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Marilyn Manson: A Car Crash, a Planned Murder, Nihilism, Abuse, and Inhumanity · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Okay, so is there a more controversial figure in modern
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Speaker 1: rock and roll than Marilyn Manson. We discussed the insane
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Speaker 1: inhumanity that is at the core of this musician's character
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Speaker 1: here in this episode, along with all of the highly
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Speaker 1: publicized criminal and civil cases, or most of the cases,
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Speaker 1: I should say. We released this story originally back on
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Speaker 1: June third, twenty twenty five, and Marilyn Manson is now
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Speaker 1: in the news again recently, just this week, actually, Marilyn
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Speaker 1: Manson lost his court battle to toss an ex assistance
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Speaker 1: sexual assault lawsuit against him. He wanted to get this
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Speaker 1: thrown out of court. It's not getting thrown out of court.
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Speaker 1: We'll keep you posted on this news as it develops,
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Speaker 1: likely in the after party, possibly maybe even with an
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Speaker 1: updated version of this original episode. We'll sail and all
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Speaker 1: shakes out anyways, With Manson in the news, here's one
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Speaker 1: of the more shocking episodes of rockstar Madness and Transgression
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Speaker 1: that you will ever come across.
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Speaker 2: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners.
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Speaker 2: Please check the show notes for more information.
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Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is the
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Speaker 1: story about the Antichrist the Antichrist Superstar. It's also the
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Speaker 1: story of a deadly car crash, a murder that almost was,
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Speaker 1: nearly innumerable allegations of abuse, and acts by a rock
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Speaker 1: star so depraved we can barely mention them. And that's
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Speaker 1: saying something for this podcast. This is a story about
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Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson, a man who yes made great music. Unlike
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Speaker 1: that music I played few at the top of the
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Speaker 1: show that wasn't great music. That was a preset loop
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Speaker 1: from my melotron called Winnie Cooper Stole My Heart MK one.
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Speaker 1: I played you that loop because I can't afford the
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Speaker 1: rights to Macarena by Los del Rio. And why would
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Speaker 1: I play you that specific slice of I Cheese? Could
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Speaker 1: I afford it? Because that was the number one song
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Speaker 1: in America on October eighth, nineteen ninety six, and that
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Speaker 1: was the day Marilyn Manson released his album Antichrist Superstar,
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Speaker 1: who forever changed the pop music relationship between art and humanity.
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Speaker 1: On this episode, a deadly crash, a murder that almost was,
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Speaker 1: allegations of abuse and shocking acts of depravity.
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Speaker 2: From Marilyn Manton.
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Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan, and this this disgraceland.
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Speaker 3: Stay hell out of my basement.
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Speaker 1: That was the warning from Marilyn Manson's grandfather. Marilyn Manson
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Speaker 1: was back then only known by his god given name,
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Speaker 1: Brian Warner, and his grandfather was not fucking around.
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Speaker 3: Stay the hell out of my basement.
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Speaker 1: His grandfather had a tracheotomy and used a mechanical valve
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Speaker 1: to speak. He lived his life with an open wound
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Speaker 1: in his neck that led directly to a hole in
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Speaker 1: his windpipe, which allowed him to breathe. The talking mechanism
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Speaker 1: made him sound like a demonic robot.
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Speaker 3: Stay hell out of my basement.
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Speaker 1: But hell was too inviting a proposition young Marilyn Uh
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Speaker 1: Brian Warner couldn't resist. He snuck down into his grandfather's
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Speaker 1: basement one afternoon to snoop and there was a dusty
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Speaker 1: wooden table filled with boxes, tools, dirty ash trays, pretty
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Speaker 1: much what you'd expect in a grandfather's basement. And there
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Speaker 1: was also hardcore pornography, specialized pornomax, Asian fever, finger hot
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Speaker 1: pussies and cold spikes, and the more directly named big titties.
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Speaker 1: There was also a stack of black and white photos
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Speaker 1: depicting bestiality, men and women engaged in well acts with
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Speaker 1: animals too depraved and disgusting for me to repeat here.
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Speaker 1: And then there was a sound. The door to the
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Speaker 1: basement stairs creaked open, and Brian quickly hid under the table.
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Speaker 1: His grandfather bounded down the stairs and sat at the table,
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Speaker 1: unaware that his grandson was hidden away at his feet.
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Speaker 1: To a teenage boy, the sounds what came next were
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Speaker 1: all too familiar, the fly being unzipped and the dispensing
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Speaker 1: of the lotion from the bottle, the slick sound of
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Speaker 1: skin over skin. But the next sounds were truly horrifying,
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Speaker 1: and you could barely hear the sounds beneath the scorched
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Speaker 1: earth distortion of Al Jorgensen from ministries, guitars pumping through
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Speaker 1: the speakers. But those sounds of horror, of abuse, they
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Speaker 1: were there, burbling up.
