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Talks to Mark Rawlins about his choice of The Wrath of Eukor · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Oh, welcome back to A Hamster with a Blumping Knife, the
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  Doctor Who Commentary podcast. Hello.
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  Hello. How are you I'm.
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  Very good. Thank you.
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  Very sunny day today. It is, yes.
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  A beautiful day to be watching Doctor Who.
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  Absolutely. Although we're not watching
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  official Doctor Who today, are we?
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  Now, will you please tell me what change?
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  What on earth is going on today? Well, this is a first, isn't?
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  It they'll see the wrath of you core commentary in their feeds
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  and go, well what the fuck is that?
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  So we're taking a bit of a step into fan films now.
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  I have never been interested in fan films whatsoever in my
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  entire time as a Doctor Who fan and I'm.
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  Trying to think of the exposure I've had to fanfare well like.
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  I suppose they were quite big, you know, wilderness year style.
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  But no, it's just because there's been so many, because
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  we've got Big Finish. We've had books, magazines, all
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  that other extra stuff. I've.
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  Never fan. Films, No.
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  I've never felt the need for a fan film or to look into fan
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  films because there's just so much actual Doctor Who out
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  there. Even with your BBVS and your
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  real times and everything, there's so much content.
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  Well, I mean. I've never really looked into
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  it, but just the other day we just were looking on YouTube,
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  weren't we? And just happened to come across
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  a few fan films and I was just so surprised how enjoyable and
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  wonderful they were. So I'm completely converted to
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  fan films now. Somewhat more enjoyable than
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  some of the Doctor episodes we've watched over.
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  The years and obviously the quality varies.
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  It's all, you know, homemade stuff on a budget.
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  But it's just so much fun and it's so creative and inventive
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  and I just don't know why I've never looked into them before.
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  Is it like, you know, not the layers of magma and all that
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  under the earth? Right.
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  Is there are there layers of fan films?
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  So obviously you have the TV series and then you sort of have
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  fanservice like Big Finish and the official books.
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  I know that's actual Doctor Who, but it is kind of fans, isn't
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  it? Then you would you have BBV
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  underneath that, which is sort of unofficial Doctor Who but
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  official merchandise. Yeah, but there's, there's
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  licensing involved there. There's, you know, it's a
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  product for sale. This is straight onto YouTube
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  for the fun of it, for the fun of doing the cosplay and if
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  you're interested in like TV and film and stuff.
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  I mean, I did, you know, fun. So I didn't do Doctor Who stuff,
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  but I made my own little films done with the camera and stuff.
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  I've done that kind of stuff. I've recreate the episode of Man
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  about the house instead of doing a doctor.
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  I know, but you know, Mark was the man about the house in the
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  bathtub falling asleep. I mean, I can completely see why
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  it's a fun thing to do and it's you know, if you're a group of
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  fans and you want to get together and do this, but the
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  but the ones that we're talking about today, I think just seem
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  really special and they seem like they were quite popular at
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  the time. Don't know.
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  We don't really know much about it.
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  We're listener. We know as much as you do about
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  this right now, the. Production limitations, I think.
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  I think they're remarkably competent bits of storytelling.
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  Well, let's go into it and tell everyone where to find are you?
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  Worried that we're going out things to.
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  Say so it's only half an hour everyone.
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  So if you go and search for Doctor Who, the wrath of.
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  Eukor. Eukor EUKOR and this is a fan
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  film by Seattle International Film. 1980. 4 from 1984 and the
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  first female doctor, may I say. Yes, Barbara Benedetti.
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  I mean I. Think maybe he's wonderful.
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  And also I think in America, you know, with Gallifrey one and the
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  cosplay and everything is always so much sort of more over the
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  top. And I feel like American fans,
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  from what I know, are way more into that kind of stuff.
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  So I feel like the American fan film all Americans also, this is
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  all American. And I think yeah, they all are.
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  It's yeah. It's a good English accent.
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  National, but yeah, it's I feel like they go hard on the fan
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  films and this is 1984, so Doctor Who is still on and I
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  don't it was just such. As what was it in 84?
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  That was Colin Baker's first year.
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  This is up against season 22. Frankly, The Wrath of You core
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  has better production values and time lash so.
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  Everyone go on YouTube find it the picture quality for this
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  first one. Yeah, because this doctor, this
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  better. Overtime.
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  My new favorite doctor, Barbara Benedetti.
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  Absolutely. I'm serious.
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  As a Jodie Whittaker. First female doctor.
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  Amazing. They did.
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  They did four with this doctor and this is the first one, 1984.
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  It's all done on like home, like film.
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  This one, it's actual film. You know, like a cine home film
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  thing. They basically, they basically
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  went to a wood and what a sort of not, it wasn't quite a power
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  station. It was posing as a power
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  station. They're trying to do big
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  production value on location. Well, and what they I mean, the
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  quality that's been uploaded on YouTube isn't particularly great
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  for this particular first one. So if you're gonna give this a
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  try, don't let that put you off. Wait.
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  Only because what? Who cares about the quality of
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  the? I'm just saying the quality of.
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  Barbara Benedetti. And what's his name?
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  What's the companion called? The cranium is Carl.
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  Carl Oh my God. So basically, well, no, wait,
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  let me just do let me just do this a little bit.
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  Oh, you also you need to go to old media guy.
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  That's the name of the channel where all these fan films are
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  we. We also found a fabulous one
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  starring fake John Pertwee and is the System.
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  I mean, there's many, there's many.
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  On there's name Doctor Kent, the generously portioned Dr. Kent
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  where we're talking about the the Barbara Benedetti ones today
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  and also if you go to Facebook and search for Doctor Who wrath
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  of equal 40th anniversary. This how this is, how far back
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  we're going. I think if you follow that on
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  Facebook, they're going to. I think the guy who made it is
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  remastering and putting up the film on HD.
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  So hopefully we'll get better quality.
