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Raul Bilecky (2026) - Fake Aliens Distract From Peru’s Looted History · The Joe Rogan Recap

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  Welcome to the Joe Rogan Recap, and before we get going, please
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  follow us right here on Spotify to make sure you get sight of
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  our latest eisodes in your feed. Today we're we are tackling a
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  really massive topic. We're unpacking the conversation
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  with Raul Balecki. He's the independent researcher
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  behind that Channel, Pillars of the Past.
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  And it really feels like a collision of, I don't know, an
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  Indiana Jones adventure and some bizarre episode of Black Mirror.
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  It really is a strange mix, you know, because whenever ancient
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  Peru comes up on the Internet, there's like one thing the
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  algorithm just shoves in your face.
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  Oh yeah, aliens. The alien mummies.
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  Right, the little 3 fingered bodies that look like they're
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  made of plaster. That's usually where the
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  conversation just stops. Exactly.
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  And, and this is where we have to set the stage because Raoul's
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  whole point, and I think the real tension of this deep dive
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  is that while everyone is distracted by this, this circus
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  of potential alien dolls, there is massive, undeniable history
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  being just destroyed right next door.
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  It's a classic magician's trick, isn't it?
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  Look at the shiny object in this hand.
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  Yeah, look at the little aliens. Yeah, the other hand is looting
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  a temple. That's the perfect way to put
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  it. Raul uses that Graham Hancock
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  line. You know, a species with
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  amnesia. But the scary thing isn't just
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  that we forgot, It's that we're actively burning the history
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  books before we even had a chance to read them.
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  And what's so cool about this guy is that he isn't some
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  tenured professor. He's a former video editor.
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  He's using Google Earth and drones to find sites that aren't
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  even on the official government maps.
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  That outsider view is so important.
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  He's not worried about grant money or Kenya.
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  He's just, you know, looking for weird shapes in the desert from
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  his laptop. OK, so before we get to the
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  discoveries, and some of them are just mind bending, we have
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  to talk about the destruction. The picture he paints is, well,
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  it's just horrifying. It is.
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  It's haunting. He talks about flying his drone
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  over the Paracas and Nazca regions, and from the air, the
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  ground looks like the surface of the moon.
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  Just. Cratered.
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  Completely pockmarked. But they're not from meteors,
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  they are looting holes, he mentions.
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  One stretch is one that's eight full kilometers of just holes. 8
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  kilometers, I mean, that's not a couple of guys with shovels on a
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  weekend, that's an industrial operation.
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  It is. These are the quackeros, the
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  grave robbers and the scene on the ground, what Raoul
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  describes. It's like a landfill of human
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  history. You're just walking over ancient
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  textiles, pottery and and human bones.
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  That's the part that got me. Skulls just sitting out there,
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  baking in the sun. He calls it trash archaeology,
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  and there's this really heartbreaking irony.
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  You can date when the looting happened by the modern trash
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  they leave behind. What do you mean?
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  So you'll see a 2000 year old human skull sitting right next
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  to a faded coke bottle from 1995.
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  Wow. Or a cigarette pack from the
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  80s. A piece of an ancestor's life
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  next to a piece of art garbage. That just drives home the
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  complete lack of reverence. Yeah, it's just stuff to them.
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  So what are they even looking for?
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  If they're tossing the bones aside, what's the prize?
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  They're after the mantelpiece items, the intact pottery, gold,
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  silver, things that look good on a shelf.
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  And these don't go to museums. No, rarely museums need
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  provenance. You know, context, where was it
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  found, what layer? Looted items have none of that.
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  They're basically worthless to science.
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  So the black market? Correct.
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  Private collections in the US, Europe, Asia.
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  Wealthy people who want a conversation piece for their
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  living room rally even talks about seeing text messages
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  between the looters and buyers in America.
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  It's a direct pipeline. And it gets even darker.
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  He used the term eco mafia. That sounds serious.
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  Yeah, this is where it gets really dangerous.
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  It's not just about stealing artifacts.
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  It's organized land trafficking. These groups will bulldoze an
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  entire archaeological site flat. To destroy the evidence.
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  Exactly. To erase the history.
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  If there are no ruins, then it's not protected land, it's just
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  prime real estate you can sell for farming or housing.
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  And people archaeologists who try to stop them have been
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  threatened. Some have even been.
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  Killed. So history is being actively
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  erased for profit. Which I guess brings us back to
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  the biggest distraction we have to talk about the Nazca mummies.
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  We do, because if you search Peru archaeology right now, this
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  is all you'll see. The little white bodies with
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  three long fingers. So what's Raul's take?
