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Ohio State Football: Inside Buckeyes Fall Practice, Day One · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Tony Gerdaman. Just got a chance to watch the Buckeyes.
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Speaker 2: First practice out the fall. Often have to talk about,
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Speaker 2: but we need to start with the news of the day,
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Speaker 2: which is not necessarily good news.
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Speaker 1: Right at the end of practice, after things had to
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Speaker 1: move inside because there's some severe weather outsoor outdoors, defensive
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Speaker 1: tackle Edward Houston went down with a leg injury. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel like we know a lot of specifics right now,
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Speaker 1: but not definitely not what they wanted to see on
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Speaker 1: day one at tall practice.
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Speaker 3: No, certainly not. You've seen this before Tyley Claves were
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Speaker 3: doing a year or two ago, and when that happens
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Speaker 3: right away, it just creates this Paul over over everything.
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Speaker 3: And so you know, Ryan Days said he didn't talk
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Speaker 3: to the trainers. I'm like, with my concerns about defensive tackle,
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Speaker 3: I immediate can ring. Yeah talkings, And maybe he did,
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Speaker 3: he just wouldn't tell us. But yeah, certainly not something
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Speaker 3: you want to see for any position. But right now,
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Speaker 3: ever since last season ended, the big concern this year
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Speaker 3: was defensive tackle, defensive tackle death and when there is
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Speaker 3: a lot of so many expectations on Edric Houston, who
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Speaker 3: had all of seven tackles last year as a true freshman,
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Speaker 3: like that gives you an idea of the lack of
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Speaker 3: depth and like why it is such a concern, but
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Speaker 3: also the hopes are very high and still are very high.
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Speaker 3: We'll know more, but certainly now you want to start
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Speaker 3: day one.
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Speaker 2: No for sure.
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Speaker 1: And I remember last year during the preseason, someone asked
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Speaker 1: us on one of our listener question shows, what is
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Speaker 1: the position or the player they could least afford to
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Speaker 1: lose last year's.
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Speaker 2: Team, and we both said Josh Simmons.
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Speaker 1: And it was because there was questions about the depth
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Speaker 1: from the offensive line and especially questions about the depth
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Speaker 1: of tackle. And then what happened at Oregon, they lost
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Speaker 1: Josh Simmons and they had to sort of scramble to
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Speaker 1: figure things out this year. If you ask me who
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Speaker 1: could they least afford to lose, I think it would
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Speaker 1: either be Caden McDonald or Edward Houston, because again, they
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Speaker 1: feel good about the ones there. The question is, you know,
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Speaker 1: the guys behind them and the depth there. And Hero
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Speaker 1: Canoe went to the portal after last season and Ryan
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Speaker 1: Day was asked about the depth there and I thought
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Speaker 1: his answer was interesting where he said, yeah, they feel
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Speaker 1: like guys have taken some steps, but they didn't name
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Speaker 1: the guys, which is a little unusual.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the the room as a whole has taken steps,
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Speaker 3: like well who and what steps? Well, let's calm down,
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Speaker 3: like yeah, So generally that was an opportunity for him
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Speaker 3: just to name some names like this is what Jason
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Speaker 3: Moore has done, and this is what I liked when
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Speaker 3: I saw from from Will Smith, and you know, we're
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Speaker 3: starting to see this from Taiwan Malone and you know,
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Speaker 3: don't forget about Eric Mensa and I think I just
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Speaker 3: throughout all of the non true freshmen that they need
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Speaker 3: to see something from. And we know he's mentioned Will Smith.
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Speaker 3: He did that at Big ten media days. Will Smith, well,
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Speaker 3: he's three tech side but has plays played some nose tackles.
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Speaker 3: So like, as we know, everybody cross trains, but certainly
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Speaker 3: they need help up front. And yeah, guys are looking good,
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Speaker 3: guys are stepping up. Who are they? And when when
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Speaker 3: we talked to Larry Johnson later in camp, he's probably
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Speaker 3: gonna say something very similar. Everywhere you have to ask
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Speaker 3: me about specific players to this specific lass like that,
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Speaker 3: it's kind of like, well, you're saying everybody looks good
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Speaker 3: and so that can't possibly be because I think we're.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's such a bad Yeah, this is this is
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Speaker 1: where the sort of you, once uncovering the team, you
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Speaker 1: have to kind of ask a broad pact because if
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Speaker 1: you ask, how is specific name doing going to get come.
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Speaker 2: Long, supposed to work, to do whatever.
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Speaker 1: But what's most meaningful is when you ask about a position,
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Speaker 1: group or room and then you get a specific name,
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Speaker 1: and the order in which those specific names come out
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Speaker 1: is usually there. To tell it, Ryan Day maybe onswus
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Speaker 1: that that we have we have clocked that and.
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Speaker 2: So then you don't get specific names.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the fact the frequency with which we've heard
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Speaker 1: real Smith's name at the media days was a little
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Speaker 1: bit telling to me.
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Speaker 2: We saw him out there quite a bit today.
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Speaker 1: We saw Tyler Boone, you saw you see the guys
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Speaker 1: that that you're sort of they're they're hoping are going
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Speaker 1: to take those gaps. This was a non padded practice,
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Speaker 1: so you know, and there's a lot of individual drills
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Speaker 1: with the offensive line and the defensive line, so you
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Speaker 1: don't get even a lot of those guys going against
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Speaker 1: each other, so you really there's a limited amount you
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Speaker 1: can learn about those areas. One thing that Ryan Day
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Speaker 1: brought up that I, you know, obviously directly related.
