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Neonatal Doctor's Dark Web Plans to Kidnap/Torture Estranged Wife in Bid to Get Her Back · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I've told the story many,
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Speaker 1: many times about how I went into really early labor
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Speaker 1: and gave birth to the twins over six weeks early,
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Speaker 1: and they would have died, specifically Lucy, he was born
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Speaker 1: at two pounds had it not been for the neo
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Speaker 1: natal doctors that truly saved their lives. So when I
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Speaker 1: think of a neo natal doctor, I think the women
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Speaker 1: and men, the doctors, the nurses, the crew that saved
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Speaker 1: my children's life, many of whom I'm still in touch with.
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Speaker 1: I really don't think of a neo natal doctor being
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Speaker 1: taken down by the FBI after trying to find someone
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Speaker 1: on the dark Web to kidnap and drug. This is
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Speaker 1: strange Wife crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When I think
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Speaker 1: of a neonatal doctor, I don't think of a neonatal
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Speaker 1: doctor being taken down by the FBI because he's been
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Speaker 1: shopping on the dark web to have his wife kidnapped. Well,
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Speaker 1: apparently that's exactly what happened with me. An all star
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Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again.
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Speaker 1: James Daniels, Director Investigations, Blocktrace, dot Com expert and cryptocurrency
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Speaker 1: and the Dark web. You know there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: crazy people on the dark web. Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: court TV anchor at Astley Wilcott dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior and you can find
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Speaker 1: her at panther Mitigation dot com. Justice Scott Morgan, Professor forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, Author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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Speaker 1: and star of a hit series Pikedon Massacre on iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 1: Dan Shilling, safety expert, former Lieutenant USAF, thirty year special
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Speaker 1: opts now author of the Power of Awareness The Power
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Speaker 1: books dot com. But first, let's go straight out to
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Helly Gunther. You can find her at k
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Speaker 1: h Q TV. Helly, What a story? First of all,
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Speaker 1: who is this guy? Doctor Ryn? You'll take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot com. Urkda a
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Speaker 1: neonatologist specializes in pre term babies and newborns, the diagnosis
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Speaker 1: and treatment of conditions such as breathing disorderous infections, and
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Speaker 1: birth defects. That's why doctor Ronald craig Ill does and
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Speaker 1: he's successful. The fifty five year old doctor came from
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Speaker 1: an Oregon town a fewer than four thousand people, then
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Speaker 1: moved to Portland for his training before settling in a
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Speaker 1: small community outside Spokan. During his seventeen year career, il
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Speaker 1: worked his way up to chief medical director of a
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Speaker 1: multi state neonatology management group. He gets married, but the
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Speaker 1: couple divorces. Not long after, ill Green marries an esthetician
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Speaker 1: fifteen years his junior. They have a three year old son,
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Speaker 1: so he's got the one wife. They divorce and he
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Speaker 1: gets a second wife, much younger wife. They have a
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Speaker 1: three year old son. But of course, why is it
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Speaker 1: with man no offense? Men? Why is it you've got everything?
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Speaker 1: Yeah have to chase a skirt? Why take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our France at crime online dot com cutb. Gilg's
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Speaker 1: personal life and a professional life begin to falter. Ilgs
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Speaker 1: bosses ask him to step down as corporate medical director. Reportedly,
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Speaker 1: the medical group received two complaints, one alleging harassment against
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Speaker 1: a coworker and one about his scheduling practices. An HR
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Speaker 1: investigation is launched and the atmosphere in the office is tense. Eventually,
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Speaker 1: Ilg is asked to resign. He refuses, so the company
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Speaker 1: eliminates his position altogether. ILG files a lawsuit. Other legal
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Speaker 1: action is taking place as well. Gild's wife files for divorce. Oh,
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Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, Helly Gunther, I need a shrink
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Speaker 1: right now before I even get the facts. Hold on
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz. Why is it that when the marriage
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Speaker 1: goes sideways, everything else seemingly falters. So many times everything
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Speaker 1: went straight down the crapper. Why would you cheat on
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Speaker 1: your spouse when you have this wonderful family, You've got
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Speaker 1: a great job, you've got a great wife, you've got
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Speaker 1: a three year old child. Why. Yeah, it doesn't seemed
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Speaker 1: like he had absolutely everything going for him. He was
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Speaker 1: a well respected doctor. We had heard glowing reviews from,
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Speaker 1: you know, some of the families he had worked with,
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Speaker 1: some of these babies that he had had saved, and
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Speaker 1: he really let everything that he had going for him,
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Speaker 1: everything in the world, just go. And you know, do you,
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Speaker 1: James Daniels. People always say, oh, Nancy Grace hates man.