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  Well. You have to understand he's an
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  open minded guy. He says flat out, I don't think
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  you're alone. He wants to believe.
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  But after looking into these specific mummies, his conclusion
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  is pretty brutal. He thinks they're fakes.
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  Advanced taxidermy is how he puts it, and he's got receipts.
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  He points to the CT scans of specimens like Maria and
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  Montserrat. The anatomy is just wrong.
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  Like the joints? The joints don't articulate, the
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  bones are just sort of floating near each other inside the
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  plaster. There's no way it could move.
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  But the real smoking gun for me was what he calls the evolution
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  of the fakes. The iterative design, like
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  they're patching a video game. Yes, it's exactly like that.
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  The Internet debunks a flaw in Mummy 8.
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  Like say the finger bones are on backwards.
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  A month later, Mummy B is discovered and poof, that
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  specific flaws fixed, but then a new one appears.
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  Like the teenage mummy, Antonio. Right, it was supposed to be a
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  teenager, but when an expert looked at the foot bones, they
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  had severe arthritis. Which a teenager shouldn't have.
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  Not unless their foot was assembled using bones stolen
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  from an elderly person's skeleton.
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  And that's the grim reality behind it all.
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  We're all laughing about the aliens, but someone is literally
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  digging up graves to build puppets.
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  That's a creating real human remains to fuel a content
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  machine. There are subscription services.
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  Big Reveal shows it's an industry built to keep the
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  mystery going, not to solve it. But, and this is the huge but,
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  Raul separates these hoaxes from the real anomalies because the
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  actual architecture he's finding is is frankly even harder to
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  explain than a fake alien. OK, so let's talk about vinyak.
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  I had never even heard of this site.
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  Vinyak is the perfect example of what they call stratigraphy, the
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  layer cake of history. On the surface you see buildings
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  from the Wari culture. And there are known quantity
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  textbook stuff. Exactly.
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  Small stones, mud, mortar. It looks, you know, kind of
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  primitive but functional. But then you dig down.
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  How far down? About 50 feet and architecture
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  just changes. The mud and small rocks
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  disappear and you suddenly hit precision cut megalithic block.
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  Bassoons. Massive perfect right angles
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  fitting together so tightly there's no need for mortar, so
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  the older stuff is way more advanced.
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  It's completely backwards from how we think of progress.
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  It should get better over time, not worse.
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  What did the locals say about it?
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  Well, when the Spanish showed up, they asked them who built
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  these giant foundations and the local said, oh not us, the
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  people from the lake built that long before we ever got here.
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  The people from the lake, as in Lake Titaka.
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  That's the theory, the Tuanaku culture.
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  But Titicaca is hundreds of kilometers in a huge mountain
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  range away. It suggests this this lost high
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  civilization that we're only seeing the barest hints of.
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  And that's just one site. Then he shows the footage of
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  Purulin, the bedrock pyramids. This is where I just I was
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  speechless. This is where his drone work is
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  just incredible. Purulin is on the coast.
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  It has 16 platform pyramids. From the ground, they just look
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  like lumpy hills. But they weren't built on the
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  ground. No, this is the key.
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  They didn't quarry stones and stack them.
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  They took a mountain, a bedrock hill, and they carve the
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  pyramids out of it. The level of planning that
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  takes. I mean, if you're stacking
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  blocks and make a mistake, you just move the block.
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  Right, but if you're carving bedrock 1 bad crack and the
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  whole thing is ruined, you're removing everything that isn't
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  the pyramid. And they're all aligned to.
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  All 16 face northeast. They align perfectly with the
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  solstice sunrise. So it's massive industrial
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  engineering plus sophisticated astronomy, and it's all just
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  sitting there eroding into the sea.
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  And Raul thinks the official date, 1800 BCE is way off.
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  He thinks it's much, much older, maybe pre ceramic from a time
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  before they were even making pottery.
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  We're looking at the remnants of the remnants.
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  It just makes you wonder what else is out there.
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  Which brings us to how he's actually finding this stuff.
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  He's like a Google Earth detective.
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  It's the democratization of archaeology, really.
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  He saw a gap on the map. You have the famous corral site
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  in one valley, then 200 kilometers N another.
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  Ancient culture, but in between, nothing.
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  A blank spot. So he just started looking.
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  He just zoomed in on Google Earth and he saw it.
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  A faint geometric shape. A sunken circular Plaza.
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  The signature architectural style.
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  Exactly. So he just went, rented a car,
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  drove it to the desert, found the local farmer, and they hiked
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  out there like a real life Field of Dreams.
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  No permits, no big expedition, just a guy in his drone.
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  And he found it. A huge, unregistered temple
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  complex. No fences, no protection, and
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  his drone footage confirms it's the same blueprint as Corral.
