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Mega Edition: What Did Author Barry Levine Say About Maxwell And Epstein (7/5/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: Tonight we're going to discuss another excerpt from the book
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Spider by Barry Levine. Yesterday we discussed an excerpt of
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the book that talked about some of the gossiping going
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on within the jail in regards to Jeffrey Epstein and
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his conversations with Bill Mercy and another inmate. Well, today
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we're going to check out another excerpt of this book
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about Jeffrey Epstein's final days and how he was whining
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about bullying. Sounds about right. A guy like that, a
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real bully. The second you stand up to them, the
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second you punch them in the nose, they look for
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easier targets. And it's ironic that the king of the
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bullies would be crying about being bullied. This article is
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from The Daily Beast. The author of the article is
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Barry Levine. On the afternoon of July sixth, twenty nineteen,
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a force of NYPD officers and FBI agents were appropriately
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enough in a holding pattern at Teeterborough Airport in New Jersey.
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Now we know that's where Epstein was arrested. He was
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coming back from France and they nailed him at Teterborough. Now,
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why wasn't there a bunch of cameras there set up
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ready to go. Why wasn't it as publicized as some
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of the more political type arrests that we've had lately.
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It makes you wonder, doesn't it. The high that Saturday
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was a sweltering eighty eight degrees. Sweltering eighty eight degrees.
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I live in Las Vegas. We're going on like one
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hundred and seventy five days without rain. I got your
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sweltering right here. One hundred and fifteen damned degrees. That's sweltering.
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Skies were overcast, and the humidity made the tarmac feel
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even hotter. The federal agents and New York City detectives
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were wearing suits and ties. Others perspired in their navy
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blue windbreakers known as ray jackets, stamped with the yellow
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letters FBI. That's the worst possible thing you can imagine
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waiting for you or kicking in your door. Dudes wearing
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them blue jackets with those three letters on it. Yeah,
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I'll pass on all of that. As the airport's ground
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crew looked on the small army of law enforcement, close
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to fifty in all, assembled near a hangar one, an
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area adjacent to a US Customs and Border Protection Office.
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They were awaiting the arrival of Jeffrey Epstein. You know,
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it's great in all that he got arrested when he did,
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but still I can't get the taste out of my
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mouth of all of the decades, of all of the
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years that this man was able to operate and nobody
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stepped up to do a thing, and then when they
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do arrest them, there's no fanfare. We don't have a
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porter embedded, we don't have pictures, we don't have none
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of that stuff. The arrest team had been poised for
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this moment ever since word came down earlier that Epstein
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had boarded his golf Stream G five point fifty tail
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number N two one two je and Paris. Four days earlier.
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United States Southern District Magistrate Judge Barbara Moses had signed
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a sealed arrest warrant for Epstein. So while Epstein was
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in Paris doing whatever the hell he was doing with Shuliac,
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the prosecutors decided that now was the time. So they
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had this sealed indictment, and when Epstein was returning home
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to America, they decided to spring their trap. The operation
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at Teeterborough would be would be a statement of a
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carefully calibrated confidential effort that Jeffrey Berman, the US attorney
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in the district, and his team of prosecutors, had begun
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some six months earlier. So before he got arrested, there
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was six months of legwork done, all sorts of investigative work,
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I'm sure, interviews and gathering of information obviously, and then
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once they had their ducks in a row, they got
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the sealed indictment, and the second he came back to America,
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it was time to arrest his bitch ass. The problem, however,
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was that Epstein wasn't in the country. He was in France.
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Law enforcement tracked the movements of his private jet. See
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that's another thing. That's a little golden nugget here, right.
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I stated earlier that they were doing the same thing
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with Gilan Maxwell. There was no way that Gilaane Maxwell
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was going to get out of this country using conventional means,
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and that is why she was in New Hampshire so
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close to Canada. The Montreal connection. We've discussed all of that,
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and it is obvious that gle Maxwell would have bounced
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if she could have. They knew their best chance for
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a clean apprehension would be right after he touched down
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in the United States. Trying to arrest someone like Epstein
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in one of his palatial homes presented challenges and dangers
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that the FBI and NYPD were keen to avoid. What
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he has armed guards, He has guys with machine guns
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hanging out in machine gun nests in front of his house.
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That wasn't going to occur. You know, I get it
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why you want to pick him up at the airport,
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but there should have been at the same time that
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he was picked up, every one of his properties should
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have been raided, and we know that zoro Ranch wasn't.
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So the second he got picked up, what did his
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associates do with any documentation at zoro Ranch. I'm guessing
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they destroyed it. So that's just a big slap in
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the face to the survivors, everyone who was abused in
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New Mexico and justice itself. I've been pretty clear about
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how I feel about the New Mexico Erny general and
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how they have went after this case. I think it's
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appalling that there's no concurrent state investigation going on, and
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I also think that it is unimaginable that Zoro Ranch
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has still not been raided. Epstein had taken off from
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Paris four other times that year. His last flight in
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April took him from the French capital to Robot, Morocco
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for a nine hour visit. What's he doing in Morocco
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for nine hours? What the hell's going on in Robot
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that he's there for nine flip an hour's Flights to
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and from Teterborough were routine for him, like taking a
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car service. He expected to be back in his mansion
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within an hour or so of the N two to
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one two jees crossing into American airspace over Main the
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arrest team waited. I would have loved to see Jeffrey
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Epstein's face when they nailed him coming off that plane.
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And I also wonder if he was tipped off while
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he was in the air. You would think that if
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he was, he might have had the pilot skirt and
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head back to where he was going. But I really
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don't know how all of that would work, right, would
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the government scramble F sixteen's at that point? I have
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no idea, But I would have loved to see this
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guy's face when he got off that airplane. And there
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was an army of federal agents and NYPD officers waiting
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to greet them. That would have been joyful. The police
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officers and federal agents who made up the arrest force
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at Teeterborough had arrested hundreds of violent felons. Among them,
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only seasoned officers and agents with impeccable service records were
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handpicked for task force work. Well, that's good to know, right,
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some impeccable recorded agents on the case. You know. I
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give the FBI a real hard time and they deserve it.
