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Mom charged with delaying son's medical care after suspicious injury; 10-year-old victim of 'bullycide' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: on Serious x M Triumph Channel one thirty two. A
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Speaker 1: three year old a little boy is dead. His mother
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Speaker 1: is charged with child abuse for not getting him medical
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Speaker 1: attention when he was obviously ill. It was revealed that
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Speaker 1: the mother's boyfriend may soon be facing charges in the
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Speaker 1: boy's death. Surchuarren's detailed the little boy's plate, not eating
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Speaker 1: vomiting in the days leading up to his death. Derek
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Speaker 1: wasn't taken to the hospital until a day after he
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Speaker 1: became gravely ill. By then, it was too late to
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Speaker 1: save his life. When doctors discovered a torn and tested
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Speaker 1: twenty two year old Daisy Martinez looked shell shot to
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Speaker 1: be in a White County courtroom on the heels of
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Speaker 1: her young son's death. Three can't talk. You have to
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Speaker 1: be the guardian of that child. You have to be
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Speaker 1: the advocate for that child and know when your child
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Speaker 1: needs to see somebody for professional medical care. A three
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Speaker 1: year old child is found dead. The stunning part it
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Speaker 1: could have been stopped. And right now the person you
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Speaker 1: would suspect the least has been arrested. I mean, I see, Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to John Lemley Crimes Tooris contributing reporter John,
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Speaker 1: what happened Nancy? Police say that twenty two year old
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Speaker 1: Daisy Martinez could have helped her little boy, Eric, but
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Speaker 1: for some reason, she didn't. She's been charged with felony
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Speaker 1: negligent child abuse, leading to Eric's death this past summer.
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Speaker 1: Now Nancy. At the time, Daisy and her two kids
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Speaker 1: were living with Daisy's boyfriend, Ezekiel Gonzalez, in an extended
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Speaker 1: stay motel in Garner, North Carolina. It's a suburb of Raleigh,
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Speaker 1: the state capitol. On August nine, police say something happened
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Speaker 1: to Eric that caused him to get a tear in
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Speaker 1: his intestine that led to sepsis. By the time he
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Speaker 1: was brought to a hospital, too much time had passed.
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Speaker 1: It was just too late, and Nancy, this is the
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Speaker 1: especially heartbreaking part. He died just one day before his
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Speaker 1: fourth birthday. Actually, will joining me, uh, well known child
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Speaker 1: advocate and lawyer, Ashley Willcott Um. You know John Limley,
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Speaker 1: as he recited the facts as we know them right now,
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Speaker 1: Really it just kind of glossed over the internal injury.
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Speaker 1: Not only were there internal injuries, there were physical symptoms.
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Speaker 1: So the report is that the boyfriend actually sent video
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Speaker 1: to the mother at work showing the child throwing up,
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Speaker 1: clenching the stomach. That happened all the way through the
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Speaker 1: night when the mother was home. So it's not just
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Speaker 1: there was an internal injury, there were physical signs of
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Speaker 1: that injury. To board with the Garner Police Department. Quote,
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Speaker 1: it had to be obvious his child had some kind
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Speaker 1: of internal injury and the parents should have known. The
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Speaker 1: mother should have own that the child needed emergency care.
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Speaker 1: It's so clear to me. Joe Scott Morgan, Forensics Expert,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Joe Scott, this is heinous.
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Speaker 1: This is torture what this little four year old boy
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Speaker 1: lived through before he finally mercifully died. Yeah, Nancy, Uh,
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Speaker 1: the tragedy of all of this is that it could
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Speaker 1: have been prevented. Uh. Let me tell you something. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Ruptured intestines do not occur spontaneously. This is something in
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Speaker 1: my experience that's generally associated with blunt force trauma. That
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Speaker 1: means a blow to the abdomen that rips through the
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Speaker 1: intestine wall. It's a very painful, slow death. And his
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Speaker 1: his immediate cause of death was listed as sept to
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Speaker 1: seem in just so that people understand at home, except
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Speaker 1: to seem is a horrible way to die. Nancy. You
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Speaker 1: have severe nausea, UM, you have dizziness, uh, disorientation, and
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Speaker 1: and most of all, you have a raging fever that
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Speaker 1: just goes throughout the entire body. The body is screaming out, uh,
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Speaker 1: that it's infected, and the child is not being rendered
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Speaker 1: any kind of assistance whatsoever. To Karen's talk Psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: me out of New York, Karen William, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: understand how the mother was neglectful in this case, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering what she was afraid of, why
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Speaker 1: she wouldn't take him for help, because he was obviously suffering,
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Speaker 1: and I'm suspecting that something was going on that made
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Speaker 1: her resist taking him for help. Well, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: are you suggesting that she was afraid of what the
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Speaker 1: boyfriend would do to her, or she was afraid she
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Speaker 1: would be arrested. I think she was afraid that she
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Speaker 1: would be arrested, that something was going on there that
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Speaker 1: she needed to keep secret. Well, let me tell you
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Speaker 1: this much. If you're afraid of your boyfriend and your
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Speaker 1: husband or your spouse, that's the one thing. But to
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Speaker 1: stand by and let your child die, that's the whole
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Speaker 1: another thing. And back to what Joseph Scott Morgan was saying,
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Speaker 1: this was not an illness, This was not uh that
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Speaker 1: they didn't know how high his fever was, didn't realize
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Speaker 1: he had step to seemia. No, he was suffering from
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Speaker 1: horrible internal injury, horrible issues. And what were they Joseph, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about here is this, uh, this tear
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Speaker 1: in the intestine, and the intestine is rather resilient. But
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Speaker 1: just to keep in mind that our intestines carry very
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Speaker 1: very nasty little bugs and once they get out, once
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Speaker 1: they get out of that contained area, all kinds of
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Speaker 1: problems can arise. And one more important thing here that
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Speaker 1: that really gives us an idea of neglect in the
