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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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All right. We're rolling.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you, sir.
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Speaker 2: Here we go. One of the things I wanted to
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talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but
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we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get
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copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode.
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We don't want anybody to have any sort of a
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way to get it down. Sure. But it was the
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episode of you when you were on The View. And
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I think it was 2015 or 2006, like when you
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were running for president.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And you sat– you got introduced as our friend Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss.
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Joy Behar gives you a big hug. Barbara Walters gives
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you a big hug. They all loved you. They were
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all talking about how you're– you might be– You might
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be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially.
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They were talking about you in such a favorable light.
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The audience was cheering. And then you actually started winning
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in the polls and then the machine started working towards you.
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But it's– there's probably no one in history that I've
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ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked
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and the way they've done it, so coordinated. And systematically,
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when you see those same people in the past, very
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favorable to you, like Oprah, when.
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Speaker 1: You were on Oprah's show. Very.
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Speaker 2: She was encouraging you.
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Speaker 1: Last week I did one of her last shows. I
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think maybe Thursday or Friday. That was a big deal
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being on Oprah's show, the last one. And I was
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like one of the last shows in that last– that
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final week. And I said, boy, we've come a long
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way since that.
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Speaker 2: What was it like?
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Speaker 1: Well, the concept– it was really like two different lives.
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I had a– a very wonderful life, but I wanted
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to do this. The Apprentice was still going very strong.
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We had 12 seasons and we had actually 14 seasons,
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12 years over. They had a couple of them.
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Speaker 2: Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct?
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Speaker 1: No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. I was involved
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in that and I had enough of it and we
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did great. It was doing great, but they wanted me
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to stay. They all came to see me. They said,
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We're going to give you a contract. They wanted to
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extend my contract. Mark Burnett is a great guy. And
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they wanted to extend the contract. Mark said, you're crazy.
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Don't run. Don't run. Nobody gives up primetime, they said.
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You know, it's one of those little things, which is
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probably true. Nobody gives up primetime, though, for being president?
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For running, well, for running against 20-some odd people, you know.
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It turned out to be 18. 18 professional people, you know,
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mostly politicians. They said, who would do this? I mean,
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it's a long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came
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over the Paul Telagny, all the top people came over
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to see me, try and talk me out of it
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because they wanted to have me extend. The Apprentice was
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doing well. So it was 14 seasons. It was 12 years.
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We had one, two seasons where we had a double,
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which rarely happens. It was just a hot show. And
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I said, you know, I want to do this. What
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happened is previously, like three years, four years before that,
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they did a poll. They had Mitt Romney and somehow
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they put me in a poll And I blew everybody away.
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I blew him away, which isn't that hard, frankly. But
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I blew everybody away. And I said, that's interesting, because
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I never really gave it that much real thought. I
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thought about it, but never real thought. But I saw
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these polls were very good. And so I was thinking
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about doing it then, but I had a contract with
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The Apprentice. Plus, I was building two big buildings at
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the time, and I wanted to make sure they got
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finished up properly. And it was one of those things.
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The kids were just sort of getting involved. They're very
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capable kids, but they were getting involved early on. So
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I did that. I got them done. I had some
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very good successes and I came on and then I
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thought about it for the next one after the Romney
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disaster and I ran and I won against Hillary. It
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was quite an experience. But it was a different life
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because you're right, the view. I was on the view many,
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many times and they loved me.
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Speaker 2: Just the way people would talk. I mean even if
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people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you,
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there was always feuds and stuff like that. But the
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reality was … The thing turned on you when they
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found out that you were going to be president. It
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was very coordinated. And some people are catching on to
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that now. There's a lot of people that were longtime
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Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different
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very intelligent people.
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Speaker 1: And they support me now. Bill Ackman supports me. He's
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been very supportive too.
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Speaker 2: This is what I wanted to ask you. What was
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it like when you actually got in? Because nobody really
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can prepare you for that. When you're running for president,
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you don't really know what it's going to be like
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when you actually get into office.
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Speaker 1: What did you think it was going to be like?
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So do you mean in office or when I decided
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to run? No, when you got in. So when I
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was in and won and was in the White House essentially. Well,
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first of all, it was very surreal. I would imagine.
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It's very interesting. When I got shot, it wasn't surreal.
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That should have been surreal. When I was laying on
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the ground, I knew exactly what was going on. I
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knew exactly where I was hit. They were saying you
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were hit all over the place because there was so
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much blood from the ear. You would know that better
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than anyone. When they get the ear torn up.
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Speaker 2: Ears bleed a lot.
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Speaker 1: They bleed. Anyway, so– and I was thinking the other day.
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When that happened, I really knew where I was. I
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knew exactly what happened. I said I wasn't hit anywhere.
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With the presidency– It was a very surreal experience, OK?
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Speaker 2: What's day one like?
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Speaker 1: You win. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You get inaugurated. Holy shit, I'm the president.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened. So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue.
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I just built a building on Pennsylvania. You know, the hotel,
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the old post office it was. We called it Trump
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National Hotel. And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria.
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And it was a wonderful thing. But I'm driving down.
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I'm passing the hotel. You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military.
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You know, it was a major thing. I got off
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really the first time I used Air Force One, landed,
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and we're coming down, and it was very beautiful. I mean,
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it was incredible. And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in
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the opposite direction. You know, normally you're used to going
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one way, and all of a sudden you're going the
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other way. The street was loaded up, and I wanted
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to go out, and I wanted to wave to everybody,
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but that wasn't smart. you know, the kids, a little
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bit dangerous, right? I mean, when you watch like Kennedy
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and some others, right? But I really felt, I don't know,
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the love was so crazy. And so I did get
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out of the car for a brief, you know, just
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for a very short walk. I thought it was very
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important to do. And Melania got out with a beautiful
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dress on that became sort of a staple. It was,
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people loved it and barren and we're walking down the street.
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But where it really got Amazing. We get to the
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White House, and now it's a little bit— a little
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bit before dark. Beautiful. And we went up to the
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president's quarters. They call them the presidential quarters. And I'm
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standing in this beautiful hallway. You know, it's funny. Nobody
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ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside.
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You know, you think it's going to be— everything's going
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to be all metal doors and stuff. It's not. It's
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so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury. The
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hallway is like 25 feet wide. The ceiling heights are,
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it's so beautiful. But I was standing there and I
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said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln Bedroom.
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I had never seen the Lincoln Bedroom. I'd heard about
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the Lincoln Bedroom. And I was standing with my wife.
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I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln Bedroom.
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I mean, it was like, it was amazing. Because it's, look,
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if you love the country, but here you are, The
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Lincoln bedroom. And the bed, you know, he was very tall.
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He was 6'6, which then would be like, like Barron. Right.
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It would be like Barron Trump. He's 6'9. But 6'6,
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he was very tall. Then on top of that, he wore...
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There it is. He wore that. Yeah, there it is.
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It's a long bed, elongated bed. And because very, you know,
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people were shorter than... You see some of the chairs
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are very, very low to the ground, actually. But he
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had the long bed. And they had... You had the
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Gettysburg Address right on that, right under that. You can't
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see it here, but right there, the original version of
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the Gettysburg Address. And this is the original. And I'm looking,
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and I just looked around. I said, do you believe this?
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Because I was never a politician. First of all, even
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if you were a politician, but I was never a politician.
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I sort of just started, right? And all of a sudden,
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I'm standing in the White House. And it was very,
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very surreal. That room was so beautiful to me, much
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more beautiful than it actually is. You know, to me,
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when I looked at the bed and the bed, you
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could see it was a little bit longer, had to
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be a little bit longer. He lost his son and
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they suffered. The two of them suffered from melancholia. They
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didn't call it depression. They called it melancholia and they
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suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy and
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she was a very depressed woman, more so than him.
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And on top of that, they lost their son. whose
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name was Tad, Tad. And it was, just seeing it
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in the little pictures, the little tiny picture, I mean,
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you can't see the details there, little tiny, everything, a
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little tiny picture of Tad, who he lost, and it
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was devastating. And he was, you know, he was, look,
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he was in a war, and he was having a
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hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee. Robert E.
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Lee won like 13 battles in a row And he
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was getting like a phobia, like a fighter. You know
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a lot about the fight stuff. But, like, I went
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to a UFC fight. And it was a champion who
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was 14-1 about a year ago. You would know the names. 14-1.
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And the only guy he lost to was this one guy.
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But the guy that he was fighting was like almost
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just an average fighter. He lost numerous times, but he
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beat this one guy. So I said, okay. I really
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don't know who you're talking about. I will figure it out. Okay.
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But about a year ago. But the point is that
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he lost. He wasn't nearly the fighter. But the one
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who was not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the
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only guy that beat the champ like five years before.
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And I said, I'll take the guy that won the
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other fight. And that's what happened. He beat him a
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second time.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes psychological advantages.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was this crazy thing. Lincoln had a– I
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don't know. I've never read this. I heard it from
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people in the White House who really understand what was
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going on with the whole life of the White House.
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But Lincoln had the yips about– in a way, as
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the golfers would say. He had a phobia about Robert E. Lee.
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He said, I can't beat Robert– Because Robert E. Lee
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won many battles in a row. He was just beating
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the hell out of them. You know, they tried to
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get Robert E. Lee to be on the North. But
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he said, no, I have to be with my state.
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You know, the state was his whole thing. And he
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went to the South. And he was, I've had generals
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tell me, we have some great generals, the real generals,
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not the ones you see on television, the ones that
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beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record time.
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It was supposed to take years. And we did it
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in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These
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are tough guys. These are not woke guys. But their
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favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee.
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In terms of strategy? Strategically. He took a war that
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should have been over in a few days and it
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was years of hell, a vicious war. And so here
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I am standing there and again, I had never really
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done this before. I ran. I ran a number of
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months before I won. I probably, I guess if you
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figured max it out, it would be a year, something
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like that. So I had never run for office. And
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I did well. I mean, I went into debates. We
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had 18 people, including me. And then slowly but surely,
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they started to disappear. We had debates, good debates. Everyone's
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aware of all this stuff.
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Speaker 2: But what I want to get to is like what
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was the experience once you got inside? What did you
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think it was going to be like in terms of
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like your ability to govern? Like this is your first
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experience governing anything. You've never been a governor. You've never
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been a mayor.
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Speaker 1: Private stuff.
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Speaker 2: Business.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But now all of a sudden you're inside the White House.
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Speaker 1: The biggest thing was just that first moment of being
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in this hallowed– it was really a hallowed place to me.
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It was beyond– to me, that was the experience. It
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was a surreal experience. And then with time, that wears off.
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With time, it becomes, you know, your place where you stay. Right.
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I was doing a lot of– I had two things
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that I really focused on, governing the country and survival.
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Because from the moment I won, before I got to office,
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all of a sudden, I mean, they came down. I mean,
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nobody has ever been treated that way. And you see that.
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I mean you see we're in the Washington Post very
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early on. They said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts
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and it did. I mean it literally started from the beginning.
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So I had survival and run the nation. I had
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a combination. Most people don't have the survival. They get in.
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Speaker 2: What did you expect though in terms of like once
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you got inside, you had a point?
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Speaker 1: All these people.
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Speaker 2: How many appointments did you have to make?
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Speaker 1: Well, you have actually 10,000 appointments. Now, they're different. You
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have big ones and then they appoint 100 people and
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200 people. But the president really is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments.
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So you'll appoint a secretary of state and he or
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she will appoint a lot of people. So it's a lot.
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But in terms of major ones, you probably have like 100.
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But they're big ones, treasury, state. military.
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Speaker 2: And how did you know who to appoint?
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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't. I had no experience. I was there
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17 times in Washington and I never stayed over. According
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to the press, which I think is probably right, over
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the years, I was only there 17 times. I never
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stayed over. So now I'm sitting there, I'm saying, this
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place is gorgeous, but you know, I don't know anybody.
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It's like you, you know, you go to certain areas
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and other areas, they may be great. Washington was great.
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Washington's not so great right now. We got to fix it.
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We got to make it better. A very dangerous place,
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very badly maintained place. We're going to make it great.
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We're going to make it better. We're going to bring
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it back. But I wasn't a Washington guy. I was
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a New York guy. I was a New York builder
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and I built buildings in New York and I knew
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that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington world
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too well. And all of a sudden you're supposed to
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be appointing top people.
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Speaker 2: So what did you think it was going to be
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like versus like, did you have any ideas of what
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it was going to be like and what was different?
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Speaker 1: Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from
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the standpoint of a donor.
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Speaker 2: I was a donor.
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Speaker 1: I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians.
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I enjoyed politics.
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Speaker 2: Mostly Democrats, right?
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Speaker 1: Both, really. Pretty much both. Actually, pictures of Ronald Reagan
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and me when I was very young. You were a
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Democrat until like what year? I was a Democrat. I
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could get you the exact. But the early 90s, the
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early 90s, I switched over eventually. I actually– They had
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a reform party. I was thinking about doing that for
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a little while. But then fortunately I didn't because it's
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very hard. You know, it's a two-party system. And anytime
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you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr.
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and so do I. He's a fantastic guy.
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Speaker 2: I do. But I thought that being an independent was nonsense.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It doesn't work because even if you
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do great, you're not going to get Congress. In other words,
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you need now to say, OK, now I'll get half
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of Congress. They're never going to vote for you. So
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even if you got there, which is very hard, and–
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And I know how you feel about Bobby and I
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feel the same way and he's now with us. But
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it doesn't– it's pure and simple. It's a two-party system. Right.
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And somebody– I won't mention his name. But somebody spent
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$ 250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform
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Party candidate or whatever and they got just nowhere. You
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get eaten. You just get eaten. The system eats you alive.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So– So it was really somebody that not only was
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new to Washington, but was new to politics. So in
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the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents,
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you've had 92% were politicians and 8% were generals. General Eisenhower,
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General Washington, right? General George Washington, he had generals. So
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it's 8%, no admirals, 8% generals, And 92% politicians, you know,
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they're politicians and they go on. So they never had
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a business guy or they never had a guy that
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wasn't elected to an office. They were all like Ronald
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Reagan was really, he was a movie actor and then,
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but he became the governor of California for, I think,
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two terms and then he ran. So you'd never had
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a thing like this. But I, you know, in terms
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of me and sometimes I'd use it as an excuse
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and I don't like having excuses actually, but I'd use
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it as an excuse. I had to rely on people
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that I respected or liked but that I didn't know
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that well because I didn't know them that well. Some
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of those people I campaigned against because when you have
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18 people– we had mostly politicians running in the election,
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running in the primaries and they got knocked out one
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by one. But I got to like some of them.
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Some of them I didn't like at all. I don't
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like them now. I'd rely on them and I'd rely
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on other people. So all of a sudden– People would
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come in. I'd like to recommend so-and-so to be secretary
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of state. And I'd have three, four people recommend. One
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thing I can tell you, Joe, everybody wants the position.
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Speaker 2: Of course.
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Speaker 1: No, no. But sometimes I'll hear a lot of people
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don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough
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to work with, et cetera. Let me tell you, everybody
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wants to be any one of these positions. They'd die
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for it. Of course. Now, they don't want to be known.
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I mean, there's a particular guy in New York, primarily,
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a very big Very big, very successful, very strong, very political,
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although he's not a politician. He'd give anything to be
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secretary of state. But if they ask him, no, I
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don't think I would do it. But in the meantime,
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begging for it. OK, begging. I believe you. Everybody– look,
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everybody wants it. By the way, no matter what you do,
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but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a
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politician because a politician has been basically vetted for years. Right.
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You pick a business guy. And they've never been vetted
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at all and they're the head of a big company
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or something. But they've never been vetted. You know nothing
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about his personal life. You know nothing about where he's been.
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When you put them in, it's a little bit dangerous
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because all of a sudden they get checked up and
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you hear things that you're saying, wow, this is not
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going to work out too well. So it's very dangerous.
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Picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.
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Speaker 2: So you're kind of stuck in a position where you
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have to pick established people. And then the problem with
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established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.
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Speaker 1: And they're stiffs in many cases. Stiffs. They're survivors. I
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find that– What.
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Speaker 2: Do you mean by stiffs? When you say stiffs?
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Speaker 1: They don't have nothing. They have nothing. Or they're smart
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and survival. One little thing. So there was a congressman
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years before I ran, and I was very close to him.
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And I needed a license on something, and he was
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very important in getting the license. But it was a
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little bit controversial, the license, this particular thing that was
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being licensed. But I was close to this guy. And
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helped him and everything else. And I went to him.
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I said, I'd like to have your help. And he said,
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let me take a look at it. I said, oh,
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that's not too good. But I really hope you're going
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to help. Anyway, he tapped me along for a long
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period of time and ultimately didn't do it. And I said,
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you are a stiff. You could have done this thing
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so easy, et cetera. But it was controversial. He was
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in Congress for many years, like 28 years. And, you know,
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there's a reason when somebody's there for 28 years, you've
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got to be sort of smart. Right. You know, you
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have all the scandals. A survivor. And I realized he
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was a survivor.
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Speaker 2: And so they never do anything controversial. They never take
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any chances or speak their opinion. It's outside of it.
20:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:49
Speaker 1: And yet I don't disrespect him for it. So I
20:51
actually respected the guy more in a way, in a
20:53
certain way. Cause he did survive. You know what? He's
20:55
been there like for 28 years and he made it through.
20:59
A lot of people don't make it through.
21:00
Speaker 2: It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.
21:03
Speaker 1: Well, it is. I mean, it certainly is.
21:05
Speaker 2: So you're, you're in there, you have 10,000 appointments you
21:08
have to make. Like, So you're getting advice from people
21:11
and at one point– did you have a moment in
21:14
time where you realized like these are bad choices? Like
21:18
some of these people I shouldn't have had in there?
21:20
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I think– so the one question that you'll
21:23
ask me that I think you'll ask me that people
21:25
seem to ask and I always come up with the
21:28
same answer. The one mistake because I had a lot
21:32
of success, great economy, great everything. Everything was great. We
21:36
were The military rebuilt it. Biggest tax cuts in history.
21:40
All this stuff. We had a great presidency. Three Supreme
21:44
Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick
21:47
them young. This way they're there for 50 years, right? So,
21:51
you know, even if a president is there for eight years,
21:54
oftentimes they never have a chance. I had three. It
21:56
was sort of the luck of the draw. But I
21:59
will say that it always comes back to the same answer.
22:04
The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people.
22:06
I picked some great people, you know, but you don't
22:09
think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't
22:13
have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't
22:16
have picked. Neocons? Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal
22:21
people or.
22:22
Speaker 2: People that were just bad. Because you got bad advice.
22:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, you're reading about them
22:28
a little bit today. A guy like Kelly who was
22:31
a bully, a bully but a weak person, you know.
22:33
You know more about bullies than anybody probably around because
22:36
you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are
22:39
exposed very quickly. But, you know, he's bad. Bolton was
22:44
an idiot but he was great for me because I'd
22:47
go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You
22:49
know John Bolton. A friend of mine called me up.
22:52
I was picking Bolton and he's a very smart guy.
22:54
His name is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy
22:57
from Las Vegas, one of the. He's a great card player.
23:00
He doesn't play cards, but he's a great player. You know,
23:02
he's just a natural. He's got poker sense, right? You know,
23:05
the good old poker sense. And Phil Ruffin is a very,
23:09
very wise kind of a guy and one of the
23:13
richest people around and has had great success and understands people.
23:18
So it was in that I was picking Bolton or
23:21
I picked Bolton. He called up. He said, don't pick him.
23:24
He's a bad guy. Now, he wasn't in politics at all.
23:27
He's in politics. various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy.
23:33
He's just, it always works out bad with that guy.
23:36
And I said, oh man, I wish you told me
23:39
this two weeks ago. I already hired him. You know,
23:40
he's here. And he was right. But he was good
23:45
in a certain way. He's a nut job. And every
23:49
time I had to deal with a country, when they
23:52
saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man,
23:57
Trump is going to go to war with us. He
23:58
was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East.
24:01
They should have never done it. I used to say
24:03
it as a civilian. So I always got more publicity
24:07
than other people and I didn't– it wasn't like I
24:09
was trying. In fact, I don't know exactly why. Maybe
24:13
you can tell me why.
24:14
Speaker 2: Oh, I could definitely tell you. You said a lot
24:16
of wild shit.
24:16
Speaker 1: Maybe. Maybe.
24:18
Speaker 2: He said a lot of wild shit and then CNN
24:22
in all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made
24:25
you much more popular. And they boosted you in the
24:28
polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit,
24:33
pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you,
24:37
they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him.
24:40
That's really him. When you see certain people talk, certain
24:43
people in the public eye– You don't know who they are.
24:46
You have no idea who they are. It's very difficult.
24:49
You see them in conversations. They have these preplanned answers.
24:53
They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to
24:56
the meat of it. One of the beautiful things about
24:59
you is that you freeball. Like you get out and
25:01
you do these huge events and you're just talking and
25:04
you're making– we've highlighted you on the show many times.
25:07
We did this Biden impression where he's walking around. He
25:09
doesn't know what he's doing.
25:10
Speaker 1: It's funny.
25:11
Speaker 2: It's stand-up.
25:11
Speaker 1: It's funny stuff.
25:13
Speaker 2: But it's like you– you were making fun of Elon
25:16
one time. You were doing an Elon impression. It's great.
25:19
You have like comedic instincts. Like when you said to Hillary,
25:22
you'd be in jail. Like that's great timing. But it's
25:25
like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician.
25:29
Like no one had done that. And I think …
25:41
It's the most dangerous business.
25:43
Speaker 1: Well, for a job? Yes.
25:45
Speaker 2: I mean other than going to war and being a
25:47
firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business.
25:50
Speaker 1: It's the most dangerous. Being president is the most dangerous.
25:53
Speaker 2: Especially you. I mean you haven't even got to the election.
25:57
There's been two assassination attempts and they've brushed those out
26:00
of the news like it was nothing.
26:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them.
26:03
Speaker 2: Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard
26:07
people would be attacking the right. They would be trying
26:10
to get guns taken away from people. They would try
26:12
to ramp up gun laws. They would try to figure
26:15
out some way to blame you. If there was a
26:17
tax on– if Biden got shot in the ear, we
26:19
would have never heard the end of it.
26:21
Speaker 1: But I think he's in good shape because it's only
26:23
consequential precedents. If you take a look at what's happened, look,
26:28
I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and
26:32
trillions even dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of
26:34
dollars from China. Nobody took in $ 0. 10, not one other president.
26:38
I do things that make it, I mean, that don't
26:42
necessarily make me so popular. I just do what's right.
26:45
And when you do that, you know, you're more, look
26:47
at Iran. We would have never had the attack on
26:50
Israel at all. Iran was broke. I told China, if
26:53
you buy, you can't do business in the United States
26:56
under any circumstances. We're going to go cold turkey with China.
27:00
Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway.
27:02
But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil
27:05
from them, you're not doing business. I say that to
27:07
many countries. Iran was broke. They had no money for Hezbollah.
27:10
They had no money for Hamas. They had no– but
27:14
I make myself– I mean I understand what I'm doing.
27:18
You make yourself a target and it's a very dangerous business.
27:22
But if you just look at statistically– so I said–
27:26
I sort of think– I don't know if it's right.
27:28
But one-tenth of one percent for a race car driver.
27:31
It's a pretty dangerous business, right? One-tenth of one percent.
27:35
For a bull rider, I tell you, to me– You're
27:37
talking death? These guys that ride the bulls is worse
27:40
than UFC. It's worse. Yeah. These guys, you see these
27:42
big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion
27:45
where the foot is like an inch away from the head.
27:49
If it hits him, the guy is gone. But they die.
27:51
They die.
27:52
Speaker 2: So one-tenth of one percent die. Is that what you're saying?
27:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. One-tenth of one percent die.
27:55
Speaker 2: Right.
27:56
Speaker 1: And they certainly get hurt badly. Really. I mean they
27:58
can't walk after a certain period of time. But with
28:01
a president, if you look at.
28:04
Speaker 2: The amount of assassination attempts.
28:06
Speaker 1: And attempts too. And attempts. No, it's a very dangerous position.
28:09
I never thought of that, by the way, when I
28:11
did it. You don't tend to– Do you.
28:13
Speaker 2: Just assume because people loved you on The Apprentice, they
28:15
were going to love you.
28:16
Speaker 1: As a president? Well, I figured it would be so easy.
28:18
Speaker 2: Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't
28:21
attack you the way they did, if they didn't conflate
28:24
you with Hitler. I mean even today, like Kamala was
28:27
talking about you and Hitler. You're They're going to take
28:29
what you said about Robert E. Lee.
28:31
Speaker 1: Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South won.
28:32
Speaker 2: He loves Robert E. Lee.
28:33
Speaker 1: That's right. He loves Robert E. Lee.
