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Till the End of the Moon - Part 1 | C-drama Review / Ep. 44 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  Hey, this is Jess and thanks for joining us on our deep dive
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  review of till the end of the Moon, my guess.
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  And I actually had a lot to say, perhaps 10,000 years worth and
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  we ended up recording a three-and-a-half Hour episode.
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  But instead of cutting it down, we just decided to release it in
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  two parts. This first part is a Jew.
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  See spoiler filled talk about the cast, The acting the
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  controversies, and so much more. The next episode will be the
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  rest of our juicy. Spoiler filled discussion.
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  Thanks for listening and enjoy the episode.
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  I'm Jessica and mrs. Debora caramels were a couple of
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  friends of You Korean dramas except today because today,
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  we're going to cover a see drama called till the end of the Moon.
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  Not sure if you've heard of it, it might be the C drama of the
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  Season, maybe of the year, who knows?
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  We're halfway through the year, but I am super excited because I
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  am joined today by not To guess I have Caitlyn from at no sleep
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  for dramas and Liliana from T and Soju.
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  Asian drama podcast. How are you?
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  Ladies. Welcome, hi, I'm doing well.
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  How are you? I'm doing well, Liliana I am so
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  glad that you guys are here. Caitlin, how you doing?
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  I'm good, I'm good. Glad to be here.
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  Okay, so what happened, why are we reviewing a CD drama in a
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  kdrama podcast? Well, I think you guys might
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  already know based on my social owls and the patreon feed.
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  I love, see, drama. I watch TV dramas all the time.
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  I augment my kdrama watching with see dramas and my favorite
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  genre is the ciencia drama. And oh my God, this drama that
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  we're going to review. Today took the World by storm.
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  It had all the girlies in a tizzy.
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  Everyone was salivating over the episodes and we're here we're
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  going to discuss it. Why are you guys on?
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  Because I was talking To each of you about the show on the
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  socials and you guys were really animated.
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  And then one thing led to another, we're all here, we've
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  been discussing the show and our group chat for like weeks.
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  Yes. And just in case people don't
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  know, you guys are, don't follow you guys on the socials, if you
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  can give us your briefed like experience with.
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  See dramas, maybe your favorite genres your Mount Rushmore of
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  see, dramas, your favorite ones. That'll kind of set the stage
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  here. And then we can move on Liliana,
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  you got the floor, right? So I started a see dramas back
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  in 2018 and actually, it was completely out of nowhere
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  because I had been watching anime on Netflix and it kind of
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  popped up with a drama and Jess. I'm sure you're very familiar
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  with it ashes of love. And you know, that was my first
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  CD drama. I've been injured it in 4 days
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  and I It's like I don't even know what this is.
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  I was stuck on it for ages and then Netflix just kept churning,
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  other dramas and the rest is history, basically.
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  And so basically genres that I really like within Chinese draw,
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  a Chinese drummers probably she and her because I just thought
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  it was my first, you know, genre in Chinese dramas.
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  And it's something that's so unique to Chinese, dramas.
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  I don't think anyone else can quite do anything like it.
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  It, but also I love youth. Dramas for see dramas.
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  They do really, really good. Youth drum, especially ones that
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  follow like kids into teenagers and then into adults, I think.
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  See, dramas do them really, really well.
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  So that's probably like the two that I really, really enjoy.
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  And then for like my Mount Rushmore, dramas, I would
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  probably say stuff like love between Ferry and devil, this
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  one is definitely. Be one that will be on it till
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  the end of the main like this, no questions about it.
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  And then dramas like go ahead, I absolutely loved.
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  Go ahead. Dramas like the untamed and you
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  know one and only forever and ever.
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  Those are just some other dramas that I absolutely loved within
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  Chinese drama. Learned.
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  Yeah. Those are some great dramas.
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  I have so many. See dramas on my to watch list
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  that I either don't have the time to watch.
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  Or more often than not. I am like saving them.
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  Like, I know they're well received and well-liked and I'm
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  gonna frickin adore them and I just want to save them for like
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  a rainy day, but I again, most people have actually heard the
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  love between very and devil that we did on debauch.
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  I love that show and it is on my Mount Rushmore as well.
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  I guess I do have to speak on till the end of the Moon, if it
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  will make it Kaitlyn. Tell me about your Sidra.
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  Experiences. So I started watching dramas in
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  general, in like 2008 mostly kdramas.
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  I didn't really go and dive into any other Asian dramas until
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  like 2015, 16, something like that.
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  And my first see drama ever was memory lost which is a crime
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  drama with three seasons. Amazing.
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  It's like my My I mean it's kind of a nostalgic for me.
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  It's probably not the best drama ever compared to like nowadays.
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  But I loved it. I was addicted.
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  I mean, I like the leads are like some of my favorites that I
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  like will always watch, which the leaves are like by you and
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  Yong Yong wrong. So I love young run.
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  Anyway. So that was like my first CD
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  drama. So that always has like a soft
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  spot. And then for John were wise
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  because of that, like knowing me crime is obviously my favorite,
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  so I like that one, there is a fair and Horizon Tower is an
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  amazing crime drama like really good but I also also go for the
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  Chandra dramas as well. So this one might be one of my
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  favorites ever 10 miles of peach blossom, probably as well.
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  Once Upon a Time and lingering mountain is like it's it's
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  interesting because it like, it's like you're watching a dog
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  walkers. It's based off of dong Hua and
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  its really very much keeps to the form of like anime, Douglas.
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  Oh, it's entertaining in that way.
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  So it makes fun of itself a little bit, which is very
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  entertaining. Also, I have to do shout off of
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  Hickory. No, go Hikaru Kaoru.
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  I always A hickory Hikari. No go.
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  I love the anime of this and so when they announced they're
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  doing a see drama of it. I absolutely adored it.
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  So I absolutely like that one as well.
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  So yeah, thank you so much for letting me.
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  Know your Mount Rushmore your favorite genres.
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  I think if people have heard you on something, something in the
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  Rain episode and more importantly, the flower of Evil
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  episode, they will know that you love the crime.