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Speaker 1: warrant uh that was put out. One of the things
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Speaker 1: that they alluded to was that this poor little angel
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Speaker 1: was throwing up coffee ground like material. All that means
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Speaker 1: that it's dark, it's granular. Let me tell you what
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Speaker 1: this was. This was semi gelaginous blood that this child
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Speaker 1: was throwing up. Nancy, as a result of this event,
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Speaker 1: it's just absolutely horrible. Well, I gotta tell you, sadly,
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Speaker 1: I knew exactly what you were going to say from
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Speaker 1: having seen it so many times. It comes from internal
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Speaker 1: bleeding and then the blood in your stomach starts to
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Speaker 1: coagulate like it would when you have a cut on
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Speaker 1: your skin. And the little boy was bleeding so much
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Speaker 1: internally that it was coagulating in his stomach and he
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Speaker 1: would start throwing it up. Now, I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to the facts. To John Limley Crime Stories investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter John Uh, the boyfriend sent the mother video of
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Speaker 1: the little boy just vomiting up coagulated jellofied blood. Why
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Speaker 1: why did he do that? This is not quite understood
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Speaker 1: just yet. The approve of investigators are still trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out why the video was even made in the
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Speaker 1: first place, let alone sent to the mother. The search
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Speaker 1: warrants detailed the little boy's plight. Uh he was not eating,
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Speaker 1: vomiting in the days leading up to his death, and
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Speaker 1: finally his jaw locked up and he became unresponsive. At
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Speaker 1: this point, his mother finally took him to the hospital,
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Speaker 1: but it was just too late. As for why charges
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Speaker 1: have just now been brought in this case, police say
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Speaker 1: their aim from the very beginning has been to practice
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Speaker 1: due diligence, that they've been conducting a thorough investigation for
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Speaker 1: over three months now about these injuries that resulted in
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Speaker 1: the death of a child. Their goal, police say, is
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Speaker 1: to provide solid justice for little Eric, and that they
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Speaker 1: want to be confident about every element in their case.
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Speaker 1: You might be able to help me on this, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: psychologist to New York. The officials at Wake matt Hospital
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Speaker 1: and Garner immediately called police after his parents bring him
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Speaker 1: there the night uh that they finally finally bring him
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Speaker 1: to the e er. They knew immediately police should be called,
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Speaker 1: explained Karen why they had to call police because no,
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Speaker 1: and it was it was a clear case of neglect, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Somebody should have brought him to that hospital right away,
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Speaker 1: and so they understood that there was something going on
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Speaker 1: there that needed to be investigated. That's when police are
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Speaker 1: called when there's negligence, when there's abuse. I'm taking a
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Speaker 1: look at all of the documents right now. I want
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Speaker 1: to go back to something. Ashley Wilcott, child advocate. The
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Speaker 1: boyfriend sends this video to the mother and it's of
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Speaker 1: the little boy vomiting, vomiting, vomiting a blood. Do you think, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: he's asking her, do you want me to take him
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Speaker 1: to the hospital? Look what's happening. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: to do or was there a more uh nefarious intent
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Speaker 1: of sending that video? Like look what I did? I
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Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that. We don't know the answer.
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Speaker 1: But the cynic in me says more nefarious. I do
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Speaker 1: not believe that it was a oh wow, look at him?
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Speaker 1: Should I call the doctor? Any person would know, whether
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Speaker 1: you're a boyfriend, a mother, a friend, or a stranger,
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Speaker 1: any person would know when a child's that's sick, you
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Speaker 1: go to the doctor. So I don't think it was
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Speaker 1: an innocent Oh look, he's sick. Should I go to
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Speaker 1: the doctor? I think there's something more nefarious because the
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Speaker 1: other thing, factually, we know there was a domestic assault
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Speaker 1: call to this particular home as well, so there's some
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Speaker 1: other situations going on in this home. Well, frankly, I
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Speaker 1: don't care what's going on between the two of them.
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Speaker 1: I'm worried about the little boy who is now dead. Okay,
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Speaker 1: now here's another thing. What about this? Actually? Will gott
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Speaker 1: digest this and intre print She's charged, not him? Now?
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Speaker 1: That suggests to me he was sending the video going
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Speaker 1: what should I take him to the hospital. I don't
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Speaker 1: get it. I honestly, just reviewing all the facts in
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Speaker 1: this case as we know them at this point in time,
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Speaker 1: I honestly cannot imagine or understand why the boyfriend has
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Speaker 1: not been charged because again, he was there too. You know,
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Speaker 1: maybe Nancy in the best flight, maybe he was saying,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, your son sick. This is terrible. We
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Speaker 1: need to go to the doctor. I'm just suspicious. I
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Speaker 1: don't buy it. I don't buy. What I don't buy
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Speaker 1: is the fact that the injuries were there so long.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator that stept to
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Speaker 1: see me a set in. Now, what that is is
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Speaker 1: um blood poisoning, and a lot of times people get
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Speaker 1: it in the hospital. You get it when you have
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Speaker 1: an injury or an infection, and an infection gets in
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Speaker 1: and it takes over your whole body and it kills
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Speaker 1: you pretty quickly. Joe Scott does what's really what's really
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Speaker 1: tragic about this? For me, as as someone that's that's
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Speaker 1: been involved in forensic science, I know this area well
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Speaker 1: where they are there there within a very short distance
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Speaker 1: of some of the finest medical treatment in the nation, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and they couldn't find it within themselves, uh to reach
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Speaker 1: out and try to help this child. This could have
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Speaker 1: been stemmed from the beginning when a child sustains If
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Speaker 1: this is what happened sustains blunt force trauma to the abdomen.