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Speaker 2: I would say to the Edward Houston situation is how
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Speaker 2: to practice.
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Speaker 1: And you know that was you know, that was about
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Speaker 1: It wasn't you know, it certainly wasn't heated, but it was.
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Speaker 1: It was a very pointed conversation about when you're out
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Speaker 1: there and you don't.
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Speaker 2: Have pads on you, you have to be careful about.
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Speaker 1: What you're doing around other guys because you can eat
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Speaker 1: the moments have a really significant problem.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he talked about how in the NFL you have
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Speaker 3: to practice without going to the ground, and we hear
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Speaker 3: it all the time here. Stay up, Stay up, stay
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Speaker 3: up when they're when they're doing these thuds and things
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Speaker 3: like that. Said, if you're on the ground a lot
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Speaker 3: in the NFL, you're gonna get cut. Yeah, basically, you're
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Speaker 3: not listening and you are upproachable. And we saw him.
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Speaker 3: There was a play where Jeremiah Smith caught a slant
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Speaker 3: on Aaron Scott and I think Scott maybe got started
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Speaker 3: to stumble and hit Jeremiah did.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like to tackle, just you know, there
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Speaker 2: was contact.
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Speaker 3: Was it was like a hit, Yeah, but it was
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Speaker 3: like loss about little bit. And so Ryan Day came
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Speaker 3: over to him and it was, you know, letting him
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Speaker 3: know that we're not we're not hitting right now. This
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Speaker 3: is where we're just trying to everybody stays up, everybody
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Speaker 3: stays healthy. And he said, you got to practice like that.
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Speaker 3: G pore each other because as much as I don't
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Speaker 3: want you hurting that guy, I don't want that guy
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Speaker 3: hurting you either. So it's it's a two way thing
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Speaker 3: to keep everybody up. And we saw, you know, we
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Speaker 3: saw some guys going to the ground and you're always
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Speaker 3: good to have that, but you're trying to limit that.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, because this you could put the quarterbacks in
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Speaker 3: the in the regular jerseys in the spring because you
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Speaker 3: can afford to get you know, an ankle or shoulder.
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Speaker 3: Now it is serious and you're still I have to
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Speaker 3: build up the physicality. But the first week is like, hey,
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Speaker 3: this is almost patty cake in a sense.
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Speaker 1: Well you're they're not in full pat So that means
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Speaker 1: for people who they talk about the shelves. So there
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Speaker 1: are are sort of shoulder heads and they're wearing football pants,
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Speaker 1: but they don't have five pads in the knee pads,
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Speaker 1: in hip pads.
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Speaker 2: In It's really the whole point of this is.
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Speaker 1: The NCAAHAD rules are you have to have a certain
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Speaker 1: number of non padded practice es. I think gets three to.
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Speaker 2: Start a tall can.
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Speaker 1: You have to have a certain number of non padded
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Speaker 1: practices to start tall cap. Just because they don't punt
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Speaker 1: them coming out here on day one, immediately going head
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Speaker 1: of the metal, you know, putting guys in a spot
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Speaker 1: where like you got to kind of ramp.
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Speaker 2: Up a little bit because they really haven't been hitting
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Speaker 2: at all since the spring New Orleans and so now
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Speaker 2: you don't want to just throw guys right in there,
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Speaker 2: and you know, okay, you're going over the middle room.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna work on getting right to the
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Speaker 1: edge of targeting and not to you know, you don't
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Speaker 1: you're not doing that by any means. So these first
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Speaker 1: couple of practices are very very you know, it's it's
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Speaker 1: it's stuck tempo, but really pretty much home. I don't
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Speaker 1: think we saw anyone going to the grounds intentionally other
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Speaker 1: than ball. You know, the fumble recovery drills and the
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Speaker 1: defense when and that's you know, that's not three guys
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Speaker 1: diving game.
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Speaker 2: That's here's the ball I practice. I'm pulling on the ball.
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Speaker 2: These are not.
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Speaker 1: Very physical practices, but that's you know, that's the bike design.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think certain the times I saw people going through
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Speaker 3: the ground is when a receiver or dB is making
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Speaker 3: the play on the ball. Yeah, and that's just you know,
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Speaker 3: you're you're expending yourself and I mean you're trying to
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Speaker 3: do what you can to make the play. Other than that,
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Speaker 3: even when they're in uh scrimmaging once they catch the ball,
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Speaker 3: they're plowing. What's like, Yeah, we're trying to just install
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Speaker 3: these plays. We're not looking to we're not really looking
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Speaker 3: for the yet, right, now we don't run on eighty
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Speaker 3: yards after the catch. We just need to play executed
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Speaker 3: in our next player because the more you're running around
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Speaker 3: after the ball gets caught, well, now you're now we
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Speaker 3: can't run another play because you've just been running around.
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Speaker 3: So like when they're when they're just trying to get
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Speaker 3: this install stuff done, they're just trying to get done safely,
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Speaker 3: quickly and then move on to the next thing with
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Speaker 3: everybody else.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and and you'll quarterbacks. I remember there's a
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Speaker 2: play with Tavia.
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Speaker 1: And Saint Clair kind of took off out of pocket
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Speaker 1: and runs and before anyone got within three yards of.
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Speaker 2: Their blowing again. They don't want anyone.
