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Detroit Tigers Defend Their Place As Baseball's Top Team · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome into another episode of Tigers Are the Bwork,
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Speaker 1: a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen Steckley with me, as always,
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Speaker 1: the man who's c levels are neither concerning nor offensive. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Kobe Stavin Hagen, how you doing.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Karen. We're checking in. Tigers just took
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Speaker 2: two or three from the Cubs. It's June. Summer is
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Speaker 2: slowly but finally getting here in Michigan. We are somehow,
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Speaker 2: I think, not giving full credit to the fact the
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Speaker 2: Detroit Tigers are the best team in baseball. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is it. We have a Tigers podcast three times
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Speaker 2: a week. We are talking about the best team in
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Speaker 2: the Major leagues record wise, with a lot of underlying
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Speaker 2: data to back up the claim that this team is legit. Clearly,
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Speaker 2: fans are excited, they're coming out there, they're shown up
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Speaker 2: to the ballpark. But like that that real?
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Speaker 1: What?
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Speaker 3: Like?
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Speaker 2: I think? I think it still feels a little bit surreal,
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Speaker 2: or maybe people are still a little bit hesitant to
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Speaker 2: go all the way in. I'm not here to proclaim
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Speaker 2: the Tigers are gonna win the World Series or that
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Speaker 2: this is the start of a dynasty. But this is
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Speaker 2: a cool fun time and we were lucky to be
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Speaker 2: a part of it. I think I think we should
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Speaker 2: appreciate that. I think you guys listening to this should
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Speaker 2: appreciate that. I think we should just take a moment
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Speaker 2: to consider, especially after a long period of some bad baseball,
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Speaker 2: like this is happening. This is real.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun, man Like, it's a lot
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Speaker 1: of fun. It's it's a lot of fun doing this.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of it's a lot of fun to
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Speaker 1: you know, to wear your Tigers hat out or to
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Speaker 1: wear you know, your Tigers t shirt, you know, especially
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Speaker 1: if you're you know, non Detroit or whatever. And it's
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Speaker 1: like that's right, mfor like, especially here in Texas, it's like, yeah, y'all, y'all,
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Speaker 1: team suck Tigers. Tigers on top. And and and I'll
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Speaker 1: give you an example and then we'll kind of talk
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Speaker 1: about the series. I didn't get to talk about this
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Speaker 1: last week because we just got carried away. But I
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Speaker 1: was watching the uh, those Yankees and Dodgers series, the
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Speaker 1: Saturday night game on Fox and Joe Davis their play
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Speaker 1: by play guy, the you know the play by play
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Speaker 1: guy for you know Fox National. So Tigers season goes,
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Speaker 1: pretty well, he's gonna be calling some Tigers games. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they're talking about all the division leaders and they talk
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Speaker 1: about the Tigers and and he said, and I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he's just trying to be conversational. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he's just trying to, you know, be a
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Speaker 1: little contrarian just for interest, Like I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'm not necessarily like sold on the Tigers.
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Speaker 1: That's close to a direct a direct quote. And then
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Speaker 1: shortly there afterward, they put up the graphic and it's,
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Speaker 1: you know, Tiger's best record in Major League Baseball since
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Speaker 1: August eleventh of last season, and you know, all the
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Speaker 1: you know, school ball and Torque stuff and blah blah blah,
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Speaker 1: and it's like kind of spits in the face of
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Speaker 1: what he said. But that speaks to what you're talking about,
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Speaker 1: Cody a little bit, is that I'm not sure the
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Speaker 1: Tigers are getting the national acclaim that they should. They
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Speaker 1: are getting a lot. So I'm not gonna say like, oh, no,
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Speaker 1: he's talking about them. They're good, but but it but
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Speaker 1: it's definitely not best team in baseball type attention. And
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Speaker 1: this weekend, you know, love hate indifferent about Apple TV.
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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is Apple TV is one of
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Speaker 1: the hot new showcases for Major League Baseball, and they
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Speaker 1: are Apple's invested in Major League Baseball. Major League Baseball
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Speaker 1: is invested in Apple. If you hate it, and you're
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Speaker 1: probably gonna see more of it moving forward. So that's
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Speaker 1: just a fair warning. But you have school bol on
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Speaker 1: you know, the national platform, and delivers a gem and
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Speaker 1: a as fun a regular season, as fun a June
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Speaker 1: game as you're gonna have. You have the Cubs in
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Speaker 1: there and their national fan base, and it was amazing. Saturday,
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Speaker 1: you know, a little bit more of a sleeper of
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Speaker 1: a game, but that's okay. And then Sunday a wall
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Speaker 1: to wall victory for the Tigers against perhaps the best
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Speaker 1: team in the National League, perhaps the best hitting team
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Speaker 1: National League. And they won this series. Cody, I would say,
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Speaker 1: in by using all their phases, all their things that
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Speaker 1: they exhibit that they proclaim, all of them were on display,
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Speaker 1: whether it's Kry Carpenter making a catch at the wall,
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Speaker 1: whether it's Trek school and Jack Flaherty bookending excellent starting outings.
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Speaker 1: You know, key hits from from from Riley, from Torque.
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Speaker 1: You know you had had just enough power, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. And and of course the base running.