28:35
Speaker 2: They love to take things out of context and distort things.
28:38
Speaker 1: But they don't even have to take them out. They
28:40
make them up entirely. They do that too. But it's interesting.
28:43
When you mentioned the– I was very popular and all
28:48
those people loved me. I mean this– some of these women,
28:53
they're so stupid and joyous. She would– every time she'd
28:58
see me, like I'd be in the theater or something,
29:01
she'd say, you have to be on the show again.
29:03
Come on. Come on. Let's go.
29:03
Speaker 2: We have to– She loved you.
29:04
Speaker 1: She loved me.
29:05
Speaker 2: That episode where– By the way, Whoopi– People should watch
29:08
that episode just to see what we're talking about. Like
29:10
I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike,
29:11
so we're not going to put it up. But if
29:13
you watch the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative
29:16
universe and it's only nine years ago.
29:19
Speaker 1: Whoopi loved me. Loved you. Gives you a hug and
29:21
a kiss. And how about that other one, the new
29:23
one on there, the one from my administration? She writes
29:27
me a letter. You're the greatest president. She leaves. You know,
29:30
she worked as like an assistant press secretary. I hardly
29:33
knew her. But she leaves and she writes me this
29:36
gorgeous letter. What's her name? She was. I don't even know.
29:40
You know, anyway, she was in the administration. She's on
29:43
now currently. Sits in the far right-hand side, whatever the
29:46
hell her name is. And she writes a letter, the
29:49
most beautiful letter. She's quoted in the paper. He's a consequential.
29:53
He was the greatest president, blah, blah, blah. Then all
29:56
of a sudden she goes in the view. She started
29:58
hitting the hell out of me. Because they won't hire
30:00
unless I've had many people go on CNN and they
30:02
call and said, I don't know what to do. They
30:05
want to pay me a lot, but I have to
30:06
be negative on you. I said, be negative. That's OK.
30:08
There are guys on like CNN. They won't hire them.
30:12
Sean Duffy is a congressman and he retired. He got
30:16
a good job with CNN, but he was only positive
30:19
about Trump. So they kept him, but they would never
30:22
put him on. I mean, I respect what he did.
30:25
He could have gone negative. I tell people. Go negative.
30:28
Let my friends make the money. It's so crooked. The
30:31
press is so crooked.
30:32
Speaker 2: It's crooked but it's also– they're diminishing themselves.
30:35
Speaker 1: They're hurting themselves.
30:37
Speaker 2: They're killing all their credibility and it's opening up the
30:39
credibility to new media. It's opening up the credibility to
30:42
independent media.
30:43
Speaker 1: The worst I've ever seen though– and I've seen the worst.
30:46
I mean I've been a part of it. I've seen
30:48
the worst. Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer
30:53
that a child wouldn't give. It was so bad. And
30:57
60 Minutes took the answer out. They took the whole–
31:01
and they put another answer in.
31:02
Speaker 2: They edited it deceptively.
31:04
Speaker 1: Which didn't make sense either but it was better. They
31:06
took the– well, it wasn't editing. It was fraud. This
31:09
was not editing. Editing is where I'll give an answer
31:12
and they'll take a couple of words and change them
31:14
around or they might even take a sentence or two off,
31:16
which is very bad. But that's– it's sort of bad.
31:19
I'd give an answer, which was a very good answer.
31:22
I always talk about– I like to give long the
31:25
weave answers.
31:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like to weave things in.
31:28
Speaker 1: But when you do the weaves, and you have to
31:30
be very smart to do weaves. When you do the weave,
31:32
look at this. Just in this one thing, we're talking
31:34
about little pieces.
31:35
Speaker 2: You've got to get it back to home.
31:36
Speaker 1: No, no. It comes back home for the right people.
31:39
For the wrong people, it doesn't come back home and
31:40
they end up in the wilderness, right? But they can
31:44
take my answer. And you know what? They may take
31:47
a little piece of it out or something. And they
31:49
use the term, yes, we want to save time. Well,
31:52
it's not right. But I've never heard. I think it's
31:55
the biggest scandal in broadcast history, what happened to CBS.
31:59
So you have CBS 60 Minutes. That's a news program.
32:02
It's not an entertainment program. It's under their news. It's
32:04
the head of their news thing. She gives an answer
32:07
that was– that shows that she's essentially incompetent and they
32:12
took the answer. Could you imagine them doing that for me?
32:14
Speaker 2: We can show it if you want people to see it.
32:16
Speaker 1: Can we show it? No?
32:17
Speaker 2: We'll get in trouble. We'll get copyright strike.
32:20
Speaker 1: OK. I'll indemnify you.
32:23
Speaker 2: But it's drastic. But what was interesting was the other
32:27
full version was available initially. It was like a preview.
32:31
Speaker 1: Somebody made a big mistake.
32:32
Speaker 2: Somebody put that preview out there. Some kid put the
32:34
preview out.
32:35
Speaker 1: Exactly. And then the bosses did this or that. Exactly.
32:37
And then all of a sudden they said, we got
32:38
a problem.
32:39
Speaker 2: Exactly.
32:40
Speaker 1: And then it became– They got caught by mistake. Well–
32:42
But don't you think that's a big– to me– and
32:45
don't forget, this is election interference and fraud. And it's
32:49
60 Minutes. It's their news division. So it's a big deal.
32:54
They give those licenses out, Joe, for free. They should
32:57
pay a fortune. They're worth a fortune. They give them
32:59
out for free because they're using the public airwaves. With cable,
33:04
you don't have that. Cable's different. But, you know, it's
33:07
just a different deal. But with the networks, they give
33:10
those licenses. They're worth billions of dollars. They give them
33:14
out free. But you have to be honest and all.
33:16
That was bad. I think that David Muir and that
33:18
woman that was a site, I never even heard of her,
33:20
but They kept interrupting me. It was like– I said,
33:23
how many people am I debating here? I got this
33:25
one and I got you two. But he went after
33:28
me 11 different times. It's interesting. I always thought he
33:32
was a nice guy but he's just like the rest
33:34
of them.
33:35
Speaker 2: Well, that's his job unfortunately and I'm sure– No, but
33:37
not when they're wrong. You're right. Well, the problem was
33:40
they fact-checked you and they didn't fact-check her.
33:43
Speaker 1: Not at all.
33:43
Speaker 2: One of the most egregious examples of that was when
33:46
she said that there is– there are no troops right
33:49
now deployed in war zones.
33:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:51
Speaker 2: There's a very famous viral video that went online of
33:54
troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck
33:57
are we then? Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw,
34:01
the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various
34:06
examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of
34:10
troops that are currently deployed.
34:12
Speaker 1: Stupidly deployed.
34:12
Speaker 2: But the point is if this is going to be
34:14
an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if
34:17
it's going to be a real debate, you have to
34:19
fact check everybody. Like if someone says maybe she thought
34:22
there was no– which is also a problem. So it's
34:25
one of two things. It's either it was not true.
34:28
It was a lie on purpose, which is terrible. Or
34:32
it was the opposite. It was ignorance, which is also terrible.
34:35
Speaker 1: Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, no, no,
34:38
crime has gone down. I said, where did you hear
34:41
that one? Crime has gone down. I mean I'm debating
34:43
with this guy. But I've had that.
34:45
Speaker 2: Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after
34:48
that that showed the crime had gone up substantially.
34:50
Speaker 1: And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because
34:53
when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some
34:55
of the worst places. They didn't include some of the
34:57
worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when
35:01
the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right.
35:04
Speaker 2: You turned out to be right. But then there's another problem.
35:06
Unreported crime is way up. Because people have lost– look,
35:09
the morale that the police department has in a lot
35:12
of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit,
35:14
the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible. It's
35:17
the dumbest idea of all time. But what they've done
35:20
is they've made these cops feel terrible, like good cops.
35:24
I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of
35:26
them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you
35:29
run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job
35:31
in your house, you say carpenters fucking suck. But they
35:34
don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the
35:36
key with cops. But the point is like they did
35:40
all of these things in this very foolish way. And
35:44
these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so
35:46
subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported.
35:49
A lot of crime– like you call the cops. They're
35:52
too busy. They can't even get to you. Or your
35:53
house got broken into. Sorry. It doesn't even make a report.
35:57
There's a lot of people that they just give up.
36:00
Speaker 1: It's so sad what's happened. And I'll tell you what–
36:04
I go to police funerals and we went to one
36:08
in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island.
36:10
Very big deal. It's so dangerous. People don't realize. The car,
36:16
dark windows, pull over. He's a gentleman. Please pull over.
36:20
Door opens. Guy comes out firing. Even if they were
36:24
allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not. They
36:26
can't pull out their gun. They still wouldn't have time.
36:29
Speaker 2: It's every cop's worst nightmare.
36:31
Speaker 1: They open the door. And he was killed and his
36:34
partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don't have,
36:37
I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a
36:39
second to think. And it is such a dangerous job.
36:43
That in particular, think of it, you go up to
36:45
a car, you don't know who's sitting there with a gun.
36:47
And if they have a gun, you really don't have
36:49
a chance. You're not allowed to have your gun out,
36:51
by the way. Yep, they're very strict rules. So number one,
36:54
they're in it. But even if you could have your
36:56
gun out, the door opens and a guy and bullets
36:59
start firing out, you know, and especially where they have
37:02
the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows. It
37:05
is such a dangerous profession. And it's very hard to
37:09
get cops now because they're not given any backup. And
37:13
you're right. You know, they have like an eighth of
37:16
a second to make a decision that's going to change
37:18
their life. If they make the wrong decision, they're going
37:21
to end up on the front page of every newspaper
37:23
in the country. And they're going to lose their house
37:26
and their pension and their job and their wife is
37:28
going to be gone and everything is going to be gone.
37:30
Speaker 2: And here's another thing that people don't talk about. How
37:32
many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. These
37:35
guys are seeing people shot all the time. I've talked
37:39
to a ton of cops about it. A lot of
37:41
cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed.
37:44
Speaker 1: But we have to give them back their dignity. We
37:47
have to. We can't. We just have to give it back.
37:50
You said it so good. You never hear anybody say that.
37:54
You're never going to have it perfect. You're going to
37:55
have a bad apple. In everything, in every profession. But
37:58
every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive publicity
38:01
and it taints everybody else.
38:03
Speaker 2: But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say
38:06
defund the police, get rid of the police.
38:08
Speaker 1: Even Kamala Harris was a part of that.
38:10
Speaker 2: It's a very stupid way to look at it. What
38:12
you should do is fund the police. You should have
38:14
better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated.
38:17
You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that
38:21
all of them suffer through.
38:22
Speaker 1: Go ahead. She was a big part of Defund the Police.
38:25
That was a big thing for her, Defund the Police,
38:27
always Defund the Police.
38:29
Speaker 2: Well, it's a political idea.
38:30
Speaker 1: But anybody with that political thought, I don't think should
38:34
be running for president. And I think people are getting
38:36
wise to it. You know, we're doing pretty well now.
38:39
I don't know. Maybe in a week from now, say,
38:41
sorry about that. I was wrong. But we're leading everything.
38:44
And I think we're going to have a very good election.
38:47
But I tell people because people are starting to get
38:49
to know her. But she was to fund the police.
38:52
She was to all these transgender operations. You know, if
38:56
you wanted a sex change and you were in detention
38:58
and you demanded a sex change, they would give you
39:01
a sex change.
39:01
Speaker 2: Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free
39:05
sex change to illegal immigrants.
39:07
Speaker 1: That's right. In detention.
39:09
Speaker 2: That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest problem
39:13
you have? You just walked here from Guatemala. You need
39:15
to become a girl.
39:16
Speaker 1: But she was in favor of it.
39:17
Speaker 2: Yes.
39:17
Speaker 1: So think of it. Now she changed. She changed 15 policies.
39:22
In fact, I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.
39:24
Speaker 2: She stole your idea about no tax for tips.
39:28
Speaker 1: I came up with this idea, but honestly nobody ever
39:31
heard of it. Now, it took her two months, but
39:34
you know what? Well, it caught fire. And she just
39:36
put it into a little speech. Yeah. It became popular.
39:39
I think we still have that issue. I think that
39:41
issue is a good one for us. But no, we
39:43
have a lot of good issues. You know, we had
39:45
the other day. Think of how simple some of these
39:47
things are. We're trying to get cars built in the
39:49
United States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been a disaster.
39:53
They have a huge factory, a huge car auto plant
39:55
being built by China in Mexico. Make cars, sell them
39:58
in the United States, put everybody out of business, right?
40:00
Here we go again. I said, if that plant is
40:03
there when I'm president, I will put 100 or 200
40:07
percent tariffs on every car. They'll be unsaleable in the
40:10
United States. And they just announced they're not going to
40:13
build the plant because they think I'm going to win.
40:15
Think of it. They're not going to build the plant.
40:17
This was the biggest plant in the world. More than
40:21
all of Michigan makes. That's how big. You know, this
40:24
is what we're getting to. And I said, if that
40:28
plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win,
40:31
I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of
40:33
100 or 200 percent apiece so that you won't be
40:36
able to sell them in the United States. They just
40:39
announced they're not going to build the plant.
40:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that.
40:41
Speaker 1: I did a big favor for our country by doing that.
40:45
And I'm not even there yet. To me, the most
40:48
beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple
40:50
of weeks in the dictionary today, is the word tariff.
40:56
It's more beautiful than love. It's more beautiful than anything.
40:59
It's the most beautiful word. This country can become rich.
41:04
With the use– the proper use of tariffs.
41:07
Speaker 2: Did you just float out the idea of getting rid
41:10
of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
41:13
Speaker 1: Well, OK.
41:13
Speaker 2: Are we serious about that?
41:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. But why not? Because we– ready? Our country
41:18
was the richest in the– relatively in the 1880s and 1890s.
41:24
A president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the
41:28
tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs. His language was
41:32
really beautiful. We will not allow the enemy to come
41:37
in and take our jobs and take our factories and
41:40
take our workers and take our families unless they pay
41:43
a big price. And the big price is tariffs. And
41:47
he'd speak like that, but he was right. And then
41:50
around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to, frankly,
41:54
an income tax. And you know why? Because countries were
41:57
putting a lot of pressure on America. We don't want
41:59
to pay tariffs. Please don't. You know, they believe me,
42:02
they control our politicians. If you look at the kind
42:05
of numbers that these guys make then and now. But
42:10
we had a commission meeting in the, I think it
42:16
was 1887. Think of this problem. We were so rich.
42:20
We had so much money. We didn't know what to do.
42:23
So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs.
42:27
And the sole purpose is what to do with all
42:30
the money we had. We were so rich. Because we
42:33
were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs.
42:38
And China does it. That's what China did. If you
42:40
want to open a factory and sell cars, if you
42:43
build a factory here or have a factory, they don't
42:45
take our cars. They wouldn't take our cars. But if
42:48
you build a plant in China, you can do that.
42:52
Elon did that. By the way, Elon is great. That
42:55
guy is such a great guy. I think you're a
42:57
fan of Elon. He is from a different planet. He's
43:01
the greatest guy. That rocket coming in. I told the
43:06
story once or twice. So you may have heard it
43:08
because his speeches have been good. Did you see the
43:10
one last night? Yeah. Twenty nine thousand people. That was it. Yeah.
43:13
And the one the night before was the same thing.
43:16
We are we are rocking and rolling. But but Elon,
43:20
I'm talking to this very important guy. I say, wait
43:23
a minute. I'm looking at something. The television's unmuted. Right.
43:26
And I see this rocket. It's all dead. brown from
43:29
the heat, you know, 10,000 degrees pouring down at thousands
43:33
of miles an hour. And I see this thing, you know,
43:36
it's like a 20-story building. And I say to this guy,
43:39
he's an important guy. Wait a minute. Let me just
43:42
put you down. Hold it. I got to see this.
43:45
And I see this, and it's going to crash. I say,
43:47
it's going to crash into the gantry. They call it
43:49
a gantry. I said, oh, man, that's going to be
43:52
a disaster because it's starting to get very close. And
43:54
then all of a sudden you see the flames and
43:56
about a roar. And then you see the two arms
43:59
grab it.
44:00
Speaker 2: Crazy.
44:01
Speaker 1: And I forgot the guy. I had him on the phone. No,
44:06
I called Elon. I said, was that you? He said,
44:08
that was me. And I said, who else can do that?
44:10
He said, nobody. Russia can't do it. The United States,
44:13
nobody can do it. You know, I set up Space Force.
44:15
That was me. And that's the first time in 82
44:17
years that we opened another branch since the Air Force.
44:22
And that's going to be one of our most important things.
44:23
But Think of what Elon does. And he did one
44:26
other thing that I never heard of it. It's Starlink.
44:31
I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places.
44:35
I followed it right down. And they had no communication.
44:38
The polls were all knocked down. And one of the
44:41
guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor?
44:45
Do you know Elon Musk? Yes. He endorsed me. By
44:48
the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement, too. He said,
44:51
the country's going to fail. You should do the same thing, Joe.
44:54
Because you cannot be voting for Kamala. Kamala, you're not
44:58
a Kamala person. I know you. I've watched you. I
45:01
know him better than he is. You know what? Without
45:03
speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost
45:05
as well as your wife. I have watched you for
45:07
so many years. You're not a Kamala person. You're a
45:10
Khabib person, but you're not a Kamala person. Nobody's going
45:14
to know who Khabib is, but.
45:16
Speaker 2: Oh, they know who he is.
45:18
Speaker 1: He was not bad, right?
45:19
Speaker 2: Oh, he was phenomenal.
45:20
Speaker 1: But that's your kind of person.
45:21
Speaker 2: Your weave is getting wide. We're getting wide with this weave.
45:24
I want to bring it back to tariffs.
45:25
Speaker 1: But wait one second. Before we finish with tariffs, so
45:29
they said, could you get him? We need Starlink. And
45:32
I call Elon. He got it for him so fast.
45:34
Saved so many lives. And I said, how was it?
45:37
They said, better than the wires. They couldn't put them in.
45:40
They were all gone.
45:42
Speaker 2: I used it recently in Utah in the mountains.
45:44
Speaker 1: Did you find it good?
45:45
Speaker 2: Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size of like an iPad.
45:48
You just set it down on the ground. You get
45:49
high-speed internet.
45:50
Speaker 1: It's incredible. We're spending– just to show you, we're spending
45:54
a trillion dollars to get cables all over the country, right?
45:59
Up to upstate areas. We have like two farms and
46:03
they're spending millions of dollars to have a kid.
46:05
Speaker 2: Well, talk about the $ 42 billion that was wasted on
46:08
this internet access program. They didn't get anybody access to internet.
46:13
Speaker 1: They haven't hooked up one person yet.
46:14
Speaker 2: Not one person. They spent $ 42 billion. They could have
46:17
gotten Starlinks to everybody. With that kind of money.
46:19
Speaker 1: For almost nothing. Yeah. For a monthly charge.
46:22
Speaker 2: And it would have been incredible. And it's high speed
46:24
internet everywhere you want to go.
46:25
Speaker 1: And he wanted to do that. And he wanted to
46:27
do it. How about this? They built the charger stations, right?
46:32
In the Midwest. They built eight of them. They cost
46:36
$ 9 billion. That's like a gas pump, right? They built
46:40
nine gas pumps except electricity comes out. They spent $ 9 billion.
46:44
Three of them don't work. The whole thing. There's so
46:48
much wasted. I could sit here and tell you about
46:51
things that there's so much waste, abuse and fraud. Oh,
46:56
there's– yeah.
46:58
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I mean I think everybody is aware of
47:00
that now.
47:00
Speaker 1: Let's get back to tariffs.
47:01
Speaker 2: When you're talking about– one of the criticisms of your
47:04
administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase
47:07
the deficit. So– Was the– what was the strategy behind
47:13
that and did you think it was going to increase
47:14
the deficit by a substantial amount?
47:17
Speaker 1: OK. We were ready to rock. It was all– I
47:21
had a bad system. We had horrible tax policy. I
47:24
made it great with a much lower tax rate. So
47:29
I took it from almost 40 percent down to 21 percent.
47:33
Now I'm bringing it from 21 down to 15 but
47:36
only if you make your product in the United States.
47:39
which is great. People call me, they said, what a
47:41
great idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don't
47:43
care if they make the product in Japan. Why should
47:45
I give up? So it's a 21. At 21, in
47:50
the first year, we took in much more revenue than
47:53
we did at almost 40. Think of that. It inspired.
47:57
Now we had other things too. We were able to
47:59
get people to bring back their money. You couldn't bring
48:03
back your money. If you had money in Europe, like Apple,
48:07
Apple had Many billions of dollars outside. They couldn't bring
48:11
it– there was no way to bring it back in.
48:13
The bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing and also the
48:16
tax was too high. They wanted like half of it
48:18
or something. Nobody is going to do that. So they
48:20
leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there.
48:24
That was part of what I did. The money came
48:27
pouring back in. Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars.
48:30
They brought it back from overseas. They brought it in.
48:32
Speaker 2: So how does the deficit increase because of that?
48:34
Speaker 1: So what happened is this. We were ready to rock.
48:37
and roll, and then we had the COVID thing, and
48:39
we had to focus on that. And if we didn't
48:43
give some businesses a hand, they would have all— you
48:45
would have had a depression like in 1929. But we
48:49
were ready to start. We were going to— we would
48:51
have very shortly been paying off debt. You know, we
48:54
have $ 35 trillion in debt. And I'll never forget it.
48:58
We were— it was talking about from, you know, the
49:02
standpoint of being in office. I'm in the Oval Office,
49:05
and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio, the two very
49:09
good pollsters, probably, I don't know, I would say the
49:11
two best, who knows, but very good pollsters. And we're
49:14
starting to think about running for a second term. And
49:19
we had the great... economy in history. Never has there
49:22
been an economy like this.
49:23
Speaker 2: And you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs.
49:27
Speaker 1: Two things. And also I cut regulations more than anybody else.
49:31
And I asked many of the businessmen from the big companies,
49:35
the guys running the big companies, I'd say, so have
49:37
you had your choice? You've had it now for a
49:39
long time. What's more important to you, the tax cuts,
49:43
you paid less tax, or the regulation cuts? Every one
49:46
of them said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would
49:49
think that, right? Because you don't equate it to dollars,
49:52
but it actually is more dollars. We had it going
49:57
and then we just had to focus on something else.
50:00
But they were sitting there, these two pollsters were sitting
50:04
there and they said, sir, if George Washington came back,
50:08
And Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Waltz.
50:13
How bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham
50:16
Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you. And I'll
50:21
never forget it. The following day, they said, something's happening
50:25
in China, sir. Could we meet? I said, what's happening?
50:30
People are dying. And it was all around the Wuhan lab,
50:33
by the way. There are pictures with little lines saying,
50:37
their body bags all around the Wuhan lab. And I
50:42
always said that from the beginning, Joe was, you know,
50:43
they tried to say, first I said it was France
50:46
and they blamed everybody. But then they say it was
50:49
bats from a cave, 2000 miles away. So we got
50:53
hit with that. And despite that, we had the best economy.
50:57
And when I gave it over, the stock market was
51:00
higher than it was pre COVID. I mean, nobody could
51:03
even believe it, but we saved it. And, We were
51:08
helping businesses. They were dying.
51:10
Speaker 2: So it's your belief that if you had a second term,
51:14
given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming,
51:17
that you would have been able to pay off a
51:19
lot of the debt. And that was the strategy.
51:21
Speaker 1: If we didn't have COVID, we would have been paying
51:23
off debt and we would have had– and don't forget,
51:26
by growth, the word growth is actually more important in
51:29
a way because you could have the same debt. But
51:31
if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're
51:32
under levered. But still, we should pay off debt. You know,
51:36
if you viewed this $ 35 trillion right now, it's a lot.
51:42
But if you look at the asset value, if you
51:44
looked at it purely as an asset value, we have
51:48
oil underground, we have water, we have mountains. I mean,
51:51
the assets are so enormous. But regardless of that, we've
51:56
got $ 35 trillion in debt. We should pay it off.
51:59
And we would have started paying off debt and probably
52:02
even giving further, given further Tax reductions. I want to
52:06
get it down to 15%. We're going to do more business.
52:10
But when you get hit with a COVID, everything stops
52:13
and you have to keep these businesses alive. The businesses
52:15
were dying. I mean, they were just dying. This whole place,
52:18
this country was going to die.
52:19
Speaker 2: Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from
52:25
wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those
52:28
sort of things outside of the environmental concerns, which.
52:30
Speaker 1: Are legitimate, of course?
52:32
Speaker 2: But are there other influences that may be over-accentuate or
52:37
over-exaggerate these environmental effects? Are people being influenced in a
52:41
way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?
52:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So– The environmental is the biggest tool for
52:50
stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is regulation. And
52:55
if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now
52:57
to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you
53:00
do everything, it's almost, it's becoming impossible. But they use
53:06
environmental in order to get people not to do anything.
53:12
And sometimes I say, You know, I look at some
53:15
of the– I know the environmental stuff better because I
53:17
had to build buildings in New York. I had to
53:19
build– I had to do environmental impact studies. And I
53:22
would see some of these guys that I'd hire for
53:23
a lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through
53:26
the process. And they'd be up in Albany. That's the
53:29
capital of New York. And they're up there trying to
53:31
make it tougher for guys like me that were builders
53:35
because they'd get paid more money. In other words, I
53:39
had one guy– Highly recommend it. You know, I was
53:43
good at getting permits. I was one of the kings.
53:46
I was always very good. But the environmental stuff was
53:49
always horrible. They could slow a project down 10 years,
53:53
15 years. I had a project in Louisiana built, big
53:56
LNG plant. It was for 14 years. It was going
54:02
to cost $ 18 billion, one of the biggest, like the
54:05
Empire State Building, laying down on the side times four.
54:08
Massive on the coast, on the Gulf Coast. And they said, sir,
54:12
they're going to give it up. I said, they shouldn't
54:14
give it up. What's the problem? They can't get their environmental.
54:17
They had environmental permits that would fill this whole room
54:20
up to the ceiling. And they said there was one
54:23
mistake on one little line. They wanted to do it
54:25
all over again. It's not going to happen. And I
54:28
got them their permit instantly. And they built a plant.
54:33
It's massive.
54:34
Speaker 2: So when you're saying that there's people that are making
54:38
money by making it difficult, are you talking about lawyers?
54:41
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about environmental consultants and lawyers.
54:44
Speaker 2: Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process.
54:48
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And they make the process worse.
54:50
Speaker 2: How do they profit off that?
54:51
Speaker 1: And I'd probably do the same thing about them, to
54:53
be honest with you. As a businessman. To be honest
54:55
with you.
54:55
Speaker 2: How do they do that? How do they make it?
54:57
Speaker 1: Let's say New York. They go to Albany. Okay. And
55:00
they convince people that if you have a certain type
55:02
of plant on the ground that's this big and in
55:05
theory valueless, that it's a rare plant and you cannot
55:09
even touch it. You can't go near it. You can't
55:13
put a building on it. You can't do anything. Or
55:16
there's a little puddle and they call it a lake.
55:19
and you have to go by the standards of a lake.
55:21
I said, no, no, that's a puddle. Oh, you have
55:23
no idea. Guys are filling little puddles. You have no
55:27
idea what they do. And they use it as a
55:30
way to stop you.
55:31
Speaker 2: They use it as a way to stop you and
55:32
also as a way to generate money. I'm curious how
55:36
they're generating money that way, though.
55:37
Speaker 1: Well, they get fees.
55:38
Speaker 2: They get fees.
55:39
Speaker 1: Massive fees.
55:40
Speaker 2: And people rely on them as experts because they're the
55:44
people that they go to when they have to run
55:46
these studies in the first place.
55:47
Speaker 1: But some of them are just bad guys and they're
55:49
trying to make it more and more difficult. And they
55:51
have a lot of power.
55:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
55:53
Speaker 1: I think they maybe had more. They didn't have as
55:55
much with me because I would get through them. And
55:58
I understood it. Look, I've had– I've done so many–
56:01
they call it environmental impact study. I did so much
56:04
to build a building. To build a building in New
56:06
York is very tough. You got to be very– you
56:08
got to deal with– think of it. Financing, unions, all
56:14
the municipal stuff, environmental. Of all of it, to me,
56:18
the toughest thing was the environmental because they could stop
56:22
you cold with the environmental impact study stuff. And you
56:26
hire a so-called expert. They say, sir, he's the one
56:29
guy who can get you through the morass. It's a morass.
56:32
It's horrible. They use it as a weapon. They use
56:34
it all over the country.
56:35
Speaker 2: But there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct? There are.
56:39
Look at the BP oil spill. There's a lot of
56:41
things that do happen that are environmentally devastating.
56:44
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah.
56:44
Speaker 2: And you want to mitigate that as much as possible.
56:46
Speaker 1: You do. Look, I had– during our four years, we
56:49
had the cleanest air and the cleanest water. I view
56:52
it differently. I say air and water. Remember this. It
56:56
costs much more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn't
57:01
do anything. Right. When Kerry goes to see President Xi
57:06
at China, which he probably doesn't even get to see him,
57:09
but they look at him, oh, yes, yes, we will do, oh, yes, yes,
57:12
we're going to do that. No more coal, no more coal.
57:15
And then they approve 58 coal plants for the next,
57:17
you know, every... They build a coal plant a week.
57:20
They build a lot of coal plants. But let me
57:22
just say, though, so here we are cleaning and scrubbing
57:25
everything and everything's got to... And the air's got to
57:27
be pure. But in 3.8 days... That stuff floating over
57:33
China is right over the top of us.
57:35
Speaker 2: Right.
57:35
Speaker 1: Same thing with the oceans. They dump their garbage into
57:39
the Pacific Ocean. If you take a little cork and
57:43
put it there, in about a week and a half,
57:45
it'll be in front of Los Angeles. We're picking up
57:49
their garbage. So nobody ever talks about that. But in
57:53
a way, the bigger one is even the air. It's
57:56
the currents. It's an amazing thing. It's been... Flowing that
57:59
way for a million years or long before. We share
58:02
air with the whole world. No.
58:05
Speaker 2: We get the Sahara dust clouds over here.
58:07
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
58:08
Speaker 2: We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.
58:10
Speaker 1: But we get the China, you know, they call it
58:13
the China curse. We get the China curse. They're bad
58:17
and their air is dirty. You know, when I went there,
58:20
I had a great relationship with President Xi. We got
58:23
along very well. And they treated me better than anybody's
58:26
ever been treated. Same thing with Saudi Arabia, a number
58:29
of them. But they laid it out. And I said,
58:33
this air is good. Do you know they closed every
58:36
factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles.
58:40
Speaker 2: That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came
58:43
to San Francisco.
58:43
Speaker 1: He cleaned it up. He cleaned it up.
58:45
Speaker 2: He got rid of all the homeless people.
58:46
Speaker 1: Isn't that terrible in a way to think? He cleaned
58:49
it up and then it became a pigsty.
58:51
Speaker 2: Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends
58:53
come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house.
58:56
Like how about just keep your fucking house clean?
58:58
Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
58:59
Speaker 2: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever
59:01
as a governor as to excuse to why you finally
59:04
cleaned up your homeless problem.
59:05
Speaker 1: And the day he left … Right back It went
59:08
right back. Yeah. But in a way, that was a
59:11
bad thing that he did because he showed what a
59:14
disgrace that was. What a disgrace.
59:16
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing that like shows you how
59:19
foolish a lot of these people that are running these
59:21
cities think. A lot of these people that are running
59:23
these states think. It's foolish. Like you– You're insulting the
59:27
intelligence of the people that live in that city that
59:29
are impacted by these people just camping and needles and
59:34
human feces. There's an app that you can buy. There's
59:38
an app that you can get rather that will show
59:40
you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco.
59:44
It's a poo app and it's just everywhere. It's just
59:47
bum crap everywhere.
59:48
Speaker 1: But let me give you one that you may not know,
59:51
which I think you know everything actually. As a student
59:55
of yours. But water. You know in Los Angeles you
1:00:01
can't get proper amounts of water.
1:00:03
Speaker 2: Right.
1:00:03
Speaker 1: And it's unbelievably expensive. And you might have a house
1:00:06
in Beverly Hills and they're actually thinking about rationing water.
1:00:09
Can you believe it? I can believe it. And I
1:00:12
was in the farm court country with some of the congressmen.
1:00:15
We're driving up a highway. And I say, how come
1:00:18
all this land is so barren? It's farmland and it
1:00:24
looked terrible. It was just brown and bad. I said,
1:00:27
but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful.
1:00:32
They said, we have no water. I said, do you
1:00:35
have a drought? No, we don't have a drought. I said,
1:00:37
why don't you have no water? Because the water isn't
1:00:40
allowed to flow down. It's got a natural flow from
1:00:42
Canada all the way up north. More water than they
1:00:45
could ever use. And in order to protect a tiny
1:00:49
little fish, the water up North gets routed into the
1:00:54
Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured.
1:00:58
You got to see this. We're driving up and I
1:01:01
had never seen it before. It's the most it's like Iowa.
1:01:04
It's the most fertile land. I was blessed with great land.
1:01:07
Idaho for a potato. Right. But these they're just by
1:01:11
the way, you know, some land is good for a potato.
1:01:13
Some land is good for corn. It's the craziest thing.
1:01:15
I love the farmers. They're great. They're the greatest. And
1:01:18
by the way, they're getting killed right now.
1:01:19
Speaker 2: They are.
1:01:20
Speaker 1: They're getting killed because of this stupid administration. But so
1:01:23
I see this and I said, you've got to be kidding.
1:01:26
I said, you mean you have water? And I looked
1:01:29
at it. It's like a valve in your sink, except
1:01:31
it's massive. The thing's five times taller than your ceiling.
1:01:35
Speaker 2: Did you know the center of California was a giant lake?
1:01:38
Speaker 1: They have so much water.
1:01:39
Speaker 2: You ever see what it looks like before they rerouted it?
1:01:41
Speaker 1: No, I never saw that.
1:01:41
Speaker 2: The center of California, like, what is it, 200 years ago?
1:01:45
How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center
1:01:47
of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle
1:01:51
of California.
1:01:51
Speaker 1: So they dumped it into the Pacific.
1:01:53
Speaker 2: Who knows what they did. But whatever foolishness that they
1:01:57
did led to the situation that they're in now.
1:01:59
Speaker 1: Think of those dry forests that burned down all over.
1:02:03
Speaker 2: You know, the head of Austria said, you know— Tulare
1:02:13
Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi.
1:02:16
Show a photo of what it looked like back then.
1:02:20
Speaker 1: That's a great system.
1:02:21
Speaker 2: So that's what it looked like. Look at that image.
1:02:23
Go to the one on the third from the right.
1:02:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
1:02:26
Speaker 2: That was an enormous lake in the middle of California.
1:02:28
Imagine that.
1:02:29
Speaker 1: That would be much more valuable property. How crazy is that?
1:02:31
Speaker 2: But how crazy is that? That's what it used to
1:02:33
look like. And human beings screwed that up.
1:02:35
Speaker 1: No, they let it go into the Pacific and then
1:02:37
they did something.
1:02:37
Speaker 2: I don't know what they did. What did they do?
1:02:39
How did it go missing? It said they drained it
1:02:40
in the 80s.
1:02:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, they drained it. 19? 1983.
1:02:45
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. It went dry a handful of times. Oh,
1:02:50
went dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes
1:02:54
do go dry, but that's a big one.
1:02:55
Speaker 1: But think of it. It's a big one to go dry.
1:02:56
You could have all of the water you need. All
1:03:00
of that land would have more water. The whole thing
1:03:02
could be like that little patch. Literally, I'd say, I
1:03:05
was with Devin Noon as a congressman and other congressmen.
1:03:08
We were going up. I was visiting that because... They
1:03:10
asked me to go up and visit their territory, and
1:03:13
I did. But I kept saying, look at this land.
1:03:15
It's beautiful, but it's so dry. And I thought they
1:03:18
were going through like a desert, like a drought. They said, no,
1:03:20
we have water, but it gets real. So I looked
1:03:22
into it. What is the fish? And I got it done.
1:03:25
I got it done. I could have water for all
1:03:28
of that land, water for your forests. You know, your
1:03:31
forests are dry as a bone. Yeah. Okay?
1:03:33
Speaker 2: Dangerous.
1:03:33
Speaker 1: That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything.
1:03:37
Not only dangerous, billions of dollars a year they spend
1:03:40
on Forest fires. And, you know, there's a case with
1:03:43
the environment. They're not allowed to rake their forest because
1:03:47
you're not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down,
1:03:49
after 18 months, it becomes very dry. It's like, you know,
1:03:52
like real firewood. It's bad. You know, a tree that's up.
1:03:56
These are all things I learned the hard way, the
1:03:59
easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water.
1:04:02
It's wet. I went to that. They had a couple
1:04:05
of horrible forest fires in California, and I went. I said,
1:04:08
you know, you had a lot of trees standing. Yes,
1:04:09
they were healthy trees, sir. I said, with this intense heat,
1:04:13
you could see they were charred a little bit on
1:04:15
the bottom, but they were going to be all right
1:04:16
because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water, right?
1:04:19
But when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like
1:04:22
lighting a match. Yeah. And you've got to be able
1:04:25
to clean. They call it maintain your forest. So I
1:04:27
was with the head of Austria. He said, you know,
1:04:30
it's a shame. I see all those forest fires in California,
1:04:33
and all they have to do is clean their forest,
1:04:35
meaning rake it up. Get rid of the leaves. Get
1:04:38
rid of leaves that are sitting there for five years.
1:04:41
Speaker 2: Well, certainly get rid of the dead fall.
1:04:43
Speaker 1: And get rid of the trees that have fallen. So
1:04:49
many things. By the way, I had it all done.
1:04:51
Speaker 2: Could you rake the whole forest, though? I don't think
1:04:53
you could rake the whole forest. I think you can
1:04:54
get rid of the dead fall, but raking all the leaves.
1:04:56
Speaker 1: You could certainly get rid of the dead, okay? Yeah,
1:04:58
I think that's the real issue, the dead fall. You know, environmentally,
1:05:00
they don't want to do that. They said, you know,
1:05:02
it's got to be nature and all this stuff. But
1:05:04
in the meantime, this is exactly right. But you could have.
1:05:08
So it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals.
1:05:12
But Gavin Newsom had to sign them. I got it
1:05:15
all done. Nobody could believe it. It was all done.
1:05:18
I said, I got it. You got so much water.
1:05:22
All you have to do is sign. And that guy
1:05:26
didn't want to sign.
1:05:27
Speaker 2: Did he not want to sign because that would be
1:05:29
a political victory for you?
1:05:30
Speaker 1: I think no. He didn't. No, I don't think so.
1:05:32
You know, he used to say. He's a great president.
1:05:35
And we got along. We did. We actually got along
1:05:38
at that point. But I think somebody said you just
1:05:41
can't continue to call him a great president. You know,
1:05:43
they do say that. But we had it all done.
1:05:46
He didn't sign. And then we got on to other things.
1:05:50
And every time I go to California, you have so
1:05:53
much water. They don't know it. I'm telling you, people
1:05:57
living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water. Same
1:05:59
thing with the electric. They want to go to all
1:06:01
electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend, you know.
1:06:04
Speaker 2: Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035,
1:06:06
you're not going to be able to buy an internal
1:06:09
combustion engine in California. Like within a month, they had
1:06:12
some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because
1:06:17
the grid couldn't handle it.
1:06:19
Speaker 1: I will terminate the mandate immediately. That will be done
1:06:23
I would say in my first day, maybe two days because.
1:06:26
Speaker 2: Let me ask you about nuclear. One of the things
1:06:29
that when I've talked to people that have a real
1:06:32
understanding of nuclear power, what their position is it's probably
1:06:36
the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate
1:06:40
and that the fears of nuclear power are really about
1:06:45
a few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island. These are
1:06:51
old systems and they're much more capable now and they're
1:06:55
capable of making even better systems. But It's a difficult
1:06:58
political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl.
1:07:03
That's what everybody does. They have this connection. They have
1:07:05
the potential disaster.
1:07:06
Speaker 1: Or Fukushima. Or Fukushima. Where you're not supposed to enter
1:07:08
the land for 3,000 years or something. It's crazy.
1:07:11
Speaker 2: I think it's worse than that. I think that area
1:07:13
is like going to be radioactive for probably longer than
1:07:16
you could imagine. But the point is they're better at
1:07:19
it now.
1:07:20
Speaker 1: Right.
1:07:20
Speaker 2: And that they could do it now and you can
1:07:22
generate power in a way that you don't have to
1:07:25
worry about these– one of the most– ridiculous things is
1:07:27
electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing.
1:07:32
Speaker 1: So it's happening. Yeah, it is what's happening.
1:07:34
Speaker 2: And people want to think they're being green.
1:07:37
Speaker 1: Well, you look at the way the battery is made.
1:07:39
But here's the other thing. We don't have– well, we
1:07:42
do actually. It's being held. We have certain areas where
1:07:45
we have great raw earth material and we're not allowed
1:07:48
to use it because of the environment. And we have
1:07:50
areas in California that have incredible raw earth material. And
1:07:54
they're not allowing– and I'm going to open it up.
1:07:56
I'm going to let them use it.
1:07:58
Speaker 2: But how do you do that? China– How do you
1:07:59
do that and protect the environment?
1:08:01
Speaker 1: Because the environment is going to be protected. You can
1:08:03
do it. You can make a lake out of it. OK.
1:08:05
We'll put back a lake. I mean something nice about lakes.
1:08:08
You can do things magnificently.
1:08:10
Speaker 2: You just have to do it carefully and responsibly.
1:08:12
Speaker 1: Absolutely. You have to do it carefully. But the problem–
1:08:16
China has all of those areas, most of those areas.
1:08:20
And yet when they say go electric with the cars–
1:08:24
China is going to be the one that gives us
1:08:25
the cars. All of those guys in Detroit are going
1:08:27
to be out of business. You're going to make your
1:08:29
electric cars over there. We have a thing called gasoline.
1:08:32
And we have more oil and gas under our feet
1:08:35
than any other nation. You know, I had in Alaska,
1:08:39
there's a find. It's called ANWR. I got it approved.
1:08:42
Reagan couldn't get it. Nobody could get it. I got
1:08:44
it all done. It was amazing. They were getting ready
1:08:48
to start drilling. The equivalent, they think, of Saudi Arabia,
1:08:52
one of the biggest finds in the world. It was
1:08:54
all set to go. And Biden comes in. One of
1:08:57
his first orders were, we're not going to use it.
1:09:00
It would have been so good for the— we could have
1:09:02
supplied all of Asia with oil and gas.
1:09:05
Speaker 2: What was the negative of it?
1:09:08
Speaker 1: Right. The negative was politically they didn't think it was
1:09:10
good for them. That's all. That's all it was.
1:09:12
Speaker 2: So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous?
1:09:14
Speaker 1: Taking it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally
1:09:17
it would have been fine.
1:09:18
Speaker 2: So it can be done responsibly?
1:09:20
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
1:09:20
Speaker 2: Oh, otherwise– The point where it protects the environment.
1:09:22
Speaker 1: Well, I think windmills– OK. So they talk about windmills.
1:09:25
That's a good point. I think windmills are really disruptive.
1:09:28
When you talk about the environment, they kill the birds.
1:09:31
You want to see a bird cemetery? Go under a
1:09:33
windmill someday that hasn't been cleaned out. With all the
1:09:37
bird carcasses. It's like massive amounts of birds.
1:09:41
Speaker 2: Well, they're also a massive eyesore. I went to a
1:09:43
ranch in South Texas. We had a drive past this
1:09:46
enormous windmill farm.
1:09:48
Speaker 1: It's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking in the left and
1:09:51
the right and all you.
1:09:52
Speaker 2: See is these big spinning machines that aren't even that
1:09:55
effective at generating electricity.
1:09:57
Speaker 1: Most expensive form of electricity is a windmill. And then
1:10:01
they start to rust and rot. And then they get
1:10:03
abandoned by the people that built them.
1:10:05
Speaker 2: Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too.
1:10:08
When you replace those blades, now you have a problem
1:10:10
because you have to dispose.
1:10:12
Speaker 1: Right.
1:10:12
Speaker 2: You have to dispose these enormous windmills.
1:10:15
Speaker 1: By the way, they say you can't bury them. So
1:10:18
I even question that, but I'm not going to get
1:10:19
into it. But they say you can't bury the blades.
1:10:22
So you have the blades and you can't bury the blades.
1:10:24
You can bury the blades. It's not going to matter.
1:10:26
You'll find areas you can bury. But they come up.
1:10:29
This is what I mean. They come up with this,
1:10:30
but The environmentalist dream is windmills. You know what happens
1:10:35
to them? After five years, they start to rot. After
1:10:37
10 years, you have to replace them. Did you ever
1:10:40
look at certain parts of California where they have heavy
1:10:42
windmills and they've been abandoned? And they're all different manufacturers
1:10:46
in all different companies. I haven't seen that. It is
1:10:49
the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard almost, a
1:10:52
graveyard of windmills.
1:10:54
Speaker 2: It's pollution.
1:10:54
Speaker 1: It's so bad. And in the oceans.
1:10:57
Speaker 2: It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.
1:10:59
Speaker 1: How about in New Jersey? Off the coast of New Jersey,
1:11:02
they want to build. The people are going crazy not
1:11:05
to build them. But we have them. The whales are
1:11:08
washing up on shore. So in 50 years, they had
1:11:11
one whale come ashore. Now they had like 18 come
1:11:14
in the last year.
1:11:16
Speaker 2: What is happening with the whales? I've read about this.
1:11:19
Speaker 1: Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know,
1:11:21
it's a vibration because you have those– you know, those
1:11:23
things are 50-story buildings, some of them.
1:11:25
Speaker 2: Right. And they're super sensitive to vibrations and sounds.
1:11:29
Speaker 1: You know, the wind is rushing. The things are blowing.
1:11:31
It's a vibration and it makes noise. You know what
1:11:34
it is? I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It
1:11:37
drives the whales freaking crazy. Yes. And something happens with them.
1:11:42
But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore.
1:11:45
Speaker 2: And, you know, and yet the environmentalists– Conveniently ignored by
1:11:48
the environmental people.
1:11:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the environmentalists, they don't talk about it. I
1:11:51
think there's nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland. I
1:11:53
see it all over the world. You have this beautiful valley.
1:11:57
It's been there for, you know, in civilization thousands of
1:12:00
years but millions of years. And all of a sudden
1:12:03
you have these ugly windmills up.
1:12:05
Speaker 2: Would your plan to replace that with nuclear?
1:12:07
Speaker 1: What would you do? Well, nuclear is better. I mean
1:12:09
I think there's a little danger to nuclear. But, you know,
1:12:11
we had some really bad nuclear. They did one in Alabama.
1:12:15
They did one in I think South Carolina. They do
1:12:19
them wrong. They build these massive things. Then the environmentalists
1:12:23
get in. I don't want to go into a long
1:12:26
story because it's too long for the show. This show
1:12:28
is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have
1:12:31
hardened concrete. It's number 12 concrete. It's harder than steel.
1:12:34
It's incredible. They put up a wall and an inspector
1:12:37
comes along and goes, nope, nope, you're a quarter of
1:12:39
an inch. The wall might be eight feet wide. You're
1:12:43
a quarter of an inch too short. I'm sorry. You've
1:12:45
got to rip down the wall because it's got to
1:12:47
be poured contiguously, right? You're one quarter of an inch.
1:12:51
I'm sorry. Rip down. You can't rip it down. This stuff,
1:12:53
you can't put a hammer through it. You can't. It's incredible.
1:12:57
Concrete technology is unbelievable. You know what's happened. You think
1:13:01
of concrete.
1:13:01
Speaker 2: So you think that's an example of overregulation.
1:13:04
Speaker 1: Pointless overregulation. Well, you have an inspector that comes along
1:13:06
and he says take down a $ 25 zillion wall. These
1:13:10
things ended up costing $ 25 billion. And one of them
1:13:14
never got opened. But here's the story. So France does it.
1:13:18
France is largely nuclear, and they build small, little, compact plants.
1:13:24
And if they need more, they build the same thing,
1:13:26
and they hook it up, and they hook it up,
1:13:28
because they get too big and too complex and too expensive.
1:13:32
And it is very clean. They say it's absolute. You know,
1:13:37
my uncle, I had a great uncle who was a
1:13:39
great genius, just like other members of my family. But
1:13:44
he was a professor at MIT. for, I think, 41 years.
1:13:49
He was the longest-serving. When I was in the White House,
1:13:52
the head of MIT, Princeton, and Harvard came down to
1:13:54
meet me. And the MIT person said, I have a
1:13:58
book on your uncle, Dr. John Trump. He was our
1:14:00
longest-serving professor. He was a great genius, sir. Do you
1:14:03
know how? And he knew everything about nuclear, from math
1:14:08
to chemistry to nuclear. He knew it. And he said,
1:14:12
someday it's going to be the way to go, but
1:14:14
the problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war
1:14:17
He said Donald someday– this was a long time– Uncle John, Dr.
1:14:23
John Trump. He said someday you'll have a little satchel
1:14:28
at your side and you'll go into a building and
1:14:30
you'll be able to blow up New York City. I said,
1:14:33
Uncle John, that will never happen. He's right. He's right. Well,
1:14:36
that was part of the problem with.
