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Double Feature · Brainwaves

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of two shot
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Tuesday. Barry Nixon along with the one
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and only Jason Riley. And of course, one of our
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favorites of all time, Rob Pete's The Movie Guy is back to
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discuss not one but two movies. And we're going to get into wow
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back rooms and the newest offering from Steven Spielberg,
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Disclosure Day, Rob. Little indie director?
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Yep, it's good to be back. Spielberg Hey.
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OK, Got it. Yeah.
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Yeah, never. Yeah, he's fairly new, Fairly
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new. But we'll, you know, we'll see.
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We'll see. Yeah.
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OK. Well, what are you saying?
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We kick us off Jay, with the shots for the evening.
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Why don't you get us going there?
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Yeah, I have got in honor of two movies, I've put 2 great things
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together, Kool-aid and Water together in one glass.
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Orange. Flavored Barry, what have you
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got? Well, I'm actually having some
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alcohol tonight, Jay, so I'm going with the Bushmills 12
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year. Nice.
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Yeah, Robert. Yeah, I'm drinking glass of just
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pure, unadulterated. It's vodka.
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Nice. It's just pure vodka.
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It's all it's going down. I love it.
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I like that Mad Men style glass as well.
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Or Tumblr. That's a that's a good looking
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Tumblr right there. That's a Tumblr.
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Cheers. Cheers, Chin.
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Chin. Mercy All right, let's start
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with back rooms. Rob.
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This was one we saw at the time, this recording probably 2 or so
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weeks ago, we saw because it was getting getting great reviews.
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People were talking about it. It wasn't a bit of a phenomenon.
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Yeah. Rob, you, you know, a little bit
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more about the background of this person who kind of came out
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of nowhere and then suddenly a 24 gave him a motion picture of
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his own. So why do you take it from
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there? Yeah, it's a guy named Kane
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Parsons who went on on YouTube. He's named Kane Pixels.
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So he's a, he was like a 16 year old guy who was, you know,
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interested in, in using Blender to create 3D places and stuff.
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And I think he was kind of like inspired by reading about this
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lore of the backrooms in, in places like 4 Chan and corners
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of the Internet where, you know, things happen, people talk about
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weird stuff. Creepypastas come to be.
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Yes, exactly. Creepypastas, yeah.
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No, Jay, never say that cat. Yeah, you're, you're a, you're a
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boomer for, for love, love. Yeah, Boomer for love.
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OK, so backrooms 3D art. What?
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No, Yeah. So he basically just was
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inspired by this kind of like Internet based lore about these
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like office spaces that are empty but they just keep going
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forever. Like you basically like you
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would, you would kind of walk through your wall and end up in
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this whole place. You'd fall into your wall or
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fall through. When that happens, yeah, at the
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office that would happen. You're basically it's called no
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clipping. It's it's like in the old the
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old video games, you would you could no clip yourself through
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walls. So it's kind of what that is OK.
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And yeah, So what we're learning today, we're learning.
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I'm gonna go. I've never heard of no clipping
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but. I'm gonna go a little slower,
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yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Please do. Yeah.
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So basically we're basically yeah, but yeah.
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There's this isn't really a game thing, this is just lore and it
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includes game like stuff in it. But anyway, the idea is he ended
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up it's general lore. Yeah, OK, got it.
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There's nothing really in the back rooms except for the rooms
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themselves, unless you explore there might be.
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Now video games have been made of the back rooms in which they
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put creatures in. But Kane Pixels or Kane Parsons,
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what he ended up doing at 1617 years old was creating these
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incredibly realistic looking 3D environments and then attaching
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almost like a like a old fashioned video camera to the,
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to the camera section. So it looks like it's first
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person perspective. It actually looks like you're in
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these real, like they look, everything looks real in the so
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it kind of in in his short movies that he did for you 2 got
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it. OK.
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And this is as a as a teenager and he he was just killing it
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and making these amazing cool videos.
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And I think AA24 saw that and they, they were quite popular.
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I'd watch them ages ago. I thought they were great.
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And I was like, this guy should be doing other things.
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But so they gave him a a deal. You just make a backrooms movie.