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Speaker 1: This is something that needs to be looked at in
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Speaker 1: the immediate. It really makes me think what else is
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Speaker 1: going on, what else is going on with other little
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Speaker 1: ones that might be under their care, and what is
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Speaker 1: it that is stopping this man from asking for help
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Speaker 1: that he has to send a video of this poor
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Speaker 1: child suffering to the mother who is at work. Did
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Speaker 1: she do something? Did she do something? Did she perpetrate something?
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Speaker 1: I think that's a big question going forward. Had she
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Speaker 1: told him do not call anybody? And that's something that's
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Speaker 1: gonna be found out, hopefully very soon. Well, we know
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Speaker 1: that the injury the autopsy revealed was trauma caused by
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Speaker 1: force to his abdomen to the extent he tore his intestine,
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Speaker 1: resulting in a fatal infection. So something hit him or
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Speaker 1: force so strong and actually tore his intestine. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcote, can you imagine the pain? I mean, okay,
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Speaker 1: don't laugh, Ashley, Okay, because you know my daughter. This
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Speaker 1: was about two years ago. She don't start laughing you either.
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Speaker 1: Jackie just turned around. She got a splinter and she
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Speaker 1: was having a fit, and when she would see me
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Speaker 1: come toward her with a needle or the tweezers, she
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Speaker 1: would go berserk. Okay, So finally it's a planter, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: a splinter. I drove to three med firsts until I
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Speaker 1: could get her in there so a nurse could remove it.
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Speaker 1: And what did she do? She just plugged it out
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Speaker 1: with tweezers. But it killed me to see Lucy crying
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Speaker 1: and talking about all the pain and her fingers. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I knew it as a splinter, okay, but still seeing
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Speaker 1: her like that, I'm like, Okay, get in the car.
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Speaker 1: We're going to the doctor right now. I could you know,
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Speaker 1: I could not stand it. This child went, I know,
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Speaker 1: for an entire day, overnight through the next day, in
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Speaker 1: this pain of a torn intestine. I can't imagine either.
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Speaker 1: They tortured this child by allowing the child to be
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Speaker 1: in that kind of pain, and in conjunction with the
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Speaker 1: amount of pain you know, the child was in. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like you, I see my child crying, what do
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Speaker 1: you do to fix it? You don't let it go
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Speaker 1: and go? They tort or this child. But in addition
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Speaker 1: to that, I cannot imagine the amount of force this
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Speaker 1: child had to incur to even have the torn and
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Speaker 1: testine in the first place, So it's it's worse on
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Speaker 1: top of worse. Well, another thing that factors into it,
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Speaker 1: And I want to ask you about this, John Linley,
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories contributing investigative reporter, is that text messages on
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Speaker 1: the mom and the boyfriend's phone show they were arguing
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Speaker 1: via text while all this was happening. Were they arguing
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Speaker 1: about the boy? I don't know, but I know that
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Speaker 1: just adds on to it. They're so busy in their argument.
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Speaker 1: The boy is dying, the baby is dying. John. Is
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Speaker 1: it true they were having this text argument? It appears
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Speaker 1: to be so. Investigators have a lot of questions about
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Speaker 1: these text messages. Uh, in addition to actually what happened
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Speaker 1: to cause these injuries in the first place. Neighbors in
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Speaker 1: the the Extended Stay hotel where the people were staying, uh, Daisy,
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend, and the two boys UM. One resident in
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Speaker 1: the hotel where the child lived with these uh, these three,
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Speaker 1: these four actually Um stated that he often see the
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Speaker 1: boys crying. One time, this particular neighbor even asked the
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Speaker 1: boys if they were okay, and they became even more
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Speaker 1: upset by that simple question. Yeah, the neighbor says, every
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Speaker 1: time I came downstairs, like on my way to work,
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Speaker 1: the children are always crying, and I was always wondering
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Speaker 1: what's wrong. I asked the little boys, are you okay?
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Speaker 1: And they just burst out into tears. Okay. When you
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Speaker 1: hear the story like I do, it breaks my heart
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Speaker 1: so much that I don't know what to do. I
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Speaker 1: know I can't fix this, but what I can do
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Speaker 1: is report on it. What I can do is urge
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Speaker 1: everyone hearing this story. If you suspect a child is
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Speaker 1: being hurt or being neglected, please call authorities. If you're wrong,
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Speaker 1: you're wrong, but you're right to try. When I think
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Speaker 1: of these two little boys crying every time the neighbors
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Speaker 1: saw them, and now this one little angel is dead,
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Speaker 1: a car accident. Uh no, he didn't have an illness.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, he suffered at home, horrible, horrible pain from
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Speaker 1: ripped intestines. Mommy's living boyfriend actually sent Mommy a video
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Speaker 1: of the child vomiting up congealed blood. Why in the
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Speaker 1: child neglect and joining me right now a very special
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Speaker 1: guest who was taking time out of the investigation to
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Speaker 1: join us. It is Captain Joe Bens from the Garner
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Speaker 1: p D. Captain, thank you so much for being with us,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You know, Captain, I know
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Speaker 1: you can't reveal everything to us as of right now.
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Speaker 1: She's charged with felony child neglect. I of course you
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Speaker 1: know me, Captain, I think she should have been charged
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Speaker 1: with homicide. But let me ask you how this whole
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Speaker 1: investigation unfolded for your team? What happened? Sure, we got
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Speaker 1: called to a local hospital here in Garner, North Alanna. UM.
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Speaker 1: The doctors were seeing or or working on this child
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Speaker 1: and they gave us a call. The child came into
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Speaker 1: the hospital, he was unconscious, he was not responsive, UM
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Speaker 1: and so the the hospital staff contacted us and we
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Speaker 1: responded out to the hospital. The Garner Police Department said,
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Speaker 1: this boy, this sweet child, died of internal injuries and
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Speaker 1: its twenty two year old mother is accused of not
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Speaker 1: getting him medical treatment in a timely manner. Captain, how
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Speaker 1: long does your team think this boy suffered before he died?
