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Strictly Come Hamster - Series Five (featuring Iain Martin & Gareth Bowley) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Alliance. How is that possible the cracks
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  in the skin of the universe? All reality is threatened all
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  universes will be delivered. What?
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  And you've come to me for help. No, we will save the universe
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  from you. From me or protections correlate
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  know, you've got it wrong. Listen to me.
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  Stop it. Mistake.
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  Huge, didn't anyone ever tell? You, there's one thing.
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  You never put in a podcast if you're smart.
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  If you value your continued song.
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  Let's say if you've got any plans about maintaining an
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  audience, there's one thing you never ever put in a podcast, May
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  Welcome back to the time me, why me?
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  Wibbly wobbly sibling. What we do is we actually
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  Strictly Come hamster. My name is Joe Ford.
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  Hello, everybody. And we are here today to
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  annihilate. I'm sorry.
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  Be extremely positive about Series, 5 of the Steven, Moffat
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  era, how it very exciting rolled.
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  Are you excited? I'm excited, but you may not be.
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  In fact, our audience know how little excited you are, because
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  I'm going to start with a limerick from our lovely.
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  Paul Quinn who sent in this. I mean, the Palma has the
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  universe That once was a critical joke who thought Amy
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  Pond was a hoe oh she found him off at Scripps.
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  Quite rotten his arcs. Mr. Gotten like something from
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  Satan's ass hole. Oh my God.
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  That is honestly I've never heard a poem so profound since
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  oh, wet pet that I was young. You can English left literature
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  Professor can't, yes, right. Yeah, more on a bit of a hole
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  later. Yeah, I'm sure what you wore Amy
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  both. Oh, that's why I hate us so
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  much. I didn't start over you.
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  Recognize you recognize similar tracks.
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  Well yeah, we are back for Moffitt's first season and if
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  you take yourself back to 2010, I think fandom was pretty
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  generally positive about Moffitt taking on the role of show
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  running. Given these four scripts on the
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  Russell, I've been so well received And I think we're going
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  to see bits of those scripts back again tonight so the
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  everyone lives Mantra from clearly child wasn't just that
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  one occasion because we've got a number of stories where
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  everybody lives and there aren't any deaths.
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  Look at the last story alone, Amy dies, she comes back.
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  The doctor dies comes back, Roar is died for about four times by
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  now and he comes back. So everyone's alive and well by
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  the end goodness, isn't it? Absolutely, he idiot.
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  Keep your powerful girl in the fireplace.
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  Brought us from mantis for the doctor and we've got River here,
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  teasing their future together. Blink, gave us the Angels, their
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  back plus tiny Winehouse by the bucket load.
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  And most notably, obviously Amy Pond story gets Rewritten by the
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  end and silencing the library. Gave us the Trope of the doctor
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  just telling the baddies as Tom would say to spark off, and he
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  does that again in everything from Love and power to Pandora
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  opens. But of course, there is one
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  other obvious big influence on this season curse of the Fatal
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  death. With its Labyrinth find
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  backwards and forwards in time. And there were Shades there in
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  Big Bang. Dare I say, but we will get
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  there in time. Shades.
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  Did you say? Hey, I'm being positive.
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  Well, to help us sort this all out and decide whether York is
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  indeed just stuff with bits in it.
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  And why beans are evil. Bad bad beans which joined by
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  two very special guests. As Amy pontus self would say.
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  I've got my podcast of got my boys.
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  Between us, we're going to decide which story will be
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  lifting the location glitter ball and which will be sucked
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  into Amy's crap because it's a yawning Chasm from, which no man
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  can possibly return. So let's welcome.
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  Today's guest, we have a very shocked.
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  Ian joining us today are strictly newbie and welcome to
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  the podcast, and thank you for having me.
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  I can't believe you've just said that and I can't believe you're
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  going to get away with it. I'd get canceled like oh all
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  I've been told. Is it my goal on for a long
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  time? So I laid in a good selection of
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  snacks and hot food as well. So I am primed and ready.
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  That's wonderful to have you on Strictly.
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  And Gareth making a return after your dissing of the Daleks in
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  our series starters. I mean to go on I did, I did
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  wonder how long it would take his to get into Amy's.
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  Crack not very long at all. Excuse me, I would like to sleep
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  tonight. Thank you very much.
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  We please stop. I think her Croc might come up
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  once or twice and I don't like, yes, indeed.
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  I think about the season goes in the wall, right?
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  Yeah. What else?
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  Well quiet, yeah. I don't know what else you might
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  be talking about. Well, gentlemen, before we get
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  into the stories himself, let's tease the audience.
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  Let's give them your overall feelings on the season.
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  Without any spoilers Gareth. Kick us off.
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  What do you think of Series 5? Oh, I hate it.
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  I don't like it at all. I can't stand it.
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  I did. It is the singular.
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  Worst piece of Doctor Who I have ever had The Misfortune to sit
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  through several times. Oh, this is gonna be waiting
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  for. There's no, but no, no.
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  But can I just ask a question if you watched anything that's
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  happened since For example season 9 or the Jodie Whittaker
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  era. All right without getting too
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  far into it. I I have a big problem with this
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  series its overarching Arc and as already expertly mentioned at
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  the top end of the intro, the shadow of the curse of fatal
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  death on all of this. I'm sure we'll get into it.
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  Ian, bring some positivity, principal light to us.
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  Please Lightning positivity. Well for me.
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  Uh you know when people ask me what's your ear, I always say
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  the Stephen moffatt era but it isn't the Stephen Moffitt era.
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  It's the Matt Smith era and it isn't the Matt Smith era.
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  It's season five and maybe half of season 6 for me.
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  This series was the greatest run of episodes the show has ever
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  produced since certainly the Sylvester McCoy era.
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  So I think it's about to say we've got some slightly
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  diametrically opposed views on the show next year because
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  somewhere in the middle, you know, because there are some
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  things about serious, father are really, like, are do like the
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  ambition of it. I like the confidence of it.
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  I like the color of it as well. It's got not compare this to six
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  and nine. It's like a rainbow blasting out
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  the screen, and I like the wit of it as well.
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  So, there are things all up, but there are however many things I
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  don't like about this season. There are some terrible,
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  terrible revisions. And I'm talking about returning
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  monsters that hang like LED balloons.
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  I think it's hugely inconsistent in quality like my baton average
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  here is possibly five five, maybe six four.
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  So I think there's a lot of really average to Bad episodes,
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  and I hate hate hate with an absolute passion.
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  Rory, being bullied by the sarcastic monstrously over A
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  bearing cock holding cheating dismissive, unsympathetic and
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  deeply unpleasant, Amy Pond. I just reflection of you.
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  Joe, I love Amy Pond in series 5 with such a passion.
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  She actively makes Good episodes bad.
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  And if you can't get on board with a companion, you're like
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  this with toes and car in the Jody whiskey, you can't get on
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  board with a companion, you don't.
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  And I realize halfway through this season, I just wasn't on
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  board with it because I just didn't like Amy at all.
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  This was the year where Sarah James series 4 came out.
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  And I preferred watching series 4 of Sarah Jane that I did
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  Serious, five of Doctor Who, so there is good stuff in here.
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  But it's massively problematic for me. okay, well, as you know,
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  I'm a big big Steven, Moffat Farm, but I would say off his
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  six series five, he's probably my least favorite of The
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  complexities of sex, a nine as you just talked about.
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  But that's not say I dislike five in anyway, shape or form.
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  I am going to be generally positive, so I think we've got
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  two positives and two negatives say, but I don't think for me,
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  it doesn't quite reach the heights that we get later on.
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  I don't think there's enough moth here.
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  I think he's starting to find his is Moffat feet, but that's
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  not enough here for me to get my teeth into.
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  So I enjoy it. But it's not, it's not Peak
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  Moffat. I have been said that, I love
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  Amy. I think Amy and Matt together
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  are fucking fantastic. I think they're a great deal and
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  they raise episodes that I might not be so, you know.
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  So yeah. I think we have got quite a
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  difference of opinion tonight, which should make this an
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  interesting run. It, too of our favorite know, my
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  two favorite. Matt Smith episodes are in this
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  season so I can't write off two of my absolute favorites.
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  There's nothing the top so too, in the subsequent Seasons
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  because I do think this is a an era that bleeds quality as it
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  goes along. You know, we start the left now,
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  and we end a time of the Ceramic, and I was there ever
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  been what? What we call it your, in Chasm
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  in quality between the beginning and the end of an era.
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  But yeah, let's get talking, let's get into it.
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  Should we start with our overall listeners comments?
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  Because they again, I think they probably show the people have
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  quite divided opinions on this era, and specifically, this
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  series. Ian, would you like to kick us
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  off with the, the comments? Like, is the wrong word?
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  I'm prepared to read out the following comment, but it is
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  with a certain amount of reservation James H says din all
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  13 That's pretty succinct. Maybe men, 13, maybe meant been
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  the Jodie Whittaker. I mean we've done about episodes
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  through talking nonsense but to sleep in Authority means this is
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  a season without anything to recommend it.
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  There is no season of Doctor Who without anything to raise a bit
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  inconsistent. Because when we get to his
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  comments, he does find the odd game of So, next up, we've got
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  Lucy McCall. Who says this was, when I began
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  to drift away again. And she came back for Jodi on my
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  ads at state. Is it me again?
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  It's Yuan. I'm guessing the hang of the
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  former bear with me. So, Luke Sims Jenkins says not
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  an era. I like, but I adore Vincent and
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  the doctor interesting. Joe short says really don't like
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  the Matt Smith era, he just doesn't appeal to me.
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  Then there's the bloody pawns so I never sit down and think I
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  want to watch any of it ever again Joe I have sympathy for
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  you. I love you Joe sure.
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  Strike that lovely from your name right now.
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  She's not serious. No I didn't she die.
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  Who's next ligma Lloyd? The lovely.
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  Luke Malloy says, this is Doctor Who done faster snappier and
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  more stylishly than ever before. The doctor is redefine from war,
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  veteran to madman with a box. And this finally shifts the
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  modern series into new more exciting territory.
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  We have So we have to make the font slightly larger.
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  I've gone into this, with the certain amount of, you know,
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  gung-ho bonami. But I can't read that.
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  We have who's best leads what the helm.
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  The most poignant story arc to date and the best opener and
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  finale of all time. Very often diametrically opposed
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  to Luke the lawyer but what a lot of fucking bulshit howling.
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  Next up, its James Lark and he saves wonderful.
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  The fairy, tales sensibility and intimate settings, feel like a
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  deliberate throwing off of the overblown, histrionic.
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  So, the preceding era, the story arc is properly threaded
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  throughout rather than slapped on as an afterthought.
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  The economical deployment of effects gives them much greater
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  impact on the whole thing. Looks beautiful.
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  I mean, even, I've got to admit the look of this series is top
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  dollar. Yeah, I agree.
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  He cannot call though. I enormous, eyeball in the sky,
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  there's only one of them. That's fucking Mass.
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  Ah, alright, who's next Bernard Bernard enigmatic Bernard?
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  We've never heard from this. We've never heard from Bernard.
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  Is Bernard like me a new person, maybe he is that.
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  Bernard says this is when new Doctor Who arrived, thank you
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  both and it by which, I mean the character of the doctor as
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  written and performed here by moffatt and Smith previously,
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  the doctor didn't have the dialogue intellectual core or
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  emotion or authentically presented it felt like cosplay
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  Bernard. All right whoever Bernard is hot
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  just please do not write it again.
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  Okay, we love you. So I like it.
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  Rude about this this is what pops up the numbers they turned
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  up to see what we're going to say and those shoes are filthy
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  Yeah. All right and no one can.
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  Alright let's go. So next up is Paul Kirkley, the
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  best new season, obviously 11 hour is the perfect introduction
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  to a new doctor. The angel 2 part is Sublime and
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  Pandora is simply the greatest story of all time.
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  Hmm, interesting. Maybe I can see why somebody
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  might think that about the Pandora opens.
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  Yes. Oh, you tease you tease.
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  So I it's very formal, Simon, heart.
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  Is he some relatively hard? I don't think he's going on.
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  Okay, so Grand Uncle Simon, heart says, probably my favorite
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  series. Since the show returned, he's a
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  clever chap, isn't he? I instantly loved Matt Smith
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  Doctor and the series is full of highs 11th.
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  Our angels to party Vincent and the finale are all absolutely
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  topped here Doctor Who classy back then, he says, angels to
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  partner did the Angels have two partners maybe they did.
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  Oh wow. And explains a lot.
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  Yeah. The next is Dave Rennie superb,
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  a breath of fresh air after the successful tenant era, Moffat
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  never better this year and Matt was instantly the doctor
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  obviously the sort of a comments going in another Direction.
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  It started off with all the bad stuff and got all the crap out
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  the way to start with. We started with the outlier as
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  we're leading people into the warmth of the light in the wall
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  Target. Yes, I'm on Tony's Autumn don't
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  squeak. It's too bad with me.
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  It's immediately looks more expensive with those new cameras
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  and fresh visuals. The hit rate is still the same,
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  but the highs are really high. Oh, what did you say?
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  What does that mean? They write a story.
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  So the proportion of good Wars it right before.
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  Oh very very good point. It could be like two a year, you
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  know? Next is Paul Quinn.
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  I meant to be an expert on fairy tales seriously, but I don't
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  know what fairy tale means here. Apart from Amy, and Rory being
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  punished for having sex. That's very fairy tale.
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  Maybe it's like Gothic and season 14, a repeated mean but
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  with little reason our say so small.
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  Oh Dan Hollingsworth says lovely mother had plenty of time to
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  plan it and ensure it made sense with characters.
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  We could care about shame. His other Seasons didn't work.
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  Nearly as well, Dan Hollingsworth.
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  Did you watch this season? Make sure it makes sense.
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  Did you don't make the end of this makes stupid?
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  Make it perfect sense. Yeah very youth because me Paul
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  dies. Say you exist fuck off.
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  Makes sense. It will be, will be explaining
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  the entry. Okay, please tell me the logic
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  of magic. 12. Oh yes, it makes sense.
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  Okay. And last up, we've got Charlie
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  Barnes The Moffat ear gets off to a flying start with a funny.
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  Scary Whimsical. Tragic, beautiful, modern, fairy
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  tale. Is it any Wonder Smith and
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  Julian went on to bigger things that simply amazing here.
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  It's a visual treat to one of the very best seasons of the
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  modern era. Words in my mouth.
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  Yeah, right back to get into the story.
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  He has the new come up. Please pick your story from all
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  tan and give us the reasons why you're championing or condemning
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  it. Where to begin?
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  I'm going to start. With the vampires of Venice.
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  Okay. In traffic is literally.
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  No one will have seen that coming.
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  No. And I'm going to kill you over a
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  done with it and I get the feeling we're gonna this, you
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  know. So just so everyone listening
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  knows at the start of the show. We've all just met Joe and I are
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  friends. This is all going to change.
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  What you're going to hear over the next couple of hours.
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  You calling me your friend when you were doing that thing.
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  I wasn't saying, words Joe, it was, it was more.
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  Oh yeah. But now I fear, you know, this
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  could be the end vampire. I think vampires Venice is the
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  high point in the series in terms of the amount of ADR so
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  much ADR in this series and so much of it in this episode.
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  He gave Joe A Commentary there. When you said I can't really be
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  going there. I just I did it to making this
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  drink. Yeah, it's so this is the first
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  or rather, a scene from this is the very first bit of Matt
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  Smith. I saw probably the same for most
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  of us, it was on, I think Jonathan Ross, one night.
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  There was a clip of mass Smith in the, in the sort of basement
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  with the vampires and he does that whole glorious.
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  Tell me the whole plan thing which didn't work but it was
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  instantly sort of charming and lovely, and I thought, oh, this,
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  this young kid, who I've never previously, heard of, he's
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  already much more sort of alien and eccentric and, and time
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  lordly than that last guy who We've only just really got rid
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  of oh my God. And so vampires of Venice was
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  special for that reason for the effects, for the kind of throw
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  away, you know? It's it's enough.
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  Nothing, he kind of story, we don't need it.
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  It's not essential, but it's fun, and it's so much more
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  engaging fun, I thought. So that's, that's my main
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  reasons. There are.
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  There are downsides to it Francesco.
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  Looks really rapey, it's not the comedy.
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  However, the comedy is magnificent and I just think
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  this is For some people, this is the weakest one of the bunch and
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  if this is the weakest one, what a great Bunch.
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  It must be proved me wrong. This is in no way the weakest
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  episode of the area. Should we go to the comments?
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  Jim Allenby said I loved it at first.
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  I'm a bit iffy on it. Now it looks gorgeous but don't
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  you see GI lets it down as well as yet another finale.
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  With the doctor going up a bloody Tower.
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  Andy Parkinson, says, another middling Story.
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  The vampires are scary. The setting iconic, but it just
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  doesn't move me in it. The fabulous Nemesis that is
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  good, but I can't even say his name is say, he's not much of a
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  nemesis to be, I can't even bring myself says, my name, the
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  beautiful phrase of Gregory says a midseason soft reboot to
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  launch the new companion. Roaring are such, it looks
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  great, but it's a little lightweight others should steal
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  the show, but he's up against Helen McCrory.
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  So he's got no Chums. Oh gorgeous, isn't she?
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  James had been Bennett. I still don't know what that
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  ending where Venice full silent is all about tolerable at best,
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  but been because of the ending and another monster with bad
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  bunny teeth while spices and okay, run around, Rory makes a
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  strong start, but it's a story. I don't revisit John cook a
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  great story that follows that flies under the radar due to how
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  brilliant so much around. It is the much missed Helen
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  McCrory shines and the setting and themes work, very well.
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  Big Orange. Michael says, some solid scenes
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  that don't quite go into a complete hole.
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  I still like to great deal though.
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  It's not one often Revisited, Jason Thompson, a good one.
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  Roy actually gets the show, he's far more than the rather wet
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  boyfriend with the first episode reading up on the staff.
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  Taking the doctor's task, but still getting into the spirit of
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  Adventure, being happy to be invited to travel more and he
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  was, the series goes off in a New Direction with the first
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  stumbling steps of the Doctor. Amy, Rory Trio credit Smith and
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  darvel for playing it. So beautifully, ditto Helen
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  McCrory. A clever Twist on a vampire
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  story, which deserves a slightly better climax.
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  Shola. Well, it's his Doctor Who meets
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  Hammer Studios. Great villain great standoff
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  with the doctor Rory joins the crew and I actually like him
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  Koya says a third wheel Romance, the dogs are having a gripping
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  verbal, sparring session with a great character across a body of
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  water self-sacrifice drawing explosion?
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  Is this school reunion all over again?
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  Occasionally, visually engaging, but I feel it's got the least
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  new up to say of everything in Moffitt's.
• 24:34
  Debut year, crash dummy, says fun, but slight not.
• 24:37
  Gothic enough to work but Smith has more sizzling chemistry with
• 24:41
  Macquarie in one scene. Oh yes.
• 24:44
  That he does with Kingston in three years.
• 24:47
  I'm finally, the lovely, Michael storm says random button you
• 24:53
  Decent enough, despite some shit.
• 24:55
  CJ Monsters, the titular. Vampires aren't well enough
• 24:58
  defined but the real stories between the doctor and his
• 25:01
  Armour, who's not announced an outfit on, but has believed in
• 25:04
  motivation. So next, I would say next so
• 25:09
  that season sort of mediocre but Ian's trumpet.
• 25:13
  So Ian are you going to support that?
• 25:16
  Ian Gareth, I'm losing the plot already.
• 25:18
  Oh, Ian Gareth, who are you? Well, there's a couple of things
• 25:23
  to this one, isn't there? So I agree with James's comments
• 25:28
  about the fact that the whole silence at the end piece doesn't
• 25:32
  make any sense nor does really why the sister of the water even
• 25:37
  remembers the silence driving them from their Planet.
• 25:39
  But hey yeah, let's just go with the shell.
• 25:41
  We like everything else on top of this, then you've got the
• 25:45
  fact Oh, the doctor's reaction to vampires.
• 25:51
  They're the mortal enemies of the time.
• 25:52
  Lords is the last of the time. Lords, is this really the
• 25:55
  reaction of a responsible person?
• 25:57
  You know, based on what we've seen before?
• 25:59
  We know it's their moral duty to deal with them and he like a
• 26:04
  Butler's Not a fan of the classic who I've ever say, like
• 26:09
  he doesn't know about it. I just, he's just a little
• 26:13
  consistency because I actually like the costumes and the
• 26:18
  location in this one again. You know, coming back to what I
• 26:20
  said at the top, this series is very Sumptuous in the way it
• 26:24
  looks. And the way it feels, I think
• 26:27
  the inclusion of Rory is Jew because like Joe I just want to
• 26:32
  throttle Amy. I can't stand her and I think
• 26:35
  Rory actually outs both Matt Smith and Karen Gillian
• 26:38
  throughout this series. And I think it comes to a head
• 26:41
  in this, when he talked about how the dangerous the doctor is
• 26:46
  Because he makes people want to impress him and it's we're
• 26:49
  experiencing. The danger of the situations
• 26:52
  that were in through Rory's eyes.
• 26:53
  Quite literally, it's in Jeopardy.
• 26:54
  He wants to step into Amy, rather name.
• 26:56
  He being sold off to these Folk. It's wonderful.
• 27:00
  I want to keep this one. Wow.
• 27:04
  Joe. This is depressingly traditional
• 27:09
  and I think it shows Amy absolute worst.
• 27:13
  I am not keen on the vampire despite the fact that I know it
• 27:17
  looks beautiful, it was filmed in Croatia, it looks absolutely
• 27:20
  stunning. The music is great in this as
• 27:23
  well. I think like all the surface
• 27:24
  stuff Is great, but it wants to be a comedy and it wants to be a
• 27:30
  tragedy and it doesn't succeed as a comedy, and it doesn't
• 27:33
  exactly does a tragedy or whatever it doesn't succeed as a
• 27:37
  comedy because do we enjoy watching?
• 27:40
  Nice people being bullies on Doctor Who because that's
• 27:43
  effectively. What we see in this episode.
• 27:45
  Amy is so horrible to Rory in this.
• 27:48
  She knows how much he loved her. And yet she goes, oh, I'll
• 27:53
  pretend to be someone could pretend to be my boyfriend.
• 27:55
  Oh, the doctor rather and the even though he's just right
• 27:58
  there in front of the at that point, I was like, you know what
• 28:01
  you bitch, the wedding is off. The doctor jumps out the cake at
• 28:06
  the start of the episode and goes, oh, you're you're feeling
• 28:09
  so try to kiss me, it's just horrible.
• 28:12
  What is more fit doing? How is this anyway to get us to
• 28:15
  one like Amy and to enjoy these character at the end of the
• 28:18
  episode where she's like, and, and this is what's really kills
• 28:22
  me about this is that Rory is coming along in the hardest, the
• 28:26
  whole seniors about Amy, she's like, oh, I've got my boys, I've
• 28:30
  got my Tardis. It's All About Me me.
• 28:32
  Fuck off. All right, this isn't about you.
• 28:35
  You had your intro story. He's so obsessed with his Linda
• 28:39
  de character of this season, that Rory is.
• 28:42
  He's just a side note and it's so it's so awkward.
• 28:45
  So the comedy doesn't work because Frankly.
• 28:50
  He's being abused and that's not nice to watch the tragedy
• 28:54
  doesn't work because the fish people in this are somehow less
• 28:58
  memorable than the fish people that were in the underwater
• 29:01
  Menace. Like what is there to these
• 29:04
  people are? I don't care about their
• 29:05
  backstory. I think Helen McCrory gives a
• 29:08
  good performance but it is like is also surface.
• 29:11
  There's just nothing. Interesting happening with that
• 29:13
  race of Fish. And thank you very much.
• 29:17
  And CGI is terrible. Isn't it?
• 29:19
  When, when she becomes sufficient, it's like they're
• 29:23
  snapping. Jaws of the seizure.
• 29:24
  It's just awful. And the thing I another thing I
• 29:27
  really hate about this is we're climbing up Towers again at the
• 29:31
  end of the just like we did in the dialects.
• 29:33
  Take Manhattan just like we did in the idiot's Lantern.
• 29:36
  It never works. It never convinces.
• 29:38
  It's going for spectacle over brains.
• 29:40
  So I just don't think on any level apart from the money, they
• 29:44
  throw at the screen that this episode works, it is utterly
• 29:48
  forgettable and irritating beer. Well, it's not gonna get Bingo,
• 29:54
  because I'm gonna put this through as well because along
• 29:57
  with Ian and garroth three positive voices of vampires
• 30:01
  Manus. You like watching men being
• 30:03
  bullied then, I don't think he's been bullied.
• 30:05
  Absolutely, she's about with him.
• 30:08
  Like let's just leave it. There she is.
• 30:10
  She jealous of profoundly annoying.
• 30:14
  Why? I'll give you a bit of that.
• 30:18
  Yeah, but I'm still putting it through because I enjoy this and
• 30:21
  look, this is where things start to shift is next.
• 30:24
  We're heading into the second half of the Season.
• 30:26
  Rory, is now Central. I would say from this point
• 30:29
  onwards, whether it's by his performance, or by his absence,
• 30:32
  and that's signaled in the cold open because obviously we get to
• 30:35
  reseat Rory, if the first time since the opening up, so, But
• 30:40
  obviously we've got those early scenes first of all, to set up
• 30:43
  the lament and I think they're really good things.
• 30:45
  I get I buy into this story straight away, we got Guido
• 30:48
  bringing his daughter to get enrolled into Rosanna school, I
• 30:52
  think straight away. It's got quite a unique feel to
• 30:54
  it because of those lovely beautiful, spacious locations.
• 30:57
  And the thing that location is really do help Elevate, that
• 31:00
  story and established appear at the way.
• 31:02
  It's not necessary. Most beautiful place in the
• 31:06
  world. Yeah, just around the corner.
• 31:08
  They could afford to go to them this, or they would be thousands
• 31:12
  of people in shots. I still think they sell this
• 31:14
  pretty well as a medieval family, okay, I also think that
• 31:19
  early opening scene. There's so many little double
• 31:22
  meanings going on going on there and Helen McCrory is playing it
• 31:26
  up. She's got some campus going on.
• 31:28
  So she's got a twinkle in our. I think she gives a brilliant
• 31:31
  performance. So, you know, everything she's
• 31:33
  saying there's more than meets the eye.
• 31:35
  So Guido obviously tells Rosanna, he wants to ensure his
• 31:38
  daughter's prospects. And Rosanna says, oh yeah, I
• 31:41
  believe them protecting. I believe protecting the future
• 31:44
  of One's Own is a sacred Duty and she's looking at some
• 31:47
  Franciscan you assume that same you don't know, she's protecting
• 31:51
  all the sudden, there's a waiting out there and the canal
• 31:53
  and then similarly, you know, we don't thanks her and says all,
• 31:57
  you know, my daughter is my world and again results then we
• 31:59
  will take your world. And again you kind of know that
• 32:02
  some more going on Guido assumes, that means they're
• 32:05
  going to accept his daughter into school.
• 32:06
  She means, oh no. We gonna feed us to some fish
• 32:09
  vampires. As you do what is that alien
• 32:12
  race Beyond? Oh, we're just playing the
• 32:15
  silence. They're trying to repopulate,
• 32:17
  they're trying to Repopulate that population with all waiting
• 32:21
  on this planet, which is covered with clear people, but he's also
• 32:27
  largely water and they are water-based creatures.
• 32:30
  So you know, just to go to your butt.
• 32:33
  What to learn about this species?
• 32:34
  Nothing. They are so ill-defined.
• 32:38
  They aren't the most. Filled out Doctor Who monsters
• 32:43
  we've ever had. I will give, I will give you
• 32:46
  that, but a lot of that is because we're getting time to
• 32:49
  get to know. Rory, I think they're almost the
• 32:51
  Beast story. Rory, is more the, a story here
• 32:54
  because he's like, coming into it.
• 32:55
  I'm sell this on that for me, please.
• 32:57
  Hi, I'm gonna sell it. It's terrible.
• 33:00
  I think Rory plays this really well.
• 33:04
  He starts off as buffoon, absolutely, in that opening
• 33:07
  scene. He's okay, slightly drunk, I
• 33:10
  just staged. Oh, but when he phones Amy and
• 33:12
  says, oh, you're smashing. We know what is like, we can
• 33:15
  just imagine Amy's face when she gets that voicemail and he's
• 33:18
  calling us smashing. She's not gonna take to that too
• 33:21
  well, but I think throughout the course of the episode, he shows
• 33:24
  as much more to him. And I think he shows us even
• 33:26
  just in this episode. He's worthy of me and he's
• 33:29
  worthy of being a companion. Joe, I can see your itching
• 33:31
  together. Can I ask you a question?
• 33:33
  Go friend, if somebody at your stag do.
• 33:36
  Yeah. Jumped out.
• 33:37
  Okay, and said to, you know what your husband to be Try to kiss
• 33:42
  me last night. How do you feel about that?
• 33:45
  I don't think I would be in orderly I just have you still
• 33:51
  married that man if you try to cheat on you the day I think
• 33:54
  there would be some serious conversation.
• 33:55
  Yeah he just goes along Coco dude.
• 33:59
  Oh me Amy. It's just Should we get out the
• 34:03
  way now? That whole Sexy, we will be
• 34:05
  coming back to it, but that whole sex scene in flesh and
• 34:09
  stone. No, no, please please we well,
• 34:12
  we will cover that later. We want, we want to forget that.
• 34:14
  We would like to forget. We will not be getting that.
• 34:18
  But Rory, I think Rory works really well, and this he's
• 34:21
  Brave. He's resourceful, he fights from
• 34:23
  Cisco with a broom, you know, he's standing up, he stands up
• 34:27
  for himself, as people have already said he challenges the
• 34:29
  doctor, he calls the doctor out on his bulshit and I like it at
• 34:33
  the end when he comes to join and I actually Joe, well, you
• 34:35
  saying Amy is trying to make, you know, him jealous and make
• 34:39
  him look how cold did she call him.
• 34:42
  She's the one that invites him on both the Tardis and she on
• 34:46
  him and she's happy when he does come on all the time, just
• 34:49
  washes the idea that she's lusting after him.
• 34:53
  Let me just cut it here. Oh, she did was like go for a
• 34:57
  snug now that's a very very what it did on that bed.
• 35:00
  She tries to show him on that if that's cheating then good.
• 35:08
  Lord, thank you. Didn't reciprocate.
• 35:11
  Exactly, please, please don't tell me that makes the same
• 35:16
  there because No, no, it's get there.
• 35:19
  It's the Bill Clinton defense. It's just My last reason for
• 35:26
  putting this through to move on, quickly is the location we
• 35:28
  touched on it already. It looks beautiful.
• 35:30
  It's mixed with shots from kafali Castle and Castle, cock
• 35:33
  in Wales as well. So, that's, I know.
• 35:36
  Do you like my little bit of scotch is row on car?
• 35:39
  I didn't want to just say castle cock, I could do but it was just
• 35:42
  too easy. Okay, I'd love to go into Castle
• 35:47
  cock. Yes, please.
• 35:47
  But I mean, the architecture that we see on show, it's
• 35:52
  beautiful. So quite cold and scary.
• 35:54
  So yeah, this is this is absolutely going through.
• 35:56
  Well, just like the three of you are very easily impressed.
• 36:02
  Gareth. My lawns.
• 36:08
  Hurry to Champion or condemned. Can I just like, Gareth Barry
• 36:11
  just for a moment. Yeah.
• 36:13
  Remember after play the game right?
• 36:14
  Remember us play the game because they're gonna put this
• 36:17
  through so she's like terrible. Can I just interrupt quickly as
• 36:22
  well? Gareth, that's a really nice bow
• 36:23
  tie. Thank you.
• 36:24
  I made the other got it. I've never worn it.
• 36:27
  I thought I would wear it for tonight.
• 36:28
  Well, okay. No, I could you flourish it like
• 36:32
  about Smith? I've got a legend.
• 36:35
  Drop it, right? Then, which one shall we get out
• 36:40
  of the way? Let me see.
• 36:42
  Let me see. Well, as we went to vampires in
• 36:47
  Venice, shall we go to another V?
• 36:49
  Shall we have the Daleks? A what do we think that sounds
• 36:53
  like a good place to go to Fabulous.
• 36:55
  So I am going to vote to bend this one. it's a story of two
• 37:03
  halves, quite literally the BBC's version of Wrath of Khan
• 37:07
  where the folk on Earth, never meet the bad guys that are in
• 37:09
  this other than through some kind of monitor its It feels
• 37:14
  like it should be good because it's set during the war and you
• 37:17
  haven't got many stories that are set during the war.
• 37:19
  There's even an expectation because we had the empty child
• 37:21
  that actually, this could be a really, really good piece of
• 37:24
  drama and actually what it ends up being, is he a McNeese out
• 37:28
  acting everyone around it? and drawing everyone in towards
• 37:32
  him playing this, very cuddly version of Winston, Churchill,
• 37:34
  which I think is perfectly appropriate for the level of
• 37:38
  show on the family viewing audience that it's aimed at
• 37:40
  rather than going for a Gary Oldman complete Recreation of
• 37:43
  what her Churchill's actually like, But it means that Paul
• 37:46
  Matt Smith gets dropped into the background well and truly, and
• 37:49
  comes off. Extremely unlikable.
• 37:52
  Bearing in mind, this is only his third story.
• 37:54
  He's in it whenever he shouted about the darks or Hitler with a
• 37:57
  massive spanner. You know, just just comes up for
• 38:02
  so unlikable. Um and then you've got Daleks
• 38:09
  themselves. Oh dear, oh what, what can I say
• 38:15
  about the Daleks bubble? Ah, that is bubble bath.
• 38:21
  They're multicolored and I'm color blind.
• 38:23
  That's the only saving grace. I've got, they are absolutely
• 38:27
  Dreadful and you can, you can see the fact that they just
• 38:30
  don't work, they don't know how to shoot them.
• 38:33
  They haven't figured that out. They've got, we've got some
• 38:34
  money. We haven't got enough Daleks,
• 38:36
  let's buy some Daleks all. Let's get these, let's make him
• 38:38
  look better. And I think even Steven Moffat
• 38:41
  in this. The brilliant book of Doctor,
• 38:43
  Who 2011 backtracks on the Daleks and there were never
• 38:47
  designed to actually replace a Daleks outright there.