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Yeah. Well, I told yeah, it's all
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Yeah, it's all yeah. So he did a movie based on that,
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and they actually built sets this time.
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It wasn't all CG. It was all real sets and.
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You said it was a 30,000 square foot set, in fact, and
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apparently some of the actors did become lost at points during
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the shooting because it was just such a massive real set, like
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Rob said, 30,000 square foot. So that's pretty big.
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Nice. Yeah.
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And it's it's kind of a oppressive because you're in
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this place. It just never ends.
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But anyways, it's a fascinating sort of like Internet lore thing
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that that has become an interesting movie.
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And the movie doesn't you know, you think, what are you going to
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do with that movie except for walk around the back rooms and
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kind of be surprised when things are around the potentially
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around the corner? Well, they ended up adding a
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story to it and giving, giving it a little bit of AI would say,
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like the, the main theme is, is sort of not being able to let go
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of, of trauma that's happened to you and how that translates.
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So basically the, the, the, the main guy in the movie is I
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believe his wife has left him and, and all that.
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So he kind of runs this furniture store on his own and
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it's, he's not really happy where he is.
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He thinks he's OK, but he's actually not.
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And the backrooms kind of reflect that.
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He falls and he clips into the back rooms through the basement
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of of his furniture shop. Does he go to the backroom to
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get stock for somebody? Like is there a reason for him
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to go? I'll be in the back and he goes
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to get like a a lamp. So it's not the actual, not.
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Even then, OK. Of the office.
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You wish you it was. It would be so much easier to
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follow Jay if it were like that. I Oh, just one more thing.
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This furniture store is like a bad boy furniture.
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OK, This is the discount furniture top shop.
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This isn't some place you go in and you you're looking at an
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armoire and someone's offering you some champagne.
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No, it's not like that at all. It's like everything is slashed.
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This is 50% off. That's 70% off.
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And it's in the back. That's what I would think I
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would go to. The there's nothing's in the
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back. It's in the basement.
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It's in the. Basement in the basement.
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He flips through the wall in the basement.
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Yeah. And, and and he just discovers
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this whole area and kind of is able to report that to he.
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He talks to someone, I guess his therapist basically tries to
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convince her it's a real thing. You know, she doesn't really
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believe my guest type thing. And it kind of the movie
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develops from there. It's a, it's a cool, very
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interesting kind of psychological thing with
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somebody horror stuff that happens as well.
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So for sure, if you like that kind of stuff, it's it's
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definitely worth checking into for sure.
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Barry, what do you think? Cuz I want to make sure we get
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to our second movie as well. So I want to hear your take on
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back rooms. Yeah, I thought it was
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interesting. I, unlike Rob, I had no context
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for this at all, Jay, other than what Rob had told me.
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I wasn't familiar with this kid, I didn't know anything about it,
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so I just kind of went in naked and I was happy that I did.
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Air conditioner, wear clothing? Yeah, I asked them.
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It was freezing in there, man. Yeah, we we sat in the seas that
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were right below the air conditioning.
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So we were. Yeah, it was a frightened turtle
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up front, but then, OK, doesn't the nip.
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Sore out. And that's the point of.
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It Oh they were glad cutting glass, Jay.
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OK. So at some point now, did they
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go in the backroom? I'm a little confused about
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that. There was an actual like did
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they go put through a curtain or through?
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Was it like a closing door? I think I.
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Think you're thinking when you're thinking back rooms, I
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think you're thinking of the back room of a building.
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That's not what this is. What is it?
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The back? The back.
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Room of an old video rental place where they keep the
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pornos. You know, behind the curtain.
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You're big. You're big on the pornos today.
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Yeah. I'm fixated.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this, this is about
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literally disappearing through a wall and reappearing on the
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other side in a series of connected corridors and rooms
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that look like an empty office space or an office space that
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has firm in it. But the furniture could be stuck
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to the wall, it can be on an angle in the floor.
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It's all. A big pile in the middle of the
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room. Back rooms?
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Why didn't you say so now? I thought I did.
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Maybe I'm, I don't know. Let's.
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Guess I need to work on on my English.
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Yeah, this thing is this things a hit.