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Speaker 1: At this point, we really don't know. And that's that's
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Speaker 1: one of the heartbreaking things is is that we're still
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Speaker 1: trying to determine how long, how long does child suffered,
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Speaker 1: We're trying to determine how how this actually occurred. We're
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, um who may be responsible for
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Speaker 1: the actual injury itself. So there's just a lot of
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Speaker 1: pieces we still haven't put together yet and we're still
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Speaker 1: working on that, UM. But certainly the child should us
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Speaker 1: receive some medical care much more promptly, UM, and we
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Speaker 1: could we have a totally different conversation if you well,
22:25
Speaker 1: I know that he cried all through the night, suffering.
22:30
Speaker 1: The next day mom goes to work, he's still suffering.
22:33
Speaker 1: She comes home and tries to feed him some grapes,
22:36
Speaker 1: and that's when they realized his jaws had locked. Now,
22:41
Speaker 1: I'm just a j D. I'm not an m D.
22:44
Speaker 1: But when your jaws lock, that is bad. And because
22:48
Speaker 1: of the internal injuries, they had been there at least
22:53
Speaker 1: long enough for infection to set in. Now with the
22:57
Speaker 1: body that that could be very quickly set This moves
23:00
Speaker 1: very quickly. I'm thinking, uh, captain with me, everybody, Captain
23:06
Speaker 1: Joe Bin's I know the mom is charged right now.
23:10
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that injury forensically and had to be
23:13
Speaker 1: a very powerful blow to the boy's abdomen to rip
23:18
Speaker 1: his intestines. And you typically think a man did it,
23:23
Speaker 1: But what if he were kicked by a grown woman
23:28
Speaker 1: That could result in the same thing. I mean, how
23:30
Speaker 1: can you isolate who did what? Of course, this is
23:34
Speaker 1: not a natural injury. That's what we're trying to do
23:37
Speaker 1: is kind of narrow down a time frame for one
23:39
Speaker 1: to ocur. So that'll helpe us, help us identify who
23:42
Speaker 1: was with the child potentially when this injury occurred, and
23:45
Speaker 1: that will help us staring down to who we should
23:48
Speaker 1: focus on as far as injury itself. Is it true
23:52
Speaker 1: what we have read that the boyfriend to live in
23:57
Speaker 1: sent the mom a video of the little boy coughing
24:01
Speaker 1: up congealed blood. That's great, there there's some evidence that
24:04
Speaker 1: we received. Again this that goes to the whole point
24:08
Speaker 1: of when you have this a symptom, you have the
24:11
Speaker 1: symptoms you've described just a while ago, any parent should
24:14
Speaker 1: know that child needs immediate medical care. And that's why
24:18
Speaker 1: this child, uh was you said before? He suffered And
24:22
Speaker 1: so that's why this parent was charged. And again our
24:25
Speaker 1: job now from this point for it is to find
24:27
Speaker 1: out how that actually occurred, when it occurred, and narrowed
24:31
Speaker 1: down to potentially who might have been the one that
24:34
Speaker 1: caused it. Well, you know where I stand, Captain, because
24:38
Speaker 1: if if he is not a person of interest, he
24:41
Speaker 1: is not a suspect. If the boyfriend did this thing.
24:46
Speaker 1: If he did and the mom let it happen. Then
24:49
Speaker 1: she's just in the same pot as him. If the
24:53
Speaker 1: mother did it and to live in boyfriend stood by
24:56
Speaker 1: and did not take him to the doctor, they should
25:00
Speaker 1: both phase trial on these charges. But what is really disturbing,
25:05
Speaker 1: and you brought this up, captain, is the time period,
25:09
Speaker 1: all right, letting that standing there, letting the child be
25:14
Speaker 1: in a fetal position, in pain, vomiting up congealed blood.
25:19
Speaker 1: When you're vomiting up blood, you're in trouble, Captain. You
25:23
Speaker 1: are in and deadly, deadly circumstances. And they did nothing.
25:30
Speaker 1: They did nothing, Captain, that's great. Yeah, And then again
25:33
Speaker 1: that's what makes this such an unfortunate insn't because if
25:35
Speaker 1: if that child received timely care, we don't Again, we
25:39
Speaker 1: don't know if you're having the same conversation or not.
25:41
Speaker 1: Of course we can't predict that, but we just don't.
25:43
Speaker 1: We don't know what kind of conversation would we have.
25:45
Speaker 1: So this this child did stuff with this child, uh
25:48
Speaker 1: did have an injury that should have been cared for
25:50
Speaker 1: or taken to see professional medical assistance long before he
25:54
Speaker 1: was um. And again it's up to the d A.
25:57
Speaker 1: You're going back to your statement about charges. Um, we
26:00
Speaker 1: we just try. Our job is to put the piece together,
26:02
Speaker 1: to put that timeline together when things happened, to put
26:05
Speaker 1: timelines together for or how it happened. You know, was
26:08
Speaker 1: it a kick? Was it was it something just uh,
26:11
Speaker 1: something totally different. So we we just don't know right now.
26:14
Speaker 1: And I think once we get those answers, then we'll
26:16
Speaker 1: of course bring the appropriate charges that we feel or
26:19
Speaker 1: at least recommend appropriate charges to our disc attorney that
26:22
Speaker 1: we feel is appropriate for that case. So your job,
26:24
Speaker 1: of course is to put together all the pieces, collect
26:27
Speaker 1: all the evidence. I assume the scene has been processed.