• 38:50
  Were only supposed to bolster their ranks.
• 38:51
  Bulshit, you don't want to do that for that.
• 38:57
  You are just replacing them out, right?
• 38:59
  Because you want your own stamp on it so that it's yours and
• 39:01
  it's all your toys, they will sell toys.
• 39:03
  That's I know me Dad, and we're going to be really finicky, that
• 39:08
  I would get up and get my two remote control, Daleks one of
• 39:10
  which work one of which no longer works and never really
• 39:13
  worked when I first got it. And it's one of the fat legs
• 39:16
  that doesn't work. Oh, I was about to say you
• 39:19
  bought one. Oh no, no, he didn't.
• 39:22
  That's just, it didn't work. No, I mean, the plan worked to
• 39:25
  sell your merchandise when distribution means.
• 39:28
  It doesn't move the other one, the Supreme Dalek or he goes off
• 39:31
  like crazy. I still miss the cat with it
• 39:32
  today but that's not the point because we're talking about
• 39:35
  victory of the Daleks. It's not a victory.
• 39:37
  It's a very poor travesty and it should wave the flag for
• 39:40
  surrender. As we took it out into space and
• 39:44
  Escape just like The Darlings do at the very end with their tails
• 39:47
  between their eggs. Although kudos to the Daleks for
• 39:49
  designing, a robot that's got abs.
• 39:51
  Where's their victory at this? I'm really confused, just like,
• 39:54
  got away. But for one thing, it's just
• 39:57
  like, oh, they're just rattles when the victory, was getting
• 40:05
  the doctor to identify them. So, they were able to regenerate
• 40:08
  their entire species into a new large plastic grippy form.
• 40:11
  Oh, God, almost afraid. That is the plot.
• 40:17
  Oh, Dora Bella. Let's do it.
• 40:22
  Let's start with Mark. Donaldson should be lauded for
• 40:25
  not doing the obvious nuts. Is college mashup, but still
• 40:29
  it's a bit of a mess. The Antigravity spacefaring
• 40:33
  Spitfires, just needed a line or two of dialogue to make them
• 40:36
  work. Also the lickable Ikea dialects
• 40:39
  or what happens when your design team don't bother to watch the
• 40:41
  Cushing movies. Weakest of the series that's
• 40:44
  cushion. Movie dialogues.
• 40:46
  Are gorgeous. Hmm.
• 40:47
  Imagine if they just brought those in.
• 40:50
  It could have worked David. Let's be proud says, this was
• 40:53
  followed up by a big doll expect tacular with us in the new
• 40:56
  paradigm in four force. It might have made it
• 40:58
  worthwhile. Instead, we get a slight power
• 41:01
  retread with an incredibly flaccid conclusion.
• 41:05
  Now, if you only put floss in because, you know, Joe would
• 41:08
  read it out, Jim Allenby says, the first half is really good
• 41:12
  and then it just drops off a cliff with Hideous, bubble gum
• 41:16
  Daleks at terrible, Dalek ship in Syria and an excruciatingly
• 41:19
  long scene with bracewell. That dilution here, they don't
• 41:23
  even attempt to dress up that warehouse.
• 41:25
  It's terribly, looking at the air conditioning overhead, just
• 41:31
  think it's not even as a set, it's not even quite tall enough
• 41:35
  to house, the new Daleks. So men with clipboards just off
• 41:39
  to the side. You see how much they've been
• 41:41
  they need air conditioning, says, kind of enjoy this one
• 41:46
  though, the doctor being friends with Churchill, doesn't sit,
• 41:48
  right love to call back to. I am your soldier and Bill.
• 41:51
  Patterson is great as bracewell. If you can ignore the plate and
• 41:55
  lost our job, it's an enjoyable story.
• 41:57
  James hadwin Bennett says, oh, for Mass a timeline, that's less
• 42:01
  likely than the one in seeds of death.
• 42:03
  Please share upon, please show with the robot scientist, a wet.
• 42:06
  Oh, right, Wingers wet. Dream of Churchill.
• 42:09
  As a cuddly hair and utterly nonsensical crap about pure
• 42:13
  darling's been it. I don't really know how he feels
• 42:16
  about know. I don't hurry very subtle
• 42:18
  Crescent. So the first 10 minutes I was
• 42:21
  thinking, this is more like it proper devious Daleks riffing on
• 42:25
  power. Then it knows, dies faster than
• 42:27
  the Spitfire. The robot that thought it was
• 42:29
  human. And as, for the fat bottom
• 42:31
  rainbow Darlings, oh, that's a great name for Jason Thompson
• 42:36
  says, oh dear but not good, but the Ironside dial looks look
• 42:40
  amazing. And the moment just after the
• 42:41
  doctor attacks, the Dalek and kicks to cross the room.
• 42:44
  When it's silently drops, the facade and just turns around to
• 42:47
  face him is remarkably chilling. However, the space Spitfires are
• 42:51
  totally on sensible and the Power Ranger Daleks look, bloody
• 42:55
  awful. I couldn't believe it.
• 42:56
  When they brought those bit fast back at a good mango, it's the
• 42:59
  War. I was like, why you repeat it in
• 43:01
  the same mistakes from last year.
• 43:03
  John Arnold says, perhaps an energetic misstep, the eyes are
• 43:08
  gorgeous, but the new design makes the Cardinal error of
• 43:10
  messing with the classic silhouette racist through too
• 43:14
  much plot in 20 minutes leaving the second half a bit empty.
• 43:17
  Big Orange, Michael says an underrated story at least for
• 43:20
  the first half. I laughed up the loan.
• 43:22
  Darling, as a servant to humanity.
• 43:24
  The second half goes off the rails, but keep it here in a lot
• 43:28
  of the same thing here about the first off the second off.
• 43:30
  Oh Quinn. The new darling's are a big
• 43:33
  Brave experiment that doesn't quite Work.
• 43:35
  Big shout out to the Pricks online who recently denounced
• 43:38
  that this was because it was Pro.
• 43:40
  Churchill. What did they expect historical
• 43:42
  set in Bengal during the 1943 famine?
• 43:45
  Good luck picture, not to the BBC, take the soft patch racism
• 43:50
  in the spirit in which it is offered.
• 43:52
  And finally, Michael storm says, if this is seen as a homage to
• 43:55
  matinee World, War 2 films, it works.
• 43:57
  We have the perceived image of Churchill and picture postcard
• 44:00
  images of Blitz, London. However, it doesn't stand up to
• 44:03
  close scrutiny and is very much style over substance.
• 44:06
  So he looks Michael stole my Nemesis.
• 44:10
  He does, like all the crap that heel is the style over
• 44:16
  substance. Are you going to Champion this
• 44:18
  one? Don't say, please.
• 44:20
  I'm, I'll come to that in a second.
• 44:23
  I watched it. Suspecting that of all the
• 44:26
  episodes in season 5. This was one that I could maybe
• 44:29
  bear to see cast into the Everlasting fires of Hell or
• 44:33
  wherever we put Amy's crack. Amy crack.
• 44:38
  I'm not know. We've determined that.
• 44:40
  Okay? Okay.
• 44:44
  Even so, hmm. Here, I think the performance of
• 44:49
  in McNeese has not aged well, like 14 years ago, it was quite
• 44:54
  a nice fun, take on Churchill. But actually, it's just a little
• 44:58
  bit grotesque and full of I suppose the expression is told
• 45:03
  records the way he just, you know, he and just and with the
• 45:08
  cigar and, you know, grabs the lapel.
• 45:11
  And you just think, oh, shut up. And the logic floor for me in
• 45:15
  the script, and there's always a logic floor with Gates.
• 45:17
  There's always a logic floor. And so, all the lights, come on
• 45:21
  in London, in the middle of the night and someone says, oh no,
• 45:25
  the Germans can see us and their bombers will be here in 10
• 45:28
  minutes. During that 10 minutes, they
• 45:32
  build and launch Spitfires into space that can take out the
• 45:36
  darling ship with pilots, who they presumably trained during
• 45:40
  that 10 minute window as well. They've got Android working for
• 45:44
  them, you know, even so and it's a lovely Android.
• 45:47
  It really except, you know, you can, when he has his hand shot
• 45:49
  off, you can see still got a full length of arm tucked in his
• 45:53
  sleep. So it's at once brilliantly
• 45:55
  realized yet still quite poor, and he Yeah, I like I tolerated
• 46:04
  it at the time. I thought this is a this is one
• 46:07
  of the better gaiter scripts to be fair, but looking at it now
• 46:10
  as a as a cold middle aged dead inside, kind of guy know, it's
• 46:16
  it's not worth saving binit. Much like going next to keep the
• 46:20
  tension up. So Joe that you can you can have
• 46:22
  the customer vote because you like this one, I rather like
• 46:26
  this. Yeah, I thought you might, I'm
• 46:27
  gonna stand up for this one cuz I knew this was gonna get an
• 46:30
  absolute kicking. So I thought, fuck the lot of
• 46:33
  you. I'm gonna stand up for this one.
• 46:34
  I think taking up face value as a bit of Escapist sustained.
• 46:40
  I entertainment. This is pretty good.
• 46:43
  Underrated fun mixing together. Power of the Daleks best Star
• 46:46
  Wars better. If I Robot bit of world war, two
• 46:48
  movies, Cushing movies are playing in their darkest hour.
• 46:52
  So it's already had a call out It's not the greatest.
• 46:55
  It's not going to win any awards.
• 46:56
  Let's be on us. It's probably going to go in the
• 46:58
  bin any minute now is going to disappear up Amy's crack.
• 47:01
  You don't you? I'm gonna find something that I
• 47:04
  quite like about. So the first thing I want to
• 47:07
  talk about though is Churchill. Now, lots of people complain
• 47:11
  about this because they say Churchill's two cuddly in this
• 47:13
  and his truck recording. Lots of key areas is shall we
• 47:17
  say probably questionable at best?
• 47:19
  I don't think Gates is unaware of that fact.
• 47:21
  So the depiction we got Churchill here is not totally
• 47:25
  Summit size. No Grand speech here where the
• 47:28
  doctor extols Churchill's virtues or whitewashes away or
• 47:32
  kind of unsavory bits of his ideology.
• 47:35
  The only thing that doctor says is you're a Beacon of Hope.
• 47:37
  And actually at the time this is set that is a pretty fair
• 47:41
  comment. It's more busy May at one point,
• 47:45
  he's my good night. Churchill way, go racism.
• 47:50
  I don't mean, I don't think we go straight quite into that
• 47:55
  territory. I mean the Daleks and Churchill,
• 47:58
  right? I mean they should have been
• 47:59
  working together. You have there are as I said
• 48:03
  there are some questionable sides to church.
• 48:05
  Oh I don't think we could though.
• 48:08
  We see that he's quite ruthless. He's you know, he's desperate to
• 48:11
  get the Tardis cave. He talks about.
• 48:12
  You know, if Hitler invaded hell, I'd give a favorable
• 48:15
  reference to the devil. He's not painted as a totally
• 48:19
  good man. We see he's quite ruthless, we
• 48:21
  see single minded as say the doctor.
• 48:23
  The doctor says he is a friend but he doesn't totally pick him
• 48:28
  up that much. He is completely bloody minded
• 48:31
  because he knows the doctor, they are allegedly friends as
• 48:34
  you say. But he completely ignores all
• 48:36
  the doctors, lots of stations about the Daleks and just
• 48:38
  carries on us. He wants to do It's also
• 48:42
  interesting. I think Churchill doesn't play
• 48:44
  any direct role in resolving the plot.
• 48:46
  That's left to doctor and Amy a bit of an oversight.
• 48:50
  I would say, no, that's not about Churchill, it's about
• 48:53
  victory that extra. But the point is, they're not
• 48:56
  making him out to be this Grand, cuddly hero, that everyone
• 49:00
  criticizes this for, I think Beyond this.
• 49:02
  There are some problems when characters are options, start
• 49:05
  making a cuddly action, figure of Churchill and big finish.
• 49:09
  Start streaming out the Churchill boxer, volume 29, I
• 49:14
  think then we start getting into problematic stuff, but this
• 49:17
  story just on its own does not sanitized Churchill.
• 49:20
  So I just want to put that out. That start with The second thing
• 49:25
  I like about this is, I think there is one great scene here
• 49:28
  and it's where visually, where they introduced The Garlic
• 49:31
  Paradigm. So when we first see them?
• 49:34
  Yes, the ship, they're on is fucking terrible.
• 49:36
  I'm not going to try and defend that.
• 49:37
  However, when we first get the five Daleks coming out of the
• 49:41
  progenitor device, we got swirling, dry ice and lightning
• 49:44
  everywhere. Not sure why there's lightning
• 49:46
  in a ship, but let's just, Let's Just Go With It.
• 49:49
  Visually, that looks great and we've got Murray Gold's music.
• 49:53
  It's got really bombastic score to introduce them.
• 49:56
  The dialects are shot load down to accentuate that height, we
• 49:59
  see them only from the front, thank God.
• 50:01
  So when we see them from the back, there are Travis day but
• 50:04
  we see them from the front. We find out there's an eternal
• 50:07
  on a strategist. All sounds really, really
• 50:09
  excited. The first thing they do is
• 50:10
  exterminate the impure. I inside very dark, okay?
• 50:14
  Bye. I just think that opening scene
• 50:16
  with the five of them coming into shot.
• 50:18
  I just think that's quite quite The interest a good.
• 50:22
  Good Alex though but none of them thought to shoot the doctor
• 50:27
  as soon as they came out. Well, that's because he's
• 50:29
  holding a jammie Dodger in their being tricked.
• 50:32
  I do forget that a lot of to be fair the last 60 years.
• 50:35
  Yeah, that one that did it in stolen Earth.
• 50:39
  If he hadn't been blown up, either been like yes on the one
• 50:43
  that got busted but he's holding up the Jamie do so he's kind of
• 50:46
  holding him around. So I think that is a great
• 50:49
  introduction to this new dialogue race.
• 50:51
  And as some of the comments, some of the listeners said, it's
• 50:54
  a shame kind of, they didn't go on and make something of them,
• 50:56
  but they couldn't, because they look bloody terrible supposed to
• 50:59
  be a debate. Gareth, you could interrupt if
• 51:01
  you like, it was just gonna say back to the jammie Dodgers.
• 51:02
  This Darlings have got Sensors. How can they not tell what a
• 51:06
  small biscuit is he no jammie Dodgers on that play.
• 51:22
  They could still work out what the combination if the Dalek
• 51:24
  sensors are as good and is improved as these Paradigm,
• 51:27
  Daleks, allegedly are, then presumably, they can work out.
• 51:30
  The constituent parts of a jammie Dodger.
• 51:33
  Is it actually a dummy Dodger? Is it one of those fires?
• 51:36
  Janice our bloody love jammie Dodgers and they ruined him for
• 51:40
  me in this episode. If you can't tell the difference
• 51:43
  between the office truck button and a jammie Dodger, you don't
• 51:47
  want to be a supreme race, but it was a marvelous expensive me
• 51:50
  daughter and they taste the difference.
• 51:51
  So, there's a difference. So this, if you're a little
• 51:56
  green blob of pure hatred and case in a solid metal travel
• 52:00
  unit, you don't have a, you might have a mouth but you can't
• 52:03
  get anything into it. Would you talk to yourself by
• 52:05
  learning about the intricacies and the majesty and the glory of
• 52:08
  biscuits? Or would you just not scan any
• 52:11
  of that because it's only going to upset you?
• 52:12
  I can understand why the dialects have never embraced
• 52:15
  baked goods. But you remember in darling,
• 52:18
  where that darling sucked in the entire Key of the internet and
• 52:23
  all knowledge on all of human coins, you know, I mean I'm
• 52:27
  assuming each uploaded that to that and they know about
• 52:29
  everything on planet Earth now. But they seem to not know about
• 52:33
  jammie Dodgers. I think, if I think Dalek
• 52:35
  continuity over 60, odd years, I think we find one or two
• 52:39
  inconsistencies, even if we threw this on its head, the
• 52:42
  inability to be able to tell a biscuit item from a piece of
• 52:48
  equipment equipment. Daleks use on their ships even
• 52:52
  though Gareth flight between that, then I'm gonna respect.
• 52:57
  Yeah, the greatest of respect because of see, I have totally
• 53:00
  with you on this series but I think it's supposed to be a
• 53:03
  joke. And it's quite funny.
• 53:06
  It's not a very serious thing. Yeah but it now it was it was a
• 53:15
  Charming moment, it was one of a great number of many such
• 53:19
  Charming moments so that he won't go any.
• 53:22
  Problem, at least. And the last reason I like this,
• 53:27
  I like Amy's appeal to bracelet at the end.
• 53:29
  So you know when they're trying to convince him not to blow up,
• 53:32
  the doctor goes down the traditional route, the kind of
• 53:35
  cliche route, remember your family later find a human.
• 53:38
  I'd say that doesn't work. Amy comes along, Amy's a bit
• 53:41
  different. Amy is a bit left field.
• 53:43
  She says was there anyone you've ever fancy that you shouldn't
• 53:46
  it's the kind of thing that only Amy Pond would ask and it works
• 53:50
  and it saves the day. So good on your way, mate.
• 53:54
  I'm sure she didn't just climb on top of him.
• 53:56
  Like she does everybody else, you know, at least she didn't
• 53:59
  ask me what biscuit he fancied. Oh, so I'm putting it through
• 54:03
  show. Well, you have the casting vote
• 54:05
  after we know where this is going.
• 54:07
  I think we probably saw summarized it as borrowed ideas,
• 54:10
  that do work. That's the first 10 minutes.
• 54:13
  And new ideas that go down like a wet file and I think that's
• 54:17
  fair. I think most of the comments are
• 54:19
  sort of figuring that as well. I do take issue with you.
• 54:22
  Don't think this is cuddly, this version of right.
• 54:25
  This version of just Winston Churchill Down why are you sort
• 54:31
  of cheeks blah blah about and is so clutch in his lapels in a
• 54:36
  very cute heart and all like way and oh, hello everybody keep
• 54:39
  buggering on. It is like the Cabbage Patch
• 54:42
  Kids, Churchill on the screen and to Paul Quinn, if we can do
• 54:47
  racism in family blogs, if we could do racism in Roseau, if we
• 54:52
  can do roses and Dawn bubble, we can do racism in this episode
• 54:56
  and I think it's very important that we actually show that he
• 54:59
  wasn't a nice cuddly uncle and he did have some Dark Shades to
• 55:04
  hear him. And I think it's deeply
• 55:06
  problematic with saying two children that this was a really
• 55:09
  lovely bloke, a water. Secondly, the bubble baths.
• 55:14
  I mean, the easiest thing to get right with the Daleks is the
• 55:17
  proportions, right? I mean, who signed off on this?
• 55:20
  Who looked at the sketches when these things were being made?
• 55:24
  Why didn't someone go? Yeah, that don't look right that
• 55:27
  bit where they come out of the show.
• 55:28
  Hello a couple pillow, right? Lovely.
• 55:30
  Jammie Dodger know. Well um when they come out the
• 55:36
  ship, you think that's coming out on strings, those poor
• 55:39
  fucking operators. Can't move the things.
• 55:41
  That's so big. Oh, it's terrible.
• 55:44
  And when they're all in a line, like that is basically an advert
• 55:47
  for the latest Christmas toy. It's just terrible.
• 55:51
  Yeah. That is like the the first huge
• 55:56
  era of the Moffitt era and they do go back on here and we get a
• 56:00
  dark again in the Pandora open. So we get what that one in the
• 56:04
  Big Bang, but they have to sort of make it all decayed to make
• 56:07
  it. Look at any way interesting or
• 56:09
  menacing and it can't works but they don't work here.
• 56:12
  And yeah, whoever mentioned the Spitfires in space.
• 56:15
  That's my word. Third reason.
• 56:16
  Because it's just so ridiculous and daughter who is full of
• 56:19
  ridiculous ideas. Somehow I can get past the
• 56:22
  movie, being an egg in series a because that's just absurd on a
• 56:26
  level, the Doctor Who already is, but just send partners that
• 56:30
  are just used to flying around the earth into space.
• 56:35
  And for them to be going. Well, Doctor Who are we saved
• 56:38
  the day, what? You're a fucking astronaut.
• 56:41
  Now, are you not amazed at your mother or some leaves you just
• 56:46
  had not making and talk to you. Sorry.
• 56:47
  And this is one Leap too far, please, let's bin this.
• 56:50
  God awful episode. So, I think that probably means
• 56:54
  that victory of the Daleks is the first two four.
• 56:57
  Yeah, who saw that coming. And it's your turn.
• 57:01
  Joe. Pick your first story.
• 57:03
  Oh I'm not ready or what do I go for?
• 57:06
  I would like to Champion what I think is the best, the single
• 57:11
  best episode of the Matt Smith era, and the single best episode
• 57:15
  of the entire Steven Moffat era. Can anyone take a guess?
• 57:20
  Well Victory the darkness is already gone so confused, we're
• 57:24
  doing another FIFA, it's Vincent and the doctor which I just
• 57:29
  think is beautiful. And it's the one episode this
• 57:33
  year. Well, I think Amy Pond is the
• 57:36
  perfect Doctor, Who companion. Rory is out the way.
• 57:39
  So, we're not doing any of that. Horrible awkward slaggy cheating
• 57:44
  rapey, nasty stuff that we've done earlier this season.
• 57:48
  And she suddenly just a person, a person in a story about mental
• 57:53
  health and depression acting in an empathetic and sensitive way.
• 57:59
  And funny way, I just think she's gorgeous in this.
• 58:02
  There's a short of Karen Gillan, with the sunflowers behind her,
• 58:07
  in her red top. It's like a piece of art.
• 58:09
  She looks absolutely beautiful. If I have been given that Amy
• 58:14
  all year, I would have been in heaven.
• 58:17
  Unfortunately, Richard Curtis didn't write the rest of the
• 58:20
  season, so never mind. It was a brilliant choice to
• 58:23
  bring him in and him and Simon. And I to choose us Prestige
• 58:27
  writers to come into this season.
• 58:29
  It was just a stroke of Genius that even like Russell tea when
• 58:33
  you try to bring in Stephen Prime but he couldn't make it
• 58:36
  work. But Moffat called in some big
• 58:38
  favorites here and boy, does it pay off?
• 58:41
  I think this is a very emotionally honest story, and it
• 58:46
  finds a way to connect to Children the subject of
• 58:51
  depression in such a sensitive way.
• 58:56
  I'm not entirely sure, I know I'm going to criticize again.
• 58:58
  I'm not entirely sure how we go from genuine heartfelt, raw
• 59:03
  emotion that you get in this episode.
• 59:06
  To the mechanically plotted characterization next year.
• 59:09
  I don't understand how when it works so brilliantly here.
• 59:14
  Why we're not repeating this form?
• 59:15
  I don't want the stories about depression every week.
• 59:17
  Don't get me wrong, but the way it is presented here.
• 59:21
  The scene at the end where Vincent sees all of his work
• 59:24
  playing out the song playing, Amy is reaction to it, all of
• 59:28
  it, it is just peek Doctor Who I'm in tears, every time I watch
• 59:32
  it and I don't cry watching tally, it's just amazing.
• 59:36
  Amazingly good. And it's beautiful to look at as
• 59:40
  well. We're back in Croatia.
• 59:42
  The moment where the sky turns to paint to the pitcher might be
• 59:48
  my favorite moment in the whole of new the way it connects his
• 59:51
  to all of your senses, the beauty of it, the emotional of
• 59:55
  it and just the one on Vince's face in that scene.
• 1:00:00
  It's just beautiful. Um, yeah, it's got gorgeous
• 1:00:04
  location work or just like suffused lighting everywhere.
• 1:00:08
  You know how they managed to find that location?
• 1:00:11
  The looks exactly like that night time.
• 1:00:13
  Cafe Van Gogh picture. I it's just I feel like there's
• 1:00:18
  a level of detail to this. That isn't in some of the other
• 1:00:22
  episodes. This year, a beautiful Murray
• 1:00:24
  gold score, we just tones it down.
• 1:00:26
  You're talking about the music and picture of the dogs which is
• 1:00:28
  all bombast and mad and constantly telling you how to
• 1:00:31
  feel. It's really understated to
• 1:00:33
  school here and he brings you know a superbly shows and song
• 1:00:36
  at the end of it as well. Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  And I think the scene where Matt Smith Smith explains about
• 1:00:44
  Paul's of good stuff and Pals of bad stuff and making sure that
• 1:00:47
  the good stuff is more than the bad stuff.
• 1:00:52
  The way that that explains the idea of depression to a child
• 1:00:55
  that's maybe going through depression.
• 1:00:57
  It may be the most useful educational tool Doctor Who has
• 1:01:02
  ever presented. Maybe borrowed time as well.
• 1:01:06
  Ian to be fair. Yes, we have covered on the book
• 1:01:09
  club which was all about compound interest.
• 1:01:10
  That was an important lesson too.
• 1:01:12
  But this to say, it's okay to not be okay.
• 1:01:17
  But try and find moments where you are, okay?
• 1:01:21
  It's just so brilliant. I just think on every level
• 1:01:24
  Vincent and the doctor is a stunning episode of Doctor Who
• 1:01:27
  and yeah, please can we put this one through?
• 1:01:32
  Well. Your Nemesis Michael store.
• 1:01:35
  Oh sorry. And his comment is oh Christ,
• 1:01:41
  it's Father's Day on steroids. Ottawa, sentimentalism.
• 1:01:46
  Crap monster on that awful song. This needs to get in the fucking
• 1:01:51
  bin. They never had an emotion
• 1:01:53
  because he's a very angry, man. He's an angry man.
• 1:01:56
  He's a very angry, man. Well, hence, the name storm, And
• 1:02:00
  he thinks Nightmare and silver is the best side, Man, story.
• 1:02:03
  James hadwin, Bennett Contender for my least favorite ever
• 1:02:09
  episode, a sanitized purification of inisip.
• 1:02:13
  And while some seem to think this is a good mental, health
• 1:02:15
  story. Absolutely is, I found the
• 1:02:18
  doctors actions to be off the scale of Bismol bin then nuke
• 1:02:22
  the bin. These guys are just working on
• 1:02:24
  different levels, to me, Oscar Groucho, says, my favorite Smith
• 1:02:28
  episode balances. A lot of the year as
• 1:02:30
  preoccupation with perception and the Legacy that names and
• 1:02:33
  titles have within history. Creating a portrait of not only
• 1:02:36
  Mental Illness, but also the importance of understanding and
• 1:02:39
  tolerance, the very same, John Cooks as Simply Beautiful.
• 1:02:43
  Tony, Karen is superb and Matt and Karen compliment his perfect
• 1:02:47
  betrayal of a torches. So as somebody who is very open
• 1:02:50
  about their mental health struggles, I found a messaging
• 1:02:52
  here, spot on the analogy of the profiles, being an invisible
• 1:02:58
  monster. That turns out to be
• 1:02:59
  misunderstood lost. Soul is simply brilliant.
• 1:03:01
  Well, smart says a masterpiece, one of the great stories.
• 1:03:04
  In a fantastic performance, the very moving finale in the art
• 1:03:08
  gallery is particularly memorable.
• 1:03:10
  Daniel Knight says the jewel in the crown of the Matt Smith era.
• 1:03:13
  Oh Tony, Quran is absolutely phenomenal, with great
• 1:03:17
  chemistry. With the two leads, the crevice
• 1:03:19
  is a bizarre creation, but its demise is surprisingly moving.
• 1:03:22
  If this doesn't win, I'll watch the time monster God.
• 1:03:25
  I mean, I'm not that serious. Then for Daniel Jim Allenby,
• 1:03:29
  says pretty perfect. Even if it's got a strange
• 1:03:31
  forgetful monster, but that's not what this is about.
• 1:03:34
  Whilst the Jodi run, will do a better story about mental
• 1:03:36
  health. This one always reduces me to a
• 1:03:39
  blubbering mess. I don't know about better.
• 1:03:41
  It's a different approach different.
• 1:03:42
  Yeah, and that did win that year, didn't it did Andy
• 1:03:47
  Parkinson, beautiful. This is Richard curses doing
• 1:03:49
  what he does. Best and delivering, a huge
• 1:03:51
  slice of the fields and pulling at your heartstrings, a work of
• 1:03:54
  art. Keep it.
• 1:03:55
  And he says it's Croatia. But who cares?
• 1:03:58
  This is a beautiful story with the budget saving invisible
• 1:04:01
  monster, being an unexpectedly powerful stand in, for Van
• 1:04:04
  Gogh's depression, something only he can see in fight.
• 1:04:07
  The final scene is simply an all-time Price of Gregory
• 1:04:11
  another prime example of why non-genre writer should write
• 1:04:14
  more, who an absolutely stunning essay on knowing yourself work
• 1:04:17
  and finding the demon. There's no And absolutely
• 1:04:21
  stunning essay on knowing yourself, worth and fighting the
• 1:04:24
  demons. No one else can see.
• 1:04:26
  So important for anyone who's been there before, indeed, a
• 1:04:30
  masterpiece, of course, there's an incredible sensitive, look at
• 1:04:33
  the subject, matter the doctor who does not often go to this,
• 1:04:36
  fulfills the entertainment informed Mantra, but the most
• 1:04:39
  stories and it carries the mark of prestige with Lush visuals
• 1:04:42
  and courtesies. Emotional scripture will it
• 1:04:46
  wonderful sensitively, done, address mental health
• 1:04:48
  appropriately for the family audience love the sweet sad
• 1:04:51
  ending. And finally, Kev Laura says a
• 1:04:55
  real work of art with only current giving one of the best
• 1:04:57
  performance is the series and a wonderful Cameo by night.
• 1:05:00
  He the scenes where I've been since shows how he sees the
• 1:05:02
  night sky, then being over the music, Dorsey gets me, retired,
• 1:05:07
  me too carefully, too, right? Since I'm the doctor. it's
• 1:05:17
  strange one for me. That's so for the majority of
• 1:05:20
  the runtime. I don't know why I just don't
• 1:05:24
  find. I just don't feel particularly
• 1:05:27
  connected to it for most of the runtime.
• 1:05:29
  I enjoy it. Don't not sing, I don't enjoy
• 1:05:31
  but it doesn't get to me. Which is odd.
• 1:05:38
  I sometimes feel on one level and I'm going to contribute to
• 1:05:42
  say myself here. On one level, I'm not sure
• 1:05:45
  there's enough space or time or new ones to give Vincent's
• 1:05:51
  depression, the space. It can when we're doing Prime
• 1:05:53
  Time Doctor Who on the south day night, On the other hand, I
• 1:05:57
  would argue greatly against some of the criticism of the
• 1:06:02
  depiction of mental health. Hey, so, you know, Be seriously,
• 1:06:06
  I can relate to some of this. I've been you know, Quite
• 1:06:10
  depressed at times in my life. And the thing that noises when I
• 1:06:15
  see people say this gets it wrong, because we see Vincent
• 1:06:18
  lying on his bed crying in the depths of Despair and then next
• 1:06:21
  scene, he's going off to paint. And so please every week, people
• 1:06:25
  criticized that as being slapped out, and I've seen a lot of wow.
• 1:06:30
  Those people have never stopped from the friction.
• 1:06:32
  Well, no, I mean I can absolutely relate that I had a
• 1:06:36
  long period where I was highly suicidal and absolutely, you
• 1:06:40
  know, at that point and yet perversely after A number of
• 1:06:45
  incidents, I was able to go to work the next day and continue
• 1:06:51
  to work and I was actually running a business.
• 1:06:52
  Now, everyone around me knew that I was damaged, but I got on
• 1:06:57
  with it and people do get on with it.
• 1:06:59
  You do somehow, you can balance those two things.
• 1:07:02
  It is possible to balance deep deep depression with getting on
• 1:07:07
  with things. So Rob I absolutely depression.
• 1:07:12
  Yeah. Attend everything.
• 1:07:13
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:07:14
  Yeah, I'm doing it every day, they do.
• 1:07:17
  Absolutely, they do. But I've seen Christmas out of
• 1:07:20
  this episode and that absolutely pisses me off because I've been
• 1:07:23
  being through. I know that that is a Trite
• 1:07:27
  argument, that's probably people who fortunately for them.
• 1:07:30
  Haven't had that experience. But and again to contribute
• 1:07:34
  myself that that's just something about early part of
• 1:07:37
  this episode of that just don't get I think a lot of its got to
• 1:07:40
  do with the crew faceless which looks a little bit like a kind
• 1:07:43
  of Jim Henson puppet. And when you've got so many
• 1:07:46
  scenes to throw himself around, which goes on for far too long
• 1:07:50
  fighting. Invisible monster.
• 1:07:51
  Oh, balance with a depression and I just the things just don't
• 1:07:58
  sit together, rifle me. But, and there's another part
• 1:08:03
  I'm then taken completely by surprise when we get to the
• 1:08:06
  ending and it's not just that final scene but the ending then
• 1:08:09
  absolute flaws me every time and there are a number of bits and
• 1:08:12
  I'll get to them. And so on that basis, I look
• 1:08:15
  back and think, well actually maybe the slow build-up has
• 1:08:17
  absolutely done what it should have been doing because it's
• 1:08:20
  built me up. If I just seen those final few
• 1:08:22
  moments, I wouldn't have felt so emotionally drained as I do it
• 1:08:25
  at the end. So obviously, it has done a good
• 1:08:27
  job even though I didn't particularly feel it at the time
• 1:08:30
  if that makes sense. So absolutely.
• 1:08:32
  I'm gonna put this throw but my three reasons are all for things
• 1:08:35
  that happen right towards the end of the episode.
• 1:08:37
  Joey, you've already just talked about one The Starry Night scene
• 1:08:41
  When they're just lying, the doctor Amy and Vincent relying
• 1:08:45
  on their backs in the meadow, looking up at the sky and the
• 1:08:48
  way that's night, sky, Blends, and transforms into the
• 1:08:51
  painting. I don't think you can surpass
• 1:08:53
  that it's, I did know, but it's a moment where we genuinely get
• 1:08:58
  a glimpse into kind of Vincent's world.