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Let's get a star rating for both of you, Rob.
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Star rating on Backrooms. I'm giving it, I'm giving it a
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I'm going 4 out of five. I really enjoyed it.
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I think there's a lot of potential for for this guy, for
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this young guy to make better movies.
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And it was a good movie, so. Yeah, Barry.
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I would agree. Four out of five, I enjoyed it.
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It was a little more thinking that I typically like to do in a
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movie because it by the end of it, I wasn't entirely sure what
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I saw. But what I did see was
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interesting and there was some genuine scares, including, I
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don't want to give it away, but there's this one sequence where
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you you get Vertigo in the theater.
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It's just really wild. But all the while that you're
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worried about falling over, you got something chasing you on top
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of that. So that was that, got the heart
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going. Yeah, that's frustrating.
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When that happens, it's a whole. Yeah.
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So it's terrible. It's terrible.
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OK, all right, back rooms, go see it.
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Probably have already. It's been out for a little
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while. Check it out.
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It's great. Let's do shot #2 and then we're
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going to move on to our double of our second movie of our
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double feature that I haven't seen.
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It's always rewarding for me. Yeah.
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All right, Rob, what have you got for shot #2 to start us off?
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Well, I'm going back to what I said was vodka, but it's really
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just water. I'm, I'm a, I'm a wimp when it
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comes to this stuff these days. So it's I'm just drinking water.
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All right, Attaboy, Barry. I'm doing the opposite of being
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a wimp today. I'm going pull in with the booze
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and so that the J or the yeah, Bushmills.
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I almost got it wrong. Bushmills 12 year.
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All right. And I've got the lemon squeezy,
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not lemon squeezy, the Kool-aid orange drink squeezy with ice.
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Here's to you guys. Chin, chin so watery.
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So the next movie we saw, Disclosure Day, the latest from
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newcomer Steven Spielberg. And I had said to Rob on the
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walk over, I had read somewhere that people were saying this is
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his best work ever. I said that to Rob.
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I didn't even get the full sentence.
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Out he goes, fellow Opie. It's not really his best work.
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He can't be. It's like he's been around too
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long. He's got a ton of great work.
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Yeah. This might be one of the ones
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that this might be. I don't really, you know what
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I'm going to wait for Rob to to to say.
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But where does this sit among his sci-fi movies?
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Well, that's because this is very different than any of the
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other stuff that he's done. But Rob, take it away.
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Yeah, it's kind of a mix of it has elements of ET in it.
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Remember, you know, sort of like the, the sort of like the the
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unknown FBI type people that are chasing the, the kids and all
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that stuff. It has that element in it.
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But you actually kind of dive a little bit more into that and
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who those guys might be. Yeah.
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As well as a. Bit of like.
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Sorry, encounters. Ed Snowden.
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There's like an Ed Snowden kind of character that does like a
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yeah, stealing a bunch of files. He wants to release them to the
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general public. And there's a couple different
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stories going on in this. Yeah, and it did.
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It definitely reminded me a bit of close Encounters as well with
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the sort of the objective of the movie and I, I probably don't
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want to give away too much. There is definitely stuff to
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spoil, especially as you get closer to the end, but it's
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basically a guy, the Snowden type character who is working
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for a company and he has all these secrets and the secrets
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are basically a complete absolute evidence and proof of,
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of alien life having been around for about 50-60 years on Earth.
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And, and he he has teamed up with someone else who has gone
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rogue and they are planning to release that information, hence
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disclosure day. And then other things happen.
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Emily Blunt's character comes in and she she's a reporter that
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works in San Francisco, like a weather reporter, and she kind
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of gets pulled into it without knowing it that she's going to.
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She kind of has AI. Don't really want to spoil it
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too much because it's such a new movie, but yeah, there's there's
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like a. Visitor, there's a visitor comes
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to to see her and then after that everything changes for her,
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including she suddenly is able to speak Russian.
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So that's one thing. It was kind of nice.
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Yeah, she's able to dive into your history.
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She knows exactly, like she can kind of look at you and
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understand who you are and she'll look like, say, look, you
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know, you might want to, you know, maybe tonight's the night
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you put out the garbage because you haven't done it in a while.