26:31
Speaker 1: Another issue is this child had siblings and one thing
26:35
Speaker 1: I hate to do Captain has put a little child
26:38
Speaker 1: up on the stand. But I'll do it. I will
26:41
Speaker 1: absolutely do it because what matters is seeking the truth,
26:47
Speaker 1: and it's hard. You you've got to get a child psychologist.
26:51
Speaker 1: You've got to have somebody that knows how to talk
26:54
Speaker 1: to children that may not be able to verbalize what
26:58
Speaker 1: they saw. You gotta go to to neighbors. You got
27:01
Speaker 1: to hear what they said when they heard what they saw.
27:04
Speaker 1: I mean, this doesn't just happen overnight. This takes time.
27:09
Speaker 1: To put a case like this together when you've got
27:11
Speaker 1: a victim that could not really speak for themselves and
27:15
Speaker 1: you're trying to deduce what happened. Is that right? That's great,
27:19
Speaker 1: and that's that's the biggest and hardest part of dealing
27:21
Speaker 1: with a child victim, UM, particularly the age that they're
27:25
Speaker 1: at least, you know, they get a couple of years older,
27:27
Speaker 1: you can they can tell you what happened. At least
27:28
Speaker 1: you can maybe to coax them into telling you what happened. However,
27:32
Speaker 1: this child is only three years old, almost four. His
27:35
Speaker 1: younger sibling was was two almost three or somewhere around
27:39
Speaker 1: and there. So there again, it's just not a whole
27:43
Speaker 1: lot of people speaking up to saying, hey, this is
27:46
Speaker 1: what happened to this child. And um, so we have
27:48
Speaker 1: two friendsly go on the evidence. We have to identify
27:51
Speaker 1: other potential witnesses that might have seen this child, so
27:54
Speaker 1: we can put together timelines, put together potential uh causes
27:58
Speaker 1: uh for the cat to UM. I mean I got
28:01
Speaker 1: into the law business or the business of crime when
28:07
Speaker 1: I became a crime victim myself and my fiancee was
28:10
Speaker 1: murdered many many years ago, and that really affected the
28:16
Speaker 1: rest of my life. I mean, it was over twenty
28:18
Speaker 1: years before I could even consider marrying somebody else, you know,
28:24
Speaker 1: And then I had waited so long I nearly died
28:27
Speaker 1: in childbirth because you know, it was giving birth so
28:30
Speaker 1: late in life. I mean, crimes like this affect people
28:34
Speaker 1: in ways you never you never can you can't see
28:38
Speaker 1: it at the time, how it's going to affect your life.
28:43
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about that little brother, I'm thinking about
28:47
Speaker 1: that child, um, and how in the world you're gonna
28:51
Speaker 1: put this case together, Captain. When you see things like
28:54
Speaker 1: this and you look at this woman, this mother, she's
28:59
Speaker 1: very beauty, a full you know, physically, she's very attractive
29:02
Speaker 1: in the picture I see over, it's so hard for
29:05
Speaker 1: me to take in someone could be so cruel and
29:10
Speaker 1: to their own child. I mean, how do you keep
29:14
Speaker 1: reporting to work every day? How do you do it?
29:18
Speaker 1: We do it because, um, because of the victims. You know,
29:22
Speaker 1: we do it because those victims are there that somebody
29:25
Speaker 1: has to be an advocate for those victims. Somebody has
29:28
Speaker 1: to be prepared to stand up and say, hey, we're
29:31
Speaker 1: going to protect you, or we're gonna help you, or
29:33
Speaker 1: we're gonna get justice for you. And then you know
29:35
Speaker 1: that's why you do it. You know, I know you're
29:37
Speaker 1: gonna laugh, Captain, But in my personal life, I very
29:40
Speaker 1: rarely get angry. It takes a lot to get me angry.
29:43
Speaker 1: And my real life, I don't even like conflict. I'm
29:47
Speaker 1: such a push over with my two children. That's why
29:49
Speaker 1: I've got two cats, two dogs, and two guinea pigs
29:52
Speaker 1: living here. But Captain, when I hear what happens to
29:59
Speaker 1: other people, it just breaks my heart. It just breaks
30:03
Speaker 1: my heart. And the other thing is if you don't
30:07
Speaker 1: take a stand in court, and you don't take a
30:10
Speaker 1: stand in your line of work, that just means the
30:13
Speaker 1: purp goes free to hurt another person. You know, it
30:18
Speaker 1: doesn't end with this one child or this one victim.
30:21
Speaker 1: What about the other little child living in that home? Well,
30:24
Speaker 1: thank goodness that child has been removed from the home.
30:26
Speaker 1: When that child has been uh is with some other
30:30
Speaker 1: family that's going to take care of them. Um and
30:32
Speaker 1: from our Child Create services. So again, UM we do it,
30:36
Speaker 1: and UM we we take like I said before, we
30:39
Speaker 1: we we go into work. We do what we can.
30:41
Speaker 1: We make sure the victims have a voice, make sure
30:44
Speaker 1: the victims are are received some justice for what occurred. Um,
30:49
Speaker 1: And that's why you keep going. So you keep doing that,
30:51
Speaker 1: keep doing that. Well, let me ask you this, Captain,
30:54
Speaker 1: now that I've got you, captain, does it ever bother
30:57
Speaker 1: you when you leave work? Because you know, I've thought
31:01
Speaker 1: about this little boy so much. It just gives me
31:03
Speaker 1: so upset. I can hardly stand thinking about what he
31:06
Speaker 1: lived through every day coming home. The neighbors said that
31:10
Speaker 1: these two little boys cried all the time, right in
31:14
Speaker 1: front of the neighbors. I have never once seen my
31:16
Speaker 1: children break out in tears when neighbors approached them. These
31:22
Speaker 1: children would just break out crying when the neighbors would
31:26
Speaker 1: approach them. They were so beside themselves, living in fear,
31:32
Speaker 1: living in danger. I mean, does this how do you
31:36
Speaker 1: internalize this? To you worry about it at night? Does
31:39
Speaker 1: that make you work over time? Do you dream about it?