• 1:09:00
  We see things through his eyes and you You actually begin to
• 1:09:03
  understand his talents and his unique Artistry just by that
• 1:09:06
  physical. I think that's absolutely
• 1:09:08
  perfect and he's able to share that with the doctor who has
• 1:09:13
  come to respect and Amy, who's come to love.
• 1:09:14
  And I love the fact that he falls in love with Amy, but we
• 1:09:18
  don't have any of that, kind of moreish sentimentality about
• 1:09:21
  that relationship. He doesn't plead for her to
• 1:09:24
  stay. That's none of that.
• 1:09:25
  We don't have with that at all. He falls in love with her and
• 1:09:28
  that's tender and beautiful, but it doesn't turn into a Richard
• 1:09:32
  Curtis cry along, so I think that's perfect.
• 1:09:35
  The second reason, it's just a real simple line.
• 1:09:38
  So after that scene we just talked about the Starry Sky.
• 1:09:41
  The three of them coming to Vincent's house and Vincent
• 1:09:44
  knows their leaving at this point and he just says Doctor,
• 1:09:46
  my friend, we fought monsters together and we've won on my
• 1:09:50
  own. I fear.
• 1:09:51
  I may not do as well and we'll of course, we know he's not
• 1:09:54
  talking about the crisis, he's talking about depression because
• 1:09:57
  the doctor being there has helped him win temporarily over
• 1:10:00
  the depression. But he knows, you know, once
• 1:10:03
  he's on his own again, he's not going to.
• 1:10:04
  I just think that line is just perfect action, and then, my
• 1:10:09
  third reason is Bill Nike. Don't know what it is about Bill
• 1:10:13
  Nighy. He's done it before in films,
• 1:10:14
  like Pride, I think he's absolutely superb, but he's just
• 1:10:17
  got a way of such kind of understated delivery and
• 1:10:20
  understated performance. It can absolutely break your
• 1:10:22
  heart and it's only a tiny little role.
• 1:10:24
  I guess he's done it as a favor to Richard Curtis after he'd
• 1:10:27
  been in the worst film of all time.
• 1:10:29
  Officially Love Actually, just in case you needed selling.
• 1:10:31
  Oh, it's terrible film. It doesn't even get billing in
• 1:10:35
  the closing credits. I think that's the only time and
• 1:10:37
  act has been a doctor. That hasn't got billing in the
• 1:10:39
  final credits, but he's just magnificent and I have written
• 1:10:44
  down the line here, cause I just think it's the dialogue is just
• 1:10:47
  beautiful when Bill Murray, he's talking Benson to him and he
• 1:10:50
  says, He transformed the pain of his tormented life into
• 1:10:54
  ecstatic. Beauty pain is easy to portray
• 1:10:57
  but to use your passion and pain to portray the Ecstasy and joy
• 1:11:01
  and magnificence of our world. No one had done it before,
• 1:11:04
  perhaps, no one ever will again. And just the way he does that
• 1:11:07
  with calm sensitivity, there's no overall delivery.
• 1:11:11
  It's just such a, such a powerful moment.
• 1:11:14
  It's powerful on Vincent, but it's fucking powerful on us as
• 1:11:17
  the audience as well. So I think this is absolutely a
• 1:11:21
  tremendous episode and I would like to put it through.
• 1:11:24
  I've said, two more things very quickly, very quickly.
• 1:11:26
  Well, one is I keep hearing the lazy criticism about this
• 1:11:30
  episode, is that the doctor anyway aren't really doing
• 1:11:32
  anything? I just hanging around, you know,
• 1:11:34
  which a lot of that does happen. Yeah, let me tell you something.
• 1:11:38
  When people have the Press Sometimes the best thing you can
• 1:11:40
  possibly do is just be there. They're not just hanging around
• 1:11:45
  their supporting somebody. The second thing is I went to
• 1:11:48
  the van Gogh immersive experience of the brand, don't
• 1:11:51
  recently where it was all of Van Gogh's Works, come to life.
• 1:11:56
  Like they were projected on the floor and the ceiling with
• 1:11:58
  beautiful music and smells of like the campuses and the
• 1:12:01
  paints. I pumped into the room and just
• 1:12:04
  seeing it comes to life, it was in the doctor.
• 1:12:08
  It was just incredible. What a talent, what I told him
• 1:12:12
  anyway. Sorry.
• 1:12:12
  Our Moss here, what? Our guests have to say,
• 1:12:14
  absolutely. Ian just come to you.
• 1:12:17
  It's um it's one of the three really big ugly.
• 1:12:21
  Cries of the of the year. There's the for me.
• 1:12:24
  There's more than three this time around but you can always
• 1:12:27
  rely on this one to get you. Sobbing into a pillow at the,
• 1:12:31
  the heartbreaking Majesty of that final, Crescendo and I
• 1:12:35
  would have liked Like, there's always been this argument, can
• 1:12:40
  we not just have a pure historical, do we absolutely
• 1:12:42
  have to Crowbar in a monster every single week?
• 1:12:45
  I think if you take away the crayfish and you give the space
• 1:12:49
  over to talk more and depicting more of the shades of Vincent's
• 1:12:53
  depression and his Mania and his kind of it's tantamount to buy
• 1:12:58
  Polar the depiction but that might just be the way it's
• 1:13:01
  edited where you see him crying one minute and find the next.
• 1:13:04
  We don't know what's been cut out.
• 1:13:06
  We don't know what the intention is but this could have been a
• 1:13:09
  really good opportunity to delve even more into that and Flash it
• 1:13:14
  out. Even more would that have
• 1:13:16
  entertained a seven year old child?
• 1:13:18
  I would argue not all so you've always got to have this kind of
• 1:13:22
  compromise and it is absolutely beautiful.
• 1:13:25
  The only problem I have with it is that the doctor It wouldn't
• 1:13:31
  take Vincent into the future to see how he's remembered because
• 1:13:35
  that does kind of break everything the doctors ever
• 1:13:37
  stood for or said in previous stories.
• 1:13:41
  But of course, it's going through because of the Starry
• 1:13:45
  Night sequence if nothing else know in the mafia and they take
• 1:13:50
  Van Gogh all over the universe. All rules are off now as well.
• 1:13:56
  Find out and a big bang. Gareth.
• 1:14:01
  So, I've gotta admit, I came to this one with a lot of bias when
• 1:14:06
  they announced Richard Curtis was coming into, right?
• 1:14:08
  So rods already mentioned, the travesty of a film that he wrote
• 1:14:13
  and believed directed, if memory serves me correctly, who knows
• 1:14:17
  it is. Only film I've ever seen the
• 1:14:19
  cinema. Actually fell asleep in the
• 1:14:21
  middle of And I have seen a lot of films in my time, I've even
• 1:14:27
  seen that Bloody Harry Hill movie on Blu-ray.
• 1:14:30
  But so I'm already coming out this with a slight problem in
• 1:14:35
  this is the big celeb cast and it's it's not Landing with me
• 1:14:38
  already. Now, I've got to admit you have
• 1:14:42
  all waxed very lyrical about the scenes with Vincent and the
• 1:14:46
  doctor and I agree, I think there are some of the best
• 1:14:50
  Sublime. Well, acted well directed, The
• 1:14:54
  Music Murray gold in this season alone is top form by the way.
• 1:14:58
  I haven't mentioned that up to now, but I don't think he ever
• 1:15:02
  gets as good as this afterwards. I think this is the Pinnacle for
• 1:15:06
  him in terms of the changing to the tones of his music and it
• 1:15:09
  all builds into the crescendo that is the end in the museum.
• 1:15:15
  and I like that, I like those bits, but the cafe is bits.
• 1:15:20
  I could do without them, they don't add anything really to the
• 1:15:24
  story. I think exactly like Ian said, I
• 1:15:27
  I think a visit to Van Gogh to understand Van Gogh, and living
• 1:15:32
  that world for a bit, would stay in an episode of on its own.
• 1:15:35
  And I think that would be a much more satisfying experience what
• 1:15:40
  he was. Seven.
• 1:15:41
  No, It would to me but then I like stuff like that.
• 1:15:45
  So this is where again where I come there is my own bias here.
• 1:15:49
  And and that at the end of the day is all I can approach this
• 1:15:51
  with. Yeah.
• 1:15:52
  And it's The other thing I have a problem with and this is gonna
• 1:15:58
  sound absolutely. Petty on my behalf and I know
• 1:16:01
  this for about me trap. Is the end line of the ultimate
• 1:16:05
  Ginger. Now someone is actually Ginger
• 1:16:10
  radiantly so though it's not something I like to hear said on
• 1:16:16
  TV or pointed out I and it just then completely takes the air
• 1:16:21
  out of the room for me on this one on that scene.
• 1:16:24
  And that's a personal thing. You know, like I said this is
• 1:16:27
  entirely. Down to me.
• 1:16:29
  I have an issue as well. About the doctor remembers Rory
• 1:16:32
  at one point during the story and yet does nothing about it
• 1:16:36
  whatsoever. Nothing.
• 1:16:37
  But seems quite happy for him and Amy to get quite convinced
• 1:16:43
  Amy. Sorry to get quite Pally with
• 1:16:44
  Vincent and this is separating the Vincent Storyline by the
• 1:16:47
  way, from the doctor's storyline.
• 1:16:49
  So the way that they handled the depression, I think he's top
• 1:16:53
  dollar, I think they get that spot on coming back to the
• 1:16:56
  Doctor, Who side of things. You've got the doctor allowing
• 1:17:00
  it to put all those sunflowers out.
• 1:17:01
  Yes it's a great looking scene. It looks brilliant.
• 1:17:04
  Why did he let her do it? Is he?
• 1:17:08
  I can't get the end of this series.
• 1:17:09
  Anyway, I can't get the sense after Rory's gone, whether he's
• 1:17:12
  trying to give her that last hurray to try and Jog a memory,
• 1:17:14
  or if he's trying to erase a memory.
• 1:17:16
  Even further. If they're both at the memories
• 1:17:18
  are raised, it's not very clear by this point.
• 1:17:20
  And so by the time, he mentions Rory like great.
• 1:17:23
  Let's go get him. You got the ring.
• 1:17:25
  She's got a memory. Are we gonna go?
• 1:17:26
  No, never goes anywhere. And so again, I'm building up
• 1:17:29
  for something that never happened.
• 1:17:31
  So by the end of this episode, I've had a double one. and my
• 1:17:35
  I'm up and down like this and I'm afraid for me, it's got to
• 1:17:39
  be a beneath Can you, but can you do it?
• 1:17:42
  Just on the terms of that last line please?
• 1:17:44
  Because that would be the the most Petty reason to be an
• 1:17:47
  episode. That last line that last line is
• 1:17:50
  leaching the last item on my list.
• 1:17:52
  It was literally undermined, but it, but it's, but again, coming
• 1:17:56
  back to exactly with the victory with Alex.
• 1:17:57
  It. It's a story of two halves.
• 1:18:00
  That you've got the cafes, you've got Vincent the Vincent
• 1:18:02
  story lines, great. If we had the Vincent storyline
• 1:18:04
  without the Moffat overarching up, that's peppered throughout
• 1:18:08
  Brilliant, big thumbs up if we had it without because Reyes big
• 1:18:12
  thumbs up but we don't and I feel it kind of for me
• 1:18:16
  personally the scales tip over. And it doesn't feel a
• 1:18:20
  satisfactory experience for me as it should be, because when
• 1:18:23
  the scenes are good, they are great.
• 1:18:25
  They are phenomenal. They are fantastic.
• 1:18:27
  They are artistic. But then, I'm all the airs out
• 1:18:31
  of my tank when we go into something else.
• 1:18:35
  I am a seven year old emotionally say so the invisible
• 1:18:39
  monster appeals but also the very simple way, that the Arkham
• 1:18:42
  finally understand what I'm going through, you know?
• 1:18:44
  Oh yeah. So Vincent's the doctor's going
• 1:18:51
  through. Oh right, it's my pick.
• 1:18:54
  Should we go from the sublime to the ridiculous just as this
• 1:18:57
  series did win from Vincent's the doctor to launcher.
• 1:19:01
  So let's have a look at And when I started to prep for this, I
• 1:19:06
  certainly realize Joe. We've done half of gareth's.
• 1:19:09
  Six stories today, we've done Shakespeare.
• 1:19:11
  Code Planet are dead and the caretaker and then I realized,
• 1:19:15
  I've absolutely Savaged every one of those so far like two of
• 1:19:19
  those three didn't I? Well, I subtra all of them and
• 1:19:22
  the common reason is not. The Gareth Roberts is an awful
• 1:19:25
  person because we're just going to say that it's red.
• 1:19:26
  But I just in those three episodes, I haven't enjoyed
• 1:19:30
  spending time with his characters, whether that was
• 1:19:32
  Shakespeare or lady did a Susan to snores, whatever her name is
• 1:19:37
  or anyone in the caretaker. However, I'm delighted to say
• 1:19:41
  that the larger box the trend and I think this is a glorious
• 1:19:46
  episode of field. Good doctor.
• 1:19:47
  There's measured it's engaging, its fun.
• 1:19:50
  They and a little bit freaky at times.
• 1:19:52
  So my first reason for supporting this through is the
• 1:19:55
  doctor And it's ironically, this isn't this starts as a tenth
• 1:19:59
  doctor comic strip, which seems really odd when you watch it,
• 1:20:02
  because this story feels like, he could only be suitable for
• 1:20:06
  maths Smith at this stage in his journey.
• 1:20:08
  Matt naive, take on the doctor here.
• 1:20:11
  Does that reflect the fact is these most useful looking
• 1:20:13
  possibly but he's utterly utterly Charming in this story.
• 1:20:17
  He fails to understand any of the usual or expected social
• 1:20:21
  norms, but he's always happy with his choices.
• 1:20:23
  So we never feels flustered or awkward or embarrassed even
• 1:20:27
  though everyone around him is, and that just makes him totally
• 1:20:29
  endearing whether he's are kissing Sophie when he's dressed
• 1:20:32
  only in a towel, or he's outshining Craig by doing a
• 1:20:35
  better job than him. Matt is just totally ease with
• 1:20:38
  what he's doing. I think he's, he's fantastic.
• 1:20:41
  And the other thing that works really well here.
• 1:20:44
  Again, in contrast to the caretaker in the caretaker when
• 1:20:47
  Gareth Roberts was trying to do the same thing with his doctor,
• 1:20:50
  which absolutely didn't work, he made the doctor stupid.
• 1:20:53
  He doesn't do that here. The doctor is still completely
• 1:20:56
  unintelligent character, so he's the one that spots the photo of
• 1:21:00
  Sophie on breaks fridge. He's the one that realizes the
• 1:21:04
  something about the set of keys because Craig is constantly
• 1:21:08
  subconsciously kind of stroking them.
• 1:21:10
  So he realizes there's Emotional connection there.
• 1:21:12
  And obviously, he works out at the end at the ships being held
• 1:21:16
  back Trey, can't take off because he wants to stay in
• 1:21:19
  culture, whereas everyone else who's been Zapped wants to get
• 1:21:21
  away. So it doesn't make, it doesn't
• 1:21:24
  make the doctor stupid, which I say he has done elsewhere.
• 1:21:27
  I'm praising the writing, but I've also got to praise Matt
• 1:21:31
  Smith because he's just totally convincing in this weather.
• 1:21:34
  You know, he's just doing things a doctor.
• 1:21:36
  Wouldn't do whether he's sitting chatting to a cat or he's, you
• 1:21:39
  know, celebrating a football win with the lads, down the park.
• 1:21:42
  You would not expect to see per we doing that.
• 1:21:44
  But Matt Smith does it and he's totally at home and he's totally
• 1:21:47
  convincing. So that's my first reason.
• 1:21:49
  Second reason, it's Craig and so fake both James Corden.
• 1:21:52
  And Daisy hacking here are just perfect casting Orden.
• 1:21:57
  He's got rid of all that kind of smug Swagger that the Smithy
• 1:22:00
  character as in governance, Stacy.
• 1:22:02
  But he's still retains the Everman but he's quiet and calm
• 1:22:05
  and restrained. Until obviously it gets the
• 1:22:08
  doctors memories at the end but for the majority of it, he's
• 1:22:10
  quite common much better for her and Daisy.
• 1:22:13
  Haggard is a Powers. I don't know if any of you have
• 1:22:15
  seen back to life a series that she wrote and starred in, it is
• 1:22:18
  absolutely phenomenal. And she wrote here in
• 1:22:22
  psychoville, she was great and that well, well do go and watch
• 1:22:25
  back to life. It is tremendous.
• 1:22:26
  Don't have any children around you when you watching it.
• 1:22:29
  But it is a, it's a tremendous too serious.
• 1:22:32
  And again there she shows she's got the ability to make you
• 1:22:35
  laugh to make you cry but more importantly to make you care for
• 1:22:38
  her and she does that hair and I think James Corden does a hit.
• 1:22:41
  So. And then my third reason is this
• 1:22:44
  is actually a very Richard Curtis story, even though this
• 1:22:47
  is Gareth Roberts and Curtis wrote the previous one.
• 1:22:49
  You know. It's just a sweet story to
• 1:22:51
  people who are desperate in love the council each other.
• 1:22:53
  How they fail, think it works brilliantly.
• 1:22:55
  I think it's quite emotional. I think Moffitt again is
• 1:22:58
  bringing something different, a different flavor to his first
• 1:23:01
  season of Doctor. And I wouldn't want this every
• 1:23:03
  season over. We do get it again next year.
• 1:23:05
  But here, I think it's fabulous. So absolutely I want to put the
• 1:23:09
  larger through 10. It would be a cricket in this.
• 1:23:12
  Oh I love him but he just wouldn't work in.
• 1:23:19
  He definitely have checked. Sophie wouldn't me without a
• 1:23:23
  shadow about And possibly even the cat on the stars, who knows?
• 1:23:26
  Anyway, let's go to the comments.
• 1:23:29
  Fraser Gregory says the comic strip was better, but this
• 1:23:32
  achieves, the impossible. It makes James Corden.
• 1:23:35
  Not only watchable, but enjoyable a really good.
• 1:23:37
  Look at the effect, the doctor can have on an ordinary life.
• 1:23:40
  He doesn't always need to save the world to help people.
• 1:23:43
  Oscar Groucho says a marvelous exploration of 11's character.
• 1:23:46
  Sketching out his contrast to the social dexterous ten, a
• 1:23:51
  chamber piece in Palm bastard. Orchestra it's well worth a
• 1:23:54
  revisit James had been says has huge holes of logic and
• 1:23:58
  plausibility that absolutely cross heading business.
• 1:24:01
  My will to keep watching was virtually Zero by the stage.
• 1:24:05
  Yeah, I was unfortunately, uh, Jason Thompson Shane is written
• 1:24:11
  by a prick and the lead guest actor is a prick.
• 1:24:14
  What? Matt Smith is a prick I think
• 1:24:17
  he's James Corden. Now this is Karen Gillan series
• 1:24:19
  math movies. Absolutely.
• 1:24:20
  The guests actually still it's fun.
• 1:24:23
  The best interactions were between the doctor and Sophie.
• 1:24:26
  So it's a shame. She gets almost entirely written
• 1:24:28
  out by the next episode. They're in keep track.
• 1:24:31
  Of course, I don't really find this funny but it's fairly Amy
• 1:24:33
  will Pleasant the court and Smith Dynamic Paris at.
• 1:24:36
  But sadly, I don't feel much for the Sophie relationship because
• 1:24:39
  there could be more time devoted to it.
• 1:24:42
  Crash dummies as great fun allowing Smith to let loose and
• 1:24:46
  has Corden before he became the real life of Zorb.
• 1:24:49
  Can we pretend the writer is Robin, Bland though, and the
• 1:24:53
  wrongs Lee says, the doctors your flat sharing bloke, you
• 1:24:56
  football made shouldn't work. But oh my god, it works so well.
• 1:24:58
  And we must treasure this as the one and only time when James
• 1:25:02
  Corden has ever been, like, on screen, including Closing Time,
• 1:25:07
  Daniel Knight leaves me cold. I don't like the doctor
• 1:25:10
  characterization as an annoying idiot.
• 1:25:12
  Corden is tolerable, but this is the weakest of the Season by
• 1:25:14
  far. Jim Island B says I love seeing
• 1:25:17
  the doctrine of domestic setting and I don't mind James Corden.
• 1:25:20
  It's creepy as well. I've never looked at a patch of
• 1:25:23
  mold in quite the same way again.
• 1:25:25
  Big, big, big, big orange. Michael says one thing Moffitt
• 1:25:28
  does well, is planning for the light episode.
• 1:25:31
  So it doesn't feel as obvious that we're missing some of the
• 1:25:33
  cast. Oh, it was wonderful.
• 1:25:35
  What you talking about? Keep it Jolie.
• 1:25:38
  Well and said my first exposure to James cord, and James
• 1:25:40
  corden's exposed himself to you. That's better worry.
• 1:25:42
  My first exposure to James Corden.
• 1:25:45
  Before I formed an opinion off him.
• 1:25:46
  He's an ass. So it's okay.
• 1:25:48
  Like the doctor trying to be a normal person.
• 1:25:50
  How do you know that says? Oh, so I only got four
• 1:25:52
  astronauts green. Yeah.
• 1:25:54
  What else could it be? That was a fall out.
• 1:25:57
  Yeah, I was being polite months. Paul.
• 1:26:01
  Not too bad. Okay.
• 1:26:03
  James Corden is pretty irritating but Matt Smith puts
• 1:26:05
  in a great performers. Probably the weakest of the
• 1:26:08
  series. So and the wonderful queen says,
• 1:26:11
  starring the bloated desperate to be like fuck Staind James
• 1:26:15
  Corden, I'm written by someone who's scripts up to that point
• 1:26:18
  had been overly extended unfunny sketched about popular authors.
• 1:26:22
  So it should be utter dog. Shit, but It isn't, it's fun and
• 1:26:26
  engaging all hail Matt Smith, his comic ability charm and
• 1:26:30
  deliberately awkward performance.
• 1:26:31
  Transformed base into at least Doctor Who done the knee.
• 1:26:36
  Dominique here Dominique. How many cough, Joe your
• 1:26:42
  feelings on the launcher? Oh, hello.
• 1:26:44
  Yes, I really like this. I really like the launcher.
• 1:26:48
  This is another one for me to keep.
• 1:26:49
  I think this is sitcom Doctor Who dumb, right?
• 1:26:52
  Because the situation is a genuinely funny.
• 1:26:54
  One, the doctor falling into the life of a normal bloke and
• 1:26:57
  turning upside down. And then they're really
• 1:27:00
  irritating thing about being better at his life.
• 1:27:02
  Then he is because he's because he's an alien, right?
• 1:27:06
  He does everything sort of role and that means he gets
• 1:27:09
  everything, right? And James Corden, bless him,
• 1:27:11
  he's trying to get everything right.
• 1:27:12
  He gets everything wrong. It's very, very funny.
• 1:27:15
  I did write that one could almost say that gathers is
• 1:27:19
  saying that existing between two absolutes.
• 1:27:21
  It's a huge strength which would be an unusual approach for him,
• 1:27:25
  but there we go. Um, I agree with you.
• 1:27:28
  I think cordless Smith have genuine chemistry other than
• 1:27:31
  uploading sitcoms in our talked about Men Behaving Badly on an
• 1:27:34
  episode recently, and that is not my cup of tea, but this is
• 1:27:38
  sort of that Right down to a very gentle cozy level and apart
• 1:27:45
  from the Head bar, which is just so I will judge.
• 1:27:47
  There are some very old judge moments this year and that's one
• 1:27:51
  of them because all the kids were going around the
• 1:27:53
  playground, you know, not in each other.
• 1:27:55
  It's a lovely relationship. It's very, very watchable.
• 1:27:59
  I think, Paul was right. Another actor that wasn't Matt
• 1:28:04
  Smith and this would a tank because I do think this is one
• 1:28:07
  of his best ever performance is under that bit, where he goes up
• 1:28:11
  to Sophie and does the air kisses?
• 1:28:13
  No, it's just gorgeous. I'm like, where the fuck with
• 1:28:18
  this guy in series 7? You know, is Series 7 at this
• 1:28:22
  point, he doesn't know. Really what kissing is.
• 1:28:24
  He's a bit pathetic and it's very funny.
• 1:28:26
  Come serious 70s. Looking up Clara skirt.
• 1:28:29
  I mean, he's learned a lot of freeze seasons.
• 1:28:32
  And I really like the clip the creepy flat out of stairs.
• 1:28:35
  I used to be terrified as a kid because my dad wouldn't let me
• 1:28:38
  put on the LIE, going up the stairs.
• 1:28:41
  And I used to have to take that Journey every night, my bedroom,
• 1:28:45
  and the way that shot, it really reminds me of monsters.
• 1:28:48
  Well because it's been shot from below looking up.
• 1:28:52
  The silhouette of the people going help me help.
• 1:28:55
  It's so creepy. Sometimes like understated
• 1:28:58
  horror is creepy other than I don't know.
• 1:29:01
  CGI fish. People with big teeth, you know.
• 1:29:03
  I think it really really works there.
• 1:29:05
  Yeah I just think this is really a great watch and yeah, I think
• 1:29:10
  this is Gary Roberts is best episode Unicorn on the walls.
• 1:29:15
  Look at that on par with another one of Garrett Robin's best ever
• 1:29:18
  episodes. But um, yeah.
• 1:29:21
  Put it through. Gareth. right now, deal with the
• 1:29:28
  The good stuff in it. Matt Smith and James Corden have
• 1:29:32
  great, chemistry. Together.
• 1:29:33
  You can tell that their friends. Outside and pre Doctor Who.
• 1:29:38
  And it really comes through because I think, for the first
• 1:29:40
  time, all year Maps, the most comfortable in his performance,
• 1:29:44
  seems the most assured, by this point.
• 1:29:47
  I think I mentioned some of the other stories.
• 1:29:50
  I think he's always overshadowed by other actors.
• 1:29:53
  But that's not the case here just seems to work and it's to
• 1:29:57
  click for him. but, There's another box.
• 1:30:04
  Oh there's several boats. Oh, really the head cat?
• 1:30:08
  The head bought is the principal.
• 1:30:12
  Shouldn't be in there at all. So when she should have excised
• 1:30:15
  that the early opportunity and that's not me in a Mary White
• 1:30:18
  House phase. That's me saying he didn't need
• 1:30:21
  to be there. Whatever happened to contacts,
• 1:30:23
  whatever happened to hands on a face.
• 1:30:25
  And going, oh, mine transfer. And, you know, he didn't need to
• 1:30:29
  be It is up there with like telling kids not to take their
• 1:30:35
  medicine in the forest of the night and it like why are you
• 1:30:38
  doing here? I don't like the fact, it's a
• 1:30:41
  rehash of a comic strip. I have a big problem in general,
• 1:30:43
  when Doctor Who puts out things, books comics, and then goes, oh
• 1:30:48
  well, we'll take that and we'll just do it for the TV series.
• 1:30:50
  I don't, it's not a format that needs to do that.
• 1:30:53
  What why are we doing that? I admit I'm the one that hates
• 1:30:57
  human nature because of that. I can't get past it.
• 1:31:00
  I like the book. I want the book.
• 1:31:02
  I bought the book I paid for the book I paid for the magazine as
• 1:31:06
  well. Why you know, showing me what
• 1:31:07
  you've already giving me that I had to pay for a little bit
• 1:31:10
  insulted by that. Yeah, instead of you.
• 1:31:14
  I hate my license fee. But yeah, I also don't like the
• 1:31:20
  fact that the silence is Tardis, although, we don't know it's on
• 1:31:23
  this, at this point, he's actually better.
• 1:31:26
  Than the doctor's time. It's really.
• 1:31:28
  It's now I'm not covered this at now, but I'm gonna bring it up
• 1:31:31
  now. I test this Tardis and I think
• 1:31:34
  it's because I'm color blind. A genuinely do.
• 1:31:38
  So I've only recently discovered that this is a copper apparently
• 1:31:42
  in there, but to me, I can't figure out what color it is,
• 1:31:45
  because the contrast I'm guessing because the oranges
• 1:31:47
  near the Reds, it's really playing hell with me.
• 1:31:49
  I've always labeled this as the balamory Tardis.
• 1:31:52
  Much to my family is amusement and that is what I have called
• 1:31:54
  it ever since. And if we couldn't get that
• 1:31:56
  right for broadcast, then how the hell am I gonna like it?
• 1:31:59
  So, anyway, but no, the Tardis interior.
• 1:32:03
  I like the one that's designed in this and I also don't like
• 1:32:07
  the fact that the doctor in this, the characterization of
• 1:32:11
  the doctor is not doesn't feel right at all.
• 1:32:13
  Number one, why does it just go straight up to the flat upstairs
• 1:32:16
  and saw today? I don't get that at all.
• 1:32:19
  If it is that bad a problem, he saw the mold down stairs, why
• 1:32:22
  isn't he just going up to all out?
• 1:32:24
  There's none of that in there. Instead, we then spend however,
• 1:32:26
  long we spend down with Craig, dealing with the day in day out.
• 1:32:29
  But then this is then becomes a problem in itself because We
• 1:32:34
  have the fact that the doctor says I've never worked anywhere
• 1:32:36
  before. Yes, she did the 1970s eighties
• 1:32:38
  for bloody unique. How can you sit there and say
• 1:32:41
  you never did anything? Oh great.
• 1:32:43
  So I'm doing a job I've never worked in everywhere.
• 1:32:45
  You have every time you've gone into an organization's try and
• 1:32:48
  go undercover. You worked on whatever a bit.
• 1:32:50
  He should have just said off, never worked anywhere.
• 1:32:52
  Where is he? Where's the on, switch for the
• 1:32:57
  screwdriver? He's never used a screwdriver
• 1:33:00
  before in, if anyone can go back through the series and if the
• 1:33:03
  doctor use a regular screwdriver and then please phone in and
• 1:33:07
  tell us because dear listener, we want to know it's like, it's
• 1:33:10
  like this only took the opinion at some point during the new
• 1:33:13
  series. Probably not so much the classic
• 1:33:14
  series of basically saying it's a completely different person.
• 1:33:17
  IE all the memories they had before even Learning To Breathe.
• 1:33:20
  Might not be part of the new doctor psyche.
• 1:33:23
  So, let's know. We might get Incarnation that
• 1:33:25
  just turns up and just and then changes because they forgot how
• 1:33:28
  to breathe. Because over now you're going
• 1:33:31
  back to cursive again, don't you.
• 1:33:33
  It's Todrick Works upon toward works for the sake of torts in
• 1:33:37
  order to be humorous and I do not like it.
• 1:33:40
  He doesn't really belong. Here, it shouldn't be here.
• 1:33:42
  That's when it culminates. In the bloody head of Doom, we
• 1:33:46
  need to be upstairs, we need to be sorting the problem out and
• 1:33:48
  getting to it and all. So the fact that James corden's
• 1:33:53
  character is so stupid. so stupid, when we labeled this
• 1:33:58
  already that he's easily won over by an omelette, arguably
• 1:34:03
  the Singlish, easy thing you could whip up in a bloody
• 1:34:06
  kitchen Even though the doctor to produce a three-course meal.
• 1:34:09
  And yeah, that's yeah, you can stay for that.
• 1:34:11
  An omelette one me thinks that's the governance.
• 1:34:14
  Stacy in Joe because in governance Stacey they're always
• 1:34:17
  eating omelets around, right? I don't know, Stacy.
• 1:34:20
  So again, I haven't been ostracized by this episode
• 1:34:23
  Arrow. I would be yours for an
• 1:34:26
  omelette. You know?
• 1:34:27
  I do. Cook a very mean omelette.
• 1:34:29
  I've got no, it's just the Joe's very easy, we'll talk. but,
• 1:34:34
  again, I I This is an episode. I struggle to sit through
• 1:34:39
  originally I struggled again when I watched a commentary on
• 1:34:43
  astral again, watching the Blu-Ray.
• 1:34:45
  So watching the DVD and I have really struggled, this is what
• 1:34:50
  for free, watching it for this. And I have tried to come up with
• 1:34:53
  it open and right, and professional.
• 1:34:56
  And he said, I just found myself getting really, really grumpy by
• 1:34:59
  the end of it going. I don't give up bloody rats are
• 1:35:02
  here. This is a comedy and I don't
• 1:35:05
  want to see this right now. Can't we just get upstairs and
• 1:35:07
  sold the problem. I don't want to be sat in a room
• 1:35:10
  just talking about things, we could be up there dealing with
• 1:35:13
  it. Moving the plot getting on with
• 1:35:15
  it. You know, we talk about the
• 1:35:16
  stuff that seven year olds. What they're watching what they
• 1:35:18
  want to watch this. I just might be careful of the
• 1:35:23
  caregivers only in three minutes.
• 1:35:25
  Wonderful. We do get the big, yes, which is
• 1:35:29
  one of my favorite memes at the moment.
• 1:35:30
  I like throwing out on Twitter. But yeah, I just now it's just
• 1:35:36
  like football. That's not too bad.
• 1:35:39
  Actually the music there and I get and I get that is quite
• 1:35:43
  stylish. That is quite stylish.
• 1:35:45
  It's one of the least problem bits.
• 1:35:46
  I have with this. But I mean it's it's how long.
• 1:35:50
  Five minutes. If that, it's not even be three
• 1:35:52
  minutes in length, it doesn't justify it pinning, the whole
• 1:35:55
  episode on keeping it. I'm afraid it has to go in the
• 1:36:00
  bin Mr. Martin, you have the deciding, he's got the power.
• 1:36:07
  So it was interesting. This is only just occurred to me
• 1:36:10
  listening to you guys talk but you know yes this is the episode
• 1:36:14
  with the sort of Blocky flat sharing football and beer kind
• 1:36:17
  of guys and we've got Simon nine knocking about in this series so
• 1:36:21
  could he not have written this? But Martin Luther In this little
• 1:36:26
  bit more than anything. So let me think the to start
• 1:36:31
  with the head butting seen that, you know, that's that is
• 1:36:35
  reprehensible. It's a fucking stupid thing to
• 1:36:37
  put in a kids, TV show children, headbutting each other that
• 1:36:40
  hard. The doctor doesn't need to do
• 1:36:42
  that, he's never done it since he never did it before.