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Speaker 1: That's not true. We love man. I just don't like
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Speaker 1: men that commit felonies. That's my problem with men. So
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Speaker 1: James Daniels I'm just gonna go to you and just
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Speaker 1: got Morgan and Dan shilling what is wrong with men?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong. Well, there
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Speaker 1: is something wrong with this guy. He's got the first wife,
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Speaker 1: they get a divorce. Now, at the beginning, I'd say, well,
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Speaker 1: it was probably fifty fifty. But then you get the
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Speaker 1: second wife, and then they get a divorce, and they've
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Speaker 1: got a three year old son, and I'm starting to wonder, Wow,
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Speaker 1: what's the common connection between all this? It's him, you
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Speaker 1: know what? Hold on just a moment, Jackie playcutsy missus
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Speaker 1: ILG proceeds with the divorce, even as Ronald I begs
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Speaker 1: his wife to make their relationship work her him and
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend. According to the stop right there? Did you
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Speaker 1: hear that, James Daniels. Now you just said there's nothing wrong,
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Speaker 1: but he wants to have his wife work out the marriage,
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Speaker 1: the relationship between him, her and his girlfriend. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: definitely something wrong with him. I was just saying men
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Speaker 1: in general. So yeah, clearly he's got some serious issues
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Speaker 1: going on. Look, I'm not saying women don't cheat, but
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Speaker 1: and of course this is anecdotal, but as she willcott,
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Speaker 1: I've got a very very strong suspicion, a strong belief
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Speaker 1: that more men cheat and break up the marriage. I
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Speaker 1: will tell you it sure us feel that way and
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Speaker 1: seem that way. And I feel like when men cheat,
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Speaker 1: they go big. They don't just I kiss someone, take
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Speaker 1: O big and they just take what they want. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: why can't you have a not that I approve of this.
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Speaker 1: I don't want you to a fleeting affair. Keep it
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Speaker 1: to yourself. Don't consess to your wife and ruin the
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Speaker 1: relationship and end up in a divorce. Now, see that
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Speaker 1: goes against everything I believe about being completely honest. But
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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, doctor Sherry Schwartz, this may help
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Speaker 1: you in your practice as a psychologist. Do you remember,
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Speaker 1: dear Abby, Yes, because if you read, I remember it's
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Speaker 1: a little girl. When people still read the paper, we
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Speaker 1: would get the paper and I would always read to
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Speaker 1: your abbey, and about once a week some spouse would
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Speaker 1: write in I had a fleeing. I can't believe I did.
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Speaker 1: It was so stupid. I don't know what I was thinking.
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Speaker 1: I want to tell my wife, should I She's like, no,
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Speaker 1: just work on your marriage and don't do it again.
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Speaker 1: Don't drag her down, as I like to say, down
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Speaker 1: the crapper with you. Work on your marriage, make it better,
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Speaker 1: be the man she deserves, but don't burden her with
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Speaker 1: what you've done. You may not ever be able to
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Speaker 1: repair it. Now, you know, I don't know. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a shrike. I'm just a JD. But that makes sense
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Speaker 1: to me, you know, because if David jumped up and
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Speaker 1: told me I had an affair, well, he'd have to
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Speaker 1: go bye and they would ruin the whole family. But
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Speaker 1: I would have to do it exactly. And the thing
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Speaker 1: is with cheating, Men and women, by the way, tend
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Speaker 1: to cheat for different reasons. Women tend and this is
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Speaker 1: a generalization, but women tend to cheat for you know,
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Speaker 1: emotional reasons, maybe because their husband isn't there. And that
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Speaker 1: doesn't make it okay, I'm not making excuses. Men tend
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Speaker 1: to cheat more because it's a drive for sex, new
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Speaker 1: sex with somebody different. So basically, it doesn't matter if
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Speaker 1: the person is prettier, smarter, more educated, funnier. It's just
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Speaker 1: something strange. It's just something different, right exactly, And very
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Speaker 1: often the other woman inspected that. And now I'm hearing
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Speaker 1: it from an official forensic psychologist. Okay, you know what, guys,
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Speaker 1: somehow I'm gonna blame it on you. Jackie. We've gotten
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Speaker 1: off the course about what is wrong with men? Okay,
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Speaker 1: and according to James Daniels, nothing is wrong with men. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's something wrong with this guy. Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace here. He is a neo natal doc her at
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Speaker 1: the top of his game. Didn't I just hear that
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Speaker 1: he had gotten promoted to the point he was running
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Speaker 1: a multi state neo natal management group. Good Gravy. Danny
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Speaker 1: jumps up and tells his wife he wants second wife.
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Speaker 1: He wants to work out the relationship between him, her
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Speaker 1: and his girlfriend. Okay, wait a minute, I got to
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Speaker 1: hear that one more time. Could you play that again?
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Speaker 1: Cutsy missus. ILG proceeds with the divorce, even as Ronald
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Speaker 1: I begs his wife to make their relationship work her
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Speaker 1: him and his girlfriend. According to the wife, ILK has
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Speaker 1: been having an affair for more than two years. Ilk
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Speaker 1: bombards his wife with hundreds of text messages, offering to
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Speaker 1: pay her if she would drop the divorce. She doesn't.
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Speaker 1: In fact, she files for an order of protection. She
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Speaker 1: claims Ilk parks outside her workplace and threatens to show
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Speaker 1: up at her house at night to find out if
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Speaker 1: she's stating some one. He also placed tracking devices on
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Speaker 1: her car and cell phone on at least three separate occasions,
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Speaker 1: According to Atha David's he told her they were for
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Speaker 1: her own protection. Okay, you know what, I've totally ignored.
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Speaker 1: The one person joining us today that knows all the
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Speaker 1: facts around this so I could rant about the husband,
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Speaker 1: the wife and the girlfriend being in a happy relationship.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is Haley Gunther, investigative reporter and
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Speaker 1: anchor at KHQTV. Haley, let me understand this. So he's
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Speaker 1: now on a second wife. They've got a three year
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Speaker 1: old child, and he has had a girlfriend for two years.
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Speaker 1: So when the baby's one year old, he launches an affair.