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Speaker 1: The base running, as consistent as it is, it still
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Speaker 1: never gets old when you when you when you see
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Speaker 1: them do it, and of course the back end bullpen
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Speaker 1: piece of it as well. So like if there, if
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Speaker 1: there was an element to why should we take the
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Speaker 1: Tigers seriously, it's this series, particularly obviously the two wins
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Speaker 1: Friday and Sunday, and also like bayed Detroit as a
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Speaker 1: baseball town also on display this weekend with three straight
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Speaker 1: sellouts in early June, which I think Dan Dickerson said,
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Speaker 1: first time that's happened since twenty thirteen, a year we
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Speaker 1: all know quite well. So like the Tigers in a
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Speaker 1: lot of ways are here. They're back, They're not going anywhere,
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Speaker 1: and we saw that this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Another great series win. I'm not gonna lie. I kind
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Speaker 2: of thought the Tigers might lose this series. Kind of
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Speaker 2: thought figured maybe they dropped two out of three. You
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Speaker 2: had Scooball going, it's like, all right, you better win
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Speaker 2: that one. But hey, you got to give the guy
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Speaker 2: some run support.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 2: That was obviously a problem in Kansas City. We've talked about,
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Speaker 2: like is there a roll coming in a way. Maybe
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Speaker 2: it's hit just quietly. So last thirty days, the Tigers offense,
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Speaker 2: it's cooled off in a big way. They're ops over
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Speaker 2: the last thirty days, six eighty four. That's twenty first
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Speaker 2: in the league. It's really not where you want to be.
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Speaker 2: That's last year's Tigers territory. After after losing, yeah, after
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Speaker 2: losing Saturday's game, I believe they were eleven and nine
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Speaker 2: in their last twenty games. But then they get another
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Speaker 2: win and it's like, you just took two or three
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Speaker 2: from the Cubs. What are you talking about. This team's
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Speaker 2: not slowing down. You lost the Montero game, the bullpen game,
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Speaker 2: which is kind of like, yeah, really good offense could
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Speaker 2: see that happening. So then Sunday rubber match Cubs. It's baseball.
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Speaker 2: You can't put too much on one game. But if
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Speaker 2: you want to make a statement that the Saint no
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Speaker 2: loll I think the Tigers kind of did that. Jack
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Speaker 2: Flaherty on the mound. We've talked a lot about Jack
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Speaker 2: this year. It's been hard to know how to feel
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Speaker 2: about him. I've kind of pointed out times where the
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Speaker 2: stuff wasn't that good, or you know, certain metrics or
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Speaker 2: the reasons for concern. Jack Flarity had maybe his best
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Speaker 2: outing of the year. He was on I think he
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Speaker 2: looked like last year Jack Flaherty for the first time
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Speaker 2: this season. The command was there, There was life on
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Speaker 2: the fastball, the curveball. He used it a lot, and
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Speaker 2: he got some chase, he got some swing and miss.
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Speaker 2: He looked suddenly like a guy who could be a
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Speaker 2: number two starter again. And then some timely hitting from
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Speaker 2: your big boys in the middle of the order, Riley Green, Spencer, Torklsen,
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Speaker 2: Bullpen Dynamic, Tommy Kinley and wilvest We're probably not talking
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Speaker 2: about those guys enough. Both of them pitching at all
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Speaker 2: star levels, really well played game out executed another team
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Speaker 2: in the Cubs that tends to execute pretty well, big
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Speaker 2: out at the plate. I mean, I don't know, like
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Speaker 2: it was. It was a win where suddenly you walk
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Speaker 2: away feeling really good about this team all over again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't want to dismiss also that the chess
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Speaker 1: match between Craig Council and aj Hinch that was also
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Speaker 1: enjoyable and I think just as much a part of
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Speaker 1: everything that we saw this weekend with the lineups this
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Speaker 1: he did get tossed and he earned it. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure Nico earned it, but he earned it. But hey, Aj,
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Speaker 1: you know, might have won the series, but you lost
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Speaker 1: the toss battle. So just say, I do have, like
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Speaker 1: a Jack Flaherty thought that I kind of want to
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Speaker 1: work with you, Cody. You're right, we have talked a
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Speaker 1: lot about him. We've gone through all the issues and
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Speaker 1: we're not gonna, you know, try to be repetitive here,
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Speaker 1: but I did get a thought during this game that
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Speaker 1: have we maybe it took a game like this to
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Speaker 1: give us an indication like man, we might not have
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Speaker 1: given enough credit to his importance to the team and
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Speaker 1: to the staff. And what do I mean by that? Well,
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Speaker 1: we say like he's the proverbial number two, like you know,
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Speaker 1: because he starts the second game of the season. Blah
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Speaker 1: blah blah. Okay, that's fine. But then, like you said
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, you know, is he your second?
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Speaker 1: Is he your number two? Is he your second best picture?
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Speaker 1: You know, maybe he's your four and if you if
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Speaker 1: he's your four, that's really good and blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: And obviously not disagreeing with that notion at all, but
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Speaker 1: you have Reese with this ring finger or inflammation thing
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Speaker 1: kind of hovering. Obviously, Joe Alex Cobb looks like not
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Speaker 1: going to be able to physically perform as a major
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Speaker 1: league pitcher. That's unfortunate. You know, the MAA thing like
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like all these like options and pieces.
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Speaker 1: Montero's Montero, like all these options and pieces, and it's
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Speaker 1: like here's Jack. You know, you used your you used
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Speaker 1: your best you know, your best hand in schoobl on Friday.
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Speaker 1: You kind of had to just try to figure it out.