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Speaker 1: Even forgetting where they are and bumping into someone. So
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Speaker 1: that's sort of yeah, that's sort of the Edward Houston
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Speaker 1: situation as we know it right now. We will obviously
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Speaker 1: continue to follow us and hopefully have an update for
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Speaker 1: you later today. We will be talking to Matt Patricia
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Speaker 1: and Brian Hartline again on Friday, so we'll maybe have
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Speaker 1: more information. So that moved you from hey, they're trying
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Speaker 1: to not have guys run down the field to you know,
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Speaker 1: to extend plays that kind of stuff. Part of that
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Speaker 1: is they're trying to get as many reps as they
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Speaker 1: can during these practices because right now you're trying to
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Speaker 1: get everyone reps. And one thing that we've seen them
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Speaker 1: do last spring maybe get the last fall was split
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Speaker 1: the field where you have two offenses, two defenses, where
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Speaker 1: they're kind of mixing and matching position groups, and the
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Speaker 1: whole point is you're getting twice the reps.
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Speaker 4: And Ryan Day said they can get forty eight reps
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Speaker 4: for twenty four times too in one practice period you
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Speaker 4: have five minute practice, or you can get forty eight reps.
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Speaker 2: That is incretical back and opening different and as much
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Speaker 2: football as you toss a big hand into.
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Speaker 3: As small period as Yeah, one of the things I
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Speaker 3: like about this clip fields is that you'll watch watch
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Speaker 3: it over here and then over there they're they're gonna
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Speaker 3: do the same exact play, so you'll and they're not
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Speaker 3: generally going at the same time, but usually there's like
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Speaker 3: just because it doesn't match up that way. So you'll
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Speaker 3: watch them over here and you know what to watch
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Speaker 3: for over here because it's gonna be the same exact
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Speaker 3: play and you can see how this quarterback handled it
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Speaker 3: compared to back quarterback. I have this running back, you
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Speaker 3: will handle the screen compared with that running back. The
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Speaker 3: problem is is that on this field you've got the
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Speaker 3: number one center and the number one left tack and
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Speaker 3: the number one right tackle, and the number two left
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Speaker 3: guard and the number two right guard, and it's it's
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Speaker 3: switched over there. And you know Carnel Tait is the
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Speaker 3: loan one on this side, and you got Jeremy Smith
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Speaker 3: and Brandon Innis and you know Mylon Graham on the
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Speaker 3: other side. So it's it's complete mix and match on
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Speaker 3: we'll put together the first team. It's like, I know
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Speaker 3: what the first team is based on how spring ended,
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Speaker 3: more than what we saw here. Like nothing is nothing
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Speaker 3: has changed my mind on who the ones ever because
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Speaker 3: everything is pretty much known, and I would say there's
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Speaker 3: there's nothing in terms of, oh this this offensive lineman
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Speaker 3: or this receiver or this running back, like it's all
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Speaker 3: the same, and the quarterbacks were all just you know,
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Speaker 3: it's Julian's saying, and it's like, you know, it's they're
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Speaker 3: one and one right.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, You've got you've got half of the ones
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Speaker 2: on one field, half of the ones on the other.
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Speaker 2: There was a point offensively too. Yeah, oh defensively.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. At one point, you know, you're looking and is
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Speaker 1: Caleb Downs out there with Joining McClean or with Malie Carford,
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Speaker 1: Just like, no, he's out there with Leroy Roker, and like, OK, what.
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Speaker 2: Does that mean? It means they're shuffling guys around.
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Speaker 1: And the only thing that I really took away was,
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Speaker 1: you know, we there was someone who had sort of heard, hey,
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Speaker 1: maybe Ethan Oneon was going to be moving to right tackle,
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Speaker 1: and they're going to look at Austin Sereveld at left tackle.
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Speaker 2: Every time I saw.
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Speaker 1: Ethan Oneon, like he was at left tackle, Austin Seerveld
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Speaker 1: was at right tackle. So I am very reticent to
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Speaker 1: take any big takeaways from where who guys were working
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Speaker 1: with or this guy was with this guy but not
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Speaker 1: with that guy. I don't I don't think I have
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Speaker 1: moved anyone on my depth chart or position projections. But
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Speaker 1: we saw, you know, a lot of Luke Montgomery at
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Speaker 1: left tackle, a lot of Tager Shabol at right tackle,
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Speaker 1: a lot of Ethan Onion and what left tackle, a
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Speaker 1: lot of Boston Cerevil at right tackle, and then Carson
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Speaker 1: Heinzman at center. That's kind of what I would sort
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Speaker 1: of project as you were starters. I didn't see anything
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Speaker 1: to change me from that that thought process today.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I still left guard is Luke Montgomery and
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Speaker 3: right guard is Teker Swollow. What we did see is
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Speaker 3: they want the offensive lineman to have a secondary position.