1:14:37
Speaker 2: Giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like that was
1:14:41
the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got
1:14:44
nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it.
1:14:47
Speaker 1: The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming.
1:14:51
It's nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating
1:14:55
for us. We have a guy that doesn't make it
1:14:58
past 4 o'clock. And it's not because of age. You know,
1:15:01
I know so many guys in their late 80s and
1:15:03
they're better than them. I said to one guy, I
1:15:05
think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago. I've
1:15:07
known him a long time. He's 89 years old. He's sharp.
1:15:11
I mean, he's great. Biden gives people a bad name
1:15:15
because that's not an old– that's not an age. I
1:15:18
think they say it because I'm three or four years younger.
1:15:20
I think that's why they say it. They say his age.
1:15:22
It's not his age. He's got a problem.
1:15:24
Speaker 2: He's had two major brain surgeries.
1:15:26
Speaker 1: He did. He did. Those are not good operations. Do
1:15:30
you see what he did today?
1:15:32
Speaker 2: He went running towards the camera and made some apology
1:15:35
to Native Americans and he said that's why he's headed
1:15:38
out west. Like he's off the reservation so to speak.
1:15:42
For lack of a better term.
1:15:43
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was
1:15:48
looking over. I'm saying, hmm, this is strange. It's just
1:15:51
sort of like strange things were happening. Yeah. Well, he
1:15:54
couldn't keep it together.
1:15:55
Speaker 2: But do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together?
1:15:57
Speaker 1: I think so.
1:15:57
Speaker 2: Do you think that they wanted– is that why like
1:15:59
historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right?
1:16:04
Speaker 1: I think they wanted to– well, there's a lot of theories.
1:16:06
A lot of people said do the debate now and
1:16:08
we'll get him out.
1:16:09
Speaker 2: Right.
1:16:10
Speaker 1: I think that maybe could be.
1:16:11
Speaker 2: Well, that is what happened.
1:16:12
Speaker 1: So it's logical to assume that that's the one. I
1:16:14
think they also said do the debate now and get
1:16:16
it over with. Right. I don't think anybody thought he
1:16:19
was going to get out really. That didn't make any sense.
1:16:22
The debate got him out. But I think it's very unfair. Look,
1:16:26
you have a bad debate. His numbers went down. But
1:16:29
I think she's not doing very well right now.
1:16:31
Speaker 2: And I think she looks– Well, I want to get
1:16:34
to that too because it's hard to know. Like the
1:16:36
whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because
1:16:39
most people don't answer polls. So they read the polls.
1:16:41
Speaker 1: Were you ever called from a poll? If I did,
1:16:44
I'd hang up. I was never called by a poll system.
1:16:45
Speaker 2: If I did, I wouldn't answer.
1:16:46
Speaker 1: I'm busy. You know how polls are done? Oh, I'm
1:16:49
going to get myself in trouble. So I really don't
1:16:52
believe too much in them.
1:16:54
Speaker 2: Well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective
1:16:57
use of polls.
1:16:57
Speaker 1: Well, they were very ineffective because I thought I was
1:16:59
doing well. I'd go to a place and I'd have– 30,000, 40,000 people.
1:17:03
Hillary would go. They have 500 people. And they tell
1:17:05
me I'm going to lose. I said, why am I
1:17:07
going to lose? I had 40,000 people. She had 200 people. But,
1:17:10
you know, I have a theory. These pollsters, they charge
1:17:12
you a lot of money too. You know, they charge
1:17:14
you half a million bucks to do some stupid poll
1:17:16
and they interview like 251 people. I don't think they
1:17:20
interview in many cases. I don't want to get myself
1:17:22
in too much trouble. You think it's bullshit? No, I
1:17:24
think they sit there. They make a deal. They get
1:17:26
a half a million bucks and they're safe. Trump's leading
1:17:29
51 to 49. They announce it and everybody says, oh.
1:17:32
Do you understand? Yeah. I don't think they– I think
1:17:36
in a lot– look, I'm a very common sense person.
1:17:40
I think that they probably don't always poll. Some of
1:17:44
them probably never poll. What's the difference between 49 to
1:17:48
51 and 47 and a half.
1:17:52
Speaker 2: Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population. I
1:17:55
don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just
1:17:58
don't think it is.
1:17:58
Speaker 1: I don't know of one person in my whole life
1:18:01
that ever got called by a pollster.
1:18:02
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's my point. So here's my question.
1:18:07
Speaker 1: But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing really well
1:18:09
in the polls now. But I think that's– So this
1:18:11
week I happen to believe in a– I only believe
1:18:13
if they're good. No. I like them this month. But no,
1:18:18
I honestly believe that there's probably a lot of fraud.
1:18:20
I had a poll, Washington Post, ABC, in the Hillary thing,
1:18:24
on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the day
1:18:27
before the election. I knew it was wrong because I
1:18:30
had a rally. I had 29,000 people at a racetrack,
1:18:33
and it was like zero degrees, Wisconsin. And they had
1:18:36
me down 17 points. In other words, you had no chance.
1:18:40
And I won. And I called up my pollster, who's
1:18:43
a good guy, good guy, and I believe he's legitimate.
1:18:47
And some of them are, and some of them aren't.
1:18:49
I said, tell me. me, why did they have me
1:18:51
down so much? I mean nobody is going to believe
1:18:54
them the next time. They said they don't care. When
1:18:57
you're down 17 points, people are going to stay home.
1:18:59
They're not going to vote. Because they're going to say,
1:19:02
I love Trump, but I'm not going to waste my time.
1:19:03
It's cold out. I said, but what do they make
1:19:06
at four or five? He said, at four or five,
1:19:08
they're going to go and vote. At 17, they're not
1:19:11
going to go. So think of it. I was seven.
1:19:12
This is a Washington Post ABC poll. I was down
1:19:15
17 points in Wisconsin and I won. It's crooked stuff.
1:19:21
Speaker 2: There's a lot of crooked stuff. And I wanted to
1:19:22
talk about that, too, because one of the things that
1:19:25
people talk about with you is the denial of the results.
1:19:30
And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the
1:19:32
other day when he was being interviewed and they asked him,
1:19:35
did Trump lose the 2020 election? And he turned it
1:19:38
around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing
1:19:44
the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was
1:19:48
that a concerted effort?
1:19:50
Speaker 1: Well, they say it made a 10-point difference and I
1:19:52
lost by one-tenth of a point. They say it was 22,000 votes.
1:19:58
But look, it was much more than that. And I
1:20:01
appreciate Jay Devin saying that. And by the way, I
1:20:03
think he was a great pick. Do you like J.D.
1:20:06
as a kid? I like him a lot. You're allowed
1:20:07
to say that.
1:20:08
Speaker 2: No, I do.
1:20:08
Speaker 1: I like him a lot.
1:20:09
Speaker 2: I think he's a brilliant guy and I think his
1:20:12
ability to talk like a normal human being. You did
1:20:15
my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast and he just did it.
1:20:17
Speaker 1: How did he do with it?
1:20:18
Speaker 2: He did great. He just talks like a normal human being.
1:20:22
Speaker 1: Is that why you called me to do this? No, no.
1:20:24
He was a nice guy.
1:20:26
Speaker 2: Once they shot you, I was like, he's got to
1:20:28
come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about
1:20:30
the timing.
1:20:31
Speaker 1: Timing's good.
1:20:31
Speaker 2: I think our timing's perfect.
1:20:32
Speaker 1: Do you even have a scar on your ear?
1:20:33
Speaker 2: You got anything on there?
1:20:34
Speaker 1: I do. What did we say? So, right over here. Oh,
1:20:39
it's a tiny little mark. It zicked right there.
1:20:43
Speaker 2: It healed up pretty fucking good.
1:20:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's little. It's not like
1:20:48
some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters.
1:20:50
Speaker 2: No, you didn't get cauliflower here.
1:20:52
Speaker 1: No, no. It was sort of like a top shot.
1:20:55
The point of the bullet was all over the ass.
1:20:57
But you see the. The things take it off a
1:20:59
little bit, but it makes me a tougher guy. You know,
1:21:05
the fighters love their— you know Bo Nickel? He's a great fighter. Yeah,
1:21:08
I love Bo Nickel. How's he going to do? I
1:21:09
think he's terrific.
1:21:10
Speaker 2: He's great. He's a fantastic fighter.
1:21:11
Speaker 1: He was almost like undefeated in college.
1:21:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best
1:21:15
mixed martial artists.
1:21:16
Speaker 1: When is he fighting again?
1:21:17
Speaker 2: He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
1:21:20
Speaker 1: Oh, that's going to be after the election? Yep. So
1:21:23
I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and
1:21:26
I won't bother going. I really— Yeah, I think they're
1:21:29
having a fight right now.
1:21:30
Speaker 2: One of the things that was fascinating also was the
1:21:33
denial of the election results is a pretty common thing.
1:21:36
Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate
1:21:40
president and she said that Russia put you in place.
1:21:42
Speaker 1: Even though she conceded. Yes. You know, she conceded the
1:21:45
night of the election because she was beaten.
1:21:47
Speaker 2: Yes, and it was a thing that was pretty common
1:21:50
for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been
1:21:55
many of them, the Bush administration, the dangling chads, all
1:22:00
that stuff.
1:22:00
Speaker 1: Well, look at these guys in Congress, all these sleazebags
1:22:03
in Congress that are Democrats. They're still denying 2016. But
1:22:07
now they don't so much because they try and pin
1:22:10
it on me. You don't hear them say– But here's
1:22:12
my point. But they denied it right up until the end.
1:22:13
Speaker 2: My point is– This idea of election fraud is a
1:22:17
forbidden topic, and you get labeled an election denier. It's
1:22:21
like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of
1:22:24
the health consequences that people have had from the COVID-19 shots. Oh,
1:22:28
my god. You're an anti-vaxxer. If you say– and what
1:22:32
I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, it's
1:22:35
not 0%. So if you ask me what is the
1:22:38
amount of election fraud in this country– Is it zero percent?
1:22:41
No one thinks it's zero percent. I've never met one person,
1:22:45
not a super liberal, progressive, far left person or a
1:22:50
right wing conservative. Not one person thinks it's zero percent.
1:22:53
They think when you have human beings and also you
1:22:56
have a lot of weirdness that was going on during
1:22:59
the 2020 elections, particularly with mail in ballots.
1:23:03
Speaker 1: And you had legislatures that had to approve and they
1:23:06
didn't approve and they went out and did it anyway.
1:23:09
And you had ballot– you had old-fashioned ballot screwing. I
1:23:12
mean you had– you have people going up and dropping
1:23:16
in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots, et cetera, et cetera.
1:23:19
Speaker 2: There are certain people that think that they have– and
1:23:21
the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler and that in
1:23:24
order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.
1:23:27
Speaker 1: That was OK, yeah.
1:23:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is– I mean you're hearing this now.
1:23:30
Kamala compared you to– said your love of Hitler yesterday.
1:23:35
Speaker 1: Kamala is a very low IQ person. She's a very
1:23:37
low IQ person. You know, I'm for taking tests too.
1:23:41
I think anybody that runs for president should take– they
1:23:43
should give them tests. And it's not an age thing.
1:23:45
It's not based– if you look back on history, 70s
1:23:48
and 80s, some of your greatest leaders in the world,
1:23:51
world history, longtime world history, they were in their 70s
1:23:55
and their 80s. But I think you should take cognitive tests.
1:23:59
I think everybody– they say it's unconstitutional. That's ridiculous. I
1:24:03
think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing.
1:24:06
There's something wrong with her.
1:24:07
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and
1:24:09
the scrutiny– you've been a celebrity for a long time
1:24:12
and you understand what this is like. But for someone
1:24:14
who's in her late 40s who becomes the vice president,
1:24:17
who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then
1:24:20
all of a sudden the weight of the world is
1:24:22
on your shoulders and there's all these people paying– a
1:24:24
lot of people clam up.
1:24:25
Speaker 1: But you either have it or you don't.
1:24:27
Speaker 2: Correct.
1:24:27
Speaker 1: Look, this is an interview. We've covered a lot of territory, right?
1:24:32
And it's fine. I don't care. I want to. I
1:24:35
think it's much more interesting. She– to do an interview
1:24:39
with Anderson Cooper, a softball, crazy softball interview. She took
1:24:46
two days off, and she studied and studied all day long,
1:24:49
and then she comes out with a result that was
1:24:50
a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview. She
1:24:53
couldn't answer a question, and every question is not answered.
1:24:57
I mean, like, what would you do your first day
1:24:59
in office? Okay, I'll build a wall. I won't build
1:25:02
a wall. There's a hundred things you can say. Just
1:25:04
say anything, right? There's something off with her. Well, I
1:25:09
also think— We're dealing with the smartest people. They hate
1:25:12
when I say— you know, when the press— when I called President Xi,
1:25:14
they said, he called President Xi brilliant. Well, he's a
1:25:17
brilliant guy. He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist.
1:25:20
I mean, he's a brilliant guy, whether you like it
1:25:22
or not. And they go crazy. Right.
1:25:25
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean he's not evil or it doesn't mean
1:25:27
he's not dangerous. Yeah, of course not.
1:25:29
Speaker 1: But actually, we have evil people in our country. Yes.
1:25:33
If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia.
1:25:35
He can deal with all of it. I had a—
1:25:38
Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.
1:25:41
How would you have stopped it? Automatic. Two things. I
1:25:44
told him. I said, Vladimir, you're not going in. I
1:25:47
used to talk to him all the time. You're not
1:25:50
going in. I can't tell you what I told him
1:25:53
because I think it would be inappropriate. But someday he'll
1:25:56
tell you. But he would have never gone in. But
1:25:57
you know why else he wouldn't have gone in? Oil
1:25:59
prices at $ 40 a barrel wouldn't have allowed him, wouldn't
1:26:03
have given him the money to prosecute that war, wouldn't
1:26:06
have given him the money. I said it with President—
1:26:09
I was with President Xi. I said it was almost
1:26:11
the same conversation. With Vladimir, it was Moscow. With President Xi,
1:26:18
it was Beijing. It was almost the exact same conversation.
1:26:23
I said, don't do it. He would have never done it.
1:26:25
The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the
1:26:28
middle of Taiwan— 28 bombers. And it's the apple of
1:26:33
his eye. And the same thing with Russia. It's the apple.
1:26:36
Ukraine is the apple of his eye. I used to
1:26:38
talk to him. I had a very good relationship with him.
1:26:41
He wouldn't have done it. He would have never done it.
1:26:43
But he also wouldn't have done it because of the.
1:26:46
You know, one of the reasons that what happened is,
1:26:48
number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all. Not even
1:26:51
a little bit. And who the hell would? But he
1:26:54
doesn't respect him. But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan,
1:26:57
how horribly that was handled. Number one, you take the
1:27:01
soldiers out last, not first. OK, that was a big mistake.
1:27:04
And we had that thing charted out. And they weren't
1:27:06
obeying us. They weren't. Abdul is the head of the Taliban. Boom, boom.
1:27:11
He had to do all these things. Some he didn't do.
1:27:14
I said, nope, you got to do them all. This
1:27:17
guy took, he immediately took all, he left the equipment behind.
1:27:21
13 soldiers dead, but he took everybody out. He took
1:27:25
his soldiers out before. A child would know. That's where
1:27:29
Milley was so stupid. He was such a stupid guy, Milley. Okay.
1:27:33
Those generals should have all been fired. The people that
1:27:37
were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired. Then
1:27:41
they'd be writing books about him, how stupid he was
1:27:43
and bad he was. But you take your soldiers out last.
1:27:48
I had a big rally and I saw a child
1:27:51
in the front row about a year and a half ago.
1:27:54
And I called the child up. I said, do you
1:27:56
mind if I borrow your child? Oh, yes, please. And
1:27:59
they came up. I gave him quick details. I said,
1:28:02
we want to get out of this place. And we
1:28:05
have this and we have this and we have the equipment.
1:28:07
I gave him a little thing. I said, do you
1:28:08
take your soldiers out first or last after everything's done?
1:28:13
You take them out last, sir. A child would know that.
1:28:17
We took our soldiers out first. What was your plan?
1:28:20
And we left a bag room.
1:28:22
Speaker 2: Well, not only that. We left billions of dollars worth
1:28:25
of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.
1:28:29
Speaker 1: The best equipment– yeah, to embarrass us. The best equipment
1:28:32
in the world.
1:28:33
Speaker 2: The Taliban parade where they've got tanks rolling down the
1:28:36
streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
1:28:39
Speaker 1: The fact that we left all that stuff there. We
1:28:40
left the best equipment in the world behind.
1:28:43
Speaker 2: What would you have done differently?
1:28:45
Speaker 1: Well, number one, we would have taken it out. Just
1:28:48
so you go back a little bit further, I had
1:28:50
a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from the time
1:28:54
I had those conversations– because they were shooting our soldiers
1:28:57
with the sniper stuff. They were shooting a lot of them.
1:29:00
They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me,
1:29:03
but they were shooting them. And I said, get this
1:29:05
guy on the phone. The press went nuts when they
1:29:08
heard this. I had a great conversation with him. It
1:29:11
was a tough conversation. 18 months later, there wasn't one
1:29:15
soldier that was ever shot at. And even Biden admitted
1:29:18
it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn't admit it.
1:29:20
His people went nuts. He said, yeah, well, I will
1:29:23
admit no soldier. We didn't have a soldier killed in
1:29:26
18 months in Obama. Afghanistan. Not one soldier was killed
1:29:31
because he understood what was going to happen if that happened.
1:29:36
I didn't have one soldier. Then when I left, after
1:29:39
having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the
1:29:42
history of the country and much more votes than he
1:29:44
got in 2016, when I left, they started shooting our soldiers.
1:29:51
But more importantly, what they did is They did that
1:29:54
whole thing with, you know, leaving. He shouldn't have left.
1:29:57
Number one, should have left from Bagram because Bagram is
1:30:00
this massive base. It's got tremendous acreage around it. Tremendous.
1:30:04
It's a very big. It was built many years ago.
1:30:07
And part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that
1:30:09
is because it goes to China. One hour from where
1:30:12
China makes its nuclear missiles. You should have never left Bagram.
1:30:17
Number one, they should have left from Bagram. They should
1:30:21
have left last. They should have gotten– you know, we
1:30:23
have Americans that are still there. They should have taken
1:30:26
all their equipment out. Everything should– every plane, every screw
1:30:30
should have been taken out, every tent. And I said that.
1:30:33
That's when I realized that Milley was a dummy. I said,
1:30:36
we're leaving, but I want to get everything out. Sir,
1:30:39
it's cheaper to leave it. I said, what do you mean?
1:30:42
Speaker 2: It's cheaper to leave it.
1:30:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it's cheaper to leave it. Cheaper. Cheaper.
1:30:45
He said it's cheaper.
1:30:46
Speaker 2: Not more dangerous.
1:30:48
Speaker 1: He just said cheaper. I said, I want every plane.
1:30:51
I want every tank. I want the goggles. They have
1:30:54
night goggles. They have all this stuff that these guys
1:30:56
now have. He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out
1:30:59
and leave it. I said, so you think it's cheaper
1:31:02
to leave a $ 150 million brand new airplane in there
1:31:06
than it is to fly it out with a tank
1:31:08
of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just
1:31:11
fly it directly back? It's cheaper to leave. I said,
1:31:14
this guy's nuts. I'm telling you, he was so stupid.
1:31:17
He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man.
1:31:21
And there were a number of them. But I defeated
1:31:24
ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who
1:31:27
was so great. I flew to Iraq and I met
1:31:32
the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with.
1:31:36
And we knocked out, you know, I defeated 100% of
1:31:40
the ISIS caliphate. They said it would take five years.
1:31:43
I did it in a matter of a few, literally
1:31:46
a few weeks. And we hit them hard. And he said, sir,
1:31:50
we're going to hit them here. We're going to hit
1:31:51
them there. We're going to hit them here, there. And
1:31:54
I said, this guy's great. I like this guy. I
1:31:56
was told it would take five years. That's why I went.
1:32:00
I said, how could it take five years? We have
1:32:01
brand new fighters. We have the best planes, the best weapons,
1:32:04
the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly
1:32:07
take that long? And I flew to So I flew
1:32:12
and left at 3 o'clock in the morning. Nobody knew
1:32:15
I was going. I got on Air Force One and
1:32:17
we started flying. And when we reached about half an
1:32:21
hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was,
1:32:24
big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir,
1:32:28
I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off all your lights. Why?
1:32:31
We're getting close to our site. I said, you mean
1:32:34
we spent $ 8 trillion that we can't leave the lights?
1:32:37
Think of this. Twenty years, $ 8 trillion, and we can't
1:32:41
leave the lights on in a plane. I said, that's okay.
1:32:44
Turn the lights on. I'm not going to fight them.
1:32:47
Speaker 2: This is because it's too dangerous?
1:32:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, too dangerous because they see the light up in
1:32:50
the air. They'll shoot at it. They'll shoot at it, yeah.
1:32:52
So I said, turn the lights on. Then they said, sir,
1:32:55
we're going to also pull your shades if that's okay.
1:32:57
I said, that's okay. The plane was pitch black. All
1:33:00
the lights outside, you know, the blinking, the blinking reds,
1:33:03
they were all turned off. And I like to sit
1:33:06
with pilots a lot of times. And these guys are specimens.
1:33:09
I always say they're better looking than Tom Cruise, okay?
1:33:15
And they're even taller. Like perfect specimens. These guys, like
1:33:19
for a fighter, you know, you have some guys that
1:33:21
are perfect specimens. And, you know, they pick the best
1:33:25
pilots in the Air Force, United States Air Force, to
1:33:27
fly Air Force One. And I get up there and...
1:33:32
I'm sitting, and I'm feeling my way up. You know,
1:33:35
it's up by 747, so you go through the stairs,
1:33:37
but I sort of knew my way up. There wasn't
1:33:39
a light in the plane. I'm saying, can you imagine?
1:33:42
We spent trillions of dollars, and we're trying to fly
1:33:46
in blind, but I got into the plane. The cockpit
1:33:50
is dark black, little tiny light. You could see the pilot,
1:33:54
a perfect-looking human being. His co-pilot, everybody was perfect. They
1:33:57
were all like movie stars. You know, it's like I
1:33:59
could have cast a movie with these guys and nobody
1:34:01
would believe it because they were too good looking. So
1:34:04
I said, how are we doing, Captain? Sir, we'll be
1:34:07
landing in 10 minutes. And I look outside. There's not
1:34:10
a light. And I'm saying, you know, I've landed a
1:34:12
lot of planes. And you see like little lights at least.
1:34:16
There's nothing. It's just pure desert. And I said, okay, Captain, good.
1:34:23
But I'm looking. You've been in many planes where it
1:34:26
has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet, 90. Goes 1,900, 800.
1:34:33
It's a computer voice, but it sounds like it, but
1:34:35
it's an incredible voice. 700. I say, Captain, are we okay?
1:34:41
I'm looking. Are we okay, Captain? There's no lights. And
1:34:45
I'm looking. You know, normally when you land a plane,
1:34:46
because I sit with pilots a lot. I think it's great.
1:34:48
I think it's a great profession, everything. They're incredible. These
1:34:51
machines are incredible. He said, sir, we're fine. No problem, sir.
1:34:56
I said, you know, I'm glad. I don't see the
1:34:59
lights up there, Captain. Sure, we're okay, you know. So,
1:35:02
I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit. You know, probably
1:35:05
with exaggerating, they'll tell the story. They'll say, Trump was
1:35:07
a coward. So I'm sitting with him, he goes, 500,
1:35:12
and I'm telling you, there wasn't a light on the runway, nothing.
1:35:18
And we're going in. You okay, Captain? Everything good? Yes, sir.
1:35:22
No problem. We'll be down in about one minute, sir.
1:35:25
And I'm telling you, Joe, you know, there's always a light.
1:35:29
There's not a little pin. And all of a sudden,
1:35:33
and you hear, blah, blah, perfect landing like glass. That's
1:35:37
how good, I mean, these guys, between the equipment and the,
1:35:40
it's genius. It's pure. It was so dark, you couldn't
1:35:44
see a thing. There was no runway. You wouldn't know
1:35:47
where the hell you are. You're in the middle of
1:35:48
a desert. And then I got out of the plane.
1:35:51
I said, thank you, Captain. It's a great job. And
1:35:53
then I get out of the plane, and I'm going down,
1:35:56
and I see a general, and another general. And I
1:36:00
see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant, and the various guys.
1:36:04
All central casting. Central casting. They said, sir, would you
1:36:09
like to rest? I said, I don't want to rest.