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Speaker 1: It didn't work out for you on Saturday, and then
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Speaker 1: here's Jack to kind of save the day, save the series.
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Speaker 1: And you know, six innings, two hits, nine k's, that's
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Speaker 1: tied for a season high. Not a lot of heart
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Speaker 1: contact even when he did occasionally hang one because there
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Speaker 1: was a time where I thought he was going to
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Speaker 1: be leading the league and uh and you know, home
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Speaker 1: runs allowed because when they when they hang, they hang,
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Speaker 1: they hang Cody. Uh. But but you know, like some
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Speaker 1: of his hardest contact for foul balls, so like, you know,
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Speaker 1: just a complete effort, really impressive, and it got me thinking,
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Speaker 1: like with everything going on, you need this version of
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Speaker 1: the Jack like clarity. It's like that important, especially with
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Speaker 1: all that cooling off of the offense that you just distributed.
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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to kind of I'm not trying
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Speaker 1: to give him credit as much as like his stature
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Speaker 1: the credit it deserves for what we're seeing with this team,
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Speaker 1: and it's you know, in the big picture.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's this tendency to maybe view Jack
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Speaker 2: as one thing or another. He's either this number two
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Speaker 2: lights out or he's like, maybe he's more like your
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Speaker 2: fourth best pitcher. And again, the reality is on any
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Speaker 2: given day, maybe he's one or the one of those
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Speaker 2: two things, and then the average of those two things,
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Speaker 2: it's just like a really good major league starter and
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Speaker 2: who's not going to be perfect every time out, And
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Speaker 2: that's okay, But a reminder that you do have a
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Speaker 2: guy capable of going out and dominating that feels a
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Speaker 2: little more important. I think after the injury to Olsen,
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Speaker 2: after the injury to Job, your pitching's getting tested a
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Speaker 2: little bit. Cater Montero, he's actually been better than I
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Speaker 2: think it feels like, but you know, maybe not that
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Speaker 2: guy really amped for when it's Montero day. You know,
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Speaker 2: the Tigers are still opening for him, which makes complete
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Speaker 2: strategic sense, but it just kind of shows, like the
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Speaker 2: level of pitcher he is, especially against tough left handed hitting.
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Speaker 2: To have a guy and Jack Flaherty who can pitch
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Speaker 2: at a really high level, it's value showed kind of
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Speaker 2: all over again Sunday. If you want to think way
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Speaker 2: too far ahead and think, okay, if playoff series, is
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Speaker 2: Jack Flarity going to start, you know in the DS,
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Speaker 2: if you have three starters, I we'll see what happens
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Speaker 2: when we get there. But I don't know, is he
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Speaker 2: want to hear three best you could? There's a real
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Speaker 2: argument Reese Olsen and Casey mis maybe are better. But
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Speaker 2: are either of those guys capable of going out and
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Speaker 2: just completely shoving the way Jack flarerty came the way
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Speaker 2: he did Sunday against a really good Cubs lineup, I'm
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Speaker 2: not so sure. So I don't know. Maybe maybe it's
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Speaker 2: the recency bias from watching that game, but start starting
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Speaker 2: to think a little bit differently than maybe how I've
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Speaker 2: kind of been talking about Jack flaerity.
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Speaker 1: Recently, recncy bias perhaps also, you know, just like what
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Speaker 1: the kind of falling for the high end you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean, And I'm in that in a bad way,
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Speaker 1: but just like like the high end is higher than
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Speaker 1: anybody on this staff except for Terrek School well obviously,
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Speaker 1: and then you know a rookie Jackson Joe, so like
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Speaker 1: you know, so like that's that you kind of cling
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Speaker 1: to to the ceiling, and then the floor is also
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, I'm just gonna read a
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Speaker 1: couple of things for you, Cody, to set this up.
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Speaker 1: Carry Carpenter on Baseball Savants has range in the twenty
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Speaker 1: percent tile, he has arm value in the twenty two percentile,
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Speaker 1: arm strength sixty five percent tile, and overall fielding run
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Speaker 1: value nineteen percentile.
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Speaker 2: Not great.
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Speaker 5: Throw those numbers out the door because it did not
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Speaker 5: matter this weekend. Carrie Carpenter in like some literal and
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Speaker 5: metaphorical ways, saved this series right because your two victories
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Speaker 5: are like do not happen most likely, or at least
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Speaker 5: they are completely changed without that catch and right field
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Speaker 5: on Friday night and then throwing out what it was.
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Speaker 1: Who it was at home? I just had a brain
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Speaker 1: pack Ian half Ian Hat. That's right, Ian Hat at
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Speaker 1: home got the review and they still upheld the call,
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Speaker 1: and that was a rope. And he almost had another
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Speaker 1: assist in the series as well. And this is all
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Speaker 1: with a gimpy I guess we can call it gimpy
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Speaker 1: whatever hamstring learned.
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Speaker 2: You're not supposed to use that word, go google it.
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Speaker 1: You don't know why, Okay, I apologize. I apologize a
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Speaker 1: hurt hamstring of some degree and so like. And he
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Speaker 1: also delivered with the bat a little bit too so,
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Speaker 1: and also base running prowess on display despite the fact
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Speaker 1: that again he can't really run, but he can stretch
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Speaker 1: into a double and score from second on a straight
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Speaker 1: up the hit to left field and have it into
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Speaker 1: infield single. So everything that you kind of expect with
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Speaker 1: the members with carry Carpenter outside of his bat kind
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Speaker 1: of just like throwing out the door for a weekend.