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  Dramas, you love the mystery dramas, the more darker tone
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  dramas, which is A fantastic. When I first heard that on the
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  something in the Rain episode, I was like, I got her on the wrong
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  episode. This is like a bromance like
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  that I never on here for. So I had you back your flowers
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  of evil. And yeah, I knew that you loved
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  watching. See dramas and I was so excited
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  to to kind of hear your thoughts on till the end of the Moon.
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  I know that we have watched it differently and we can talk
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  about that in a second. All three of us have had like
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  totally different experiences watching till the end of the
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  moon but Thank you so, so much for being here.
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  I'm pumped, let's get into it right after this.
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  going to go ahead and read the IMDb This for the show,
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  actually, big big PS a-- before we get started, spoilers are on
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  the table, okay? This is basically going to be a
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  final say episode, just like the love between Varian devil
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  episode which means all bets are off if you hear a spoiler.
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  It's because it was intended. I know that for the rest of
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  those seasons of daebak. We are pretty strict with
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  non-spoiler and spoiler episodes before the sciences and see
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  dramas. I think we just, if you've
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  pressed play more often than Not you probably watch this drama
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  and we're just gonna go full send on it.
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  Okay guys, spoilers go lower. Okay so here's the IMDb synopsis
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  and Immortal Li xue is destined to time travel. 500 years back
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  to prevent the death of a hostage Prince to stop his
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  transformation into the devil. God who destroys four continents
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  and three Realms will secrets of time and fate, deter her I
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  decided to do the IMDb synopsis versus the Wikipedia or The my
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  drama, listen ops's. Because those ones, I thought
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  were a little bit hard to read and like, gave too much away.
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  I guess, I don't know. We're gonna again, spoilers
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  spoiler territory, starting in a couple of minutes, till the end
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  of the Moon aired from April to May 20 23.
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  It is adapter from a web novel, and I'm going to try and say the
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  name of the novel. Hey, uh, gwang Nam when begged
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  been, bye. Tong Wu, Wei zhi, I apologize to
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  this greater because I pretty sure I butchered the name of
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  the, the novel and their name, but it is adapted from a web
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  novel which people have read. And we're excited to watch the
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  show because they could access this novel and read it.
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  Till the end of the moon is 40 episodes long and we'll talk
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  about that whole thing later in the show as well.
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  It's directed by a cuckoo clock Young He has directed things
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  since the 80s directed and produced things.
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  Since the 80s, including ice fantasy from 2016 and general.
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  And I have you guys watched other other dramas from this
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  director before, how do you think I did?
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  I'm just bringing up his page because I remember looking at it
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  and I can't remember if I had watched oh, I tried go into your
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  heart, which is a 20 E1 drama. But I dropped that pretty
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  quickly. I think I only got into like,
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  two or three episodes, but I think that's the only thing I
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  had seen of him before. Till the end of the Moon.
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  Kaitland h-have you seen anything from the structor.
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  I've seen both of the ones, you have listed ice fantasy, and
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  general. And I so I dropped ice fantasy.
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  You're nodding your head Caitlin's nodding her head.
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  So ice fantasy has We bad CGI in it and I could not get past like
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  the first few episodes. I did give it a nice good shot
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  but like, no, absolutely not, but I did watch General and I
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  from 2017, that one was not bad by any stretch.
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  I thought it was pretty decent. So other than that, I hadn't
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  watched anything from anything else from this director, till
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  the end of the moon was written by him.
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  If Fang and loss Iran, they are two female.
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  Green writers. And this looks like their first
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  writing credit ever which is pretty impressive.
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  They are also their kind of booked in busy.
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  After this. It looks like they're going to
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  do, write the story of Hoshi which is on other.
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  Another historical see drama and it's coming out in 2024.
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  Presumably, I was very impressed.
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  Like what do you guys think of this being their first writing
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  credit and I thought it was incredible like the Play the
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  know in terms like how to explain it.
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  The book They're adapting from is really, really heavy dark
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  material. Like so to adapt that into
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  something that it has a little bit more of a wide appeal.
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  I think they've done a really good job in that aspect.
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  So yeah, I don't know the one that you mentioned, the one that
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  they've got coming up the story of Quasi that has actually
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  started to release. Posters, and trailers and
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  whatnot. And it looks pretty darn good.
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  And I'm, I've got that one on my plan to watch because I really
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  like the male lead and the female lead for that.
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  So, yeah, we'll see. We'll see if it was like a fluke
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  or if they are actually pretty good writers.
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  When that one comes out. Wow.
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  I'm pumped man. Like we could have some people
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  to watch. Like if these two screenwriters
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  seem very promising to me because of this is their first
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  see drama. It's like, oh my God, they got
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  so much juice right now. I think they could do anything.
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  All right, so let's talk about the two leaves and then we can
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  also touch on the other cast members.
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  But obviously, the two main leads are the biggest draw and
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  the ones we see the most it is their story.
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  We have rule young see as Tensai Jin songs.
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  Do you mean it's being? Yeah.
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  Yeah. I think for personas in total
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  and He's done. I think everyone knows him from
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  love is sweet to now but his breakout role was in ashes of
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  Love which Liliana that was your very first CD drama.
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  It was. How does it feel to see him now?
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  After that he was your introduction And it was kind of
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  surreal because PSI, if you've watched ashes of love, you know,
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  his character has a pretty big up in terms of where he starts
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  and where he ends the drama and like you could see the like the
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  acting potential there, but the dramas that came after that,
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  like it did, the scripts themselves didn't do him any
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  good. And then now that this one came
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  out it's like oh my God, he can Really really act and people are
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  like yeah this is happening and I feel like it's the same thing
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  that happened to like Dylan Wang last year with love between
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  Ferry and devil and it's like you only need a really really
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  good script to sink your teeth into.
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  And if you know how to grab that your career will be set because
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  after that, like people know you can act like they know you are
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  capable of it. So and this is that drama for
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  him. I think Think this is a drama
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  that will launch him. Like, you know, into a really,
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  really good career. What's your experience with Will
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  Young see Kaitlyn? All right, don't come for me, no
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  one's coming for you. This is this face.
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  This is my first drama with him. Okay, I have not seen a shows a
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  love and there's a reason for it.