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Same with the CIA, and I believe that there are
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way too many federal agencies as it is. But when
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it comes to the rank and file at the FBI,
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I would say the overwhelming majority of the agents themselves
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want to do the right thing. It's the bureaucrats that
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are above them that force shit on them. They forced
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them to eat shit sandwiches, and they force them to
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jettison cases. So when I talk about the FBI, I
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don't mean the rank and file. There are good people
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who work in the agency. I'm sure of that. I mean,
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let's be honest, But when it comes to the leadership structure,
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these bureaucrats that have been in these positions unelected by
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the way, have to go. There needs to be a purge,
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and there needs to be new blood brought into the FBI,
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and the CIA needs to be completely and utterly destroyed
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and rebuilt into something different. But the Epstein operation and
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its secrecy made some nervous. Epstein was rich and had
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ties to powerful figures in New York media. A source
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close to the investigation said Lawman feared that someone would
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give the financier pedophile a heads up. Yeah, well, you
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know what, that could have played into them not having
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the media there. That's definitely a good point that I
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might have overlooked, because we know Epstein had a bunch
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of friends in the media, Katie Kurk, George Stephanopolis, the
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list goes on. So if the media got wind of this,
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then they might have tipp Jeffrey Epstein off. I know
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that's horrible to say, but how long did the legacy
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media protect Jeffrey Epstein. How long did the legacy media
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run cover for Jeffrey Epstein? How long did the legacy
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media kill stories about Jeffrey Epstein? So why should we
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think that the legacy media would have kept their app
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shut in this instance. That's a very good point. Federal
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officials were afraid if Epstein learned about the planned arrest
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in flight, he would turn into Roman Polanski and order
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his pilot to make a detour to a place from
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where he could not be extradited, said Lieutenant Gene White
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of the NYPD. We didn't want to spook him because
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they were going to arrest him as soon as he
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landed and before his pilot could restart the engine. That's crazy.
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So you think what they're saying here is that they
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think his pilot was so loyal to him that his
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pilot was willing to restart that engine and aid and
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a bet a man wanted on felony crimes leaving the country.
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That shows you the loyalty of the pilot. Again. Sometimes
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we have to read in between the lines and see
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what they're saying in these sort of conversations, right, And
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it definitely is pretty jaw dropping to think that the
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pilot's loyalty ran that deep. And if that's the case,
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then you know that the pilot has some intricate, intricate
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knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein. And I'm not sure if it
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was Larry Vassoski who was the pilot of that flight,
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I should I have to look that up look into that,
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but I'm guessing it was, and Larry Vassoski obviously is
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super loyal to Jeffrey Epstein. The precautions turn out to
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be unnecessary. As Epstein's aircraft taxi to a stop on
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the tarmac, it was met by sedan's and SUVs with
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lights and sirens blaring. NYPD detectives and FBI agents swarmed
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the aircraft. They wore their blue windbreaker ray jackets. Their
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side arms were out. Epstein offered no resistance as he
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was placed in cuffs. It was five thirty PM. Well, yeah,
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why would he offer resistance. He figures he's gonna go.
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He'll get you into the court, they'll check him in,
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and then he'll be out that same day. That's what
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he thought. He thought that his contacts were still going
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to protect him. What he didn't know was that he
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was already burned as an asset the second he was arrested.
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The second time, his handlers burned him and got rid
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of all evidence that connected themselves that I am sure of.
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That's what happens in these sorts of operations. What you think,
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intelligence runs assets and then they keep information hanging around
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that can tie them to that asset. Hell no, not
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in black ops like this, Hell no. And that's why
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I think it's crucial to follow the money, because we're
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never going to find the ties that connect these higher
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upper echelon m managers, people, managers in intelligence. We're never
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going to find their fingerprints. There's zero chance it's going
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to be buried, in my opinion. But when it comes
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to the money, well, you can't hide that. And that
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is why I am so adamant about following the money
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in this case and tying all of these scumbags together financially.
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No one else on the plane was taken into custody.
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Some media reports indicated that the thirty year old Corina Shuliac,
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a Belussian emigree and dentist who was one of Epstein's
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latest romantic interests and a woman with whom he had
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grown closer of late, had been vacationing with Epstein at
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his Paris apartment, and that she had been on his
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jet when Epstein was arrested. Law enforcement sources familiar with
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Epstein's apprehension, however, dispute this insists I think Shuliac was
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not on the arriving flight. Well again, another little gem, right,
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another little nugget. And of course we don't, you know,
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we have to make sure that we're doing our legwork
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to find out what's what. But in this new book
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that Barry Levigne, Levine however you want to pronounce his
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last name, has just dropped. He's offering a different perspective here,
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some stuff that you know fills in a couple of
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the cracks perhaps, And again it's all about context, right.
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The more we know, the better off we are. After
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clearing US customs, Epstein was turned over to the custody
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of the US Marshall Service and driven some ten miles
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south to the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan, a
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federal jail known as the MCC, where prisoners charged with
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federal crimes are detained while a waiting arraignment or trial.
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And we know the MCC is a pretty notorious place.
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I mean, l Chapo is there, et cetera, et cetera.
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Epstein had grown up in modest surroundings, but he never
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experienced conditions like those in the MCC. For a man
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who had long since grown accustomed to a pampered life,
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landing in the MCC was a rude awakening far harsher
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than anything he'd experienced years earlier in the county lock
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up in Florida. It was a long time coming. This
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dude should have been dropped in a federal cell a
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long time ago. N chemically castrated. The whole entire farce
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of his first so called arrest is ridiculous, all right.