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Speaker 1: And then it was a lot of fun. It was
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Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes these numbers just conflict with each other. The
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Speaker 2: more or less home run rob that saved Friday night's
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Speaker 2: game had what a ninety plus percent catch probability, But
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Speaker 2: also I think would have been a home run in
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Speaker 2: twelve Major league parks, so the you know, good luck
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Speaker 2: squaring those and then just watching it. It was a
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Speaker 2: very hard play. It was a very difficult catch, tough sky,
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Speaker 2: even hazy, some smoke from the wildfires plus the twilight. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you never know. In some ways, watching Carry this year,
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Speaker 2: it almost feels to me like his defense has maybe
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Speaker 2: he regressed. This is a guy who's worked really hard
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Speaker 2: defensively and has come a long way in the past
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Speaker 2: two or three years. There were times last year he
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Speaker 2: started to look kind of nice out there, and then
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Speaker 2: it just hasn't been the same this season. But that
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's every time. Because you're right, he had
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Speaker 2: game changing plays in two of three games this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Kudos to him, you know, had to. Now watching him
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Speaker 2: run the bases has me a little scared. Man. It's like, Eh,
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Speaker 2: is him playing through this a good idea? I don't
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Speaker 2: know the answer to that. I assume he wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: playing through this if the Tigers medical staff in front
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Speaker 2: office didn't feel as though it was safe, it was advisable,
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Speaker 2: but he's clearly not one hundred percent. He clearly can't
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Speaker 2: can't well, I guess maybe you can turn on the jets,
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Speaker 2: but he's clearly not one hundred percent. Right, It's like, well,
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Speaker 2: you don't want to I l Carry if he's capable
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Speaker 2: of playing, you also don't want this injury to get worse.
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Speaker 2: I think that's probably one of the more difficult kind
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Speaker 2: of behind the scenes things. Maybe teams have to navigate.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. There's also kind of some old school
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Speaker 2: just playing hurt, playing through it, rubbed some dirt on it.
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Speaker 2: I kind of like that. You just hope it doesn't
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Speaker 2: get worse.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing too, Like even through all those plays,
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Speaker 1: you never really thought there was any overextending that that
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Speaker 1: was happening, So whatever kind of like all the things
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Speaker 1: that we speculated, like Riley Green was doing, like like
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Speaker 1: that we see it in real time that you know,
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Speaker 1: Carry Carpenter doing it, And and to be honest, like
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Speaker 1: the best thing that you could say about it is
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Speaker 1: that you're not really you have to kind of remind
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Speaker 1: yourself about it because it doesn't like affect like the
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Speaker 1: regular play, if that makes sense, And and the way
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Speaker 1: you know with everybody ironically, everybody being more healthy means
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Speaker 1: that you kind of you know, like have to have
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Speaker 1: to put him in right field, but it's a lot
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Speaker 1: easier if you do. Uh so, yeah, you're right. Give
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Speaker 1: him credit there. And I saw like the expected batting
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Speaker 1: average and all that stuff for the play on Friday night.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes just sometimes she's got to blindly ignore numbers.
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Speaker 2: I thought that was ignoring it on that one when
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Speaker 2: there's a wall there, I don't buy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then yeah, and then the throw,
18:55
Speaker 1: like it was really close play at the play, but
18:59
Speaker 1: it doesn't take anything away from the fact that that
19:01
Speaker 1: was like a perfect throw and it was everything was
19:04
Speaker 1: like that was honestly an instructional video of how to
19:08
Speaker 1: play that. You know, get the hop, you know, momentum
19:10
Speaker 1: forward one hop to the catcher and you know, Dingler
19:14
Speaker 1: did a did a good job fielding and you know,
19:17
Speaker 1: just enough with the tag.
19:18
Speaker 2: I guess she did a good look at I'd have
19:20
Speaker 2: to I don't want to dog I in HAPs based
19:23
Speaker 2: running here, but I wonder if that was not textbook
19:26
Speaker 2: base running. I think maybe he took a really wide
19:28
Speaker 2: turn or something. He did take away a good runner
19:30
Speaker 2: who took a long time getting to that.
19:32
Speaker 1: I don't think he I don't think he thought that
19:34
Speaker 1: that was first of all, he probably thought was gonna
19:36
Speaker 1: be cut off. I don't think he really thought that
19:37
Speaker 1: that was gonna be like a real play at the point.
19:41
Speaker 1: But again, like we saw, I mean, Kyle Tucker is
19:43
Speaker 1: as great at a right fielder as you're gonna find,
19:47
Speaker 1: and he had some arrant throws that, like you know,
19:50
Speaker 1: Carpenter on that moment.
19:52
Speaker 2: Had a couple of mistakes at third base that the
19:54
Speaker 2: PCA play on Friday, which probably mostly on third base
19:57
Speaker 2: coach Quinton Barry just waving them, and I almost think
20:01
Speaker 2: he should have kept waving them. But then he threw
20:03
Speaker 2: up a late stop sign and he over in the
20:05
Speaker 2: base and Hobby did a great job getting that ball
20:07
Speaker 2: the third I don't know, Joey Kora would never do
20:13
Speaker 2: such a thing because he's just waving them no matter what.
20:16
Speaker 1: I mean, he tried the wave, He tried the wave.