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Speaker 1: That's basically what is laid out in court documents. And
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Speaker 1: you know, it does appear that, you know, Haley, do
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Speaker 1: you have children, Hailly? Do you have to have? I
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Speaker 1: have two little boys, and then you know exactly what
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Speaker 1: it's what's going on when the child is much less
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Speaker 1: with twins, but the child is one year old, you're
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Speaker 1: they're still not sleeping, You're up all night long. I
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Speaker 1: just happened to walk by Emir and I went, oh,
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Speaker 1: dear lord, what isn't that when the twins are about
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Speaker 1: sixteen months old? I mean, and in the middle of
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Speaker 1: all this, he has an affair. Now I'm not asking
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Speaker 1: for names, but who's he having an affair with? It's
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Speaker 1: unclear how how exactly he met this woman that he
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Speaker 1: ended up to see for um gosh at least? But
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Speaker 1: what is she? What? Is she an anatsiologist? Is she
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Speaker 1: another doctor? Is she a nurse? Does she work at
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Speaker 1: the vitamin Street? A whole lot about Haley. I need
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Speaker 1: to tell all the details. We do a professional reason,
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Speaker 1: of course, not because I have a prurient interest. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so he's having an affair, but I can tell you
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Speaker 1: this much. When you don't know a horse. Look at
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Speaker 1: his track record. He dumps wife number one for a
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Speaker 1: woman fifteen years younger. I guarantee you the girlfriend is
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Speaker 1: a newer model. Does anybody you want to argue with
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Speaker 1: me about that? Joe Scott Morgan? No, Nancy, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to argue with you about it. But I don't
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Speaker 1: like your tone checking track records. I like the way
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Speaker 1: you say that. It seems like somebody should have checked
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Speaker 1: this doctor's track record before they got involved with him.
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Speaker 1: To be perfectly honest with I'm trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: how this whole thing unfolds, So let's just leave it
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Speaker 1: right there with the wife not really too happy about
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Speaker 1: the scenario of a close knit relationship with her husband
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Speaker 1: and his lover. Take a listen right now in our
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Speaker 1: cut one. This is Morgan trou at k R e M.
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Speaker 1: The FBI describes it as a tale of jealousy, bitcoin
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Speaker 1: and the dark wet agent say doctor Ronald Ilg, who
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Speaker 1: is going through a messing divorce with his wife, tried
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Speaker 1: to solicit someone on the dark web to kidnap her
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Speaker 1: and assault her. Investigators say ild tried to arrange the
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Speaker 1: crime to happen while he was in Mexico with his girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: but according to the FBI, his girlfriend found out about
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Speaker 1: the plot, and in texts exchange, she tells Ilg, you
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Speaker 1: hired someone to hurt your wife from the dark web
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Speaker 1: using bitcoin. Stop now leave me alone forever. I'm scared
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Speaker 1: of you. While in Mexico, agent say Ilg's girlfriend found
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Speaker 1: his burner phone that he used to contact people on
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Speaker 1: the dark web. A fight ensues, an agent say the
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Speaker 1: victim was able to record audio of Ild assaulting her
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Speaker 1: as she struggled to breathe. This is the girlfriend with
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Speaker 1: doctor Ild in Mexico. As the husband, doctor ILG tries
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Speaker 1: to order a hitman to do harm to his wife.
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Speaker 1: But let me understand something, he only got her, didn't
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Speaker 1: He wasn't her cell phone and her car and all
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Speaker 1: of her devices, right. He had said it was for
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Speaker 1: her own safety, even writing to her when she confronted him,
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Speaker 1: Sorry for caring. But she did find tracking devices and
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Speaker 1: her vehicles. It appears that he also put some sort
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Speaker 1: of you know, software tracking on her cell phone. He
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Speaker 1: tabs on her that way. And when the girlfriend found
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Speaker 1: this burner phone in Mexico, her initial thought, you know,
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Speaker 1: according to records and recent reports, is that it was
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Speaker 1: a phone to talk to other women. So initially she didn't,
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Speaker 1: you know, suspect that it was tied to this dark web,
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Speaker 1: evil plot that he perhaps once again was, at least
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Speaker 1: in her mind, was trying to find someone else again.
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Speaker 1: So she thought the all the secretiveness and the burner
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Speaker 1: phones aside forth was because he was dating yet another woman.
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Speaker 1: That he had a wife, a mistress, and another girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: And we're starting to look for someone else. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: oh you know I feel that if I had to
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Speaker 1: look at my husband's emails and a cell phone activity
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Speaker 1: and figure out where he was, I just what a
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Speaker 1: horrible way to have to live, you know. To James Daniels,
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Speaker 1: Director investigations at blocktrace dot com, expert on the dark Web,
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Speaker 1: how do you download that type of treker? He had
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Speaker 1: a tchuker on his wife's cell phone, her car and more.
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Speaker 1: How do you do that and get away with it? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I mean, in all honesty, you don't even need the
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Speaker 1: Dark Web to do that. Those type of applications are
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Speaker 1: available all over the depending upon you know exactly what
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Speaker 1: the person wants to do. A lot of them are
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Speaker 1: based around the concept of parents keeping tracks of their kids.