31:41
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you deal with seeing this every day?
31:44
Speaker 1: The biggest way is you have to be able to
31:46
Speaker 1: talk about it um with with other people that are
31:49
Speaker 1: going through the same thing. So we we do that
31:51
Speaker 1: a lot. Um and police work in general because we
31:53
Speaker 1: do see that side of society that a lot of
31:55
Speaker 1: people don't see. And we see it routinely. Um So
31:58
Speaker 1: I have a great wife at home and two wonderful kids,
32:01
Speaker 1: and were you go home and you you you be
32:05
Speaker 1: in their moment, you know. And that's something that I'm
32:08
Speaker 1: glad you said that, Captain, because that really changed my
32:12
Speaker 1: life when I had the twins. That allowed me to
32:16
Speaker 1: force myself too, just for those moments that I'm with them,
32:21
Speaker 1: to give them the happiest mother I can be and
32:26
Speaker 1: the most uplifting mother, And it makes me not think
32:29
Speaker 1: about crime for just those hours. You know, Captain, just
32:33
Speaker 1: hearing your voice and hearing you talk about this case
32:36
Speaker 1: makes me know that it is going to be handled
32:40
Speaker 1: with the utmost importance because this child will not have
32:45
Speaker 1: died in vain. And I want to thank you captain
32:47
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32:49
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35:06
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35:09
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35:13
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35:15
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35:17
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35:22
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35:25
Speaker 1: little girl has been taken off life support two weeks
35:31
Speaker 1: after she hangs herself because the classmate posted a video
35:37
Speaker 1: of her being bullied on social media. Ten years old,
35:43
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty months on this beautiful earth, and
35:48
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35:52
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35:55
Speaker 1: but I just don't think I can get through them. John,
35:58
Speaker 1: what happened? It's tragic to say the very least. A
36:01
Speaker 1: Shaunty Davis died at Children's Hospital in Aurora, Colorado. This
36:07
Speaker 1: is just east of Denver. Police received a nine one
36:12
Speaker 1: one call about ten pm on November six from a
36:17
Speaker 1: home in the East Oxford Drive neighborhood on a report
36:22
Speaker 1: of a child who was not breathing. The child, Shaunty
36:26
Speaker 1: Davis we now know her name, was taken to the
36:29
Speaker 1: Aurora Medical Center, then transferred to Children's Hospital. Police are
36:35
Speaker 1: investigating the death as a suicide hanging. The girl was
36:40
Speaker 1: a fifth grader at Sunrise Elementary School in the Charity
36:44
Speaker 1: School School district. Should have some response to this, because
36:49
Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, you're our child advocate. This little girl I've
36:53
Speaker 1: been being bullied at school and of course the school
36:56
Speaker 1: says we don't tolerate bullying. But I can tell you, Ashley,
37:00
Speaker 1: even these fancy private schools, they know bullying is happening
37:05
Speaker 1: and they don't do anything about it. This little girl
37:08
Speaker 1: not only was bullied, she said something to her bully
37:13
Speaker 1: and she got a SmackDown at school and it was
37:16
Speaker 1: on video and then apparently the bullies uploaded it onto
37:20
Speaker 1: something called musical dot l y and she was devastated
37:26
Speaker 1: that her SmackDown was now on social media and everybody
37:31
Speaker 1: was watching it, Ashley. And here's the worst part. The
37:34
Speaker 1: school actually says they don't tolerate bullying. And they say, oh, well,
37:39
Speaker 1: that video wasn't made on school property, as if that
37:43
Speaker 1: exonerates any knowledge of bullying. Oh, that didn't happen on
37:47
Speaker 1: school property, But we all know the bullying that led
37:49
Speaker 1: up to her taking that final straw and confronting it
37:53
Speaker 1: did happen on school property. So so many different people
37:56
Speaker 1: failed this child. And Nancy, I rudely interrupted you earlier
37:59
Speaker 1: just to say this. Look at her picture and how
38:02
Speaker 1: innocent she looks, just as innocent and sweet and wonderful
38:06
Speaker 1: as her own kids look. So and she's ten. A
38:10
Speaker 1: ten year old shouldn't even know what it means to
38:12
Speaker 1: commit suicide, much less do it because of what's happened
38:15
Speaker 1: to him at school. For those of you just joining us,
38:17
Speaker 1: a tenure roll. Little Colorado girl has died two weeks
38:22
Speaker 1: after she hangs herself because the video of her being
38:26
Speaker 1: bullied was posted on social media. Her parents devastated, just
38:34
Speaker 1: got Morgan. How would a child even know how to
38:37
Speaker 1: do this? That's that's hard that's hard to say. I
38:40
Speaker 1: was just contemplating that myself, Nancy, thinking about how does
38:43
Speaker 1: a ten year old know to take take some kind
38:45
Speaker 1: of ligature and suspend themselves in a closet, because apparently
38:49
Speaker 1: that's where she was found, in the closet of her home.
38:51
Speaker 1: I'm sure that she was not breathing or had agonal respirations,
38:55
Speaker 1: which just means minimal respirations at best. The medical team
38:59
Speaker 1: was called, it took at the hospital, and obviously she
39:02
Speaker 1: was already past the point of saving at that point. Tom,
39:06
Speaker 1: It's just a hopeless situation where I'm sure the child
39:09
Speaker 1: had very little brain activity when they brought her into too.
39:12
Speaker 1: Then Stark psychologists are joining us out of New York, Karen.