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  Looks at that photograph of her outside the TARDIS.
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  OMG. Everybody pulls this now go on
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  YouTube. Haven't find this episode?
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  Queue it up and we'll all watch together.
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  Well, you're getting very dominated on this podcast that
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  isn't yours. Everything sorted, so we're all
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  ready to watch. It you start taking charge of,
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  perhaps for a blood pen knife. All right, over to.
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  You like every other part of my life.
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  Well, let's start, shall we? And okay everybody, 321 when
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  you're ready for the wrath of Equal Star.
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  Sorry, I should start. Brown, hold on when?
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  Did he? And go.
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  I don't. Think anyone was watching
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  alongside us? Well.
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  I think so. Seattle International Film I.
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  Think what does give it that extra quality is that it's on
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  film. So we're here, London 1911 and
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  our our soon to be companion Carl the chimney sweep.
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  Is Chimney. Well, he's a chimney.
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  He's got a chimney sweep. Thing No Chimney, Chimney,
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  chimney. Whatever anyway.
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  And he's done that. He looks a bit like ATV comic
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  Patrick. Trout No, he doesn't.
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  He looks like the Artful Dodger from.
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  He's got the bow tie and he's short.
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  He's like Patrick Trout and. God, the production value on
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  this street. Absolutely brilliant.
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  The light and. Everything.
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  So he is. He's found some blood on the
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  floor. What is happening?
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  Something has occurred. I mean it's very streets of
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  Talons Wing Chayang style. They got the fog.
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  And everything. And here he's seen somebody in
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  the shadows. Is she in a junkyard?
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  No, it's Victorian London, isn't it?
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  Of course. And here we have our doctor.
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  Barbara Benedetti in the Sick Doctor's Co.
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  Very oversized sick doctor's. Coat well, she's a lot smaller
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  than Colin Baker and. She's got blood on her, she's
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  injured and he's helping her and he's he's, they're chatting at
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  all. So it's a great doctor and
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  companion pairing. It's wonderful and actually as
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  we go through, because they've got four whole adventures.
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  On YouTube. You lucky bit, that's all.
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  That's three more than That's three more than Paul Miguel, I
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  might add. I.
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  Love how Carl just goes along with it.
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  What a great companion. And there's no fuss about her
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  being a woman, is there? They just, they just ask you to
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  accept. It and so she reminds me of I
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  don't know if this is an app description.
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  She's a bit like Lulla Ward. Crossed with Victoria Wood.
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  Crossed with Jane Asher? Yeah.
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  Crossed with Jane Lynch. You know that woman from Glee?
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  Is it Jane Lynn? She's.
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  Got Victoria Woods haircut? Victoria Wood.
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  Yeah, and all those wonderful people to come.
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  Amazing. I think she's American, but she
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  sort of goes. Come along, Carl.
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  And I mean, I don't we, we don't really know too much about it.
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  Sadly, Barbara has passed away since making.
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  Racist, but. I don't know if she was a fan,
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  if this is all or they've or it's fans that have hired an
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  actress, if you see what I mean. What she's got is genuine acting
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  ability and a sparkle in her eyes, like she's got a beautiful
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  smile absolutely going. And I've been straight in that
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  TARDIS with her. If I was Carl the chimney sweep.
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  I know and it and they've got a proper full, you know, this is a
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  replica TARDIS, This is a proper solid TARDIS.
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  It's not a cardboard. It's a bit cardboard that isn't
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  actually. Something.
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  They've got a Tardis, they've really gone to town on it, it
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  looked. Quite genuine and what I love in
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  all of these videos is that they use the incidental music.
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  So this is the 1980s, so all of them as it.
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  Goes on and on the last. One there was original.
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  Music and we've got now we've got the Peter Davidson title
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  sequence with. Barbara Benedicti.
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  So she looks amazing. Oh my God.
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  And we've got the the neon Doctor Who logo.
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  And I mean, this is just one episode.
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  It's a it's a full story, 30 minutes, so it doesn't know.
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  How the wrath of you and is it written?
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  By. Let's just see by.
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  Cheryl Reid. Cheryl Reid?
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  Isn't that an actor? Who am I thinking?
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  Cheryl Baker for books. I think that it could be her
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  with a N name. She's a secret crystal.
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  HP Oh my. God look straight into the
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  story. Then we go and we've got these
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  actors in. So I think they're supposed to
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  be, are they not the the X from the, I want to say Falklands
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  Walk no Vietnam? Expats.
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  Because Vietnam was around this, no And supposed to be living in
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  the in the forest, sort of in the jungle.
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  Song. That's right.
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  I mean, they don't look, they don't look quite roughed up
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  enough well to be savages living out in the jungle well.
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  That is the idea and the idea. Is they're masculine, they're
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  aggressive, you know? Rebellious 80s guy.
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  I mean, look, it's just like, it's just like attack of the
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  side. We've got knives out already it.
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  Is, I mean, it's all the sort of tropes from your 80s, Eric
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  Saywards. But with a fucking likable Dr.
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  Imagine that gang in attacking the Cybermen, but they were like
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  proper rough, hard, dangerous people.
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  What's funny? And he's got a proper knife at
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  him. I mean, this is proper drama I
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  feel. What's funny is Barbara
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  Benedetti's doctor, I'm just going to call her the Barbara
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  Dr. Yeah, she comes out the TARDIS with her Colin Baker
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  Broly and bops them all on the end and goes now stop being
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  silly boys and pay attention. They're threatening a journalist
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  here, this young guy who's obviously found out where
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  they're or what's going on or something.
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  He's got his camera, so they've threatened him and said to get
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  out there. But unbeknownst to anybody,
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  there is a sinister alien in the woods and in a minute we get
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  some fabulous Predator style POV shots.
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  So here we have journalists running away in the forest and
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  he sees the TARDIS landing. I thought he was going to become
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  another companion as well. So he's.