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Speaker 2: From somewhere in this underground Fort.
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Speaker 1: Lauderdale Fetish Club's darkness. It was the early nineteen nineties
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Speaker 1: and Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids had finished their
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Speaker 1: set at Club Squeeze and the crowd had split. Now
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Speaker 1: it was just bartenders and bar backs posing the place down,
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Speaker 1: counting cash, splitting tips, eager to make it out before sunrise,
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Speaker 1: with hopes of some sort.
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Speaker 2: Of afterparty to crash.
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Speaker 1: But those sounds ministry stigmata could not cover them up.
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Speaker 1: One male bar back asked a female bartender to walk
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Speaker 1: them into the women's bathroom where the sounds of horror.
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Speaker 2: Were coming from.
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Speaker 1: And they entered, and the sounds grew louder, and they
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Speaker 1: followed the sounds toward a stall, opened the door, and
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Speaker 1: there he was, leader of the so called spooky kids,
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Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson, nearly naked, long, stringy black hair, makeup smudged
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Speaker 1: across his face in all the wrong places, ripped pantyhose,
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Speaker 1: rubber hotpants, wild eyed with a ballgag in his mouth,
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Speaker 1: handcuffed to the toilets, struggling to free himself like a
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Speaker 1: trapped rock and roll animal. After laughing uncontrollably for a
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Speaker 1: few minutes, at their discovery, the bartender and barback found
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Speaker 1: the keys to the handcuffs and released Marilyn Manson back
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Speaker 1: into the wild. The wild was, of course, Florida, where
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Speaker 1: Brian Warner had relocated from the horror of his grandfather's
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Speaker 1: basement in Canton, Ohio, to attend community college in Fort
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Speaker 1: Lauderdale and study journalism. Brian might have escaped his grandfather's
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Speaker 1: basement in the oppressive Christian education back in his hometown,
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Speaker 1: but he couldn't escape himself. Even after changing his name
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Speaker 1: to Marilyn Manson and putting together a band and a
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Speaker 1: look that made Alice Cooper, Iggy Pop and David Bowie
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Speaker 1: appear modest in comparison, and even after presenting a stage
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Speaker 1: show that included leading a female band member around on
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Speaker 1: a leash and violently punching her in the face, among
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Speaker 1: other acts of public depravity and abuse, Marilyn Manson could
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Speaker 1: not escape what he always knew. He was a worm,
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Speaker 1: a slimy insect with no backbone, both male and female genitalia,
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Speaker 1: a Darwinian afterthought, the weakest of the week, a glutton
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Speaker 1: for human rot, too shameful to make it above ground,
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Speaker 1: relegated to the basements and fetish club bathrooms. Born of
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Speaker 1: subterranean bestiality and shameful self gratification, Marilyn Manson fronted one
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Speaker 1: of Fort Lauderdale's most interesting and potentially explosive underground bands,
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Speaker 1: but he knew that that potential would never be realized
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Speaker 1: without metamorphising from worm to snake or better yet, from
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Speaker 1: worm to demon. There was no half step in your
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Speaker 1: way to rockstardom. He had two choices in this life.
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Speaker 1: Choice one, strike at the heart and become the man
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Speaker 1: he was meant to be, a man equal in stature
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Speaker 1: to the men he repeatedly read and looked up to,
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Speaker 1: Anton Levy, author of the Satanic Bible, and nihilistic philosopher
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Speaker 1: Frederick Nietzsche. Or Choice two, end up with a wife
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Speaker 1: with flabby tits and two dumb kids and a future
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Speaker 1: in a suburban basement with your dick in your hand.
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Speaker 1: And the choice was obvious. Become the man he was
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Speaker 1: meant to be a rock star, kill the worm. To
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Speaker 1: do that, Marilyn Manson needed to rid himself of any
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Speaker 1: trace of humanity, no empathy, no nothing. He needed to
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Speaker 1: replace the blood coursing through his six foot three, skinny
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Speaker 1: frame with ice water. He needed to be completely callous,
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Speaker 1: totally uncaring, devoid of any in all care or concern
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Speaker 1: for anyone but himself.
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Speaker 2: Do what thou wilt.