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  Oh my God. So do you care to share the
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  reason? Or I don't particularly like the
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  two female lead actresses. I've tried them both with
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  multiple other dramas and I just can't.
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  And I don't think it's them. Particularly, I think it's the
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  voice dubbing that they always have.
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  Hmm, I've always experienced, you know, you know, the typical
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  like very high pitched like cute voice.
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  Um, I can't, I can't get past it, so I always So she ate them
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  with that type of voice. So I can't, I have not been able
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  to watch those two dramas due to the fact that I just can't deal
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  with their dubbing actors. So okay.
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  All right, fair enough, that's totally fair.
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  I'm 90 the story of both. I know, obviously I know the
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  story about very nice old. I love between Ferry and devil.
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  She isn't dubbed. That's her real voice throughout
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  the whole draw. Okay, well I haven't even
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  watched us. Seen, so maybe I should at least
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  try and yeah. It sounds like her voice is
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  pretty like high pitched and whatnot but that is her real.
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  Yeah, that's Esther, use real voice.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. That was that's the reason why I
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  have not seen them. I'm and there's very few actors
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  and actresses. I avoid in kdrama land and sea
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  drama land. And those Jus just happen to be
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  two of the actors as I avoid. Wow, I am so intrigued.
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  Okay. So for me, I watched Yangtze and
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  Ashes of love. Amazing, really nuanced
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  character and quite a heartbreaking, you know, Persona
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  in the show I think you come to really love him and appreciate
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  him and then all of a sudden do the course of the show you'd
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  like hate him and that's very difficult to do.
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  Right? In any for any character I
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  thought ashes love was written particularly.
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  Well yes, the few projects that came after didn't seem to do
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  Lowell Lowell, young, Chief Justice in In any sort of way.
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  Love is sweet came in three years ago in 2020.
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  I think a lot of people watch that one.
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  Have you guys watched that one? I have.
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  I love that one. I will say, I'm not a fan of
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  the, like story itself. I'm a fan of, by Lou and the
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  yunxi together and like that drama offered some Peak scenes
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  between them. So I, you know, I was very much
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  in it for the main couple and There's so much of them and so
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  much like good scenes of them together that like I could
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  ignore everything else basically.
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  Okay, so I this is gonna don't come for me.
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  Whoever's listening. I started watching love is sweet
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  because I had seen so many edits of it on Instagram.
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  A few years ago, I was like, oh my God, the show looks amazing.
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  It looks like they have really great chemistry.
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  I'm going to start it. I started watching it.
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  The first episode was terrible to me.
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  I hated it. It was it's a workplace romance,
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  right? Right.
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  And they were Hamming it up from the very beginning.
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  Like, the way that they met and stuff, I was like, why does this
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  look like a music video? And I was very distraught with
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  the way that they just sort of like came in hot with all of the
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  chemistry and sort of like these scenes that were really
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  manufactured to get them together or to have some sort of
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  like intimate moment. And I'm like, it feels unearned
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  totally felt unearned to me. So I dropped love Sweet y'all.
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  I did not finish that show. I had no regrets up until
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  recently when people were like I'm watching love is sweet to
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  get over till the end of the moon.
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  This is like their reincarnation or whatever people China you
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  know self-soothe by watching. Love is sweet which is fine.
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  More power to you, I will eventually watch love is sweet,
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  just to just to get it over with, I guess.
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  But it was not, it's not my genre, I don't like office
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  romances and yeah, I will say that I love is sweet because of
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  till the end of the Moon. They like, because people wanted
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  to watch it, it made it to number one on ITV again, three
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  years after it premiered. So that's the power of this
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  couple. Like I Chi had a couple of
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  dramas on air that will really like they were pretty good.
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  There were doing really well and then out of nowhere a
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  three-year-old drama bounces like to number one on their
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  charts and people are like yeah that's the Power of these two
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  together because everybody wants to see them and iqiyi like on
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  all of their socials were basically just sharing
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  everything. Love is sweet, everything like
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  that by Lou was in that they owned.
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  They were just like Hamming, it up and sharing it and marketing
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  because they knew that was, you know, the people of the moment.
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  So speaking of by Alou by Lou is co-starring, she plays Lee
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  soo-ah issue song, did you Albin again multiple Personas in the
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  show, what? I mean, I think Liliana is very
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  has been very vocal about, absolutely, loving, by Lou.
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  You have bought all the by loose talk.
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  So, King. Well, I've watched every I've
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  basically watched every single drama that she's been in.
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  So yeah, you can say, I've bought all the stock.
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  So basically it so much so that she was literally on, you know,
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  on auntie. And so do I have like the actor
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  and actresses series and she was the first actress.
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  I did an episode on and to say, you can tell, I think, I
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  basically started the first Thing I ever watched her in was
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  the Legends, and then I just worked my way through all of
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  her, like, things, I think there's then to dramas that I
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  haven't watched and it that is Untouchable lovers.
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  And because she's only like a side character in that and even
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  then, even being a side character, she actually won an
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  award for that for, like, Breakthrough award and so, yeah,
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  but I just think she invoked really well on screen and it,
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  Lates at least to me, it translates really well and she
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  has this thing where I might be biased, but everything I've
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  watched a hen in. She has really good chemistry
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  with her co-stars which lie to me, that's really important.
• 23:16
  If a drum would like I think if a drama doesn't have chemistry
• 23:19
  between their leads, it really suffers greatly.
• 23:21
  So I agree with that. So Caitlin have you watched by
• 23:26
  Lou in some other dramas, did you have an opinion of her
• 23:29
  before coming into till the end of the Moon?
• 23:31
  Oh, yeah. Yeah, by Lou is one of my
• 23:33
  favorites as well. Like I watched her in one and
• 23:37
  only with one of my favorite actors out and run.
• 23:41
  So I love Alan run. So I've watched everything with
• 23:43
  him but I think I've seen other ones.
• 23:48
  I know I've seen the Legends and I want to say that was my first
• 23:51
  one with her gotcha. Yeah, right.
• 23:56
  Yeah. And I think I tried the Arsenal
• 23:58
  academy one and for some reason I put it on hold.