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I don't even want to call it an arrest. He
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had sleepovers, glorified sleepovers, in a whole wing of the
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Palm Beach lockup. You want to talk about a stark
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difference a federal jail cell, And if anybody has ever
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deserved to lose their freedom, it's this scumbag here. Robert
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Boyce had retired from his job as the NYPD's Chief
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of Detectives in April twenty eighteen after a thirty five
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career with the department. Even though Boyce was no longer
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the department's top detective, his gregarious nature and close relationship
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with top brass within New York's law enforcement community made
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him an inviting go between for someone hoping to assist
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the believered financier pedophile without so much as leaving a fingerprint. Wow,
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that's crazy, it's ins I mean, the connections that Jeffrey
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Epstein had, all of the people that he was involved with,
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and all of these people like Boyce who worked on
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his behalf to try and get him freeze. Just mind
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blowing to me. Why would anybody associate with this dirt scumbag?
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Boyce revealed how in the days following Epstein's July twenty
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nineteen arrest, a handful of Police Foundation benefactors, those he
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termed one percenters, embarked on what amounted to a stealth
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lobbying campaign on Epstein's behalf, meant to ease his discomfort
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behind bars. Oh excuse me, So it wasn't Boyce, it
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was the other people he was working with, some of
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the top one percent in people in the Police Foundation, etc. Etc. So,
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of course the leadership structure, the bureaucrats, not the officers themselves.
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Despite the common knowledge that Epstein was a convicted sex offender,
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these sweet people believe the favor bank was open for business,
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and each caller importuning him sought to make a withdraw
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on Epstein's behalf, So they were all calling in trying
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to get Epstein more favorable conditions. You know, all the
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stuff we talk about the stuff that only people in
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high society, or so called high society are to gain
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people like us. No chance, you really think anyone's calling
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on our behalfs besides our family and a few of
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our friends. You think the Police Foundation is stepping in
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to try and help you out. Hell, no they're not.
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But if you're Jeffrey Epstein and you have a pocket
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full of money and they feel like they can use
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you as a vehicle to climb up the status ladder,
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well you're You're part of the crew. Now I'm making
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a call on your behalf, And it's all about the
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money always. So all of these people who were calling
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on his behalf, my suspicion is they all receive some
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sort of money from Jeffrey Epstein at some point, and
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that as well should be looked into. They were uppercrust
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elites who met Epstein over cocktails and thought he was
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charming he won them over. Boyce explained, you know that's
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just not an excuse for me. I don't care how
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charming you are. I don't care how cool you think
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you are. If you have a conviction as a sex
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the way Jeffrey Epstein did, and for the crime that
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he was associated with, I mean, I don't care how
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charming you are. I'm not hanging out with you at
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any dinner function. And furthermore, I most certainly I am not
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making any phone calls on your behalf. Maybe making a
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phone call to ask the federal marshals to make your
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life worse, but to help you. What sort of scumbag?
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The Foundation members making calls on Epstein's behalf had each
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at one time been generous benefactors of the Police Foundation.
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One contributed as much as fifty thousand dollars. You know,
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they're calling not to say hello, Bob, but rather we're
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concerned about a friend of ours who is imprisoned. What
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are they the mafia? Yo u yo egg John. Look,
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a friend of ours is in some trouble. I'm gonna
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need you to take care of it. Oh, I mean,
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that's basically how they conduct themselves. At least the mafia
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is straight up and upfront about what's going on. And furthermore,
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you'll he had a better rate if you borrow money
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from the mafia then you would from the banksters. They
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wanted to buy him things, certain comforts while comforts while
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he was in the jail cell, like a pillow or toiletries.
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The callers gave Boyce the impression that each was prepared
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to cut a personal check on Epstein's behalf on the spot.
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Epstein needed money, they needed people to cut checks. I
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thought he was rich, jad I thought he's a billionaire. None.
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None of this makes sense. None of this makes sense
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at all. Why would they be trying to put money
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on Jeffrey Epstein's books? What does that even mean? Boyce
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was not inclined to help. By the time the callers
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reached the former chief of detectives, word had reached him
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through another former law enforcement official about the nature of
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the cash of lured photographs that had been seized from
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Epstein's townhouse. The trove of photos numbered in the hundreds,
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and the subjects were suspected survivors of Epstein's predations. And
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now all of these people knew what Jeffrey Epstein was,
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They knew about the pictures, they knew about the video,
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and yet these ex law enforcement officials are calling on
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his behalf. And you wonder why I rant and rave
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about the just US Department on a regular basis. This
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is why, folks, And it's brazen, right in your face.
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They're saying, ha ha, you can't stop me. We have
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all the power. What are you going to do about it?
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And well, you know my answer to that, and that
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is vote every single incumbent out. Enough is enough. They
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want to play games, They want to literally negotiate with
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our lives. But yet they don't want to do their jobs.
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They don't want to go after people who they should
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be going after. Instead they protect them. Instead, they get
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in bed with them. Meanwhile, you and I continue to struggle.
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Boyce diplomatically discouraged the caller's misguided impulses. I told them, look,
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just walk away. This is a bad guy. He is
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much worse than you ever know. Don't walk run. They
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immediately said thank you very much, Chief and hung up.