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Speaker 1: It was that familiar narcissistic rock star refrained, champion by
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Speaker 1: the acolytes of Alistair Crowley, Jim Morrison, Jimmy Page, David Bowie,
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Speaker 1: but those dudes didn't take it far enough. There was
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Speaker 1: a line between their stage personas and their real life personas,
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Speaker 1: and Marilyn Manson was determined to obliterate that line. The
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Speaker 1: two cars collided on the street in front of Manson,
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Speaker 1: who was walking home late at night. There were no
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Speaker 1: sirens and no ambulance as yet, no cops, no doors
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Speaker 1: opening from nearby houses, not even any screams from inside
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Speaker 1: the two demolished vehicles. There was just an eerie, calm
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Speaker 1: smoke rising from the crushed engines, wafting silently into the
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Speaker 1: humid Florida air. Manson walked toward the crash, not out
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Speaker 1: of curiosity, but just because the accident was between him
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Speaker 1: and where he was going. The slow mechanical creaking sound
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Speaker 1: of the damaged automobile door opening and then the scuffed
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Speaker 1: shuffle of the zombies stumbling out of one of the
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Speaker 1: cars onto the street. He was covered in blood, staggering
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Speaker 1: with one hand on his forehead, and then he dropped
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Speaker 1: his hand and the flap of skin that was his
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Speaker 1: forehead flopped down over his eyes and nose, brains, blood,
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Speaker 1: and Manson did nothing. He kept walking away from the
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Speaker 1: badly injured man in desperate need of help. Manson glanced
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Speaker 1: into the other car as he passed it, and there
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Speaker 1: she was another severely injured driver, a woman behind the wheel.
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Speaker 1: She made eye contact with Manson. Her breathing was labored,
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Speaker 1: her pain was palpable. She was dying. Manson could tell
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Speaker 1: hold me, she whispered to him, with a shiver. Please
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Speaker 1: somebody hold me, she asked him, and Manson kept walking.
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Speaker 1: Fucked them. They didn't deserve his comfort, his mercy. They
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Speaker 1: were dying, and so was the worm. Letting two innocent
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Speaker 1: people die in your watch without lifting a finger to
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Speaker 1: help is a special kind of deplorable. So is inflicting
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Speaker 1: abuse on others intentionally, as Marilyn Manson did as part
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Speaker 1: of a stage show. But hold up, this story can't
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Speaker 1: go any further without acknowledging the shock rock elephant.
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Speaker 3: In the room.
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Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson is accused of monstrous abuse, abuse that goes
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Speaker 1: far beyond is admitted neglect. In the stage antics. He
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Speaker 1: rationalizes his art abuse from multiple women, abuse that has
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Speaker 1: landed him not only in the headlines, but in court,
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Speaker 1: an abuse that, it must be noted. Marilyn Manson has
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Speaker 1: vehemently denied for the record, Brian Warner aka Marilyn Manson
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Speaker 1: has not been found guilty of any of the many
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Speaker 1: charges brought against him. In some cases, he and the
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Speaker 1: plaintiffs have settled, so Brian Warner slash Marilyn Manson remains innocent,
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Speaker 1: a free man. That said, it's worth specifically mentioning that
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Speaker 1: the West World star Evan Rachel Wood, Manson's ex girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: has accused Marilyn Manson of a pattern of abuse. Wood
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Speaker 1: testified about her experience before Congress, though in that testimony
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Speaker 1: she did not name Manson. She did, however, directly accuse
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Speaker 1: Manson later on Instagram and in her twenty twenty two
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Speaker 1: documentary Phoenix Rising, which premiered at Sundance and.
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Speaker 2: Was shown on HBO.
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Speaker 1: In it, Wood goes into great detail about what she
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Speaker 1: claims was a highly unorthodox and extremely abusive relationship, claiming
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Speaker 1: that Manson drugged and raped her. Yet not only did
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Speaker 1: Manson deny these allegations, he countersued and ultimately settled with Wood.