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  Just follow them up. Journalist, teenager, guard.
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  Look at this. That's not a bad, but it's
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  realization effects. Full-sized, Hardest landing in
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  the forest I. Mean this sort of thing we
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  wanted Colin Baker to be doing, landing in Vietnam, not in.
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  Vietnam, and she's in her. She's still in the Colin Baker
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  costume at the moment. Oh no, she goes in in a second.
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  But later on she gets changed. In the minute, I think because.
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  It's implied that you know she's just regenerating.
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  That coat is massive on her though, isn't it?
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  I know it. Doesn't fit well.
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  A bit like the best of McCoy. She's lost inside Colin's coat.
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  And Carl the chimney sweep is just accepting and everything.
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  He's got his top hat wearing the whole time, which I quite like.
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  His bow tie, say. You went on to act.
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  I'd do more acting. So yeah, so Carl.
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  Carl is played by. Hold please call us.
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  I called Randy Rogal, Randy Rogal and he is very much into
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  sort of musical theatre in the Oh my God business.
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  That comes in important in the second episode.
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  But I mean, from what I can see, he's famous for writing for
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  Animaniacs and sort of comedy stuff from Tiny Toon Adventures
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  was the Animaniac. He's done the book for that.
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  And I think he does sort of Broadway he's sort of involved
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  in in that style. But I think, you know, just
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  like, yeah, British fans of the, you know, your Nick Briggs and,
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  yeah, Steven Moffatz and that who's sort of involved in that,
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  I feel like this is the American equivalent.
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  And they've gone on to do, you know, bigger things since.
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  What what, what is great about them as well, though not only do
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  they have actually genuinely good chemistry, but the visual
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  of of when she comes out wearing a Napoleon costume and him as
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  the chimney sweep. Like I always say, the doctrine
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  of Panthers should have a distinctive outline, and they
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  really do. They're.
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  Brilliantly getting very much with the 80s they've got across
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  you and they're not changing from episode to episode.
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  And so the the doctor very shortly we'll see does change
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  her outfit. It's wonderful.
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  So it's like all beige with your.
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  What do you call? Napoleonic.
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  It's it's Napoleonic. Imagine Napoleon's outfit but
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  all beige and. Stylish, old, tailored.
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  And she's got an umbrella and it's very stylised.
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  It looks like a piece of fan art come to life.
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  When when she comes back in the in the second, third and 4th
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  ones. She's a bit.
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  More She switches it up to sort of Romana, Reds Romana, but it's
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  the same costume. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So they're, they're talking to the journalist now and obviously
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  we're getting all the explanation of the TARDIS and
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  the Doctor and. Carl's just going, oh, oh, well,
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  I guess that does make sense, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. And there is a mention about how
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  we used to be a man or something like that.
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  But it's, yeah, it's glossed over very quickly.
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  I could see why you would think this journalist might actually
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  be another companion, I thought, because he doesn't.
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  But he's the first to die, isn't he?
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  Yes, so they're sort of discovering where they are and
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  but the script, I mean it doesn't, I mean we, we've
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  watched a couple of other fan films on here and I think
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  they're all very keen to get to a cool bit or to show a Cyberman
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  or to do something. A Doctor Who monster or a Doctor
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  Who villain? Although we do get there.
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  In this series here is it just takes his time, like a proper
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  script. You're exploring, you're giving
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  these characters time, you're cutting away to other
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  characters, setting the scene. May I say something?
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  It feels like big. Finish.
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  Can you watch the Mark of Yukon please?
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  This is how it's done in. My God outfit.
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  She's got a blue sort of Necker chief as well.
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  Corvac. Yeah.
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  Oh, she looks wonderful. But so she's sort of got a bit
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  of a clipped upper class accent, hasn't she?
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  And she's. Playing it very much like that,
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  yes. Yes.
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  She's like, oh, come on, Carl. Come on, Carl.
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  Honestly, stop dawdling about the target.
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  Let's go. And he's just happy to to go.
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  In a minute, in a minute, all these Vietnam fugs stop like
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  brandishing knives at her and she just literally just brushes
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  them aside like they don't matter.
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  This Carl, is how Attic should have been your aunt.
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  Gotcha. Perfect.
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  This is genuine, actual Adric from Victorian times, artful
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  dodgery style. And he's and he's scared and
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  then she's like, oh Carl, you need to go and distract.
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  You know, later on she's like, you need to go and distract
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  these people. And he's like, he's scared, but
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  he goes and does it and he just, whatever she says.
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  He will do that for the the good of, you know, everything.
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  And he just gets on with it and he's up into the adventure.
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  What's great though about the two of them is in the second
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  one, you get a feeling they've sort of been together a little
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  while. He's sort of eating snacks and
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  size. In the third one, they just turn
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  up halfway through the story and they're just an absolute pair by
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  that point, you can tell. And then in the last one, which
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  I won't give any spoilers about, but it was amazing, You feel
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  like they've been together forever.
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  And think about the Doctor here. She does quite, She's got comedy
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  lines and she does it really well.
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  So she's just picked up the medallion and she's like, do you
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  know what this is? And he's like, no, what?
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  And she's like, neither do I, you know, it's all that kind of
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  quippy stuff, but it's just, it's crazy.
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  And she can. She can.
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  Do. That so journalist has just been
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  killed, unfortunately. And he's died to the attack of
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  the Sidemen music. Yeah, that this is the only
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  thing if this had its own score. The last one does.
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  But as I think this is the one where you really notice.
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  It what you're. Coming, you know.
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  About this is when you go on location.
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  Yeah, on in a forest with film cameras.
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  Well, this just looks like Doctor Who.
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  It's different. From the 80s.
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  That's the thing. This is.
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  In fact, Colin Baker, in some places I've heard you berating
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  recently about the 80s editing. In some places, the editing of
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  this fan film is actually more competent.
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  I. Think it's just so well well
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  executed. I think.