• 1:36:45
  It's nonsense, it's embarrassing.
• 1:36:47
  And James Corden is not someone I've ever encountered outside of
• 1:36:50
  this episode of Doctor Who and and the other one that he goes
• 1:36:53
  on to be in. So I don't come.
• 1:36:56
  I don't bump on him with any of that package.
• 1:36:59
  I thought he was fine in this. It's playing a sort of, you
• 1:37:02
  know, chubby and competent. Loser is clearly his kind of
• 1:37:06
  sweet spot. So I was there for that Daisy.
• 1:37:09
  Haggard is in it. I could watch her reading the
• 1:37:13
  phone book with the sound turned down.
• 1:37:14
  I think she's absolutely gorgeous and it was lovely to
• 1:37:17
  get someone like that in Doctor. Who and I suppose really the
• 1:37:21
  thing that's going to sway it for me, is that as someone who
• 1:37:24
  grew up in Colchester and waited for the Tardis to appear in
• 1:37:28
  Colchester, for the first 20 years of my life, I felt
• 1:37:32
  curiously Justified that this episode and closing time
• 1:37:36
  ultimately came along and you know yeah we got some Colchester
• 1:37:40
  representation. There's a Bandstand as was
• 1:37:43
  depicted in the episode. I imagine they were playing
• 1:37:46
  football on the rack which I know it's great.
• 1:37:49
  It's lovely. It doesn't really hold together.
• 1:37:51
  But it's it's a character piece, it's a comedy episode more than
• 1:37:55
  it is. A serious plot driven Fandango
• 1:37:58
  and I again it's another one of those ugly crying.
• 1:38:02
  Oh they're gonna get together. Oh how lovely?
• 1:38:04
  It's just lovely and it's going through.
• 1:38:06
  Yeah. How much she said you love
• 1:38:08
  romantic comedies now and we're all stories in the End, you
• 1:38:12
  know. it might say to default years, you're not in advance,
• 1:38:15
  she is, you know, He likes a bit of romance.
• 1:38:20
  I wasn't laughing. I was laughing.
• 1:38:22
  Are you calling him advice? Yeah, well I was just pretending
• 1:38:26
  to be Advanced but that's we've done quite well so far, you
• 1:38:33
  know, first four. We've only got one in the bin so
• 1:38:35
  far. Let's see if that changes early
• 1:38:39
  days. Yeah.
• 1:38:40
  Gareth back to you to pick your second story, okay?
• 1:38:44
  As well as I'm going with my second story.
• 1:38:47
  Let's go with the second episode of the series.
• 1:38:49
  Shall we shall we descend to the Beast below.
• 1:38:53
  Go for. I don't like it.
• 1:38:55
  I know that virtual controversial.
• 1:38:59
  I know. So again this this is a game of
• 1:39:04
  two halves. and I think it's very much in the vein of it's
• 1:39:09
  overshadowed with the smile, as I'm afraid we're putting them in
• 1:39:14
  there as some kind of Menace or something to be frightened of,
• 1:39:16
  but what are they? What why are they there?
• 1:39:21
  What what do they do doing? It's never actually explained.
• 1:39:26
  Now, I understand since then that there was some a lot of
• 1:39:29
  Rapid deleted scenes and stuff taken out very last minute.com.
• 1:39:33
  And I even the brilliant book of Doctor, Who references the whole
• 1:39:37
  need to use Clockwork in there but up until reading that
• 1:39:41
  yesterday I had no idea about the smile as and they still make
• 1:39:45
  no sense by the whole thing. Even when you get like, the
• 1:39:48
  smile hybrid people, and all of that, it just doesn't make any
• 1:39:51
  sense that the World building is absent.
• 1:39:54
  We've also got that thing as well.
• 1:39:55
  Whichever propensity for at the moment which is the future will
• 1:39:59
  be dressed as we are now no seeds of death pants for us.
• 1:40:04
  Thank you. Which I think is a big
• 1:40:06
  disappointment and I'm sure everyone would agree with that.
• 1:40:08
  But it just then takes away from the fact that you are in space.
• 1:40:12
  And actually, what we doing with just in a walkway somewhere,
• 1:40:15
  talking to people, it never really ends up.
• 1:40:17
  There's the scene with Liz, tendon, the candles, and she's
• 1:40:20
  on the floor, which looks very nice.
• 1:40:22
  But how the hell did she get a cloak out of that angle?
• 1:40:24
  Who's coming? How is she?
• 1:40:27
  How is she getting down? And then put the cloak out all
• 1:40:31
  around to Victory. It's all out that I think it's
• 1:40:34
  the middle that pulley any of it up.
• 1:40:35
  He just doesn't make sense. I also think that the whale
• 1:40:40
  character that they have, that's holding the whole Starship UK
• 1:40:43
  up, why did we not just make it the meat thing from Torchwood
• 1:40:46
  just to tie it in would have been that bad.
• 1:40:49
  What it really all the whale from hitchhiker's God and
• 1:40:52
  Galaxy. Seems rather convenient that by
• 1:40:55
  the end of it Amy just goes the whale came of its own volition.
• 1:40:59
  Oh you can speak. Well now can you Oh you you know
• 1:41:04
  what is having gone through all of this?
• 1:41:05
  You've now figured that out without any of that evidence
• 1:41:09
  being put in front of you, the doctors around a bit obsessed
• 1:41:12
  with consideration to this point that's hardest translates.
• 1:41:15
  Remember, so I went away goes, whoa!
• 1:41:17
  Oh, I can understand how remiss of me that as soon as they go in
• 1:41:21
  that, she couldn't hear the pangs of pain that it was
• 1:41:23
  emitting from everything then drilling into its eared.
• 1:41:25
  Oh, yeah. But that's what I mean.
• 1:41:29
  But this is again, this is what this is my problem.
• 1:41:30
  With this, the whole world building, the whole Logic, the
• 1:41:33
  whole store at the story itself that idea of They decided to
• 1:41:39
  keep themselves in this cycle of keeping the thing going and
• 1:41:42
  wiping their own memories. Yeah.
• 1:41:43
  Okay, fine. That is a concept is okay.
• 1:41:48
  But they need to be more around it.
• 1:41:50
  And most of its not there for this, it's completely absent and
• 1:41:53
  devoid of anything what we're going for is the big end of the
• 1:41:56
  world spectacle Alice series 1. Where were basically trying to
• 1:42:00
  show our new hearty companion the universe and isn't it great?
• 1:42:04
  You know, let's take you out to the Tardis of what you were in
• 1:42:07
  bed. Oh, look at that.
• 1:42:08
  Hey, and now we're gonna go down to a new space ship.
• 1:42:10
  Whoa. And do some quirky things like
• 1:42:12
  looking at water, on the floor away and then we just don't
• 1:42:15
  really bother about the rest of it.
• 1:42:17
  You just It's all just feels half finishing a bit rushed
• 1:42:22
  around this one, and I just don't think it stands up very
• 1:42:25
  well. Like I said, you get to the
• 1:42:26
  whole Smile as bit, and I feel like the smile is, could have
• 1:42:29
  had more, a more powerful presence in it, rather than just
• 1:42:32
  terrifying kids and where are all, that's nothing wrong with
• 1:42:35
  that disappeared. I just like but at least he's
• 1:42:39
  killing them in this, you know, like You know, it just feels
• 1:42:43
  vacuous. And I don't know if it's as well
• 1:42:45
  because it's coming down from the 11th Hour, everyone's reach,
• 1:42:48
  those highs of always, the big opening episode.
• 1:42:50
  And yeah, we'll just stick this one in before we go to the next
• 1:42:52
  big episode, which is the dialects and it feels like it's
• 1:42:55
  been hammock and hidden away, rather like the poor creature
• 1:42:59
  that is stuck underneath this below a set of buildings that
• 1:43:02
  were all So yeah, for me it's a non-starter which is what the
• 1:43:08
  whale should have done before he decided to rescue these people.
• 1:43:11
  Oh, he's not so happy man. Tonight, was bad.
• 1:43:18
  I don't think like, oh, you're arguments whilst subjective all
• 1:43:24
  carry way. Should we go to the comments
• 1:43:26
  Harold? Herald of creation says I'm
• 1:43:31
  blowing. The trumpet for this because no
• 1:43:33
  one else will a beautiful little story.
• 1:43:35
  The brought my wife back to the show and she stayed right
• 1:43:38
  through the Matt Smith era. Oh, bless her.
• 1:43:41
  Herald of creation, honestly, torture in your wife like that.
• 1:43:44
  Jeff Richardson says not a popular choice but I love it as
• 1:43:48
  an animal rights guy. This really hits.
• 1:43:49
  I love where the doctor points out are crying girl.
• 1:43:53
  That's you. How strange that no one was
• 1:43:58
  helping her you? Says.
• 1:44:02
  A story I thought was flat and dull on first viewing and
• 1:44:04
  there's only recently grown in my estimation.
• 1:44:06
  I love the image of Amy wandering around in the night.
• 1:44:09
  Say, and I'm slightly worried about him.
• 1:44:11
  But you say, you love, seeing Amy wandering around in a
• 1:44:13
  nightie and it's just grown in your estimation.
• 1:44:15
  What's growing now. You gotta remember our question.
• 1:44:19
  I just be his comments. I think our most again, he says
• 1:44:25
  my dirty mind. Oh, my says cracking never
• 1:44:30
  really talked about but it's brilliant.
• 1:44:31
  And the smile is a very scary. Or Cresta, says, pretty bland
• 1:44:35
  stuffing it for the floating outside the tile this bit alone.
• 1:44:38
  John Arnold a gallon of his travel style satire on Modern
• 1:44:42
  British life. And this is Oh, sorry, Fizzies,
• 1:44:46
  there's all this is with gags ideas and images.
• 1:44:49
  All bolstered by soapy soapy soapy.
• 1:44:55
  Okay, it's glorious guest turn. Basically, it rolls John Cox
• 1:45:00
  says underrated classic. I love the world building and
• 1:45:03
  the Amy is faced with moral dilemma on her first trip. 11s
• 1:45:06
  rage at the end is also brilliantly conveyed soapy, I'll
• 1:45:12
  never go over that. Michael says, Smith take on the
• 1:45:15
  doctor continues to Intrigue and the I will need to find a new
• 1:45:18
  name. Seen, it's a highlight, another
• 1:45:19
  solid entry to the start of the series games had been says,
• 1:45:23
  moffatt starts his obsession with the 50 seemingly being the
• 1:45:26
  UK's golden age and fills the episode with an overlong opening
• 1:45:30
  and the padded ending Bennett crash dummies starts.
• 1:45:33
  Well as an interesting premise of mystery, but becomes a knee
• 1:45:37
  episode, that's lifted by great acting by the regulars.
• 1:45:39
  If not the guest cast. Danny Ron says, space looks
• 1:45:43
  pretty but Starship. UK is a bit too empty and Bare
• 1:45:46
  Bones for me. The fun is watching Karen
• 1:45:48
  Gillan, find her feet and while Smith's doctor lets the charm
• 1:45:51
  slip. The whales Tom scene is a great
• 1:45:53
  grotty set piece. It's very Star Wars here Daniel
• 1:45:57
  and I says, muddled and cheap. Although we have the fairy tale
• 1:46:00
  aesthetic, we get a restored end of the world and complete with
• 1:46:02
  the window shot. A space whale and Sophie Oconee
• 1:46:07
  does bloody Queen Terrace, Hardman is the first Moffat
• 1:46:10
  guest star to be underused. Not the last.
• 1:46:13
  Oh, not the last, oh, Olivia Colman's the first one, yeah,
• 1:46:16
  use what you doing talking about?
• 1:46:18
  Don't says intriguing and funny. I like the bit with the water
• 1:46:21
  glasses, mudsmith does righteous and go very well Karen's,
• 1:46:25
  everybody's equal Paul Quinn would benefit from being a
• 1:46:28
  two-parter. The World building is
• 1:46:29
  fascinating, but there are elements like the smilers that
• 1:46:32
  skated over, which could have been expanded.
• 1:46:34
  Sophie Akinator is marvelous, bonus points for Peter Pan and
• 1:46:39
  visual references. And finally, Jack courses
• 1:46:41
  graphic novel aesthetic. Funky jargon filled with
• 1:46:44
  algorithm in The Uncommon, some harsh editing, disrupts the
• 1:46:47
  ending, a screen in Doctor Who but our leads are defined.
• 1:46:52
  Him. Um I think the the kind of Magic
• 1:46:57
  Moment of this one for me is in the teaser, whether they're
• 1:47:02
  looking on the scanner at the the girl and the doctors just
• 1:47:05
  done a big speech about, you know, not not getting involved,
• 1:47:09
  not changing history. And then, as Amy's watching,
• 1:47:11
  he's straight out that artists and running up to that girl.
• 1:47:14
  And that in a nutshell, is exactly who the doctor is.
• 1:47:17
  So, I thought that was lovely to counterbalance that you've got
• 1:47:21
  this. This Terrence character, I never
• 1:47:23
  watched the demon Headmaster because I was just slightly too
• 1:47:26
  old, but anyone who you says Pro to call with that much relish, I
• 1:47:32
  mean, terrifying. And then you get to the ending.
• 1:47:37
  And you see, Matt Smith's. Depiction of the it's not just
• 1:47:42
  rage. It's it's anguish.
• 1:47:43
  What he's got to do to the world.
• 1:47:45
  What he thinks he had to do to the way to end his pain.
• 1:47:50
  And whereas previously I have, you know, skates over this
• 1:47:54
  episode a little bit on this occasion.
• 1:47:56
  I was Really big really? Really ugly, tears.
• 1:48:00
  I was, I was maybe it's because I've got a dog, now, I get it, I
• 1:48:04
  understand the love beer animals, but Oh yeah.
• 1:48:11
  It moved me a lot more than it ever has before and if it can
• 1:48:14
  get better in 14 years and another 14 years maybe it'll be
• 1:48:18
  a top 10 classic who knows. Let's put it through.
• 1:48:22
  Fabulous. Joe.
• 1:48:25
  I'm kind of on the fence but I want to be it because I do think
• 1:48:30
  there are nice things I do like, Amy floating outside the
• 1:48:33
  hardest. I think that that's sort of
• 1:48:34
  fairy tale stuff. Works quite well.
• 1:48:37
  Hey, Matt Smith at the end of this episode.
• 1:48:39
  That's me for me is the first of McCoy of the new series, right?
• 1:48:43
  You can do he can act but he cannot do anger.
• 1:48:46
  I'll talk with me when he's going.
• 1:48:48
  Nobody thank you. Why did I not say go again back?
• 1:48:56
  Just tone it down a bit. It was like Matt Smith was in
• 1:48:59
  the room. Just done it.
• 1:49:01
  Well it's it's unpleasant to watch that scene because she
• 1:49:06
  physically records from him it's really unpleasant and then when
• 1:49:10
  we're trying to sort of establish, this fairy tale
• 1:49:12
  relationship between the two of them is.
• 1:49:14
  It's a bit jarring, I really hate.
• 1:49:17
  So if you're canados performance in this, I'm not happy crying
• 1:49:20
  my, it's just weird. Right?
• 1:49:24
  What a weird, weird take for that guest actress to choose
• 1:49:28
  very odd and I don't really get the character too much as well.
• 1:49:32
  It's very Moffat, isn't she sexy with a gum and You know I deal
• 1:49:38
  with space. That's what she sounds like.
• 1:49:39
  Anyway um very very odd. It's cheap as well.
• 1:49:43
  This episode, I don't think the City Escape on the back of the
• 1:49:45
  whale convinces. I certainly don't think the
• 1:49:48
  market convinces. Again, it feels like they're
• 1:49:50
  just unaware out. They put a few flags up and
• 1:49:52
  gone. This is, you know, the British
• 1:49:53
  Market, it's so I don't. I'm not really immersed in the
• 1:49:57
  world. Like, I was, you remember with
• 1:49:59
  accent? I said, you know, they put in a
• 1:50:00
  bit of effort in that market and build it full of aliens and, and
• 1:50:04
  all of that the smiles, I don't understand.
• 1:50:07
  I do not understand anything about the smilers.
• 1:50:10
  They are literally there to give us a pretor.
• 1:50:11
  So you can set the star, which is memorable because a child
• 1:50:15
  literally falls out of lift shop like a role.
• 1:50:18
  But beyond that, I don't put it through just for that.
• 1:50:21
  I understand that's all. But the thing I really don't
• 1:50:25
  understand about this episode is six next to victory in the
• 1:50:28
  darks, right? And this episode is about, it's
• 1:50:32
  a representational. Yeah, being built on the back.
• 1:50:36
  Of a helpless creature. He's got something to say about
• 1:50:39
  Britain in this and then in the next episode, we are taking all
• 1:50:43
  the races out of Churchill and saying that this is back.
• 1:50:47
  It's like what time? Yeah, I don't understand.
• 1:50:50
  I'm not sure if Moffitt is brightening or left-leaning, I
• 1:50:55
  think he's a bit confused as well and the two episodes
• 1:50:58
  back-to-back, it's such a It's such a weird, weird
• 1:51:02
  juxtaposition. And I don't like how obvious The
• 1:51:09
  the parody of that is here and I don't like how I just hate
• 1:51:14
  everything that basically, the dice is saying about the British
• 1:51:16
  Empire. Yeah, let's get rid of it.
• 1:51:19
  I don't really like it but I do think Karen gillan's pretty good
• 1:51:23
  in there. So I do think she's great at the
• 1:51:25
  end. I can't say nice things about
• 1:51:27
  her, just not very often. Yeah, that it's not for me.
• 1:51:31
  It's just too much here. I don't like I've got the
• 1:51:36
  casting vote. I'm putting this through, I love
• 1:51:38
  the Beast pillow. I have always thoroughly enjoyed
• 1:51:41
  the Beast, belongs to see the moffett's quite hard on this one
• 1:51:44
  as well. He doesn't particularly like I
• 1:51:45
  think he said of all the stories he wrote, this is his least
• 1:51:48
  favorite. I think this is absolutely
• 1:51:50
  lovely. I think it's a kind of melting
• 1:51:53
  pot of different Visual and creative ideas from lots of
• 1:51:56
  different sources. It's telling the story of Nanny,
• 1:51:59
  State politics, fascist rule, animal cruelty and fairytale.
• 1:52:02
  Heroics, I've been it. Good job of 42 minutes.
• 1:52:07
  It is it is an old combination of things.
• 1:52:10
  I think it works. I think there's a lot.
• 1:52:13
  I get real strong Andrew caramel Viber to this story.
• 1:52:17
  I think there's a real kind of comic book early Seventh Doctor.
• 1:52:21
  We've definitely got into Paradise Towers there.
• 1:52:23
  If you think the kangs are the children here instead of the
• 1:52:26
  caretakers you've got the wind is the smilers because they are
• 1:52:28
  maintaining the lore. Everybody it says clearly in the
• 1:52:31
  script that is why they're there is to maintain the rule of law
• 1:52:34
  and rather than sending all ladies down to cry on the
• 1:52:36
  basement. Here we send the children down
• 1:52:38
  to the dungeon to send the Beast below the shades of Happiness
• 1:52:42
  Patrol in here with the authoritarian State, the even a
• 1:52:45
  giant brain lifted from time in the Army.
• 1:52:47
  Yeah. They're to maintain the law.
• 1:52:49
  What has zoltar in the lift? What the fuck?
• 1:52:54
  Oh, that's just doesn't like anything 96% of all crimes
• 1:52:58
  happen in lifts. Wow, you can't, you heard of
• 1:53:01
  here first from me, but cameras in those now you be careful in
• 1:53:04
  the future, all right? Yeah.
• 1:53:05
  And in the future, they put smiles.
• 1:53:06
  So you know why. I don't think he's just sevens
• 1:53:11
  talk to. You've got 2000, add Aesthetics
• 1:53:13
  in here as well. Got such a great lock.
• 1:53:15
  You've got shades of B for Vendetta list and smiles.
• 1:53:19
  He's very deep and that's how land gridlock.
• 1:53:23
  On this loads of Star Wars references.
• 1:53:25
  In a you got Liz, 10 saying, help us talk to your Our Only
• 1:53:28
  Hope through to Joe you mentioned at the kind of trash
• 1:53:31
  compactor. Scene feels very Star Wars.
• 1:53:33
  Did you notice? It's all a load of Bin bags.
• 1:53:35
  I put down on the floor. I think they just fall on slimy
• 1:53:38
  bin bags. Well, it was like a sex video
• 1:53:40
  also once. Yeah.
• 1:53:42
  Oh sorry, please on slimy bin bags?
• 1:53:45
  Yeah. Slice everything these days.
• 1:53:47
  Yeah. No that's very German or what?
• 1:53:52
  It was sort of Alpha Centauri know.
• 1:53:54
  Let's move on. So, I think there's so many
• 1:53:57
  homages in here. I thoroughly enjoy that.
• 1:54:00
  Secondly, I like the doctrine Amy in this.
• 1:54:02
  I think that they put our leads on a journey at the start.
• 1:54:05
  They kind of in the honeymoon phase of their relationship.
• 1:54:07
  He's, you know, holding out to the Tardis.
• 1:54:09
  There are kind of blissfully happy that stage, but by the end
• 1:54:12
  kind of they've hit a wall. They've started to see beneath
• 1:54:15
  the veneer of the other one doctors appalled that Amy made a
• 1:54:18
  choice on his behalf and he had information.
• 1:54:20
  She's kind of a poor decision. He's going to say, but it's a
• 1:54:23
  Amy that realizes the truth of situation and enables the plot
• 1:54:27
  to be resolved. So I think it's, I think it's a
• 1:54:29
  lovely Lark. He's well-deserving of that hug
• 1:54:31
  at the end, where they come back together.
• 1:54:33
  Again, they've come to understand each other.
• 1:54:35
  So, I think it does take our two leads on a journey, so I think
• 1:54:38
  he's well placed for a second episode.
• 1:54:40
  We see her as bright and intuitive and compassionate and
• 1:54:44
  he's the last of his species who can't stump by on, watch a child
• 1:54:47
  cry. So, I think that works really
• 1:54:49
  well. I think the two of them a good
• 1:54:51
  in it and thirdly, I like the whole bottle.
• 1:54:53
  I like the old idea of kind of forget Or protest.
• 1:54:57
  I think there's something quite deep that they could definitely
• 1:54:59
  have explore that a little bit further.
• 1:55:01
  So obvious, those two buttons. It is done very obviously but
• 1:55:05
  that's again, the comic book is that's a good two minutes with
• 1:55:08
  everything else going on. What's wrong with a big red
• 1:55:11
  bottom but yeah, games of Stephen moffett's writing.
• 1:55:14
  Honestly, it has got stuff to say in it.
• 1:55:17
  You know, there is a clear parallel to animal cruelty.
• 1:55:19
  I mean, I eat meat but I'm an animal lover.
• 1:55:21
  So you know, you forget sometimes you choose to them.
• 1:55:24
  You choose to forget well as Sam is everything in the world, you
• 1:55:27
  know, War famine. We all choose to forget them
• 1:55:30
  blank things out of our life so that we can carry on.
• 1:55:32
  So I think I think it's got quite something deeper
• 1:55:35
  meaningful, does it, does it explode?
• 1:55:37
  That does it really kind of explore that theme for really?
• 1:55:40
  Nobody doesn't know. I wouldn't say no but I think
• 1:55:46
  there's lots and lots in this episode.
• 1:55:47
  It's a bit of a Melting Pot. I thoroughly enjoy.
• 1:55:50
  This is good. Fair itself for me.
• 1:55:52
  So I'm putting it through and it's saved for the next round.
• 1:55:56
  Okay. So Ian your second choice of
• 1:55:59
  story. okay, well, I would love to talk about now, you gonna
• 1:56:06
  have to bear with me, because I'm new to the show and I'm not
• 1:56:08
  utterly conversant with the format.
• 1:56:10
  We're doing two parties as one thing we are in date.
• 1:56:13
  Excellent. So, the hungry Earth and Cold
• 1:56:17
  Blood. Now, I've got a list of things.
• 1:56:20
  I really loved about this episode.
• 1:56:23
  Ambrose has a very nice fitted, purple jacket.
• 1:56:29
  So should we just stop that? Well, well, moving on to the To
• 1:56:34
  my problems with this two-parter.
• 1:56:36
  It's and it's not that it's badly written.
• 1:56:39
  It's just it's just ill-advised and misjudged because there's no
• 1:56:44
  story to tell here. And the story that there is to
• 1:56:47
  tell here of the previous owners of the Earth, being reawakened
• 1:56:51
  and coming back and discovering mankind has taken over their
• 1:56:54
  Planet. We've kind of seen this before
• 1:56:56
  very early in the Jon Pertwee era.
• 1:56:59
  So I don't quite understand why we're having to watch it again.
• 1:57:02
  It's a bit like having to watch human nature when we've got a
• 1:57:07
  perfectly good novel on the Shelf as I believe Gareth
• 1:57:11
  mentioned not too long ago. So I just think this whole
• 1:57:15
  two-parter is Unnecessary. Let's pop it in the bin and move
• 1:57:22
  along. Well, okay, let's go to our
• 1:57:26
  comments, they all so they've got up in something.
• 1:57:31
  Crash dummy. Said so dull.
• 1:57:33
  I fell asleep watching it. I forget it exists.
• 1:57:36
  Oh sorry I'm not ready. Hang on Jason Thompson.
• 1:57:40
  Oh Lord did it. Some good ideas with the
• 1:57:43
  silurian redesign, totally loses.
• 1:57:45
  Most of the things that made them distinctive and just make
• 1:57:48
  some literal lizard people. However, the death of Rory, is
• 1:57:51
  the most dramatic death we've seen so far, and the contrast
• 1:57:54
  when Amy forgets him as the crack, absorbs him, it's
• 1:57:56
  shocking. Fraser Gregory champion of the
• 1:58:00
  Damned says the early graveyard seems are probably atmospheric
• 1:58:03
  and chilling. Then we have the scene, where,
• 1:58:05
  Rory dies, and Amy forgets. Tell me, Dylan and Smith aren't
• 1:58:08
  superb and I will show you this story.
• 1:58:10
  It's probably the most underappreciated of the seasons
• 1:58:14
  gems but it bloody brilliant Gillian is so hideous.
• 1:58:18
  Acting is so bad. In this story, is he watching
• 1:58:22
  the same thing? Remember that bit?
• 1:58:24
  Where she's on the screen, I like, she's just almost been
• 1:58:26
  killed, so that's traumatic. And she thinks Rory is in
• 1:58:30
  trouble. She's just goes, oh man, what is
• 1:58:34
  he talking about? Says, it's bloody brilliant.
• 1:58:37
  He's mad Paul Kresser. I did quite like this, I maybe
• 1:58:40
  old-fashioned but I think new who is always better.
• 1:58:43
  What it does? More traditional classic Who
• 1:58:45
  stars story? Daniel honestly says quaint
• 1:58:48
  Village. Setting, big mining things I
• 1:58:49
  lorians Lane Cliffhanger, talking follow-up could have
• 1:58:53
  should have been companion, nazreen gray, moral debate.
• 1:58:55
  That's all. So, a bit dull Italy's. 6
• 1:58:58
  series, mixtape Smith rules Roar is first death was shocking.
• 1:59:01
  It's nice for staff though. He's just died.
• 1:59:03
  Already in Amy's Choice. Second death.
• 1:59:06
  Not his last. Daniel Knight just as victory,
• 1:59:09
  Nick power of the Daleks, this Cherry picks elements the part.
• 1:59:12
  We era such as the demons, the green death, and Inferno, Mira
• 1:59:16
  ciao has a nice Rapport Smith. The new Sailor are okay, greatly
• 1:59:20
  helped by need mapping, child, she's superb performance.
• 1:59:23
  James had been banners is the silurian part of the plot is
• 1:59:26
  okay. If highly predictable, the glowy
• 1:59:29
  crack means this is a bin Rory gets killed and or removed from
• 1:59:32
  time before he bangs Amy to make River.
• 1:59:35
  But nope. No.
• 1:59:36
  Repercussions at all been this whole fucking plot Michael
• 1:59:40
  store. Of course, he lost more, but he
• 1:59:43
  hates children. Do they a doll retreat with the
• 1:59:45
  original song? Lyrics and story with crappy
• 1:59:47
  assault areas and schizophrenic plotting and characterization.
• 1:59:51
  They were setting. Silurian is scary and then nice
• 1:59:55
  for no reason. He's not wrong.
• 1:59:57
  Being. All queen says, a partition.
• 2:00:00
  Peart, we put without the budget here, a major government
• 2:00:03
  drilling project. He's run by three people in a
• 2:00:06
  small boy, he's not wrong but it's quite well done with some
• 2:00:10
  creepy camera work. Then enter the negotiating seen,
• 2:00:13
  it's like a really dull episode of Star Trek next Generation,
• 2:00:17
  but the ending is amazing with some incredible acting from
• 2:00:21
  Cullen. Get Karen Gillan.
• 2:00:23
  Joe look, I mean she's been so mean to him at this point she
• 2:00:26
  was bound to forget this. What she Joel lewellyn didn't
• 2:00:29
  really like it as much as the other stories maybe the writer
• 2:00:32
  can do better in the future. Sadly he did not.
• 2:00:35
  Yeah. Well said, Julie, Andy Parkinson
• 2:00:39
  says a good guest. Customer is great to see the
• 2:00:41
  silurians back. Are they the silos?
• 2:00:43
  They look very different. Some good scares but
• 2:00:45
  unfortunately, it's style over substance, as not a lot actually
• 2:00:48
  happens. And finally, Paul smeeze says, a
• 2:00:51
  story that gets a fair amount of hate.
• 2:00:53
  However, I really like it. The Silo is look, fine.
• 2:00:56
  Rory gets a lot to do the night. Filming is very impressive.
• 2:01:01
  So Gareth knowing your love for the season so far.
• 2:01:04
  Hey, comes Mr. Chiba's is in, or is it out?
• 2:01:08
  Well, we've got chimal in, haven't we?
• 2:01:10
  Oh, and he's coming back. No, no no, don't don't like that
• 2:01:15
  is Chip, not he's back. Let's just give him a chance.
• 2:01:18
  It's called to develop somehow So the first part, we get this
• 2:01:23
  wonderful sense of location. It's a nice location.
• 2:01:27
  It's got that wonderful cut off nurse about it so there's going
• 2:01:30
  to be a sense of Jeopardy that's going to kick in.
• 2:01:32
  Yes there's only a few people but actually we make it a close
• 2:01:36
  knit family which is quite good. We get the nice introduction to
• 2:01:40
  the people that surround here and something.
• 2:01:42
  Which two parties in new who gets very right is its
• 2:01:46
  introduction to characters. Getting this to care about these
• 2:01:48
  characters, we start to develop into the relationship with
• 2:01:50
  Ambrose and the son and a husband and her dad which is
• 2:01:54
  crucially important for understanding.
• 2:01:56
  A lot of the impact that happens in the second episode.
• 2:01:59
  And it's a solid, when everything goes dark.
• 2:02:03
  And they're running around making all the plans and
• 2:02:05
  everything. Rory is actually fully in swing
• 2:02:08
  here because now he's on board and he's going along with people
• 2:02:11
  being a Plain clothes police officer in.
• 2:02:15
  So it's got a nice sense of urgency to eat.
• 2:02:19
  And the second episode was called Cold Blood.
• 2:02:22
  It. And that's exactly my expression
• 2:02:26
  as well about how my blood feels effing had to watch the second
• 2:02:30
  episode because we suddenly introduced to an aerator at the
• 2:02:35
  start of this episode, who up to this.
• 2:02:36
  Now point we have never had any engagement with having this
• 2:02:40
  great wonderful. Tapestry of people put in front
• 2:02:43
  of us. We're certainly having this very
• 2:02:45
  old. Go tell us about this thing
• 2:02:47
  that's happening and all these great.
• 2:02:48
  Oh, Hey, where's the celera know?
• 2:02:51
  Guys, lie, he is, which makes us even more problematic.
• 2:02:54
  He would have any sense of Jeopardy later on because he's
• 2:02:57
  clearly telling us a story back that he's already lived through.
• 2:02:59
  So we know he's gonna survive so far a problem I call him the
• 2:03:03
  solar and, oh, God, because I can't remember his name.
• 2:03:05
  I mean he was the voice of Marvin, the Droid.
• 2:03:11
  And he just really falls apart and then we go through the list
• 2:03:19
  of stuff contact in the salarians to the humans.
• 2:03:22
  Very generic computer, really wasn't anything better than
• 2:03:26
  that. Just superimposed something on a
• 2:03:28
  bit of an old Mac in the back corner guard.
• 2:03:30
  Imagine if they just had knocked your phones knocking around like
• 2:03:33
  three tens and never get a blue picture through.
• 2:03:34
  And why is Amy the ambassador of the planet?
• 2:03:38
  She really the best, we've got his point.
• 2:03:40
  How she treats Roary. Well, he did.
• 2:03:44
  The doctor is she puts The death of Rory itself, then really,
• 2:03:53
  overshadows it. The death of Rory obviously, has
• 2:03:57
  to happen for narrative purposes, but the fact that it
• 2:03:59
  happens at the end, takes a complete wind out of the whole
• 2:04:02
  side Loreen if they are silurian storyline.
• 2:04:05
  Because now we're focused on this thing which has happened to
• 2:04:08
  one of the main characters, which is not actually part of
• 2:04:10
  the silurian story. We've been invested to for the
• 2:04:13
  last two parts, And it just completely undermines it even
• 2:04:18
  when you get the code at the end where they kind of wrapping
• 2:04:21
  everything up with all the people above, you're still in
• 2:04:23
  the back of your mind, thinking about Rory, and what's happened
• 2:04:26
  to him. And the fact that we don't seem
• 2:04:27
  to be fighting tooth and Claw or finding a way to get him back
• 2:04:32
  somehow. With this.
• 2:04:33
  Incredibly clever, man, that Amy is now traveling with a nor is
• 2:04:36
  he trying to impress upon her the importance of having tried
• 2:04:39
  to in the Tardis get to remember who he is.