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Speaker 1: So these applications are built of, Hey, I want to
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Speaker 1: make sure my child safe. I want to make sure
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Speaker 1: everything's okay. So you can install software on their phones
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Speaker 1: that track every text message, every email, everything that happens. Again,
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Speaker 1: it's a safety precaution likely, but how do you How
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Speaker 1: would I not that I'm going to do it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. But if I wanted
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Speaker 1: to download that or track my husband's cell phone movements.
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Speaker 1: How would I do it? I mean, it's just an
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Speaker 1: app that you download and you have it called on
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Speaker 1: the pot. So I would have to get his phone
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Speaker 1: and with his passcode and go online. I guess to
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Speaker 1: Google and type in track cell phone movements or track
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Speaker 1: cell phone key strokes to see what he's looking up.
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Speaker 1: And then you download it, and then how do you
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Speaker 1: read it? Usually what will you do? Was it will
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Speaker 1: output the information to an external source. Either it can
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Speaker 1: have an email sent to a designated email on a
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Speaker 1: daily basis, or they actually have dashboards that log into that. Ever,
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Speaker 1: and as far as going undetected these apps or software,
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Speaker 1: the user of the phone, like my husband would not
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Speaker 1: be able to look at his phone and tell that
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Speaker 1: there was this secret app. It's like a phantom app.
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Speaker 1: You can't see it when you look at the phone.
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Speaker 1: But how does that work on a car? Would you
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Speaker 1: just put a GPS tracker somewhere on the car? Is
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Speaker 1: that how he was figuring out where she was? James? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's we use that law enforcement all the
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Speaker 1: time to standard prep all trackers on people's cars. But
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Speaker 1: I mean those can be purchased again online. It effectively
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Speaker 1: uses like a cell phone to pay, and then that
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Speaker 1: cell phone will just basically tell you where the person's at.
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Speaker 1: And depending upon the type they use, a lot of
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Speaker 1: them just have a magnet with a phone and a
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Speaker 1: battery and you just sick it underneath the car in
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Speaker 1: a little pain and tell you where anybody's at it
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Speaker 1: at any kind as long as there's And again I'm
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Speaker 1: a JD, not an MD with a degree in psychiatry.
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Speaker 1: But if you've got to track your spouse that way,
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Speaker 1: just get a new one. Just get out, because already
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Speaker 1: there's no trust. I don't know how that can ever
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Speaker 1: be rebuilt. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
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Speaker 1: talking about a very well respected neonatal doctor who is
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Speaker 1: taken down by the FBI after he allegedly hires a
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Speaker 1: guy on the dark web to kidnap and drug he's
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Speaker 1: estranged wife, he says, in a bid to get her back.
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Speaker 1: K Guys, take a listen to our cut two our
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Speaker 1: Francy k R E M two. The FBI says the
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Speaker 1: girlfriends told them Ill forced her to sign a sex
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Speaker 1: slave contract. In a contract that looks similar to this,
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Speaker 1: a slave signs her rights away and unconditionally accepts anything
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Speaker 1: her master chooses to do with her. Agents say after
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Speaker 1: the fight in Mexico, Ill pricks her finger and makes
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Speaker 1: her sign the contract with her own blood. The document
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Speaker 1: that was shown in court shows Ill sign the contract
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Speaker 1: in his blood as well. Included in the contract an
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Speaker 1: agreement that quote slaves agree to any punishment, whether it
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Speaker 1: was earned or not. The FBI says one of the
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Speaker 1: punishments was to put her in one of two concrete
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Speaker 1: holes in his Spokane yard. Agents described the holes as
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Speaker 1: storage tanks underground and that a ladder was needed to
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Speaker 1: get in and out of it. The victim told investigators
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Speaker 1: he would keep her down there for hours. The defense
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Speaker 1: argues that the so called contract and the relationship were
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Speaker 1: completely consensual. Okay, I'm just trying to get my head
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Speaker 1: wrapped around what I just heard. A grown woman agrees
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Speaker 1: to a sex slave contract that includes her getting buried
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Speaker 1: in a storage tank, a cement hole, and doctor Yield's
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Speaker 1: yard and staying down in a hole for hours and
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Speaker 1: hours on end. Okay, Haley Gunther, did I just hear that? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: It really is one of those cases where you read it,
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Speaker 1: you read it again, and you're still just like it.
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Speaker 1: Did this really happen, and she did, and what's blood?
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Speaker 1: What's blood? Wow? It takes me back to third grade
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Speaker 1: and the blood system of agreements I have with so
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Speaker 1: many people in my Yeah. Yeah, the last time I
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Speaker 1: had a blood agreement was with Joy Jones. I think
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Speaker 1: in the third grade we would be friends forever, which
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Speaker 1: we are. By the way, Okay, describe the cement hole.
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Speaker 1: I have said that you first would have needed a
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Speaker 1: ladder to get in and out of it. So it
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Speaker 1: was there, It was in his yard. He m. His
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Speaker 1: home is in a place called known here is Otis Orchards.
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Speaker 1: It's a really nice, beautiful area. He has some land.