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So this boys guy ex chief of Detectives, has his
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head on straight, understood what Epstein was and knew the
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sort of monster he was. He had access to Epstein's files,
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the chief of Detective and the detectives in the NYPD
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for thirty five years. Yeah, pretty sure the guy knew
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what was what And it was definitely a good decision
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on his part to not get involved with Jeffrey Epstein,
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to not vouch for Jeffrey Epstein to not co sign
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for Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein's first night inside the MCC was
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spent in what's referred to as the general population. Ninety
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percent of MCC population was in gen pop, including most
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pre trial prisoners who tend to be more agitated and
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potentially more dangerous than those who have been sentenced and
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are awaiting for a prison transfer or those do for
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eminent release. And I mean sending him to gen pop
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right is just a bad idea. The whole circumstance around
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his arrest and what transpired after is an absolute shit show,
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an absolute shit show, and there is no excuse for
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it by the Department of Corrections. They have a huge budget,
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a huge budget, and they mismanage and misappropriate their funds
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on a regular basis and then can plain that they're
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stretched so thin. Manage your funds correctly. The tier Epstein
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was first sent to seven n included gang members of
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MS thirteen and various Bloods factions. It was a holding
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home for murderers, narco trappers, and other violent criminals and
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jailhouse assaults, either to settle a score for hire or
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common no doubt about it. If you catch a green
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light in jail or prison, somebody is gonna have their
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way with you. You're gonna get shanked. You better be
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ready to go. And a convicted pedophile, a convicted sex offender,
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bro your priority number one. If you're on the yard,
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forget it. You are going to get a taste of
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jail house justice if you're in gen Pop. So this
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guy should have never, ever, ever, ever, eva been in
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Gen Pop. On Epstein's second day behind bars, the Bureau
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of Prisons administrator is transferred Epstein from seven to n
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to the ninth floor South or nine S and the
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Special Housing Unit or shoe. It was also known in
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the mcc vernacular as the whole look for his own
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safety and for the safety of the case, that's where
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he should have been from the beginning. Now we all
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know it was a shit show in there as well,
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But if he was in general population, I have no
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doubt that he would have found a shank stuck into
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his ribs. Not only do these people look to take
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out convicted sex offenders, they're looking for clout with the
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other homies, with the shot callers, with everybody else on
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the yard. So they make a move like this, they
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have automatic credibility. Everybody on the yard knows the deal. Yo,
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that's to do that, God Epstein. Yo, that's to do that,
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God Epstein. And all of a sudden he's a superstar.
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But as we see, even in the shoe, shit goes south.
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The MCC was a hard place to keep secrets. The
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nature of Epstein's crimes became rather known inside the building.
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Rather than harming Epstein physically, several young prisoners in the
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unit initially sought to intimidate and extort him. According to
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inmate Michael Miles Tisdale, who ran and the inmate Companion
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program that had been established to assist at risk prisoners.
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So we talked a little bit about this on the
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Daily Drop last night. He was run out, Tisdale explained,
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meaning Epstein was ostracized from other prisoners in the housing unit.
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That's the first step. First you're isolated. Go sit at
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that table by yourself, chomo and that's what they call
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child molesters in prison chomos. So first you're ostracized, Go
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sit at that table, Stay the f away from us.
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We don't want your taint on us. You're disgusting, your
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blah blah blah, etc. Etc. And that's how it all begins.
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Tisdale said he heard about this effort, initially from one
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of the guards and later from Epstein himself. Other inmates
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tried to extort him. They tried to control him by
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selling him commissary items like snacks, sodas, and certain meals
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for way above what they're supposed to be sold for. Yeah,
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they saw somebody to exploit, a piggy bank, somebody that
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couldnot defend themselves. And guess what, I have no sympathy
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for this bitch ass. He spent his whole life bullying,
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He spent his whole life in control. The fact that
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the inmates were dispensing their own justice at beat on
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his head. I am totally fine with that. You don't
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want to end up like that. Stay out of prison.
26:18
You don't want to get, you know, stalled out. Don't
26:20
be a punk bitch. And that's what Epstein was at
26:23
his core, folks, a punk ass bitch, not even a man,
26:28
just a straight punk. According to inmate accounts, Epstein did
26:33
use commissary sales in an effort to secure his safety
26:36
within the jail. In conversations with another one of his counselors,
26:40
inmate William Dollar, Bill Mercy. Epstein expressed the fear that
26:44
he would be targeted by black inmates. Epstein did not
26:48
raise these specific fears with Tisdale, who was black. Well,
26:52
I got news for Jeffrey Epstein. You don't have any
26:54
friends in prison, bro, for your crimes, Black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Italian,
26:59
you have no friends. Every single one of the cars
27:03
on the yard wants nothing to do with you. Your
27:06
only hope is to go into protective custody. Down to
27:10
the shoe and shoe up. That's the only way you
27:15
can't run the run on the yard and the black folk.
27:19
What do you think the black shot callers aren't going
27:21
to green light you? For sure? Green light the essay
27:26
shot callers. What they're not green light of you? Green
27:28
light the Aryan brotherhood? Huh, believe it? Green light and
27:34
forget about it. Don't even attempt to stumble around where
27:38
the ginzaloons are hanging out. You're asking for big trouble
27:41
that way. The Asians and Pacific Islanders, they don't want
27:45
nothing to do with child molesters. So my point is
27:50
it's not just black people Jeffrey Epstein had to worry about.
27:53
He was such a racist guy and so mentally unstable
27:58
that he fixated on black folk, like black people were
28:01
the biggest of his problems in prison breaking news, Jeffrey Epstein,
28:05
your problems were much bigger than that, As Mercy understood it,
28:10
Epstein's worries about his safety were related to his experience
28:14
and feelings about race. He had mentioned he'd been bullied
28:17
at school in Coney Island by black kids, not by Italians,
28:20
not by the Irish, but by black kids. Mercy recalled,
28:23
it's because you were a dork bro point blank period,
28:27
and you weren't bullied. They broke your balls. Stop it.
28:31
Just because you get your balls broke doesn't mean you're
28:33
being bullied. If you're not sharp enough, you don't got
28:37
good enough comebacks. Well, that's what happens. I went to
28:42
school in the inner city. I know all about merciless
28:46
ball breaking. Jeffrey Epstein just was not built for that life.
28:51
In one conversation, Mercy recalled Epstein asking do I need
28:54
to do? I need a big schwar. Schwar or schwatz
28:59
is a pejorative Yiddish term for a black person, So
29:05
it's like a slight for a black person, A not
29:11
a good word that you want to call black people, okay,
29:14
And Jeffrey Epstein was very just throw those words around
29:17
nonchalantly like there's it's no big deal. Guy showed his
29:21
colors on a regular basis. Maria told us about his racism,
29:25
and the other survivors talked about it as well. Jeffrey
29:28
Epstein was an unhinged maniac. Mercy said he tried to
29:34
admonish Epstein about his insecurity, advising him to look fellow
29:37
prisoners in the eye and stand his ground. Yeah, that's
29:40
what you do. That's what men do, all right. Men
29:43
stand their ground, look other people in the eye when
29:47
they talk to them, and make it very clear I
29:49
am not the one that you want to target. Epstein
29:53
was not a man though. He was a coward. He
29:56
was a snake. He was a bully, and he had
30:00
no heart to deal with the repercussions of his actions.