• 2:04:41
  He never takes it any further. The forward see my previous
• 2:04:44
  arguments in the doctor about how Amy and the doctor and Rory
• 2:04:48
  is dynamic and the doctor not seemingly want to bring roaring
• 2:04:51
  back which again feels flying to the character.
• 2:04:52
  Then you have the Ambrose lecture that he gives He
• 2:04:56
  lectures, bloody Ambrose on the way she's been and what she's
• 2:04:59
  done. This is the guy who destroyed
• 2:05:02
  all the Galatians in his own, bloody Mind by this point in
• 2:05:05
  time. And this also then features as
• 2:05:08
  part of what was the last one, we taught these below as well
• 2:05:10
  when he's ranking about people. Because he's putting all this
• 2:05:13
  anger, and the sense of disgust about how people have behaved
• 2:05:17
  and yet he willingly willingly by his own memory, destroyed an
• 2:05:23
  entire race. It cannot be defended on these
• 2:05:28
  points. And then we're going to get the
• 2:05:30
  PS the resistance themselves or piss of resistance, which is the
• 2:05:34
  silurian designs. What are they?
• 2:05:37
  Why why did you feel the need to do that?
• 2:05:40
  What? Now, let's go back to the big
• 2:05:41
  book of Doctor Who, which actually says they felt the need
• 2:05:44
  to do that because they couldn't deliver the script that had been
• 2:05:46
  given. right, another bloody script then It wasn't a great
• 2:05:50
  thing. If you're gonna pick the
• 2:05:52
  silurians, you know, the constraints you have to work
• 2:05:55
  with going to Ians Point, why rehash a story you've already
• 2:05:58
  told us. And one of the things I'm very
• 2:06:00
  annoyed with myself about at this point in time, it's the
• 2:06:02
  fact that the narrator says we will wake again in 1,000 years.
• 2:06:05
  Does anyone worked out the dating for when worries of the
• 2:06:08
  deepest at all? But this point because at some
• 2:06:11
  point 284 284 all right, so maybe it's a lot later, so they
• 2:06:16
  work up even early then So, he's wrong.
• 2:06:19
  There's no coherence to this whatsoever.
• 2:06:22
  I wish on the first episode, I could put this through because
• 2:06:25
  the first episode is great as a building a sense of drama about
• 2:06:29
  itself. But by the second episode, it
• 2:06:31
  all Cascades so much that we're holding it together for a
• 2:06:35
  narrative from a guy, whose nothing involved in it at all.
• 2:06:40
  So yeah, it's a no from me. So I go next to, you know, be
• 2:06:44
  positive about the hungrier, you're not gonna be Why would I
• 2:06:49
  not be positive about, you know, a lovely triple script?
• 2:06:52
  Well quite Fucking shit, isn't it?
• 2:06:56
  That's one. This is really, really, really
• 2:07:00
  pissed. Finally God.
• 2:07:04
  So I mean people have already picked up.
• 2:07:06
  This feels and looks so familiar.
• 2:07:08
  Last time around chippers did planet of evil when he needed 40
• 2:07:11
  to this time. We'd go back to put.
• 2:07:14
  We've got the heat, don't from the demons.
• 2:07:15
  We've got the underground, Silo ins from that.
• 2:07:18
  Be The Silo incense. We got the Welsh mining Village
• 2:07:21
  from Green death. We've got characters that see
• 2:07:24
  each other and that's kind of time, powered Paradox, like day
• 2:07:27
  of the dog days of the darks and that didn't get answered either.
• 2:07:30
  We've got escapes up vertical tunnels, using an Antigravity
• 2:07:34
  disc from Planet of the Daleks. There's lots and lots of poetry
• 2:07:37
  throwaways in it. There's also lots of Davidson, I
• 2:07:39
  mean, the early scenes of people being dragged down into the
• 2:07:41
  Earth, that's very Frontiers. We've got a young doctor
• 2:07:44
  aligning himself with an older woman like Kinder who's also
• 2:07:47
  like the Awakening which like this story has a group of people
• 2:07:50
  hiding in a church whilst they faced its attack.
• 2:07:53
  And also like another Dave, some story where is the Deep?
• 2:07:56
  There's a more warlike aggressive, Army of silurians.
• 2:07:59
  So this is just a retread and it just for me, this feels so out
• 2:08:04
  of keeping with everything else that's going on around there
• 2:08:07
  like to low with that. Moth is doing new and different
• 2:08:11
  things in this season unless just feels like a throwback of
• 2:08:16
  the laziest, kind my second reason is the lunken US of some
• 2:08:22
  of the scripting and some of the production decisions there.
• 2:08:24
  So we start with that gold, awful overly signed posted sign.
• 2:08:28
  Rory asking Amy to take her engagement ring off, so I can go
• 2:08:32
  and take it and put it in the Tardis.
• 2:08:34
  You know, I'm waiting for a big sign to flush on the screen
• 2:08:37
  saying obvious plot are. Hey, that's Oh my God.
• 2:08:43
  It's so so humbly done. And then we repeat that about 10
• 2:08:48
  minutes later when Elliott says to the doctor.
• 2:08:50
  I'm going to go and get my headphones again.
• 2:08:52
  Oh, is that going to end badly? Maybe it will.
• 2:08:55
  And then we pay make this big big play of a countdown for the
• 2:09:00
  silurians coming up. There's a big dramatic moment.
• 2:09:02
  Let's count the minutes and the doctor gives some three minutes.
• 2:09:06
  He tells them find every single phone, every camera, every piece
• 2:09:10
  of it, transmitting or recording equipment, every movement,
• 2:09:13
  sensor, every light strip, they do that.
• 2:09:15
  They do that in three minutes and then they place them all in
• 2:09:18
  strategic positions around the village.
• 2:09:20
  Why them up and connect it all in three minutes, it takes me.
• 2:09:25
  Three minutes to turn my fucking up top on let alone, do all of
• 2:09:28
  that. So again why make this big play
• 2:09:31
  of counting down the minutes and then give them a ludicrous
• 2:09:34
  amount of time to do and in that three minutes Ellie at mirroring
• 2:09:38
  and obviously, from 4 to Doomsday, and yet another
• 2:09:40
  Davidson throwback managers to draw this earthquake map of the
• 2:09:44
  village. It's beautiful.
• 2:09:45
  And he's got Three minutes to do that.
• 2:09:47
  Well done, kit. But then, when the layer is
• 2:09:51
  captured, she tells the this is really weird.
• 2:09:53
  She tells the humans one of you is going to kill me.
• 2:09:57
  What are the Cyclones suddenly psychic?
• 2:10:00
  Where does that come from? It's such an odd, scripting
• 2:10:03
  decision because it robs, what's going to come up, any dramatic
• 2:10:07
  potential whatsoever because she's already prophesied or told
• 2:10:11
  us that one of them's going to kill him.
• 2:10:12
  It's such a really weird scripting.
• 2:10:15
  And then when Ambrose actually does kill alya, I cannot just
• 2:10:19
  really weird. The doctors said she is
• 2:10:21
  important to your son's safe day and yet.
• 2:10:24
  She teases him a layer to death. Why would a mother who's
• 2:10:28
  supposedly cares about her child?
• 2:10:30
  Kill the thing that she has been told will keep him alive?
• 2:10:33
  It's Bonkers. Gary that's very annoying roles.
• 2:10:37
  Well, I'm not but that is her child, you know, cut her.
• 2:10:41
  Song. Um Cara's absolutely right.
• 2:10:43
  The silurians contact, the humans fire an old computer but
• 2:10:46
  that old computer is laying in a box.
• 2:10:48
  It's not even plugged in. It's just laying in a corner and
• 2:10:51
  suddenly it's Springs to life, but the bet I absolutely love
• 2:10:54
  about her. And once you've seen it, you
• 2:10:56
  just can't not see it anymore because it's something struck me
• 2:10:58
  watching it, the silurian is obviously talking to their
• 2:11:02
  version of a webcam, but that webcam, the salon is talking to
• 2:11:05
  it's incredibly sophisticated because it does panning shots,
• 2:11:09
  it does Zoom shots in and out, my webcam isn't quite capable of
• 2:11:13
  doing that. It's almost as though it was a
• 2:11:15
  bit of directed television. And then the clunky clunky scene
• 2:11:20
  of all the negotiation table, how to Amy and nazreen, talk for
• 2:11:25
  Earth. How would that be enacted?
• 2:11:26
  The doctor doesn't even fucking known Nazarene.
• 2:11:28
  She could be a further backsetter or a reformer, and
• 2:11:32
  the never even asks a day and you speak for us we should have
• 2:11:38
  been a follow-up episode where the Earth they built with some
• 2:11:41
  Nazi stuff. Yeah, nothing when she sits down
• 2:11:44
  stools, I'll sit down to talk to him.
• 2:11:46
  She takes out a clue Cox Clan masks, isn't it?
• 2:11:52
  And then he got that sugary voice so far, and then right at
• 2:11:56
  the end, we've got the sudden appearance of Amy's, fucking
• 2:11:59
  crap. Comes back again, sucks roaring
• 2:12:02
  into it. It is the only bit of drama in
• 2:12:04
  that story, but it's so grafted onto everything else.
• 2:12:07
  So that and then the character's silence are so one know military
• 2:12:12
  is bad, scientists are good. And the humans are so without
• 2:12:16
  depth, I don't know anything about Fucking Tony or Ambrose or
• 2:12:19
  know who even are these people? They're superficial.
• 2:12:22
  I don't know who they are. I don't care who they are.
• 2:12:24
  Suck them all into the crack and just be done with this shit.
• 2:12:28
  All of the story, are you finished?
• 2:12:31
  Do you feel better? Oh yeah.
• 2:12:37
  No. I was watching, it's your turn.
• 2:12:47
  Yes, I would like to. Oh, I mean, obviously, you're
• 2:12:50
  all right, and it's just a problem and obviously it has to
• 2:12:52
  go. I would like to explain know via
• 2:12:57
  three reasons as to why moth it gets this completely wrong
• 2:13:02
  Moffitt. You say, this is written by ship
• 2:13:05
  null. Yes, but it is indicative of
• 2:13:07
  three things. They always gets very wrong
• 2:13:10
  every year, all right. Number one, he cannot structure
• 2:13:15
  a season, like, Rusty Davis. Towards the end of a rusty Davis
• 2:13:18
  season. He would give you humiliation
• 2:13:21
  family of blood blink. You told PR sound of drums
• 2:13:24
  momentum. Yeah.
• 2:13:26
  You look at his Seasons, the second half of Morpheus seasons
• 2:13:30
  are just dogs. He starts and well, look at ten,
• 2:13:34
  and then we end up in the monk Trilogy.
• 2:13:36
  And the whole fucking season just grinds to a whole
• 2:13:39
  volleyball, Empress of Mars of light, boring boring boring
• 2:13:42
  before he comes to Die and saves the day with the two parts
• 2:13:48
  finale to make himself. Look great.
• 2:13:49
  Well, this is the first example of that and yeah, the whole
• 2:13:53
  season just grinds to a hole. This is one of the the tent pegs
• 2:13:57
  of the season is two episodes. And yeah it's just hideous.
• 2:14:02
  The second thing he gets wrong is he feels more screen full of
• 2:14:05
  irritating fucking children that I just want to murder and he's
• 2:14:09
  been doing it since the beginning of the season but the
• 2:14:11
  kid in this my God she should have just murdered that soil and
• 2:14:16
  just to have him bumped off. I just hate them all.
• 2:14:19
  I hate every child in the Moffitt era.
• 2:14:21
  They're sacred therapy. Fucking kid in night.
• 2:14:26
  Terrors that awful pairing Nightmare and silver.
• 2:14:28
  All of them, man. Let's put them all.
• 2:14:35
  Maybe maybe going a little bit too far.
• 2:14:37
  Now, just don't care. Reign it back a bit.
• 2:14:40
  They're only fictional characters.
• 2:14:41
  I won't do it in real life. You're listening to the
• 2:14:45
  infanticide podcast. Well yeah, so yeah, and the
• 2:14:52
  child is especially annoying in this.
• 2:14:53
  And the other thing he does really really badly.
• 2:14:56
  Steve Moffitt is redesign monsters, classic monsters.
• 2:14:59
  We've had two lots this year, terrible fucking Daleks and even
• 2:15:03
  worse silence because somehow they take heed everything that
• 2:15:07
  made those masks distinctive in the silurians and turn them into
• 2:15:11
  Star Trek. Aliens.
• 2:15:12
  It just looks like latex slapped on somebody's face and yeah,
• 2:15:16
  they can give a better performance, but they look so
• 2:15:18
  fucking boring. They whoever said it?
• 2:15:20
  Yeah. It's like I'm watching an
• 2:15:21
  episode of TNG. It's just terrible.
• 2:15:23
  That is not what Doctor Who should be aspiring to make those
• 2:15:27
  original masks work. They had a lot of dialogue in
• 2:15:30
  the silurians more than they have in this.
• 2:15:32
  Oh I hate, I hate the three people just having in the face
• 2:15:37
  of the Earth so much just wouldn't happen in any way,
• 2:15:40
  shape or form. Why that was even considered as
• 2:15:43
  a possibility of the second episode battles.
• 2:15:45
  Me like does he did? Scripted.
• 2:15:48
  It ship. No Scripts.
• 2:15:50
  I don't know. I don't know that he did.
• 2:15:52
  No, I don't think he does. I think Chipmunks.
• 2:15:54
  One of those that is allowed just to have a free range.
• 2:15:57
  He's And yeah, I don't believe any of their characters nazreen.
• 2:16:04
  Feels like she stepped out of like CBBC and her relationship
• 2:16:08
  with that. Stop Welshman.
• 2:16:09
  That's in there who remember him in tortured.
• 2:16:12
  He was absolutely chilling in that guy.
• 2:16:14
  With the Eternal scream? Do you remember?
• 2:16:16
  Yep absolutely brilliant. Very boring this and that's a
• 2:16:20
  total lack of chemistry so we're not really buying you know the
• 2:16:23
  will they won't they for out this because just know?
• 2:16:26
  Yeah I hate every second of this.
• 2:16:29
  If I'm honest there's a few moments of atmosphere in part
• 2:16:33
  one, got his dog. Yes please, let's Bend this.
• 2:16:38
  So strangely enough hungry? Yes, he's going in the bed.
• 2:16:41
  Hey alright, I am going to pay I'm gonna pick Amish choice.
• 2:16:49
  and, Joe, you've just been talking about murdering lovely
• 2:16:53
  children. But on the, on the converse side
• 2:16:56
  of that, how can you not enjoy an old lady being bludgeoned
• 2:16:59
  with a plank by Rory wearing a pigtail or, you know, another
• 2:17:02
  old lady being pushed to death off off a roof, you know, great
• 2:17:06
  fun for all the family. Seriously like this, this is
• 2:17:09
  fun, but I think it does standing stark contrast to a
• 2:17:14
  Moffett story because the two rug polls in here.
• 2:17:16
  I think. In contrast to moffett's, rug
• 2:17:19
  pulls, which are usually bloody good.
• 2:17:21
  I think the two rug polls here are not very satisfactory, so
• 2:17:25
  the first one, that both, the Tardis story on the village
• 2:17:28
  story are both dreams. I think that's signposted far
• 2:17:32
  too obviously and far too early on.
• 2:17:34
  I got it straight away by the fact, the dream Lord is in both
• 2:17:37
  places. If the dream Lord is in both
• 2:17:39
  places, it is a dream. So I don't think there's any
• 2:17:42
  sense of Jeopardy that ones real, and once a dream, how the
• 2:17:46
  doctor doesn't work that out Christ, only knows it's just too
• 2:17:49
  obvious. And then the second rug poll
• 2:17:52
  that always just space on is very weak and it's all so left
• 2:17:58
  field, you know, good twist should be.
• 2:18:00
  I know the old cliche in plain sight but space pollen just
• 2:18:04
  comes from no where and it just feels a very very episode you
• 2:18:09
  know, flying about in both both States of being.
• 2:18:13
  All right? It's what it is yeah you see the
• 2:18:16
  colony sort of fluttering about then the only has five little
• 2:18:19
  seeds of it and his hand at the end and blows out well for her.
• 2:18:25
  So but despite those gripes, I do think those two things, let
• 2:18:29
  it down. But despite that I am going to
• 2:18:31
  put this one through, I think it's kind of fundamental to the
• 2:18:35
  season structure. So we're at the midpoint now.
• 2:18:37
  So I think it's good time to go to refocus on and redirect Our
• 2:18:40
  Gang of characters. Specially now that raw is on
• 2:18:43
  board. We kind of end the spell we
• 2:18:45
  should and the speculation as to aim is desires and intentions.
• 2:18:49
  Although weirdly fans continue with that into next year, when
• 2:18:52
  they're wondering, whether aim is child, is the doctors which I
• 2:18:56
  don't know why people went down that but that's the next year,
• 2:18:58
  he tried to fuck him this year. Yeah, well that's why we will
• 2:19:03
  get our voiding that bit to the moment, but, you know, just look
• 2:19:06
  at what the strongest in the opening episode Amy's, runoff
• 2:19:09
  with the doctor, but she's partly doing that, she's running
• 2:19:11
  away from a wedding, she's on certain about what she wants to
• 2:19:14
  do them from the Beast below to flash and stone their friends,
• 2:19:17
  having Adventures, but we get reminded she is putting off
• 2:19:21
  making a decision. She does that conversation with
• 2:19:25
  bracelet? We talked about her about
• 2:19:26
  funding, someone who shouldn't and obviously that's addressing.
• 2:19:29
  She got a crush on the doctor. I am not going to talk about the
• 2:19:32
  scene and flushing blood because I'm just exciting that bit
• 2:19:36
  special blood that's actually flashing Stone oh because that's
• 2:19:41
  kind of about sex not about love but Got that.
• 2:19:45
  But then by vampires we can see that Amy is with Rory.
• 2:19:48
  Yes, she's off with him in the episode Joe, you've pointed out
• 2:19:51
  a great length, but at the end of that episode, she is happy
• 2:19:56
  that he comes on board, she invites him on board, she
• 2:19:58
  doesn't lift by, she's happy on know, she is happy to have both
• 2:20:02
  of them there, and she's happy to be between them.
• 2:20:04
  And she explicitly says that the end of the vampires of Venice.
• 2:20:07
  She wants to men. Oh, I was explicitly said in
• 2:20:12
  this story. Yeah, not that.
• 2:20:14
  No fucking kill him for her to fit to feel anything for him.
• 2:20:19
  He said, she loves Rory. Rory is the man.
• 2:20:23
  She's going to choose. She loves the adventure with the
• 2:20:26
  right now. It's not talking about shagging
• 2:20:30
  or jumping on them. She's talking about, she wants
• 2:20:33
  that life. And we see that here because we
• 2:20:35
  see that the ordinary life that she sees in the dream, she's
• 2:20:38
  frustrated, she's unfulfilled on the moment Rory dies and she
• 2:20:42
  realized that that's the life. She was three next.
• 2:20:45
  To each other, flesh, and stone where she trusts the fucking the
• 2:20:47
  next one, where she's playing two men off against each other.
• 2:20:49
  And this one where she is all, you know, oh, bringing back.
• 2:20:53
  He's the one I want. It's just so inconsistent, it
• 2:20:57
  makes no sense. Don't, I will find that there is
• 2:21:02
  very bad character. There is inconsistency because
• 2:21:04
  this story does, make clear. That it's not the doctor she's
• 2:21:08
  interested in. She's interested in the life
• 2:21:10
  that he can give her and the adventures.
• 2:21:12
  But I do take your point. I was at this point where I was
• 2:21:16
  like, I just I'm not a bored with this character.
• 2:21:19
  I just don't get what they're trying to say about her apart
• 2:21:22
  from the fact that she is a selfish cow.
• 2:21:25
  Well, we might, we might get to some of that later on, but I
• 2:21:29
  think the story works well, as kind of that restructuring of
• 2:21:33
  the team to move this into the second part of the series.
• 2:21:36
  Second thing, I like the bleakness of this.
• 2:21:38
  I mean, what's more dispiriting and Bleak that that's hard
• 2:21:41
  heading towards a nice star and everyone dies of death or being
• 2:21:44
  stuck in a cold wet. Muddy dank Welsh village in the
• 2:21:48
  middle of winter which is pretty fucking depressed.
• 2:21:50
  Like, I think if the upper LED with scenes have been filmed in
• 2:21:53
  summertime and it was bright and Charlotte that would give him
• 2:21:55
  too much of a contrast between the two.
• 2:21:57
  So I think the fact that it looked really bloody miserable
• 2:22:00
  worked really well and Joe, you'll be happy because alone
• 2:22:03
  more children get killed in the Sun.
• 2:22:04
  So that's a plus video. So, I like the bleakness off, I
• 2:22:09
  think the tone works really well there.
• 2:22:10
  A third reason, I like this is, you know, this is where the mask
• 2:22:14
  of the doctor starts to slip. We've seen this Matt Smith
• 2:22:17
  Doctor being, you know, very light and frothy.
• 2:22:20
  Yes, we've seen in mangroves. As we saw him angry in Victoria
• 2:22:24
  of the Daleks, we saw him and the Beast below, but generally
• 2:22:27
  he's quite like this store. I think what this does because
• 2:22:30
  we find out that the dream Lord is a projection of him and that
• 2:22:33
  projection kind of teases a mocks in and he shows us some
• 2:22:36
  kind of level of say, self-hatred there.
• 2:22:38
  Suggests is more of a fragility to this doctor and he gives him
• 2:22:42
  a layer of depth without any of the kind of big overblown
• 2:22:45
  history on next. So I think that starts to give
• 2:22:47
  us a much more a much better insight into the doctor and the
• 2:22:51
  characterization that we're going to see going forward.
• 2:22:53
  So I think that's really an interesting take.
• 2:22:57
  So for those reasons I would like to put this one through.
• 2:23:00
  If I may, please Shall we go to the comments Jody want to start?
• 2:23:06
  Because I need to find them now. You're almost says ridiculously
• 2:23:09
  underrated and oh yeah, that's right.
• 2:23:11
  Ridiculously underrated anthology of two stories tied up
• 2:23:14
  by a third invasion of the creepy old pensioners,
• 2:23:17
  inception-like surrealism and a particularly strong outing for
• 2:23:20
  Karen Gillan. Also are, we completely sure
• 2:23:23
  that Toby Jones is scaving verbal takedown of Matt Smith
• 2:23:25
  Doctor at the beginning. Tort Workshop Cocker made me
• 2:23:29
  here. Intergalactic wag was indeed
• 2:23:31
  written by Simon and I and not by one of the strictly hosts, he
• 2:23:36
  might be talking about you. That is divorced, Michael
• 2:23:39
  storms, solid episode. Where for about?
• 2:23:41
  90% of the duration. I was convinced the dream world
• 2:23:43
  was the Toy Maker. The space pollen ending was cop
• 2:23:46
  out, but it could be read as the doctor making it up.
• 2:23:48
  John Cook. The dream Lord is used
• 2:23:50
  brilliantly to show an alternative world.
• 2:23:52
  The Toby Jones is suitably Sinister, stuck Karen's on top
• 2:23:56
  form. As is necessary.
• 2:23:58
  Given her prominence here. Jason Thompson said I love the
• 2:24:01
  image of old people, as an alien threat.
• 2:24:03
  Rory is death here, it's quite affecting but it loses something
• 2:24:06
  on rewatch. Knowing this will become his
• 2:24:08
  thing. I'm not sure how I feel about
• 2:24:10
  Amy choosing suicide family show.
• 2:24:12
  Offered Daniel Knight weird. But in a good way, Toby Jones is
• 2:24:16
  superbly creepy. And the weirdness of the plot is
• 2:24:18
  well realized such as the community here, very memorable
• 2:24:24
  in the mouths of the old dears. It's a shame Simon and I wasn't
• 2:24:27
  asked back and otherwise were naming, no names.
• 2:24:30
  He means chipping know, Big Orange, Michael says, Moffitt
• 2:24:33
  and Company pull the rug out from under us and I love it.
• 2:24:36
  I still think the dream Lord is Neco of the valley art a Sully
• 2:24:40
  creepy entertaining story. They ready.
• 2:24:42
  Toby Jones is excellent. As a reflection of the doctor's
• 2:24:45
  self-loathing, love the Frozen star.
• 2:24:47
  The Inception inspired Dreamscape with deadly older
• 2:24:49
  people, Rory, with a ponytail on being locked in a butchers
• 2:24:52
  freezer one of my favorite ever episodes.
• 2:24:55
  Oh Fraser Gregory said the perfect example of why non genre
• 2:24:59
  writers? Be commissioned more, take two
• 2:25:02
  stories, not long enough for a full episode.
• 2:25:03
  Wrap a third round them at the superlative Toby Jones and you
• 2:25:07
  have another unappreciated germ. Crummy a brilliant character
• 2:25:11
  piece with the guest performance of the sorry, with the guest
• 2:25:13
  performance of the series, keeps you guessing and sticks The
• 2:25:16
  Landing perfectly? I hope everyone's sitting down
• 2:25:18
  because James Hayden Bennett is about to be positive ish.
• 2:25:22
  He says this is a nominal, a note.
• 2:25:25
  Sorry, I can't even speak. I'm not excited an emotional.
• 2:25:28
  Keep the ending was obvious but it's saved by The Dream.
• 2:25:31
  Lord screen presence. Oh, and the oapse have green
• 2:25:34
  attraction in their mouths attracts see, from the first
• 2:25:37
  episode. The big eyeball were used to fix
• 2:25:42
  China, Jack really engaged in Joel that this part of the
• 2:25:45
  series needed that examiners. This Tardis dynamic in detail,
• 2:25:49
  let his not real. Like the power of state is a
• 2:25:52
  dream Village. So how best to read is it this
• 2:25:54
  home that in a Dream Island, B says, not bad.
• 2:25:57
  Little story in a great exploration as a doctor's dark
• 2:26:00
  side, only doctor who could do killer APS.
• 2:26:03
  I was a little uncomfortable at the doctor.
• 2:26:05
  Self-harm line though and finally all smile, very
• 2:26:08
  intriguing story. Toby Jones is fantastic as a
• 2:26:11
  dream laws. So go on Joe, you go for this
• 2:26:13
  one now. I'll go last.
• 2:26:14
  Okay, let's go to Ian. Remember when Dr, Who was always
• 2:26:20
  filmed in Television Studios and you just longed for them to get
• 2:26:23
  a bit of fresh air and maybe have one story with some
• 2:26:27
  exteriors season 5, feels like it was all filmed on location
• 2:26:31
  and this is the most kind of it really kind of hammered it home,
• 2:26:37
  this one, you've got, you've got lead worth again.
• 2:26:40
  You've got, you've got butcher shops, you've got all these
• 2:26:43
  wonderful, Real World locations which are not a crappy little
• 2:26:46
  studio with a spaceship in them. So I love it because it feels
• 2:26:53
  very real and very earthy. It's obviously comically very
• 2:26:57
  adroit. You've got Simon, I who is from
• 2:26:59
  my money. One of the most structurally,
• 2:27:02
  gifted sitcom writers of the 90s.
• 2:27:05
  Yes, it's a slight story. Yes, it's a terrible ending but
• 2:27:11
  you've got Toby Jones so for no real massive overarching reason.
• 2:27:17
  I think this one goes through just because there's nothing
• 2:27:20
  wrong with it and the good points out weigh the bad.
• 2:27:26
  Earth. Well, you've heard me rant once
• 2:27:31
  I was on this episode one little bit and I haven't even talked
• 2:27:35
  about fall trousers. This time round.
• 2:27:37
  Excellent. But you're not gonna get that
• 2:27:40
  from me this time. Oh positivity.
• 2:27:42
  Absolutely. I think Toby Jones's dreamlord
• 2:27:46
  is Sublime and absolutely steals this show the toward wreck
• 2:27:50
  Workshop has already been referenced.
• 2:27:52
  I do have another favorite line on one of the transitions when
• 2:27:55
  he's a doctor and they're falling down in the old.
• 2:27:57
  Folks only goes take two and call me in the morning.
• 2:28:01
  He's absolutely wonderful. A little piece of be kind of
• 2:28:05
  hoped. It was going to turn out that
• 2:28:07
  Matt Smith was actually the fraud by the end of this
• 2:28:10
  episode. I'm gonna get Toby Joe's some
• 2:28:12
  planting, so, yeah, by the ending was a bit disappointing
• 2:28:16
  for me, but I love the fact of the getting into a camper van
• 2:28:22
  the slowest vehicle, possible trying to get away from ambling
• 2:28:26
  pensioners which are bloody hilarious.
• 2:28:29
  Watch them, and simmer friends across the road, looks like
• 2:28:33
  something out of the Dead. I think he's absolutely
• 2:28:35
  brilliant. The relationship tension that we
• 2:28:38
  started to get from Amy and Rory more.
• 2:28:41
  Like the fact of Rory, getting a pair of balls by this point
• 2:28:44
  because she talks about the fact that she gonna get married
• 2:28:47
  someday and obviously Ferrari somedays tomorrow and he ends up
• 2:28:50
  throwing in over to the someday, we all have to grow up and it's
• 2:28:55
  the first time he really come from her about this which
• 2:28:58
  obviously makes the fact that we're watching their
• 2:29:00
  relationship gets disintegrated by an England Invasion later on
• 2:29:03
  all the more poignant especially when he's ultimately
• 2:29:06
  disintegrated ponytail and all and, The other thing I quite
• 2:29:12
  like about this, that it kind of highlights which I don't think
• 2:29:15
  is often talked about enough is that we find out that obviously
• 2:29:19
  the dream Lord is the pollen feeding off the doctor, in terms
• 2:29:23
  of creating this character and the dream will actually mentions
• 2:29:27
  that the doctor is competing with Amy.
• 2:29:30
  Now, how would the dream Lord know that unless the doctor knew
• 2:29:34
  he was doing that? It's never mentioned thereafter.
• 2:29:38
  So we think that this is all one side did have how the way that
• 2:29:43
  Amy treats roaring. Actually, the doctor is in, on
• 2:29:46
  this, in a sort of mugging Rose and Tenth Doctor.
• 2:29:49
  Loving that happened in series 2.
• 2:29:52
  But I'll just let that hang there.
• 2:29:53
  I'm not gonna let that spoil this episode for me.
• 2:29:58
  The actual reasonable nurse of the dream laws departure.
• 2:30:01
  I love. It's not a mechanical villain
• 2:30:05
  going down in the last throws about to take the mall down.
• 2:30:08
  He just turned around a good. He made the right choice.
• 2:30:10
  There enough. Gone.
• 2:30:14
  Actually, quite like that because it doesn't mean he can't
• 2:30:16
  come back. And he was true to his word.
• 2:30:21
  And I really like the look of leadworth.
• 2:30:23
  It's already been said, the location itself has been
• 2:30:25
  absolutely brilliant and I think it really stands out as a gem is
• 2:30:28
  a place that, you know, I'd like to visit myself actually, not
• 2:30:31
  sure I'd want to get Amberly Pinschers after me, but I
• 2:30:34
  really, really like it. Amy's choice for me is the
• 2:30:39
  absolute Gem of this series. Wow.
• 2:30:44
  And it is the only episode I've ever come back to and watched
• 2:30:47
  again. Willingly and the whole run, no
• 2:30:52
  under direct. And I've actually enjoyed it on
• 2:30:54
  every occasion. and I think it's because it gives you a sense of
• 2:30:58
  hope of the cracks storyline ain't really in there.
• 2:31:04
  It's kind of gone out of the way, it kind of stands on its
• 2:31:06
  own two feet. It.
• 2:31:09
  Yes, I know the pollen thing, it's a bit of pollen but then
• 2:31:12
  isn't so much of everything. A bit red button at the end of
• 2:31:15
  it, when we get to how the episode sought it out I feel the
• 2:31:19
  build-up dealing with Amy and worries relationship and what is
• 2:31:22
  a quite a Is it sublime? Or is it on face?
• 2:31:26
  Let other people decide. But it feels like it's organic
• 2:31:30
  to this particular story and for that, it's a keeper for me.
• 2:31:34
  That's my choice. It's going through.
• 2:31:36
  Anyway, that's tariffs Choice. Yeah.
• 2:31:39
  Um, I love the dream. Lord witty Sinister slightly,
• 2:31:44
  perverted that horrible bakeries in the dressing gown, which is
• 2:31:48
  slowly open is very unpleasant, he's a genuinely worthy foe of
• 2:31:53
  the doctor. I mean, of course, Matt Smith
• 2:31:55
  Doctor is evil, underneath it all.
• 2:31:56
  We know that we've watched the era, he does terrible things.
• 2:32:00
  He just puts a nice smile on it and acts in a quirky way and
• 2:32:04
  gets away with it. And there's some very funny
• 2:32:06
  moments. I love the old woman being
• 2:32:09
  smacked. Absolutely hilarious.
• 2:32:11
  Oh, say is a side note, I do genuinely like both old people
• 2:32:15
  and children. You know, I did work in nursery
• 2:32:19
  for a year but I like the children of the rusty Davis
• 2:32:21
  hero. All right?
• 2:32:22
  You know, the sort of applied and the Ang, yeah, the people
• 2:32:25
  like that. People that you want to be
• 2:32:27
  around, not these horrible. We Believe each other we
• 2:32:30
  believe. Yeah, I'll just scared people
• 2:32:32
  think I'm gonna kill the children.
• 2:32:33
  I'm not um, And it does touch on pregnancy suicide and old age,
• 2:32:38
  it lightly touches on those things.
• 2:32:41
  It doesn't get in the way of the farm and I quite like that
• 2:32:45
  because as we progress through this era certainly into
• 2:32:48
  Capaldi's era, we don't like to touch on dark issues.
• 2:32:51
  We head straight head first into them and it's very worrying.
• 2:32:55
  But I wouldn't put this through because I think this is a really
• 2:32:59
  badly directed episode. This is a One-Shot director and
• 2:33:04
  as I was watching it this time a lot, this is done in Longshore.
• 2:33:09
  And it's just horrible boggy Fields with the camera,
• 2:33:12
  absolutely static. And people sort of running
• 2:33:15
  around and it just kills attention of the episode.