1:36:11
I want to figure out what the hell are we
1:36:13
doing with ISIS. I'm hearing we can't. It's going to
1:36:15
take years. No, sir, we can do it very quickly, sir. Anyway,
1:36:20
we go into the room. I mean, Biden would have
1:36:23
taken a nap for four days and then left without
1:36:25
a meeting. So we go into the room, and they
1:36:28
have these guys. I say, how long can you do it?
1:36:31
How long? We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir.
1:36:34
I said, wait a minute, they told me five years.
1:36:36
We can do it in, I don't know, he gave
1:36:38
me a number, like, just like in no time. I said,
1:36:42
why haven't you done it? Because the orders came in
1:36:46
from Washington, sir, and they would come here and tell
1:36:48
us what to do. Don't you challenge us? I said,
1:36:51
We're not allowed to do that, sir. That's not the
1:36:53
military way. They tell us what to do and we
1:36:55
have to respect them.
1:36:56
Speaker 2: So do you think that it was incompetence why they
1:36:59
didn't go after ISIS?
1:37:01
Speaker 1: I think it's a bad system. When Mattis goes there
1:37:03
or when Milley goes there who's stupid and they tell
1:37:06
these guys that are actually smart what to do and
1:37:09
the guys that are smart are saying we don't like
1:37:11
what they're doing but they're not allowed to sort of counteract.
1:37:14
Plus the guys that went there are arrogant. They're arrogant fools.
1:37:18
They're like stupid fools. The way they pulled out of–
1:37:22
as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan
1:37:26
with the people falling off the planes. Yeah, it's a disgrace.
1:37:28
It was so– it was worse than Vietnam with the
1:37:31
helicopters falling. It was so bad. There was no reason
1:37:35
for it. Anyway, so we knocked them out and, I mean,
1:37:39
we have great military. We have great people but not
1:37:43
the television guys. And I rebuilt the military and then
1:37:46
they gave a chunk of it. As much as it
1:37:48
is– It's a tiny little piece, believe it or not.
1:37:52
We have an unbelievable— I rebuilt the military. I rebuilt our nuclear.
1:37:57
And in a way, I hated to redo it, but
1:37:59
I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is, Joe.
1:38:04
One bomb— Israel is gone, but forget. One bomb could take
1:38:09
out the entire East Coast. It's so bad. And I
1:38:12
watched these poor fools talking about Our oceans will rise
1:38:17
one-eighth of an inch over the next 500 years. I mean,
1:38:21
we have people, we have countries. Right now you have
1:38:23
five countries. And don't underestimate North, if you take a
1:38:28
look at North Korea, I was there. I mean, I
1:38:32
was with Kim Jong-un. I had a great relationship. I
1:38:34
got along great with him. You know, the press says,
1:38:35
he got along good. That's a good thing. It's not
1:38:37
a bad thing. It's a great thing. Obama thought we
1:38:40
were going to go to war with North Korea. When
1:38:42
I met with Obama just prior to the takeover, you know,
1:38:45
you meet, you have sort of a ceremonial meeting. But
1:38:48
it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it
1:38:50
was supposed to last. I said, what's the biggest problem?
1:38:52
He said, North Korea. By the time I finished, I
1:38:56
was– we had no problem with North Korea. We were
1:38:59
really– it was a little tough at the beginning, remember?
1:39:02
He said, I have a red button on my desk.
1:39:05
I said, I have a red button also, but mine
1:39:08
is bigger than yours and mine works.
1:39:10
Speaker 2: I liked how you called him Little Rocket Man.
1:39:13
Speaker 1: I said, Little Rocket Man, you're going to burn in hell.
1:39:16
It was a rough– Yeah. Oh, so rough that people
1:39:19
were worried. This is crazy. And then one day I
1:39:22
got a call, sort of like a fight. I got
1:39:24
a call. You know, you ever see a pounding? Then
1:39:27
all of a sudden, but I got a call. And
1:39:30
it was from him, meaning his people. They wanted to meet.
1:39:33
They wouldn't meet Obama. He tried to meet. They wouldn't
1:39:36
even talk to him about it. And I think he
1:39:39
expected to go to war. I actually do. I believe
1:39:41
he expected to go. And we checked their nuclear stockpile.
1:39:45
It is substantial. I mean, it's—I said, do you do
1:39:48
anything— I got to know him very well. I got to
1:39:50
know him better than anybody. Anybody. And I said, do
1:39:54
you ever do anything else? Why don't you go take
1:39:56
it easy and relax? Go to the beach? You have
1:39:59
a beautiful beach, nice beachfront property. You know, kiddingly. I said,
1:40:02
you're always building nuclear. Just relax. You don't have to
1:40:06
do it. Let's build some condos on your shoreline. They
1:40:09
actually have gorgeous stuff. And he said— I just have
1:40:13
to do it because I need it for my safety,
1:40:15
et cetera. I got to know him very well. We
1:40:17
had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem,
1:40:20
if you have a smart, really the right president, the
1:40:23
smart president, you're not going to have a problem. And
1:40:26
I say it to people. We have a bigger problem,
1:40:28
in my opinion, with the enemy from within. And it
1:40:31
drives them crazy when I use that term. But we
1:40:34
have an enemy from within. We have people that are
1:40:36
really bad people that I really think want to make
1:40:40
this country unsuccessful. When you look at what's happening at
1:40:44
our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that–
1:40:47
when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into
1:40:50
our country with murderers, we had 13,099 murderers dropped in
1:40:56
our country over the last three years. And 15,000 rapists convicted. Rapists. Yeah.
1:41:02
Drug dealers. Drug lords.
1:41:04
Speaker 2: And that's just the ones that have.
1:41:05
Speaker 1: Been accounted for. Correct. People from mental institutions.
1:41:09
Speaker 2: What do you think this strategy is?
1:41:11
Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of major criminals, tougher and worse than
1:41:17
anybody we have.
1:41:18
Speaker 2: We're seeing the consequences of it in San Antonio. They've
1:41:20
taken over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over
1:41:23
apartment buildings, these Venezuelan gangs.
1:41:25
Speaker 1: Just the beginning.
1:41:27
Speaker 2: What do you think the strategy is? One of the
1:41:30
things that they've said is that you stopped a bill–
1:41:35
from being passed. But didn't that bill also include amnesty
1:41:39
for the people that are already here?
1:41:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is years after the fact. The damage was
1:41:44
already done.
1:41:45
Speaker 2: But what was the bill?
1:41:46
Speaker 1: Well, the bill was nothing. It allowed 2 million people in.
1:41:49
They were going to get amnesty. It was a horrible bill.
1:41:53
It didn't protect us at all.
1:41:54
Speaker 2: But we should just tell people what the strategy is.
1:41:57
So one of the things that's been very clear is
1:42:01
that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that
1:42:05
are coming across the border illegally. They've moved them to
1:42:09
swing states. This is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?
1:42:12
Speaker 1: They're in swing states. Well, that's not a swing state.
1:42:14
I'm going to win Ohio by a lot. So that's
1:42:17
not a swing. But it's called Springfield, Ohio to be exact. Springfield, Ohio.
1:42:22
is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just
1:42:29
had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into
1:42:33
their community. You can't get into a hospital. You can't
1:42:37
get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful little
1:42:40
place to a horror show. And the mayor is a
1:42:43
nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters.
1:42:48
I said, no, you've got to remove them and bring
1:42:50
them back to their country. mostly Haitians in this case.
1:42:54
But they speak no language. They speak no English. No English, man.
1:42:58
In fact, even the language they do speak, I mean,
1:43:00
they can't get interpreters. They can't do anything. And the
1:43:03
mayor's trying to be politically correct. They're all trying to be.
1:43:06
In Aurora, Colorado, you have the worst, probably the worst gang.
1:43:11
MS-13 might even be, you know, those two are the
1:43:13
worst gangs. These are Venezuela gangs. They have taken over
1:43:17
apartment complexes, and they're going to want to take over
1:43:20
the whole thing And you have a weak governor, a
1:43:22
pathetic governor who's a radical left Democrat. He doesn't know
1:43:27
what the hell to do. But you have it in
1:43:29
many other communities, but they don't like to talk about
1:43:31
it because it's bad for the community to talk about it.
1:43:35
These people have been let in here by this imbecile.
1:43:40
I mean it. She's a low IQ person. Low IQ. Right.
1:43:44
Speaker 2: But it's also– it's obviously not just her. There's a
1:43:48
strategy that's involved in letting these people in.
1:43:50
Speaker 1: Well, she was in charge of the border.
1:43:51
Speaker 2: Well, she's in charge of the border but they also–
1:43:52
they utilize that app, the app that used to be used.
1:43:57
It used to be used I think essentially– wasn't it
1:43:59
for shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this country?
1:44:01
Speaker 1: It was used for shipping and now it's used to
1:44:04
deal with the cartels. The cartel, heads of the cartel,
1:44:08
rich people by the way. These are loaded. These people
1:44:10
have so much money. They would call up– think of this.
1:44:14
They call up the app and the app tells them
1:44:17
where they should take their load of illegal migrants from
1:44:21
the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo,
1:44:24
prisons in the Congo. I made a little bit of
1:44:28
a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who you love,
1:44:31
who I love. I assume you love him.
1:44:33
Speaker 2: I love that dude.
1:44:34
Speaker 1: I think he's in a class by him.
1:44:36
Speaker 2: He's probably the reason why you're here.
1:44:40
Speaker 1: I don't know.
1:44:40
Speaker 2: Maybe he's one of the big ones.
1:44:42
Speaker 1: He is the greatest guy. You know, I always say every,
1:44:45
nobody's indispensable. You know, everybody can be replaced. Maybe you
1:44:49
can't be, you might not be, but they know what truly,
1:44:52
I don't think, you know, the things they sold it
1:44:54
for 4 billion. I said, what a Harold, who the
1:44:57
hell is going to pay 4 billion? And they made
1:45:01
like a great deal. I mean, because of him, take
1:45:04
him out. I think it's a whole different.
1:45:05
Speaker 2: No, he's the best.
1:45:06
Speaker 1: He's also the greatest guy. He spoke at my, at
1:45:10
the whole thing with, you know, I had just been
1:45:12
shot and, He got up and he spoke so better
1:45:14
than anybody. I mean, who would be better to introduce you?
1:45:18
I asked of all the people, and I know the
1:45:20
biggest people in the world, and they all would have
1:45:22
loved to have done it. I said, Dana, would you
1:45:24
do it? You know, it was interesting. He was away.
1:45:27
And he said to the people that, you know, one
1:45:29
of my guys called, he said, I won't be able
1:45:32
to do it. I just left with my wife and family.
1:45:35
I said, he said, no, yeah. I was a little surprised,
1:45:38
even though I knew he was very far away. He
1:45:39
was in someplace, some And he deserved it with his
1:45:42
family and all that. And then I said, all right.
1:45:46
So we'll look at who we're going to get. And
1:45:49
all of a sudden she comes in. Sir Dana White
1:45:51
just said he's going to do it and he's coming
1:45:53
back in tonight. He's taking it. The guy is just
1:45:56
an incredible guy and he's like a tough champion but loyal. Yeah.
1:46:02
He's got to be one of your favorite people. He's
1:46:04
one of my favorite people.
1:46:05
Speaker 2: I've been friends with him for 23 years.
1:46:08
Speaker 1: I love him. So would you have– Because what you're
1:46:11
doing here is incredible. I mean everybody tells me. All
1:46:13
I know is today I'm going– you're on Joe Rogan.
1:46:17
People are telling me like– I say, how the hell
1:46:19
do you know that? But it's sort of– what you've
1:46:22
done here is amazing. Where would you be if you
1:46:25
didn't do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show
1:46:27
do you think?
1:46:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would still be doing it for sure. Yeah.
1:46:30
Speaker 1: Would it be at the same level? I don't know.
1:46:33
But you would have the show.
1:46:34
Speaker 2: It's hard to know. I think one of the things
1:46:36
that works for this show, I guess, is that I'm
1:46:39
involved in so many different things. You know, stand-up comedy, UFC,
1:46:43
and all the interests that I have that lead to
1:46:45
the podcast.
1:46:45
Speaker 1: Will you always want to do UFC? First of all,
1:46:48
you love UFC.
1:46:49
Speaker 2: I love it, yeah.
1:46:49
Speaker 1: You love the fights. I mean, I watch you. You
1:46:51
are loving it. They could pay you nothing.
1:46:54
Speaker 2: They didn't pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows.
1:46:56
I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money.
1:46:58
And I became friends with Dana. And my position was,
1:47:02
you're going to give me the best seat in the house.
1:47:04
I get to sit cage side for the fights. I'll
1:47:07
do it. And I wanted to help. I was like,
1:47:08
I think these are the guys that we had always
1:47:10
hoped for. In the early days of the sport, I
1:47:13
started working for the company in 1997. I was the
1:47:16
before the UFC was purchased by Zufa, which Dana worked for.
1:47:19
So I was a part of the previous owners. And
1:47:22
I only did it for a couple of years. It
1:47:23
was just too much and I was losing money. And
1:47:25
it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain.
1:47:29
And you could only get it on direct TV.
1:47:31
Speaker 1: And then I came along and I gave him the sites.
1:47:33
You did. And he loves you for that. And he
1:47:35
never forgot it.
1:47:35
Speaker 2: He loves you for that. He talks about it all
1:47:37
the time.
1:47:37
Speaker 1: Just to interrupt you for one second. So they couldn't
1:47:40
get a site because it was too dangerous and everybody
1:47:43
was against it and they couldn't get licensed. And I
1:47:45
gave them the first two or three sites. And they
1:47:48
were great. And by the way, I went to the
1:47:50
first fight. I said, I never saw anything like this.
1:47:53
It was crazy. It was so good. Take the best
1:47:56
fight you've ever seen. It was like that fight, right?
1:47:58
It was so good that I gave it to him
1:48:00
again and again. And all of a sudden it caught on. But,
1:48:02
you know, when I wasn't in Vogue, you know, I've
1:48:05
had time. You probably never had a time. But I
1:48:08
had times when I wasn't exactly in Vogue. Dana, they
1:48:11
called him. He said, he's the greatest guy. There's nobody
1:48:14
like him. He said, I'll never say anything bad about
1:48:18
that guy because when I need to. it, because they
1:48:20
were having a hard time at the beginning. They almost
1:48:22
pulled the plug a couple of times, right? He said,
1:48:25
he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody
1:48:28
else gave us and nobody wanted anything to do. And
1:48:31
he said, I will never. And there was a time
1:48:35
where it would have been very popular for him to
1:48:36
say bad stuff about me. He said the greatest stuff
1:48:40
about me. He said, you're going to try and get
1:48:41
me to say bad stuff about Trump? I'm never doing it. No,
1:48:44
he's a very, very, very loyal guy.
1:48:46
Speaker 2: Very unusual guy.
1:48:47
Speaker 1: He's a fantastic guy.
1:48:49
Speaker 2: A perfect guy to be at the helm of something
1:48:50
so controversial as the UFC.
1:48:52
Speaker 1: Less controversial now. Well, now it's huge. Yeah.
1:48:55
Speaker 2: Well, this was always the thing that I would hope
1:48:57
that it would be. I always knew that it was
1:48:59
unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I
1:49:01
was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this
1:49:04
long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe
1:49:07
like other people who just think it's too violent.
1:49:09
Speaker 1: Can boxing make it?
1:49:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. Boxing is still a great sport. I love boxing.
1:49:13
Speaker 1: But it seems to be so unimportant now by comparison
1:49:17
to UFC, don't you think?
1:49:19
Speaker 2: I think– well, Dana is working with the Kingdom of
1:49:22
Saudi Arabia. They're going to start promoting boxing now. And
1:49:26
with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing
1:49:28
could return because– The thing is they want to make
1:49:30
fights that other– maybe promoters don't want to make because
1:49:35
they want to protect their fighter, controversial fights where it's dangerous.
1:49:38
Like you don't know this guy could lose. And so
1:49:40
the Saudis, they're smart. They just offer a tremendous amount
1:49:44
of money and they're putting together fights that no one
1:49:46
else can put together. They're doing that in boxing.
1:49:48
Speaker 1: If Dana is involved, he'll probably make it good. You
1:49:51
know the amazing thing though in fighting? No UFC fighter
1:49:56
they say has ever died. And it looks to be
1:49:58
much more violent than boxing. Many boxers have died. Isn't
1:50:02
it interesting? And Dana tells me because they take so
1:50:04
many shots to the face. Yes.
1:50:06
Speaker 2: And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to
1:50:08
protect yourself. So if you get hit in a UFC fight,
1:50:11
you can clinch. You can try to take the fight
1:50:12
to the ground.
1:50:13
Speaker 1: You get options.
1:50:14
Speaker 2: Also, you don't get allowed to get knocked down and
1:50:16
then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed.
1:50:19
And generally, if a guy is really hurt, they can
1:50:22
be finished on the ground and the fight is over.
1:50:24
If it's boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up.
1:50:28
You get up. Your head kind of clears, but you're
1:50:30
still in real bad trouble, and you can kind of
1:50:33
run away and survive until the bell rings. There are
1:50:35
only three-minute rounds, and then you start again. So you're
1:50:37
getting repeated punishment to the head. And then there's also
1:50:41
the issue of guys' weight cutting, which is a problem
1:50:44
with the UFC as well. But weight cutting in boxing
1:50:47
has led to– if you look at deaths in boxing–
1:50:49
There's very few of them in the heavyweight division. Most
1:50:51
of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions
1:50:54
because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight,
1:50:58
their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated. Like
1:51:01
it's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And
1:51:06
you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight.
1:51:08
And it used to be the weigh-ins were the day
1:51:10
of the fight. Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a
1:51:14
fight with Ducku Kim and killed him in the ring,
1:51:16
which is one of the last ones on television that
1:51:18
we've seen.
1:51:18
Speaker 1: That's right.
1:51:19
Speaker 2: That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking. And
1:51:22
it led to a bunch of different changes. One of
1:51:24
them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better.
1:51:27
And the other one is they dropped it from 15
1:51:29
rounds down to 12.
1:51:30
Speaker 1: Which, look, they should do that again. You know, I'm
1:51:34
not the fighter, so. But those 15-round fights were unbelievable.
1:51:37
They were unbelievable. Unbelievable.
1:51:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go back to the golden age.
1:51:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of entertainment. Oh, yeah. Those were the
1:51:43
championship rounds. Those were the greatest fights ever.
1:51:47
Speaker 2: Those last three rounds were crazy.
1:51:48
Speaker 1: That was brutal.
1:51:49
Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a war of attrition. You know,
1:51:51
a lot of people think even like a five-round UFC fight.
1:51:54
UFC is five-minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out.
1:51:58
And those last couple of rounds, those five-round fights, the
1:52:01
fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal.
1:52:03
Speaker 1: Who's the greatest UFC fighter? Are you allowed to say,
1:52:06
in your opinion, it's tough for you to say because
1:52:08
you do this, but who do you think is the
1:52:10
greatest of the fighters?
1:52:12
Speaker 2: There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of
1:52:14
all time. You know, John Jones, most people would say
1:52:19
is the greatest of all time, never lost. There's certainly
1:52:22
a really good argument for that. There's another argument for
1:52:25
George St. Pierre. I always leave in BJ Penn in
1:52:28
his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime, Mighty Mouse. People
1:52:33
forget about Mighty Mouse because unfortunately he's a smaller guy.
1:52:36
He's 125 pounds, flyweight champion. He's one of the greatest
1:52:40
expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen. I think
1:52:42
to this day.
1:52:42
Speaker 1: And Khabib?
1:52:44
Speaker 2: Khabib is fantastic. But if you looked at accomplishments in
1:52:47
terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29-0, but he didn't
1:52:50
have as many world championship fights.
1:52:51
Speaker 1: And probably never lost a round.
1:52:53
Speaker 2: He might have lost to Glace and T-Bow. He might
1:52:56
have lost to him.
1:52:57
Speaker 1: Around.
1:52:57
Speaker 2: He might have lost around. And that was a controversial
1:53:00
fight where people think that Glace and T-Bow could have
1:53:02
even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to
1:53:04
go back and watch it again to make a decision.
1:53:06
Speaker 1: They're great athletes.
1:53:08
Speaker 2: Oh, the best athletes in the world. And the most
1:53:11
dangerous sport in terms of like– I always call it
1:53:15
high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences. That's what fighting is.
1:53:20
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. So there was a fighter named James Toney. Oh, yeah.
1:53:25
I love James Toney. He fought as a very light
1:53:27
fighter and he ended up as a heavyweight. This guy
1:53:29
went through everything. He was almost like a lightweight.
1:53:31
Speaker 2: He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight.
1:53:34
And beat Evander Holyfield as a heavyweight.
1:53:36
Speaker 1: And he was a real fighter. Oh, yeah. So James
1:53:38
Toney and I think it was St. George. George St.
1:53:43
Speaker 2: Pierre.
1:53:43
Speaker 1: St. Pierre. I think it was him. Who did he fight?
1:53:46
James Toney. James Toney.
1:53:47
Speaker 2: No, James Toney didn't fight George C.
1:53:49
Speaker 1: Pierre. He fought a UFC fighter.
1:53:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy Couture fought James Toney.
1:53:53
Speaker 1: Was it Randy Couture?
1:53:54
Speaker 2: But that was like an easy fight. That was a
1:53:55
very easy fight. Randy Couture just took him down and
1:53:57
strangled him.
1:53:58
Speaker 1: And he's half the size. And he just, once he
1:54:02
got to the ankles, in fact, the announcer said, it's over.
1:54:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, he ankle picked him, took him down, mounted him,
1:54:06
strangled him.
1:54:07
Speaker 1: It was pretty quick. But he was talking big because
1:54:09
he was much bigger.
1:54:10
Speaker 2: He was a pretty big guy. I think James just
1:54:12
wanted to make some money.
1:54:13
Speaker 1: You think so? Yeah. But I never forgot it. It
1:54:16
was over very quickly. He was lying sleeping on the
1:54:19
mat and he was talking. He was doing the Muhammad
1:54:21
Ali stuff but it didn't work out.
1:54:23
Speaker 2: But I remember– He sold the fight.
1:54:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Couture probably, wasn't it? Yeah, it was Couture.
1:54:26
Speaker 2: George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. If
1:54:29
he did, he would kill them.
1:54:31
Speaker 1: Was he one of the greatest?
1:54:32
Speaker 2: Yes, unquestionably. The argument– there's like a handful of guys
1:54:36
you can make the argument as the greatest of all time.
1:54:38
People forget about Anderson Silva. In his prime, he was unstoppable.
1:54:42
But that's the thing is.
1:54:43
Speaker 1: And then there's.
1:54:43
Speaker 2: Fedor Emelianenko who fought in pride in his prime. He
1:54:46
was unstoppable. There's this– And you have a couple now
1:54:49
that are pretty good. Oh, we've got so many now.
1:54:51
Alex Pereira.
1:54:52
Speaker 1: Correct.
1:54:52
Speaker 2: There's an argument that he's the.
1:54:54
Speaker 1: Top pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now. He's looking
1:54:55
very good, yeah.
1:54:56
Speaker 2: He's unbelievable. But it's like fighters can only compete at
1:55:00
that level for so many years. And so my opinion,
1:55:02
you have to judge them at their very peak. You
1:55:05
can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting.
1:55:07
You can't judge them when they're coming up. You've got
1:55:09
to judge them in that championship– peak and that championship
1:55:13
peak there's a handful of guys that you would consider
1:55:16
at the very top if.
1:55:17
Speaker 1: They stopped a little bit sooner yeah some of them
1:55:20
would have had you know i mean there are a
1:55:21
couple of that you just mentioned without mentioning names and
1:55:24
they stopped they had the perfect they were unbelievable and
1:55:27
then at a certain age they start getting knocked out
1:55:29
right Yes.
1:55:30
Speaker 2: It's unfortunate. But the thing is that same belief in
1:55:33
themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think
1:55:36
that they can do it long past the time that
1:55:38
they actually can.
1:55:38
Speaker 1: Well, Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable. And then he lost
1:55:42
a close one. Then all of a sudden he got
1:55:44
knocked out.
1:55:44
Speaker 2: He got knocked out by Chris Weidman.
1:55:46
Speaker 1: Right.
1:55:47
Speaker 2: He was kind of clowning in that fight famously. And
1:55:49
Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out.
1:55:52
And then they fought a second time and he broke
1:55:53
his leg on Chris Weidman. And after that fight, he
1:55:57
was kind of never the same because that leg break injury,
1:56:01
which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters. Weidman
1:56:04
actually wound up having the same injury, ironically. There's only
1:56:07
been like.
1:56:07
Speaker 1: Four of those. You're never the same because you can't kick.
1:56:09
Never the same.
1:56:10
Speaker 2: Well, you can. Weidman is still kicking with that leg.