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Speaker 1: He admitted, though, to nothing, but agreed to pay three
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars to Wood for her
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Speaker 1: attorney fees. In addition to woods claims at the height
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Speaker 1: of the Me Too movement. In twenty eighteen, Manson was
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Speaker 1: the subject of a Los Angeles County District Attorney investigation
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Speaker 1: over the filing of a police report against him alleging
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Speaker 1: unspecified sex crimes dating back to twenty eleven. Again, Marilyn
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Speaker 1: Manson denied the allegation, citing quote absence of corroboration on quote,
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Speaker 1: and the LA County DA dropped the charges. In New
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Speaker 1: York magazine Game of Thrones, actress as Made Bianco, a
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Speaker 1: one time girlfriend of Manson, claimed he chased her with
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Speaker 1: an axe and assaulted her during a shoot for a
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Speaker 1: music video. Bianco later sued Manson, claiming additionally that he
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Speaker 1: raped her numerous times. Manson denied these allegations, saying they
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Speaker 1: were quote provably false unquote. In twenty twenty three, Bianco
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Speaker 1: and Manson settled out of court, though it should be
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Speaker 1: noted that Bianco continues to rail against Manson publicly and
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Speaker 1: Manson continues to maintain his innocence. Another ex girlfriend, Morgan Smithline,
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Speaker 1: told People magazine in a cover story in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: one that Manson was a monster. She claimed that he
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Speaker 1: cut her, whipped her, sexually, assaulted her. Manson denied the
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Speaker 1: allegations through a spokesperson. Smithline later went on the view
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Speaker 1: and talked about suing Manson for rape and human trafficking.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, a judge dismissed smith Lion's lawsuit,
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Speaker 1: and smith Lyin later recanted her testimony and claimed that
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Speaker 1: Evan Rachel Would and others manipulated her into making her
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Speaker 1: accusations against Marilyn Manson. In a sworn statement, she said, quote,
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Speaker 1: I succumbed the pressure from Evan Rachel Wood in her
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Speaker 1: associates to make accusations of rape and assault against mister
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Speaker 1: Warner that were not true. Eventually, I started to believe
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Speaker 1: that what I was repeatedly told happened to miss Wood
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Speaker 1: and others also happened to me unquote. In twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: another X, this one unidentified, suede Manson for rape, and
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Speaker 1: Manson's legal team strongly denied the accusations, and ultimately Manson
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Speaker 1: and this Jane Doe, settled the case out of court.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, the La County Sheriff's Department announced
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Speaker 1: that it had been investigating Manson for close to two years.
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Speaker 1: The department raided his home, seized electronic storage devices, and
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Speaker 1: brought what it thought was its best case against Marilyn
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Speaker 1: Manson to the LA District Attorney. In January of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, the district attorney announced that he would not
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Speaker 1: be bringing any criminal charges of sexual assault against Marilyn Manson,
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Speaker 1: stating that in some cases, the statute of limitations had expired,
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Speaker 1: and that, furthermore, based on the evidence, the district Attorney's
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Speaker 1: office quote could not prove sexual assault in court unquote. Okay,
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Speaker 1: get all that. It's a lot. What do all these
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Speaker 1: allegations have in common besides the fact that none of
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Speaker 1: them stuck.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
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Speaker 1: They all happened after nineteen ninety eight. Well, what happened
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight? That was the year Marilyn Manson
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Speaker 1: released his autobiography, The Long Hard Road out of Hell.
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Speaker 1: Why is this important? Well, lots of rock stars write autobiographies.
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Speaker 1: You say, yeah, you're right, but most other musicians don't
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Speaker 1: contend with years of sexual abuse allegations in and out
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Speaker 1: of court. After admitting to some very questionable behavior that
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Speaker 1: some would label abuse in a memoir, theoretically demonstrating what
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Speaker 1: prosecuting attorneys could frame as a pattern of abuse in
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Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson's drive to become what he would eventually term
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Speaker 1: the Antichrist superstar to Kill the Worm. He repeatedly detailed
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Speaker 1: numerous incidents of abuse in the pages of his own book.
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Speaker 1: Hog Tying a groupie is not an easy task. First,
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Speaker 1: you have to find the space to do it, which
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Speaker 1: isn't as easy as you would think. You might think
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Speaker 1: that backstage is a good enough place, but then you
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Speaker 1: got to deal with peskey onlookers, members of your band
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Speaker 1: looking for a cheap thrill, too ignorant to realize that
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Speaker 1: what you're going for in this situation is nihilism, not kink.
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Speaker 1: The two groupies, they were runaways, a boy and a girl.
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Speaker 1: Now you wanted emotional carnage. You wanted to break down
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Speaker 1: the humanity, elicit a confession, something neither runaway had admitted before.
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Speaker 1: There was power in that. Anton LeVay would agree. The
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Speaker 1: boy groupie was fit for the hogtime contraption. In one
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Speaker 1: of the backstage back rooms that was private enough. He
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Speaker 1: stripped down naked.
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Speaker 2: He hate n't mind being tied up.
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Speaker 1: You were his savior.
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Speaker 2: He and the girl told you so.
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Speaker 1: You relished in the sight a boy with his legs
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Speaker 1: spread eagle each bound to the contraption, his arms tied
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Speaker 1: behind his back, and the rope that bound him was
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Speaker 1: also attached to his neck, so any movement from his
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Speaker 1: legs or arms would choke him. And it was quite disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Your partner in crime. Your tourist bus driver sought a confession.