• 2:33:18
  You said about that slow moving van and the old people.
• 2:33:21
  Yes, that's no. Dynamism in that in any way
• 2:33:24
  shape or form. And a lot of times she's having
• 2:33:26
  to put cameras in cramped spaces and it's clear.
• 2:33:30
  There's a poor camera man there, like wedged up against that but
• 2:33:33
  just counter and other things. Yeah, and I'm just really
• 2:33:37
  noticed how this this in the hands of a very competent direct
• 2:33:41
  sector. I think would Dazzle, I think in
• 2:33:44
  the hands of this you got a brilliant script.
• 2:33:46
  I won't say it's not a great script but it's it's quite
• 2:33:50
  incompetent Direction. And so I don't think it in any
• 2:33:54
  way meets where it could be, you know, not the best of the
• 2:33:57
  sideways Universe talked to his stories.
• 2:33:59
  Am I just pick you up on that show?
• 2:34:00
  This is the same direction as the launcher.
• 2:34:03
  Yeah, but the larger she's just on a sitcom.
• 2:34:05
  Anyone can do that. Go watch, Miranda Hart, show,
• 2:34:08
  you know. You see the put a camera in a
• 2:34:09
  room and then you get your laughs which is what she does
• 2:34:12
  here. And I'm sorry.
• 2:34:15
  No no, no. Amy is still being a total bitch
• 2:34:20
  in this episode. She's absolutely saying to
• 2:34:23
  worry. Oh, no.
• 2:34:23
  The real reality isn't happiness in leadworth with you, and this
• 2:34:28
  lovely baby that's cooking in my stomach, it's being in the
• 2:34:31
  hardest. She's still a toe unlikable cow.
• 2:34:35
  I can't believe we've gone from someone as brilliant, a bowls
• 2:34:39
  and on the surface on after Harrison, like Donna, but just
• 2:34:44
  has huge debts to them to this. I don't want to say the word,
• 2:34:51
  I'm not gonna say it, but you know what I'm thinking person.
• 2:34:55
  Yeah, I just hire and so I don't care at the end when we die and
• 2:35:00
  she's in motion. And she under plays that scene
• 2:35:03
  to an extent where I don't find the emotion and because it's
• 2:35:07
  within this Dreamscape episode, I don't believe that it's
• 2:35:10
  happening. So none of it lands for me.
• 2:35:13
  So know, there's some great stuff in there but I would have
• 2:35:17
  been there but it's going through because you're going
• 2:35:18
  through. So Only two, Joe, only two gone.
• 2:35:22
  Three left to go. You've got three to biggest
• 2:35:25
  statues from Joe 11th Hour. Pandora, opens, Big, Bang or
• 2:35:30
  time of angels. I'm not gonna go through because
• 2:35:33
  I want the, I want the two biggies to be binned.
• 2:35:36
  I'm gonna go for the only episode that I like, because I'm
• 2:35:39
  and that is the 11th Hour which is my other favorite episode of
• 2:35:47
  the Matt Smith era because it's an episode with a spring in its
• 2:35:51
  step and a song in its heart. Haram, Matt Smith is here, a
• 2:35:55
  bloody hell. We're gonna let you know Mass if
• 2:35:57
  he's here in the best way possible.
• 2:36:00
  I did say early are, you know, we went from the 11th hour to
• 2:36:04
  time with a doctor look at him when he appears out the Tardis.
• 2:36:07
  And he's so happy in that first scene, and then go look at him
• 2:36:11
  in That Hideous, latex old age makeup and Tom with a doctor and
• 2:36:15
  that's what for years with Moffat does with you.
• 2:36:17
  All right? Hey, yes, anyway, Matt Smith is
• 2:36:20
  my first reason he's got the role of a lifetime adding noisy
• 2:36:24
  and I know this wasn't filmed first and that was a good move
• 2:36:28
  because I think he's comfortable, actually, I think
• 2:36:31
  he may be gives this best performance in his first
• 2:36:33
  performance, which is pleasure Stone and time of angels but he
• 2:36:38
  is sexy as hell in this and Charismatic and funny and really
• 2:36:43
  childlike in such a pleasing way.
• 2:36:47
  I really like the 11th doctor of Series 5.
• 2:36:53
  Why did they ditch that in six and seven?
• 2:36:55
  It's just so annoying. Why did they make him some sexy
• 2:36:58
  pervert. Come Series 7, his head and and
• 2:37:01
  tailored the fact that he gets dressed up in that gobbins like
• 2:37:05
  an old Professor but bit of a trampe one.
• 2:37:07
  You know I'm by 70s in a tailored costume, fuck sight
• 2:37:11
  more fit anyway so Matt Smith. My first reason, my second
• 2:37:15
  reason is the direction of this episode who directed, this was a
• 2:37:20
  fine. It has got suspense, it's got
• 2:37:23
  great comedy. It's got horror enormous bloody
• 2:37:27
  snake, but comes out, I know where in the house.
• 2:37:29
  It's so scary. It's got action.
• 2:37:32
  Now, this is how you do a dynamic to the climax in a
• 2:37:38
  vehicle sequences. This is how you direct it, and
• 2:37:41
  that Bloody fire truck. Oh, yes, please.
• 2:37:43
  I think the whole thing is beautifully, lit.
• 2:37:47
  I think. Every shot is highlighted me a
• 2:37:51
  face, best every single shot. Everything they're doing even
• 2:37:55
  down to that very weird. Sherlock e, you know, taking the
• 2:37:59
  pictures going across the green as he's trying to figure things
• 2:38:02
  out. Yeah the direction is fantastic
• 2:38:04
  and unbelievably, I'm gonna say this because it's the only time
• 2:38:09
  it works for me. I think the fairy tale tone of
• 2:38:14
  this episode Works excellently and it should have started here.
• 2:38:18
  And it should have ended here because it's just too much, but
• 2:38:22
  the end of the season but we'll get there.
• 2:38:24
  Yeah, it's proper story book. Who wrote bookended with Amy in
• 2:38:30
  the garden, waiting for him. That such a beautiful point in
• 2:38:33
  idea, that anyone can get behind a little girl waiting for her
• 2:38:37
  childhood here. Every part of this, I think fast
• 2:38:42
  on all cylinders Set. Karen Gillan, who is introduced
• 2:38:49
  with that lovation pan up. Her stocking legs as well as we
• 2:38:55
  mean to go on sex her up as a kiss, a gram in a short skirt.
• 2:39:01
  Oh it's just hideous. Imagine any of her companion on
• 2:39:04
  a way, maybe. Lila was introduced by her old
• 2:39:08
  Perry. Yeah, that's true.
• 2:39:10
  Roman is introduced with a long pun up from the legs up.
• 2:39:14
  Not like that though. She's not.
• 2:39:16
  That camera is basically going up her legs and he never got
• 2:39:19
  this with adric. Did you know?
• 2:39:20
  Okay nine. Yeah now and you know I think
• 2:39:25
  Karen Gillan is okay in this episode.
• 2:39:29
  What can you just say that? Okay, I don't think she's well,
• 2:39:32
  I do think she has great chemistry with Smith here but of
• 2:39:37
  course, Rory hasn't come into this year.
• 2:39:38
  So all the damage is yet to be dumb, although I really hate the
• 2:39:44
  pan across to her dress at the end of the episode because that
• 2:39:48
  way all the problems start this season, But this is a mass, this
• 2:39:54
  is probably the most confident introduction of a doctor in the
• 2:39:59
  entire run of Doctor Who I can understand why Fraser Gregory
• 2:40:03
  holds this up as like the second best episode of Doctor Who ever
• 2:40:06
  it. Is very good.
• 2:40:08
  Indeed. Yes please, let's put it
• 2:40:11
  through. Know, we go to the comments.
• 2:40:13
  Colts. Classic Society said an
• 2:40:15
  unbelievably good new doctor story holds up as one of the
• 2:40:19
  best John Arnold they redecorated and I love it a
• 2:40:23
  seamless. Shifted into a new era.
• 2:40:24
  Everything great is established instantly.
• 2:40:26
  The new cast the time. He won me stories telling and
• 2:40:29
  the ambitious arcs. David who Oscar Groucho says a
• 2:40:33
  perfect entry point sketching out tropes from classic Who
• 2:40:36
  rural Idols eccentric locals, and subverting them with deaf
• 2:40:40
  character work, and taught set pieces as much.
• 2:40:42
  An exploration of the reinvention of the lead, as
• 2:40:45
  well, as their Universe curious. How it uses time travel to
• 2:40:48
  further the story rather than at the expense of Simplicity Jason
• 2:40:52
  Thompson a fine introduction Matt Smith grabs apart with both
• 2:40:55
  hands he just is the doctor the moment he appears and the doctor
• 2:40:59
  is a childhood friend who comes back in adulthood It's a
• 2:41:02
  Wonderful notion. I'm sure that resonated with
• 2:41:04
  many fans who watched the show as children and rediscovered it
• 2:41:07
  in later life and fell in love all over again.
• 2:41:10
  The Parkinson said, one of the finest doctor debuts in the
• 2:41:13
  whole of the show and a great story to boot, certainly gets
• 2:41:16
  the Seas off to a cracking start.
• 2:41:17
  It's scary and fun too which is Doctor, Who it's his best.
• 2:41:20
  The food seemed with young. Amelia is brilliant.
• 2:41:23
  Keeper's. Michael store the season.
• 2:41:26
  Hits the ground running with Matt nailing.
• 2:41:28
  The doctor almost straight away. It's great little story with
• 2:41:31
  great Direction, performers and superb.
• 2:41:33
  Mix of humor horror and Adventure.
• 2:41:35
  I only real criticism is the CGI for prisoners hero, which even
• 2:41:39
  then Rory is immediately likeable and Karen Gillan is
• 2:41:44
  supported. So what was that?
• 2:41:47
  Karen Gillen is superb. Thank you James hadwin.
• 2:41:51
  Bennett says, Amy has a backstory less realistic than
• 2:41:54
  Mel being a computer programmer, cheap green screen for prisoners
• 2:41:58
  there and the start of the Ark is done with a bluntness of an
• 2:42:02
  articulated Lorry hitting you a top speed Bennett.
• 2:42:06
  Gmail and be potentially the perfect opening episode of any
• 2:42:09
  season is got basic site, but it never lets up.
• 2:42:12
  But Olivia, Colman is criminally underused or Chris's as quite a
• 2:42:17
  good start. The story is thin the resolution
• 2:42:20
  with the doctor standing and shouting at the space ship is a
• 2:42:22
  Trope. The world get very boring, very
• 2:42:24
  quickly. Jordan the fact that we first
• 2:42:27
  meet eleven for the hours of a child as a stroke of Genius.
• 2:42:29
  And the story itself is Matt. The opportunity to show his
• 2:42:32
  credentials. Immediately David glass be
• 2:42:35
  pressed as a brilliant open story for the doctor and the era
• 2:42:37
  feeling both familiar and different the same time.
• 2:42:40
  One of modern who's most enjoyable hours crash, Tommy,
• 2:42:43
  bold and exciting one of the best First episodes for a doctor
• 2:42:46
  well paced and funny, it's a fantastic start.
• 2:42:49
  And finally Jolie well said my first Doctor Who series at the
• 2:42:53
  tender age of 43 and instant fund from the first episode and
• 2:42:56
  my lifelong fund by the finale. Nothing like your first time.
• 2:43:02
  Right, I'm going to go to the 11th Hour.
• 2:43:06
  I don't like it. Oh you're lying.
• 2:43:11
  I'm not lying. I'm not putting it through.
• 2:43:13
  Oh mainly it's mainly for one reason but I one you start on
• 2:43:18
  one reason. It just keeps going.
• 2:43:21
  It's a lot on the surface, the conceit of having the doctor
• 2:43:24
  visit, Amy as a child, then coming back for her as an adult,
• 2:43:27
  not once, but twice because obviously he doesn't come back
• 2:43:30
  to the right time. So there's a two-year Gap off.
• 2:43:32
  The 12 year Gap. All of that, I think he's a
• 2:43:34
  lovely idea and immediately establishes a relationship
• 2:43:38
  between the two of them. And I think Caitlin Blackwood is
• 2:43:42
  absolutely Charming as a young Amy, and the food scenes between
• 2:43:45
  them are delightful. That playful.
• 2:43:47
  And I think what they really do is serve to kind of crater a
• 2:43:51
  clear stylistic difference between this era and the last
• 2:43:55
  year But this is my big box with this episode.
• 2:44:01
  We just seemed to be happy to skip over the fact that Amy is
• 2:44:05
  clearly deeply wounded. If not traumatized by the events
• 2:44:10
  of a childhood. And the more you watch it, the
• 2:44:13
  more you can see that we're supposed to laugh at the fact
• 2:44:16
  that when she says, oh, I've had four Sykes and I ended up biting
• 2:44:20
  them all because they didn't believe me.
• 2:44:22
  That's not funny that is actually not finished treated as
• 2:44:25
  a joke. She's talking about she's had to
• 2:44:27
  go to psychiatrist for help for and none of them believed her
• 2:44:31
  and we treat that as a joke. And this is a season where we're
• 2:44:35
  going to talk about, mental health later on.
• 2:44:36
  That's a very odd decision because Amy is damaged and the
• 2:44:42
  other thing, look at the way the people in leadworth relate to
• 2:44:44
  kind of have all a little bit scared.
• 2:44:47
  Like she's the local nuts. Are ha ha, look at their action
• 2:44:50
  of Mr. Henderson who's calling from the dominators, which is
• 2:44:53
  probably why Fraser loves this episode so much because there's
• 2:44:56
  a bit of a dominators throwback in There but that's treated
• 2:44:59
  again. That's treated does funny
• 2:45:01
  though. All the kind of locals in
• 2:45:02
  ledwith are kind of backing off from Amy again.
• 2:45:05
  That's not funny. Why we treating this is funny.
• 2:45:08
  It's also parent in the fat in the job that she's taking.
• 2:45:12
  She's become a kisser Graham. And that's kind of coded here
• 2:45:14
  because there's no other sports in information.
• 2:45:16
  So she's kind of desperately trying to get some attention to
• 2:45:19
  herself because she's been shunned by her peers everyone in
• 2:45:22
  the village. So she feels awkward, she wants
• 2:45:24
  a bit of attention. She damaged.
• 2:45:27
  It's also hammered home by the fact that a home that she lives
• 2:45:30
  in. She's still living in the same
• 2:45:31
  house. Let's be honest.
• 2:45:32
  It looks like a fucking dumped by now.
• 2:45:34
  She psychologically. She's trapped in the past, she's
• 2:45:37
  not coping, she is emotionally and psychologically damaged and
• 2:45:42
  we're treating it as a joke, and the doctor just whisk her away.
• 2:45:44
  And we accept that is fine. I just think that is such a
• 2:45:48
  wrong, Mr. We've talked about wrong, Mr. Steps in this series
• 2:45:51
  and I know Joe, you've got more than a few but that for me just
• 2:45:55
  really sit there but I don't mind the fact that she's got
• 2:46:00
  something or refreshed that it's an interesting narrative form
• 2:46:05
  that she's got some psychological issues because we
• 2:46:07
  do see them come up. Again, Joe, you've constantly
• 2:46:09
  gone on throughout this episode that she's a bitch.
• 2:46:11
  She's a cow, she's off with Amy. She's trying to shove the
• 2:46:14
  doctor. She is all over the place and
• 2:46:19
  that stems from the fact that she is psychologically damaged
• 2:46:21
  from what happened to in childhood.
• 2:46:23
  And that rally is just like, as well.
• 2:46:30
  You know, I didn't like to say, parallels, are there I think
• 2:46:36
  that's actually a very interesting Arc.
• 2:46:39
  It does explain all those inconsistencies in a character
• 2:46:42
  and I wanted to wait to get this moment to kind of put that
• 2:46:45
  theory forward. So I think that is really
• 2:46:47
  interesting and it's adults, and it's a bold audacious move, but
• 2:46:52
  the fact that we constantly treat it as a joke in this
• 2:46:56
  episode, that's what I think is reprehensible.
• 2:46:58
  And so that's why I don't like this episode for doing that.
• 2:47:01
  But I admire the fact that they're treating and exploring
• 2:47:05
  that further on as we go through the series.
• 2:47:09
  So, that's my main reason for not putting this throw but then
• 2:47:12
  I need two other reasons as well.
• 2:47:14
  So my second reason is to be the story itself is very, very,
• 2:47:17
  very, very slight. I know everyone's gonna shout
• 2:47:19
  and say, we're concentrating on introducing a new doctor.
• 2:47:22
  We're introducing a new companion, so I absolutely get
• 2:47:25
  that. But there's inconsistencies
• 2:47:27
  prisoner 0 ESC, crack, but the crack, as we see later on in the
• 2:47:31
  season, is not a conquer. It, it's not a place to travel
• 2:47:35
  from one place to another. It's something it's a Time
• 2:47:38
  Fisher. People get dragged into it, then
• 2:47:40
  people's memories get by it. It's not a transmit.
• 2:47:44
  So why is it treated here as a transplant?
• 2:47:46
  Prisoner Zero. Waits, for 12 years in Amy's
• 2:47:49
  room. Why what he planning?
• 2:47:51
  What's he aim to do? That's absolutely no description
• 2:47:54
  or motivation of what he's trying to do.
• 2:47:55
  As he been rightly imprisoned wrongly imprisoned, we don't
• 2:47:59
  know, then they attracts. See.
• 2:48:01
  Turn up the doctor shows, some ways zero is and they take him
• 2:48:04
  away. Having had a Stern warning from
• 2:48:05
  the doctor not to be some future.
• 2:48:09
  Like many moffets, unlike many other Moffitt stories where the
• 2:48:12
  a-story matches the Beast story and there's some you know,
• 2:48:15
  thematic resonance between them and there's some symmetry
• 2:48:17
  there's no symmetry here. There's just that story doesn't
• 2:48:20
  add on to the doctor and Amy story.
• 2:48:22
  So it doesn't even work as kind of mirroring or a companion
• 2:48:25
  piece. So ultimately I think the
• 2:48:27
  stories is quite a thin remake. Actually if Smith and Jones
• 2:48:30
  where similar, you had a few on the run and it just it doesn't
• 2:48:33
  feel very rewarding. Then my third reason is there
• 2:48:37
  are just some very stylistic Joe.
• 2:48:39
  You said you like them, but I think some really odd stylistic
• 2:48:41
  choices in in this episode that odd shot that you mentioned
• 2:48:44
  about the kind of static shot as we focus in on, on Rory, taking
• 2:48:48
  a photograph that feels very Sherlock.
• 2:48:50
  He see it here and you assume that's gonna crop up again, and
• 2:48:54
  never does again southfields a little bit odd.
• 2:48:56
  All the stuff about the duck pond, which were everyone in
• 2:49:00
  fandom was thinking that's gonna come back.
• 2:49:01
  That means something didn't. But the thing, the other thing
• 2:49:04
  that really gets me is the extra door on Amy's Landing, that's
• 2:49:08
  supposed to be behind. A perception filter.
• 2:49:09
  So the shock is it's there, but most the time we the audience
• 2:49:13
  actually see that, it's there just really odd.
• 2:49:15
  You shouldn't see it. And then you should just
• 2:49:17
  suddenly come in to, you know, come into our side.
• 2:49:20
  But it doesn't it's there for most the episode so I can just
• 2:49:23
  some odd direct tutorial and stylistic choices there that
• 2:49:26
  don't work for me. But for the fact that we're
• 2:49:28
  treating Amy's, mental health issues are so joke, this
• 2:49:31
  absolutely deserves to go in the bin.
• 2:49:34
  Sure, you're a fan of the Stephen Mafia era.
• 2:49:36
  I mean, you bend the 11th Hour? They are the doctor.
• 2:49:40
  Yeah, Heaven said, yeah. Girl, in the fireplace, go on a
• 2:49:45
  fireplace. Yes.
• 2:49:46
  Well, there's a strange pattern emerging.
• 2:49:48
  Well, it just shows that I'm open-minded.
• 2:49:51
  Oh really. We'll talk off.
• 2:49:57
  Gareth. Right.
• 2:50:00
  So Kind of covered some of these before with the other episodes.
• 2:50:03
  I'm going to cover them now. I absolutely love the music in
• 2:50:07
  this episode, the music is absolutely brilliant and I
• 2:50:10
  always get that lovely photography that we kind of
• 2:50:13
  mentioned. I don't know what they put on
• 2:50:14
  the lens to make it look a bit better.
• 2:50:16
  But boy, does it pop. And obviously, we've got call
• 2:50:19
  from the dominators. Big dick.
• 2:50:23
  However, I have one big zero, Shake problem with this episode
• 2:50:31
  and it's Prisoner Zero. What does he actually do?
• 2:50:37
  No, no, it's a big like, he actually hides. 12 years.
• 2:50:45
  Hides doesn't do anything during that time now.
• 2:50:48
  Yes, you could argue that is how he's got a hand or whatever.
• 2:50:52
  Tendril, whatever you want to call it, with the comatose
• 2:50:55
  patients that are in the hospital.
• 2:50:56
  But there is no evidence of that to suggest that other than he's
• 2:51:01
  using their bodies because they are comatose at the moment.
• 2:51:04
  The only time prisoner 0, actually, kills anyone.
• 2:51:07
  I think there's a line about the fact that the nurses and doctors
• 2:51:10
  have been killed in the hospital but that's after the doctor has
• 2:51:13
  got the attraction on his backside.
• 2:51:17
  I think, you know, Ron made a point about the fact and he's
• 2:51:20
  absolutely right. We don't know the story of
• 2:51:22
  Prisoner Zero there. Should that should have been
• 2:51:24
  spelled out to us, not because of the way he looked.
• 2:51:26
  But what did he do? Why was he in prison?
• 2:51:29
  Because as far as I can tell, the only threat to the Earth is
• 2:51:32
  actually the attraction themselves.
• 2:51:34
  A specially comfortably, the denim one that the end.
• 2:51:38
  Because then the ones that willing to blow up the whole of
• 2:51:40
  Earth to get rid of prisoners hero.
• 2:51:43
  It's never, it's never referenced again.
• 2:51:45
  We don't know what it's about. It's just very very at once
• 2:51:50
  you've got that in your head, it becomes a very difficult watch.
• 2:51:55
  You almost wonder if prisoner 0 is pleading for the doctor to
• 2:51:58
  help them and the end. It's very bizarre throws you out
• 2:52:04
  of the whole episode. Once you've done that road
• 2:52:06
  because actually the rest of the episode them just becomes pure
• 2:52:09
  spectacle the fire engine spectacle it's just a shot of a
• 2:52:12
  fire engine going through the Arty.
• 2:52:14
  Moving round of the field. It's just exactly that what we
• 2:52:17
  couldn't have just said what's that?
• 2:52:18
  What's that chap doing over there?
• 2:52:19
  Alright. Let's do that it more.
• 2:52:22
  The invasion of someone's laptop with porn on it.
• 2:52:25
  Oh, how witty we are again. Same thing.
• 2:52:30
  Which is what trying to are. We trying to stop the attraction
• 2:52:34
  and get Prisoner Zero. But why we do that?
• 2:52:39
  Why we actually, why are we not sat down?
• 2:52:41
  First and foremost and gone, this this entity because even
• 2:52:45
  when even when Amy goes into that room, Prisoner of others
• 2:52:49
  who really went through the door. and he doesn't, he's
• 2:52:52
  actually Checking out, what's going around.
• 2:52:56
  Against the position on my part but it just doesn't actually go
• 2:52:58
  for anything. The doctor's, the one that tells
• 2:53:00
  us to get out the room and put, are you saying that the?
• 2:53:03
  Are you saying that the big snake could have disappeared
• 2:53:06
  into Amy's? Crack is that you're making
• 2:53:08
  justification of the story points but he came out of it
• 2:53:13
  didn't buy all the mission absolutely in our 10 out.
• 2:53:17
  Yeah, it's like, oh quick. so the that is a really big problem
• 2:53:23
  because once you take Prisoner Zero out of it, What have you
• 2:53:27
  got left? As a doctor who story.
• 2:53:31
  Very little. A very tired, Amy story, which
• 2:53:36
  would have been fine on its own had.
• 2:53:37
  They just gone down that road but they didn't, this, they felt
• 2:53:41
  the need then to bolster the rest of it onto the end.
• 2:53:43
  And that's where it all really falls.
• 2:53:46
  Apart Amy's crack is absolutely right.
• 2:53:48
  There is no logic to it and he's Gallifrey on the other side of
• 2:53:51
  it like we find out in the Time of the Doctor, no.
• 2:53:55
  Are we recognizing the auton scans that are happening in this
• 2:53:58
  room with resurrecting the autumns in the big bang?
• 2:54:01
  No, we don't. We just get a big eyeball going.
• 2:54:04
  Okay. So if you just wanted to do
• 2:54:09
  that, just becomes a MacGuffin. And that then colors again the
• 2:54:13
  rest of the series that you're watching every time, the crack
• 2:54:16
  appears well it's a great, here's the great.
• 2:54:18
  It's just like when they said about Bad Wolf throughout the
• 2:54:22
  series, they're doing all that again because he's not got an
• 2:54:25
  original bloody idea. Stephen moffatt, I just realize
• 2:54:28
  what's been done before. I do think the crack is a great
• 2:54:33
  visual image for the arc. Instead of doing an idea or a
• 2:54:37
  person's name to have something that can appear in a story that
• 2:54:41
  bit in flesh and stone where you suddenly pan up on the Cracks
• 2:54:45
  there. And you realize, this is
• 2:54:47
  important to the year, I agree with you.
• 2:54:49
  I don't think it pays off at all, none of it.
• 2:54:52
  I think, I think it's ill-conceived, but I do think
• 2:54:54
  that's a good sort of visual marker that the ark is present,
• 2:54:59
  is a visual. Yeah, but, I mean, why did he
• 2:55:01
  even need to access serious? if you wanted to make this
• 2:55:04
  himself, if he wanted to make his own stamp on the series,
• 2:55:09
  post the era of Russell, Davis, who lets face it marked a lot of
• 2:55:12
  stuff every year. Then surely he would take it
• 2:55:16
  down a different route. You'll visually already taking
• 2:55:18
  it down that route. So why would you not go that
• 2:55:22
  further step? It just doesn't make sense and
• 2:55:25
  then it got serious 11 but heart attack so, you know.
• 2:55:29
  Yeah. Because it was fucking boring.
• 2:55:31
  That's why. I'm also gonna throw in here for
• 2:55:33
  all the reasons, Amy's reaction to the doctrine dressing in
• 2:55:37
  front of a fiance. Oh my God, I forgot about that,
• 2:55:40
  beat it. Yeah.
• 2:55:43
  I'm not a particular fan of the doctor in jeans personally.
• 2:55:45
  So by the end of it, I'm already rallying it.
• 2:55:48
  And there everyone is my trousers klaxon for this
• 2:55:51
  episode. For those of you heard my first
• 2:55:52
  appearance, And I've also realized I've mentioned the
• 2:55:58
  balamory Tardis and the fact, another thing that really
• 2:56:00
  irritates me about is I can see the skeleton of the Torchwood
• 2:56:03
  Hub that it's built on every time I see that Bloody Tardis.
• 2:56:06
  So every time they go to the console, I'm seeing those desks
• 2:56:09
  that are up there instead. But I realized while we've been
• 2:56:13
  talking, I've been making a few notes.
• 2:56:16
  That I think one of my fundamental problems of this
• 2:56:19
  series. Is the reveal at the end of the
• 2:56:22
  episode. The wedding dress up.
• 2:56:23
  Yeah. And that is because this is the
• 2:56:27
  year I got married. I think all ready East by today.
• 2:56:33
  Everything else that I've mentioned, I am already on the
• 2:56:36
  back foot with this series because I love Amy Pond.
• 2:56:40
  I wondered where that was going to go then that place all of us.
• 2:56:46
  But so I have no connection to this character whatsoever.
• 2:56:51
  In terms of narrative, I'm not interested in a Joe's mentioned,
• 2:56:54
  how she treats Roar, even in this episode is quite
• 2:56:55
  dismissively for the bits that he's in it.
• 2:56:58
  And my other problem with it is Arthur darvill.
• 2:57:01
  Almost outshines, Karen. Jill and Matt Smith and his
• 2:57:04
  performance in my opinion. Now, that might be the character
• 2:57:06
  that he's got, that he can played a little bit lighter, but
• 2:57:09
  if I'm watching him and not them, there's big problems.
• 2:57:12
  So, I'm afraid it's a no from me.
• 2:57:14
  All right, Gareth, Ian once said to me that Jason Kane was not
• 2:57:20
  good enough for Bernie Summerfield, okay?
• 2:57:22
  His love Bernice Summerfield, he should have married her.
• 2:57:26
  Well, I'm telling you now, Amy Pond is not good enough or
• 2:57:30
  William's. No, Roaring ditcher.
• 2:57:32
  Oh, marry you Oh no. Wait, you'll be just as much
• 2:57:36
  trouble Maybe. From one slot to another slut.
• 2:57:40
  Yeah it's not it's not a good not a good exchange.
• 2:57:43
  Is that love be honestly I love I love that from one slot to
• 2:57:49
  another as a segue. Oh yeah it works which works
• 2:57:53
  whichever way you wish. Which one of them have you been
• 2:57:56
  talking to my God? Maybe unfortunately 11th hour is
• 2:58:02
  already in the bed. Please please feel free to
• 2:58:04
  defend her. Please bring some fancy.
• 2:58:07
  Wow. So I'm gonna I'm on a podcast
• 2:58:09
  with three notional adults and the single greatest introduction
• 2:58:14
  story for a new doctor has been put in the bin know me?
• 2:58:17
  Yeah. No limit.
• 2:58:18
  Sort of I said it was one of the best episodes ever.
• 2:58:22
  Yeah, I wasn't count the two votes have gone.
• 2:58:25
  Again, I've just heard the words twin brother and I can't even
• 2:58:27
  breathe. And obviously any episode that
• 2:58:31
  comes after the end of time Parts.
• 2:58:33
  One and two has got a fairly low bar to quit.
• 2:58:36
  So, I was always going to enjoy this episode.
• 2:58:38
  However, watching it for the first time, was the first time
• 2:58:43
  that watching Doctor, Who in the 21st century To me had the
• 2:58:48
  potential to be not only as good as the classic era but as good
• 2:58:52
  as any TV in the world and I'm including things like The
• 2:58:55
  Sopranos and the wire and The West Wing and Buffy for the
• 2:58:59
  first time, this was something. So So kind of solid and thought
• 2:59:07
  through and whole music work. The direction, worked the
• 2:59:12
  visuals were very consistent. It was just it was just really
• 2:59:17
  substantially solidly. Brilliant Matt Smith yes from
• 2:59:20
  the moment. He first crashed lands.
• 2:59:23
  He's amazing, he's amazing, he's more amazing with young Amelia
• 2:59:27
  than with Amelia Pond for grown up.
• 2:59:29
  The the fish custard is lovely. The, my favorite line is is you
• 2:59:35
  can have to bear with me because I had to write it down.
• 2:59:37
  You know, and grownups, tell you, everything's gonna be fine.
• 2:59:41
  But, you know, they're lying. Yes.
• 2:59:44
  Everything's gonna be fine. I just think in it for a Doctor
• 2:59:51
  Who's characterized by so many beautiful lines of dialogue is
• 2:59:54
  by far and away, one of the best and that moment at the end where
• 2:59:58
  he steps through the phases of the previous incarnations and
• 3:00:02
  bang, he absolutely is the doctor.
• 3:00:05
  He don't care about David and you don't care about the
• 3:00:08
  previous ones. It's all about Matt Smith, and
• 3:00:10
  this is the perfect introduction.
• 3:00:12
  And obviously it's got to go through and the fact that it
• 3:00:16
  hasn't makes me question. Everything.
• 3:00:22
  Even I'm surprised that one hasn't come for its beaten by
• 3:00:26
  vampires at Venice. What can I say?
• 3:00:28
  What the hell? I mean these people that pointer
• 3:00:31
  this podcast is say one load of shit.
• 3:00:33
  It is we keep I mean they do have a point don't I?
• 3:00:36
  I'm presuming we were once we were wanting some kind of giant
• 3:00:40
  cracked. Almost a circus, all up.
• 3:00:42
  And then it raise everything that we've said, oh, which leads
• 3:00:47
  us neatly onto the fact that we have two very Ark heavy stories
• 3:00:51
  left as our final two headers, we got time of angels and we've
• 3:00:56
  got Pandora opens. I am, it's your turn.
• 3:00:59
  Pick your one of the two, big two parties and God pandemic.
• 3:01:06
  It's like trying to choose between you two.
• 3:01:09
  Favorite M&M's in a big wonderful glorious packet of
• 3:01:13
  Eminem's. I will choose Time of angels
• 3:01:18
  flesh and stone. Because for the longest time
• 3:01:20
  without questioning it, I've always said this is my favorite
• 3:01:24
  doctor. Whose story ever Matt Smith's
• 3:01:26
  first day in the job? Now normally he spends your
• 3:01:28
  first day on the job, talking to the guy from it to try and get
• 3:01:31
  your email set up and you have lunch with a few people and you
• 3:01:35
  say hello but you don't really do anything.
• 3:01:36
  Matt Smith's, first days in the job, he's amazing.
• 3:01:39
  He owns the role. He knocks it out of the park.
• 3:01:42
  You've got a brilliant story that brings back River Song.
• 3:01:45
  Now obviously I know she's, if I love River song, I'm always home
• 3:01:51
  to her MILF like brilliant and she's on fire here in this story
• 3:01:55
  Amy's. Fine.
• 3:01:58
  You know, then you've got the you've got the return of the
• 3:02:01
  weeping angels and and this time some of them have got not enough
• 3:02:06
  heads or something but they're trapped in this Maze and they're
• 3:02:09
  being followed but and there's so much drama and it builds up
• 3:02:12
  to such an amazing Cliffhanger at the end of par 1.
• 3:02:15
  Oh my God, it's Fantastic. I'll tell you the, the final
• 3:02:19
  little bit of magic that pushes this over the top for me.