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  Here she is. She's popping the the folks on
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  her head. She's brandishing her brolly
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  like a sword. She, you were just drawn to her
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  in every scene. She, she is the authority
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  figure. Yeah, she's writing.
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  I mean, if we're comparing sort of female Doctors in terms of,
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  you know, Jodie Whittaker, she. Doesn't always have.
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  I'm not saying I love her. Strange takes over.
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  If this was her, if this was Jodie Whittaker in this
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  situation, it wouldn't play out like this.
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  She wouldn't immediately walk in and have the authority of all
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  these people. She'd be she'd play it goofy.
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  And I don't know what's going on, but here you have Barbara
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  with her umbrella. Now you listen to me, Bop.
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  I am here going to put your knives away, you know.
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  Why do you think they went for a woman then?
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  Because they could have so easily gone for a man.
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  Everyone else has gone for a man in every other fan film I've
• 17:25
  ever seen. Usually the person writing it
• 17:27
  and directing it plays the doctor in Easy.
• 17:29
  You read that the guy got her, she's playing the Doctor and she
• 17:32
  genuinely thought Doctor Who was just the made-up series.
• 17:35
  So I'm guessing she's not a fan. She's an actress that they've
• 17:38
  they've got in. And she is an actress.
• 17:41
  And I think so. It's not like, oh, we're a group
• 17:44
  of fans. Excuse me, who wants to play the
• 17:46
  doctor? Oh, she will.
• 17:47
  I think it's a genuine decision to make her a female doctor.
• 17:51
  This is this. Looks like really young Doctor
• 17:53
  Who. It's a bit like the scene in the
• 17:54
  Masters Man Dragger or where the man's by the water.
• 17:56
  You know something dreadful is going to happen in many minutes.
• 17:59
  Point of view shot from. Different.
• 18:00
  Dramatic. Is it predator?
• 18:03
  Is that where they did the point of view shots?
• 18:05
  Predator it is in. The film Predator with the
• 18:07
  invisible thing in there, Yeah, yeah, I think it's got that.
• 18:10
  It's not quite as good as that, but you know, it's pretty.
• 18:12
  Good. But you're looking at these
• 18:13
  guys. It's not like, oh, they've got
• 18:15
  great costumes. It's it just fits in.
• 18:17
  You don't think of them as costumes.
• 18:19
  Roving through the grass, heading towards him.
• 18:22
  He's dead. I mean, there are some slight,
• 18:23
  slight Dodger shots here just. You know, but so sorry, Mr.
• 18:27
  amateur Filmmaker. And you're just saying, I mean,
• 18:31
  why don't you? Pick up a camera and see if you
• 18:32
  could do better if. This guy is is putting them up
• 18:34
  in HD soon for the 40th anniversary.
• 18:36
  This is. I can't wait to watch this in
• 18:38
  HD. Barbara will be watching the
• 18:40
  film, right? We'll be buying the DVD.
• 18:42
  Yeah, so now people have been picked off one by one in the
• 18:46
  forest, of course. Do you think?
• 18:48
  I think making it half an hour is a really savvy move as well.
• 18:51
  Recently I watched Time Rift, which was the John Blum fan film
• 18:55
  as a precursor to Vampire science with Brigadier Kramer
• 18:58
  and the 7th block for an ace as not played by Sylvester McCoy
• 19:02
  and Sophie Aldrid. And that was an hour long and I
• 19:05
  felt the length, if you'll pardon the pun of that, whereas
• 19:11
  this is just a knife length. It sort of slips in and out
• 19:14
  perfectly. Unless she's slowly getting
• 19:16
  these, keep calling the thugs the thug guys on board.
• 19:20
  Look how she carries herself. She is the doctor.
• 19:23
  Yeah, immediately. And they're going to listen to
• 19:25
  her in a minute and follow her. She goes, you silly man, get out
• 19:27
  of my way. Yeah, dude, she's got such
• 19:32
  authority. Yeah, so.
• 19:34
  And do you like as well how, with the four stories they did
• 19:36
  such a range of styles? Well, exactly.
• 19:39
  I mean not one of. Them is the same, they go to a
• 19:41
  forest every time. Actually present day.
• 19:45
  The historical. War in 1984 in America and then
• 19:48
  we go historical and then we go, what do we do?
• 19:51
  The third one is the it's the modern day one, but in the in
• 19:53
  the university. And then we go sort of Syrios,
• 19:57
  isn't it, Sort? Of world game style, story.
• 19:59
  I mean, I wonder how long it took to put all this together.
• 20:01
  Well, that was done over five years, so they did.
• 20:03
  But in terms of? Half an hour.
• 20:05
  I mean, they did. One every year and a half or
• 20:07
  something like that. I took a while a long time, but
• 20:09
  I think it was worth. Paying, you know, I forgot to
• 20:11
  pay all the actors and you know, the film.
• 20:14
  I think the film is expensive. I don't.
• 20:16
  Know if I choose this bit of music now?
• 20:17
  So one of the Vietnam man is walking through the forest and
• 20:21
  it's the music of the shuttle arriving in Leisure hive.
• 20:23
  Yeah, it's just the music choices that are slightly off.
• 20:27
  Yeah, but they wanted to feel like Doctor Who, don't they?
• 20:29
  They wanted to feel like Doctor Who.
• 20:30
  What's happening is there's something in this forest.
• 20:32
  So they they've, these guys have been living here a long time.
• 20:35
  One of them's been living there longer than everybody else.
• 20:37
  And he gets this feeling of some kind of energy or something in
• 20:40
  the in the forest. And there's this obelisk thing
• 20:43
  that's landed, which we're just seeing now.
• 20:45
  A bit like the the obelisk in a. Bit more than undead, isn't it?
• 20:49
  But a bit. Smaller because all these.