1:56:13
You can. But psychologically, when you throw a kick and
1:56:15
your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for
1:56:18
a year. You have to get surgery. You have to
1:56:20
get bolts and plates to keep your leg together. And
1:56:23
then it takes forever for it to heal.
1:56:26
Speaker 1: It always amazes me how the kicker– I mean you
1:56:28
have those cases. But the kicker will do tremendous damage
1:56:31
to somebody's leg. But their leg doesn't seem to get damaged.
1:56:35
Isn't it sort of amazing? It does get damaged. It hurts.
1:56:37
Speaker 2: More than you think. Yeah, but your shin gets very
1:56:40
numb after a while. And guys that are really good kickers,
1:56:43
they're kicking the thigh and they're kicking the calf. They're
1:56:46
kicking soft areas. And they're slamming this hard, numb shin.
1:56:51
Their shin gets all these like micro fractures all over
1:56:54
the shin and it calcifies. These guys can kick baseball bats.
1:56:57
You ever seen them break baseball bats with their shins?
1:56:59
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
1:57:01
Speaker 2: Some guys can do two baseball bats. Someone will hold
1:57:03
the baseball bat and they'll just kick right through them.
1:57:05
Speaker 1: But see, I watch your enthusiasm now, right? Yeah. And
1:57:08
it's like that's why you're good at it. Nobody does
1:57:11
this better. Without the enthusiasm, forget it.
1:57:15
Speaker 2: Well, it has to be authentic. I mean the only
1:57:17
reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very
1:57:20
interested in it for real. I don't have to manufacture it.
1:57:24
Speaker 1: I'm very interested. So I think that's why. And you
1:57:26
love going in there after the fight and they're sweating
1:57:29
all over you. They're slopping all over you. You're beautiful.
1:57:31
They bleed on me. They're bleeding.
1:57:32
Speaker 2: Sometimes their nose is bleeding.
1:57:33
Speaker 1: Does that bother you a little bit? No. Like two
1:57:35
weeks ago with the guy. I never saw him.
1:57:37
Speaker 2: Khalil Roundstreet, yeah.
1:57:39
Speaker 1: More stuff came out of his nose?
1:57:41
Speaker 2: Yes. It was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used
1:57:44
to it. I just wanted him to be able to
1:57:45
express himself.
1:57:46
Speaker 1: You've done a great job.
1:57:47
Speaker 2: Thank you.
1:57:48
Speaker 1: You've done a great job.
1:57:49
Speaker 2: So back to you and back to what are you–
1:57:53
first of all, I love this idea of you teaming
1:57:55
up with Robert Kennedy.
1:57:57
Speaker 1: Right.
1:57:57
Speaker 2: And I love this Make America Healthy Again idea because
1:58:01
there are chemicals and ingredients in our food that are
1:58:05
illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic.
1:58:08
There's pesticides and herbicides and there's a lot of shit
1:58:13
that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary
1:58:16
and there's a lot of health consequences that people are
1:58:18
suffering from a lot of these things.
1:58:21
Speaker 1: I brought this chart for you because I had a
1:58:23
feeling you'd be asking me. Look at this chart. These
1:58:26
are healthier countries. Look where the United States is. I'm
1:58:29
going to send this to RFK Jr.
1:58:32
Speaker 2: So this is– well, something along the– I was actually
1:58:36
talking to RFK today and he told me that more
1:58:38
than 70 percent of young men are ineligible for the
1:58:42
military because of their health.
1:58:45
Speaker 1: I could see it.
1:58:46
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
1:58:46
Speaker 1: A lot of it is obesity.
1:58:47
Speaker 2: So here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.
1:58:51
Speaker 1: Same chart. Yeah. Did you see that?
1:58:53
Speaker 2: USA.
1:58:54
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
1:58:55
Speaker 2: Jamie is the best.
1:58:56
Speaker 1: He's very good.
1:58:57
Speaker 2: He's the best.
1:58:58
Speaker 1: But look at that. Look at the USA. Not good.
1:59:01
And that's our food.
1:59:02
Speaker 2: That's our diet. That's sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet. That's
1:59:05
the chemicals we ingest. That's what that is.
1:59:08
Speaker 1: But RFK is going to be– I think he's a
1:59:11
great guy.
1:59:12
Speaker 2: I love the fact that you guys teamed up.
1:59:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:59:14
Speaker 2: And are you guys– are you completely committed to have
1:59:17
him a part of your administration?
1:59:18
Speaker 1: Oh, I am. But the only thing I want to
1:59:20
be a little careful about with him is the environmental issues. Because,
1:59:24
you know, he doesn't like oil. I love oil and gas.
1:59:27
Speaker 2: Just keep him out of that.
1:59:28
Speaker 1: So I'm going to sort of keep him out of
1:59:30
a little bit. I said, focus on health. You can
1:59:33
do whatever you want. But you've got to be a
1:59:35
little bit careful with the liquid gold, you know?
1:59:37
Speaker 2: I understand. But listen, there's plenty of good work that
1:59:40
could be done if you focus on health.
1:59:42
Speaker 1: Here's the one that's my all-time favorite. What is that?
1:59:45
See the arrow right here? That's what I left.
1:59:47
Speaker 2: Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not
1:59:51
work with him? Have there been people– To not work
1:59:53
with who? RFK Jr. Yes.
1:59:56
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:59:57
Speaker 2: I would imagine because financially he can put a dent.
2:00:00
Speaker 1: I would say that– and I think in many ways
2:00:04
they've done a good job. In many ways they've done
2:00:06
a bad job. But I would say that the big
2:00:09
pharma wasn't thrilled when they heard that– I've actually always
2:00:15
gotten along very well with him. I've known him a
2:00:17
long time. He's a different kind of a guy. He's
2:00:19
a very smart, great guy. And he's very sincere about this.
2:00:23
I mean he really is– he thinks we spend a
2:00:26
fortune on pesticides and all this stuff and then you
2:00:29
end up– that chart is a terrible chart, the one previous.
2:00:33
It's such a bad chart when you look at where
2:00:34
we are compared to other countries that don't spend 10 cents.
2:00:38
So– and you save a lot of money. But yeah,
2:00:40
I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can imagine, right?
2:00:45
Speaker 2: Sure.
2:00:45
Speaker 1: It's a good question actually.
2:00:47
Speaker 2: Well, certainly if there have been– It doesn't affect me.
2:00:50
some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative
2:00:53
consequences that these people have been profiting off of. And
2:00:57
then you have a guy like RFK Jr. who spends
2:00:59
an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could
2:01:02
say how they've been very reluctant to have you support him.
2:01:05
Speaker 1: I would say that's an understatement. Yeah.
2:01:07
Speaker 2: So what do you do to stop that from getting
2:01:10
in the way?
2:01:10
Speaker 1: Well, look, they've come up with some amazing things. I mean,
2:01:14
I don't know how you feel. I know you're against
2:01:17
certain vaccines. But like the polio vaccine, people had polio.
2:01:22
It was like a disaster. And they came up, Dr. Salk,
2:01:26
and he came up with a vaccine, and there's no polio. Now,
2:01:29
very interesting, there hasn't been polio, but now in the
2:01:32
Gaza Strip, can you believe that? Have you heard that?
2:01:34
There's been a big strain of polio coming out in
2:01:37
the Gaza Strip.
2:01:38
Speaker 2: Is it vaccine-derived polio? Because, you know, there's a strain
2:01:41
of polio that comes directly from the vaccine because unfortunately
2:01:44
sometimes when you vaccinate people for polio, you actually give
2:01:48
them polio. Yeah.
2:01:49
Speaker 1: I mean, all I can do is I sit down
2:01:51
and I listen to him and I'll give it a total.
2:01:54
I would love him to be right. Because if he's right,
2:01:58
it's a lot less expensive generally speaking.
2:01:59
Speaker 2: There's two things that people point to when they point
2:02:02
to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing
2:02:08
is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television.
2:02:11
We're only one of two countries in the world that
2:02:14
allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other one
2:02:17
is New Zealand. But they're more restrictive than we are.
2:02:20
Speaker 1: But those ads, when you hear like, You know, take
2:02:23
a certain drug. And then you hear all the consequences.
2:02:24
And then you say it causes cancer and baldness. We
2:02:27
don't like baldness.
2:02:27
Speaker 2: Suicidal ideation.
2:02:28
Speaker 1: And they said that and eyesight and you can lose
2:02:30
your vision.
2:02:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:02:31
Speaker 1: And, you know, I just– I actually asked one of
2:02:33
these guys. I would never take– I mean, of course,
2:02:36
there's things that are so bad. They go through a
2:02:37
whole list. I guess they save some liability. But, man,
2:02:41
I said, does that affect the purchase? And they say
2:02:44
it really does. When they– when there's something you have
2:02:47
and you read and then they go through the list
2:02:50
of Side effects. The potential side. It's not even the
2:02:53
potential side effects. I mean a lot of people are
2:02:57
just– I ask that question. People hear that. When I
2:03:00
hear it, I'm going to take a pass. It says
2:03:03
may affect your vision, may cause blindness. Yes.
2:03:06
Speaker 2: Well, I know you're aware of Cal and Casey Means, right?
2:03:09
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
2:03:10
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and
2:03:12
this is a very important thing for people to understand,
2:03:15
is what a lot of these drugs do is they
2:03:19
act to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor
2:03:23
metabolic health. But most of these problems that these people
2:03:27
are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis
2:03:30
on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating
2:03:34
nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these
2:03:38
problems that people are having would go away. And the
2:03:41
problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they
2:03:44
wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.
2:03:46
Speaker 1: And this is a fear that a lot of people have.
2:03:47
And the pesticides and things like that on the plants
2:03:50
and the– what do you think of that? Terrible.
2:03:51
Speaker 2: Terrible. Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult
2:03:56
to scale to a point where you got a jack
2:03:57
in the box on every corner. If everybody wants food
2:04:00
and we have food deserts and we have places like
2:04:02
Los Angeles where no one's growing anything and everything has
2:04:05
to be shipped in, it's very difficult to feed that
2:04:08
many people. We've created this incredible society where we have
2:04:11
these enormous cities, but it's very difficult to get food
2:04:15
to these people. And then For a lot of these
2:04:17
people in low-income areas, the only food that's available is cheap,
2:04:21
unhealthy food. And we could fix that. If we could
2:04:26
send $ 175 billion to Ukraine, we could do something to
2:04:29
fix a lot of the health problems that the United
2:04:31
States has. And I think it would help us as
2:04:35
a nation. If you just put it out there that, hey,
2:04:39
as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort
2:04:41
to get people healthier. Just put it out there and
2:04:44
people start making better choices.
2:04:45
Speaker 1: Well, when you look at that chart– It's crazy. They
2:04:48
just gave me that chart because they said you may
2:04:50
want to discuss this topic, which I know is a
2:04:52
big topic for you. And when I looked at that
2:04:54
chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are as
2:04:56
a nation, that's a pretty big thing.
2:04:58
Speaker 2: How are you so healthy? Is it golf?
2:05:01
Speaker 1: Golf? No, it's genetics. I believe– I'm a big believer.
2:05:04
Speaker 2: Genetics is a big factor.
2:05:06
Speaker 1: I really am. I mean my father was– Unfortunately.
2:05:10
Speaker 2: It is a big factor for health. Some people are
2:05:12
just way more robust. But you do play golf a
2:05:14
lot and that is exercise.
2:05:15
Speaker 1: Both of my parents. For me, it's good.
2:05:18
Speaker 2: Fresh air.
2:05:19
Speaker 1: It really is. It's fresh. You're outside. Even mentally, you're
2:05:23
focused on that three-footer. For a couple of hours, you're not.
2:05:27
I go quick. I play fast, real fast and I'm in.
2:05:30
I'm out. But it gives me– I was never one
2:05:32
that could like run on a treadmill. And I can
2:05:35
do it. You know, when passing a physical, they asked
2:05:38
me to run on a treadmill and then they make
2:05:40
it steeper and steeper and steeper. And the doctor said
2:05:44
it was at Walter Reed. They said, it's unbelievable. I
2:05:48
could have gone. I'm telling you, I felt I could
2:05:50
have gone all day. But I said, Doc, I can
2:05:53
do this all day long. I'm not. I have no problem.
2:05:56
But it's boring to me. Do you understand? It's just boring.
2:05:59
Speaker 2: Golf is exciting.
2:06:00
Speaker 1: But I did it for so long. They couldn't believe
2:06:02
it that I did it. And I never– I don't
2:06:04
do it. I don't really– I have friends who are
2:06:06
running this stuff all day long. But I had no
2:06:08
problem doing it. But it's really boring. So with golf
2:06:12
or something or tennis or whatever. Right. Golf, as you
2:06:16
get older, there's something really good about it and you
2:06:19
have competition with your friends. Competition, concentration, focus. And it's
2:06:22
a great handicap sport.
2:06:24
Speaker 2: And it's also a thing I think that's– it cleans
2:06:26
your mind because when you're looking at a shot, that's
2:06:29
all you can think of when you're executing.
2:06:31
Speaker 1: It gives you a couple of– it's interesting. Like with tennis,
2:06:35
if you're much better than somebody, you can't really play
2:06:37
with somebody. It doesn't work. You can give them sort
2:06:40
of the equivalent of strokes, right? But it's not the same.
2:06:43
With golf, you can play with a lousy guy and
2:06:45
give him a stroke a hole or two strokes a
2:06:47
hole or something. You know, it's a good handicapping sport.
2:06:49
But it gives me a little exercise. But I haven't
2:06:51
played in a long time. I won a lot. I
2:06:54
won 32 club championships.
2:06:56
Speaker 2: Didn't you play right after you got shot? No.
2:06:59
Speaker 1: What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau. Do
2:07:04
you know Bryson? Yes. The pro. He's a great player.
2:07:08
And we played– it was a certain thing that we
2:07:10
played I guess called breaking 50 or something. 50 would
2:07:13
play from a certain tee and if you can break 50.
2:07:17
And it got tremendous ratings, sort of like a crazy thing.
2:07:20
It got– he's a great guy.
2:07:22
Speaker 2: But wasn't that like a couple of days after you
2:07:23
got shot?
2:07:24
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know I haven't.
2:07:26
Speaker 2: That was one of the funniest things. You were on
2:07:28
the golf course.
2:07:28
Speaker 1: I think I did. Yeah, maybe I did. But I
2:07:33
view it very interestingly. I'm running for president. Of the
2:07:37
United States. To me, it's such a big deal. It's
2:07:39
so important.
2:07:41
Speaker 2: It's the biggest deal in the free world.
2:07:43
Speaker 1: It's 100 times bigger than the Super Bowl and it's
2:07:46
one person. Yeah. So you're down to two people and
2:07:51
we start off at 9 billion because you have 9
2:07:55
billion they say in the world. Who knows what that
2:07:57
number is? But you get down to 350. million. Sadly,
2:08:00
we have no idea what we have in this country,
2:08:02
but let's assume it's 325, 350. And you're down to
2:08:06
two people. It's the biggest thing in the world. And
2:08:10
when I heard she took off yesterday and she took
2:08:12
off the day before and she's going to take off
2:08:13
tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken a day
2:08:17
off in 50 years. Six days. That's a long time.
2:08:20
I haven't taken one day off. I don't want to
2:08:24
play golf. This is too exciting. Golf is great, but
2:08:28
this is too exciting. This is more exciting than anything
2:08:30
you can do.
2:08:31
Speaker 2: Also, it's the home stretch.
2:08:34
Speaker 1: It's the home stretch. Who would take a day off?
2:08:36
So we have 11 days left now. And think of it.
2:08:41
So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row.
2:08:42
No days off. And I make speeches oftentimes, you know,
2:08:47
sometimes not, but I make speeches. And when you make
2:08:49
a speech, and my speeches last a long time because
2:08:53
of the weave, you know. I mean, I weave stories
2:08:54
into it. And if you don't, if you just read
2:08:56
a teleprompter, nobody's going to be very excited. You've got
2:08:59
to weave it out. But you always have to, as
2:09:02
you say, you always have to get right back to it. Otherwise,
2:09:05
it's no good. But the weave is very, very important.
2:09:07
Very few weavers around. But it's a big strain on your,
2:09:13
you know, it's a big, it's a lot of work.
2:09:15
It's a lot of work. You've got to be careful
2:09:17
of the voice. You can lose that voice. The voice
2:09:19
wasn't designed. I said today, so I made a big
2:09:22
one last night. I was in Las Vegas. Big one
2:09:27
the night before in Arizona. Big one. I mean, they're
2:09:30
all big. There's never been anything like it in terms
2:09:34
of crowd. Never been close. Never been close. They say,
2:09:37
he talks about, the crowd says, you know what's very interesting?
2:09:41
So we get crowds that are, really big. And I say,
2:09:46
you know, I've never had a story because I don't
2:09:49
get good press. I don't think I've had a good
2:09:51
story in years. I really don't. I swear, I don't
2:09:53
think you were talking about it a little bit with Oprah.
2:09:56
Everybody loved me. I became president of the United States.
2:10:01
I did great the second time. I did much better.
2:10:04
I don't want to get you in any disputes, but
2:10:08
I won that second election so easy and not just because.
2:10:11
Speaker 2: But let me get to that. I want to talk
2:10:12
to you about that.
2:10:13
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I did that and now I've
2:10:15
gotten the nomination again. And don't forget, to get these nominations,
2:10:19
you go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis was hot.
2:10:22
Got to go through him. Nikki Haley was hot. Got
2:10:25
to go through her. Went through everybody. Record time, right?
2:10:30
Record time. I got three nominations in a row. Won
2:10:35
the first time. Did much better the second time. I
2:10:37
get– millions of votes more the second time. And now
2:10:40
I'm doing it a third time. And it's an incredible thing.
2:10:44
I never get a good story. I only get bad press. Now,
2:10:48
I will say this. It's a lot easier if you're
2:10:50
a Democrat. If I were a Democrat … You'd get
2:10:53
a lot of positive press. I would get a lot
2:10:54
of positive press. Yeah.
2:10:55
Speaker 2: No, it's a creepy corrupt business and the media to
2:10:59
a large extent acts as a propaganda arm for the
2:11:01
Democratic Party.
2:11:02
Speaker 1: It's not even believable. Yeah.
2:11:04
Speaker 2: It's bizarre to watch and most young people I think
2:11:09
are aware of it. I think most boomers still unfortunately
2:11:12
read the newspapers and believe in CNN.
2:11:14
Speaker 1: But it's getting younger. Yes.
2:11:15
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
2:11:16
Speaker 1: It's getting for us, for a contributor. And, you know,
2:11:20
I don't even– But you know why that is? I
2:11:21
consider myself a person.
2:11:22
Speaker 2: It's the internet. It's because the internet is giving people
2:11:24
information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And like
2:11:27
the very fine people hoax. The Russiagate hoax, all these
2:11:30
different things that they've done, they tried to pin on you.
2:11:33
It's a clear distortion of what you actually said.
2:11:36
Speaker 1: The bloodbath hoax.
2:11:37
Speaker 2: Yes.
2:11:38
Speaker 1: I was talking about the auto industry. It's a bloodbath
2:11:42
because Japan and China are taking our auto– And I said,
2:11:47
it's a bloodbath. They said, oh, he used the word bloodbath.
2:11:50
Speaker 2: He said, if you don't win, it's going to be
2:11:51
a bloodbath because they're.
2:11:52
Speaker 1: Going to take over. That's exactly what you said. It's
2:11:53
a terrible thing they do.
2:11:54
Speaker 2: But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things
2:11:58
out of context and ultimately what they do is they
2:12:00
diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen
2:12:03
to them anymore because they see that they've done that
2:12:05
and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted.
2:12:08
They're intelligent.
2:12:09
Speaker 1: Well, look at the ratings. You know, shows like yours.
2:12:13
So I have a son who's very smart and tall, barren. Right?
2:12:17
And he knows all about you. He knows about guys
2:12:20
I never heard of. He said, Dad, you don't know
2:12:23
how big they are. They're big. I said, who the
2:12:26
hell is he? Like Ross. He said, Dad, he's a
2:12:30
great guy. I mean, guys that are doing it. It's
2:12:33
a whole new world out there.
2:12:34
Speaker 2: It's a different world.
2:12:36
Speaker 1: I'm on TikTok now.
2:12:37
Speaker 2: Congratulations.
2:12:38
Speaker 1: And I've done really well. But you know the crazy?
2:12:41
Have you seen the numbers? Billions? Like Billions of hits.
2:12:45
It's crazy. I'm sure.
2:12:46
Speaker 2: TikTok's a wild application.
2:12:47
Speaker 1: And I've gone up 30 points. A Republican is always
2:12:52
down 30 with young people. I'm plus 30. And I'm
2:12:56
on TikTok.
2:12:57
Speaker 2: I think young people are rejecting a lot of this
2:13:01
woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at
2:13:04
and scolded. They're tired of these people that they think
2:13:07
are mentally ill. Telling them what the moral standards of
2:13:10
society should be today. People are upset.
2:13:12
Speaker 1: There's a big difference now. But even in just a
2:13:15
couple of years, I was shaking hands with people. They're
2:13:18
young people.
2:13:19
Speaker 2: The rebels are Republicans now. They're like, you want to
2:13:22
be a rebel? You want to be punk rock? You
2:13:24
want to like buck the system? You're a conservative now.
2:13:27
That's how crazy. And then the liberals are now pro-democracy.
2:13:32
They're pro-silencing criticism. They're pro-censorship online. They're talking about regulating
2:13:40
free speech and regulating the First Amendment. It's bananas to watch.
2:13:44
Speaker 1: Joe, they come after their political opponent. I got more guys.
2:13:49
I always say, you know, I kid, but I'm not kidding.
2:13:52
I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone. He was the
2:13:55
meanest of them all. He'd kill you in two seconds
2:13:57
if he didn't like you, right? I've been under investigation.
2:14:01
More than Alphonse Capone. Only because it's political opponent stuff.
2:14:05
And I've won. I won the big case in Florida.
2:14:08
I'm winning the other stuff. You win. But you know
2:14:11
what they did? They did something that's only done in
2:14:13
third world countries. They came after their political opponent. Yes.
2:14:16
I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail.
2:14:18
Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but they're now weaponizing it by
2:14:20
saying that that's what you're going to do once you
2:14:23
get in office.
2:14:23
Speaker 1: Isn't it great?
2:14:24
Speaker 2: By ignoring what they're doing right now. It's crazy.
2:14:27
Speaker 1: I heard it today. Somebody was defending me today. They said, no, that's.
2:14:31
They say, that's what you're doing to him. They're going,
2:14:34
he's going to put us in jail. He's going to invest.
2:14:37
Speaker 2: That's what you're doing.
2:14:38
Speaker 1: That's what you're doing to him. Yeah. A lot of
2:14:40
people say, will you do that? Will you do that
2:14:43
to him, to them if you win? The presidency has
2:14:46
tremendous power. I could have put crooked Hillary in jail.
2:14:50
Speaker 2: I respected that you didn't because what you said was
2:14:52
it would be bad for the country.
2:14:53
Speaker 1: No, I couldn't even imagine you have. First of all,
2:14:56
Secretary of State, but more importantly, the wife of the
2:14:59
president of the United States of America going into jail.
2:15:03
And if you ever saw when I'd say something about her,
2:15:06
they'd all say, I didn't say it. I never said it.
2:15:08
They say, lock her up, lock her. And I'd always go,
2:15:11
take it easy. Just relax. We're going to win this thing.
2:15:13
Take it easy. Take it easy. And I'm telling you,
2:15:16
I kept it down. Just the opposite. Now they say, oh,
2:15:18
Trump wanted to put her in jail. No, I saved
2:15:21
her from going to jail. They had more stuff on her.
2:15:24
And Comey had it. Because when Comey got up, and
2:15:28
he stupidly, because he's a stupid guy too, he goes,
2:15:30
he's a stupid son of a bitch. He got up, Joe,
2:15:34
he got up, and instead of saying she's innocent of
2:15:37
all charges, he went over each charge. And each charge
2:15:41
was a killer. And he'd go, and as far as
2:15:44
her doing this, she's innocent. And this, and then she's
2:15:49
only an unfair prosecutor. But every time you heard these charges...
2:15:55
They sounded so bad. They were bad. And all it
2:15:59
was is he wanted more airtime. If he would have
2:16:01
gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton and
2:16:07
she's done nothing that we feel is wrong, it would
2:16:10
have ended. Instead, he wanted to be up there because
2:16:13
he's a PR hound. He's a hog. And he starts
2:16:17
going through. And you know what he had? They had
2:16:19
a huge problem because FBI is great. The people there,
2:16:23
not the top people, the people, the real people, the
2:16:27
people that work there. It's like the real generals that
2:16:28
I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time.
2:16:32
The FBI guys are great. I'll bet you I'd be
2:16:34
at 95 percent in the FBI.