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Speaker 1: The boy, in his vulnerable state, was eager to give one.
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Speaker 1: He coped begging in the street. He copped to being
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Speaker 1: abused by his stepfather. He copped to pimping his sister
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Speaker 1: out for cash to buy tickets to your concert. One
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Speaker 1: truck stop blow a job coming up, and the shame
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Speaker 1: was now palpable, seeping into the backstage air as the
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Speaker 1: boy admitted that pimping out his sister got her rebducted
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Speaker 1: by a redneck trucker and the scene was depraved, and
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Speaker 1: it was all being captured on felt. Then outside the
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Speaker 1: backstage music suddenly cut whispers, murmurs, loud authoritative commands. It
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Speaker 1: was the cops busting up the backstage party, and they
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Speaker 1: were there to make sure the female groupies were of age,
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Speaker 1: digging through purses, checking ideas in Marilyn Manson's pocket, there were,
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Speaker 1: of course drugs, and in the room he was in
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Speaker 1: there was a naked, hogtied boy with evidence of the
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Speaker 1: entire crime on a rolling video camera. Marilyn Manson quietly
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Speaker 1: untied the boy and got him dressed, and the cops
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Speaker 1: never bothered entering the room. The incident ended without further drama.
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Speaker 1: Not only was the abuse documented on camera, but also
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Speaker 1: in Marilyn Manson's book, as I said, and of course
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Speaker 1: there are numerous other incidents of abuse, details in this book,
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Speaker 1: all of which were made public in nineteen ninety eight,
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Speaker 1: years before Manson was officially accused of anything. My point
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Speaker 1: is that everything was right there in the open for
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Speaker 1: all to see. Does this abuse incriminate Marilyn Manson for
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Speaker 1: the crimes he was later accused of. No, it does not,
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Speaker 1: but it does paint a picture of someone capable of
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Speaker 1: truly awful behavior. And again all of that was known,
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Speaker 1: known of course by his bandmates, who in many cases
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Speaker 1: behaved just as badly as he did, Known by his managers,
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Speaker 1: and known by his record label. They were all aware
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Speaker 1: of it, and they were even aware of the young
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Speaker 1: woman Marilyn Manson set out to murder we'll be right
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Speaker 1: back after this. We're we're, we're. Killing your ex girlfriend
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Speaker 1: is easy. Killing your ex girlfriend and getting away with
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Speaker 1: it is another proposition altogether. Marilyn Manson plotted this murder carefully.
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Speaker 1: Everything was at stake. You can't break out of Fort
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Speaker 1: Lauderdale in an industrial rock band and lead a nation
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Speaker 1: of malcontent teens out of conformity and into the Satanic
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Speaker 1: promised land from prison. No, you must be free, free
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Speaker 1: on the outside, and free of your ex girlfriend's obsessive
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Speaker 1: control and smothering presence. Murder was the only solution. Not
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Speaker 1: only did it solve your ex girlfriend problem, but killing
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Speaker 1: another human solved your humanity problem as well. Kill the girl,
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Speaker 1: Kill the worm, the worm inside you, Kill the old you,
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Speaker 1: the Brian Warner, still skulking around on the inside, haunting
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Speaker 1: your conscience with shame and fear and worse, compassion for others.
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Speaker 1: Fuck that guy and fuck her. Your plan was solid.
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Speaker 1: You spent weeks piecing it together, obsessing over every detail. First,
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Speaker 1: you did your research. You followed her, tracked her daily movements,
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Speaker 1: you cased her house. You took in all the details
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Speaker 1: you could, like a proper criminal. And then you decided
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Speaker 1: on a means to match your motive, Parson. It was perfect.
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Speaker 1: Arson destroyed not only the girl, but the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Linking you to the girl.
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Speaker 1: It was a type of perfect diabolical scheme that makes
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Speaker 1: psychopaths giddy with delight. You dawned all black and downed
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Speaker 1: enough liquor to steal your spine, and then you hit
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Speaker 1: the street toward her house. Kerosene, check, zip a check.
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Speaker 1: Her street was deserted. There was the house that you
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Speaker 1: were ready. Then the same man you got a light
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Speaker 1: from the darkness, a homeless man. He went from asking
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Speaker 1: for a light to try to get you to buy
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Speaker 1: crack off of him in a Fort Lauderdale minute, and
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Speaker 1: you tried to shake him. You had a job to do,
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Speaker 1: but he had a job to do too. You were
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Speaker 1: a potential customer, and he would not fuck off. This
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Speaker 1: was his street, this was his house, and devilish as
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Speaker 1: you were, you couldn't burn the whole damn street down.