• 20:50
  Things are going to be fresh in their mind when they, you know,
• 20:53
  this is covering Doctor Who. In a minute you know this
• 20:56
  brilliant electricity effect flies out of the obelisk and
• 21:00
  possesses him. So I.
• 21:00
  Think we got two obelisks, have we?
• 21:02
  I'm not sure. Look at this.
• 21:03
  This I love all of the. Presence has flown.
• 21:05
  Out POV shots are great. After them and it's.
• 21:08
  Fucking Blair Witch Project. We're going to see hands on the
• 21:14
  tent any minute. Oh, I just think Carl's so
• 21:18
  great. I just look so fun and.
• 21:20
  In fact. I've seen that I.
• 21:21
  Can't talk about the second one yet, but he's the best in the
• 21:23
  second one. He's so funny, but he does a lot
• 21:26
  of comedy. Like earlier on when he was
• 21:28
  being held by one of the soldiers, he was doing like a
• 21:31
  comedy. Oh, you're straggling me face.
• 21:33
  But is it weird that her, you know, they're going through the
• 21:36
  costume? Carl's in his top hat and bow
• 21:38
  tie. The Doctor's in her outfit.
• 21:41
  They blend in more than the Doctor and Perry have done in
• 21:44
  Marcus Irani. Do you know what I mean?
• 21:46
  Because when you're watching Marcus Irani with them two,
• 21:49
  you're looking, oh, they're wearing costumes.
• 21:51
  The whole they're here, they're here, they just sort of blend
• 21:54
  in. You accept it.
• 21:55
  And why does that not work? And this works perfectly.
• 21:59
  I think what you really hit something there that actually
• 22:01
  JNT only needed to tone it down a bit for it to work.
• 22:05
  Did you see that? They just come across this dead
• 22:07
  body and the Barbara Dr. Then she just had her hands in her
• 22:10
  pockets like this is the sort of thing she sees every day.
• 22:13
  I suppose she was called a Baker recently down around murdering
• 22:16
  everybody. So she did see that's.
• 22:17
  The thing it blends, it's a costume still in terms of the
• 22:21
  Doctor is wearing something a bit unusual, but it you know,
• 22:25
  it's not like they're not going why you a clown, why you dressed
• 22:28
  up like. This, she said.
• 22:29
  The way in a way, I feel responsible.
• 22:32
  I should have warned him to stay away.
• 22:33
  So she's moral as well. Colin Baker would have gone.
• 22:36
  Never mind. Let's move on another body.
• 22:41
  I. Wonder if these were shown at
• 22:43
  conventions at the time. Should have been watch these.
• 22:46
  Listen, we're hoping we're going to entice you people because
• 22:49
  they've only had they've only had 900 watches on YouTube, but.
• 22:52
  No, there's another note. This is posted twice.
• 22:54
  The other one's had 11,000. Oh great, I think.
• 22:57
  That Barbara Dr. has had some exposure.
• 23:00
  Were you a fan at the time, listeners?
• 23:02
  Did you? Are you aware of this, Doctor?
• 23:04
  I mean, I think these fan films and these fan doctors even up to
• 23:09
  now have their big followings, don't they?
• 23:11
  If you're in, if you're into that and if into that, but I
• 23:14
  just never. Nathan.
• 23:15
  I'll make Nathan. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:16
  He's done his own fan films and they're very well made, aren't
• 23:19
  they? Yeah, I think there was this
• 23:21
  sort of a resurgent around the new series, sort of.
• 23:24
  Everyone listening, can I ask you, would you like Mark and I
• 23:27
  to make our own Doctor Who fan film?
• 23:30
  We could never compete with Barbara.
• 23:32
  Oh. No.
• 23:35
  I just love the Doctor. I just want all.
• 23:37
  I want books, I want audios. I want more of the Doctor and
• 23:40
  Carl and their adventures. I really do.
• 23:43
  Ask you a question, is Barbara a genuine Dr. for you now for.
• 23:47
  Now I will listen my favorite doctor.
• 23:50
  Honestly, I just, I just honestly the scripts are
• 23:54
  brilliant. They are great, yeah.
• 23:56
  They just flow so easy. There's no nothing clunky about
• 23:59
  it. There's.
• 23:59
  Nothing to say the script shouldn't be brilliant because
• 24:01
  like a lot of big finishing. That I've written by fan.
• 24:03
  I'm just saying compared to some of the other fan films we've
• 24:05
  seen. Oh, fair, you know, Yeah.
• 24:07
  You know, it's not just we're in a forest because it looks cool
• 24:10
  or anything. She says come on guys.
• 24:11
  Standing in the forest, having genuine dialogue, it's building
• 24:14
  up an atmosphere slowly and she slowly.
• 24:17
  It's taken, you know, it's not just straight away, it's taken a
• 24:20
  few scenes for her to convince these guys to come with her and
• 24:23
  there's something alien happening.
• 24:24
  You know what? All this location work reminds
• 24:26
  me of in the forest. Full circle.
• 24:28
  Oh, Deadly Assassin episode three?
• 24:30
  Really. No, that sort of lush forest
• 24:33
  going from. Yeah.
• 24:35
  Are we in? Hang on, Seattle.
• 24:36
  Where are we? Is that America or Canada?
• 24:38
  Oh God. No.
• 24:39
  Is it supposed to be America? Is it supposed to be England?
• 24:42
  I suppose would be America because they're Americans, but
• 24:45
  the Seattle film thing, they're a little local at the front.
• 24:47
  It's that it's that viewing tower in Seattle.
• 24:50
  It's in Grey's Anatomy. We're.
• 24:53
  Very familiar with grey. Not Grey's Anatomy.
• 24:55
  It's Seattle. There's another.
• 24:56
  Thing we watched recently with that in and you said is it
• 24:58
  there? Oh, that Netflix documentary
• 25:00
  about the murder is. This A2 part.
• 25:02
  No, this is part. One, Are you sure?
• 25:03
  Yeah. Is it a two-part?