• 24:02
  For some reason I know and I didn't go back I can't remember
• 24:05
  why I was liking it but I think my watchlist got too heavy or
• 24:08
  something and I was like I'm going to put this on hold or
• 24:10
  something but yeah I definitely there was an opinion of her I
• 24:15
  had and then I saw one and only and I was like, okay well that's
• 24:19
  just it's going to be one of my favorite actresses now.
• 24:22
  So I had a good opinion before that.
• 24:25
  But I think one and only for me one and only seem to put her
• 24:31
  into a higher tier than what I'd seen.
• 24:37
  Both previously just like maybe it was a script maybe she had
• 24:40
  done some acting training something but like it just
• 24:44
  seemed do there was a big difference from what I'd seen
• 24:47
  But of her before then I watch one and only and then that was
• 24:51
  like yeah. Wow.
• 24:52
  So yeah. So for me this till the end of
• 24:56
  moon is my very first time seeing by Lou in a draw in a
• 25:01
  completed drama, right. Because I drop love is sweet
• 25:04
  after a few episodes. I did not finish that show.
• 25:07
  This is the first time that I've really sink my teeth into her,
• 25:10
  and her character, her acting loved it.
• 25:13
  Loved her can't wait to watch the other dramas, especially
• 25:17
  one, and only, and the Legends, which the Legends has been on my
• 25:21
  watch list for like years, right?
• 25:23
  Like it came out in 2019 and I remember being like, Oh, I gotta
• 25:26
  watch this. And then never again, through
• 25:28
  life. And I just, I kind of savor
• 25:31
  these, like, I really like watching Sanchez and I could And
• 25:37
  to save them, right? I'm like, oh, Manilow like what
• 25:40
  you see, I'm saying, I get really excited and watch them.
• 25:43
  So by Lou, I mean, she sunk my battleship in this show, I
• 25:48
  thought she was really great. Same thing with Lil young, she
• 25:51
  funny thing is, I feel like by Lou its kind of warranted that
• 25:55
  she's a great is she's a very good actress.
• 25:58
  Well young, she is a little bit more of an oddball because he
• 26:03
  started as a professional ballet dancer, he taught by Ballet.
• 26:07
  And then he got into music and he was in a band and then he
• 26:13
  kind of made his way into acting which is very interesting.
• 26:17
  How did you guys feel about? Maybe seeing Lou young, she's
• 26:23
  dance background in the context of the show.
• 26:28
  Say for me, personally, I've mentioned this before, but I
• 26:32
  think that if, if actors and actresses have a dancing
• 26:38
  background, it really, really helps when it comes to she Entre
• 26:41
  because it makes them movements, especially when they're doing
• 26:45
  wire work so much better. Like they know how to position,
• 26:50
  you know, their bodies, they know how to move their bodies to
• 26:53
  like, you know, be on screen for those specifics.
• 26:57
  Scenes. So I think Lou, you and she is
• 27:00
  so good in Sharjah and in Period costume and whatnot because of
• 27:05
  this. And he has this like face.
• 27:07
  I know this is gonna sound strange.
• 27:10
  I don't know. Right.
• 27:11
  So to me. There's actors and actresses
• 27:13
  that just don't look right in period, Cause yes that make like
• 27:17
  their space doesn't work for period costume and that might
• 27:21
  be, you know, shallow of me or whatever it may not know, but I
• 27:24
  did it because I think this is absolutely true.
• 27:28
  Sorry but he he has this face that whenever he gets the wig
• 27:32
  and you know the long flowing hair, it suits him.
• 27:35
  So well that you know, the whole thing just comes together and he
• 27:40
  looks brilliant in Period costume.
• 27:43
  So I you know just feel like whenever it comes to who you and
• 27:47
  cheat, he should just do period costume all the time.
• 27:51
  But, you know, because he looks so good in it and you know,
• 27:54
  having that dance background, it really works.
• 27:57
  For him, when it comes to all the wire work because I feel
• 28:00
  like it's good in that sense but also I feel like dancers really
• 28:04
  know how to win mote on screen. And I was saying for like four
• 28:09
  by Luke, she actually started as a dancer as well.
• 28:13
  Not quite as much as you know, Louis and she, but she went to
• 28:16
  school for dancing, right before she actually changed into
• 28:19
  acting, so that I think like there's a way that dancers kind
• 28:25
  of have to win moat through their body language.
• 28:27
  Like to use their faces because they don't use words that use
• 28:30
  their body and their face. And I think that really comes
• 28:33
  through whenever they act because they don't necessarily
• 28:36
  have to use their words to put an emotion across the screen.
• 28:39
  And I feel like, you know, that's one of the biggest acts
• 28:41
  that you know, coming from dancing into actor.
• 28:44
  Absolutely Caitlin. Did you have any feelings about
• 28:47
  it? Did you know, I was a dancer.
• 28:49
  I did. Yeah, and I have the same
• 28:51
  opinion. I think it just shows wirework
• 28:55
  and sword fighting. They also, I think they also,
• 28:59
  yeah, it's all they know how to use the choreo and the camera
• 29:04
  angles to get the best shots and know how the position in their
• 29:08
  body. Speaking of by Lou did it by
• 29:12
  Lou, want to become a like a KPop star at some point.
• 29:16
  Didn't you audition for like SMR something?
• 29:19
  And she did she auditioned for? Yeah, she did.
• 29:23
  She's actually fluent in Korean she auditioned for Sm
• 29:28
  entertainment, but didn't I think she didn't get in.
• 29:31
  So she came back to China and then founded agency and China
• 29:35
  and kind of like well that's what I thought so yeah.
• 29:38
  Um but yeah I think I think the opinion is correct in terms of
• 29:42
  they just know how to they look more fluid on a wire or in Sword
• 29:48
  fights or whatever. I think they just know how to
• 29:50
  move away. Yeah you can tell they know how
• 29:53
  to move in a way that a person who doesn't have the background.
• 29:57
  Would never really not that they would be bad at it.
• 30:00
  I'm where, and we're not snot, where were saying, but there's
• 30:02
  just like a difference. You can see if they have a dance
• 30:05
  background versus. If they.
• 30:07
  Don't, I think there's something to be said about athleticism.
