping? You know, like, what is like,
35:25
why are you dressing like that when historically that wasn't
35:28
even the way that looked, you know what I mean?
35:31
Like that wasn't how the people dressed or how the people
35:33
looked. And they get, you know, they
35:35
get, they're getting challenged to look at things from a
35:42
different lens. And then other people are coming
35:44
to that person's defence going, I don't know, don't listen to
35:46
them. You're just, you know, he's just
35:48
trolling. They're just trolling you.
35:50
Whatever. There's other times where people
35:53
are finding, you know, emotional comfort, avoiding difficult
36:01
truths. You know, spirituality has
36:03
emotional comfort. You know what I mean?
36:04
Like not, not facing the dark stuff, not facing the tough
36:09
stuff, not facing the reality of, hey, you know, this path
36:14
requires you to step up. It requires you to show up.
36:18
It it requires you to do work that is not pleasant all the
36:22
time. You have obligations and
36:24
sacrifices and things that you cannot avoid.
36:27
And if you are why you know, like it, it seems, at least from
36:35
what I've noted, that seems that we as a people, we as a, you
36:42
know, humanity at large rather might we've we've become
36:49
generally very good at curating spiritual experiences that never
36:56
really challenge us, You know, too many low risk heathens out
37:04
here, you know, and what I mean by low risk.
37:11
OK, So what is that even mean? Kind of like AI mean.
37:19
Think of it, you know, archetypically is as you know,
37:22
somebody that wants symbolism without understanding the
37:27
sacrifice behind what those symbols mean.
37:31
An identity without the without doing the work to understand.
37:37
Is this the right is am I am I associating with an identity
37:42
that I hate that I have a place in?
37:45
You know, you know what I mean? Being inspired without any sort
37:52
of change or transformation taking place going into any sort
37:58
of spiritual work, any ritual, any ceremony, without knowing
38:03
that sacrifices required obligations need to be need to
38:11
be met. Umm, I think a lot of people
38:17
today want the feeling of, you know, an in depth experience
38:23
without the danger of being changed by it.
38:29
You know, it's you want to have a cool story to write about on
38:34
your Facebook wall or your Instagram story or put a video
38:40
up about it on your Tik Toks and this and that.
38:42
But you don't want to do the work.
38:47
You don't want to actually get your feet and your hands in the
38:49
muck, in the mire and in the blood.
38:51
And then, you know what I mean? Get get dirty with it.
38:56
You just want to do it for the show of it all, not you
38:58
personally. Again, I go back to the whole
39:00
thing like I'm not here to. I'm just saying I'm just, I'm
39:04
just saying and showing or sharing what I've seen and what
39:08
I've observed and why I think we need to have these
39:10
conversations. I think we need to have, we need
39:13
to bring this up and we, we, we need to stop being so sensitive.
39:19
I'm not saying be a jerk. I'm not saying be, you know,
39:26
incompat, you know, uncompassionate, not, not, you
39:28
know what I mean? I'm not saying that.
39:30
I'm saying let's, let's put our big girl and big boy pants on
39:36
and face the fire. You know, even when it's hot
39:41
already. Umm, I've, I've read some of
39:49
this guy S work. I'm about to mention right now
39:51
that I was thinking of this. Umm, I don't think I have a copy
39:55
of it. I've read some pieces and seen
39:57
some, some of his, uh, some excerpts from Neil Price is the
40:01
Viking way. I think it is.
40:04
Umm, But I think it's in there where he kind of goes and
40:07
explores a lot of the. Or some of like ecstatic ritual
40:12
states, death symbolism, altered states that came about through
40:21
whether it was trance or substances that got employed
40:25
through certain rituals or just, you know, confrontation with
40:31
liminality. Might want to check that out
40:35
too. If you're if you're interested,
40:36
you won't want to check out the Neil Price the Viking way with
40:42
the point of it being is that you know, these are historical,
40:47
these are scholars. These are people that have pub
40:50
published work that references and talks about spirituality in
40:58
in, you know, Nordic or Germanic societies where if we were doing
41:07
it now, like modern people would, they would probably find
41:12
the, you know, psychologically intense or I almost say
41:19
debilitating, but like destabilizing, right?