30:07
Within a few days of being assigned to the Shoe,
30:09
Epstein was put on suicide watch, which meant he was
30:12
moved to an even grimmer environment. The suicide watch area
30:16
consists of four cell units on the second floor of
30:19
the jail that provide some of the most restrictive housing
30:22
in the facility. Inmates assigned to Suicide Watch are not
30:26
permitted to leave their cells. Beds are without sheets, clothing
30:30
is more minimal to prevent self harming behaviors. Lights are
30:34
never turned off, and inmates are supposed to be under
30:37
twenty four to seven watch by both prison guards and staff. Well,
30:42
we know that that didn't occur. We know that Bill
30:45
Barr's group of terribly trained correctional officers did not do
30:52
their job. Their bosses did not do their jobs, and
30:55
their bosses did not do their jobs. So it was
30:58
just an epic dumps fire and there's been no fixing it.
31:03
Has there been any sort of steps put into place
31:06
to fix this stuff, I haven't heard about them. There
31:09
needs to be a complete overhaul of the justice system
31:12
and the Department of Corrections in this country. The question
31:15
is which one of these talk a lot, do nothing
31:18
politicians has the courage to do it. Tisdale remembered seeing
31:25
Epstein in the unit, citing the distinctive jailhouse mufty worn
31:28
by inmates on Suicide Watch a gown with velcro straps
31:33
as proof. Tisdale and Mercy would both assert that Epstein
31:37
was moved to suicide Watch soon after he became an
31:40
inmate on July sixth. Again, I think it's not a
31:45
bad idea to have him on suicide watch, right, all
31:47
things considered, and if we had a competent force here
31:52
at the MCC to watch him, I think that would
31:54
have been a good idea. And to keep him there.
31:57
He should have never been let off suicide Watch, just
31:59
to have double protections in place. They would not move
32:05
him from the shoe to suicide Watch unless he indicated
32:08
to a prison psychologist or someone that he felt a
32:11
desire to kill himself. Mercy said, you don't go there
32:14
unless you express intent to hang up prison parlance for
32:17
a desire to take one's life. Or maybe in Jeffrey
32:20
Epstein's case, he preferred the solitude. Maybe he didn't want
32:23
anything more to do with the inmates, after he was
32:26
getting sweated, after he got punked out to put money
32:29
on people's commissaries, after he was paying twenty bucks per soda,
32:34
Maybe he said, you know what I'm gonna say, I'm
32:36
gonna hurt myself. I'm gonna get moved to suicide watch,
32:39
and that's gonna be that. The revelation of this previously
32:44
unreported first instance of Epstein being placed on suicide Watch
32:48
raises new questions about prison officials' efforts to safeguard their
32:52
high profile inmate. A representative for the Bureau of Prisons
32:56
declined to comment on the allegation. Of course, it's an
32:59
ongoing instigation. We have another comment. It's such an absolute joke.
33:04
And Bill Barr is a joke too, the way he
33:08
can deconducts himself, the way he conducts business. This guy
33:11
is CIA through and through, not a trustworthy individual. And
33:15
like I always say, he's like the Wade Phillips of bureaucrats.
33:22
How many times are we going to drag this guy
33:23
back in, retreat him, and have him as the guy
33:26
in charge? I am so tired of that. You mean
33:29
to tell me in this country that there's not a
33:31
better person to be Attorney General of the United States,
33:34
A person with more integrity, a person who really wants
33:38
to see justice, because from where I'm sitting, that certainly
33:42
is not Bill Barr. After several days spent on suicide Watch,
33:48
Epstein was transferred back to the shoe. We're all seemed
33:51
okay until the morning of July twenty third, five days
33:55
after his request to be remanded to house arrest was
33:57
denied by a federal judge. On July eighteen, Epstein was
34:01
found on the floor of his cell, semi conscious in
34:04
the fetal position with Marx on his neck. Epstein's cell mate,
34:09
Nicholas Tartaglioni, a muscle bound former police officer accused of
34:14
a drug related quadruple homicide, summoned guards by yelling. Tartaglioni
34:20
denied any complicity in the incident. Again, I don't believe
34:24
that one bit. I believe that Tartaglioni did attack him.
34:27
I believe that Tartaglioni was sending a message. And I
34:31
believe that the footage that wasn't found, or the footage that,
34:36
oh we didn't have a camera appointed to the jail cell,
34:39
I think that's bupkiss. I think that's BS. And they
34:42
knew that Tartaglioni was the one who assaulted him. Why
34:46
would they put him in a cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni,
34:49
a former cop who was accused of a quadruple homicide
34:54
that was related to drugs. Why do you put Jeffrey
34:56
Epstein in that cell? Why not make him cell mates
34:59
with that Bill Mercy guy. None of it makes sense,
35:03
and they don't have any logical answers for us. So
35:06
until we have logical answers that make sense that connect
35:10
the pieces here, we're going to keep putting them on
35:13
blast for the terrible job that they did. I cannot
35:18
wait for the day that Bill Barr is no longer
35:20
the Attorney general. The guy is an absolute disaster. Epstein
35:27
went back to the shoe only six days after his
35:29
purported suicide attempt. On August ninth, Epstein's then cellmate transferred
35:35
out with no immediate replacement. Epstein had his cell to
35:38
himself in what would have been the last meal serf
35:43
to Epstein. A database from the Federal Bureau of Prisons
35:46
shows the dinner that night was likely baked ZD or
35:49
a tofu pasta alternative by ten Epstein and the other
35:54
inmates were locked in their cells for the night, so probably,
35:59
I mean, my guess would be that Jeffrey Epstein's last
36:01
meal was some baked ZD unless he is eating some
36:06
toful alternative and I never heard anything about him eating
36:09
like that, but quite possible. Interesting little tidbit though his
36:13
last meal interesting Interesting Interesting by morning he would be dead.