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Speaker 3: We saw Luke Montgomery at center. We saw Josh Berdia
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Speaker 3: at left guard, and that instance where you know, Josh
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Speaker 3: Paddia is probably your backup center, but they had they
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Speaker 3: had Luke Montgomery running it for a bit and then
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Speaker 3: you know Padia needs that secondary position, so he was
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Speaker 3: at left guard. Ian Moore was looking fine at left
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Speaker 3: tackle and with the I guess we would call him
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Speaker 3: the twos and then I still you know that the
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Speaker 3: right tackle situation, they'll they'll figure that out. But I
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Speaker 3: think if the number three tackle, whoever, like whatever position,
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Speaker 3: it's it's Ian Moore.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that was pretty clear to me
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Speaker 1: that that's sort of where he is. And then you've
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Speaker 1: got guys like Philip Daniels, a transfer from Minnesota. I
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Speaker 1: think you could potentially see Luke Montgomery being your right
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Speaker 1: tackle and then your second best. You know, if he's
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Speaker 1: you know, if you have to replace both tackles. If
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Speaker 1: Ian Moore comes in at left tackle, and then m
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Speaker 1: Montgomery's your fourth tackle and he goes and has to
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Speaker 1: play right tackle, then you do see Josh patty in
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Speaker 1: at left guard or Josh Padda at center and Carson
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Speaker 1: Hinsman at left guard. You know, this is all stuff
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Speaker 1: that they're probably still figuring out because they have to
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Speaker 1: have a you know, you've got your plan a offensive line.
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Speaker 1: You got to have a plan B for if this
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Speaker 1: guy gets hurt, if that guy gets hurt, if that
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Speaker 1: guy gets.
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Speaker 2: Hurt, and then you know, we I don't know how.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what plan they got down to last year,
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Speaker 1: but it was it was plan a bunch because you
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Speaker 1: lost Josh Simmons, you lost you lost Seth McLaughlan, and
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Speaker 1: they had to do a whole bunch of shuffling to
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Speaker 1: sort of make the pieces fit.
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Speaker 2: So they eventually landed on a plan that worked just fine.
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Speaker 1: But this is the time of year where you're sort
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Speaker 1: of figuring out, Okay, if.
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Speaker 2: You know, we use to choose.
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Speaker 1: You're an adventure thing all the time, right, if if
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Speaker 1: this guy gets hurt turned to page fourteen.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and I think their plan c worked better
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Speaker 3: than their plan B last year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with going with Donovan.
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Speaker 3: Jackson over over once. Then Mahowski got hurt. But the
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Speaker 3: thing that I like about this offensive line is it
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Speaker 3: is incredibly versatile, so they can do They're not hamstrung
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Speaker 3: by anything in terms of anything. You know, they've got
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Speaker 3: some options should things happen and they you know, somebody
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Speaker 3: goes down and it's like, okay, well, let's weigh our
15:02
Speaker 3: three options. Because I think for most situations they have that.
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Speaker 3: You know, they have some good versatility and gives them
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Speaker 3: some freedom of let's talk these out. Let's let's put
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Speaker 3: it in practice and see how it goes. Now, we
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Speaker 3: probably shouldn't be talking about that, but the offensive line
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Speaker 3: is deep and versatile.
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Speaker 1: Let's just say that, all right, So we've made people
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Speaker 1: wait long enough, Tony, Let's talk about the quarterbacks. You
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Speaker 1: saw a mishmash of this guy's with that group and
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Speaker 1: this guy's with that wide receiver, and you know, both
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks got to throw to Jeremiah Smith. Safe to say
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Speaker 1: that wherever Jeremiah Smith is is probably we're gonna call
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Speaker 1: that the ones. Even if no one else on there
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Speaker 1: was the ones. Jeremiah Smith is the ones at the
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Speaker 1: start of practice, they're just taking snaps from the centers
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Speaker 1: and just working on a play action fake and then
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Speaker 1: dropping back and then getting ready to throw. And Julian
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Speaker 1: Sayin was taking snaps from Carson Hensman, which is the one.
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Speaker 2: So there you go.
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Speaker 1: That's the closest we got to a definitive who's ahead
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Speaker 1: right now? Any big takeaways because Ryan Day did not
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Speaker 1: seem to have any big takeaways from day one with
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if the head coach isn't gonna stick
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Speaker 3: his neck out there, But I thought, you know, what
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Speaker 3: I saw from Lincoln today was good. He made some
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Speaker 3: nice throws. There wasn't There's a lot of checkdowns today,
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Speaker 3: which again you've got mixed offensive line, you're probably gonna
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Speaker 3: have some checkdowns, you know. Tavian Saint Clair didn't get
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Speaker 3: to see him do much other than the run around
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Speaker 3: and look look like I'm being chased here.
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Speaker 2: Looked like he was behind the thirteen offensive line a lot.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and then when we came inside, we had a
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Speaker 3: pretty good advantage point of Lincoln Keynolts down there, but
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Speaker 3: there's about five buck guys right in our line of
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Speaker 3: vision for the Julian saying offense. So I didn't get
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Speaker 3: to see too much of him down there. I would
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Speaker 3: like to maybe make a point to watch more, Julian
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Speaker 3: saying on Friday's practice, But I liked what I saw
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Speaker 3: from Lincoln. He again we talked about about in the spring,
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Speaker 3: who's lining up in terms of the work, the the
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Speaker 3: the worm ups in the front row. Both quarterbacks are
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Speaker 3: in the front row. Yeah, so that's just that's what
17:09
Speaker 3: you would hope for.
17:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Well, and Ryan Day has talked over and
17:12
Speaker 1: over about sort of the I don't know if it's
17:14
Speaker 1: even really the soft factor. It's like, yeah, you've got
17:16
Speaker 1: the can you make the throws kind of piece of it,
17:19
Speaker 1: but there's also just the team leadership piece and are
17:22
Speaker 1: you do you have command of the huddle and all
17:24
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's it's the you know, the
17:28
Speaker 1: stuff that's beyond the things that you necessarily just while
17:32
Speaker 1: you're watching highlights might pick up on.
17:34
Speaker 2: But a lot of that stuff ends up factoring into
17:37
Speaker 2: this decision.