41:22
If, if, if, if we as a modern people went and got to
41:26
experience the things that are suggested and strongly supported
41:31
through other scholars work, how you know, would it would change
41:39
you, it would change you as a person to experience those
41:42
intense moments. Umm, and we're just, you know,
41:47
by and large we've, we've, we've grown so far away from that.
41:54
Umm, especially here in the here in North America.
42:00
I don't know. I can't really speak much for
42:02
outside of what I've experienced and seen.
42:04
I'm just, you know, again, keeping everything relevant.
42:12
Our American culture doesn't have things for for like coming
42:15
of age for boyhood into manhood. You know, women biologically
42:22
have a a coming of age transition that had happens with
42:27
their bodies. Boys to men, not the group, but
42:32
boyhood to manhood don't have that really.
42:35
And by and large, like I said, for the most part, but there,
42:38
there's, there's really nothing that we have as a culture that
42:44
puts a young boy through hardships, through through
42:48
tests, through challenges to show him what it's like now
42:54
going into manhood, right? Being someone that others depend
42:57
on instead of you depending on others.
43:03
Another really good, you know, modern scholar that I, that I
43:10
highly recommend is Davidson, HR Ellis Davidson.
43:16
She's very, very well versed in death, consciousness,
43:24
sacrifices, interactions with hostile forces that you know the
43:28
baleful whites and all this death in the afterlife.
43:32
Very well versed on on historically accurate and and
43:36
historically rooted information. One of her one of her books I
43:42
always recommend for people to check out is called The Road to
43:45
Hell. I think you can even download it
43:48
for free. It's APDF through academia
43:53
website. So if you just look up the Road
43:54
to Hell by HR Ellis Davidson, you'll find it easily enough.
44:04
So you know, from all of the things, from everything that is,
44:07
you know, starting at stories, the myths through, and then
44:12
going through the sagas and, and other more contemporary authors
44:19
or, or contemporary scholars and their sources and things that
44:21
they've shared the world view of, you know, the Nordic
44:28
heathens, the dramatic heathens that you know, these people by
44:32
and large forged an uncertainty. You just, you didn't know you
44:40
had to face whatever came your way.
44:43
You know, there was no turning back.
44:45
There was no turning it down. The you you had to stand in the
44:49
fire and you had to face it. And why is this so important?
44:58
Why? Why should this be something
45:00
that is, I think, approached and addressed now and today, safe
45:09
spirituality. If there's nothing that's
45:11
testing you, if there's nothing that's challenging you, if
45:13
there's nothing that's pushing you to beyond your comfort zone,
45:19
you become hollow. The, the whole, the whole thing
45:22
is just a shell, right? And the reason why that happens
45:30
is nothing is demanded, right? Nothing is confronted with your,
45:37
your, our mortality, our, our ego.
45:39
We're not confronted with anything.
45:40
If, if, if our practices or if our religious or spiritual
45:45
practices never demands or asks us to do anything difficult,
45:52
then what exactly is it doing for us?
45:54
What is it shaping us into? Our ancient ancestors were
46:03
deeply aware of the realities of mortality of death, right?
46:08
This is, this is a very, this can be maybe a trigger warning I
46:12
want to put here for people, because when I talk about
46:14
mortality and death, you know, for, for, for some people, maybe
46:18
even for many people talking about death, talking about the
46:23
death of loved ones. I've had I've, you know, very
46:27
close friends of mine, kinsmen of mine that have left this
46:32
mortal plane and they exist on the spirit plane.