2:16:36
Speaker 2: I bet that's right.
2:16:38
Speaker 1: Underneath.
2:16:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:16:40
Speaker 1: And so here's the thing. So he goes with Hillary
2:16:42
and instead of just saying he goes through each charge.
2:16:45
Speaker 2: Right.
2:16:46
Speaker 1: And. Even I would say, man, those are bad charges.
2:16:49
Speaker 2: Sounds terrible because it's associating her with those charges.
2:16:52
Speaker 1: Don't forget, this is before I got there. Right. Now,
2:16:54
he was trying to protect her. But he did her
2:16:56
a great disservice. Because he wanted attention. He was stupid.
2:16:59
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about 2020 because you said
2:17:02
over and over again that you were robbed in 2020.
2:17:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
2:17:06
Speaker 2: How do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts
2:17:09
you off.
2:17:10
Speaker 1: I'm going to allow— That election was so crooked. It
2:17:23
was the most crooked election.
2:17:24
Speaker 2: OK, but give me some examples of how.
2:17:26
Speaker 1: Well, let's start. Let's start at the top and the
2:17:28
easy ones. OK. They were supposed to get legislative approval
2:17:32
to do the things they did and they didn't get it.
2:17:35
In many cases, they didn't get it.
2:17:37
Speaker 2: What things?
2:17:38
Speaker 1: Anything. Legislative approval. Like for extensions of the voting, for
2:17:42
voting earlier, for this, all different things. By law, they
2:17:46
had to get legislative approvals. You don't have to go
2:17:49
any further than that. than that. If you take a
2:17:51
look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged,
2:17:58
robbed and stolen. They wouldn't give access in certain areas
2:18:03
to the ballots because the ballots weren't signed. They weren't originals.
2:18:09
They were. We could go into this stuff. We could
2:18:11
go into the ballots or we could go into the overall.
2:18:14
I'll give you another one.
2:18:14
Speaker 2: Are you going to present this ever? Like do you think.
2:18:20
Speaker 1: Let me just give you one more before. Fifty-one intelligence
2:18:25
agents come up that the laptop was from Russia. It
2:18:31
turned out to be totally false.
2:18:32
Speaker 2: Fifty-one former intelligence agents, right?
2:18:34
Speaker 1: They say that made– I don't believe it's this much
2:18:37
but it doesn't have to. I won by like– I
2:18:40
lost by like– I didn't lose. But they say I
2:18:43
lost– Joe, they say I lost by 22,000 votes. That's
2:18:47
like one-tenth of 1 percent less than that. It's a
2:18:50
tiny little thing. 22,000 votes spread over– that spread over
2:18:55
this period. So 51 intelligence agents lied. They lied. They lied.
2:19:02
They knew it was. It was Hunter's. It was from
2:19:05
his bed. It was Hunter's laptop. They said it was
2:19:08
created by Russia. Russia, Russia. It was the Russia hoax.
2:19:13
The Russia hoax was a big hoax. It was all
2:19:15
a big hoax.
2:19:16
Speaker 2: Well, that's clear. That's one example.
2:19:18
Speaker 1: But that is a good example.
2:19:18
Speaker 2: But that's a big example.
2:19:19
Speaker 1: They say it made a 17-point difference. That's a big example.
2:19:23
But that's only one. And you can go into the
2:19:26
ballots where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots.
2:19:29
You could go into the ballot harvesting. You could go
2:19:32
into $ 500 million for the lockboxes.
2:19:36
Speaker 2: But just in terms of narrative, so there's two things, right?
2:19:38
There's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that
2:19:41
was never proven, right?
2:19:43
Speaker 1: Well, it was proven it didn't happen.
2:19:45
Speaker 2: Right, right. But they talked about.
2:19:47
Speaker 1: It on television. But it took two and a half
2:19:49
years to prove.
2:19:50
Speaker 2: But not only that, but it was a constant narrative
2:19:52
on television. That's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds,
2:19:56
especially low information people that just watch the news, that
2:19:59
you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one. So that
2:20:01
changes the narrative. And then you have the 51 former
2:20:04
intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get
2:20:08
them to remove links. You can't share it on DMs.
2:20:11
You cannot share that story. They swept that story because
2:20:15
they said it was Russian disinformation even though they knew
2:20:18
it was not. So that's two examples. That are real examples. Now,
2:20:23
anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics,
2:20:29
if you really want the best person to win, you
2:20:31
would want people to not lie. And the only reason
2:20:36
why they got away with this lie was because they
2:20:38
continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler.
2:20:43
They kept saying you're going to be a dictator, ignoring
2:20:45
the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years.
2:20:48
Speaker 1: Correct. Well, you're actually the president. I was actually the
2:20:50
opposite of a dictator. I was a very straight guy.
2:20:53
But look, those three things, you take those three things.
2:20:56
Each one of them by themselves causes the result to
2:20:59
be different. It does. And then you can go into
2:21:01
a hundred other things. There are so many. We can't
2:21:05
have corrupt elections and we can't have open borders. You
2:21:09
need to have a country. You need borders. You need
2:21:12
fair elections. And I'll tell you the other thing you need.
2:21:15
Is you need a free and fair press. One of
2:21:18
the things I like about doing a show like this–
2:21:20
can you imagine Kamala doing this show?
2:21:23
Speaker 2: I could imagine her doing this show.
2:21:24
Speaker 1: She'd be laying on the floor.
2:21:26
Speaker 2: She was supposed to do it and she might still
2:21:28
do it and I hope she does.
2:21:29
Speaker 1: She's not going to do it.
2:21:30
Speaker 2: I will talk to her like a human being. I
2:21:31
would try to have a conversation with her.
2:21:32
Speaker 1: If she did this kind of an interview with you,
2:21:35
I hope she does because it would be a mess.
2:21:37
She'd be laying on the floor comatose. You'd be saying,
2:21:40
call in the medics.
2:21:41
Speaker 2: I think we'd have a fine conversation. I think I'd
2:21:44
be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to
2:21:45
interview her. I'd just try to have a conversation with
2:21:47
her and hopefully get to know her as a human being.
2:21:49
That was my goal, having her on, trying to get
2:21:52
her to express herself just as a human being. I
2:21:53
don't know if these– I don't think these formats are good.
2:21:57
I don't think that two people– first of all, I
2:21:59
hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate
2:22:02
the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas. Also,
2:22:05
you have to break– I think you have to have
2:22:07
the debates.
2:22:08
Speaker 1: Right.
2:22:08
Speaker 2: But the way they do the debates I think is
2:22:10
the wrong way to do it. I think they should
2:22:11
have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit
2:22:15
across the table with no one in the room but
2:22:17
the two of you. Of course you're not going to
2:22:20
shout at each other. Of course you're not going to
2:22:21
insult each other.
2:22:22
Speaker 1: I mean it may get– they used to do it
2:22:24
that way.
2:22:24
Speaker 2: Hopefully it wouldn't, but that would be the way to
2:22:26
do it.
2:22:27
Speaker 1: They used to do it that way.
2:22:28
Speaker 2: To put cameras on you with no one interfering with
2:22:33
checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased
2:22:37
because they checked you all those times and they didn't
2:22:39
check her with clearly things that were inaccurate, right? So
2:22:43
have two people just have a conversation with you without
2:22:46
a time constraint. And also this idea they cut off
2:22:50
the microphone.
2:22:51
Speaker 1: No crowd. No crowd.
2:22:53
Speaker 2: Crazy too because you're good at working a crowd.
2:22:54
Speaker 1: I would rather have a crowd.
2:22:56
Speaker 2: Of course you would. You're good at crowds.
2:22:57
Speaker 1: But I had no– so they gave me an alternative.
2:23:00
I don't think he wanted to debate.
2:23:01
Speaker 2: Why did they want no crowd?
2:23:03
Speaker 1: What was the argument? Because I think they thought I
2:23:04
wasn't going to accept it. So I believe what they
2:23:06
wanted to do is have me not accept. So they
2:23:09
gave me a deal I couldn't refuse and I said
2:23:12
I'll do it. OK? It's like the mob.
2:23:15
Speaker 2: Right.
2:23:15
Speaker 1: I'll take it. So they came to me. They said,
2:23:19
we'll debate Joe Biden. That thing got tremendous ratings too.
2:23:23
That was crazy. But we'll debate Joe Biden. But you
2:23:26
can't have a crowd. They also wanted sitting down. I said,
2:23:30
that's the only thing. I said, look, you got to
2:23:32
stand up. You can't really sit down. In the old days,
2:23:34
they did sit down a little bit.
2:23:36
Speaker 2: But he gets tired.
2:23:37
Speaker 1: You got to stand up. And they agreed to it.
2:23:39
It was a very tough thing. It almost killed it.
2:23:42
They wanted to have like desks where we sit. I said,
2:23:46
I think we should stand up. And that was the
2:23:48
only thing I asked for. I said, we've got to
2:23:49
stand up. I thought it looked bad for like the public.
2:23:54
But they said no crowd and cut off the mic.
2:23:58
And I said, I can live with it. I mean,
2:24:00
I can live with it. And they thought I was
2:24:02
going to reject it. And then they would say he
2:24:04
didn't want to debate Sleepy Joe. Right. That's what they thought.
2:24:07
Speaker 2: Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala
2:24:09
as well. They tried to say that you didn't want
2:24:10
to debate her as well.
2:24:12
Speaker 1: No, by the way, with her, number one, I'm leading.
2:24:14
Number two, you know, they also said it with the primary.
2:24:18
So I had like 10, 12 guys, right, in the primary.
2:24:22
No stupid guys. I mean, they're governors and they're senators.
2:24:25
They're not stupid people. Some are stupid, but not all
2:24:27
of them. And all my guys said, you have to
2:24:30
be in the debate. I said, why? I'm leading by
2:24:33
74 points. The closest guy to me, I'm like 60 points,
2:24:37
70 points higher. Why would I stand there like an
2:24:41
idiot for two hours and let every one of them
2:24:44
scream at me? I'm going to be the focus. Right.
2:24:47
And I said, I'm not debating. And it was a
2:24:48
very smart thing because, you know, it was– they just
2:24:51
killed themselves. The Republican primaries. Yeah, the Republican primaries. With–
2:24:57
I like debating. I think you have to debate. But
2:25:00
it has to be fair. I like debating like the
2:25:03
Rosie O'Donnell debate. I like debating when you have a–
2:25:06
remember the Rosie O'Donnell? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:25:08
Speaker 2: It was very funny. Megan Kelly.
2:25:08
Speaker 1: It was a crazy thing. Megan– That was a hell
2:25:10
of a question, man. If I didn't come up with
2:25:13
that answer. It was a great line. Well, what it
2:25:15
was is, you know, that was, we had 28,000 people.
2:25:18
That was the Cleveland arena where the Cavaliers played.
2:25:21
Speaker 2: Right.
2:25:21
Speaker 1: LeBron James. I'm not a big fan of LeBron James,
2:25:23
but he is a good basketball player. But, you know,
2:25:26
that was the, and when I said that, that place
2:25:29
went crazy. And she kept talking. No, she had like
2:25:33
10 other. Yeah.
2:25:34
Speaker 2: Well, Megan said, you said it to other people and
2:25:35
you admitted you did, but it was funny. It was
2:25:38
a comedic timing moment.
2:25:39
Speaker 1: It was fine. That's what they wanted to avoid. It
2:25:41
was lucky I did it because she was– oh, she
2:25:45
wasn't finished. That question– but she kept talking. But you
2:25:47
couldn't hear. To this day, they don't know what she said.
2:25:50
But it wasn't positive. So anyway, but we had a
2:25:52
good time.
2:25:53
Speaker 2: It's comedic timing and that's the reason why to have
2:25:55
a debate in front of a large audience.
2:25:57
Speaker 1: Well, how did I do with the Al Smith dinner?
2:25:59
I got very good reviews on that.
2:26:00
Speaker 2: That was great. Very funny. Very funny stuff. The Tim
2:26:03
Wall stuff was very funny.
2:26:04
Speaker 1: Tim Wall, yeah.
2:26:06
Speaker 2: It's funny.
2:26:06
Speaker 1: That's a real beauty.
2:26:07
Speaker 2: That's a crazy one. She said that she had picked him,
2:26:10
and this is one of the questions I want to
2:26:11
ask her, when she was sleep-deprived. She said she was
2:26:15
suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which.
2:26:17
Speaker 1: Is just– Hey, maybe take a nap. So I was– OK, look.
2:26:21
Let's see how it all turns out. I think we're
2:26:22
going to win. I think we're way ahead now. I
2:26:24
think we're way ahead. But– Can I bring you back
2:26:28
to 2020? I think they're going to look at two things.
2:26:32
They're going to say they should have had a primary
2:26:34
even if it was a short primary. They shouldn't have
2:26:36
picked her. And then she's going to say I shouldn't
2:26:38
have picked this guy.
2:26:38
Speaker 2: She shouldn't have picked that guy.
2:26:39
Speaker 1: That guy is a disaster.
2:26:41
Speaker 2: The lying about Tiananmen Square.
2:26:43
Speaker 1: Everything.
2:26:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, the military record, assistant coach versus head coach.
2:26:48
Speaker 1: Little things. So I did McDonald's last week. I saw that.
2:26:51
And I actually got a call from your friends at Google,
2:26:54
from Sundar. That's pretty good, right? He said this is
2:26:56
the biggest thing we've had in years.
2:26:59
Speaker 2: You at McDonald's?
2:27:00
Speaker 1: At McDonald's. Did you know that? It was one of
2:27:02
the– It was funny. Who's a great guy, by the way.
2:27:05
But he said, this McDonald's thing, I want to tell you,
2:27:08
it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google.
2:27:11
It just hit. But the reason I did– and I
2:27:14
actually– you never know about this stuff. I thought it
2:27:16
was a throwaway. I didn't think our conversation is a throwaway.
2:27:19
But I thought that was– I thought I'd walk in.
2:27:21
And that was only to highlight the fact– and I
2:27:24
have a friend. He owns like 56 of these McDonald's.
2:27:26
And he said, do you want to use one? I said, yeah,
2:27:28
I love it. So we went there and the crowd
2:27:31
was crazy. You know, they had 28,000 people around. The
2:27:34
whole thing. Did you see the outside? It was crazy.
2:27:36
The cars couldn't get through. Secret Service was not exactly thrilled.
2:27:40
We had no idea what the hell. But I went
2:27:42
into the place and I did the French fry thing.
2:27:45
And it just hit. But that's like in life. Sometimes
2:27:49
you do. I thought it was like a quick throwaway.
2:27:51
We're going to be there for 15 minutes. Then I said,
2:27:53
I've worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes
2:27:56
more than she worked here. She lied about McDonald's.
2:28:00
Speaker 2: And, you know– Is that proven that she never worked
2:28:03
at McDonald's?
2:28:04
Speaker 1: Well, McDonald's has no information. She has no information. There's
2:28:08
nobody– the manager said she never worked there. It was
2:28:11
a certain place and he said they never– no, she lied.
2:28:14
She's a liar. You know what they do? They'll say
2:28:17
like on any one of the questions, take any– they'll
2:28:20
say it's the exact opposite of what I say, IVF.
2:28:25
He's against IVF, fertilization. Right. And it's the exact opposite.
2:28:30
I came out immediately strongly in favor. And they do ads.
2:28:35
I'm against it. It's wrong. On every single topic. And,
2:28:40
you know, she changed policies on 15. I've never seen
2:28:43
a guy change, anybody change on more than one. You know,
2:28:46
you can maybe get away with one. Her whole life, fracking,
2:28:50
every single thing that she was for. The confiscation of guns.
2:28:55
She wants to confiscate. Now she's saying everybody should have
2:28:57
a gun. In fact, we're going to get her a
2:28:59
MAGA cap. I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.
2:29:01
But she's changed. And I don't think people are buying it.
2:29:05
I don't think people are buying it.
2:29:06
Speaker 2: Well, some people are buying it because they want to
2:29:08
buy it because it's blue no matter who. There's a
2:29:10
certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat
2:29:13
no matter what.
2:29:14
Speaker 1: That's true.
2:29:14
Speaker 2: They're pressured. There's their community, their ideology. It's left is good,
2:29:19
right is evil.
2:29:20
Speaker 1: I don't understand why. OK, you have. a wall, or
2:29:24
you have a... You know, I built 570 miles of wall.
2:29:27
I built a lot of wall. Exactly the stuff. But
2:29:31
you have a border. What I don't understand is, who
2:29:35
would want people to come into our country from places unknown?
2:29:39
Like sometimes they'll say about a fighter. From parts unknown, right?
2:29:43
Remember Haystack's Cajun. From parts... The oldest. Those are the oldest.
2:29:48
That's even before you. But who would want people to
2:29:52
come in pouring into our country. We don't know anything
2:29:57
about it.
2:29:58
Speaker 2: But that's– I want to ask you this. Why do
2:29:59
you think they're doing that? I think because– Do you
2:30:01
think they're trying to buy votes?
2:30:03
Speaker 1: Do you think they just want cheap labor?
2:30:05
Speaker 2: Like what is– what's the idea?
2:30:07
Speaker 1: There's a couple of theories. They hate our country. They're
2:30:10
stupid or they want to buy votes. It's one of
2:30:13
those three things. Yeah. They want– now they are trying
2:30:15
to get people registered who don't even know what the
2:30:18
country is.
2:30:18
Speaker 2: And they're trying to give people amnesty, people that live here.
2:30:20
They're trying to give them amnesty.
2:30:21
Speaker 1: They want to give them citizenship or they want to–
2:30:24
And if you.
2:30:24
Speaker 2: Think about the amount of money that they've given them
2:30:27
when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that
2:30:29
even our poor people aren't getting.
2:30:31
Speaker 1: $ 200 billion, and that's a way low number. That's a
2:30:35
way low. You know, it's interesting. New York has always
2:30:37
been like, you know, sort of like always looking for money.
2:30:42
They've spent $ 100 billion on this stuff. I don't know
2:30:45
where they, and they're not getting the money from the
2:30:47
federal government. It's crazy. And because the mayor came out
2:30:52
and said, We can't live like this.
2:30:55
Speaker 2: They investigated him.
2:30:57
Speaker 1: By the way, I called it. I said he just
2:31:00
got himself indicted. This group is stupid, but they're vicious.
2:31:04
They're stupid people, but they're vicious people.
2:31:07
Speaker 2: The 2020 elections, you say you have all this evidence
2:31:11
that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence
2:31:14
in a consumable form?
2:31:16
Speaker 1: Oh, I did. I have books on it. And by
2:31:19
the way, books have been written on it. We have
2:31:23
an author named Hemingway who is a great writer. She
2:31:27
wrote a book on it. But many books have been
2:31:29
written on it. There are books that are– what's happened
2:31:33
is judges don't want to touch it. They would say
2:31:37
you don't have standing. They didn't rule on the merits.
2:31:39
The merits never got there. The judges didn't have what
2:31:46
it took. To turn over an election.
2:31:48
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud.
2:31:52
One of them is mail-in ballots. The other one is
2:31:56
the– if someone can break into voting machines, if someone
2:32:00
can hack voting machines. Those are two huge ones. So
2:32:04
Elon Musk.
2:32:05
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. I think he said it publicly. I hope
2:32:08
he did because I wouldn't want to be the one.
2:32:10
But he's a really smart guy. And he's a very
2:32:13
good guy with computers, right? You'd say he's– He's one
2:32:16
of the smartest people alive. Anybody that can land that
2:32:18
20-story building and perfect and.
2:32:21
Speaker 2: While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Tesla, while he
2:32:24
owns Twitter.
2:32:25
Speaker 1: And then he agrees to Starlink.
2:32:26
Speaker 2: And he tweets 100 times a day.
2:32:28
Speaker 1: He's an amazing guy. Yeah. He said to me that
2:32:32
unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an
2:32:35
honest election. That's a big statement.
2:32:37
Speaker 2: It's a big statement.
2:32:38
Speaker 1: We should go to paper ballots. You know, France did.
2:32:41
They went to mail-in voting, and it was all messed up.
2:32:45
You know the amazing thing with the machines? So we
2:32:47
have the machines. They cost 10 times more. A paper
2:32:50
ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper ballots. They're
2:32:53
all watermarked and everything else. They're very sophisticated. But if
2:32:57
you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost, and
2:33:02
you're done by 9 o'clock in the evening, right? Now
2:33:05
we have these sophisticated machines. It goes up to heaven.
2:33:08
It goes all over the place and down and around.
2:33:11
And they say we'll need two weeks to figure out
2:33:13
who the hell won the election.
2:33:14
Speaker 2: Do you think that's by design?
2:33:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think I think it's very crooked.
2:33:18
That's my opinion. You're allowed to have an opinion.
2:33:20
Speaker 2: What could let's say you win in November. What can
2:33:24
be done to mitigate these problems? What could be done
2:33:27
at a you know, at the level that the president
2:33:30
has power?
2:33:31
Speaker 1: Well, if I win, that'll be this will be my
2:33:33
last election. But I think I owe it to the country. Yeah.
2:33:37
But I think I owe it to the country. We
2:33:39
have to have fair elections.
2:33:41
Speaker 2: So how can you fix that?
2:33:42
Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy Carter was in charge of a commission,
2:33:45
you know, that many years ago. And they put him
2:33:48
and Scoop Jackson and various senators, you know, distinguished people
2:33:51
that were retired. And they came up with a report.
2:33:55
And the report's primary finding was you cannot have mail-in
2:33:59
ballots because if it's a mail-in ballot, You know, I
2:34:03
went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was,
2:34:06
and I walked in in Palm Beach and I walk
2:34:08
in and they know me. They say, Mr. President, could
2:34:12
I see your identity? Yes. Boom. Here's this. Here's that. Everything.
2:34:16
And then you sit and you they watch you sign
2:34:18
and you really there's not a lot you can do.
2:34:21
I mean, if you wanted to be dishonest, it's sort
2:34:23
of beautiful.
2:34:24
Speaker 2: Right.
2:34:24
Speaker 1: If instead of that, I'm going to send them a ballot. Right.
2:34:29
It has to go through the postal services. It has
2:34:31
to go through a lot of people. They mail you
2:34:34
houses that, you know, the house was demolished and the
2:34:37
people have left. It's so bad. The one thing with
2:34:41
Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong commission. No mail-in ballots.
2:34:47
And we're the only one that does elections this way anymore.
2:34:50
They've gotten away from it.
2:34:51
Speaker 2: And this is– it ticked up in a big way
2:34:53
after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas.
2:34:56
Speaker 1: They used COVID to cheat. Yeah.
2:34:57
Speaker 2: Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot.
2:35:00
Speaker 1: Another thing that they– But they used COVID to cheat.
2:35:04
Speaker 2: But here's another one.
2:35:04
Speaker 1: And the last election was a little bit of a–
2:35:07
you couldn't even get security guys, big, strong guys to watch.
2:35:11
You know what? You'd call them. They'd call them and
2:35:13
they'd say, they were afraid to go out. We were
2:35:16
in the middle of COVID. We were in the middle
2:35:19
of COVID, right smack in the middle. And they didn't
2:35:22
want to die. You know, they didn't want to catch it.
2:35:25
It was like, in a way, it was like a
2:35:28
ghost town. And the whole thing, but mail-in ballots are
2:35:32
a bad thing.
2:35:34
Speaker 2: That certainly is a problem. Mail-in ballots are a problem.
2:35:37
Speaker 1: Another problem is voter ID.
2:35:40
Speaker 2: Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never
2:35:43
seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing. Because they
2:35:47
want to cheat. Well, it doesn't make sense any other way.
2:35:50
I've tried to strawman it or I've tried to steelman
2:35:53
it rather. I've tried to like look at it from
2:35:55
a position like why would you not want people to
2:35:58
have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous.
2:36:02
You need an ID to get a driver's license.
2:36:04
Speaker 1: But here's now the next step. Gavin Newsom, one of
2:36:07
the worst governors in the world. And I used to frankly,
2:36:11
I used to get along, but I don't get along
2:36:12
with him because he's just too, you know, it's just
2:36:15
a whole con job. But Gavin Newsom the other day
2:36:18
signed a bill. That you are not allowed to ask
2:36:22
a person, even ask them whether or not they have
2:36:25
voter ID.
2:36:26
Speaker 2: Now, what could be a charitable reason why anybody would
2:36:28
want that?
2:36:28
Speaker 1: Because they want to cheat.
2:36:30
Speaker 2: That would be the only thing that makes sense.
2:36:31
Speaker 1: But that's taking it to the next level. Right. Now,
2:36:35
you know, you have ID. The Democrat National Convention, when
2:36:38
they had it the last time I saw, they had
2:36:40
a sign like a billboard of the name of the person,
2:36:44
where they live, how they live, who the hell their
2:36:47
boyfriends are. Every single... And a big picture, that's for there.