• 30:11
  Yeah, because I most people don't feel like ballet is
• 30:15
  ballet. Dancers are athletes and I do
• 30:17
  feel like they are athletes and it's an incredibly physical
• 30:21
  demanding sport, even if it is also an art and to translate
• 30:26
  that into the sea, This is worth so much choreography and
• 30:30
  wirework and using swords and just moving their body fluidly.
• 30:35
  Like they've been alive for 10,000 years and have been doing
• 30:38
  this every day. Like it is very cool and they
• 30:43
  look amazing doing it. And I have no doubt that.
• 30:47
  I mean I agree with you guys like their dance background has
• 30:50
  completely been utilized in this role especially consider
• 30:55
  Michelle. Yo, who is also came I'm from a
• 30:58
  dance background. She was a professional ballet
• 31:00
  dancer went to London to study ballet and unfortunately had a
• 31:03
  spinal injury and now she's Michelle yeoh like Michelle
• 31:06
  fucking yo. And again all of the Lucia
• 31:09
  Cinema that she has been in and all of the demanding, she's been
• 31:15
  a Bond girl. She's been everything it is.
• 31:18
  I think made infinitely better because she does have that dance
• 31:22
  background and she knows how to move and she is an athlete and
• 31:25
  she takes care of herself like an But so yeah, I did want to
• 31:30
  touch base on that. Okay, so we're at the end of
• 31:34
  this. We will talk about the other
• 31:35
  cast members for sure, as we go through our thoughts on the
• 31:39
  drama. But honestly, like what you guys
• 31:41
  do, I think we, we know what we thought because we've been
• 31:44
  communicating for weeks, but, and in case they haven't
• 31:48
  listened to the teens old, you episodes.
• 31:51
  But you've been putting out, like, I guess every in
• 31:55
  increments of 15 or 20. As you've been putting out.
• 31:58
  Yeah, your thoughts. But Liliana what did you think
• 32:02
  of till the end of the Moon? Oh God, I didn't wait to start.
• 32:07
  I I really, really loved it. I really did.
• 32:11
  I think it's a well-told story within the boundaries of Chinese
• 32:16
  drama land. And I think that's important to
• 32:18
  keep in mind because not only do they have censorship to deal
• 32:22
  with but, you know, episode carts, whatever.
• 32:24
  I think they did a really good, you know, the way they linked
• 32:29
  everything up within the story, there was details in episode 14,
• 32:34
  15 That came back in episode 38 39, that link to the whole story
• 32:39
  together and I feel like, you know, it made the whole story a
• 32:43
  little bit cohesive even if the editing and the pacing sometimes
• 32:48
  suffered. But that I don't think is a, you
• 32:51
  know, writing problem. I think it was the fact that
• 32:53
  they had to cut it, you know. Down and the acting to me is
• 32:58
  just insane in this drama. I loved the acting especially
• 33:02
  from Louis and she and Bi-Lo, they're acting was really.
• 33:04
  Really good. But yeah.
• 33:06
  Without giving any spoilers I can't say much more than I.
• 33:09
  Absolutely. I just loved this drama.
• 33:12
  I really really did. I as soon as it was announced I
• 33:16
  have been following this drama since day.
• 33:19
  One of it being announced as an adaptation because again big fan
• 33:24
  of both of the leads and I was like it's yantra.
• 33:27
  It's by Luann do you cheat in children?
• 33:29
  I'm like, sign me up like, I don't care.
• 33:33
  We're done how so And then last year, they introduced, like they
• 33:39
  released the first posters for it.
• 33:41
  And the first posters, like the first trailer that they released
• 33:44
  for this character. Trailer was basically, there was
• 33:48
  a mirror and in the mirror, it was luo Yin Shi in like, modern
• 33:52
  clothing and he was looking and he sought and hygiene in like
• 33:56
  all of his glory and it is stunning and they did the same
• 33:59
  with by Lou, like modern clothing in the mirror and then
• 34:02
  her in all her and that was the The first thing we sort of from
• 34:06
  this drama and then yeah and then all the posters started
• 34:09
  coming out and it was stunning and to me like the first thing
• 34:12
  that really really grabbed me was like all the colors are used
• 34:16
  which if you watch your answer, you know, that's not a done
• 34:19
  thing. They tend to go you know for the
• 34:21
  muted whites and pale colors and what not?
• 34:25
  But this drama was not about that.
• 34:26
  Like yes, there's some of that but for the most part it's like
• 34:30
  dark but vibrant colors and that grabbed me straight away.
• 34:34
  I, you know, I it was all downhill from there.
• 34:37
  I mean, it, I always said if all else fails, I know the chemistry
• 34:42
  for these two will be insane because I had watched them in.
• 34:45
  Love is sweet and I know their chemistry.
• 34:47
  So if all else failed I was down for that and you know for me, I
• 34:51
  loved it from the, you know, episode 1.
• 34:53
  Like since you have that epic opening scene.
• 34:56
  I was like, sign me up. I'm done.
• 34:57
  I'm done. Yeah, that opener will get to in
• 35:01
  a second. You mentioned that you basically
• 35:04
  have Watched it from day, one from promo all the way through
• 35:07
  the end. You watch it as it was earring.
• 35:09
  Do you want to speak really quick on how the atmosphere
• 35:13
  online was watching it during its airing?
• 35:18
  Sorry. Hey I'll take and you die.
• 35:23
  I for me it was torture. Everybody was suffering
• 35:27
  together. In terms of you had two camps
• 35:30
  for this drama normally, there's like the people that are really
• 35:34
  liking it, the people that are loving it, that people are
• 35:37
  enjoying it, and then the people that just don't care, for this
• 35:40
  drama, you either loved it or you hate it and you like into
• 35:43
  camps and that was the atmosphere on light.
• 35:46
  It was like, constant War. Ring for, you know, the 40
• 35:51
  episodes. But I managed to keep away from
• 35:53
  like a lot of that and the people that I followed that will
• 35:56
  really loving it. It was like, we were all in the
• 35:59
  same ship because watching this on air was torturous because so
• 36:05
  it really was like youku for two weeks straight.