• 25:04
  No, it's just 1/2 an hour. Oh, is it really?
• 25:08
  Yeah, we didn't. We'd have no they.
• 25:09
  Haven't even got to the the power station yet and we're 25
• 25:12
  minutes in. It's going to be wrapped up very
• 25:16
  quickly like the new series. So yeah, they're they're finding
• 25:19
  these. Gods.
• 25:20
  And to be fair, that does look like a 1980s Doctor Who prop.
• 25:24
  It looks like the thing in the five Doctors in wrestle with the
• 25:26
  writing on. It's that stone thing.
• 25:29
  It's it's one of those just. Without the writing on it.
• 25:32
  Yeah, See, look, look at them there, Barbara.
• 25:35
  And what's his name again? Carl in silhouette?
• 25:38
  Absolutely. You know who they are.
• 25:40
  Straight framing. Of everything is done very
• 25:42
  professionally. Yeah, well, like, you know, you
• 25:44
  could put, I don't know, Ruby Sunday and Rose Tyler instead of
• 25:46
  where you'll be able to tell which is which, which are.
• 25:49
  This guy is quite good. I mean we we noticed watching
• 25:52
  over the four, there's a few people that double large and
• 25:55
  play other parts in other stories.
• 25:56
  One of these soldiers is so hot. Look at him, he's got big
• 26:00
  luscious lips. He's about to get taken over.
• 26:02
  Yeah, and he has an evil voice. It makes him even sexier.
• 26:07
  Here we go. Oh, Carl, that was a good
• 26:09
  transition. Carl has has gone off and he's
• 26:11
  found this medallion they found earlier.
• 26:13
  He's realized that it matches the logo that's on the obelisk.
• 26:17
  I mean, this is surely he should be experienced a bit of culture
• 26:20
  shock, Carl. He does take it in his stride.
• 26:22
  He's very much so. I do, that's what I like.
• 26:25
  He's usually shoving his bum up a chimney.
• 26:27
  So like he's like, this is actually preferable.
• 26:29
  Yeah, he's he's saying here comes that special effects now
• 26:32
  the green. Electricity.
• 26:33
  He's about to unleash the energy, no?
• 26:36
  Ucor. Ucor yes.
• 26:38
  The evil UCOR. I couldn't.
• 26:40
  Did you figure out what his plan was?
• 26:41
  He wanted to steal all the electricity.
• 26:43
  It's an it's an alien species that's come in this like obelisk
• 26:46
  thing, this pod thing, and I think they're prisoners from
• 26:50
  somewhere. Oh, that's right.
• 26:51
  Look, that medallion you mentioned earlier.
• 26:53
  He's accidentally unleashed it and she's gone.
• 26:55
  Oh no. She goes to him car.
• 26:58
  Why did you do that and he goes well, I figured that fitted in
• 27:02
  there and we've. Got some lovely We've obviously
• 27:05
  got a Fireworker Roman candle coming out of the obelisk as the
• 27:10
  explosion, which is fair enough. Oh, look at him on the grass.
• 27:13
  Look, the doctor. And Carl, Carl, it's, it's that
• 27:16
  same Carl, one day you and I need to have a long talk about
• 27:22
  alien artifacts. It's just like that, isn't it?
• 27:25
  We get there, we get there. There's a wonderful bit, I can't
• 27:29
  remember which episode is in, where she goes.
• 27:31
  Carl, what would you say to a salami sandwich?
• 27:34
  And he goes, I'd say hello. And she goes.
• 27:37
  Come along, Carl. So here we are.
• 27:41
  We've got our our Don't you have a star that's been taken over?
• 27:45
  I love her shoulder tussles, you know.
• 27:48
  Oh my God. Electric flying out everywhere
• 27:50
  it must. Have been difficult to put your
• 27:52
  video effects or your you know. What that electric just?
• 27:54
  Effects me of over the top on film once you've developed.
• 27:57
  It he looks so hot now. He's evil, doesn't he?
• 27:59
  If you like hot guys, check out The Wrath of You Call.
• 28:04
  He's like, you look a bit like a muscly Christian Schmidt, don't
• 28:07
  you think? Yeah, he is, isn't he?
• 28:09
  Yeah. You know the electricity effect,
• 28:11
  It reminds me of that dreadful electricity effect you had in
• 28:14
  roads. Remember when it was all coming
• 28:15
  out of the the London Eye, that sort of electric?
• 28:19
  They're both blue. Yeah, yes, here we go.
• 28:25
  So he's been, he got taken over and he had the evil, you know,
• 28:28
  hybrid token over voice and now it's it's whooshed off to the
• 28:31
  nearest power state. Sexy and that can you do a sexy
• 28:33
  evil taken over voice. I'll try I am you core.
• 28:38
  I will use my electricity in the power station to take over all
• 28:42
  of the earth. So it needs the power station.
• 28:44
  So now they're all going to be off to the TARDIS.
• 28:47
  The very 1980s. Off to the TARDIS to the next.
• 28:50
  The awakening, you know. Black walking and I love her
• 28:53
  umbrella. It's a it's a white and red
• 28:56
  stripe. The umbrella did.
• 28:57
  You see what she did there? She just stabbed it in the
• 28:58
  ground outside the cars and goes, come along everyone, let's
• 29:01
  go in. And so we've only got two thug
• 29:05
  guys left, so we've got the one thug guy that they've convinced
• 29:08
  and the other one that got taken over.
• 29:09
  So he's a bit weak after he's just been taken over.
• 29:12
  So they're all going into the TARDIS now, Karl?
• 29:14
  Keeps doing the awful Dodger thing of taking his hat off and
• 29:19
  playing with his hair just like the awful Dodger.
• 29:21
  Did you see that? I said when in she's like
• 29:23
  patting them all on the back. Come on now, in you go.