36:21
So there you have it, folks. Another excerpt from the
36:25
book Spider by Barry Levine. Levine, I don't know how
36:30
he pronounced his last name one way or the other.
36:31
Either way, this is just more information for us to
36:36
go through. I've started this audio book today. I'm a
36:41
little bit into it, not very far. I've been in
36:43
the studio all morning since five am, working on obviously
36:47
this show and working on the first episode of the
36:54
new podcast that will be premiering on October thirtieth. Definitely
37:00
have that to look forward to as well. But as
37:03
far as this book, Spider, it sure looks that it
37:06
is pretty comprehensive, and it definitely looks like it's been
37:10
well researched, well thought out, and it seems to have
37:14
some nuggets of good information. So I'll continue to read it,
37:18
I'll continue to keep my eye on articles breaking about it,
37:23
and we'll continue to talk about it. The fact of
37:27
the matter is this, we are very close to having
37:33
our hands on that deposition, folks, And when that deposition drops,
37:39
I have a funny feeling that we're going to have
37:42
a lot of these connections make a lot more sense.
37:49
If you'd like to contact me. You can do that
37:51
at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's Bobby c
37:55
ap U c Ci at ProtonMail dot com, and also
38:00
find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore cap Ucci. All
38:06
of the link article out from Barry Levine talking about
38:10
Gilaine Maxwell, and he talks about how she is just
38:14
as much of a predator as Jeffrey Epstein, and I
38:18
think it's a valid point for him to make, and
38:21
it's an important point for him to make, considering we
38:24
have been talking about that for how long here on
38:26
this podcast. We've known for how long that she is
38:29
not just some henchman or his girlfriend or a love interest.
38:33
She is a co conspirator, a co boss, and somebody
38:39
who really really was involved as far as leadership goes
38:44
when it comes to this sex trafficking criminal ring, and
38:48
a lot of people still don't want to put a
38:49
stamp on it. A lot of people still don't want
38:52
to talk about that portion of it. It's almost like
38:55
people want to let her try and style herself as
38:59
some or to victim. So it's nice when we see
39:03
people like Barry Levine, who wrote the book The Spider,
39:06
come out and talk to a legacy media joint like
39:10
Newsweek and give them the really real. So we're gonna
39:14
jump into this article from Newsweek and we're going to
39:17
see what Barry Levine had to say to Newsweek about
39:21
Gelaye Maxwell. This article was originally run in Newsweek, but
39:26
we're reading it from the MSN hosted site. The headline
39:31
why Gilayne Maxwell was just as much a predator as
39:34
Jeffrey Epstein. Author of the article, Jack Royston, Gailanne Maxwell
39:42
was able to lure young girls and miners to pedophile
39:45
Jeffrey Epstein because they saw the woman figure as a protector.
39:49
A biographer told Newsweek that's definitely for sure. Those girls
39:54
were very comfortable with Gelaye Maxwell. If you listen to
39:56
them and you listen to their stories, that's one of
39:59
the key factors and the deciding factors for them to
40:02
decide to go in quote unquote work for Jeffrey Epstein.
40:06
They felt comfortable with Miss England, right. She came over
40:10
with that hoity toity accent, the whole entire you know persona,
40:16
and these young girls who came from broken homes who
40:19
only probably only seen English people like this on TV before.
40:23
You know, the really high crust rich kind of people.
40:27
So this lady comes in and she shows interest in them,
40:29
and she decides, hey, you know what I got this
40:33
guy I'd love for you to meet. You can make
40:34
a few bucks too, and then, well we know what
40:39
happens after that. She brings them to Jeffrey Epstein and
40:42
the nightmare begins. But it was a very very very
40:47
very good cover for her to be so hoity toity
40:50
and to be so well spoken and so educated. Nobody
40:53
ever expects people like that to be the ones that
40:56
are devious and draconian. But what we have learned, especially
41:00
in this case, is that it seems like people like
41:03
that are all disgusting in draconian. The British socialite what
41:11
you mean, fellow child abuser, general, all around scuzbag and
41:14
bipedal serpent is awaiting trial on allegation she helped Epstein
41:18
groom young girls for sex while they were in a
41:21
relationship in the nineteen nineties. Again, we have to address
41:26
that they were not in a relationship, Okay, not the
41:29
kind of relationship you think of, not the kind of
41:31
relationship you're engaged in with your significant other. That's for sure.
41:35
There were partners, they were put together by Maxwell and
41:39
Maxwell's handlers, and well, not a pair of lovebirds, okay,
41:45
co conspirators for sure, partners in crime. Absolutely, did Gilanne
41:52
Maxwell maybe have a crush on Jeffrey Epstein, I don't know, maybe,
41:56
but as far as being lovers or lovebirds or anything
42:00
like that, just not the case. I really suggest you
42:03
watched the show The Americans and see how those agents
42:07
acted when they were put together and supposed to be
42:11
a quote unquote family. In my opinion, she was just
42:17
as responsible as Jeffrey Epstein. I've said that from the
42:20
very beginning, and I'm pretty sure we're on the right
42:23
path considering all of the survivors are of the same mind.
42:27
Gilain Maxwell was not just some you know, shrinking daisy.
42:32
She was right in the middle of it. She had
42:34
her job to do. Her portion of the leadership role
42:38
was to make sure that they were welcomed into high
42:41
society and to make sure the girls were comfortable. Meanwhile,
42:45
Jeffrey was the front man for the quote unquote business
42:48
end of things. But both of them shared power, they
42:52
had equal power, and they were both just as responsible
42:56
for what happened throughout the years that they were active together.
43:00
At least in my opinion. Maxwell said in a recently
43:06
unsealed deposition it was part of her job for the
43:09
New York financier Pedophile to find adult massage therapists. Adult
43:14
massage therapists. Huh So my question is this, you have
43:18
to actually go and find adult massage therapists. Don't most
43:22
of them have businesses or business cards or contact numbers
43:28
or reviews or it was word of mouth. You don't
43:32
go looking for massage therapists, you know. You know what, guys,
43:35
as soon as I'm done with the podcast, I'm gonna
43:37
go hit the strip. I'm gonna just go walk around
43:39
and look for massage therapists. What does that even mean?