39:17
Speaker 1: The mom knew she was afraid. The mom knew the
39:21
Speaker 1: little girl was afraid. But I have seen cases, Karen,
39:25
Speaker 1: where parents go to the school, go to the school,
39:29
Speaker 1: go to the school saying this happened, this happened, this happened,
39:33
Speaker 1: and the school says, oh, we haven't heard anything about it.
39:36
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that happens, Karen, Stark. It
39:39
Speaker 1: happens because the school is most concerned with not getting
39:45
Speaker 1: the publicity, not getting sued looking good as in this
39:49
Speaker 1: case where the school went out of their way to say, well,
39:52
Speaker 1: this didn't happen on school property, instead of addressing the
39:56
Speaker 1: fact that bullying is a very very seriou is offense,
40:01
Speaker 1: that it happens, and that this kind of outcome does exist.
40:06
Speaker 1: And because of the Internet and the media, children know,
40:10
Speaker 1: they understand that you can kill yourself. They understand that
40:15
Speaker 1: they could do something as awful as it may seem.
40:18
Speaker 1: And so parents really need to be careful and pay
40:23
Speaker 1: attention when they hear about any kind of bullying and
40:27
Speaker 1: insist that the school do something. Well, the parents are
40:30
Speaker 1: now saying the school did not do enough, did not
40:33
Speaker 1: do enough to stop the bullying. It's now being called
40:37
Speaker 1: bully side, which is a funny name, I know, but
40:42
Speaker 1: it really grasps the whole concept. Ashley Willcott, because we're
40:45
Speaker 1: hearing about it more and more and more. Ashley, Yeah,
40:49
Speaker 1: it's a very common, regrettable thing that we hear about
40:52
Speaker 1: in the news. And you know, there was all the
40:54
Speaker 1: discussion about the Netflix show Thirteen Reasons Why, and some
40:58
Speaker 1: argued that all that was was giving the kids the
41:01
Speaker 1: idea if they were bullied, to commit suicide and then
41:04
Speaker 1: some argue the opposite, which is it educates people community
41:08
Speaker 1: parents about the fact, like we just heard kids know
41:12
Speaker 1: what it is to commit suicide. Now now they know
41:15
Speaker 1: how to do it, and so we have to be
41:17
Speaker 1: even more diligent to educate them about. Oh my god,
41:21
Speaker 1: if you are having troubles, being bullied, feeling bad about yourself,
41:25
Speaker 1: seek someone out, don't commit to these horrible acts of suicide.
41:29
Speaker 1: We've all got to be diligent. What she's talking about.
41:31
Speaker 1: It's called Thirteen Reasons Why, and it is a Netflix show. Um,
41:36
Speaker 1: it's theatrical, but I believe it's based on a real
41:40
Speaker 1: story where a girl kills herself. A young girl kills
41:45
Speaker 1: herself as a result of bullying. It's very popular and
41:50
Speaker 1: now they say it's a fictional story of a teen
41:53
Speaker 1: girl who leaves behind thirteen audio recordings after she kills
41:59
Speaker 1: her self, and to my understanding of the show, it
42:04
Speaker 1: calls out. Each audio calls out somebody that bullied her,
42:09
Speaker 1: and in her death, she becomes popular at school. The
42:14
Speaker 1: bullies examine themselves and they quote see the light and
42:19
Speaker 1: they change their ways. Many argue this Thirteen Reasons Why
42:25
Speaker 1: Netflix show is encouraging young people to kill themselves. They
42:31
Speaker 1: don't understand it's forever and popular post mortem. It's not
42:38
Speaker 1: quite the same as fame in life. I mean, Joseph's caught, Morgan,
42:43
Speaker 1: You've got a young boy? Do you know about this
42:45
Speaker 1: thirteen Reasons Why? Only peripherally? And I've never watched it,
42:49
Speaker 1: but I can see and this is this is the
42:51
Speaker 1: danger with social media, I think, and media in general,
42:55
Speaker 1: where things are glorified like this, and it's it's a surreality,
42:59
Speaker 1: as I like to referred to it, and it's a
43:01
Speaker 1: reality that is unattainable for a lot of these kids.
43:05
Speaker 1: It seems as though, and this is certainly outside of
43:07
Speaker 1: my area, but it seems as though many of these
43:09
Speaker 1: kids are incapable at these young ages of separating fiction
43:14
Speaker 1: from reality, or the fiction that is the media world,
43:18
Speaker 1: from what true reality is. And it's it's a very
43:21
Speaker 1: very dangerous, dangerous situation. Lastly, Wilcott, what about this website,
43:27
Speaker 1: musical dot l y that allowed this to be there?
43:31
Speaker 1: I mean, other websites are very loosely monitored, but they
43:34
Speaker 1: allowed this video of a little girl being bullied to
43:37
Speaker 1: to stay online. And this is what's terrible. So musically,
43:40
Speaker 1: as the kids tend to call it, at least the
43:42
Speaker 1: little the fourth graders that I know call it. Musically
43:45
Speaker 1: is very popular with that age, and it's about making
43:49
Speaker 1: a video to music, and a lot of it's cute, right,
43:51
Speaker 1: Like little girls are little boys dancing and singing songs
43:54
Speaker 1: and it's a very cute. So a a lot of
43:57
Speaker 1: kids are attracted to that particular website and we'll see
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Speaker 1: this terrible video and be Musically is not the place
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Speaker 1: for that kind of video. And I don't know how
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Speaker 1: it stayed on. I don't know how that wasn't monitored
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Speaker 1: right the heck off. The other thing I have to say, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is I really need to clarify something that I misstated.
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Speaker 1: The school apparently actually said that the video did not
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Speaker 1: take place during school hours. They never said it didn't
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Speaker 1: occur on the property, but they made clear, Hey, this
44:26
Speaker 1: didn't happen during school hours. That still doesn't excuse how
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Speaker 1: bullying is handled, but I did want to clarify that factually.