• 29:25
  Comedy. So she's she's shut the TARDIS
• 29:28
  door and then she's come out and she's whacked it with her
• 29:30
  umbrella and gone in and it's D material.
• 29:32
  Oh my God. I mean, if Colin did that, it
• 29:34
  would have been wonderful. Look, where are we now?
• 29:38
  We're in a genuine power station somewhere.
• 29:40
  They've had permission to fill. I don't think they've got
• 29:42
  permission if well. They land the whole TARDIS right
• 29:45
  outside. That's a house right next door
• 29:47
  to a power station. Oh.
• 29:49
  Look, yeah, you can tell this abroad.
• 29:50
  Look at those trees. They're gorgeous.
• 29:52
  And. We've got a bit of fog here, you
• 29:54
  know, they've really thought about it.
• 29:55
  You know, they've not just plucked the TARDIS down.
• 29:57
  They've got the atmosphere, they've got the.
• 29:58
  I think the tell, the tell in these fan films, between a good
• 30:02
  one and a bad one, is the editing.
• 30:04
  If it's seamlessly edited, Oh no.
• 30:07
  The joke here, right, is that they haven't gone straight to
• 30:09
  the power station. They've gone back in time and
• 30:12
  then she's had to do a few hops to get here to the right place,
• 30:15
  and there's an arrow on the side of the TARDIS.
• 30:17
  And she goes, well, it's not my fault I can't do the controls,
• 30:20
  you know? Oh, if you're if you're a
• 30:22
  stickler for TARDIS windows, don't watch this, because we've
• 30:24
  only got windows on one on the doors, we don't have any on the
• 30:27
  side. Here, the Barbara Dr. has her
• 30:29
  own target. About that, yes, she's got her
• 30:32
  own design target. She is unique, yeah.
• 30:35
  The doors don't aren't the right, the windows aren't the
• 30:37
  right size. I'm just saying.
• 30:39
  It doesn't matter. Don't be shocked when you watch
• 30:42
  this. Oh my God.
• 30:44
  Sent off Carl though to secure the power station.
• 30:47
  So the guys just she's giving him a knife and off he goes to
• 30:51
  tie everyone up and to to make sure they don't get is this the
• 30:55
  one sent away does. She use her feminine walls to
• 30:57
  distract the guard. Oh no, that was another one we
• 30:59
  watched, wasn't it? That was a completely
• 31:02
  development. Oh my God, that was the
• 31:04
  Australian one. We watched with the look alike
• 31:07
  of Sam Jones. Listen, this is the warning to
• 31:10
  you that once you start down these fan films you just want to
• 31:13
  see, you won't start. We'll we'll tell you the link to
• 31:16
  the John Perry one as well with the Master.
• 31:18
  That one's amazing. Oh no, the power station people
• 31:23
  have been tied up and gagged. Yukor has arrived.
• 31:27
  Oh my God, it's all going on now.
• 31:29
  And very clever that the alien is either taken over by
• 31:32
  somebody, played by a human, or it's just an invisible voice.
• 31:38
  We're not having to build alien creatures.
• 31:40
  In fact, all of these ones we've watched, we've not had any.
• 31:43
  You know, no one's gone to town and made their own dialect or
• 31:46
  made their own. I mean, you know, creature that
• 31:48
  might not come off the way that you want it to.
• 31:50
  We watched more in the script and the people and the
• 31:52
  characters. We watched a big budget movie,
• 31:54
  Marley and Me yesterday and and even with a huge What's Marley
• 31:59
  and Me? That's the Jennifer Aniston
• 32:00
  comic. She is a monster.
• 32:03
  No that. Can me the 1980s ET rip off?
• 32:07
  A cheap one, but they had a bit of money and even they can do
• 32:09
  aliens that well. Look at Barbara marching into
• 32:14
  the power station she is in. That bitch is in total control
• 32:18
  and. She's getting straight on with
• 32:21
  it. She's putting her device onto
• 32:22
  the power thing. So when the evil alien comes
• 32:26
  down, Oh no, we've got, we've got a slight extra bit here.
• 32:30
  So the guy that was taken over, he's waking up in the TARDIS.
• 32:33
  Now, we don't ever see a TARDIS console room in any of these we
• 32:36
  see. A white interior, don't we?
• 32:38
  Yeah. We see plain white.
• 32:39
  That's all they can. Afford sparsely decorated,
• 32:41
  exactly like you see the 1980s. Imagine the 1980s TARDIS is
• 32:46
  without the interiors, without the roundels.
• 32:48
  That's it. That's you know, you're a pop
• 32:49
  plan. You're old Wicker.
• 32:51
  It's basically the TARDIS from the Invasion of Time.
• 32:54
  Just white rooms. Yeah.
• 32:56
  And so he's been taken. Over and he was going to steal
• 32:59
  the TARDIS, but they they didn't.
• 33:01
  Imagine in this kind of Baker time if you had someone come out
• 33:03
  the TARDIS possessed like that. It would be the best cliffhanger
• 33:06
  ever. I think they know how to fill
• 33:09
  this not. Phase our doctor here though no
• 33:12
  Oh Oh well he's threatening car now he's no would.
• 33:15
  You be threatening. He just shot him.
• 33:17
  He shot him with his electric bulbs.
• 33:18
  He's. Going to keep.
• 33:19
  Killing, Oh my God. Zapping car.
• 33:21
  Xbox are great aren't they? They look they look like me when
• 33:24
  I do a scribble on the. Page so but we but the Doctor
• 33:28
  has already set up oh, excuse me, the power thing.
• 33:31
  Oh my God, she just had she had a massive crash zoom, traumatic
• 33:35
  zoom. Then she's off.
• 33:37
  She's got one to get to the power that was.
• 33:39
  Her. That was her doctor moment.
• 33:41
  No, her doctor moment was the first scene, wasn't it?
• 33:43
  Let's be honest. She's carrying an umbrella
• 33:45
  everywhere she goes, even all the action seekers.