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Speaker 1: So you bailed, and then your murderous plan faded, saved
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Speaker 1: by a crackhead angel. Your ex girlfriend never realized how
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Speaker 1: close she'd come to death, That is until she read
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Speaker 1: your book, where you detailed everything you wanted the world
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Speaker 1: to know who you really were, Marilyn Manson, not Brian Warner.
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Speaker 1: Brian Warner had to die. Brian Warner was in the way.
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Speaker 1: Brian Warner was preventing you from becoming the Antichrist superstar.
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Speaker 1: That was the whole point. That's what you were gunning for.
23:38
Speaker 1: From Fort Lauderdale's industrial underground, nailing women to crucifixes, leading
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Speaker 1: them around on all fours, degrading them, keeping kids in
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Speaker 1: cages on stage, hurling raw meat and bloody animal parts
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Speaker 1: at the audience, catching the attention of nine inch Nails
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Speaker 1: as Trent Reznor and his Nothing Records label, to your
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Speaker 1: debut album Portrait of an American Family, to your break
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Speaker 1: through on MTV, and into the mainstream with your excellent
24:02
Speaker 1: cover of the rhythmic sweet Dreams Are Made of This,
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Speaker 1: and finally back into the studio in New Orleans, a
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Speaker 1: former funeral home by the way, with Trent at the boards,
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Speaker 1: to create your magnumobis Antichrist superstar. But there was an
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Speaker 1: uninvited guest at the studio, Brian Warner.
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Speaker 2: Fuck this guy.
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Speaker 1: How can you transform yourself into the biggest rock star
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Speaker 1: on the planet when you've got a warmy little asshole
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Speaker 1: inside you telling you to take it slow and maybe
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Speaker 1: consider what others want out of this project. Your bandmates,
24:33
Speaker 1: your producer, your record label, your fans, Fuck them, and
24:37
Speaker 1: fuck Brian Warner. First it was cocaine, a lot of cocaine,
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Speaker 1: rails and rails and rails of cocaine from the minute
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Speaker 1: you enter to the studio until the minute you left.
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Speaker 1: Then you tried drowning Brian in alcohol, and when that
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Speaker 1: didn't work, you added pills. But Brian wouldn't go down easy. Still,
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Speaker 1: you kept at it months in the studio of nothing
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Speaker 1: but drugs and alcohol and destruction, tape recorders in microwaves,
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Speaker 1: held fireworks in microwaves, destroyed guitars, snorting glass for fun.
25:11
Speaker 1: You had, after all, a debaucherius studio reputation to live
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Speaker 1: up to. Ever since that.
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Speaker 2: Time in Miami with the deaf groupie.
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Speaker 1: You brought her back to the studio there and she
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Speaker 1: was eager to strip down. You covered her meat and
25:24
Speaker 1: then the sex acts started. Then you degraded her in
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Speaker 1: the most vile way.
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Speaker 2: You urinated on her.
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Speaker 1: You claimed she wanted it, You wanted that kind of inhumanity.
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Speaker 2: Now it was the only.
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Speaker 1: Way to kill Brian and to possess the power necessary
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Speaker 1: to create what you knew you had in you, a
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Speaker 1: culture changing album, the type of record that separated you
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Speaker 1: not only from the conformists, but from your peers as well,
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Speaker 1: head and shoulders above Al Jorgensen and anyone else from
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Speaker 1: the industrial scene. A whole other thing too big for
25:56
Speaker 1: the underground, a modern day David Bowie fronting lead fucking Zeppelin,
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Speaker 1: powered by a fresh new record deal with the Devil,
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Speaker 1: and as far as Trent fucking Resonor was concerned, he
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Speaker 1: could hammer a nine inch nail into his two inch
26:08
Speaker 1: cock and fuck off back to Courtney loves Bet. You
26:11
Speaker 1: weren't as protege like they said you were. He was
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Speaker 1: a creative wench, a bity egomaniacal mile marker on the
26:18
Speaker 1: Lost Highway to superstart him. But right now hardly any
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Speaker 1: music was being made, So once again you turned to sex,
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Speaker 1: sex with rank, vile drug addicts and filthy public bathrooms.
26:34
Speaker 1: You degraded them so violently in one instant said I'm
26:37
Speaker 1: not even gonna repeat it here, but let's just say
26:39
Speaker 1: it involved thetoral ring, and you projected the decordation. But
26:43
Speaker 1: really you were the target well, Brian was the target,
26:47
Speaker 1: and yet nothing worked. Brian lived in your art, suffered,
26:52
Speaker 1: Your band was dying in the studio in a haze
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Speaker 1: of bad sex, worse drugs.