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Speaker 1: And I thought it was outside, like in the playground
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Speaker 1: of the parking lot. But another issue is the message
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Speaker 1: that sends about standing up to your bullies, which is
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Speaker 1: what most of us tell our children to do. But
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Speaker 1: not only that the mom knew the little girl was afraid.
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Speaker 1: She was afraid to go to school, she was afraid
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Speaker 1: of bullying. I mean, John Limley Crime Stories contributing porter
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Speaker 1: is am I right on. That didn't the mom say
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Speaker 1: she knew Ash was afraid? Yes, indeed. And what's so
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Speaker 1: ironic about this is this was not a child that
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Speaker 1: was ordinarily afraid or or depressed. Shaunty's parents describe her
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Speaker 1: as bright and vibrant. The little girl wanted to be
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Speaker 1: a w n B A star. However, towards the end
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Speaker 1: of October, that little happy girl disappeared. In the video
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Speaker 1: of the fight, uh, Ashaunty can be seen wearing pink
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Speaker 1: fighting with another girl. And what's amazing is this was
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Speaker 1: her very first fight ever. And this whole episode was
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Speaker 1: drawn out over the course of by the time of
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Speaker 1: her death four weeks because uh, you know, the bullying
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Speaker 1: took place, then the fight, then the video, and then
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Speaker 1: of course two weeks later she hangs her self, and
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Speaker 1: then two weeks later she's taken off life support. Just
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Speaker 1: a horrible drawn out story here, Nancy. If I could
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Speaker 1: interject just one more thing that that was just that
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Speaker 1: striking to me about this thing. You know, when when
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Speaker 1: we were all kids, we we had a small little
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Speaker 1: sphere that we dealt with. I know that I did
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Speaker 1: at least, and the opinions of that group, you know,
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Speaker 1: they kind of changed the course of our life in
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Speaker 1: many cases. But now just imagine this ten year old girl.
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Speaker 1: One thing that she is truly oriented to that we
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Speaker 1: might not be is that she understands, or understood maybe
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Speaker 1: in some small way, that this thing that happened in
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Speaker 1: her life wasn't just with her small little group of friends.
46:44
Speaker 1: She starts, she she has a stark reality that this
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Speaker 1: whole episode has played out potentially between you know, before
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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people that get onto this website.
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Speaker 1: How harsh of a reality is that for this little
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Speaker 1: this little baby that hasn't had in exposure to the
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Speaker 1: real world except through media, and now this is in
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Speaker 1: her face. It's it's she's faced with the reality of this.
47:07
Speaker 1: It just seems very, very hopeless. And then compound this
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Speaker 1: more bullying as other kids tease her about the video,
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Speaker 1: which you know, they can all seem musically and they
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Speaker 1: are a lot of them. Look at it. It's really
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Speaker 1: a website to make little music videos or short videos.
47:26
Speaker 1: But they all saw it and then they started bullying
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Speaker 1: her and teasing her about that. This is what I know.
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Speaker 1: According to the CDC Centers for Disease Control, suicide is
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Speaker 1: the second leading cause of death age fifteen twenty four.
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Speaker 1: It is the third leading cause of death in children
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Speaker 1: age ten to fourteen. Let that sink in. The third
47:53
Speaker 1: leading cause of death for children tend to thirteen. That's
47:57
Speaker 1: my children, is suicide. They don't understand. It's forever and
48:05
Speaker 1: you would think car crash, you know, um, childhood cancer accidents?
48:13
Speaker 1: What a suicide? The third leading cause of death of
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Speaker 1: children ten to fourteen? And back to this Netflix thirteen
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Speaker 1: reasons why that's about a girl's suicide and it shows, Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's very glamorized, like people are taking selfies beside Hannah's locker. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that she's a celebrity now, and uh, it glorifies the
48:47
Speaker 1: whole thing. Now, another thing we know is that four
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Speaker 1: percent of preschool children, five percent school age, eleven percent
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Speaker 1: at a lessons meet all the criteria from major depression.
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Speaker 1: And then this child is thrown into the thick of it.
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Speaker 1: Right now, all I can do is pray for ash
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Speaker 1: and her family and hope that justice is rained down
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Speaker 1: on those parties responsible for this beautiful girl's death. The
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Speaker 1: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline eight hundred to seven three eight
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Speaker 1: to five eight hundred two seven three eight two five.
49:47
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what ashes parents told Denvers Fox
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Speaker 1: thirty one. Listen, we watched our daughters lives slipped through
49:55
Speaker 1: our fingers, through our hands, you know what I'm saying,
49:58
Speaker 1: And that mirror le didn't come for us. She was
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Speaker 1: just a child of joy. You know. She brought joy
50:06
Speaker 1: to everyone. She's always been a happy girl. Her parents
50:09
Speaker 1: say that changed last month when she confronted some bullies
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Speaker 1: after school. She uh got into our first every fight. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It was recorded by a student and sent to an
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Speaker 1: app uh called Musically. I see. My daughter was scared.
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Speaker 1: She was devastated when she found out that it had
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Speaker 1: made it to Musically. And then my daughter come home
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Speaker 1: two weeks later and hangs herself in the closet. It's
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Speaker 1: just devastating. They believe she's the victim of what's called
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Speaker 1: bully site. When someone takes their own life because of bullying.
50:46
Speaker 1: We have to stop it. We have to stop it
50:48
Speaker 1: within our kids. And they're hoping a Shaunty story can help.
50:52
Speaker 1: It's easy that they can get on Facebook and all
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Speaker 1: these apps, but they don't have an app for help.
50:59
Speaker 1: I want other parents to know that is happening, that
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