17:37
Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of the hard stuff to judge
17:41
Speaker 1: even watching practice. You know, but what kind of command
17:45
Speaker 1: does he have of the huddle from thirty yards away
17:48
Speaker 1: facing the other direction, and you know who has who
17:52
Speaker 1: has the faith of.
17:53
Speaker 2: The locker room right now?
17:54
Speaker 1: And I think physically in terms of making the throw
18:00
Speaker 1: was and that kind of stuff, I think they're both
18:01
Speaker 1: kind of not quite to where Ryan Day typically wants
18:05
Speaker 1: the bar to be. You have to clear this bar
18:07
Speaker 1: to get to get the job.
18:10
Speaker 3: He was.
18:10
Speaker 1: He's been asked a bunch of times, you know, when
18:12
Speaker 1: do you want to have this decision? And it was
18:14
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, we'd like to have a quarterback
18:15
Speaker 1: before the start of the first game.
18:17
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I bet you would.
18:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are words you never really want to hear,
18:21
Speaker 3: Like before the Texas game, I would like to know
18:24
Speaker 3: who our starting quarterback is.
18:26
Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna have one one way or the other,
18:28
Speaker 1: unless you unless you come out without a without a
18:30
Speaker 1: quarterback for the first.
18:30
Speaker 3: Play James People's in the Wildcat the when we get
18:36
Speaker 3: to finally see more of the quarterbacks and you know,
18:39
Speaker 3: we day one, how how you know on point do
18:42
Speaker 3: you expect them to be? And then you know, as
18:44
Speaker 3: we're watching, like somebody can make a nice throw, but
18:48
Speaker 3: it might be a second or third read where he
18:50
Speaker 3: didn't stay long enough on the first read that was going.
18:53
Speaker 3: That was that was there, you know, so like it
18:55
Speaker 3: may look good to us when they get there and
18:57
Speaker 3: they watch it, Ryan Ryan and Bryan Line and Billy Fesser,
19:01
Speaker 3: like why didn't you stay with you? Number one? It
19:04
Speaker 3: was there? It's like, oh, you know, so you can
19:06
Speaker 3: play the pass, but it's a minus player rather than
19:08
Speaker 3: a plus. And so they're all of those things that
19:11
Speaker 3: we're watching. We don't know where the ball is necessarily
19:13
Speaker 3: supposed to go on that first or you know, the
19:15
Speaker 3: first raid or the second read, and how quickly they're
19:17
Speaker 3: getting are they just immediately going to a dump off,
19:20
Speaker 3: like yeah, you picked up a first down, but how'd
19:22
Speaker 3: you do it? It's not the way we wanted you
19:23
Speaker 3: to do it. So like they've got to build up
19:27
Speaker 3: that not necessarily the courage the patients to stay in
19:30
Speaker 3: there when it's a mix and match offensive line.
19:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think that's an important part of
19:37
Speaker 1: this whole understanding the whole situation is how often do
19:42
Speaker 1: we talk about, you know, you've got to work next
19:43
Speaker 1: to these guys and gill together and as an offensive line,
19:46
Speaker 1: if you're shuffling people in and out, you don't have
19:49
Speaker 1: any of that. And this is you know, these are
19:51
Speaker 1: offensive linemen who have probably been working together. You know,
19:54
Speaker 1: there are rules where they can come out and work together,
19:56
Speaker 1: but you can't have the ball if the coaches are
19:57
Speaker 1: out there and all that kind of stuff. So they've
20:00
Speaker 1: probably been working together in these various different combinations, but
20:03
Speaker 1: they probably also don't have you know, the ones have
20:06
Speaker 1: probably worked together, or the presumptive ones have probably worked
20:08
Speaker 1: together a lot more than the one here and the
20:11
Speaker 1: two here, and the one here and the two there
20:13
Speaker 1: that you're just you're going to get a little bit
20:16
Speaker 1: of a disorganized not not a mess, but it's gonna
20:18
Speaker 1: be a little disorganized.
20:19
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a.
20:20
Speaker 1: Little wonky where your defensive line is. Probably it's probably
20:26
Speaker 1: a lot less important for the defensive line to have
20:29
Speaker 1: that continuity than it is the offensive line.
20:32
Speaker 2: Which you go back to the start of spring.
20:34
Speaker 1: Ball, which side of the ball is always but always
20:36
Speaker 1: in front at the beginning of spring ball, it's always
20:38
Speaker 1: the defense. It feels like that's probably gonna be the
20:41
Speaker 1: case to a certain degree this fall as well.
20:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, and another point, with the quarterbacks, they're also starting
20:45
Speaker 3: to mix mixed matt mix and match receivers. The one
20:49
Speaker 3: guy has Jeremiah Smith and the other guy has David Adolf.
20:51
Speaker 3: No offense to David Adolph, but you know, like that.
20:54
Speaker 1: Think David Adolf would probably tell you he's not Jeremiah Smith.
20:56
Speaker 3: Right, And even you know Quincy Porter compared to Jeremiah Smith,
21:00
Speaker 3: you're dealing with with that, nobody gets all of the
21:03
Speaker 3: ones you get. You know, it's like you split the
21:05
Speaker 3: baby a little bit. This guy gets the better half
21:09
Speaker 3: of the baby and being JERRYM. Smith. But that's also
21:13
Speaker 3: what they're dealing with. And so yeah, it's it's not
21:15
Speaker 3: an ideal situation for the quarterbacks. But again, Ryan Day
21:19
Speaker 3: doesn't want ideal situations for his quarterbacks. He wants them
21:22
Speaker 3: to be in situations that are uncomfortable because whoever handles
21:25
Speaker 3: the uncomfortableness of it best is going to win the job.