46:36
They've gone to the halls of their ancestors, those kinsmen
46:40
of mine that were brothers to their families and husbands and
46:46
fathers, you know, and those families were stripped of their
46:52
presence in this mortal plane. You know, shout out to my
46:58
brother Rick man walking wolf, Rick Thisler, He and another
47:06
brother, mine man Bobby. And but, you know, these were
47:12
things that it's it's tough for people.
47:15
These are things nowadays. It's it's tough for people a lot
47:17
of times, or some people like to.
47:20
I don't want to talk about it. Just I don't want to think about
47:22
it. I don't want to talk about it.
47:25
OK, I understand it's hard. I understand it's not easy to
47:29
deal with, but it's a reality. You can't, you're going to have
47:32
to face it at some point. Well, I'll just deal with it
47:36
when it comes up. Well, you're, you're going to
47:38
have a really hard time dealing with it if you're not giving it
47:43
space now, if you're not confronting it now, if you're
47:45
not being aware of impermions and the, the fate, the, the
47:52
weird in general, right? The things that have been woven
47:54
by the norms or shaped or carved or however you want to look at
48:01
the physical act of the day of our doom is set.
48:07
None can escape it. Why avoid talking about it?
48:10
Why avoid it just because it's uncomfortable?
48:13
That discomfort, that that hurt, that that pain even can be
48:20
useful, can be so useful to shape you into a person that is
48:23
going to be more equipped or better equipped to confront that
48:34
time when it arrives. You know, so much, so many of us
48:40
now we're going to, to see the death of our loved ones, our
48:43
friends, our family, or they will see ours.
48:50
They will be alive when, when it is our time, when the day of our
48:53
doom has come, right? So I think it's, I think we have
49:00
a, a sacred duty. We even we have an obligation to
49:03
with our people to not avoid these types of things, to not
49:06
avoid these hard conversations, to not avoid these difficult
49:10
topics. We can be safe without being
49:17
comfortable. I don't want us to go.
49:20
I don't want us to walk away from this episode today and
49:23
think that safety and comfort are go hand in hand.
49:31
You can be uncomfortable and still be safe.
49:33
You can be very uncomfortable. You might even be in pain.
49:37
You'll still be safe. That is absolutely a reality and
49:41
that should be as as far along as we are in this episode that
49:46
it hasn't been said yet said yet or they haven't just made it a a
49:51
a a moment to say it. We saying it now.
49:54
You can be uncomfortable, you can be in pain, you can be
49:59
suffering and still be safe. So remember that.
50:05
You know, the things that we're talking about now, as I
50:09
mentioned before, they might be triggering to some, but but I
50:11
don't want to say a lot, but you know, I've, I've encountered
50:14
people that just they, they want to avoid these, these, these,
50:19
these themes or these, these things entirely.
50:21
They have anything that comes up that even remotely sounds like
50:25
we're getting into that territory of a conversation
50:29
like, right, They just don't want, they don't want a part of
50:31
it. And I get it, but we're not
50:37
going to be transformed unless we get endure ordeal, right?
50:43
Ordeal does breed worth, you know, adversity shapes us into
50:52
worthy beings. And this is true now as much as
50:57
it was true, however far back you want to go.
51:02
The things that I talked about before, right?
51:04
The wisdom, the knowledge, the the the drink from Mimir as well
51:08
right. These are stories that reflected
51:10
the world view and it was understood that anything that
51:12
you want that is worth getting comes through endurance
51:16
sacrifices involved. You're going to suffer in the
51:18
process. Know that except that confront
51:25
that and then and then do the things that are going to better
51:29
equip you to endure. You're going to have that
51:34
endurance, that tolerance even not gonna make it easy or or
51:41
you're not gonna have no feeling whatsoever when you're enduring
51:44
it, but it you know, it'll take some of the edge off.
51:47
I believe that. I believe I've the things that
51:50
I've gone through that I've endured, as painful as they've
51:53
been, as emotionally scarring as as they've been, have, you know,
52:02
they've shaped me into the, into the person I am now to endure
52:06
what's coming and what hasn't arrived yet or what I'm going
52:09
through at the moment. Whatever.