• 3:02:22
  It's got Ian Glenn in it now. I can't abide in Glen every time
• 3:02:27
  he turns up in Game of Thrones with this.
• 3:02:29
  Oh Khaleesi. Oh, it's stolen my pencil.
• 3:02:32
  I'm so bored. He's he's dullness writ large.
• 3:02:36
  He is a lack of Charisma walking around with bad air, but in
• 3:02:40
  this, he's really good and I, you know, it must be some kind
• 3:02:45
  of Weird, Al chemical reaction, perhaps, I don't know, some kind
• 3:02:49
  of brilliant, scripting to elevate him to the to where he
• 3:02:53
  gets to. It's so good.
• 3:02:55
  And part two is just so much better than part one.
• 3:02:58
  It's just amazing from Soup To Nuts.
• 3:03:00
  Please, please, please. Can we put this through?
• 3:03:05
  I'm, I've got I'm lost for words.
• 3:03:08
  I'm a bit struck that. This podcast, this very podcast
• 3:03:11
  has used the expression MILF like Brilliance, that is not an
• 3:03:16
  expression I ever expected to hear on this podcast.
• 3:03:18
  So you know, I take my hat off to you, should we go to the
• 3:03:23
  comments? Dave Rennie says part one is
• 3:03:25
  magnificent, but part, two finishes on a bum, note with Amy
• 3:03:29
  getting horny. But a terrific story and Matt
• 3:03:32
  Aces. First filmed episodes.
• 3:03:34
  Oh and River Song is great. Jason Thompson one for the bin,
• 3:03:38
  bringing in the Angels back and messing around with him was a
• 3:03:41
  bad idea. River Song is annoying
• 3:03:43
  throughout everything is on by Tommy.
• 3:03:45
  Why me start is a script that thinks it's cleverer than it is
• 3:03:48
  and even Moffitt agrees. He went too far with that final
• 3:03:51
  scene or Amy crying us at the doctor.
• 3:03:56
  Pulse. Moses, a vastly superior story
• 3:03:58
  to Blink. This is creepy and exciting, the
• 3:04:00
  doctor and River playoff each other so, well, great
• 3:04:03
  Cliffhanger for. Once the second part of the
• 3:04:05
  story is equally as good as the first.
• 3:04:08
  Wrestler, not too bad and I like the return of river.
• 3:04:10
  However, the one thing you should never put in a trapeze,
• 3:04:13
  me Cliffhanger, just winds me up.
• 3:04:15
  Also, the Angels were so well set up in blink, so the sudden
• 3:04:18
  changes to what they can do, are annoying.
• 3:04:20
  Jim Allen says Doctor, Who does action movies whilst nothing?
• 3:04:23
  Can top the impact, the blinq card, the Weeping, Angels proved
• 3:04:26
  to be a great returning. Villain a great piece of TV,
• 3:04:29
  Andy Parkinson, it's always dangerous right?
• 3:04:32
  In sequel to stories of iconic monsters and the angels
• 3:04:34
  definitely suffer the law of diminishing returns from here.
• 3:04:38
  Not terrible, just me. I'm your own Lisa.
• 3:04:42
  Terrific, two parts are very much, the aliens to muffet's
• 3:04:44
  Blink, swapping out, caves and forests to brilliant effect, and
• 3:04:47
  with a banger of a cliffhanger. The tension never relents Gillen
• 3:04:51
  and Smith feel like they've been doing it for years.
• 3:04:53
  On the writing just sings. Michael storm.
• 3:04:56
  Feels like a classic Hotel told in a modern way, the dialogue
• 3:04:59
  sizzles and the development of the Angels is excellent.
• 3:05:02
  Except when we see the move, boo Smith gets his first note dose
• 3:05:06
  of really meaty material. I mean it's Splendid and use it
• 3:05:11
  again tools. Well River feels wrong with her
• 3:05:13
  love and but is okay here. However, the ending in Amy's
• 3:05:16
  bedroom is a big No-No. So must have made a lot of
• 3:05:19
  parents. Very uncomfortable, Fraser
• 3:05:22
  Gregory probably the weakest this season of the dance.
• 3:05:25
  Oh, this isn't down though. Most people are there, this was
• 3:05:28
  living up to his name then. Yeah.
• 3:05:30
  Which shows what a strong year. This is, it's got some amazing
• 3:05:33
  touches. The Angels use.
• 3:05:34
  Oh look at that doggie. That Ian stroking.
• 3:05:37
  Sorry, I was beautiful. Hello tizzy.
• 3:05:44
  The angels using Bob's corpse to talk Ian's.
• 3:05:47
  Yes, I mean subliminal countdown but it's the start of moffett's
• 3:05:54
  tendency to overuse and reinvent that will come tomorrow.
• 3:05:57
  What follows? And the lesson about the final
• 3:06:00
  scene of the better, Chuck choices.
• 3:06:03
  Surprisingly, this went down for me on re-watch.
• 3:06:05
  It's a bit too Ark heavy stand on its own two feet, and I don't
• 3:06:08
  like the constant video game, cutscenes explaining the rules.
• 3:06:11
  I don't delete the final scene from my memory.
• 3:06:14
  Not only is it such a giant mistake, but it rushes the
• 3:06:17
  climax of the actual story. And finally, Joe.
• 3:06:20
  Well, in one of the very best stories ever spent four
• 3:06:23
  exciting, with great set pieces, thanks to the universe.
• 3:06:26
  Rebooting the scene at the end, never ever happened.
• 3:06:29
  Oh, changed my mind about the Big Bang.
• 3:06:31
  I'm really quite nervous now about coming to us but Let's do
• 3:06:38
  it. Gareth Okay.
• 3:06:40
  So I'm just gonna be up front with this or a three fundamental
• 3:06:45
  things. I don't like about it, but then
• 3:06:47
  I have a list as long as my arm. But I will just go through
• 3:06:50
  River. I can't stand that.
• 3:06:52
  I never have. I remember watching this episode
• 3:06:54
  when Amy and her was stood on the beach.
• 3:06:56
  I turned around to my wife went back, that's gonna be Amy's
• 3:06:58
  daughter. So I've had that hanging over me
• 3:07:01
  from this episode and I was hoping I was wrong.
• 3:07:04
  I wasn't The Angels themselves. I'm not a big fan of the Angels
• 3:07:08
  can't stand them. And by this point you've
• 3:07:10
  completely undermining the don't blink thing because now anything
• 3:07:15
  that can capture the image of an angel can become an angel.
• 3:07:18
  Well, we're all look, everyone's looking at them every time they
• 3:07:20
  don't bloody blink, so surely they can become Angels.
• 3:07:22
  So actually don't blinking doesn't make a blind bitter
• 3:07:25
  sense and we're all going to be Angels now because we're looking
• 3:07:27
  at them when they're there. And Stop pulling the threads.
• 3:07:30
  You're just gonna end up in a temporal Paradox but this is the
• 3:07:33
  problem with the angels, the central conceit of them isn't
• 3:07:36
  very interesting. They don't do anything
• 3:07:37
  interesting with the angels until Village of the Angels.
• 3:07:39
  When there is some backstory behind them, even if it is the
• 3:07:43
  division, which me if I'm wrong, is that happened in the
• 3:07:47
  Chipmunks here. I think it's not stories where
• 3:07:53
  the image of an Angel becomes an angel, a very thing you're
• 3:07:55
  criticizing this for you Hypocrites, know, it gets thrown
• 3:07:59
  into a flame and become a huge. Oh, the England is indeed how to
• 3:08:07
  make Smith. A Matt Smith has just bloody
• 3:08:10
  irritating in this episode because it's never consistent
• 3:08:12
  between takes, it's worse than Sylvester McCoy's in Survivor.
• 3:08:15
  I did notice that. Yeah, really, really considering
• 3:08:18
  valued throughout this series, his hair is abominable.
• 3:08:22
  I mean, thankfully, they get it sorted by the time we get to, is
• 3:08:25
  it the death of the doctor on the game?
• 3:08:27
  On the Sarah, Jane Adventures, the cuts, start slapping it all
• 3:08:29
  back in the form, It ultimately becomes, but here it is all over
• 3:08:33
  the place, he's got these little girls around the back, you can
• 3:08:36
  see which bits he's been shot from which really off-putting.
• 3:08:38
  And then we got the clerics soldiers themselves.
• 3:08:41
  We've got soldiers, great. We're going for an alien's.
• 3:08:43
  Look, how do we just shoot all the angels?
• 3:08:46
  And he can just shoot them to Pieces.
• 3:08:49
  Well, why would we bothering with the maze?
• 3:08:51
  The first episode itself is 20 minutes of just putting everyone
• 3:08:54
  together and then another 30 minutes of going round to maze.
• 3:08:58
  That's the first episode in a nutshell.
• 3:09:00
  When we could have just shot them all to pieces.
• 3:09:02
  We know that vicious, we understand that it's not like
• 3:09:05
  we're gonna negotiate them or find out like what prisoners
• 3:09:07
  hero was all about. We could just shoot them
• 3:09:09
  straight to it. We don't Then on top of that,
• 3:09:12
  we've got the Cliffhanger itself, which we never actually
• 3:09:15
  see the resolution of by the time of the second episode.
• 3:09:17
  It's just a cut shot and there are somewhere else.
• 3:09:20
  We never see them all go up. So that's another cheat they've
• 3:09:23
  probably giving to us. We've got that, the doctor
• 3:09:26
  finally says time can be Rewritten, why?
• 3:09:30
  He's never said this before. Any other pointed time, can't be
• 3:09:33
  Rewritten. Why can it suddenly be
• 3:09:34
  Rewritten? Now you've got the fact that in
• 3:09:36
  Amy's case, they tell her, don't open your eyes, not for one
• 3:09:39
  second. Yeah, she opens her bloody eyes
• 3:09:41
  for 29 seconds. If you actually count it, when
• 3:09:43
  you didn't count bless you, we have the fact that both episodes
• 3:09:47
  run to 41 and 42 minutes, they don't even make the 45 marker
• 3:09:52
  even with the recap at the beginning.
• 3:09:53
  And then we've got the bedroom scene with Amy. which, Is
• 3:09:58
  deplorable. Should not be in there at all.
• 3:10:03
  And so, for me, in case you've not gathered, by the point of
• 3:10:07
  fear left, he didn't want to hear it going in with my eyes
• 3:10:12
  wide open and I'm gonna bin it. No.
• 3:10:16
  Should we come to you next time in the angels?
• 3:10:21
  And I'm sorry. Sorry, please die on the call.
• 3:10:24
  I call this for, and there's a lot about this that I like.
• 3:10:31
  I do think it is incredibly. Well, executed this And, and I
• 3:10:38
  think the set pieces are really exciting and the imagery is
• 3:10:43
  great. And there are genuine.
• 3:10:45
  Genuine scares in this, like the bit where they're all firing the
• 3:10:49
  guns, and then the angels are all lit up by the Flames.
• 3:10:53
  Coming out, the guys is just just brilliantly, done, just
• 3:10:57
  leave it there. So it's in its art.
• 3:11:00
  There are three reasons why I want to put this through.
• 3:11:02
  Number one is, I don't think the Angels work anymore.
• 3:11:06
  Jason Thompson is right. In the first story, they were
• 3:11:08
  basically just Hunters. Weren't they, they were like
• 3:11:11
  hunting animals and now, they're hunting animals with
• 3:11:15
  intelligence. That can take over people's like
• 3:11:20
  take people's voices and use them.
• 3:11:22
  So suddenly now they're not animals, they're a culture.
• 3:11:26
  So suddenly I'm starting to think well, how did this Quantum
• 3:11:29
  locked, statue culture come to be?
• 3:11:33
  Yeah, I can understand a freak, you know, work of the time.
• 3:11:38
  Continuing that's bat out these alien monster something from the
• 3:11:41
  time War, the go around hunting people.
• 3:11:44
  But now now they are presented as a race of people like just
• 3:11:49
  don't buy the angels as a race of people.
• 3:11:51
  I mean. Fuck what a race of people
• 3:11:54
  evolved. So that every time someone looks
• 3:11:57
  up they freeze to Stone. I mean, it's just absurd.
• 3:12:00
  Yes. So I don't think the Angels
• 3:12:03
  really work away from blink and I will include Village of the
• 3:12:07
  Angels, you know, I do like it a lot.
• 3:12:10
  My second thing is River song. Oh my God how am I supposed to
• 3:12:14
  have seen? No chemistry whatsoever.
• 3:12:16
  I'm sorry when Alex, Kingston, Peter, I told you got together
• 3:12:20
  in the wedding. No, husbands.
• 3:12:23
  The thing of River Song. There's so many of them by then
• 3:12:26
  Sizzle, didn't they unscreen? Whereas this pair, which, she's
• 3:12:30
  on top of him. That's this.
• 3:12:31
  It's just like my mom climbing on an infant.
• 3:12:34
  It's just looked really disturbing and they kissed later
• 3:12:37
  in the face of like, Mom, get off him, you know, he's not old
• 3:12:42
  enough. Yeah, no, sorry.
• 3:12:44
  I like the idea of overly sexualized orbital woman.
• 3:12:47
  I think that is a great idea. This is Troy from Star Trek,
• 3:12:50
  hello. Um, that's a bit shit, so, but I
• 3:12:55
  just find Alex Kingston. So knowing she saw a winking
• 3:12:59
  out, the screen with every light you get sexual reference there.
• 3:13:04
  It's really really annoying. So I don't like River song, I've
• 3:13:08
  actually plays this era and and and this but of course, the
• 3:13:13
  reason I'm not putting this through because it was just
• 3:13:16
  those reasons I make because I could easily find strong reasons
• 3:13:19
  is that last reprehensible saying, And I really did try to
• 3:13:25
  think this time. Why does this bother me so much?
• 3:13:27
  Yeah. Because I I asked friends.
• 3:13:30
  I asked Dylan and Luke. I said I hate this scene and I
• 3:13:33
  try to probe it. Yeah and look like I came back
• 3:13:36
  and went are it's just a funny scene at the end of the episode
• 3:13:39
  after I said. Yeah.
• 3:13:40
  But you're seeing this from the point of view of somebody that
• 3:13:43
  fancies Amy poem and would want her climbing all over you.
• 3:13:46
  Yeah. Maybe that's very amusing for
• 3:13:49
  you. I remember this.
• 3:13:51
  I have been in this situation myself where I was at a party
• 3:13:56
  and we were all drunk and we ended up in a bit room and I
• 3:14:01
  won't say a name but came on to me.
• 3:14:04
  In quite an extreme way like this lots of hands, slapping and
• 3:14:07
  kissing and all of this and it was forceful and it was
• 3:14:11
  unpleasant. and it doesn't fucking belong in Doctor, Who In
• 3:14:17
  any way, shape, or form. This is to say, this is like an
• 3:14:20
  attempted rape. Is a strong word.
• 3:14:22
  Yeah. But we call it that when vasel
• 3:14:25
  chases, Barbara around in the keys of mariners.
• 3:14:28
  So this is an attempted rape of the doctor.
• 3:14:31
  He is not consensual In This Moment, he is pushing her away,
• 3:14:35
  and she is still forcing herself upon him on the day before she's
• 3:14:39
  supposed to get married. And I am supposed to enjoy being
• 3:14:43
  with this character. It is Despicable this scene so
• 3:14:47
  much, so that even Stephen Murphy said, this was on the
• 3:14:51
  stake. I never should have put this in.
• 3:14:53
  Well, where is the scripture? That where is the person that
• 3:14:56
  says? Do you know what?
• 3:14:57
  This is a step too far. We shouldn't be showing kids and
• 3:15:00
  attempted rape. At the end of a Doctor, Who's
• 3:15:02
  story? I hate that saying, been the
• 3:15:05
  episode You make a good case, Mr. Ford um, thank you.
• 3:15:11
  I, I'm gonna put this through all, this is not going through
• 3:15:15
  anyway because he's got two votes.
• 3:15:17
  Again, we'll come back to the last scene cause like Ian, I'm
• 3:15:20
  going to kind of try to touch fully forget about him for the
• 3:15:25
  majority. It's there you can't know and I
• 3:15:28
  will come back to her. The first reason I do like this
• 3:15:32
  two-parter is that it's starting to break away.
• 3:15:36
  Moffitt is starting to flex his muscles.
• 3:15:38
  A little bit up to. Now he's pretty much followed,
• 3:15:41
  the RTD template has made. We've picked up a new Young
• 3:15:45
  Earth companion, in the first story part episode, two, and
• 3:15:49
  three have been the future, the past, we know in a two-part.
• 3:15:52
  So exactly following what we've done series 1 to 4, but kind of
• 3:15:56
  tradition dictates now that we come into a slightly comic
• 3:15:59
  story, which probably got strong ties to Earth, and possibly
• 3:16:02
  involves the companions family because that's what we've had
• 3:16:05
  for the first four years. But that we don't get that here.
• 3:16:09
  And despite the kind of lightness and Compass of the the
• 3:16:12
  cold open with River, escaping from the ship and landing on
• 3:16:16
  Matt Smith, which I do enjoy Justin.
• 3:16:19
  It's very well. It is and I think Alex Kingston
• 3:16:22
  is I love her. She always makes me smile, she's
• 3:16:27
  there, but I opening just absolutely makes me smile, I
• 3:16:35
  think it's great. But after that does not an awful
• 3:16:38
  lot of light, the sun show in this is a pretty dark story.
• 3:16:41
  It's quite like a kind of classic based on the sages and
• 3:16:43
  except because it's Moffat. It's not, it's a seed of our
• 3:16:47
  forest in a bottle on a spaceship in amazed as he said.
• 3:16:50
  So it's you know, it's Plenty of twists tip, and the other
• 3:16:54
  twists, of course, is that at the beginning is the doctor
• 3:16:57
  River, Amy in the clerics, who were the hunters, and it's a low
• 3:17:00
  Angel. Who is the prey?
• 3:17:02
  And then, obviously, that turns on the head and we realize
• 3:17:04
  there's a whole gang of regenerating Angels here and
• 3:17:08
  suddenly Our Heroes become the prey So I really like all of
• 3:17:12
  that. The other big difference they do
• 3:17:13
  is we actually start to address the ark early on which can we
• 3:17:16
  don't usually do we usually just hear about Mr. Snacks.
• 3:17:19
  No bad wolf or torch, wouldn't it wait to the end but here we
• 3:17:22
  actually start to get some answers here and we certainly
• 3:17:25
  start to address it Joe. You've talked about like great
• 3:17:27
  shot where the camera pans up and we get the reveal of the
• 3:17:30
  crack in part two on the space. Oh Why did I mention was the
• 3:17:33
  lazy climax where he just shoves the angels in there?
• 3:17:37
  Go. Well, that's them.
• 3:17:38
  Done with even though we don't know what that cracks all about.
• 3:17:40
  I mean he could be sent in many ways.
• 3:17:43
  Well, he could be, but he knows it's a time.
• 3:17:45
  I hope there's a whole world that the angels of obliterated
• 3:17:48
  on behalf. Well, they've gone to.
• 3:17:50
  Gallifrey, Gallifrey is on the other side of things we find out
• 3:17:52
  later on. Oh, maybe that's so much.
• 3:17:54
  Maybe that's why Russell on so pissed off later on.
• 3:17:57
  But anyway, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but I like the
• 3:18:00
  fact that, you know, we starting to address things here, we've
• 3:18:03
  got the cracker and we get lots of teases and the stuff that
• 3:18:06
  we're not gonna learn until next year, such as whoever killed and
• 3:18:09
  why she's in prison, or I think it's pretty damn obvious who
• 3:18:11
  she's killed, but there's also stuff that's not going to pay
• 3:18:14
  off till till time at the doctor at the end of the maps run, but
• 3:18:17
  I like the fact we starting to address stuff here, we're
• 3:18:20
  talking about the fact that he raises memories, which is Gonna
• 3:18:22
  Come on later on the series to become important when we meet
• 3:18:25
  raw Ray. So, I think all that works
• 3:18:27
  really well. And is starting to set out to
• 3:18:29
  stall. That actually moffatt to is
• 3:18:31
  going to be a bit more complex and intricate storytelling than
• 3:18:34
  we had with our tea day. And that's not knocking out
• 3:18:36
  today. They're just doing different
• 3:18:38
  things. He's in Chicago, about shoveling
• 3:18:40
  them all in a hole, that's the resolution.
• 3:18:43
  Was very clever, a whole story of the art, I think he's much
• 3:18:47
  more okay. The second reason I like you
• 3:18:51
  know he's take you to task here. I'm so sorry this intricate Arc
• 3:18:55
  that you're telling me all about.
• 3:18:56
  Yeah well we got at the end of the end of the season, who the
• 3:19:01
  hell was that voice? I don't think we have to find
• 3:19:03
  out the cracks in the universe that exists but don't, I'm not
• 3:19:06
  dressed them in the back. Big Bang, whether the Tardis
• 3:19:11
  over exploded or not. Yes, it does.
• 3:19:12
  Oh okay, if you say so well, it's not very clear, very clear.
• 3:19:16
  That's the whole resolution. How are that rolls on?
• 3:19:19
  That has to be explained in a 10-minute, Exposition scene in
• 3:19:22
  time with the doctor away from the main story just because the
• 3:19:26
  other explained it Figures. He's got along that you mean?
• 3:19:31
  That's incredible. I actually enjoyed them very
• 3:19:33
  much. I'm with you.
• 3:19:35
  I thank you. Some of us are some of you guys
• 3:19:38
  are easily pleased. No, if we really pleased with
• 3:19:42
  like the Chris triple era. Yeah, you don't know.
• 3:19:49
  Exactly. Don't don't know.
• 3:19:51
  Anyway, the second reason I like this.
• 3:19:52
  I like the river and Amy relationship and this oh,
• 3:19:58
  Stomach, you. Who was that was supposed to be
• 3:20:03
  Amy? Almost album wasn't sexualized.
• 3:20:06
  Again, did did they know at this stage that rifle was gonna turn
• 3:20:10
  out to be aim his daughter? I don't know whether they did,
• 3:20:12
  they know at the state. Again, one person was taking one
• 3:20:15
  person know that told her Well, I would believe that she did
• 3:20:19
  because I think she plays it as though, she could be.
• 3:20:22
  I mean, Gareth said you guess I don't know how on Earth you
• 3:20:25
  guessed. He must be sidekick but I just
• 3:20:27
  wait for the late years of possible.
• 3:20:29
  Oh, that really was that really was it.
• 3:20:32
  I was being facetious at the time and that's what that's
• 3:20:35
  another reason. Why was so disappointing to be,
• 3:20:37
  right? You went for the most sarcastic
• 3:20:40
  reason you could go up with. Oh, of course that was sarcastic
• 3:20:45
  was the old saying, on the other hand it could be leading
• 3:20:48
  perfectly into my argument. That is such a well-played well
• 3:20:51
  written relationship that it was apparent because I think Alex
• 3:20:55
  Kingston plays it was care and compassion towards Amy.
• 3:20:59
  That doesn't jar when you watch. But actually, when you watch it
• 3:21:02
  on rewatch I know their relationship in awesome makes
• 3:21:04
  complete sense so maybe that's why you guessed it because it
• 3:21:07
  was super bright and superb acting.
• 3:21:09
  I was something to do with it. I'm not so sure about the
• 3:21:13
  writing. Okay, but there's good acting.
• 3:21:15
  We'll we'll agree with that bit and ignore Joe.
• 3:21:17
  I also like the way that Amy responds to River, there's no
• 3:21:21
  kind of jealousy that we had with rows or even you know with
• 3:21:26
  With Martha. We don't get any of that here.
• 3:21:29
  Amy does not show any jealousy towards River being alive, she
• 3:21:33
  guesses. The she's the doctor's wife.
• 3:21:35
  She shows, she makes a joke, coffee.
• 3:21:36
  She's not showing any jealousy whatsoever at that point, you
• 3:21:40
  shaking at Joe, but it's not on screen.
• 3:21:42
  Literally Doctor. Sonic shoes is a hint of her
• 3:21:46
  jealousy. It's not just that however,
• 3:22:02
  Makes it even worse that we do get to that and seeing because I
• 3:22:06
  think that end scene comes out of nowhere and you had it was
• 3:22:09
  very black, this episode of this story, very dark, you know,
• 3:22:12
  you've got that comedy racing again, so that I absolutely, I
• 3:22:16
  think I've made it clear already.
• 3:22:17
  I absolutely loathe with the passion that final and seen.
• 3:22:22
  I think it has no place. I am hoping that the crack does
• 3:22:25
  open and sucks up into the story into it because it's just, it is
• 3:22:30
  just horrible, but there's nothing in the writing
• 3:22:31
  beforehand that suggests that Amy Says, to the doctor when
• 3:22:34
  she's coming on to him. Oh, I knew as soon as I was in
• 3:22:37
  danger, which is when she's in the forest but she exhibits, no
• 3:22:41
  sign of that. It's not, then the writing it's
• 3:22:43
  not there in the dialogue. He actually scared even in the
• 3:22:46
  final scene on the beach, there is absolutely no insinuation of
• 3:22:50
  where that that scene is going to come along.
• 3:22:52
  They don't play it like that. They don't write it like that,
• 3:22:54
  they're just playing it like a normal doctor, companion role.
• 3:22:57
  So then that scene comes along. And it's it's so jars and it's
• 3:23:02
  so horrible is, and I said I was going to do this.
• 3:23:05
  It's one of three moments that assassinate Amy Pond as a
• 3:23:10
  character that. Yeah.
• 3:23:12
  Because it just throws the whole season like the relationships
• 3:23:16
  into chaos. Yeah.
• 3:23:17
  When they kill her baby in a good man, goes to war which is
• 3:23:20
  just obscene. And then the fact that she just
• 3:23:24
  accepts that the baby's gone and it goes into Night Like This is
• 3:23:29
  just not a believable character on any level.
• 3:23:31
  The Karen Dillon can do all the work that she wants the right
• 3:23:35
  and just isn't there. I I'm never ever, ever going to
• 3:23:40
  try to defend that scene because I think it's horrible.
• 3:23:42
  I think the rest of the story around it is great.
• 3:23:44
  That seems awful. And the last season, I want to
• 3:23:48
  put this through because Joe, you said it actually, there's
• 3:23:50
  loads of proper chills in here, you know, when the angel appears
• 3:23:55
  in Amy's eye and she's rubbing and sand comes out.
• 3:23:57
  So they're Angel Bob's voice coming through on the radio the
• 3:24:01
  angel suddenly appearance behind father Octavian and breaking his
• 3:24:03
  neck. Amy doing suddenly doing that
• 3:24:06
  weird counting down, which is really quite creepy.
• 3:24:08
  Her closed. I walked through the forest.
• 3:24:11
  I think all of that is really chilling and I love, I do love
• 3:24:15
  this story and I would have got the story through but I
• 3:24:18
  completely accept that the last scene should never exist.
• 3:24:24
  He going through or not, I'm not sure it's not going through.
• 3:24:26
  No, you and Gareth through know, you put it.
• 3:24:29
  I would have put it. I would have put it through.
• 3:24:30
  Yeah I would I would have put it through and just tucked for
• 3:24:35
  ignored the horrible scene at the end.
• 3:24:37
  So in the words of the dream, Lord I am defeated.
• 3:24:40
  Oh no. Wait, how we're on the Pandora
• 3:24:47
  opens on the Big Bang and it's Gareth He write long dramatic
• 3:24:55
  pause. so, I really like the music in this episode.
• 3:25:01
  But usually means he hates the story.
• 3:25:04
  The River of Tears is an absolutely glorious minutes
• 3:25:08
  worth of music. And I think it's very, very
• 3:25:11
  moving. however, I do not like this episode.
• 3:25:18
  At all. It is if we take the second
• 3:25:22
  episode first because that's the most egregious of the two.
• 3:25:26
  It is what I would call an entire episode dedicated to the
• 3:25:30
  sofa of reasonable comfort. It is the entire gag.
• 3:25:35
  So one of my big things at the moment and it has been for a
• 3:25:37
  while was Steven Moffat is he wrote the kiss the Fatal death
• 3:25:40
  which is all very well and good and here how many years in a
• 3:25:43
  sodding sewer love it. But he plays that again and
• 3:25:47
  again and again and again, and again, and again and again and
• 3:25:53
  again, oh only put that in there because he put it in originally.
• 3:25:56
  So we didn't know. He said he's there again and
• 3:25:58
  again and this episode is predominantly around that when
• 3:26:01
  you get through that second episode and you take out all
• 3:26:04
  those time, travel elements that are in there.
• 3:26:06
  What's actually left very, very little of that last episode It's
• 3:26:13
  trying to be clever for the sake of it almost like filler.
• 3:26:16
  If I had to be brutally honest. Because what you've done is you
• 3:26:20
  put all your eggs into one basket, in the first episode.
• 3:26:24
  You've built up. What?
• 3:26:25
  Is quite a unique story in that a lot of the villains get
• 3:26:30
  together and decide, they're going to put the doctor in a
• 3:26:33
  prison. Sounds quite good on the face of
• 3:26:36
  it toy sales through the roof by the by the idea, wonderful.
• 3:26:40
  But a Cyberman Daleks, on Tyron, whatever the hoax.
• 3:26:49
  And and I would also like to then point out the great
• 3:26:53
  appearance for all these great ships in the sky, with the drive
• 3:26:55
  in the hills and the attraction. That's right.
• 3:26:58
  You heard it. The attract sea.
• 3:26:59
  We means that they are actually villains.
• 3:27:01
  So maybe prisoner 0 was on the big bad guy, like money people
• 3:27:06
  thought in the first one just pointing that out.
• 3:27:08
  Yeah, I was female race perfect and this season but the first
• 3:27:18
  episode sets itself up quite nicely.
• 3:27:21
  In terms of putting a lot of plot ideas out there about the
• 3:27:24
  fact that there's going to be a box, he's going to be put into
• 3:27:26
  it and it's lost in that second episode hand on heart.
• 3:27:31
  I hope we were going to reboot everything.
• 3:27:35
  By the end of this episode that, the Big Bang 2 would be.
• 3:27:37
  The complete, reset me. That all continuity from
• 3:27:40
  beforehand. We wouldn't have to worry about
• 3:27:43
  now. I know that's quite bold.
• 3:27:45
  I like myself to continue a tea. I like it, but I would have
• 3:27:48
  enjoyed it at that point, because we've hit the reset
• 3:27:51
  button and we've done everything and no, no, no.
• 3:27:54
  We haven't just everything still happens.
• 3:27:56
  We still get the whole river song Story happening there
• 3:27:58
  after. That's not been a bitter rated.
• 3:28:01
  And it just it feels a wasted effort. to set up something this
• 3:28:06
  big but it to them be completely undermined by toward recurs in
• 3:28:12
  the second episode. I mean, parents back though.
• 3:28:16
  There is one difference. Mmm, she does get a parents
• 3:28:19
  back. There is one difference in the
• 3:28:21
  new universe. Yeah, and he actually rewrite
• 3:28:26
  her life. So there is that there is a
• 3:28:28
  positive spin on that. Oh, so I mean this whole series
• 3:28:30
  didn't happen. So in the podcast didn't happen,
• 3:28:33
  what the hell have we been doing for the last few hours there the
• 3:28:37
  whole time? Now yeah, that means everything
• 3:28:41
  that led up to the Empower never happened.
• 3:28:43
  Don't do it yourself. Cross-eyed Yeah, pretty much.
• 3:28:46
  Oh I'll suddenly love it. Deleted the season.
• 3:28:52
  So just feels very Hollow. Overall the sense of Jeopardy
• 3:28:56
  couldn't get much bigger, if you try to and then we just hit the
• 3:28:58
  big reset button by the end of it.
• 3:29:00
  Having said that Having said that?
• 3:29:04
  I do quite like the doctor sitting down and telling his
• 3:29:08
  story. And at the end, we're in the
• 3:29:11
  end, we're all stories and that little teaser and how that comes
• 3:29:14
  out. I like that bit.
• 3:29:17
  But I'm afraid it's buried in amongst everything else.
• 3:29:20
  That's just a slog to get through.
• 3:29:24
  I had to do the big banging, two sittings for this.
• 3:29:27
  Because I got so fed up after the first 25 minutes.
• 3:29:32
  I found it brutal to get through.
• 3:29:34
  Because I'm just from watching silly little scenes, going back
• 3:29:37
  and forth with the doctor leaving messages for himself.
• 3:29:39
  And oh, now we're opening that bag of mashing.
• 3:29:44
  Why do we even bother getting invested in Doctor Who in the
• 3:29:46
  first Bloomin place? Because it said you were
• 3:29:49
  thirsty. Oh, I can go back and do
• 3:29:52
  everything. Yeah, you can just go back and
• 3:29:54
  story. All right, the time travel is
• 3:29:58
  the one can see. You don't want to show up on
• 3:30:00
  Doctor Who because once you're showing that you're showing the
• 3:30:02
  workings of everything. And everyone and I have had this
• 3:30:05
  from people who watch the same series I went, oh, why don't you
• 3:30:09
  just go back inside everything out before even gets there?
• 3:30:11
  What's the point of the series? They actually lost more people
• 3:30:13
  that I knew personally. At the end of this series
• 3:30:17
  because they could not get into it once.
• 3:30:19
  They'd seen this, I saw people who adored Russell TVs, there
• 3:30:23
  was one guy used to pay Lottery subscriptions to absolutely
• 3:30:25
  adored. This every soft and I would see
• 3:30:27
  and go I'll enjoyed last week's episode Gareth.
• 3:30:30
  We got to The Moffat area and he was completely excited himself
• 3:30:33
  went well it's another one. Don't go what's going on and
• 3:30:36
  can't send particularly enjoying it, and there's nothing much in
• 3:30:39
  it for me anymore. And that's one who's not a
• 3:30:42
  doctor, who was just a casual viewer, which Moffat should have
• 3:30:45
  got him by the droves. By this point, not just pushed
• 3:30:48
  away the Old Guard. So, for me, it is a complete
• 3:30:52
  rewriting of history in the it just completely undermines the
• 3:30:56
  series. It doesn't really have much left
• 3:30:59
  to it by the end, and I just wish the big crack.
• 3:31:03
  Would you raise my memory of the entire series?
• 3:31:06
  I think. You know my muffler, right?