21:28
Speaker 3: So yeah, oh, I'm so sorry about your your Gabe
21:32
Speaker 3: Van Sickle at right guard like he's he's in the
21:35
Speaker 3: too deep. You may have to play with them against
21:37
Speaker 3: Texas in the fourth quarter. Deal with it. That's your
21:40
Speaker 3: job as a quarterback. You have to deal with all
21:43
Speaker 3: of these factors that if you wanted to be in control,
21:46
Speaker 3: go play a video game, Go play inner Murals brother.
21:49
Speaker 1: Go play Inner Murals brother, shout out Dan Hawkins. It
21:52
Speaker 1: is definitely a position where you don't get judged by
21:56
Speaker 1: how you do when everything's going great, like you can
21:58
Speaker 1: you know, CJ.
21:59
Speaker 2: Stroud was great in the first half.
22:02
Speaker 1: Of the Michigan State game in twenty twenty one, right,
22:04
Speaker 1: but everything was going perfectly. That's you know, and everyone
22:08
Speaker 1: remembers it and it's like, wow, that was fun. You
22:10
Speaker 1: get judged, though, by when you're in the Rose Bowl
22:13
Speaker 1: a month and a half later and you're down seventeen
22:16
Speaker 1: points in the first half or whatever. It is, Okay, now,
22:19
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You're on the road at Penn
22:21
Speaker 1: State in twenty twenty what two and you're down with
22:25
Speaker 1: the you know you're down and there's seven minutes left
22:27
Speaker 1: in the game.
22:28
Speaker 2: Can you drive them?
22:29
Speaker 1: You know, you are judged as a quarterback by how
22:31
Speaker 1: you deal with adversity, not by well, everything's great.
22:35
Speaker 2: All the wide receivers are umant. There are a lot of.
22:37
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks who could make, you know, functionally make the throws
22:40
Speaker 1: that are you're making in you know, in shorts at
22:42
Speaker 1: the NFL combine, you have to You get judged by
22:46
Speaker 1: what you can do when the adversity is out there,
22:48
Speaker 1: and they are trying to put them in as in
22:51
Speaker 1: as adverse a situation as they can.
22:53
Speaker 2: That's gonna be true practice.
22:55
Speaker 1: You can only put them in such, you know, so
22:57
Speaker 1: adverse a situation if you're not going to be hitting
22:59
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You know, you're playing mostly seven on seven.
23:02
Speaker 1: But man, you got a scrimmage coming up in like
23:04
Speaker 1: a week probably, so you're you're looking at you at
23:08
Speaker 1: when they are in the stadium and when when the
23:11
Speaker 1: you know, the lights aren't probably going to be on
23:12
Speaker 1: because there'll be a day scrimmage, but you know, when
23:14
Speaker 1: when you're in the stadium and they're throwing stuff at you,
23:18
Speaker 1: you're not this is not like the last time you
23:19
Speaker 1: were in the stadium and they're running two defenses. You're
23:21
Speaker 1: you're going to get challenged, and that's that's when you're
23:24
Speaker 1: going to find out who who the real QB one is.
23:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, and right, they said quarterbacks make their money on
23:29
Speaker 3: third down, red zone and two minutes, and so that's
23:33
Speaker 3: how that's another way they will be judged. If if
23:36
Speaker 3: you're the quarterback that moves the ball to the twenty
23:38
Speaker 3: but can't get it in there, like how frustrating. Have
23:41
Speaker 3: we seen it get over the years where you got
23:44
Speaker 3: the red zone quarterback come in? You know, it's hell,
23:46
Speaker 3: things like that's that's no solution. So you want the
23:49
Speaker 3: quarterback that can finish in the red zone just as
23:52
Speaker 3: well as they do on third downs and and and
23:54
Speaker 3: you know those situations in two minutes of course. So
23:57
Speaker 3: that's that's another area where and they don't need to
24:00
Speaker 3: like go towards the end of practice and wait for
24:02
Speaker 3: two minutes like they will put you in two minutes
24:04
Speaker 3: to start things like hey, we're in two minutes right now.
24:06
Speaker 3: We gotta go, we gotta go. And it's like, all right,
24:08
Speaker 3: let's let's see who operates best. And again NA keep
24:12
Speaker 3: track of absolutely everything.
24:15
Speaker 4: Yep.
24:15
Speaker 1: So now from quarterbacks to wide receivers, we you know,
24:21
Speaker 1: you don't have firm conclusions on anyone, but it does
24:25
Speaker 1: feel like I watched Milon Graham and I thought, you know,
24:28
Speaker 1: the limited amount that we got to watch Milon Graham,
24:30
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, he really didn't play much
24:34
Speaker 1: last year because when he got to Ohio State, but
24:38
Speaker 1: you know, if Milon Graham was going to take that
24:40
Speaker 1: next step this year, I feel like it was like, yeah,
24:43
Speaker 1: that's about what that would look like.
24:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, it continues to be like that. And Ryan Day
24:48
Speaker 3: said that, you know, he does foresee a rotation. That's
24:51
Speaker 3: that's the goal of sorts, and he would be have
24:55
Speaker 3: to be a key part of that because he continues
24:56
Speaker 3: to look like he belongs. I did, Actually he did
24:59
Speaker 3: drop up today. Is kind of a rough throw in
25:01
Speaker 3: the flats as he's running kind of a screen. And
25:05
Speaker 3: I think that's the first pass I've seen him drop
25:07
Speaker 3: this year, going back to the spring. But he's been
25:09
Speaker 3: outstanding every time we've seen him. And he looks like
25:12
Speaker 3: if you're just popping in. It's like, I bet that
25:15
Speaker 3: guy's a starter.
25:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so well, I bet that guy would be
25:18
Speaker 1: a starter for about one hundred and twenty eighteen.
25:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, doing very well.
25:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't you know, this is if he's
25:24
Speaker 1: not a starter in Columbus and I'm not expecting him
25:27
Speaker 1: to be, that tells me a lot more about the
25:29
Speaker 1: other guys in that room than him. And you know,
25:32
Speaker 1: Bryson Rodgers is certainly in that conversation as well. This
25:36
Speaker 1: is not going to be a year where they've got
25:38
Speaker 1: only three wide receivers and you're just going to see
25:40
Speaker 1: the three wide receivers. There have been years where it's like, yeah,
25:42
Speaker 1: the depth is just not what it has been.
25:44
Speaker 2: This year, the depth is what it has been. And
25:47
Speaker 2: you know, you're.
25:48
Speaker 1: Looking at Quincy Porter was very impressive in the spring,
25:50
Speaker 1: and Quincy Porter's maybe the sixth guy right now, maybe,
25:54
Speaker 1: and they don't necessarily play six guys, so you know,
25:58
Speaker 1: he's gonna play obviously against Graam Blame in Ohio and
26:00
Speaker 1: teams like that, but I we'll see he has you know,
26:04
Speaker 1: there's a long way to go. This is the first
26:06
Speaker 1: practice of fall and he you know, he didn't.
26:07
Speaker 2: It wasn't like he looked bad.
26:09
Speaker 1: It's just it's like, boys, there's a lot of very
26:11
Speaker 1: talented veteran guys ahead of you. That's going to be
26:13
Speaker 1: a challenge for anyone to get on the field at
26:14
Speaker 1: that point.
26:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, he looked really good in the spring.
26:18
Speaker 3: He as you said, he's maybe that number two X
26:21
Speaker 3: behind Jeremiah Smith.
26:23
Speaker 2: But how often are you gonna pull Jeremia Smith off
26:25
Speaker 2: the front?
26:25
Speaker 3: And the other thing is they're going to play sixty
26:27
Speaker 3: five snaps a game offensively, trying to limit things so
26:31
Speaker 3: that they can stretch the season out. And and not
26:33
Speaker 3: be worn down. We know they're gonna play some two
26:35
Speaker 3: tight ends, so like that's going to limit the number
26:38
Speaker 3: of snaps for receivers as well. It's just the key
26:42
Speaker 3: is if something happens, is that guy ready, and I
26:45
Speaker 3: think that's what they're going to work towards it. And
26:47
Speaker 3: it may not. You may not see eight snaps a
26:50
Speaker 3: game for whomever. But if we need to play you
26:52
Speaker 3: twenty five, are you ready? Yep?
26:54
Speaker 2: Exactly.
26:55
Speaker 1: Anything else that you really stood out to you during
26:58
Speaker 1: the course of practice.
26:59
Speaker 3: Number one CJ. Hicks looks like a defensive end. Yeah,
27:02
Speaker 3: he's probably two forty five ish right now, and he
27:05
Speaker 3: looks considerably bigger, So I think that's good.
27:10
Speaker 2: Wackinson at him.
27:13
Speaker 3: He certainly looks tall. Speaking Git tall, yep. Jordan Woods, Yeah,
27:17
Speaker 3: who I'm convinced can't possibly be a six or fourth corner.
27:21
Speaker 3: He was standing right next to us. Yeah, he looks
27:23
Speaker 3: six three and seven eight's you know, I'm not gonna
27:25
Speaker 3: say six four, But it was interesting to watch him
27:28
Speaker 3: and Bob Penn Miller both like six four ish going
27:31
Speaker 3: at it in practice today, So that that was interesting.
27:34
Speaker 3: And about IGB was coaching, He's coaching up Fahim de
27:38
Speaker 3: Layne on the sidelines. We saw him yell at Jordan
27:41
Speaker 3: Woods on one and he's like, hey, if you're gonna press,
27:43
Speaker 3: keep your hands on the guy. So it's been interesting
27:46
Speaker 3: to watch watch the seniors be seniors for the freshman.
27:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely, you definitely see the veterans taking on
27:54
Speaker 1: kind of a bigger leadership role because you know, you're
27:57
Speaker 1: looking around that practice field and it's like, Oh, there's
27:59
Speaker 1: Jack Short, Nope, that's not Jack's order.
28:00
Speaker 2: Wearing number thirty three.
28:01
Speaker 1: He's he's and if it is, he's lost a lot
28:04
Speaker 1: of lost a lot of height and weight. But yeah,
28:06
Speaker 1: you all these guys forty four. You see a Polynesian
28:11
Speaker 1: defensive end wearing number forty four with kind of long
28:13
Speaker 1: hair coming to the fact of his helmet. It's like, oh,
28:15
Speaker 1: there's j T Tweet. Nope, nope, he is, Uh he's
28:18
Speaker 1: playing on Sundays. Now there's at piece.
28:19
Speaker 2: At in La.