• 36:09
  They released episodes every single day and I was like, this
• 36:12
  is great. I get episodes every day and
• 36:15
  then they turn around and go. Oh no, we're only releasing.
• 36:18
  Singing episodes four days a week now, and we're like, What
• 36:21
  do we do for the three other days in the week?
• 36:24
  Do you expect us to just wait for episodes and then they left,
• 36:29
  like the three last episodes for, like, the last week, and
• 36:33
  you had to wait four days to get those.
• 36:35
  Oh my God. Like, you're just killing us.
• 36:38
  Hey, what are we supposed to do with this?
• 36:41
  So, yeah, it was torture to watch this.
• 36:44
  But like that, good torture of like anticipation because you're
• 36:48
  so, Excited to watch the next episodes that kind of torture.
• 36:52
  That was what it was like watching it on air.
• 36:54
  Oh wow. Yeah, it was wild Caitlin.
• 36:57
  I don't think you watched it as it was airing.
• 37:00
  Do you want to comment on how you approach the show and how
• 37:03
  you liked it? Um, well, I mean, you touched on
• 37:07
  it at the beginning, I kind of was broked into this and had to
• 37:10
  watch. It's like a two-week span, which
• 37:14
  normally I don't do, like I do. I normally would see dramas, I
• 37:18
  wait until they're done airing because one for me because I
• 37:22
  usually watch kdramas as they are, the amount of Of episodes
• 37:26
  that come out in the rotation that they come out and see
• 37:28
  dramas, it's just way too fast for me.
• 37:30
  I end up buying mind anyway. So I just ran rather like wait
• 37:35
  until it's almost done airing or done airing which is why I'm
• 37:39
  like for example, still watching Love Like a Galaxy even though
• 37:43
  it's like two Hoots later. Anyway, I'm sorry, I don't mean
• 37:49
  to laugh. Okay, so keep it going.
• 37:51
  Yeah. So I was I was planning on
• 37:56
  watching this. Anyway.
• 37:57
  I just hadn't gotten around because, as I said, I'm still
• 38:00
  watching Love Like the Galaxy. I wanted to finish that first,
• 38:03
  but I was roped in to watch his son and so I had the binge it in
• 38:07
  over the last two weeks. So I did like 20 episodes last
• 38:10
  week and 20 episodes up until last night at like 1:00 a.m.,
• 38:14
  and which is a very not Norm. I do not binge like, literally I
• 38:18
  dropped everything else. I was watching and I watched
• 38:20
  this for the last two weeks, I don't normally do that.
• 38:24
  That being said though, Though the fact that like I was able to
• 38:28
  do that and watch 45 because as you were mentioning with the
• 38:34
  with the cuts and the things that they had to cut it down
• 38:37
  into a 40 episodes. Now, these episodes are almost
• 38:39
  an hour long whereas when you're watching older dramas there like
• 38:44
  30 to 45 minutes. So it's it for my opinion, the
• 38:48
  45-minute Mark is very easy to binge various worse versus like
• 38:53
  if you're doing an hour hour and a half, like 15 minute episodes.
• 38:57
  It's a lot harder for me to binge it, especially if I'm I'm
• 39:00
  weird where it's like, I cannot watch more than three episodes
• 39:03
  in a row of the same show, which is why I watched so many dramas
• 39:06
  at the same time because I switch around this one.
• 39:10
  Knowing I had a deadline. I had to, I had to watch, but
• 39:15
  like the fact that I could and I was watching like six episodes a
• 39:18
  day or eight episodes a day. Spoke to how much I loved it
• 39:25
  because I wasn't for lack of a better term and I didn't get
• 39:30
  bored with what I was watching. I'm sorry that I had to like
• 39:36
  make more so show outside of your regular watch.
• 39:40
  I mean, honestly, I'm glad you did because who knows what I
• 39:43
  would actually have watched this.
• 39:45
  I would be lying saying I was planning on watching this with
• 39:47
  in 2023 because God knows what would have happened.
• 39:51
  So I'm grateful. You made me.
• 39:54
  Watch this. Okay well I I watch the show
• 40:00
  after it was completely aired. I decided, Well, I went on
• 40:05
  vacation. And before I went on vacation, I
• 40:07
  saw a bunch of promo stuff. A bunch of like Supercut edits
• 40:10
  and I was like, this fucking slaps.
• 40:13
  I cannot wait to watch the show when I get back from vacation
• 40:18
  and when I came back again, I had like one or two weeks of the
• 40:22
  catching up time. And then I started watching the
• 40:24
  show and I could not stop messaging Liliana, I was sending
• 40:28
  her voice mail. Most like voice messages of me,
• 40:31
  just kind of experiencing the drama and I was hooked and I
• 40:36
  started, you know, bingeing the episodes.
• 40:39
  And then I had to stop for, like, a day.
• 40:41
  I couldn't watch anything and then, I would binge more
• 40:42
  episodes, I'm a Binger. Boy that I love this show,
• 40:47
  though. I thought it was really
• 40:49
  angst-filled, and I'm not sure if I've gone on record as saying
• 40:52
  this, but I freaking love when there's high stakes, High angst
• 40:58
  in dramas to me, the conflict is everything.
• 41:02
  I personally don't like it when it's all fluffy.
• 41:04
  When it's all butterflies and rainbows.
• 41:07
  And they're having the good times together, because to me,
• 41:10
  why, what's the, why am I watching like, what is the
• 41:13
  conflict? What are they trying to?
• 41:15
  Workout in the course of the drama.
• 41:17
  What are the character arcs if nobody changes and was the
• 41:20
  point? So, I was really appreciative of
• 41:24
  the fact that this drama took a lot of it was moving at a
• 41:29
  Breakneck pace, for sure, especially because of all the
• 41:31
  cuts, but it was freaking moving, and it was playing.
• 41:38
  If you feel me and I adored all of the characters and their arcs
• 41:42
  and I loved the acting from our two leads, I Was incredible.
• 41:47
  Well young. She and his micro like changes
• 41:51
  in his face and the way that he was emoting.
• 41:56
  So well and the way that by Lou was just so tragic.
• 42:01
  Like, I feel like her character is sort of underrated in the
• 42:04
  fact that she is also a tragic figure, and we can talk about
• 42:07
  that. But I also love High fantasy.