52:13
We can't, we can't expect to grow if we're bypassing the
52:18
tough stuff. And again, just because it's
52:22
tough doesn't mean it's not safe.
52:29
So if, if you're, you know, if we're on paths that never
52:32
challenge our egos, that never challenge our existence and
52:35
never confront our weaknesses, that never demand the sacrifice
52:39
of, of giving up of something. OK, we're not on a well, you
52:46
know, if, if that's our path, guess what, I'll say it.
52:49
We're not on a path at all. We're not on a spiritual path.
52:52
We're on a path of we're on a journey of self decoration, man,
52:55
We're on. We just want to look cool and
52:57
sound cool and feel nice and happy and good all the time.
53:01
And just, you know, some of you may think that it's irrelevant,
53:12
but I talked about at the beginning of the show with with
53:15
losing Facebook access, right? My account being deactivated,
53:18
right? Yeah.
53:18
Well, that was a dumb move on your part.
53:20
Just so you weren't careful enough.
53:24
Sure, you might can say that. I also have a lot of things that
53:35
15 years or more worth of memories, friends that that's
53:44
all I ever talked to them through, right?
53:47
Acquaintances, people who I stayed in contact with only
53:50
through that platform gone now, not getting it back.
53:55
I was able to download a lot of the data, you know, almost 20,
54:02
like almost like 20 gigabytes worth of, of messages and photos
54:07
and videos and memories and things.
54:09
I have that now, thankfully. But as far as access to things,
54:13
right, that was that was a lesson for me.
54:17
That was a that wasn't, that was, that was tough because I'm
54:26
sitting there thinking, how am I going to get access?
54:28
How am I going to see the things that how am I going to keep up
54:30
with what I keep up with? How am I going to stay in touch
54:32
with who I stay in touch with? How am I going to be able to do
54:35
the things that I do right with it, with this show, with, with,
54:39
with whatever, if I don't have presence on social media?
54:43
Because that's so much of what this world is about.
54:47
And it came, you know, and it occurred to me that dude, you
54:52
know, that's what you've been doing, what you've been doing.
54:56
And look what's happened as a result.
55:00
You've said your piece there, you've made your voice and you
55:03
put it out there. It's out there.
55:07
And if nobody got it, nobody got it, then now it's gone.
55:11
You know, they can't go back and relive that It's they got it or
55:16
they didn't. And yeah, there for a little
55:21
while, I was kind of stressing out about it, you know, trying
55:24
really hard. Like I, I hope I get that e-mail
55:26
back, you know, I hope I get this restored.
55:29
I mean, what am I going to do, right?
55:30
Feeling stressed out about it for a short period of time.
55:33
I had to, I had to face that. I had to feel those feelings of
55:36
uncertainty and distress and hurt, you know, I mean, like,
55:41
how could I, how could this have happened, right?
55:43
How could I have been? How could me, how could I have
55:45
fallen victim to this? I've been working in IT for 10
55:48
years. How could this have happened to
55:49
me? You know, it happened for a
55:55
reason. It it was it was what was woven
56:00
in my threads. It was what the Shapers carved
56:04
for me. What are you going to do?
56:07
You gonna cry about? You gonna complain about it?
56:09
Good. Does that do?
56:10
Learn from it. What did I learn?
56:12
It's not necessary. It's not important what I'm
56:21
doing with the show, how I communicate it out, where it
56:24
goes. It's much narrower of an
56:27
audience now. It's a much smaller place that
56:30
it gets to, doesn't go all over social media, at least not by
56:35
me. I'm not the one pushing it out
56:38
there. If these episodes get clipped or
56:40
downloaded or shared anywhere beyond where I published them
56:45
on, it's not because of it's very little to has, has very
56:52
little to do with what I'm involved with.
56:56
I'm just putting the content out there where it goes from there,
57:00
you know, out of my hand. So I talk about comfort, right?