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And you're, you know, you're, you're whatever your, your, your
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husband or your whatever is not going to be happy about that.
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So just she's able to like tune into the moment with a person
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and kind of like pull them apart.
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Not well, maybe 1. Of her skills.
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Probably in Russia, OK. Maybe in Russian, yeah.
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Yeah, if she was in Russia. Is this, if you can say, is this
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like a we've discovered aliens have crashed here, or is it like
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we've discovered aliens are living among us?
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Here, no, it's a, it's a crash thing.
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It's, it's Roswell. It's, they're not, it's all the,
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it's all the history we kind of know and we've seen, but they've
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added hooks into what if that was all real kind of thing.
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Yeah, what if it? Including like some pretty good
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looking video that looks like it was shot back in the day of
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like, you know, the Roswell crash and them working to
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retrieve the alien occupants. And you gotta get to see that.
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And it's it's good. But then also like towards the
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end of it, you're seeing some images that are pretty
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disturbing too. Like Rob, I think you've got a
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little, you got him a. Bit misty there yeah.
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Because it was it was it was kind of beautifully handled
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yeah, it was yeah. I mean, when you think about
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the, you know, when you know the context of why you're seeing
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this stuff and you realize that I see, I don't want to give it
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away. But when you realize the
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context, it ends up being kind of sad in a way.
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It's not, it's not a good thing. It's kind of a, it's a bad
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thing. What, what we've kind of done,
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right? So in in this fictional version
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of Earth. Right.
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Yeah, Or maybe full aliens. Who knows.
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I don't want to guess. You want to like ET like little
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ETS. Maybe not.
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Quite full aliens, but. Yeah, maybe not quite there, but
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like, maybe like close encounters, aliens or yeah.
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They're not. They're not trying to
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annihilate. It's not like Mars Attacks where
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they are clearly just trying to vaporize all in human life.
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It's not like that. There is another element too.
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That's kind of cool. Yeah.
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There's another element too, where there's like some psychic
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phenomenon where one of the characters that is trying to
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chase down this rogue as well as the Ed Stone character, because
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you know, obviously there's a faction that doesn't want this
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information ever to see the light of day.
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So this guy is has the ability then to just drop in.
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They call it drop it. Is it dropping in or dive in,
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dive in on somebody's mind. And so he's able to kind of
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like, appear in people's minds and, like, try to manipulate
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even their, like, hand gestures. And all.
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Kinds of stuff. Stuff.
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He has to. He has to but.
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It's very draining for him. And he has to have an alien
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object in in his hand to do that.
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And those those objects play a larger part in the grand story
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once you get there, but you don't know what they are
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originally. You just know that it's an alien
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object and he it's who who played that guy again, It was
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the the. Yeah, it's Colin 1st, and there
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were a couple times, it was more than once that Rob wanted to see
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the guy's head get exploded. You're like explode that guy's
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head because he's just not a good guy at all.
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He's like an absolute scumbag. And you want this guy to have
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his head blown out? Yeah.
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Does he? I don't know.
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You gotta go see the movie. Yeah, you gotta see the movie.
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Was this movie based on a book or is it an original story by
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Steven Spielberg or somebody that?
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Original David Keppen and and Spielberg, Yeah.
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OK, very cool. And they've done a lot of great.
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They've done a lot of great movies together.
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So you know, they've done some good scripts.
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Where would you put this Rob? On the And then I'll go to Barry
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for this and the kind of Barry was asking him in like how it
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ranks in Steven Spielberg's sci-fi movies.
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I'll even expand that to just Steven Spielberg films.
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Where would you put this? Yeah, it's, it's not going to be
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up at the top. It's mid, mid, mid.
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Pack but not bottom. It's not one of the lower ones.
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Sometimes they trend down there. Definitely not.
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Bottom They get older. Barry, how about yourself?
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Well, in terms of the, you know, where does it sit in his whole
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catalog? I agree with Rob.
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It's definitely not the top. I don't know who wrote it's this
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is Spielberg's best work. I don't know.