20:18
Speaker 1: Carpenter on that pass ball, I might have scored on
20:23
Speaker 1: that past so so yeah, but that's another thing too
20:26
Speaker 1: about this series, just in general, is that like all
20:28
Speaker 1: the like AJ wants the team, Scott Harris wants a
20:32
Speaker 1: team that is going to win the majority of the
20:36
Speaker 1: little things. The Cubs are a well put together, well
20:40
Speaker 1: coached and managed team as well, and they typically, you know,
20:44
Speaker 1: you don't get this record without it, typically do a
20:46
Speaker 1: lot of the little things right as well. And this
20:49
Speaker 1: series kind of came down to which team did more
20:53
Speaker 1: of the little things right and then you and then
20:55
Speaker 1: you know, they had good pitching, they had you know,
20:57
Speaker 1: maybe they use up too much of their heading on Saturday,
21:00
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like it like that you saw
21:05
Speaker 1: uncharacteristic Like if you saw things that the Cubs did that,
21:08
Speaker 1: if the Tigers did them, you would almost be like, like,
21:11
Speaker 1: You've got to throw that out of your memory bank
21:13
Speaker 1: because I just don't expect that to be a thing
21:16
Speaker 1: with them. So uh So that sometimes that's what made
21:20
Speaker 1: this such a fun series, is that they were doing
21:22
Speaker 1: a lot of the same things. The Tigers just did
21:25
Speaker 1: them better and and that's why they are. They were
21:28
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21:31
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21:37
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Speaker 1: All right, Friday Cody, we again, you know, another element
23:04
Speaker 1: of the romanticism of this weekend was, uh, you know,
23:07
Speaker 1: Jami Jones comes up. That came out the expense of
23:12
Speaker 1: Andy Abayas to talk about Jones here in a second.
23:14
Speaker 1: But again one of those things that you know, fans
23:18
Speaker 1: have been kind of calling for. Media had been asking
23:21
Speaker 1: about aj given like the good answers basically like, you know,
23:25
Speaker 1: we value him, we need him to contribute, and he
23:28
Speaker 1: just hasn't you know, basically just speaking factual information. Uh,
23:31
Speaker 1: you know, hasn't been right right now. And then they
23:33
Speaker 1: send him down Toledo to you know, get right, and
23:36
Speaker 1: they call up Jones. First pitch gets the add on
23:40
Speaker 1: run in the eighth inning. Uh. Another one of those
23:43
Speaker 1: storybook elements to Friday Night's game. Uh, I don't think
23:48
Speaker 1: they're gonna ask Jami to be JAMAI bonds against lefties,
23:53
Speaker 1: but he is a guy who does have a track
23:55
Speaker 1: record throughout his professional career of being good against lefties.
24:00
Speaker 1: And I like, I like I said, I don't think
24:01
Speaker 1: he's gonna get used like a Banye is was used
24:05
Speaker 1: like in terms of volume. But they're gonna give him
24:08
Speaker 1: every opportunity to kind of hold on to this spot.
24:11
Speaker 1: That that that's my that's my read of it. Uh,
24:15
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on on you know, both of
24:16
Speaker 1: those moves.
24:18
Speaker 2: I was actually surprised they sent down Andy. I mean
24:22
Speaker 2: we had talked about it a couple of times and
24:24
Speaker 2: we had went from well he's doing okay, to well,
24:28
Speaker 2: it's those numbers have tapered off very quickly, but still
24:32
Speaker 2: he's He's Andy, right. I thought it was possible they
24:36
Speaker 2: would hold on until the trade deadline and then try
24:39
Speaker 2: to find some sort of upgrade. And I know there
24:42
Speaker 2: aren't just a dime a dozen. You know, a lot
24:45
Speaker 2: of a lot of guys who are top notch right
24:48
Speaker 2: handed platoon bats are on good teams and maybe aren't
24:50
Speaker 2: aren't going anywhere. But I didn't think they would actually
24:54
Speaker 2: pull the plug in part because what are your what
24:57
Speaker 2: are your other options? It was Jahan who does and
25:00
Speaker 2: have the same flexibility in the field where it was
25:03
Speaker 2: someone not on the forty man roster. Let's be honest,
25:06
Speaker 2: we hadn't heard the name Jami Jones much after being
25:09
Speaker 2: one of the camp darlings and the guy who for
25:11
Speaker 2: a second looked like he had a really good shot
25:14
Speaker 2: to make the team. It seemed like the Tiger's infatuation
25:17
Speaker 2: with Jones faded, got off to a little bit of
25:19
Speaker 2: a slow starting trip LA. But now here he is,
25:22
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh yeah, Jami Jones. Pretty good, pretty
25:26
Speaker 2: good minor league pick up by the Tigers this offseason.
25:29
Speaker 2: Obviously incredible story. And I did talk to Jemi a
25:33
Speaker 2: little bit Saturday morning, got a story up on the
25:35
Speaker 2: Athletic going a little deeper on his family's Detroit legacy,
25:40
Speaker 2: the memories of his late father, who was briefly a
25:44
Speaker 2: Lions defensive lineman. Amazing guy, amazing family, amazing story. Cool
25:51
Speaker 2: to see him get this moment. I am curious what
25:54
Speaker 2: the future is gonna hold. Listening to aj Hinschtock, it
25:57
Speaker 2: sounds very much like the Tigers would like Andy to
26:01
Speaker 2: just get right. I think he's battled a combination of things,
26:06
Speaker 2: sometimes chasing too much, sometimes being too patient getting down
26:10
Speaker 2: oh one, maybe some mechanical things just not quite swaying
26:15
Speaker 2: the same. I think they'd like for him to figure
26:16
Speaker 2: this out and then get back up there. There's also
26:20
Speaker 2: Jahan was not quite eligible for recall, you know, tin
26:24
Speaker 2: day window. He'll be eligible again in a few days
26:27
Speaker 2: with the Tigers, consider just making that swab Jones for Jayhen.