• 33:48
  What was the Doctor's side? One on my side.
• 33:50
  Barbara Benedessi is the one. She just got it and she does the
• 33:53
  techno Babble stuff like very convincingly.
• 33:56
  Tell me she's going to climb up that pylon is.
• 33:59
  She we're going to get some home.
• 34:00
  This is really clever. I don't know if you noticed
• 34:02
  this. So she's she's at the bottom of
• 34:03
  this Gerda thing and she's whacking it with her umbrella
• 34:06
  and as she whacks it, the sparks fly off.
• 34:09
  So it's obviously set up. They've set up some charges.
• 34:11
  So when she whacks it, it goes off.
• 34:13
  Very clever, technically done, and I'm not sure when they're
• 34:16
  allowed to set off these she. She hits it, the spark goes off
• 34:19
  and then it very quickly cuts. So it's a very dramatic cut,
• 34:24
  really clever. And look at the authority she's
• 34:27
  got here. Get the fuck off.
• 34:29
  Planet Earth. You got scared of Earth?
• 34:32
  Well, no, but she's so lovely, really.
• 34:34
  And there we go, all done. She's Barbara Benedetti, Doctor
• 34:38
  said. It she just talked him away.
• 34:40
  What does she? Yeah, she zapped him away with
• 34:41
  her thing. She basically did the Babylon
• 34:43
  Five thing and said get the hell out of this Galaxy.
• 34:45
  So this also starred Jim Dean. As.
• 34:48
  Grant, Heavy, Macaulay. As Harris.
• 34:52
  Michael. Smith as Tate as Wallace.
• 34:56
  Oh. George County Who is the Sexy 1?
• 34:59
  I don't know. Check him out on Facebook.
• 35:00
  Later. So yeah, I mean.
• 35:04
  Just give it, he said. Theme said something.
• 35:09
  Cameraman, wait. They've recreated.
• 35:10
  Excuse me, so we have the I. Think 80s Alex Gonzalez.
• 35:14
  He needs some credit because I didn't see one boom in this.
• 35:17
  No. And you see a lot of booms in
• 35:18
  these fan films. Who is the editor that's sound?
• 35:22
  That's sound effects story. Story editors No, no, we want
• 35:26
  it's. A full cast of people.
• 35:27
  Designer Janice Finley. Go on, Janice.
• 35:30
  Oh, she designed that fabulous costume.
• 35:34
  Director Ryan K Johnson. We salute you, Sir.
• 35:38
  Well done. I mean, for the first try of
• 35:40
  this, this might not. This isn't probably my favorite
• 35:46
  of the bar. This is.
• 35:48
  Just a great start. It's a.
• 35:49
  Great introduction. As you go through they get they
• 35:52
  only get better and better and the quality goes.
• 35:54
  The last one is the best. But if you're thinking 1984 home
• 35:58
  cine camera, yeah, if you're doing what you can in a forest.
• 36:02
  You know, I normally do three fabulous things.
• 36:04
  Yeah, well, because there's sort of short ones.
• 36:06
  We'll do one fabulous thing and I know what you're going to
• 36:08
  choose. What just, I'm going to say the
• 36:11
  script and just the the crafting of the script and the characters
• 36:15
  of the Doctor. No, no one call one.
• 36:20
  I can't choose one. Well, I'm going to choose
• 36:23
  Barbara Benedetti as the Doctor, of course, purely because no
• 36:26
  way. Because that cow bag walks
• 36:29
  straight into this show and owns it from the 1st frame.
• 36:32
  She stands up and call it Megasco and she's like, no, no,
• 36:35
  I am the Doctor. It helps that she doesn't know
• 36:37
  what Doctor Who is and just going into this and just getting
• 36:39
  the script. Remember, we needed four
• 36:41
  episodes of The Twin Dilemma to be convinced that that man
• 36:44
  strangling Perry was the doctor. When he says that, he says at
• 36:46
  the end, you know, whether you like it or not.
• 36:48
  She stands up at the in the first scene and goes I'm the
• 36:51
  doctor and you believe. Her straight into it, yeah.
• 36:54
  She gets to be funny, you know, whacking the TARDIS to make it
• 36:58
  materialize, the jokes with the arrow, but she gets to be so
• 37:02
  authoritative as well, smacking that pile on and saying get the
• 37:05
  hell off the earth. And I think there must be fans
• 37:07
  of this doctor out there because someone, us, someone on that
• 37:10
  Facebook group mocked, mocked up the, you know, the Blu-ray
• 37:13
  collection and and it was Barbara Benedetti season one
• 37:18
  with her on there. So there must be fans nowadays.
• 37:21
  I no, I would love it. Oh my God.
• 37:24
  You know, Mark and I was recently out of fabulous Bedford
• 37:27
  Con and they were selling cheapo fan films and now I'm scared
• 37:33
  that Barbara Benedetti's collection was in there
• 37:35
  somewhere. Don't think so.
• 37:36
  No, all those stars, Sophie Aldridge, didn't they?
• 37:39
  And can we say yes, I've got to get one, mention him.
• 37:42
  But the fact that they didn't go to the lengths of flying out
• 37:45
  Sophie Aldridge and getting there in this wait, wait, come
• 37:48
  on, don't stop there. Because one of the ones we
• 37:51
  watched. She she went.
• 37:54
  And absolutely ghastly. No, all we needed was Barbara,
• 37:58
  Dr. and Carl. Oh.
• 38:00
  Absolutely. Well, please give it a go.
• 38:01
  Can you tell? Everybody what episode 2 is?
• 38:04
  What is the second? One.
• 38:05
  Hang on, it's there. Look.
• 38:06
  The man the. The the second episode of this
• 38:10
  doctor is called Visions of a Trumo, a Trumo, a Trumo.
• 38:17
  We'll be back for visions of O Trumo 1985.
• 38:22
  Next time, say goodbye. Bye.