• 3:31:09
  She found me up at the end of Doomsday and tears, she's found
• 3:31:13
  me up at the end of The Big Bang.
• 3:31:15
  She ran. What the fuck was that all
• 3:31:17
  about? Like, I think a lot of the
• 3:31:19
  orders will be wondering that about that for it.
• 3:31:23
  Shall we go to the comments? Yes.
• 3:31:24
  Mark Donaldson says then logical.
• 3:31:27
  Next Step from rtd's increasingly extravagant finale
• 3:31:30
  is every monster ever rather than Stonehenge.
• 3:31:33
  Rory kills, Amy moth, even sticks, the state of fairy tale
• 3:31:37
  Landing, but having got away with it, once he risks getting
• 3:31:40
  more cocky next season. Oh, we'll get there andy
• 3:31:44
  Parkinson, in the long tradition of finales.
• 3:31:46
  This is a good first part and a disappointing second, I love the
• 3:31:50
  scene where the doctor tweaks about Rory, the second, big
• 3:31:53
  bang. So, but there's enough here to
• 3:31:55
  entertain. So, keep it bracelet Gregory
• 3:31:58
  says a perfectly disposable Preamble before pulling the rug
• 3:32:01
  at the end of part one and destroying in capitals, the
• 3:32:04
  whole fucking Universe. It's a master class in plotting
• 3:32:08
  pulling together stitches. So weeks beforehand, tie
• 3:32:11
  everything up. So super neatly, you'd have to
• 3:32:14
  be a crazy person to try and, um, okay.
• 3:32:16
  Best of the new series finale is so glad you gave me this one
• 3:32:21
  crashed. Tommy the Point moffett's, head
• 3:32:23
  went up himself, never to return this introduces the
• 3:32:27
  self-important speeches, tedious, people get other
• 3:32:30
  doctors to read and the frenetic Pace to disguise the wonky
• 3:32:35
  plotting and faulty logic of the story been this crap.
• 3:32:39
  Jason Thompson says, just about my favorite finale, despite lots
• 3:32:42
  of things, I should loathe. The aliens running away in their
• 3:32:45
  ships rather than just blasting the doctor into a pile.
• 3:32:47
  Of Ash is a Trope I hate. But here it's a ruse killing
• 3:32:50
  Amy. And then blowing up, the
• 3:32:52
  universe makes it far too obvious.
• 3:32:53
  There's going to be a reset and yet we got a final episode that
• 3:32:57
  has Universal Stakes but focuses on a small cast and has an
• 3:33:01
  actual happy ending. I love it.
• 3:33:03
  Daniel Knight a bit overblown, you know, a big reset button was
• 3:33:07
  sorted out and therefore any suspense about the resolution is
• 3:33:09
  non-existent, it's the Voyager problem, isn't it?
• 3:33:12
  The Universe? I gotta stay destroyed forever,
• 3:33:15
  right? We rather needed to tell stories
• 3:33:17
  in. There are good set pieces though
• 3:33:20
  and the stone Dart. It looks great now RTD wasn't
• 3:33:23
  above that as well. No we just wiped out, 10% of the
• 3:33:26
  population. Not bad.
• 3:33:27
  I would hear us. Yeah.
• 3:33:28
  But then we rewrite, it's all big orange.
• 3:33:30
  Michael says, I freaking love this.
• 3:33:32
  It's all the right notes and delivers, a great script and
• 3:33:34
  some epic performance is in my top tier of all who Got Koya, an
• 3:33:39
  incredibly ambitious closer that aims to link everything.
• 3:33:41
  We've previously seen, leave some mystery brewing, and have
• 3:33:44
  some fun. The Epic reveals are enough to
• 3:33:46
  carry you through and illustrate moths interest in the doctors
• 3:33:50
  Legend and how these pop culture mythologies can impact us and
• 3:33:54
  Hollingsworth said best of those Moffitt through everything in
• 3:33:56
  the pot and see what tastes good.
• 3:33:58
  Never mind than. Usually plot holes finale, but
• 3:34:00
  it's entertaining that's great or great one life.
• 3:34:04
  So motion, David Gillespie Pratt works really well.
• 3:34:07
  And also doesn't work at all. That's all so good summation.
• 3:34:10
  The time together of elements across the season is nice and
• 3:34:13
  the doctor going back along his time.
• 3:34:14
  I really like, but they should have done more with that but
• 3:34:17
  it's all so easily resolved. John Cook said, now this is how
• 3:34:22
  you doing a serious finale, so many strands brilliantly woven
• 3:34:25
  Together, Matt on imperious form, the emotional, the
• 3:34:28
  Cliffhanger, the brilliantly Mad, Capra.
• 3:34:30
  Resolution it all just works, Ally.
• 3:34:33
  Fantastic from start to finish seeing the doctor captured, by
• 3:34:36
  all of his old enemies. In such an effective way is So
• 3:34:39
  exciting, great performance is all around.
• 3:34:42
  A Triumph and finally, Paul crosses as a great first steps
• 3:34:45
  of that, had me really excited for the finale ruined by the
• 3:34:48
  Cliffhanger, being resolved by the doctor coming back from a
• 3:34:51
  future, where the Cliffhanger had been resolved to put the
• 3:34:53
  pieces in place to resolve. The Cliffhanger.
• 3:34:56
  That is when my Goodwill died. Oh I am.
• 3:35:00
  Did your Goodwill die with the big bang in the Pandora open.
• 3:35:05
  Well, you know what? It was it was My faith was
• 3:35:10
  tested. Father I thought the first
• 3:35:14
  episode was absolutely magnificent so you've got this
• 3:35:17
  wonderful kind of 10 minute free credit sequence that goes back
• 3:35:21
  to almost every episode and finds a way of kind of
• 3:35:24
  continuing each of those stories and uniting them.
• 3:35:27
  You then get into the main story, Rivers back, hooray,
• 3:35:31
  there's this thing, the Pandora, I didn't see it coming.
• 3:35:35
  What you know, the doctor keeps going on.
• 3:35:37
  What could you possibly be? And I was thinking that could be
• 3:35:40
  like a really like really really naughty version of the master.
• 3:35:43
  I don't know what could it be? And it builds up to the
• 3:35:48
  Revelation. The you know, lots and lots of
• 3:35:51
  the enemies are working together which was just magnificent and
• 3:35:56
  the Cliffhanger. When they put the doctor in the
• 3:35:58
  Pandora Kool was possibly the greatest.
• 3:36:00
  Certainly the greatest Cliffhanger of doctor, whoever
• 3:36:03
  one of the greatest moments but then When you think about it.
• 3:36:10
  And that explanation for how it gets out of the Pandora.
• 3:36:13
  That's bulshit and I smelt bulshit at the time, but I
• 3:36:18
  didn't like say anything, because yay, more fat, but it
• 3:36:21
  was bulshit. And no point.
• 3:36:22
  Do you see how the doctor gets out of the Pandora in order to
• 3:36:26
  go back and get himself out of the Pandora?
• 3:36:29
  It was nonsense. But what, that second episode
• 3:36:33
  gives us is a lot more of young, Amelia, which is always worth
• 3:36:37
  watching. You have the marvelous bit
• 3:36:42
  wherever it doesn't even look at the doctrine.
• 3:36:44
  Just says, what the hell have you call on your head?
• 3:36:47
  And the whole fesses are cool moment.
• 3:36:50
  It's Pacey, it's clever. It makes sense to me in it all
• 3:36:55
  comes together in that moment. And this must have been
• 3:36:58
  something that offered thought of, maybe 20 years ago and had
• 3:37:02
  spent his whole life writing to get to the point where he can
• 3:37:05
  have Amy Pond on her wedding day.
• 3:37:07
  Remember something old, something new, something
• 3:37:10
  borrowed, and something blue and all the hairs on my arms, stood
• 3:37:13
  up and watching it, this time, I lost my shit and it was the
• 3:37:17
  messiest of all the messy Christ that bit for me, is without the
• 3:37:22
  best bit of Doctor Who, if not the best bit of Television ever.
• 3:37:25
  So, yeah, there might be some logic holes.
• 3:37:27
  They might be some gaps. They might be some bits that
• 3:37:29
  don't work, but Mighty look good.
• 3:37:34
  Josh, we got to you next. Yes, this is where the format
• 3:37:38
  are Strictly, Come hamster. Falls down for me.
• 3:37:42
  Because if these were two individual episodes, the
• 3:37:45
  pandorica opens would be my favorite episode of the season.
• 3:37:48
  I think it is peerless. I think you're right that 10
• 3:37:52
  minutes sequence, which walks us through the season is glorious,
• 3:37:56
  the mystery of what's under Stonehenge, all of it is
• 3:37:59
  executed to the hill River song, it's less annoying in this,
• 3:38:03
  there's lots of big exciting things going on.
• 3:38:06
  So she saw a lesson porn, you know, she's there.
• 3:38:09
  Clearing away she's doing and fuck me.
• 3:38:13
  That's me. Performers at that Cliffhanger.
• 3:38:15
  The bit where he goes. Please listen to.
• 3:38:18
  Oh my God, it gives me chills just to think about it.
• 3:38:21
  Oh, when I started thinking about it would all of those
• 3:38:25
  monsters come together and go, let's put him in a box.
• 3:38:29
  You know, like those monsters would never get to get her in
• 3:38:33
  the room. They would be murdering each
• 3:38:34
  other like in the first second none.
• 3:38:36
  I'm sure they would because they're all the same, they're
• 3:38:37
  all Voice by Nick Briggs so it's fine.
• 3:38:39
  They're all one person actually. Already did it in warm monk, I
• 3:38:43
  didn't he? So we've seen that all these
• 3:38:44
  aliens can actually have a lot now.
• 3:38:46
  It was just a shit there but it is a brilliant episode, right?
• 3:38:50
  And it structures the season amazingly, well, And then you
• 3:38:58
  get the big bang, which I just think is one of the worst season
• 3:39:02
  finales. I just, oh, I just couldn't, I
• 3:39:06
  was so ready for the big bang and the palpable disappointment,
• 3:39:11
  I felt at the end of it. Yeah, I've put here.
• 3:39:16
  Utter Perfection. Turns into a nightmare of
• 3:39:18
  scatter-shot plotting making up rules around.
• 3:39:21
  Time travel comedy, twists, and a self-sacrifice that leaves a
• 3:39:25
  bad taste in the mouth. I mean, I hate ourselves
• 3:39:27
  sacrifice at the end of the story and I know it's very
• 3:39:30
  moving how it's played, but it's just a lazy old Trope.
• 3:39:33
  I mean, all deploys. It many times, you know, he's
• 3:39:36
  doing it mofish. Should not be doing it.
• 3:39:39
  He's a clever, man. The whole of that second episode
• 3:39:42
  feels improvised, right? It feels like the season is
• 3:39:46
  resolved because Stephen Murphy or rather, Amy poems says he is
• 3:39:51
  good enough for me. This is when did Doctor Who ever
• 3:39:55
  work like this? You know you are my fairy tale
• 3:39:58
  man and I will you into oh fuck off, fuck off, Amy Palms, you
• 3:40:03
  know Jesus Christ evil the wedding's all about you isn't
• 3:40:07
  it? Oh, bloody woman.
• 3:40:11
  Um, can I just ask if that's been Donna?
• 3:40:13
  Noble, wishing the doctor back into.
• 3:40:15
  Existence, would you have bought a?
• 3:40:17
  They never would have gone. Oh no, they never would have
• 3:40:21
  gone there with Donna. I'm Rusty, Davis who, you know,
• 3:40:23
  logic is shaky at the best of time this year.
• 3:40:26
  He just want to landed it better than someone railing.
• 3:40:30
  This is the climax to the story. I won, you know, it doesn't make
• 3:40:34
  any sense. You can tell me to your blue in
• 3:40:37
  the face that the logic of magic.
• 3:40:39
  You know, why? You're right, explain me the
• 3:40:42
  logic of before. So, in Star Wars, you know how
• 3:40:44
  something's makes sense? And other things don't.
• 3:40:46
  It's just made up, and it's not much, but we'll get that.
• 3:40:50
  Okay, fine. I just hate the fact that Rory
• 3:40:55
  marries Amy after everything that she has put him through
• 3:40:58
  this season, man. She cheated on bullied and
• 3:41:01
  masculate and he gives himself to the woman who is responsible.
• 3:41:04
  It's just a people think it's a triumphant into the season, how
• 3:41:09
  they've been watching the Season the miserable life.
• 3:41:13
  He's gonna have for this woman, more fat legs.
• 3:41:16
  That's just a smaller side, you know, I was just hate them Ripa
• 3:41:20
  turning up at the end, you know, like, oh guys, when she goes
• 3:41:23
  possible window, I know over. I'll be back next year.
• 3:41:26
  She says, oh great, we will look forward to that.
• 3:41:31
  Yeah, it's just miserable that last episode and it's so
• 3:41:34
  annoying because the Pandora's is a genuinely brilliant episode
• 3:41:38
  of Doctor Who, but no, it all just falls off a cliff, didn't
• 3:41:43
  it? I know we're not gonna pin it,
• 3:41:45
  but Two of us. Have at least give them a solid
• 3:41:49
  reason as to why this is trash. Oh, one more thing.
• 3:41:56
  Sorry, before we before we finish one more thing also as
• 3:42:01
  well. I really dislike.
• 3:42:03
  How Moffitt has this irritating habit of introducing the doctor
• 3:42:08
  to a young underage girl and then aging that girl up through
• 3:42:12
  time travel and then putting that in a sexual context, it's
• 3:42:17
  really ugly. And I don't like the fact that
• 3:42:20
  the doctor visits, Amy, Pond's bed at the end of this story
• 3:42:23
  when earlier in the season, if it a responsible, when she was
• 3:42:27
  trying to get off of him, it's just ick.
• 3:42:29
  It's all it. Think that's, that's a bit of an
• 3:42:33
  overreach. No, it's not.
• 3:42:35
  It doesn't go into fireplace. He does it all the time.
• 3:42:38
  Yeah. But to say it's about what a
• 3:42:41
  lovely pretty young. Girl, you are right towards 15
• 3:42:44
  years. Fine.
• 3:42:46
  You're the right age now, let's get snugging.
• 3:42:49
  Okay. This for me, is probably my
• 3:42:53
  favorite as they see. I love this two parts.
• 3:42:57
  I think this is here us. I adore it.
• 3:43:01
  The first reason I think this is spectacular is that I think it's
• 3:43:06
  a perfect balance. So this is a story.
• 3:43:08
  The End of the Universe where we meet loads of characters from a
• 3:43:11
  cross the season as you've all rightly points out, the doctors
• 3:43:13
  enemies all assemble. The Tardis explodes times
• 3:43:17
  Rewritten, but at the heart of it Moffitt is focusing on
• 3:43:20
  characters and they're at the heart of the story.
• 3:43:23
  This is Amy Palms. Story, come full circle, Joe.
• 3:43:26
  You've just said a, we go back to where we saw her at the
• 3:43:29
  beginning of the 11th hour, but then the doctor fixes, the
• 3:43:32
  damage that was gone to a close as the cracks in the rebooted
• 3:43:35
  universe. So she hasn't had to wait for
• 3:43:37
  him. 14 years in a damaged, State simultaneously gives her
• 3:43:42
  back the love of her life which is Rory.
• 3:43:44
  That is a beautiful beautiful ending focusing on characters
• 3:43:48
  and there's just so many little moments like Rory's initially an
• 3:43:51
  auton duplicate when she meets them and she can't remember him
• 3:43:54
  and they know the tragedy of that.
• 3:43:57
  The doctor, you know, Moffitt writer.
• 3:43:59
  So the doctor says to Rory, you're going to have to be very
• 3:44:01
  brave. Now, he doesn't know what's
• 3:44:03
  coming up and it's the fact that Amy has forgotten them at that
• 3:44:06
  stage, and it's just little character moments like yeah, I
• 3:44:09
  think absolutely glorious. She dismisses them and Rory has
• 3:44:14
  to be broke. That's not the kind of thing.
• 3:44:15
  The doctor would usually do that, that's just beautiful.
• 3:44:18
  And then we finally does come to Murray and yes, it's good old,
• 3:44:21
  true melodramatic moment where we're coming up to the
• 3:44:24
  Cliffhanger. He kills her another bucket.
• 3:44:26
  I'm with Ian, I'm weeping buckets at that point.
• 3:44:28
  That was the point where I thought that episode was Tryon.
• 3:44:31
  That's absolutely glorious. He's cuddling a dead body.
• 3:44:36
  I mean, it's just Brave on all day.
• 3:44:38
  I think it's wonderful but there's loads of other moments
• 3:44:40
  and character, mom, was that just sing for me, Rory guarding
• 3:44:44
  the Pandora. Of for 2000 years to protect
• 3:44:46
  love. Why she loves the miserable
• 3:44:49
  Swan. I just love.
• 3:44:50
  She's all right. He loves her, they're Embrace
• 3:44:54
  when she's released. He sees the first time after
• 3:44:56
  Millennia of waiting, it's beautiful.
• 3:44:58
  And through to that fairy tale wedding where she's brought back
• 3:45:01
  a moment because this is the rebooted universe and Karen
• 3:45:04
  absolutely sells that. That wonderful the parents You
• 3:45:12
  say that, you say that Mr. For. But there is a line there that
• 3:45:16
  absolutely makes me shed buckets.
• 3:45:18
  It is as well. I'm shooting buckets throughout
• 3:45:20
  this, and it's just that beautiful, beautiful line, where
• 3:45:23
  Karen Gill and just looks at father and says my tiny little
• 3:45:26
  dad and I've just such a beautiful heartfelt moment.
• 3:45:30
  It's that he's not the kind of thing.
• 3:45:31
  You usually find in a script. It's like a real emotion leading
• 3:45:35
  through into that. She's like a phobic as well.
• 3:45:37
  Oh, screw you Hearts bastard. It's just glorious.
• 3:45:44
  That absolutely brings me to tears.
• 3:45:46
  So confusing though, isn't it? Like, what does she remember?
• 3:45:49
  Does she remember then being there or they're not being
• 3:45:52
  there? No.
• 3:45:52
  Because when she wakes up and she first sees a mother, she's
• 3:45:55
  surprised to see her mother. That's why she react.
• 3:45:57
  So positively to see her father's eyes.
• 3:46:00
  Already existence. Yes for her.
• 3:46:02
  They are, yes, was very curious time travel.
• 3:46:04
  It's not, it's very straightforward.
• 3:46:06
  That's all there. Just watch the fucking episode.
• 3:46:09
  Just tell us a story. Take your head out the ass and
• 3:46:15
  watch what's on the screen. It's Actually should we leave
• 3:46:23
  them to it? We could My second reason for
• 3:46:29
  supporting this row is I think we've touched on this ties the
• 3:46:32
  season together perfectly and puts a bow on it?
• 3:46:34
  This isn't just unveiling what bad wolf or torch would means we
• 3:46:37
  see all the characters. We see Vincent torture of
• 3:46:40
  nightmares, the Tardes exploding we see Churchill Embrace, well,
• 3:46:44
  finding the painting River, stealing it from Liz tan, Amy,
• 3:46:48
  leaving the card for the doctrine, the lodge.
• 3:46:51
  All that types of all the episodes, but the best of all is
• 3:46:55
  that a scene actually? Not a newly shot saying, but the
• 3:46:59
  scene that we'd already seen in Flushing Stone, where the doctor
• 3:47:02
  comes back to Amy and tells him to remember everyone had written
• 3:47:05
  that offers. It's a calm people.
• 3:47:06
  Like you, Joe Ford. Oh, it's a continuity error.
• 3:47:09
  Moffat doesn't know what he's doing.
• 3:47:11
  It's a load of rubbish. Why did he come back?
• 3:47:12
  He's in the jacket. The Angels got the jacket.
• 3:47:14
  They shouldn't do that. You did not mention that at all.
• 3:47:20
  That's what people like you say that.
• 3:47:25
  But it's a remarkable bit of writing that it worked there in
• 3:47:29
  episode 5 and it works even better in episode 13 because
• 3:47:32
  it's got more power or more resonance.
• 3:47:34
  And that is fucking clever for me.
• 3:47:36
  And finally, and finally, as the doctor would say Moffitt
• 3:47:42
  comments on Doctor, Who in this story, Joe, you keep saying it's
• 3:47:45
  about magic. It is not about magic.
• 3:47:47
  It's about the power of memory. Rory, overcomes his Autumn
• 3:47:52
  programming because of his memories of Amy.
• 3:47:54
  The universe is rebooted because of the memories of the universe
• 3:47:58
  disseminated by the exploding Tarts or what works.
• 3:48:01
  Most of all, I can, I completely agree with you.
• 3:48:03
  Yeah, memories. Just the universe.
• 3:48:10
  Rory, remember the song? Do you remember what happened
• 3:48:16
  yesterday? Joe.
• 3:48:18
  In your life. That's not Magic on a message
• 3:48:25
  properly, properly change. Yeah, that's not much.
• 3:48:34
  It's memorized the best thing he's a force now is it?
• 3:48:39
  Memories are actual Force. It's an actual physical concept
• 3:48:43
  that can change the structure of the universe.
• 3:48:46
  Yeah, this is science fiction, but it's memory.
• 3:48:48
  Always our of memory. That's how Amy brings back by
• 3:48:52
  memory. Remember something, old new
• 3:48:55
  borrowed blow, which is tremendous, I'm with you and but
• 3:48:58
  there's more to it than that. I'm gonna go.
• 3:49:01
  It's not just memory though, is it?
• 3:49:05
  It's the power of the crack. Oh, like, we're leaving the
• 3:49:08
  crack. I'm all for the memory, okay?
• 3:49:11
  You don't get the memory is doing what it needs to do, to
• 3:49:18
  rebuild the universe. It's not the crack, it's the
• 3:49:20
  memories in the Pandora on the Tardis.
• 3:49:22
  You get a movie called The Final point I want to make is about
• 3:49:31
  memory, that is nothing commenting on Doctor.
• 3:49:34
  Who the doctor, both the character and the show of only
• 3:49:38
  been brought back because of the memories that all of us have are
• 3:49:41
  of it. And that's what Stephen Murphy
• 3:49:43
  is telling us at the end of his first year as show runner.
• 3:49:47
  He's celebrating and commemorating the memories.
• 3:49:50
  We have of doctor which meant that the silly little show came
• 3:49:53
  back. 16 years later and we're all loving it.
• 3:49:55
  I thank you. Good night golf.
• 3:49:57
  I know. Right?
• 3:49:58
  That's not what Doctor Who got brought back though?
• 3:50:01
  It got back because our baby sea producer.
• 3:50:03
  Went, oh, Wicked. Make a bit of money out of this.
• 3:50:05
  This is a good idea. Also, it's making a lot of money
• 3:50:08
  in the wilderness years of all these books and audios.
• 3:50:11
  You know what? That memory my foot.
• 3:50:14
  That's not right. We need to issue an apology then
• 3:50:18
  to Chris chibnall. Why excellent hungry Earth that
• 3:50:21
  they provided using the memory of the silurians.
• 3:50:24
  Oh my goodness, Rod. How did I miss that?
• 3:50:26
  Oh, no problems. Oh, how did I do that?
• 3:50:32
  Oh my goodness. So I think that is going through
• 3:50:38
  the pandorica opens and the Big Bang goes round as you can tell.
• 3:50:42
  They're listening to different. Oh wonderful.
• 3:50:47
  Father, thank you. Should go front around too.
• 3:50:51
  We've got rid of so far, only three.
• 3:50:53
  Oh my God! It's then we got rid of hungrier
• 3:50:59
  Van Gogh and then we got rid of the 11th hour.
• 3:51:02
  Yeah. But do we get rid of time of the
• 3:51:07
  time of angels? Yeah, that's too too pause in
• 3:51:10
  there. You could say, we got rid of
• 3:51:12
  Four Seasons. No.
• 3:51:14
  Oh yes. Half the season.
• 3:51:17
  Fair enough if you want to. Okay, so we are left with B
• 3:51:21
  Spiller vampires of Venice, Amy's Choice.
• 3:51:23
  Finally, the doctor, the lodge and the Pandora opens.
• 3:51:26
  Joe, get your company music working at me musica, go.
• 3:51:31
  I'm the first one up is the lodger.
• 3:51:35
  The larger is going to play vampires of Venice so which is
• 3:51:41
  better. Vampires of Venice all the
• 3:51:43
  launcher. Gareth.
• 3:51:47
  Vampires of Venice. Ian.
• 3:51:51
  Gotta be the larger. And I'm going through the lodge
• 3:51:54
  of two. So vampires of Venice.
• 3:51:57
  Is the next. We have.
• 3:52:05
  The Beast below. Where is the Pandora opens?
• 3:52:10
  Big Bang. Well after I've just give them
• 3:52:14
  that, I'm going for the Andorra opens, big bang and I'm gonna
• 3:52:17
  get my voice and before I get shouted over. so, Oh, my last
• 3:52:24
  talk. Thank you.
• 3:52:41
  Pandora have very, very enthusiastically a good choice.
• 3:52:45
  Well done. And can I just say you're an
• 3:52:47
  excellent choice of guests on this episode?
• 3:52:49
  Thank you would have been a frog of just and so we have Vincent
• 3:53:01
  and the doctor up against the lodger.
• 3:53:10
  Oh, please listen to the doctor. I am Benson Tollway.
• 3:53:15
  Gareth Vincent. And Vincent for me too.
• 3:53:18
  So the lodger Is the next fall was anyone else a bit scared
• 3:53:24
  that? We ultimately vote The Lodge of
• 3:53:26
  the best? It's not the weirdest Ranger
• 3:53:29
  things about this podcast. Yeah, no more one episode.
• 3:53:33
  Yeah. Um so we are left with Vincent
• 3:53:37
  and the doctor Amy's choice, and the Pandora opens, Big Bang,
• 3:53:40
  interesting three. So let's spin the wheel for the
• 3:53:44
  last time. And we have Amish choice.
• 3:53:49
  Choice. Choice up against Big Bang Bang.
• 3:54:00
  Gareth. Who's choice?
• 3:54:04
  So we have got Pandora opens, Big Bang in the final where it
• 3:54:16
  should be. Yes.
• 3:54:17
  In the doctor. So not not the usual too but
• 3:54:23
  that's what we've got. So I'd say these are the most
• 3:54:26
  popular episodes of the year. How can all the 11th Hour?
• 3:54:29
  Usually stores really well and timing.
• 3:54:31
  Well angels I want to put that through.
• 3:54:33
  I was there to go. So Pandora opens, big bang and
• 3:54:37
  Vincent let us start with Gareth Oh, this is this this one's
• 3:54:43
  pretty rough. because I think as I've said throughout this the
• 3:54:47
  both, Fairly much of two halves. And I've got to go with
• 3:54:54
  consistency. So I'm gonna go with Vincent.
• 3:54:59
  I want to go with River Song, so I'm gonna vote for the Pandora.
• 3:55:04
  Go. My favorite episode of The
• 3:55:07
  Arrow. Oh, the sky becoming pain.
• 3:55:22
  Oh my God, it's so good. Please.
• 3:55:26
  I just like the extending the hand of people, Kate suffering,
• 3:55:32
  depression and Doctor Who, oh, he's got for the emotional poll.
• 3:55:35
  Now, you know, the the way that camera swings around Vincent in
• 3:55:39
  the gallery, something old, something new something
• 3:55:44
  borrowed, something blue. You rely on memory Homes, you
• 3:55:53
  exactly. But comforting Vincent, oh, it's
• 3:55:58
  just so beautiful and embracing Rory after years of waiting.
• 3:56:02
  Oh God, I don't know which way to go on this one.
• 3:56:09
  If if I went for Pandora opens, is there any lightly with that?
• 3:56:14
  Anybody is going to change that? No.
• 3:56:19
  Trouble is, I'm genuinely torn between these two.
• 3:56:29
  Pandora opens is not a pile of bad stuff.
• 3:56:34
  I know you are. Bill Nye oh my word Bill Nye.
• 3:56:43
  That was all the way when the doctor goes to him.
• 3:56:46
  Oh, what a wonderful bow ties. Oh please oh gorgeous, I will go
• 3:56:55
  with Vincent. Yeah.
• 3:56:58
  I can't, I can't. View that it's not a fantastic
• 3:57:02
  episode here. I don't know.
• 3:57:04
  This is like when you've been in the pub for four hours and it's
• 3:57:07
  the final and England against all expectation of got to the
• 3:57:11
  final and you watch it and you think I've been in here all day
• 3:57:15
  and I've lost you, you don't love to know.
• 3:57:18
  I mean, it's it's fine. It's not Pandora on the other
• 3:57:25
  hand. Against the stiff competition,
• 3:57:28
  we've got in this room to get big bang on Pandora, opens into
• 3:57:32
  the finale is, I think pretty much a good shout.
• 3:57:36
  Give them so and then lost city that we've got in the room.
• 3:57:38
  So you don't between us, we're calling this, a low-key win for
• 3:57:41
  us. Yeah.
• 3:57:42
  He don't get to Pandora without Vincent's painting.
• 3:57:45
  A true. And you know, I mean, if you had
• 3:57:49
  sort of split them, yeah or may have aged for Pandora as a
• 3:57:54
  single time to win the season because I just go back and start
• 3:57:59
  again. We can't start splitting
• 3:58:00
  stories. Now, hang on, wait for me in the
• 3:58:02
  wall. Oh, universe is restarted.
• 3:58:04
  Well, We'll have to reboot Strictly Come hamster and redo
• 3:58:08
  all those episodes from before? No, it's too much too much.
• 3:58:11
  You remember when Mark or in that cup of tea earlier I do
• 3:58:14
  actually happened in episode 4. Okay well he's got a lot deeper
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  meaning now We told Rick work. We have got, wasn't she in birds
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  of a feather? What told, yeah, I've gotta be
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  honest though, right? Like this whole podcast, is full
• 3:58:40
  of treat. What?
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  Particularly the Matt Smith of Poker.
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  And how does that make you feel? Well, we just Like that.
• 3:58:57
  That bit where she was playing off the two guys against you.
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  I didn't say this at the time because it might have made my
• 3:59:02
  arm. Argument our balance on what I
• 3:59:04
  was in that position at one point where I was in an open
• 3:59:07
  relationship, I was sort of playing two guys against each
• 3:59:09
  other and I was a terrible person, you know.
• 3:59:12
  Absolutely awful. When I was watching that
• 3:59:14
  episode, I was like, 80 Bond. I hate you and I realized what I
• 3:59:18
  actually met was. I hate me?
• 3:59:19
  Because I did that one. This is kind of like, um, there
• 3:59:23
  is Choice, isn't it? Yeah.
• 3:59:25
  The dream you are the dream. Lord, as well shoes Markley's
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  please. But do you do?
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  Yeah. Oh yes.
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  Well, we have got to a very well.
• 3:59:37
  Yeah, we have got to work and he went but a very worthy second
• 3:59:43
  runner up as well. Very interesting to see Vincent,
• 3:59:45
  and a doctor and sleep. No more going up against each
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  other. I want it.
• 3:59:48
  We've got some interesting discussions to come back for.
• 3:59:52
  Now, we need to thank these two learning and Of guided us from
• 3:59:57
  very different directions through this evening's Journey.
• 4:00:00
  Gareth where can people find you online?
• 4:00:02
  Well, if anyone does want to hear me after a lot of
• 4:00:05
  negativity from me, then they can listen out because I'm
• 4:00:09
  taking part in the hamster, book club in future episodes.
• 4:00:12
  And I'm also you can hear me on pendant.
• 4:00:15
  Audio's Henry, the sixth part 2 which is currently going out of
• 4:00:19
  the coming months. We give us an impression place.
• 4:00:22
  An impression of what of whoever you're playing in that.
• 4:00:25
  I play John in the first few episodes.
• 4:00:29
  I think have someone called Simcox in episode, 3 or 4.
• 4:00:32
  I can't remember. The rest of Henry the second
• 4:00:36
  it's not you know is shakes not that different to the show is
• 4:00:39
  you know, they're both both very learning and intelligence
• 4:00:42
  articulate love gravitas well yeah trick and comic at the same
• 4:00:51
  time and Ian where can people find you?
• 4:00:55
  Oh, everywhere. I'm a stranger in space.
• 4:00:58
  I'm half of the electric sword cast and I've also got two
• 4:01:03
  Doctor Who shows all the time in space and we're all stories in
• 4:01:07
  the end, which is about the books.
• 4:01:10
  And can I say one thing to you? Please please do.
• 4:01:12
  I just I'm absolutely addicted to listening to your podcast.
• 4:01:16
  Good. And we're all stories.
• 4:01:18
  Yeah. Like three times.
• 4:01:19
  Now I'm going around again. She'll be good.
• 4:01:22
  Oh, I just fit your marvelous. We're gonna do some more
• 4:01:25
  collaborations as well. I'll wait.
• 4:01:26
  We certainly are Not like that. And can I already done that?
• 4:01:31
  And can I put out a shout out for all in time and space as
• 4:01:34
  well? Which is all.
• 4:01:35
  So I yes I'll add a. Shout out to the delicious Mark
• 4:01:41
  cockram as well. Absolutely.
• 4:01:44
  So thank you both for tonight. Joe next time, we're going to be
• 4:01:49
  doing the seven troughton stories from season 4, which I'm
• 4:01:53
  sure won't be conscious in the slide.
• 4:01:55
  This won't be like this episode, there will be no contentiousness
• 4:01:59
  just to say about you, chop it off those two heart and all
• 4:02:03
  stories. Okay, I'm Fraser Gregory.
• 4:02:08
  Yeah, but, you know, we're looking at stories by doctor so
• 4:02:12
  it's got to be done but yeah, seven trials and stories next
• 4:02:15
  time from season 4 so you love it.
• 4:02:17
  Really nice seasons and half. It's the only way I got my own
• 4:02:23
  back on them. Yeah, but don't tell them.
• 4:02:28
  Until then gentlemen, thank you very much for your time tonight.
• 4:02:30
  Joe, it just leaves us to say, thank you for listening.
• 4:02:34
  And until next time, Keep listening, good night everybody.
• 4:02:41
  Let's get the Pandora's Box. Come on.