57:07
And that comfort is not, you know, is, is, you know, to be
57:12
uncomfortable and to suffer does not mean that you're not safe.
57:18
Well, we should also talk about and we should also approach risk
57:23
doing things that are going to push us beyond our comfort zone.
57:30
So when we talk about things like risk, it is absolutely
57:34
necessary to define and to be clear what healthy risk looks
57:38
like because we don't want to come on here.
57:40
I don't want to be one that's like, hey, guys, you're not
57:42
being dangerous enough. Go out and be dangerous and be
57:45
reckless. No, not, not by any stretch of
57:50
the imagination. Am I trying to condone or
57:53
advocate for reckless behavior for the sake of, you know,
58:01
suffering for the sake of good or something like that?
58:04
No. What I am advocating though, and
58:06
what I am trying to raise an awareness for and and have
58:11
conversation started about is honest examination of the
58:18
self-discipline. Silence even sometimes not.
58:26
I talk about this right now, right?
58:29
This podcast is me talking, but it's not going everywhere that
58:32
it used to go now because of my social media restriction.
58:37
Being silent, knowing when to shut up, knowing when it's OK,
58:42
when there's no noise. This is a recent episode too,
58:45
about when the gods are silent and how there's nothing wrong
58:48
with that. There's there's good things that
58:51
happen in silence. I am advocating for, you know,
58:57
safely sacrificing your comfort, engaging and being present with
59:04
difficult conversations. Man, would you say what you're
59:09
going to do? Freaking do it.
59:11
Keep your word, you know. Don't shy away from the hard
59:18
truths of things. Don't shield yourself from
59:24
mortality, death, the next stage of things when it's coming that
59:28
time, really put the work in to to have meaningful ritual,
59:38
meaningful ceremonies, not just going through the motions
59:41
because it's that time of year again.
59:42
And we got to do it because we got to do it.
59:45
You know, really, you know, be OK with being vulnerable in
59:52
front of your kin, in front of your kindreds, in front of your
59:56
tribes, in front of the gods even.
1:00:04
You know, these are all examples or things that I would.
1:00:11
What I'm referring to when I'm saying healthy risk and how that
1:00:20
reflects in a practical way. Some examples might could be,
1:00:25
hey, even when things aren't feeling like they're connecting
1:00:27
all the time, even when it things don't feel like you're,
1:00:30
you're hitting the nails on the head.
1:00:34
Maintain your practice anyway. Don't give up.
1:00:37
Don't shy away from your practice just because you're not
1:00:39
getting the feedback and you're not getting the affirmation.
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You're not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling that, oh, I was
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outside and Thor came and he loves me.
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And you know, that's an example of what I'm talking about.
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When you say something, take it seriously.
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Don't just say it because it sounds good to the person that
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you're talking to or that you're saying it to and you want them
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to feel good about it. If it came out your mouth and it
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was something that was of importance to say that you're
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going to do or not do, follow through with it.
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Make journeys, go on hikes, go on walks, go on, you know, do
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things that push you beyond your comfort zone, right.
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This is one thing I got to really give my wife a lot of
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credit for. You know, she's, she's getting
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out, she's walking a lot more, you know, becoming more active,
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even when it hurts, even when she comes back and she's hurt,
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you know, and, and like, hey, you know, don't overdo it, but
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proud of you, you know, proud of you for continuing in that
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endeavor to do something good for yourself, even when it
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hurts. You know, knowing your limits,
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being safe about it is important too.
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But don't shy away from just that, That moment of that.
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I'm a little sweaty and a little hot.
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My feet hurt. You'll be OK.
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You'll get through it. You're built for this.
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You know what I mean, Talking about things that people have
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built for fasting, you know, going without, whether it's a
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full, you know, diet fast type of thing, where you go, you
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know, X amount of hours or days even without solid food, you
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know, water fasts, fasting from other things, fasting from a
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vice or power habit, you know, going without alcohol, going
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without smoking, going without things that bring you comfort.