26:31
Speaker 2: Where's Jamai Jones gonna get some runway? I don't know
26:34
Speaker 2: the answer to that question. I think there are arguments
26:37
Speaker 2: that could go both ways. We know what Jayhen has
26:41
Speaker 2: the potential to do. If there's no Andy, Jayhen suddenly
26:45
Speaker 2: is going to be in the mix a little more often.
26:48
Speaker 2: But I don't know Jami. He can play outfield, He's
26:52
Speaker 2: got some speed. He can play the infield if you
26:55
Speaker 2: need it, although that doesn't really seem to be in
26:56
Speaker 2: their plans right now. And as of this forwarding, he's
27:00
Speaker 2: got a one thousand batting average, So uh yeah, I
27:04
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. Jami Jones is the type of
27:06
Speaker 2: guy I rooted for. This is kind of an interesting
27:09
Speaker 2: roster wrinkle and I'll be curious to see what it
27:12
Speaker 2: looks like even in let's say two weeks from now,
27:15
Speaker 2: is Andy backup? Is Jami now the man is Jay
27:18
Speaker 2: n up and doing his thing? Because I could see
27:21
Speaker 2: it going any of those ways.
27:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like this is not apples to apples
27:27
Speaker 1: to apples. But at the same time, as much as
27:32
Speaker 1: I believe in the in the Jay hen potential, like
27:36
Speaker 1: the numbers were what they were with what with how
27:39
Speaker 1: they were gonna use him, and then Andy obviously had
27:43
Speaker 1: plenty of opportunity, I'm all for giving Jami like a
27:47
Speaker 1: little bit of a runway, Like you don't have to
27:49
Speaker 1: like promise him anything, but I would like, I'd see
27:51
Speaker 1: what's in there, because uh, he's spent parts of five
27:56
Speaker 1: seasons now in the major leagues, Like he is a
27:59
Speaker 1: c in professional, you know what I mean, And so
28:03
Speaker 1: like like why not, like why why not give him?
28:06
Speaker 1: You've given Jahn plenty of opportunities, You've given Andy plenty
28:09
Speaker 1: of opportunities, Like I would see what what you can
28:12
Speaker 1: do with with Jones. That's that's that's my that's my
28:16
Speaker 1: mindset because I the Tigers are really good a lot
28:21
Speaker 1: of times about not making moves when they don't have to.
28:24
Speaker 1: This would be yeah, to just kind of let this
28:27
Speaker 1: play out naturally and then make a decision when it's
28:30
Speaker 1: time to make a decision. That would be uh. That
28:32
Speaker 1: would be my opinion on the matter.
28:34
Speaker 2: And you're probably right here. And it's kind of rare
28:37
Speaker 2: for the Tigers to bring someone up with the knowledge
28:40
Speaker 2: that maybe they would have to DFA him. Unless I'm
28:42
Speaker 2: missing something, he doesn't have options. It would probably be
28:46
Speaker 2: unlike the Tigers to call a guy like Jamia who
28:49
Speaker 2: has some value up for like four days and then
28:53
Speaker 2: send him down and send them back through the waiver cycle.
28:55
Speaker 2: So maybe we will get a little bit of runway
28:57
Speaker 2: here and and we'll see what's up with Andy, the
29:00
Speaker 2: guy now getting squeezed on playing time. All of a sudden,
29:02
Speaker 2: it is Trey Sweeney. We talked about a little bit
29:05
Speaker 2: in our last episode. I don't know what's gonna happen
29:09
Speaker 2: there either. I've said, like the Tigers like Tray Sweeney, man,
29:13
Speaker 2: I do think he's the news at mckinstree. The guy
29:15
Speaker 2: everyone's trying to sit down. But maybe they're just gonna
29:18
Speaker 2: stick with them. That calculus changes. If he's not gonna
29:21
Speaker 2: get a lot of playing time, and right now you're trying.
29:24
Speaker 2: Even though Hobby Buys is really cool off. He's hitting
29:27
Speaker 2: under two hundred since that two homer game against the
29:30
Speaker 2: Red Sox, I think he still want to be getting
29:31
Speaker 2: him in the lineup. McKinstry can play some short Sweeney.
29:35
Speaker 2: He's not in fastballs. All four of his homers this
29:38
Speaker 2: year on breaking balls. I think he has a negative
29:40
Speaker 2: three run value against fastballs. You look right around ninety
29:43
Speaker 2: four miles an hour, his wifth rate goes up big time.