28:20
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I'll say he also looks bigger. And this
28:23
Speaker 3: is our first chance seeing him. But he was listed
28:24
Speaker 3: to you know, like two twenty five or whatever as
28:26
Speaker 3: a high schooler, and you see him it's kind of thin.
28:29
Speaker 3: In his highlights he looks. He looks pretty legit to
28:32
Speaker 3: me in terms of size lizes.
28:33
Speaker 1: Now, yep, before we wrap up, I did want to
28:35
Speaker 1: make a special request to our good friend behind the camera.
28:38
Speaker 1: There is some new signage in here. We we have
28:41
Speaker 1: you know, we generally try and get your pictures and
28:43
Speaker 1: all kind of stuff. And I posted some pictures of
28:44
Speaker 1: this on Twitter earlier. But they have replaced what used
28:48
Speaker 1: to be just kind of like banners, like vinyl banners
28:50
Speaker 1: on the back wall with the national champions with it's
28:52
Speaker 1: like a fabric and it's backlit and much much bigger.
28:56
Speaker 1: And this is one of these things where you've got
28:59
Speaker 1: him all the way that wall, and I don't know
29:01
Speaker 1: if we can turn the camera. We're probably too close
29:03
Speaker 1: to the We're probably too close to the other wall
29:05
Speaker 1: to really get the banners on the other side. But
29:07
Speaker 1: this is one of these things where you can you
29:10
Speaker 1: can tell me whatever you want to tell me, but
29:12
Speaker 1: this is what you're showing me. You're showing me what
29:14
Speaker 1: is the standard here. And they used to have things
29:16
Speaker 1: up on the wall behind with He's gonna do his
29:20
Speaker 1: very best tip of it is way behind it. There
29:24
Speaker 1: is the new thing they used to have banners up
29:26
Speaker 1: there with here's the peach Ball appearances, Here's the Fiesta
29:29
Speaker 1: Bowl appearances. The standard is the standard right now, and
29:32
Speaker 1: the standard sure looks like it's make the college football
29:34
Speaker 1: playoff and win a national championship. You don't, you know,
29:36
Speaker 1: you go to lots of schools where they have the
29:38
Speaker 1: big ten champions on hips on the wall they have
29:41
Speaker 1: you know, Northwestern at Old Ryan Field had the Big
29:44
Speaker 1: ten championships. They had the All Americans. You know, that
29:48
Speaker 1: was on the facing of the upper deck at the stadium.
29:50
Speaker 1: The facing on the upper deck at the stadium in
29:52
Speaker 1: Ohio state is national championships and retired numbers, which is
29:55
Speaker 1: basically Heisman winners and a couple other rare exceptions.
29:59
Speaker 2: The standard.
30:00
Speaker 1: You know, this tells me, you know, before it was
30:04
Speaker 1: they had the Alabama Sugar Bowl and the Clemson Sugar
30:08
Speaker 1: Bowl up there, and then that got replaced after last
30:11
Speaker 1: season with photos from the Rose Bowl and photos from
30:14
Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl and photos of the National championship game.
30:18
Speaker 1: Now this is sort of the you know, the messaging
30:21
Speaker 1: is all just it's a little bit telling to me
30:24
Speaker 1: about you know, they can they can tell you here's
30:26
Speaker 1: the standard, here's this is This is them communicating to you.
30:30
Speaker 1: It used to you know, it used to be, well,
30:31
Speaker 1: we're recruiting against the Alabama and Clemson. Now it's the
30:34
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff and National championship. So that's that's what
30:38
Speaker 1: success is, how success is measured.
30:39
Speaker 3: Well, and Final four banners have been hung forever unless
30:43
Speaker 3: they get taken down because of you know, let's say
30:45
Speaker 3: a scandal. But this is what that is. And then
30:48
Speaker 3: I will point out that there is a vacant area
30:52
Speaker 3: right next to that twenty twenty four with room for
30:55
Speaker 3: the next banner that Brian Day said he want to
30:58
Speaker 3: be the first highest team. They want to be the
31:00
Speaker 3: first st A team to win back to back NASA championships.
31:03
Speaker 3: I don't think he said repeat or like defend like.
31:05
Speaker 2: Yeah he didn't. I cannot say defend.
31:09
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And there are you know, as you as
31:11
Speaker 1: you saw, there's broom for two more College Football Playoff
31:14
Speaker 1: appearances on that banner up there as well.
31:16
Speaker 2: So just I just thought that was sort of interesting.
31:18
Speaker 1: And this is, you know, one of these little things
31:20
Speaker 1: we get to see inside the building. I thought you
31:22
Speaker 1: guys might enjoy seeing as well. So all right, so
31:25
Speaker 1: I think that will do it. I think we can
31:26
Speaker 1: wrap things up. We will be back here on Friday
31:29
Speaker 1: for another practice number two and we'll have get a
31:32
Speaker 1: chance to talk to Brian Hartline and Matt Patricia and
31:35
Speaker 1: then a whole bunch of receivers as well, so that'll
31:38
Speaker 1: be good. Get a chance to talk to a bunch
31:39
Speaker 1: of players. I'm doing that on the indoor, and then
31:41
Speaker 1: we'll have another sort of recap show like this. We'll
31:44
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31:46
Speaker 1: also the photos for you, have a full practice report.
31:48
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31:50
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31:52
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31:54
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31:58
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31:59
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32:02
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32:06
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32:10
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32:11
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32:13
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32:14
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32:17
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32:19
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