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Well, go without, go without it. Just start one day, right?
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Without, without it. And hey, you know what?
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You did it one day. If you can do it one day, you
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can do it two days, just things like that, right?
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For your betterment. Yeah.
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So these are just some practical examples, right?
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And, you know, there's just a few things that just come to
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mind because sometimes, and these are real things, right?
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These are these are things that we can physically tangibly
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encounter, experience and and feel connected with and about
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the gods. We put a lot of importance on
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them because they are important, but the gods are outside of our
1:03:32
profane space, so they're not exactly going to be tangible
1:03:37
feeling, you know, all the time. So sometimes, you know, the most
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dangerous things aren't the gods.
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The the things that push us aren't the gods.
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It's, it's what we discover about ourselves when we, when,
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when distractions disappear, when we're more present, when
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we're more engaged in the moment, when we're, when we're
1:04:04
not worried about Facebook notifications and messages going
1:04:08
off or checking my status every 20 freaking minutes to see who
1:04:14
liked it, who responded, who reacted, who did somebody say
1:04:16
about what I said? When those distractions are
1:04:20
gone, We have, we have a better focus on the things that matter.
1:04:27
So let's remember everybody, right?
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Whatever path you're on, whatever, whether you're heathen
1:04:32
or just whatever, you are right, These old ways, if you're going
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to get into the, and you know, learning more about them and,
1:04:39
and finding your place in the world with these practices and
1:04:45
making them relevant. The old ways were never about
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guaranteed comfort. They were about having to learn
1:04:53
when and when and how to stand in the fire, stand upright in
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the world that is filled with uncertainty and filled with,
1:05:01
with suffering and discomfort alongside things like beauty and
1:05:10
warmth and compassion, right? It's don't I don't want to I
1:05:15
don't want this to be like, yeah, it's all doom and gloom
1:05:17
from Jesse this week on. It's it's facing the hard
1:05:20
things. It's not to say that those other
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things aren't there, but we don't need to talk about those
1:05:24
things. That's that's great.
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That's all well and good. We need we need to understand
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right. It's and that's probably
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honestly why more modern pagans, more modern heathens are really
1:05:37
true, truly having a hard time now with, you know, starving
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spiritually because we're not confronting these things, you
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know, and they're not, I don't think really honestly, I don't
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think it's that people are are looking for the comfort.
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They're not starving for it. They're they're, they're needing
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to be strong enough to survive the discomfort and to get
1:06:05
through that moment. That sucks and it hurts, but
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don't let it wear you down. Don't let it take you down.
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Feel what needs to be felt, you know learn from it what you can.
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Maybe the question is not whether you know.
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I framed this episode about is modern Heathenry too safe maybe
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the question is not about that maybe the Maybe the question is
1:06:42
not whether modern heathens feel safe.
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Maybe the questions whether does does does modern Heathenry, does
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it still have the power to change us?
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Are the things that this path in this way came from the old ways?
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Is it still capable of giving us the things that are necessary to
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allow change to occur? That is good for us, right?
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And I think one of the last things I would ask us all to
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maybe ask ourselves honestly, you know, come, come, put
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yourself in the mirror, look into a pool, sit in the dark
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with yourself, right? Look in, look within yourself.
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Is our practice for comforting us or is it transforming us?
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Not every part of our path is going to be comforting.
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It's going to, at least it shouldn't.
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Not not in my opinion. So yeah, there's my there's my
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ramblings for the week and we've got more coming up next week
1:08:07
with some guests. Next couple of weeks actually
1:08:11
got 2 guests lined up. I won't say who or what we'll be
1:08:15
talking about at this point in time, but if you're listening to
1:08:19
this or watching this, just know we got some guests coming so
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you'll definitely want to be in tune for that.
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can do for us. Yeah, let's let that, let's let
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that sit with us and let's let that transform us into honorable
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