29:48
Speaker 2: That's that's concerning, right That's a hard way to survive
29:52
Speaker 2: in the big leagues. Is there a chance Sweeney finally
29:56
Speaker 2: goes down? I don't know. Would they bring up another
29:58
Speaker 2: right handed bat for swe I'm not sure they would
30:01
Speaker 2: like the construction of that. Who's your only other left
30:04
Speaker 2: handed option? Probably Jase Young, I who knows what's going
30:08
Speaker 2: on there? Another guy who doesn't hit fastballs and doesn't
30:10
Speaker 2: have the defensive value of a traceweeney either. So I
30:15
Speaker 2: think for the next week or two, this is gonna
30:17
Speaker 2: be the roster wrinkle to sort through. How do you
30:21
Speaker 2: manage playing time at shortstop and what's gonna happen with
30:23
Speaker 2: Trace Wenie.
30:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the way that I look at this is
30:32
Speaker 1: right now, you're just not seeing any upside potential with
30:39
Speaker 1: Trace Wenie in the like in the lineup.
30:42
Speaker 2: I'm telling you they think it's there.
30:44
Speaker 1: I think for sure defensively it is, and we've seen
30:48
Speaker 1: bits and pieces of what he can do offensively, uh,
30:53
Speaker 1: but defensively right now, he's negative two outs above average.
30:57
Speaker 1: You know, Hobby at short this year, what's he got
31:02
Speaker 1: nine ten starts at shortstop is one plus one outs
31:07
Speaker 1: above average. And we saw this weekend him make some
31:10
Speaker 1: you know, some some pretty fine plays. You know, had
31:13
Speaker 1: a little help from Torque, but ain't nothing wrong with that,
31:16
Speaker 1: but he made he looks he's he didn't lose any
31:19
Speaker 1: shortstop skills by playing, however, many games in center fields.
31:24
Speaker 1: He's a ballplayer through and through that hobby. But at
31:28
Speaker 1: least I know with Hobby in the lineup, if there's
31:32
Speaker 1: a mistake, there is a better chance of it being
31:36
Speaker 1: pounced on than Tray Sweeney right now, and again the
31:41
Speaker 1: right left right thing. I understand all that stuff, But
31:43
Speaker 1: like even with a cooled off Hobby, you still see
31:48
Speaker 1: like some version of upside with right now, better defense.
31:53
Speaker 1: So like at a certain point, like Sweeney, like like
31:59
Speaker 1: one of my getting with Sweeney in in the lineup,
32:02
Speaker 1: and that shortstop is what I'm asking, Like right now,
32:05
Speaker 1: they're like what am I getting? Because but then again,
32:08
Speaker 1: like he's still a very very very very young player
32:12
Speaker 1: and you and I do want to like, I don't
32:15
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be He's gonna he's another guy. I
32:17
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna benefit from being at triple A.
32:20
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't I don't know
32:24
Speaker 1: what else you can really do, Like maybe it maybe
32:28
Speaker 1: this is another way of kind of running out the
32:30
Speaker 1: Hobby experience as long as you can, while Sweeney maybe
32:33
Speaker 1: figures some things out behind the scenes. Works that fancy
32:37
Speaker 1: batting cage that you wrote about, uh in the Athletic
32:40
Speaker 1: and and and and does it that way gives you
32:43
Speaker 1: like a left handed option off the bench, you know,
32:45
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But like as of like higher power,
32:49
Speaker 1: upside and better defense, I'm gonna default to hobby right now.
32:55
Speaker 1: UH at shortstop, you know, in a blanket term without
32:59
Speaker 1: you know, and like pitch your tendencies and you know,
33:01
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. That splits and all that stuff.
33:04
Speaker 2: A lot of people are deffaulting to Boba schet which
33:08
Speaker 2: also check the say things the Blue Jays playing better
33:10
Speaker 2: than you think, So that's something to watch and look
33:14
Speaker 2: the next several weeks, we're gonna talk a lot more
33:17
Speaker 2: about trade that line stuff. We don't have to get
33:19
Speaker 2: too deep into it. My big question, I wonder what
33:22
Speaker 2: that costs. I'm not sure what it costs. I think
33:27
Speaker 2: it would be an upgrade. Is it a big enough
33:29
Speaker 2: upgrade that you would want to part with somewhat significant
33:34
Speaker 2: young talents. I think that's a hard question to answer.
33:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again we can get into some hypotheticals at
33:44
Speaker 1: a later date. But all those names that you get
33:46
Speaker 1: excited about seeing on x formally known as Twitter, those
33:50
Speaker 1: are some of the names that, like other teams are
33:52
Speaker 1: gonna want even for a even for a rental. So
33:55
Speaker 1: just you know, keep that in mind. Everything comes out
33:57
Speaker 1: of cost. Everything at a cost. All right, Let's go
34:04
Speaker 1: to a little Riley conversation because Riley's kind of in
34:08
Speaker 1: the headlines right now. Cody leading major League Baseball and
34:13
Speaker 1: strikeouts is awesome if you're a pitcher. It's not the
34:16
Speaker 1: best thing on the planet. If you are a hitcher,
34:20
Speaker 1: which is what Riley is obviously, and what he is doing.
34:23
Speaker 1: He actually had five straight at bats. If you go
34:26
Speaker 1: Saturday to Sunday with a strikeout, and he's missing pitches
34:31
Speaker 1: that you're not used to seeing him miss, and he
34:36
Speaker 1: is swinging, he is chasing, I want to say, more
34:40
Speaker 1: more than you expect, but he's chasing more than you
34:42
Speaker 1: would like.
34:43
Speaker 2: He's chasing way too much.