2:36:53
They have an ID, a big ID. It was hanging
2:36:55
like you were a prisoner. They had these massive cards, everything.
2:37:00
And yet when it comes to the vote, in theory,
2:37:02
the most important thing we do, okay, when you go
2:37:05
to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote,
2:37:08
it's supposed to be a sacred thing, and it should
2:37:10
be a sacred thing. No voter ID because they want
2:37:14
to cheat.
2:37:15
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've
2:37:17
tried to look at it.
2:37:18
Speaker 1: There's no other way.
2:37:19
Speaker 2: There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense why.
2:37:23
Speaker 1: You know the funny thing, Joe? The Democrats, the people,
2:37:26
they all think you should have it. In other words,
2:37:28
you should have it. If you go to the people. Mrs. Schwartz, Mrs. Smith, Mr.
2:37:33
and Mrs. Jones.
2:37:34
Speaker 2: Sure.
2:37:34
Speaker 1: They say, of course, yeah. Democrats, they say yes. It's
2:37:38
the politicians that don't want it like Schumer and these guys.
2:37:41
They don't want it because they want to be able
2:37:43
to cheat because you know what? If they didn't have it, OK.
2:37:47
Who is going to vote for somebody that wants open borders?
2:37:49
Who's going to vote for somebody that wants to have
2:37:53
men playing in women's sports? You know, I have never
2:37:56
had one person come up to me and say, President,
2:37:59
you've got to do something to allow men to play
2:38:02
in women's sports. Have you ever? Just like I've never
2:38:05
been called by a pollster. I told you my little
2:38:07
theory on pollsters, okay? I'm getting myself in trouble with
2:38:10
some of these things, but I don't really care. Nobody's
2:38:13
ever come up to me and said, we want to
2:38:16
have Men play in women's sports. And, you know, I
2:38:21
had a funny thing at a property I own in California.
2:38:25
I have a woman who's a very good athlete, and
2:38:28
she works there as a manager. And Brian Urlacher, the
2:38:31
big Chicago Bears, great player, you know, 10-time All-Star, I guess,
2:38:36
Hall of Famer, great guy, big, strong guy. And she said, oh,
2:38:40
he's one of my favorite athletes. Can I have a picture?
2:38:43
And I took a picture, and I sent it. And
2:38:45
I noticed she was the size of his leg. His
2:38:47
leg was bigger than she was. And I put it out.
2:38:50
Should men play in women's football? It was just so ridiculous.
2:38:55
Speaker 2: What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's
2:38:58
promoted by the left?
2:38:59
Speaker 1: But who wants it? Now, unless you're going to cheat
2:39:02
in elections, you're never going to get– nobody wants it.
2:39:05
I don't think anybody wants it. I've never– I've been
2:39:07
told everything. Some people want this and that. I don't
2:39:11
know of anybody that wants open borders. Nobody has ever
2:39:14
come up to me and said, President, you've got to
2:39:16
let the world come into our country. Now, if they won,
2:39:19
so they have 21 million. I think it's much harder
2:39:21
than that because you have gotaways. You know, gotaways where
2:39:23
they just walk in. And the other thing you have
2:39:26
is human traffickers. You have traffickers and they traffic in
2:39:29
women and they're going wild. Now, we used to– you
2:39:33
know where you have to look? The trunk of cars.
2:39:35
Can you believe it? They put women in trunks. They'll
2:39:37
put three women in a trunk. These people are savages.
2:39:40
They're horrible. The worst people. And they're making, the kind
2:39:44
of money they make on drugs, they're almost making on
2:39:46
trafficking now. And the thing that's made it hot is
2:39:50
the internet. That's what, you know, you think of it
2:39:52
almost as an ancient thing, but it's the internet. But
2:39:56
who would want to have these things? Who would want
2:39:58
to have, there's so many, the transgender operations, where they're
2:40:02
allowed to take your child when he goes to school
2:40:05
and turn him into a male, to a female, without,
2:40:09
Parental consent. Who wants this? Does anybody want this? I've
2:40:13
never heard of anyone– and I can go into ten
2:40:15
different things. The only way they get them is by
2:40:20
no voter ID. You can't have voter ID. They don't
2:40:23
want any– they want to cheat. There's only one reason
2:40:26
because the voter ID is so basic. It's the most
2:40:30
basic thing there is.
2:40:30
Speaker 2: It's very basic.
2:40:32
Speaker 1: Who would want this? They want it so they can
2:40:34
cheat because their policies are no good. I'll tell you.
2:40:38
They're very smart when it comes to that. They're very smart,
2:40:42
although they're not smart in terms of politics in a way,
2:40:45
because what do they have that people want? They really
2:40:49
don't have. They give away a lot of health care,
2:40:50
a lot of stuff. But for the most part, their
2:40:53
policies are terrible. Their policy on military. She's running on
2:40:56
a tax hike. She's going to raise your taxes. You're
2:40:58
going to hear this. We are going to raise your taxes.
2:41:02
And the people clap. But who is going to win
2:41:06
with her? All my life I grew up with politicians,
2:41:09
lower taxes. She's politicking that we are going to raise
2:41:14
your taxes.
2:41:15
Speaker 2: Well, they want to raise– the idea is you want
2:41:17
to raise the taxes to the highest earners. I know.
2:41:18
Speaker 1: But it really doesn't work that way.
2:41:19
Speaker 2: They think that millionaires and billionaires are not paying their
2:41:22
fair share.
2:41:22
Speaker 1: But it doesn't work that way.
2:41:23
Speaker 2: Well, it's a narrative. And it's a narrative that appeals
2:41:26
to people that are not doing well. And they're like, yeah,
2:41:28
our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.
2:41:31
Speaker 1: Well, the problems are the rich people are going to
2:41:33
leave and they're going to close up their companies and
2:41:35
then the other people aren't going to have jobs. That's
2:41:37
what happens.
2:41:38
Speaker 2: It does happen in other countries.
2:41:39
Speaker 1: But the whole– because you brought it up. I'll tell
2:41:42
you what. We just– he's doing a very good job
2:41:45
in Virginia, Glenn Youngkin. I don't know if you like him,
2:41:48
not like him. I don't know him. Oh, you don't
2:41:50
know him, the governor of Virginia? Yeah. We have a
2:41:53
case where they found thousands of illegal ballots. A judge
2:41:58
just ruled that they have to be able to vote.
2:42:01
Just happened today. Just before I walked in here, I heard.
2:42:04
A judge just ruled that you have to keep those
2:42:08
people in. They're illegal. They're illegal votes. Now, I think
2:42:12
they'll be overturned at the next court. One thing I found,
2:42:15
because I had a couple of things that they had
2:42:16
overturned a little bit, you know, the system. Because the system,
2:42:20
you have to hope That the appellate judges are honest. Otherwise,
2:42:25
we don't have a country anymore. It's very important. But
2:42:28
the whole thing with the legal ballots has got to
2:42:30
be looked at. You have to have voter ID and
2:42:33
you have to have additional ID. You have to have
2:42:36
an ID that shows that you're a citizen of the country.
2:42:38
Speaker 2: I agree.
2:42:39
Speaker 1: They don't want that either.
2:42:40
Speaker 2: I agree. One of the things that I want to
2:42:42
talk to you about is the JFK files. And one
2:42:46
of the things that you said was that if they
2:42:48
showed you What they showed me, this is your quote,
2:42:51
you wouldn't want people to know it either.
2:42:55
Speaker 1: So I opened them up partially. I was met with,
2:43:03
from good people. I mean, you know, look, I mean,
2:43:05
good people. People that were well-meaning. Mike Pompeo was one
2:43:09
of them. He's a good person. They called me. They said, sir,
2:43:14
would rather have you not. After, and I did open them.
2:43:20
But I was asked by some people not to open them.
2:43:23
There's a Martin Luther King file too, by the way,
2:43:25
that they'd like to see. I don't know if you know,
2:43:27
but there is that. But JFK in particular. So they
2:43:32
called me. A lot of good people called me, people
2:43:34
that you would find reasonable people. And they asked me
2:43:38
not to do it. So I said, well, we'll close
2:43:40
it for another time. But if I win, I'm going
2:43:43
to open them up. I'm just going to open enough times.
2:43:45
Speaker 2: Why didn't you open it up the first time? Because
2:43:47
a lot of times– What was the hesitation?
2:43:49
Speaker 1: Addresses– People that are still living. There are people that
2:43:52
are affected. And there could be some national security reason
2:43:57
that I don't have to necessarily know about. But some
2:44:00
very good, talented people asked me not to do it.
2:44:03
I opened it up and then they said, would it
2:44:06
be possible for us to do that a different day?
2:44:09
Speaker 2: How much of it did you read into?
2:44:12
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be just fine to open it.
2:44:17
Let me put it that way. I think it's fine.
2:44:19
It's going to be time. It's a cleansing. It's really
2:44:21
a cleansing. So I'm going to do it. I'm going
2:44:23
to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.
2:44:27
Speaker 2: Well, the thing– when people look at it from the
2:44:28
outside and you sort of imagine what could be a
2:44:32
reason why they would not release those files, it would
2:44:36
be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.
2:44:41
Speaker 1: Well, when there are living people, you generally tend not
2:44:44
to want to do it. When people are still living.
2:44:47
Speaker 2: Living people that formerly worked for the government.
2:44:50
Speaker 1: For the government and living people that were somehow involved
2:44:53
in it. And you tend not to do that. But
2:44:55
it's time to open them. I can't tell you whether
2:44:59
or not they're going to find anything of interest. And
2:45:02
I did partially open. I think I've opened 50 percent,
2:45:06
but I was asked not to do it. And I
2:45:09
thought that was a reasonable ask. But now I'm going
2:45:11
to do it. I'm going to do it very soon.
2:45:12
There's a lot of interest in it. There's a lot
2:45:15
of interest in the people coming from space, you know. Yes.
2:45:19
And I know you're interested in that too.
2:45:20
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm very interested in that. How much did they
2:45:22
tell you about that?
2:45:23
Speaker 1: A lot.
2:45:23
Speaker 2: Really?
2:45:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:45:24
Speaker 2: What did they tell you? How much can you tell?
2:45:27
How does that work? Is it like super top secret?
2:45:29
I think I can tell, you know.
2:45:30
Speaker 1: Tell me. Well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say
2:45:32
whatever the hell I want, right? But no. But I
2:45:35
interviewed a few people. It's never been my thing, I
2:45:38
have to be honest. I have never been a believer.
2:45:40
I have people that Area 51 or whatever it is.
2:45:43
I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the
2:45:45
whole country or something. Area 51. Do you know that, right? Sure.
2:45:49
I know what it is. So anyway, but it's a
2:45:51
big tourist thing. So I interviewed jet pilots that say
2:45:58
they saw something. If you saw them, you'd love to
2:46:01
have them.
2:46:01
Speaker 2: I've had a couple in here. Commander David Fravor. I
2:46:04
had him in who had that sighting in 2004. Very,
2:46:07
very compelling with visual video evidence, radar evidence. Brian Graves.
2:46:13
Speaker 1: I don't believe his name, but I interviewed jet pilots
2:46:17
that were solid people. Perfect. I mean, great pilots, great everything.
2:46:24
And they said, we saw things, sir, that were very strange.
2:46:29
Like a round ball, but it wasn't a comet or
2:46:32
a meteor. It was something. And it was going four
2:46:36
times faster than an F-22, which is a very fast plane,
2:46:39
you know. And it was round. which is in theory
2:46:44
a great shape.
2:46:44
Speaker 2: So when you were talking to these people, was this
2:46:48
something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was
2:46:52
this your personal interest?
2:46:53
Speaker 1: A little bit. It's not a great interest for me,
2:46:56
but it's a little interest. I get that question as
2:46:58
much as almost any question. Do you think that we
2:47:01
have aliens coming, flying around or whatever?
2:47:04
Speaker 2: What do you think?
2:47:07
Speaker 1: There's no reason not to. I mean there's no reason
2:47:09
not to think that Mars and all these planets don't
2:47:12
have life because– Well.
2:47:13
Speaker 2: Mars, we've had probes there and rovers and I don't
2:47:17
think there's any life there.
2:47:17
Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's life that we don't know. Well, maybe
2:47:19
it's– there was.
2:47:20
Speaker 2: Life there at one point in time. This is a
2:47:22
speculation about Mars that Mars had an atmosphere at one
2:47:26
point in time a long time ago that could support life.
2:47:28
It also had large bodies of water. But we've had
2:47:31
no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars.
2:47:34
Speaker 1: Right. The universe is pretty vast. It's not been a
2:47:36
big thing for me. I mean when I looked at
2:47:38
what China did to this– they would have never done
2:47:40
it with me where they put the balloon up and
2:47:43
a lot of people thought for a little while that
2:47:45
that was one of these things.
2:47:47
Speaker 2: Well, that's a lot of the speculation too that some
2:47:49
of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are
2:47:52
Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs.
2:47:54
Speaker 1: They could be also.
2:47:54
Speaker 2: There's some super sophisticated– But I did.
2:47:56
Speaker 1: Interview let's say three or four guys that– and without
2:48:01
tremendous interest, if you had them– As I said, you'd
2:48:06
love to have me as your children. Solid, beautiful people.
2:48:11
They said, sir, there's something there.
2:48:14
Speaker 2: There's something there.
2:48:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:48:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked to quite a few of them.
2:48:17
Speaker 1: They're not conspiracy guys.
2:48:19
Speaker 2: Well, I mean just the Commander David Fravor thing in
2:48:21
2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that
2:48:24
thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50
2:48:26
in a second. They don't know what it is.
2:48:29
Speaker 1: That's tough to beat.
2:48:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. They saw something in the water. It was hovering
2:48:33
over that something that was making a disturbance in the water.
2:48:36
They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter
2:48:40
jets with pilots in them saw it. There's visual evidence,
2:48:44
photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence. Whatever the hell it is,
2:48:48
it moves in a way that would turn a human
2:48:50
being into Jell-O if they were inside of it. The G-Force,
2:48:52
no one would survive. So what is that? And it
2:48:56
doesn't have a heat signature. They don't know what their
2:48:58
propulsion system was.
2:49:00
Speaker 1: But when you fly in some of these jets. These
2:49:04
pilots have to be in great shape. Oh, yeah. I
2:49:06
flew with the Blue Angels once. Yeah. Yeah, I got
2:49:08
to fly. I guess it's an F-18. And those are
2:49:11
older machines.
2:49:12
Speaker 2: And they're crazy.
2:49:13
Speaker 1: When you fly in some of these things, it's amazing. Yeah,
2:49:16
I can imagine. You got to be special.
2:49:17
Speaker 2: But these things that these people are encountering are far
2:49:20
superior to what we know of.
2:49:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:49:23
Speaker 2: Is it possible that there's some military or government program
2:49:27
that you weren't– that they didn't tell you about?
2:49:31
Speaker 1: I think I had a great relationship with the military, basically. But,
2:49:35
you know, I didn't like certain people. I would have
2:49:37
gotten them out if I thought if I were if
2:49:40
the election was different, I would have fired, you know,
2:49:43
all of them quickly. Most of them I did fire.
2:49:46
Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan.
2:49:51
He should have had a lot of firings. You know,
2:49:53
if you look at him, he told Israel not to
2:49:55
do anything. At least Israel is not going to look
2:49:57
at a bomb the way they would have been. Think
2:49:59
if they listened to Biden. They'd be waiting for a
2:50:02
bomb to drop on their head right now. He's been
2:50:05
wrong about so much. I guess you'd have to say
2:50:07
that she's been wrong, too, because, you know, she always
2:50:10
said they made the decision together. But Israel didn't follow
2:50:15
his advice. And I think it was a very, you know,
2:50:19
it's a very, the Middle East is rapidly changing. You know,
2:50:22
there are prophets that say the world will come to
2:50:25
an end in the Middle East. You know that, right?
2:50:29
And We have weapons today that are so scary. When
2:50:33
you look, I rebuilt them all. And when you look
2:50:36
at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we
2:50:38
have in the world today is nuclear weapons. And we
2:50:42
have other weapons, too, that are devastated. But the nuclear weapons,
2:50:45
the biggest threat we have in the world today, and
2:50:47
that's what you... I was talking about de-escalation with both
2:50:53
China and Russia. I'm telling you, We were going to de-escalate.
2:50:57
They were going to de-escalate. Got to be careful. It's
2:51:00
a little tricky playing with them because they say we're
2:51:03
going to do it and they don't do it maybe.
2:51:05
But they understood the curse too. It's a curse. China
2:51:09
is way behind us, but they'll catch us within five years.
2:51:12
Speaker 2: So let's imagine– let's say you win in November. What
2:51:15
do you do differently and how do you change this
2:51:18
course that it seems we are on for World War III?
2:51:22
How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do
2:51:24
you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How
2:51:26
do you put a stop to this?
2:51:27
Speaker 1: Well, it's a very– to me it's an easy question
2:51:31
because I think I can do it easily. But it's
2:51:33
a complex question in the sense that the times change.
2:51:37
Every day changes. Who's winning? Who's not winning? I mean
2:51:42
Russia is a war machine. Whether you like it or not,
2:51:46
it just grinds along, grinds along. You speak to people
2:51:48
like Viktor Orban, he'll tell you. It's just a big, fat.
2:51:53
war machine. And that's what's happening. You look at what's
2:51:56
happened to Ukraine. If I were there, it would have
2:51:59
never happened.
2:52:00
Speaker 2: But what could you do now? If you get into
2:52:02
office in January, what could you do now?
2:52:05
Speaker 1: Right now, you would get both of them. I know
2:52:08
both very well. And again, I do not want to
2:52:12
tell you for the purpose of looking smart to five
2:52:15
people that say, oh, he was great. Because if I
2:52:19
told you exactly what I do, I could never make
2:52:23
the deal. All I can tell you is that I
2:52:25
would meet with Putin and I would meet with him,
2:52:27
and I know exactly what I'd say to each one
2:52:29
of them. And I believe that as president-elect, I would
2:52:32
get that war stopped and stopped fast. You know, we
2:52:36
have tremendous power in the United States if you know
2:52:38
how to use the power. I stopped other wars just
2:52:42
by the use of tariffs. I got Macron of France.
2:52:46
Good guy. He's like a friend of mine. But he's
2:52:48
a wise guy. And he's a person that likes France.
2:52:52
And he was going to tax our companies. And I
2:52:55
sent all the smartest guys. I sent Mnuchin. They all
2:52:58
failed me. And I said, I'll do it myself. And
2:53:00
I called him. I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies.
2:53:04
We're not going to allow you to do that. Oh, Donald,
2:53:06
I cannot do it. There's nothing I can do. It's
2:53:08
already been passed. I said, Emmanuel, if you do that,
2:53:12
I'm going to put a 100% tariff on your wines
2:53:15
and champagnes that come into the United States, and you're
2:53:18
going to regret that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please,
2:53:21
that's not fair. Anyway, within about two minutes, he dropped
2:53:24
the whole thing. And it was massive amounts of money
2:53:26
against American companies. I have to protect American companies.
2:53:30
Speaker 2: So why doesn't the Biden administration do this?
2:53:32
Speaker 1: Because they're incompetent. They don't know how to talk. Look,
2:53:35
they met in Alaska with the Chinese. And the Chinese
2:53:41
lectured them about how badly we treat people. Right? Okay?
2:53:47
I mean, think of it. You remember that? They didn't
2:53:50
talk to me that way. They never. They respected me.
2:53:54
They respected our country. They don't respect our country. They
2:53:57
don't respect Biden. They don't respect her. They're dreaming about
2:54:02
her because she's incompetent. She's not a smart person. Look,
2:54:07
she can't put two sentences together. She talks. I watched
2:54:10
her two nights. I watched her last night, too. It
2:54:12
was the same thing. She's not a smart person. These
2:54:16
guys are very smart and they're very streetwise and they're
2:54:19
very tricky and evil and dangerous. And if she becomes
2:54:25
the president of the United States, which I can't believe
2:54:27
can happen, I don't think this country is going to
2:54:30
make it. I don't think we'll ever be. I think
2:54:35
just really bad things will happen to our country. And
2:54:38
you know what? I look at the outside forces and
2:54:40
I say they can all be handled because we have
2:54:42
a pot of gold. But we're not going to have
2:54:44
that pot of gold to play with anymore. You know,
2:54:46
it's a great negotiating thing. I told you I knocked
2:54:50
out this massive car company going to Take all of
2:54:53
our car business from Detroit. I knocked it out just
2:54:56
by my rhetoric. Rhetorically, I said they'll never sell a
2:55:01
car in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care. They're 2,000 percent.
2:55:04
They're never going to build that plant.
2:55:06
Speaker 2: Is it possible to apply that same thing to the
2:55:08
electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs
2:55:11
me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas.
2:55:14
And then some of our phones are made in places
2:55:16
like– Yes, and the chips. And some of our phones
2:55:18
are made in places like Foxconn where they have nets
2:55:20
around the building to keep people from jumping off the
2:55:22
roof because they have so many suicides. Like wouldn't it
2:55:25
be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know
2:55:28
people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're
2:55:30
taken care of, they can live a good life, where
2:55:33
you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because
2:55:37
someone has to suffer in a horrible way that's not
2:55:40
even legal in the United States. It's not even legal
2:55:42
to have them work that way in the United States anymore.
2:55:44
So they get these people to build them overseas.
2:55:46
Speaker 1: You do it. But let me just say that chip
2:55:49
deal is so bad. We put up billions of dollars
2:55:52
for rich companies to come in and borrow the money
2:55:55
and build chip companies here. And they're not going to
2:55:57
give us the good companies anyway. All you had to
2:56:00
do is charge them tariffs. If you would have put
2:56:02
a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have
2:56:06
been able to– just like the auto companies, no different.
2:56:09
More sophisticated but no different. You know, Taiwan– They stole
2:56:14
our chip business. OK, they want us to protect and
2:56:18
they want protection. They don't pay us money for the protection.
2:56:20
You know, the mob makes you pay money. Right. But
2:56:24
with these countries that we protect, I got hundreds of
2:56:27
billions of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us.
2:56:32
And my biggest fan is Stoltenberg, who just left as the,
2:56:35
you know, director general, as a secretary general. Good guy.
2:56:40
He said Bush came, he made a speech. Obama came,
2:56:43
he made a speech. Trump came, he said, you guys
2:56:45
aren't paying, you got to pay. And they said, will
2:56:47
you protect us from Russia if we don't? I said, no,
2:56:50
you got to pay if you don't pay. Billions of
2:56:52
dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying
2:56:57
a lot of money to have people build chips, that's
2:56:59
not the way. You didn't have to put up 10 cents.
2:57:02
You could have done it with a series of tariffs.
2:57:04
In other words, you tariff it so high that they
2:57:08
will come and build their chip company for nothing. In
2:57:11
other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the
2:57:14
chips coming in. I say, you don't have to pay
2:57:17
the tariff. All you have to do is build your
2:57:18
plant in the United States. We didn't have to give
2:57:21
them the money to build a plant. Besides that, they're
2:57:24
very rich companies, these chip companies. They stole 95% Of
2:57:30
our business. It's in Taiwan right now. They do a
2:57:32
great job. But that's only because we have stupid politicians.
2:57:35
We lost the chip business. And now we think we're
2:57:38
going to pay. You can't build it that way. You
2:57:41
have to make them spend their money in the United States.
2:57:44
And those plants would open up all over. And they'll
2:57:46
fund them. We don't have to put up 10 cents.
2:57:48
And I am in the process of making a huge
2:57:51
speech in about a little while. And you and I,
2:57:53
how long have we been talking? A long time. Let's go.
2:57:56
Probably like three hours. I got to make a speech.
2:57:58
Speaker 2: All right.
2:57:59
Speaker 1: But we'll do it again. I want to do it
2:58:00
again with you. Okay. You are something. Thank you very much.
2:58:03
I said, how long will this last? Anywhere from an
2:58:06
hour to three or four hours. How long we do it, Jamie?
2:58:08
Speaker 2: Three hours.
2:58:09
Speaker 1: Good. Well, we'll do it again. I thought it was great.
2:58:11
I think it's. I think it was great. It was
2:58:13
a lot of fun. You are a fascinating guy. Thank you.
2:58:16
And you've done a great job.
2:58:17
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
2:58:18
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. And thank you very much. It's
2:58:19
been an honor. It's been an honor to have you
2:58:21
on as well. I'm going to make a great speech,
2:58:22
and I'm going to say, and if I'm a little
2:58:25
off tonight, I'm going to blame you. I spoke to
2:58:27
this guy for three hours. Anyway, it's a great honor
2:58:30
to be with you.
2:58:31
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
2:58:31
Speaker 1: Good luck to you.
2:58:32
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
2:58:33
Speaker 1: All right. Bye, everybody.