43:43
It's absolutely ridiculous. And the fact that she said that
43:47
in a deposition is even more ridiculous. She should have
43:51
been absolutely hammered over that remark. Really, I go out
43:54
and look for massages, that's my job. Why don't you
43:57
just hire one really damn good massage that knows the
44:01
ins and outs of Jeffrey's body, that knows what he needs,
44:03
massage that he knows what needs to be worked on.
44:08
Because it wasn't about the massages, it was about the
44:11
power and the abuse of these young girls in a
44:13
lot of instances high school age. Her accusers claim she
44:19
groomed them to be abused by him with promises they
44:22
would be helped in their careers. The daughter of deceased
44:25
UK newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell, denies charges of trafficking and
44:30
perjury and awaits trial in July. Some of the allegations
44:35
against her are detailed in a new biography, The Spider,
44:38
published recently by Crown, an imprint of Penguin Random House.
44:43
So we've talked about Barry Levine's book The Spider when
44:48
it first came out, but it is unbelievable to me
44:56
that some people still are not hip to the type
45:00
of the devious, disgusting, bipedal serpent that Giliane Maxwell is
45:05
and was. Author Barry Levine told Newsweek the most troubling
45:11
aspect of it is young girls and miners certainly will
45:15
look at the woman figure as the protector, and they
45:17
felt initially safe because of Maxwell's presence. That's a fact.
45:21
We've heard the survivors talk about that how being Gilaane Maxwell,
45:25
being a woman offered them some false sense of security
45:29
and then once they were caught up in it. Well,
45:31
it was too late. They were already groomed, they were
45:34
already involved. So Gilea and Maxwell. Even if that was
45:39
her only role, say she wasn't a boss, right, Say
45:41
that was her only role? That should that should have
45:44
get her one hundred years in prison in my opinion anyway.
45:48
But unfortunately for her, that was not her only role.
45:51
She was a boss, She had underlings, She was engaged
45:56
in a leadership role in a criminal conspiracy. You know
46:01
what that smells like to me, folks. I know it's
46:04
a little stuffed up, but it sure smells like rico
46:06
to me. Her and Jeffrey were this couple that would
46:14
mentor young girls, give them scholarships and so forth, help
46:17
them through their troubles, give them money for their families.
46:21
Her presence in that relationship certainly helped her recruit and
46:24
groom a lot of these girls. Yeah, dead on, one
46:28
hundred percent accurate. It's it's really sad that a woman
46:33
like Elaine Maxwell, who had the whole world at her fingertips,
46:37
Oxford educated, came from a rich family even though they
46:40
were thieves. What you didn't have a few bucks squirreled away,
46:43
you still didn't have a trust fund stop it. But
46:46
instead of using this incredible wealth and privilege for good,
46:52
instead she teams up with Jeffrey Epstein and they engage
46:55
in this disgusting, sordid child sex trafficking. So she has
47:02
nobody to blame for her but herself and the rest
47:04
of these so called elites and rich people who get
47:06
caught up in this shit. I have no empathy for you.
47:09
You could have been anywhere else in the world. You
47:11
have all the money in the world. Your ass could
47:13
have been sitting on the beach in Abiza, but instead
47:17
you're dicking around with Jeffrey Epstein, hanging out in his
47:20
living room, down in his beach house down at Zoro Ranch.
47:24
And then when it all comes to light, you want
47:26
to cry crocodile tears and act like we should have
47:29
empathy for you. Sorry, that's not going to occur. These
47:37
women were not prepared that this woman would be as
47:40
much of a predator and a monster as Jeffrey. From
47:43
depositions and testimonies, it's clear that Gilaine was just as
47:47
much a predator as Jeffrey was. Yes, sing to speak
47:51
the truth, yell the gospel, mister Levine, because it is
47:55
imperative that these legacy media outlets understand what we're dealing with.
48:01
It's imperative that they know that Glaine Maxwell is not
48:05
somebody that they should have empathy for or be sad
48:09
that she doesn't have a broad in prison about. Okay,
48:12
she is not that kind of person. She should elicit
48:14
no emotion from anybody, no empathy from anybody. She should
48:18
be treated as any other inmate would. She'll have her
48:23
day in court, She'll have a chance to defend her name,
48:26
and then when all the chips are laid out and
48:29
all the cards are on the table, will see what's what,
48:33
and we'll see who's telling the truth. I have a
48:37
pretty good feeling that Gilainne Maxwell is going to spend
48:42
the rest of her life in prison. The Spider charts
48:47
owl Maxwell fell for Epstein when she moved to New
48:50
York after the mysterious death of her father in nineteen
48:53
ninety one. Yeah, see, I don't agree with that. Again,
48:56
while I think that there's a lot of good information
48:58
in this book, the anyone who is on the path
49:02
that Gelainne Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were some sort of lovebirds,
49:06
they're they're mistaken. They were put that again. I hate
49:10
to keep saying it, but if you're not familiar with
49:12
the show the Americans, do yourself a favor and just
49:15
watch a couple of episodes at least and you'll understand
49:17
what I'm talking about. Then they're playing a role, right,
49:20
They're actors. That's what That's what spycraft is. You're acting
49:23
like you're something you're not. And there are people that
49:26
are very very good at it, and Gilaine Maxwell most
49:30
certainly was one of those people. At the time he
49:34
was mourning, he was mourning the loss of his own father,
49:37
Seymour Epstein, who died after a long illness in December
49:40
that year. The book says Levine said, I spent a
49:44
lot of time in the book trying to explore a
49:48
little bit of what had been Maxwell's mindset when she
49:50
first met Jeffrey Epstein. This was right after the violent
49:54
death of her father, who had died going overboard on
49:56
the yacht and so forth. Well, we don't know if
49:59
it's violent death. R He could have killed, It could
50:01
have could have been, you know, an accident, right, could
50:04
have been. We don't know. But I would think that
50:07
Robert Maxwell and all the bridges that he had burned. Well,
50:12
probably had that coming right when you when you're swimming
50:15
around in that kind of world with that kind of
50:17
murky water and those sort of seedy people. Yeah, it
50:20
doesn't take much to end up in the middle of
50:23
the ocean. Elaine was completely dysfunctional when she first came
50:29
to New York. She came under Jeffrey's wing, and Jeffrey
50:32
took on this role of a father figure, figure, lover
50:35
mentor confidant to her and so forth for a time.