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Speaker 1: So if she did scream, it's very unlikely, you know,
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Speaker 1: anybody would have would have hurt her. But this, this
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Speaker 1: hole was there on his property, a cement dark hole
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Speaker 1: that she she truly would have had, you know, no
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Speaker 1: means to get out of on her own. Okay, now
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Speaker 1: I need to shrink again. Doctor Sherry Schwartz joining US
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist. What is the point of forcing your love
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Speaker 1: object into a cement hole for hours on end that
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Speaker 1: they can't get out of they can die down there. Well,
22:57
Speaker 1: it seems that for this individual, there's a sexual charge
23:03
Speaker 1: that he gets out of this. You know, this is
23:06
Speaker 1: about power and manipulation and control, and it seems to
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Speaker 1: revolve around sex and how he gets aroused. And imagine
23:18
Speaker 1: how terrifying that is to most of the rest of
23:21
Speaker 1: us that are reading this and hearing that. To Dan's Shilling,
23:24
Speaker 1: personal safety export, former special ops veteran and author of
23:29
Speaker 1: the Power of Awareness. You can find him at Dan
23:33
Speaker 1: Shilling books dot com. What about this girlfriend that would
23:37
Speaker 1: consent to this? Well, Nancy, you know it's funny this
23:41
Speaker 1: sex lave contract. Clearly it's not you're the JV. But
23:45
Speaker 1: it's not meant to be legally binding. It's meant to
23:47
Speaker 1: be psychologically binding. And this is how you subordinate people
23:51
Speaker 1: and you get them to do what you want. But
23:54
Speaker 1: you know, in this case, bondage or bunkers, I mean,
23:56
Speaker 1: those are private life things. I think what really matters
24:00
Speaker 1: from a safety standpoint, and what we all have to ask,
24:02
Speaker 1: especially if you're the girlfriend, to your point is do
24:06
Speaker 1: I have a problem? Listen? Getting into a bunker isn't
24:10
Speaker 1: really a sex game? That is a life threatening giveaway
24:16
Speaker 1: power over my body to somebody else. And she had
24:21
Speaker 1: to know intuitively, and you know, me. I go back
24:23
Speaker 1: to the intuition all the time. It's the foundation for
24:25
Speaker 1: personal safety. She intuitively knew there were problems with him,
24:29
Speaker 1: which is why she suspected his burner phone, which is
24:32
Speaker 1: a junior varsity sort of clandestine attempt to mask things,
24:36
Speaker 1: was meant for other women, not for contacting somebody on
24:39
Speaker 1: the dark web, and she didn't take the action early
24:43
Speaker 1: enough that she could have. But fortunately she's coming forward
24:47
Speaker 1: to help with the case against this guy because he's
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Speaker 1: doctor Dirtbag. Oh I like that name. Thank you, Dan Shelling.
24:53
Speaker 1: Ashly Wilkin. I can tell you this, when we are
24:55
Speaker 1: talking about a burner phone, what that really is. It's
24:58
Speaker 1: just a disposable own that you can get at gas stations.
25:03
Speaker 1: You can get them all over the place. You use
25:06
Speaker 1: it until you use up the minutes that are on it.
25:08
Speaker 1: It's like plastic, then you throw it away. It sounds
25:12
Speaker 1: so secretive and spylight, but you can get them. You
25:17
Speaker 1: know that's at the gas station, right absolutely. And not
25:20
Speaker 1: only that, you know secretive and spylight. Let me tell
25:23
Speaker 1: you my experience working in child's welfare. You know, unfortunately
25:27
Speaker 1: people that I know enjoy calling me a lot of
25:29
Speaker 1: questions about custody and issues they're having with their spouse.
25:33
Speaker 1: And let me just suggest that these burner phones, nine
25:36
Speaker 1: times out of ten are one of the very first
25:38
Speaker 1: things that spouse has find, whether it's the female or
25:40
Speaker 1: the male spouse, to give them a clue that something's amiss,
25:43
Speaker 1: that something's up, that's something secretive and so a they're
25:48
Speaker 1: easy to be found, and I find people tend to
25:50
Speaker 1: put them somewhere that they are found by their spouse
25:53
Speaker 1: and be it still has a data, it still has
25:57
Speaker 1: the information about what you've been doing on that phone,
26:00
Speaker 1: whether you're taking pictures, texting, or call it. You know,
26:02
Speaker 1: if I found a burner phone, I would immediately suspect
26:06
Speaker 1: wrongdoing because why would you need a burner phone? But
26:11
Speaker 1: it goes on. I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut four. This is Felicia Bolton News Nation Now.
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Speaker 1: Photos inside of this core document reveal messages from the
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Speaker 1: dark web from an anonymous person called Scar two one five.
26:26
Speaker 1: The post include targeting two victims. One message reads, I
26:30
Speaker 1: need a rush job for next week. I need the
26:33
Speaker 1: target kidnap for five to seven days. While being held,
26:37
Speaker 1: she is given at least daily doses of heroin. The
26:41
Speaker 1: target should be given a significant beating that is obvious.
26:44
Speaker 1: It should injure both hands significantly or break the hands.