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  And corral itself is so important for how we think about
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  civilization. It is.
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  It's as old as Angel Egypt, maybe 6000 years old.
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  But for 1000 years there is 0 evidence of warfare.
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  No walls, no battlements, no weapons.
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  They found flutes made of Condor bone.
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  Right fishing Nets but no smash head in clubs.
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  It challenges that whole idea that civilization only starts
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  because of war. Maybe can start with trade and
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  cooperation and. They might have had form of
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  writing to the quipas. The knotted strings.
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  They found a primitive one at Corral, which is thousands of
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  years older than the Inca ones we usually hear about.
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  It suggests this incredibly long tradition of record keeping.
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  A tradition that was mostly lost when the Spanish burned them.
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  They saw the Inca reading history from these knots,
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  thought it was devil's work, and destroyed them.
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  It's like burning the Library of Alexandria but for the Andes.
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  It's so frustrating, but you can't burn bones.
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  Which brings us to the elongated skulls.
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  This is where Raul draws a really clear line.
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  He debunks the fake mummies, but he is adamant that the Paracas
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  skulls are a real unexplained biological mystery.
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  Now the official story is always cranial binding.
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  They strap boards to babies heads.
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  And he agrees binding was a real practice, but it can't explain
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  everything we see. Binding can change the shape of
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  a skull, but it can't change the volume.
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  You can't just create more bone. Basic physics.
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  Exactly, and some of these paracas skulls have 25% more
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  cranial volume and are 60% heavier than a normal human
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  skull. 60% heavier. Yes, the bone is denser, the eye
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  sockets are bigger. And the weirdest part, some of
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  them are missing this agile suture.
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  The line that runs down the top of your head, right?
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  Where the skull plates fuse, all Homo sapiens have it.
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  If you don't, you are biologically different in a very
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  fundamental way. So what does that imply?
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  A different human species. Or subspecies.
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  Raul mentioned some controversial DNA reports that
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  claim to link them not to Native American groups, but to people
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  from around the Black Sea or Caspian Sea.
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  That would that would rewrite everything we think we know
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  about who was in the Americas and when.
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  It shatters the timeline, and academia generally does not like
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  it when you shatter the timeline.
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  Speaking of shattering your reality, let's go underground,
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  Shavin de Guantar. The Psychedelic Labyrinth.
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  This place is maybe 3000 years old.
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  It's this massive complex filled with underground tunnels, and we
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  know they use the San Pedro cactus mescaline.
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  So it was a machine designed for altered states of consciousness.
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  It was a theater for the mind. They built canals to rush water
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  through the tunnels to create these roaring Jaguar like
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  sounds. Total sensory deprivation.
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  So you're in the dark, you're on mescaline, and you're hearing
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  the walls roar. And at the center of it all is
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  the lands on. A 15 foot tall monolith of a
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  Fang deity. Imagine being in that state and
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  coming face to face with that thing in the dark.
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  You would come out a changed person for sure.
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  But here's the funny modern detail.
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  Raoul goes there and the guards have this bizarre rule.
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  No flash photography. They claim the flash will damage
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  the stone. A camera flash on a rock that's
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  been there for 3000 years. It's absurd, he points out.
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  It's not about preservation, it's about control the
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  gatekeeper mentality. Don't look too close, don't
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  document it yourself. Just listen to our approved
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  script. And that really feels like the
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  big theme here, the gatekeepers, academics, governments versus
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  this new wave. The power has shifted.
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  You have a guy on his laptop finding temples the experts
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  missed. Yeah, you have the Internet
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  debunking hoaxes but also demanding real answers about the
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  megaliths. It's open source archaeology.
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  It really is, and we have to remember what Raul said.
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  We're only seeing the remnants of the remnants.
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  Sea levels have risen. Farms have paved oversights.
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  We're looking at a tiny fraction of what was once here.
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  So where does that leave us for the listener at home?
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  I think it means that we just need to stay curious and maybe a
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  little bit skeptical of anyone who says we know everything and
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  the tools to question that are now in everyone's hands.
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  And he leaves us with that final thought, bringing it right back
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  home. He talks about the sage wall in
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  Texas. Yeah.
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  These huge rock walls in the US that some geologists say are
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  natural and others think are ancient eroded structures.
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  And the point isn't even if the wall is real or not.
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  No, the point is, the possibility, if a video editor
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  in 2026 can find an undocumented temple in Peru just because he
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  decided to look, was buried in your own backyard.
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  History isn't over, it's just waiting for someone to notice.
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  That's a wrap for this deep dive.
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  Thanks for listening. Keep looking, you never know
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  what you'll find.