26:57
Speaker 2: And no rock and roll.
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Speaker 1: In an effort to just roy your humanity, you destroyed
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Speaker 1: yourself as an artist. Because humanity is at the core
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Speaker 1: of all great art. You were too smart not to
27:08
Speaker 1: finally realize this, and when you did, you snapped too.
27:12
Speaker 1: If humanity was indeed needed to survive too, in some
27:17
Speaker 1: twisted ironic way to give birth to your greatest artistic
27:20
Speaker 1: endeavor yet, the antichrist superstar, then fuck it. Brian could
27:25
Speaker 1: stay and you'd get clean ish, knock down the drug
27:30
Speaker 1: and alcohol intake, and focus yourself and your band on
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Speaker 1: the task at hand. And you'd relegate Brian to the
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Speaker 1: basement of your soul where he was comfortable, put him
27:39
Speaker 1: to work whenever necessary. After all, you had a job
27:43
Speaker 1: to do to make the most shocking mainstream rock album
27:46
Speaker 1: of all time, and fist fuck the American youth out
27:49
Speaker 1: of their catatonic conformist state. Celebrity is its own drug.
28:18
Speaker 1: When all the famous people in Hollywood want to get
28:20
Speaker 1: up close to your own personal freak, show and experience
28:23
Speaker 1: what it's like to breed the same air as you.
28:25
Speaker 1: It's intoxicating, as intoxicating as the drugs you take and
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Speaker 1: the drugs that.
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Speaker 3: You're on right now.
28:32
Speaker 1: You're so high it's hard to remember what you even took.
28:36
Speaker 1: It's hard to remember where you even are. You're at
28:39
Speaker 1: a table in public, and Billy Corgan is sitting at
28:42
Speaker 1: this table across from you. He's either arguing with or
28:46
Speaker 1: coming on to Rick Rubin's beard. Rick Rubin, the famous producer,
28:51
Speaker 1: he's at the table too. You're in a restaurant or
28:54
Speaker 1: a club or a bar, and everywhere you look there
28:57
Speaker 1: are famous people, but they're looking at you like you're
29:01
Speaker 1: the attraction. And there's the dudes from Zizi Top. Oh
29:05
Speaker 1: no are their beards? Is gonna want to fight Rick
29:07
Speaker 1: Rubin's beard?
29:08
Speaker 2: You hope not?
29:09
Speaker 1: Your mind it turns away from them, it turns to
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Speaker 1: your date.
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Speaker 2: You're lost date.
29:13
Speaker 1: You lost your date Fiona Apple long ago in the night,
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Speaker 1: and it's too bad.
29:18
Speaker 2: You really liked her.
29:19
Speaker 1: But now you have another date and she's sitting at
29:21
Speaker 1: the table with you and Rick Rubin and Billy Corgan.
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Speaker 1: She's next to you and your jacket is on her lap.
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Speaker 1: Your hands are down her pants under the table. She's
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Speaker 1: famous too, She's also married.
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Speaker 2: She's a porn star. Jenna Jamison.
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Speaker 1: You just met her and you're pissed off that she
29:38
Speaker 1: isn't Tracy Lawrence. The Beautiful People, your smash single from
29:43
Speaker 1: the excellently produced, performed, and presented album Antichrist Superstar, comes
29:48
Speaker 1: on loud over the speakers. You feel people's eyes on you.
29:53
Speaker 2: You don't care. Most artists would feign embarrass her.
29:56
Speaker 1: Not you. You welcome the attention. It's about a fucking time.
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Speaker 1: You deserve it. Making Antichrist Superstar nearly killed you and
30:04
Speaker 1: your band, But not Brian Warner. He's still in there
30:08
Speaker 1: and the album debuted at number three on the Billboard Charts.
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Speaker 1: Rolling Stone said the album is responsible for the death
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Speaker 1: of grunge.
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Speaker 2: Mayant to thank you.
30:17
Speaker 1: Someone had to do it, and those whiny flannel cloud
30:19
Speaker 1: pussies had a coming. You hate grunch, not the music
30:23
Speaker 1: the label. You hate all labels, and that's in part
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Speaker 1: why you're here sitting at the table with your finger
30:29
Speaker 1: inside America's most famous porn star, at your rightful seat
30:32
Speaker 1: at the table with all the other rock stars you
30:35
Speaker 1: made it. In the rest of the world is pissed,
30:39
Speaker 1: pissed at you, pissed at your music, pissed at your band.