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I mean that that person maybe has never seen a Spielberg
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movie. Maybe because it's the first
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one. So I don't know, I mean, it
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looks, it looks great. It looks like a Spielberg movie.
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It's definitely very incredibly competent.
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It looks amazing. Oh, and also John Williams came
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out of retirement to score that. And I, I noticed it that that's
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absolutely John Williams. I'm like, I didn't know he did.
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He did the score for this. So that that that was cool.
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So the score was great. Everything was like what you
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would expect a modern version of a Steven Spielberg flick.
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It just didn't seem to have the kind of depth that, you know,
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even close Encounters had or something like that where
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you're, you're on a journey. This is definitely a journey.
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This is like a chase movie kind of thing, but I just don't think
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it had quite. And the ending was maybe a
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little divisive. I I didn't mind it.
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I understand the message, but I'm not going to say what the
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message is. But there's a message at the end
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and it. It's an important message, but
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don't understand why people. Yes, that's exactly what
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happens. Yeah.
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It's a big sign they'll do this. Everyone, all the entire cast
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break, break from like the roles, and they just put up a
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thing and don't litter. And that's litter.
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Yeah, don't. Litter in its place.
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And hate, yeah, that kind of stuff.
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I researched, I recently saw Steven Spielberg directing.
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He directed the first ever episode of the regular Colombo
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series. So I own that on DVD and it was
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really well done. Really.
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You could see, you could see brilliances of Steven Spielberg
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as he was very young and he had cut his break, but you could
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just see some cool stuff. So yeah, he did the. 1st but I
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wonder if that was I wonder if it was after or before Before
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Jaws. No duel.
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Duel is the duel was his first movie which was ATV movie.
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It was about a car that just a truck that just relentlessly
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chases. Well, this was 1969.
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I think he. Did this Columbia?
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OK, right. This was This was before
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dueling. OK, it's.
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Probably why he got duel. It's probably.
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Yeah, and then he did Jaws, just what he was after that.
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OK, let's get star rating on this one.
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Let's start with you, Barry. I want to hear your star rating
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on this. Yeah, I enjoyed it at the
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runtime, though was a little bloated at 2:30.
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Yeah. So I feel like it maybe could
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have done a little bit more time in the editing room, maybe 10
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minutes. I don't know.
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I don't know. And I can't really off the top
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of my head tell you where those trimmings should have taken
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place because I'm not an editor. But what I can tell you is it
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probably as an audience member, it could have been a little
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tighter perhaps, but you know, whatever, 33.5 out of five, it's
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worth looking at. It's it's not a bad movie.
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And like Rob said, it is beautifully shot.
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It does have some humor as well that's in there.
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Wyatt Russell Kurt Russell, His son is in it, so he provides a
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little of a Comic Relief. Nice.
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You know, and not all the jokes land, but it's but none like
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Spielberg isn't known for that. Like he will put humor in a
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movie, but not everything is going to be a bullseye.
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Yeah, so. Well, I would say the they could
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have just edited out the don't litter part at the end.
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That would have been a good solid because that was that was
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10 minutes of the movie. That was insane.
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Yeah. It was a bit much.
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Probably just get rid of that and I'm going to go with 3.5 as
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well. That's exactly what I thought
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about 70%. It was, you know, above average
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film, a good Spielberg film, but not as best by any stretch.
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It's worth watching. I mean, it's worth seeing and I
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think there's a good message in it.
18:33
Whether or not it pertains to anything to do with today's
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reality is a whole different ball game and a whole different
18:38
story. So.
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OK I love it when you 2 sync up on both movies.
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So backroom. This is a rarity.
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I got to say, this is pretty rare.
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Yeah, exactly. The back rooms, plural and
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disclosure Day. Check them out if you haven't
18:53
heard of them. I don't know what planet you're
18:54
living on, but check them out. Rob, always a pleasure to see
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you. You're going to be back here in
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just a few weeks, I believe, to talk about Supergirl, so stay
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tuned for that. We're looking forward to that.
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And Barry, always a pleasure to see you and your World Cup beer
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Stein that you've got there. You can drink us.
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Out the trophy, yeah. Drink us out, Barry, drink us
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out. I'd be happy to all.
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