26:49
Speaker 1: I tried to attach a pick but it wouldn't load. Also,
26:53
Speaker 1: the team should plant heroin and use needles with her
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Speaker 1: DNA inside. After about seven days, she is returned to
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Speaker 1: her home. Special agents with the FBI say, the anonymous
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Speaker 1: post came from doctor Ronald craig Ale, a spokeane neo
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Speaker 1: natal doctor. This is what is found on the dark web.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace to James Daniels with blocktrace
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Speaker 1: dot com, explain what is the dark web? It's certainly
27:35
Speaker 1: not immune to the FBI know. The dark web is
27:38
Speaker 1: basically just a subset of the Internet, an area that
27:43
Speaker 1: requires m specialized botler to go and get to it,
27:49
Speaker 1: and it was designed to keep people in autaments. Take
27:54
Speaker 1: a listen to news Nation now. According to the FBI
27:57
Speaker 1: to journalists, we're doing an investigation the dark web. When
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Speaker 1: they came across a post, then they tipped off one
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Speaker 1: of the victims and law enforcement. Scott Agenbound is a
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Speaker 1: former special agent with the FBI and author of the
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Speaker 1: Secret to Cybersecurity, A Simple Plan to protect your family
28:15
Speaker 1: and business from cybercrime. Once you get on the dark web,
28:19
Speaker 1: it is the wild West and completely unregulated because as
28:23
Speaker 1: the dark web is primarily used for criminal activity, and
28:26
Speaker 1: without tips from the public, post on the dark web
28:29
Speaker 1: are hard for law enforcement to trace. The dark web
28:32
Speaker 1: is kind of like an open air bizarre where all
28:35
Speaker 1: the bad guys gravitate get together and they sell, they
28:40
Speaker 1: buy information, and also they'll sell anything. They'll sell services,
28:45
Speaker 1: they'll sell drugs, and it's a closed community. So the
28:49
Speaker 1: only way you can get in there is if you
28:51
Speaker 1: know someone who will vouch for you. Well, it certainly
28:54
Speaker 1: did not stop the FBI from finding very incriminating email solicitations.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Ill trying to get a quote rush job and
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Speaker 1: he needed two hits to Haley Gunter joining us k HQTV. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: two hits, two hits. One on a former employee, a
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Speaker 1: former colleague. He wanted their hands to be broken. And
29:16
Speaker 1: then his wife and his ultimate goal, of course, he
29:20
Speaker 1: did want her, you know, pumped full of drugs, taught
29:22
Speaker 1: how to use the drugs herself, and then he wanted
29:26
Speaker 1: that all photographed so he could you know, blackmail her
29:30
Speaker 1: down the road. But you know, his ultimate goal with
29:33
Speaker 1: everything with his wife was to get her to come
29:36
Speaker 1: back to him, even offering bonuses if she would sleep
29:40
Speaker 1: with him at least three times the first you know,
29:43
Speaker 1: couple of weeks that she returned to their to their marriage.
29:47
Speaker 1: So he was detailed and the details are are disturbing,
29:51
Speaker 1: to put it mildly, well, you're right about that. Take
29:54
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut six. The FBI says Ailed
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Speaker 1: used coin based doc to transfer approximately fifty six thousand,
30:03
Speaker 1: three hundred eight dollars and twelve cents and two escrow
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Speaker 1: to pay for the assault of victim one and for
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Speaker 1: the plan to kidnap, assault, extort, and drug victim two.
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Speaker 1: One post reads he would also offer multiple bonuses, including
30:18
Speaker 1: one of up to ten thousand dollars, if his kidnappers
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Speaker 1: could get one of the victims to return to your
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Speaker 1: husband by asking to move back home and sleep with
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Speaker 1: him at least three times within the two week time frame.
30:31
Speaker 1: When it comes to money, money is really easy to trace.
30:34
Speaker 1: That's why the bad guys make you pay that the
30:37
Speaker 1: ransom in bitcoins because bitcoins are untraceable wallets that are
30:42
Speaker 1: making a mainstream appearance today. And that's just part of it.
30:46
Speaker 1: Take listen to k r EMT and newly unearthed documents.
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Speaker 1: A user by the name of Scar two one five
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Speaker 1: messaged a group on the dark Web to pay fifty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars in Bitcoin to kidnap, assault, drug and extore
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Speaker 1: a Spokane woman. I need the target kidnap for five
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Speaker 1: to seven days. While being held, she has given at
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Speaker 1: least daily doses of heroin. She's also strongly persuaded to
31:10
Speaker 1: do a few things within two weeks. One stop all
31:14
Speaker 1: court proceedings. Two, return to her husband and the chaos
31:18
Speaker 1: you created. Three tell absolutely no one about this. Federal
31:23
Speaker 1: prosecutors believe her estranged husband, Ronald ILG, was that user
31:27
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to continue their divorce. Ilde is
31:31
Speaker 1: charged with attempted kidnapping after the FBI was tipped off
31:34
Speaker 1: about the plot by the woman. FBI special agent and
31:37
Speaker 1: key witness Ryan Butler testified today in the Suspects Preliminary
31:41
Speaker 1: and Attention Hearing that the wife was informed of the
31:44
Speaker 1: plot by the crew of an unnamed international news organization
31:47
Speaker 1: investigating the Dark West. Shout out to Joseph Scott Morgan,
31:50
Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Jes Scott he was wanting
31:56
Speaker 1: her pumped full of heroin over and her and over,
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Speaker 1: during which time she would be photographed using drugs, high
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Speaker 1: on drugs, lying there pasted out on drugs. Hey, I
32:10
Speaker 1: wonder where the three year old sun was during all
32:13
Speaker 1: of this was supposed to be. But what does that
32:17
Speaker 1: do to a person to be kidnapped for seven to
32:20
Speaker 1: fourteen days and being popped full of heroin every day? Yeah,
32:24
Speaker 1: this makes it even more insidious, Nancy, because he is
32:27
Speaker 1: a physician. Remember he had to take a Hippocratic oath
32:30
Speaker 1: at some point in tom where he said that he
32:32
Speaker 1: would do no harm, Nancy, and this is the ultimate harm.