• 42:12
  Like I've said in the love between furry and double
• 42:13
  episode, this had like a Terminator ask plot going like
• 42:17
  the you got to reverse what happened.
• 42:21
  You know, the atrocity that happened and we got to go back
• 42:24
  500 years and she's the chosen one.
• 42:27
  She's like the you know John Connor sort of character and it
• 42:33
  reminded me of the sea drama lost love and time.
• 42:36
  I don't know if you guys have seen that one we're like all
• 42:39
  hell breaks loose and the female leads Mage Clan is slaughtered.
• 42:46
  They managed to send her back in time to reverse the future was
• 42:49
  basically like the same set up right as that show even though
• 42:53
  that show didn't really like land the plane.
• 42:56
  So to speak. As far as like plot goes, I
• 42:58
  thought it was like a little bit bad but wow what a show.
• 43:04
  I loved the angst. It made me really emotional and
• 43:09
  made me think about a lot of things.
• 43:10
  Like what would I do if I was this character, right?
• 43:14
  I feel like that's The sign of a really good movie or show is
• 43:18
  like, it makes you think like, well damn, if I was tense ijen.
• 43:22
  What would I do? You know in his shoes or how
• 43:26
  would I reactive X i's are? Instead this said this to me and
• 43:30
  I was Seuss character. So like it's very
• 43:34
  thought-provoking in that sense. How did you guys feel about the
• 43:40
  acting and Especially from our two leads.
• 43:45
  And send me, I think this is by far out of everything that I've
• 43:52
  seen from Lucci. This is the best woul he has,
• 43:56
  ever done, like, of his career. In terms of, first of all,
• 44:01
  there's a lot for him to sink his teeth into for contagion.
• 44:06
  There's he starts off as this character.
• 44:10
  That is not feeling, he doesn't know, love if he doesn't know
• 44:14
  any of So, that's the character he is, and then by the end of
• 44:20
  this drama, he's a totally different character.
• 44:23
  And there's his whole journey and I think Luann she just did
• 44:27
  it so well, but also the fact that you could look.
• 44:32
  So there's a couple of scenes where there's the devil God
• 44:35
  ancient devil God. And there's talent agent.
• 44:37
  And you can tell, exactly which character is, which just by
• 44:42
  looking at his face, they're dressed in the same clothes.
• 44:45
  It's the same actor, but by his micro Expressions, you can tell
• 44:50
  which character, he, he's meant to be playing in that scene.
• 44:53
  And I think that's a, really, really difficult thing for an
• 44:57
  actor or an actress to pull off is to like add Nuance to certain
• 45:01
  parts of his acting to make like different characters stand out
• 45:06
  when you're playing, you know, two or three different
• 45:09
  characters within a drama. So from him, I just absolutely
• 45:15
  His acting. I think his micro-expressions
• 45:17
  are absolutely on point and for by Lou I really loved her
• 45:22
  character. I think a character is really
• 45:25
  underestimated and like when it was airing a lot of people were,
• 45:31
  you know, saying that her character was this and her
• 45:34
  character was that but her acting was on point.
• 45:36
  She has quite a few scenes where it's really heavy emotional
• 45:41
  scenes. I mean, you open up that episode
• 45:43
  1 and the first First thing when you meet by, you know, when you
• 45:47
  meet Lee soo soo, her character had Clan has been decimated and
• 45:52
  there is, you know, she's being sent back in time and her whole
• 45:57
  like her expression hurt, you can feel like the sadness and
• 46:01
  the anger and just everything rolling off her you know through
• 46:05
  the screen. You empathize with her straight
• 46:08
  away like with her struggle. So I think they both absolutely
• 46:12
  and nailed their characters and I It's one of those things where
• 46:17
  I can't imagine anyone else playing those characters, but
• 46:21
  goes to so and when you do that I think you know you've nailed
• 46:26
  your character if you can't if you become so involved and so
• 46:31
  much into that character. That you know if you were can't
• 46:36
  imagine anyone else but you playing it.
• 46:38
  You've done your job right for me.
• 46:39
  Anyways kahlan. Did you have thoughts on the
• 46:42
  acting? Um really it's yeah.
• 46:45
  Yeah, I mean, like I have a thing for actors that can do
• 46:50
  microaggressions. Very Michael micro Expressions
• 46:53
  very well, as well as like emote emotions.
• 46:56
  Just through like their eyes and not have to do very much in
• 47:01
  terms of, Showing an emotion they were showing by being
• 47:07
  overly expressive and things. So like that's one of the
• 47:10
  reasons why I love Alan run so much because he can do that very
• 47:13
  well. So because this is my first
• 47:15
  introduction to Liu Yuan Shi. I do appreciate that about like
• 47:20
  there's this scene where like you were talking about how they
• 47:24
  were in the scene to get. He was in the scene together
• 47:26
  with himself and you could tell and I agree, I totally agree
• 47:30
  with that. But the scene, where, bye.
• 47:34
  Lou is. Was it her?
• 47:40
  It wasn't sousou. It was, what was her other
• 47:43
  character named? Yes, you, yes, she will.
• 47:46
  When she was first trying to figure out, like, what she may
• 47:52
  be? I what?
• 47:53
  Yeah, I was. Yes, she will.
• 47:54
  Yeah, so she was like, trying to figure out like, where she was
• 47:58
  and what her relationship was. And if he was really the devil,
• 48:03
  God write tan shite on 10th agent kujan.
• 48:10
  Where she like kneels down and to look them in the face.