34:44
Speaker 1: And and you know, the the counting numbers are still fine,
34:49
Speaker 1: the you know, some of the other metrics still get
34:51
Speaker 1: still make you think like the whole picture is okay,
34:54
Speaker 1: like we talked about last week, but he does bounce
34:57
Speaker 1: back today. He has you know, he has the you know,
35:00
Speaker 1: the double turned into a single? Are you know to
35:04
Speaker 1: RBI and or RBI is excuse me? And like it's
35:09
Speaker 1: just another reminder of just like how how much kind
35:12
Speaker 1: of things can change with one at bat. And I
35:16
Speaker 1: just can't help but wonder, like what is he like,
35:19
Speaker 1: you know, in the clubhouse and around the you know,
35:22
Speaker 1: batting practice and all that stuff, when he's clearly got
35:25
Speaker 1: some pretty big flaws, some pretty big production and he's
35:30
Speaker 1: and he's the you're middle of the order guy, Like
35:34
Speaker 1: I'm curious how how is Riley Green, because the reactions
35:39
Speaker 1: to him are quite severe one way or another.
35:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of I mean, I don't know, no
35:46
Speaker 2: one likes to four strikeout games, right, but it kind
35:48
Speaker 2: of amazes me the amount of heat that he's getting.
35:51
Speaker 2: But he's getting that heat because I think I've said
35:55
Speaker 2: this for everyone, like he's better than that, you know,
35:58
Speaker 2: I think this is part of who he is. I
36:00
Speaker 2: think he's a hitter who is going to swing and
36:02
Speaker 2: miss and have a generally high strikeout rate. But this
36:06
Speaker 2: is pretty extreme, all right, eight three plus strikeout games,
36:09
Speaker 2: Like he is better than that. This is not Joey Gallo,
36:13
Speaker 2: Chris Davis. Like there's an intuitive, very hitterish part of
36:17
Speaker 2: Riley Green that hasn't quite been there. You know. It's
36:23
Speaker 2: just been so feast or famine, and I don't think
36:25
Speaker 2: that's a true representation of what, at least you want
36:28
Speaker 2: him to be. Now, I did write about Riley recently,
36:31
Speaker 2: and a lot of that story, Like, I kind of
36:35
Speaker 2: like how he handles this. I think you can already
36:38
Speaker 2: see a difference in how Riley handles the droughts compared
36:41
Speaker 2: to his first year or two in the big leagues.
36:43
Speaker 2: Like he kind of understands it. He holds himself to
36:47
Speaker 2: a very high standard. It bothers him, but he's like,
36:50
Speaker 2: all right, how am I going to get out of it?
36:54
Speaker 2: You're gonna keep changing his walk up song? Apparently he
36:57
Speaker 2: does that all the time. Gets a new bat, gets
36:59
Speaker 2: a new grip, little things like that. But he's adjustable.
37:05
Speaker 2: I don't know what the full answer here is. It
37:07
Speaker 2: has been somewhat frustrating to watch, but I almost think
37:10
Speaker 2: like we got to like, as much as he can
37:13
Speaker 2: be better than that, we got to remember he's still
37:15
Speaker 2: producing at a really high level despite striking out at
37:19
Speaker 2: a ridiculous rate. I think it's gonna be okay. You
37:23
Speaker 2: just hope to strike out right and the chase rate
37:26
Speaker 2: falls a little bit as the season goes on.
37:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in fairness, today it was a terrible call,
37:31
Speaker 1: at least by you know TV graphic that he had
37:35
Speaker 1: a looking third strike on a on a change up
37:37
Speaker 1: that was clearly down. Uh. Other people disagreed with that
37:42
Speaker 1: home plate up for a different times, so you know,
37:45
Speaker 1: it wasn't just a one off back call or anything.
37:48
Speaker 1: But I've anecdotally it feels like he's putting himself in
37:54
Speaker 1: disadvantage counts too often and that that goes with with
37:58
Speaker 1: the chase and and all that stuff and.
38:01
Speaker 2: Spin a lot. Yeah, I mean it's almost like he's
38:04
Speaker 2: not recognizing it for some reason.
38:06
Speaker 1: And sometimes things can be as simple as that, and
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Speaker 1: sometimes things click more you know, here than they do there,
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Speaker 1: and you know, like you have to kind of trust
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Speaker 1: the track record for him to be able to figure out.
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Speaker 1: So maybe Sunday is one of those, uh, one of
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Speaker 1: those plays that kind of gets him going a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I mean he was talking to himself right before that
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Speaker 1: pitch and uh as Dan Petrie said, whatever he said,
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Speaker 1: it worked, Uh, all right, anything else, Cody? Before we
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Speaker 1: did out here, I know, we talked about a lot.
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Speaker 1: We also did did I could?
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Speaker 2: I could keep talking for an.
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Speaker 1: Hour enough at the same time, And that is exactly
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Speaker 1: what is the true indicator of what this team is doing.
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Speaker 1: Is that we didn't really talk about Torque, but we
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Speaker 1: will this week, I promise.
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Speaker 2: That's a tease.
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Speaker 1: And we didn't really talk about school, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: and and and those are obviously two huge factors in
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Speaker 1: this you know, much hyped live up to the hype
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Speaker 1: series win for the Tigers, and you know, the reports
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Speaker 1: of them being on the downfall were overstating. Thank you
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Speaker 1: We appreciate all of you. We hope to continue to
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Speaker 1: grow this thing as what is shaping up to be
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Speaker 1: a very memorable season. So for Cody Stavenhagen, I'm Karen Seckley. Everybody,
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