32:35
Speaker 1: And go back to what had earlier been stated. He
32:39
Speaker 1: had told these individuals she needed to be taught how
32:43
Speaker 1: to use this. What does that mean. Well, he's creating
32:46
Speaker 1: an addiction in her. Heroin is highly, highly addictive, So
32:51
Speaker 1: once she's blasted with that first dose, she's going to
32:54
Speaker 1: get really sick. But then this craving sets in where
32:57
Speaker 1: she has to have this fed constantly. He's a physician, Nancy,
33:02
Speaker 1: he understands that. And this is another thing. Heroin is
33:05
Speaker 1: not something that you're just going to be bought down
33:07
Speaker 1: to the pharmacy and you know, and fill a script
33:11
Speaker 1: for it. This is something that synthesized off of morphine,
33:13
Speaker 1: which is naturally occurring. Heroin is something that is at
33:17
Speaker 1: a street level. It's a very very dangerous drug. So
33:20
Speaker 1: that means that whoever these kidnappers that he was looking
33:23
Speaker 1: for would have gotten this dirty drug off of the street.
33:27
Speaker 1: He's a physician, keep that in mind, and he wants
33:29
Speaker 1: to have this injected into this poor woman's body. I
33:33
Speaker 1: lost show, Scott, but I'm going to follow up with
33:35
Speaker 1: James Daniels, director of investigations at blocktrace dot com, expert
33:40
Speaker 1: on the dark web and cryptocurrency. You know, hold it, Ashley.
33:45
Speaker 1: First to you talking about what you may do one day,
33:49
Speaker 1: Oh I'm going to kill you. That's not a crime.
33:52
Speaker 1: But when you follow it up with an overt act.
33:57
Speaker 1: I use that phraseology because that is what is required
34:00
Speaker 1: by the law and overt act that makes it a
34:05
Speaker 1: real conspiracy, even if you're playing fails. And in this
34:10
Speaker 1: case we've gotten transferring fifty six thousand dollars absolutely, Nancy,
34:15
Speaker 1: And so a couple of things. Number one, the overt
34:17
Speaker 1: act that's transferring the money. Number two, that shows intent, right,
34:21
Speaker 1: there's intent because you're committing that act to show that
34:25
Speaker 1: you are attempting to do it. And remember, even if
34:29
Speaker 1: a crime such as murder doesn't occur, but you plan it,
34:32
Speaker 1: there's still attempted murder, right, there's still attempted crimes. Those
34:37
Speaker 1: are crimes even if it doesn't come to fruition. So
34:39
Speaker 1: how does that happen? James Daniels with blocktrace dot com,
34:42
Speaker 1: how do you transfer nearly sixty thousand dollars on the
34:46
Speaker 1: dark web? Yeah, it's it's it's fairly easy to do.
34:50
Speaker 1: One of the clips that you had had talked about,
34:52
Speaker 1: you know, untraceable wallets and you know, one of the
34:55
Speaker 1: things that you know law enforcement and now in the
34:58
Speaker 1: private sector with blocktrace dot com, we are getting very
35:01
Speaker 1: good at doing that tracing. So criminals think that bitcoins anonymous,
35:07
Speaker 1: they think the other knocked and you know, we've got
35:10
Speaker 1: the skill set to go through and trace that stuff,
35:13
Speaker 1: which is how and why the FBI was able to
35:15
Speaker 1: find who this was. Can you trace bitcoin as easily
35:19
Speaker 1: as you can trace money transfer three banks? Yes, yes
35:22
Speaker 1: you can't. And it's you know, it's more difficult to
35:27
Speaker 1: trace cash. You know, back when I was working drug cases,
35:31
Speaker 1: and people would conduct transactions in cash. It was much
35:34
Speaker 1: more difficult to trace that than it is to trace cryptocurrency. Well,
35:38
Speaker 1: cryptocurrency does have a footprint on the Internet, and so
35:44
Speaker 1: we use that along with other techniques to follow where
35:47
Speaker 1: it came from and where it went to. Why as
35:49
Speaker 1: if there is motivation to Healey Guther joining us KHQTV,
35:54
Speaker 1: why was he doing all of this? He wanted her back, Nancy.
35:59
Speaker 1: It seems crazy, but his whole goal here was to
36:03
Speaker 1: get her to return to him to make their marriage work.
36:06
Speaker 1: And he made it clear he had no intentions of
36:10
Speaker 1: giving up the girlfriend, but that's what he wanted. He
36:13
Speaker 1: wanted his wife home, he wanted their family back in
36:15
Speaker 1: pack and even made comments about his wife and girlfriend
36:21
Speaker 1: going shopping together at Costco. So he had this fantasy
36:26
Speaker 1: world that she obviously wanted no pardon, but he didn't
36:30
Speaker 1: want her dead. He didn't want her murdered. He just
36:33
Speaker 1: wanted her back to doctor Sherry Schwartz. I have not
36:38
Speaker 1: seen it, but I have seen snippets of it. Have
36:42
Speaker 1: you ever heard of the reality show called Sister Wives?
36:45
Speaker 1: I have. I've never seen it either, but I know
36:47
Speaker 1: the concept yet where all these women are married to
36:50
Speaker 1: the same guy, and they're all okay with that. Yes,
36:54
Speaker 1: So this was doctor ilgs fantasy that the wife and
36:57
Speaker 1: the girlfriend would go shopping at Costco, and I guess
37:00
Speaker 1: Be's own private harem. What is he thinking. Well, I
37:03
Speaker 1: think in the context of Sister Wise, there's a religious
37:07
Speaker 1: component to that, and this is what they believe religiously.