30:43
Speaker 1: You're an affront to everything normal and decent in this country,
30:46
Speaker 1: is what they say, to which you reply. Ain't that
30:49
Speaker 1: the fucking point? You tear up the pages of a
30:52
Speaker 1: Bible on stage, you literally wipe your ass with the
30:55
Speaker 1: American flag. You strut around in a back brace with
30:58
Speaker 1: a g string and a ball, act like some fascist dominatrix.
31:01
Speaker 1: Dictator and parents, priests and politicians are apoplectic. What they said.
31:07
Speaker 2: About you was wild.
31:10
Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson is the son and daughter of Charles Manson.
31:14
Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson had one of his ribs removed so he
31:16
Speaker 1: could give himself a blowjob. Marilyn Manson isn't really Marilyn
31:19
Speaker 1: Manson at all. He's Paul from The Wonder Years, and
31:21
Speaker 1: he got when he Cooper pregnant, and then he killed her,
31:24
Speaker 1: and then he had sex with her, and then he
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Speaker 1: had sex with a pig on a video. He's actually
31:27
Speaker 1: black for real. He just bleached his skin like Michael Jackson.
31:31
Speaker 1: He and Michael have a sex called and Corey Feldman
31:33
Speaker 1: is their own personal Manson dug up a body and
31:35
Speaker 1: smoked the bones. He stole Purtney Love from Billy Corgan,
31:38
Speaker 1: who stole her from Trent Reznor. That was actually Twiggy.
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Speaker 1: Manson tattooed his entire dick solid blood breast in plants.
31:44
Speaker 1: They're just really small. He's Anton LaVey's Don Henley's niece.
31:48
Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson is a fucking vegan. His grandfather built him
31:51
Speaker 1: a torture chamber that he brought to his boy Scouts
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Speaker 1: meeting for show and tell. Marilyn Manson isn't real. Marilyn
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Speaker 1: Manson is.
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Speaker 2: The most real.
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Speaker 1: Marilyn murdered his best friend Brian. Marilyn Manson is. Brian
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Speaker 1: Warner is dead. Marilyn Manson lives. What was true? What
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Speaker 1: was false? Who even knew anymore? For a minute there
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Speaker 1: in the nineties, after the release of Antichrist, Superstar, Marilyn
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Speaker 1: Manson owned the zeitgeist. His album painted a grotesque image
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Speaker 1: of American society and presented it as a mirror, and America.
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Speaker 2: Did not like what it saw.
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Speaker 1: Most of America, that is, the teenage record buying public
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Speaker 1: being the exception. Manson's record sold millions of copies, as
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Speaker 1: did his next album, Mechanical Animals, which went platinum on
32:39
Speaker 1: the strength of the monster singles, Dope Show, and the
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Speaker 1: excellently titled I Don't Like the Drugs, but the Drugs
32:45
Speaker 1: Like Me. Throughout the early two thousands, Manson enjoyed his
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Speaker 1: celebrity waltzing through the spotlight with beautiful, high profile girlfriends
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Speaker 1: Rose McGowan and Deedavontis, who he briefly married before beginning
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Speaker 1: a relationship with nineteen year old Evan Rachel Wood. From there,
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Speaker 1: we can start to track the downfall of Marilyn Manson,
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Speaker 1: at least as it relates to the abuse that he
33:08
Speaker 1: has been accused of by Wood and others, which he denies.
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Speaker 1: And perhaps less seriously, Marilyn Manson was accused back then
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Speaker 1: of not only corrupting America's youth with the music on
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Speaker 1: Antichrist Superstar, but of also being a fascist and a
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Speaker 1: racist due to the David Bowie inspired fascistic imagery Manson
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Speaker 1: incorporated into his live shows. Manson is on record stating
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Speaker 1: that Bowie got away with it because Bowie claimed he
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Speaker 1: was playing a character. Manson said, that's a copp out
33:38
Speaker 1: the Anti Christ Superstar concept. Was not a character. It
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Speaker 1: was his art, yes, but it was also him. In
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Speaker 1: his autobiography, Manson wrote the quote when people ask is
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Speaker 1: it an act? Or isn't it? Manson says, quote, it's both.
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Speaker 1: I mean, my whole life is an act. But that's
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Speaker 1: my art unquote of abuse. Allegations that Marilyn Manson vehemently denies,
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Speaker 1: allegations that did not stick, are also part of Marilyn
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Speaker 1: Manson's life. And what are we to make of them?
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Speaker 1: Were they the result of behavior that was just part
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Speaker 1: of the quote unquote act or were they part of
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Speaker 1: something deeper, darker, and far more disgraceful.
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