50:39
I think Elaine was really under his spell. Yeh see,
50:42
I don't believe any of that. This is all part
50:44
of the acting that I was just talking about. I
50:47
think that these people, Gilayne Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, they understood
50:51
that they had to play the role. They had to
50:53
make pretend that they were a couple. They had to
50:55
make pretend that they were together or else this wouldn't
50:58
have worked right they could that's such a close business
51:03
employee relationship, that wouldn't have worked well for the circles
51:07
they're moving in. So we always have to keep that
51:11
at the front of our thoughts as well. It's it's
51:14
so much more than just oh they were lovers or
51:18
There's so much more that goes into this cover, so
51:20
much more that goes into an operation like this. She
51:25
was also counting on Jeffrey to finanswer and support her,
51:28
and I think she realized very quickly that she was
51:30
either going to live this life with him or not
51:33
at all. That's why she seemingly just went along with
51:36
this and groomed these women and recruited these young girls
51:39
and so forth. Yeah. Sorry, I don't agree. Again, I
51:42
don't agree with that. I think you're selling her a
51:45
bit short and giving her a bit of a an out,
51:49
almost like it was all Epstein's fault, like she's suffering
51:52
from Stockholm syndrome. That is not the case. This is
51:55
somebody who went into this with both eyes open, was
51:58
involved with it with both thighs open, and then after
52:01
Epstein was arrested, still maintained contact with him, still didn't
52:06
come forward. She is not a victim. She is not
52:10
some girl that fell in love with Jeffrey Epstein and
52:12
circumstances led her here. I'm sorry. I will not bite
52:17
and I will not buy that narrative, and in fact,
52:20
I will attack that now narrative and challenge it anytime
52:24
it's put forward, Levine has re examined much of the
52:29
mountainous evidence for himself, including revisiting the notes made by
52:33
journalist Sharon Churcher during the first press interviews with Virginia Roberts,
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in which she said she was made to have sex
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with Prince Andrew, and he called on prosecutors to include
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the evidence of Maxwell's friend Christina Oxenberg, cousin of Prince Andrew. Yeah. Sorry,
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I don't. I said it when that when she first
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came out with her stories. I don't believe Christina Oxenberg,
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not one bit. Sorry, I don't. I don't. Just don't.
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Her stories don't seem to jive with what's going on here. Sorry,
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doesn't make sense to me. Now, that doesn't mean she's
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not telling the truth, right, She might be telling a
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bit of the truth, but I just don't think she
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has much to add when it comes to this story,
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and just another person looking for some shine, he told Newsweek.
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In my book, I have what I think is a
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very compelling confession that took place in nineteen ninety seven.
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This was when Gilaine invited Christina to celebrate the success
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of Christina's novel Royal Blue. I write that the conversation
53:29
turned to Maxwell's relationship with Epstein. She says, Jeffrey is
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very important to me and I need him to marry me. See,
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I don't I don't believe that that's the case. I
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just I'm sorry, I can't believe that that's the case.
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I have seen no evidence of that. And when you
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speak to survivors who were really in the know, not
53:48
third persons like Oxenburg, you understand very quickly that Gilaine
53:53
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein weren't in some kind of love
53:55
bird relationship. Oxenberg said that Maxwell confided that she was
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unable to keep up with Epstein's sexual appetite, and because
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of Epstein's needs that were impossible to meet, Maxwell felt
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obliged to bring in young girls to fulfill his sexual needs.
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According to Oxenberg's account of the conversation, yeah, sorry, I
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don't buy that. I do not buy that. That was Yeah,
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she brought them around, no doubt about it. But that
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was all part of the plan. That was all part
54:23
of laying the groundwork for the blackmail scheme. However, Levine
54:30
is uncompromising in his assessment of Maxwell's role in the
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abuse surrounded Epstein. He said Jeffrey and Gelaane kind of
54:38
became a predatory Bonnie and Clyde of sorts. The most
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troubling thing about Gilayne's involvement is that she was willing
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to go through this because she believed that she was
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in love with him and wanted him to marry her.
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In some weird, warped way, she allowed all this to
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carry on in a way to please Jeffrey. Nope, sorry,
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I disagree with all of that one hundred percent. Disagree
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with it. Honestly, she wasn't there and doing that because
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she was in love with Epstein. Sorry, that was not
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the case. She was there because it was beneficial to her.
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She was there because this was a play that was
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put into motion by her father, the person whose knee
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she grew up next to, learning spycraft, learning all of
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this bullshit world that they live in. So you're gonna
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need to really come with a lot more evidence to
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convince me that she was Jeffrey Epstein's lover and they
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were in love and it was Blesspaul, and she did
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it all to make Jeffrey happy. Sorry, I'm not buying
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any of that. Okay, Now, that might be the cover
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story that they laid. For sure. That is certainly the
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sort of devious ass cover story that UH operatives for
55:43
intelligence agencies, certainly something that they would do. They would
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institute a whole fake family, kids and all, because that
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is how spycraft works. And anybody who thinks that Gilaine
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Maxwell was just with Jeffrey Epstein because she was in
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love with him, or that she thought she needed him
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to take care of her financially, well you have not
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really been paying attention, have you, because there is so
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much more there, and Gilane Maxwell is not just some
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woman who got caught up with Jeffrey Epstein. Gilane Maxwell
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is a co conspirator, a fellow child abuser, and a
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bipedal serpent. If you'd like to contact me, you can
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do that at Bobby Kapucci at ProtonMail dot com. That's
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Bobby c ap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You
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can also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore c
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ap you Cci. All of the links that go at
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this episode can be found in the description box. And
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to all of you who have done