37:10
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying that it's okay. It would
37:12
Speaker 1: not be okay with me, but I'm not a member
37:15
Speaker 1: of that particular religious practice. In this case, it doesn't
37:19
Speaker 1: seem that this is uh, you know, something that God
37:24
Speaker 1: told him to do, but rather a remarkable lack of
37:28
Speaker 1: empathy for these women. He can't put himself in their
37:32
Speaker 1: shoes to sort out that that's not going to be
37:36
Speaker 1: okay with them that they are having. You know, in
37:40
Speaker 1: the wife's case, she's married to him. That implies that
37:44
Speaker 1: nobody's going outside of the relationship for sex or love
37:49
Speaker 1: or or anything, you know, romantic love or anything like that. So,
37:54
Speaker 1: you know, the behavior here is very sinister. You know
37:58
Speaker 1: what Joe Scott was saying before out shooting her up
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Speaker 1: with heroin. In my mind, as a forensic psychologist, I'm
38:04
Speaker 1: reviewing so many of these cases. I immediately thought he's
38:08
Speaker 1: planning ahead to get evidence on her in case there's
38:10
Speaker 1: a custody battle, and so he can say to her,
38:13
Speaker 1: you can't leave me. You won't get your son, you
38:16
Speaker 1: won't get a penny from me. You have to stay
38:19
Speaker 1: with me and do what I want because I have
38:23
Speaker 1: this evidence that you used drugs. You know, it's interesting
38:26
Speaker 1: Hilly Guther joining US investigative reporter k QTV that he
38:31
Speaker 1: says the point of it all was to get her
38:34
Speaker 1: to return to him. I don't know that I totally
38:37
Speaker 1: agree with that, even though that's what he is saying.
38:40
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten k HQ. The
38:45
Speaker 1: directions Ronald Illig allegedly provided to a dark web hitman
38:49
Speaker 1: to kidnap his estranged wife is about the only thing
38:52
Speaker 1: that is clear and this stranger than fiction story. As
38:55
Speaker 1: outline and court dox Il tried to hire a professional
38:58
Speaker 1: criminal to kidnap his wife. In part, the target destroyed
39:01
Speaker 1: two families and walked away as if she did nothing.
39:04
Speaker 1: I want the target kidnapped for seven days. While being held,
39:08
Speaker 1: she will be given injections of heroin at least two
39:10
Speaker 1: times per day. Exaccused of also encouraging the kidnapper to quote,
39:14
Speaker 1: he use all means necessary to convince his wife to
39:17
Speaker 1: drop the divorce and come back to him. Doc state
39:20
Speaker 1: he wanted the kidnapping to occur while he and his
39:22
Speaker 1: girlfriend were in Mexico, sols to put the marriage back
39:25
Speaker 1: together again. And he's plotting all this with his off
39:28
Speaker 1: on a vacation to Mexico with his girlfriend to jump in.
39:34
Speaker 1: I have to this is Ashley. All I have to
39:36
Speaker 1: say is I don't believe he wanted her back either.
39:38
Speaker 1: He wanted to control the circumstances. He didn't like the
39:41
Speaker 1: way it was going. What's the best way to control it?
39:44
Speaker 1: Do this? And I absolutely don't think he wanted her back.
39:48
Speaker 1: He just had the control, Yeah, because he wanted her
39:50
Speaker 1: kidnapped and tortured. I don't care what he's saying now.
39:56
Speaker 1: I don't have to prove the motive in court. The
39:58
Speaker 1: state is not required to prove that the reality is
40:02
Speaker 1: that there is a trail a mile y between burner phones,
40:07
Speaker 1: his dark Web activity, and statements he has made to
40:11
Speaker 1: the girlfriend and to police. Haley Gut, where does the
40:15
Speaker 1: case stand right now? You know he's still he's still
40:18
Speaker 1: in jail. Um. Here, here we have this doctor, the
40:21
Speaker 1: successful doctor who had a remarkable career, and he has
40:25
Speaker 1: not been able to bail out of jail. He is
40:29
Speaker 1: awaiting trial right It was supposed to be coming up
40:32
Speaker 1: this month, but it has been pushed to October. Of course,
40:35
Speaker 1: we anticipate it will likely get pushed back again, but
40:39
Speaker 1: he remains a Spokane County jail inmates and the investigation
40:44
Speaker 1: is just is continuing. I do know that his um
40:48
Speaker 1: and one of the court hearings, his first wife was
40:51
Speaker 1: there to kind of vouch for him and even was
40:54
Speaker 1: willing to provide, you know, a place for him to
40:56
Speaker 1: go while this whole thing continues to play out in
40:59
Speaker 1: the and the court system. But it's my understanding he
41:04
Speaker 1: was believed to be too much of a fight. There
41:06
Speaker 1: is no way this guy should get out on bond
41:09
Speaker 1: flight risk, plus a risk to the second wife and girl,
41:14
Speaker 1: the twitnesses against him. We wait as justice unfolds. A
41:20
Speaker 1: neonatal doctor taken down by the FBI and his foiled
41:24
Speaker 1: plot to kidnap and torture his wife. Nancy Grace Crimes
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Speaker 1: story signing off, Goodbye friend,