• 48:13
  And like tells he said, he, I am a nice guy and like, tells him
• 48:18
  he was angry, like the the facial expressions that he did
• 48:22
  in that seem from, like, going on one, where a guy looks like
• 48:25
  totally pitiful. And like, just kill me now to,
• 48:30
  like, I want to kill you in like a matter of seconds, like, that
• 48:34
  was a scene that told me. Like man, this guy can really
• 48:38
  Act Make so I love. Yeah, I just I fall in love with
• 48:42
  actors who can do that and I mean, by lose the same way like
• 48:46
  the one of the reasons why I love by Louis Deacon also a
• 48:49
  moat, a lot of emotion by just through her eyes and just
• 48:53
  through like, not really doing much in terms of overacting or
• 48:58
  anything like that. There's a, and you were speaking
• 49:02
  Lily about like, how she always has chemistry with everybody and
• 49:05
  I totally agree with that. She has I mean, I watched her
• 49:10
  with out and run and they have a lot of chemistry together, but
• 49:14
  she also does well in terms of, she may have chemistry with
• 49:17
  everyone, she's with, but she has a unique chemistry with each
• 49:23
  of the pairings. Like, you don't, you don't think
• 49:25
  like, oh, here's another pairing where she has chemistry, but
• 49:29
  like, there's something special with, like, I loved her and Alan
• 49:33
  run together in terms of one and only, but her and luo Yin Shi
• 49:37
  together. Has a different aura about
• 49:41
  attended, different aspects, different atmosphere.
• 49:45
  So I'm curious to Swatch love and sweet and see if it was the
• 49:49
  story that had the different atmosphere and that like their
• 49:53
  chemistry, obviously is still going to be there in love and
• 49:55
  sleep. But like, is it a different
• 49:57
  Aura? Then what would be till the end
• 49:59
  of the moon? But again, by lose my girl.
• 50:03
  So, like always, I will love her but she she and I loved.
• 50:06
  I loved both of their acting in this.
• 50:08
  And I think it also goes to tell to where it's like to act well
• 50:13
  in a Sean Shaw is very hard to do because like a lot of the
• 50:19
  times. In terms of Chandra you have a
• 50:21
  lot of CGI, you have a lot of like things you're not really.
• 50:27
  Like you may not be talking to anybody like you're talking to
• 50:30
  something that's going to be CGI, didn't later.
• 50:33
  Like, so there's a certain type of talent that you can do that
• 50:38
  very Very well and these to do it very well because a lot of
• 50:42
  times you're in a green screen and you're interacting with
• 50:46
  something that's not there and to make that believable for them
• 50:49
  to put in the CGI and believable for them to do that.
• 50:52
  It takes in my opinion takes of very skilled person to do.
• 50:59
  Yes, I agree completely with both of you guys for young, she
• 51:03
  I would say the micro expressions.
• 51:06
  And I also want to point out that he chose to do a bit of
• 51:12
  like a Devil Wears Prada with his character in that he is not
• 51:16
  every time he's angry or aggressive or rageful.
• 51:22
  He is not loud and abrasive or anything, he is very muted.
• 51:29
  And it's all in the way that he comports himself.
• 51:32
  He made the way he stiffens the way.
• 51:34
  He moves his head, the way that he is emoting very small
• 51:40
  movements on his face. They'll let you know he's
• 51:43
  fucking pissed and I love when rage is not this like complete
• 51:49
  Outburst of a thing for a character.
• 51:52
  It feels much more natural for a calculating individual to be.
• 51:59
  Calculating in their reactions and I love that he chose to do
• 52:02
  that throughout the show. We're even if he's angry even if
• 52:05
  he's upset he's not like oh and throwing things around the room
• 52:10
  and just being very loose with his reactions in his emotions.
• 52:16
  He is really dialing it in. And for by Lou I said that I've
• 52:21
  said this before on, like the goblin episode with Puck, no
• 52:27
  game going where there's Thing about like a character just
• 52:30
  doing like a guttural scream. And in the first episode, she
• 52:34
  has one of these moments where her entire Clan is obliterated
• 52:39
  and she's coming face to face with the demon god that fucking
• 52:43
  murdered everybody. Like just smirked, everybody off
• 52:45
  the planet and she's just like haha.
• 52:49
  Like she does like this really intense scream and I'm like that
• 52:53
  is one of those screams that's not necessarily just rage, it's
• 52:57
  pain, right? Like in Goblin where she looses
• 53:00
  the Goblin in that moment and she's like, I got you start
• 53:02
  screaming, you feel it in the pit of your stomach, that it's a
• 53:07
  loss, right? And it's anger and everything
• 53:12
  all mixed together and I love how by Lou did that in the
• 53:15
  beginning. She does that and various points
• 53:17
  in the show where she's just like very frustrated and in like
• 53:23
  some semblance of like existential pain, right?
• 53:27
  I Out both of their choices for the character and, you know, I
• 53:33
  don't want to beat a dead horse here.
• 53:34
  Let's move on to the Wardrobe and the styling of both of them
• 53:40
  because the one of my favorite things about the show was China
• 53:44
  of reading up on everyone's reactions to low young.
• 53:47
  She and his wardrobe the way that 10 teijin was serving
• 53:53
  throughout the show. I one of my favorite things that
• 53:57
  I read was he was part of my French.
• 53:58
  Serving content for 40 episodes. And I was like, yes, he was
• 54:02
  because there was no reason for him to be as offensively
• 54:06
  attractive. As he was in the show, he's
• 54:09
  already a fine-looking gentleman.
• 54:11
  What the fuck were they feeding him on the set?
• 54:14
  And I was like unbelievably obsessed with him in the show.
• 54:22
  This kid, the characters that he had in the show by loose looked
• 54:26
  stunning. Like would you guys think of all
• 54:28
  this? And I loved the look for both of
• 54:33
  them like I said you know right from the beginning right?
• 54:36
  From those very first you know posters that they set out.
• 54:41
  I don't know if you guys came across this because this was
• 54:45
  happening when it was on air but it was quite funny when it was
• 54:49
  airing and the first couple of episodes that you seat anti
• 54:53
  Gina's is very pitiful person. He was constantly being compared
• 54:58
  online tool Like a Disney princess because he can speak to
• 55:03
  animals and he can, you know, do all of these things and then
• 55:07
  like his Expressions would change and whatnot.
• 55:11
  And I kid you not. It was the most hilarious thing
• 55:15
  that the fandom was doing at the time.
• 55:17
  And he goes, you know, there was loads of memes and whatnot of
• 55:21
  him and obviously then has like these very flowy gowns and
• 55:25
  everybody was just going, oh my God, there's just flew you and
• 55:28
  cheese serving. Incest again, and everybody was
• 55:30
  like, it was hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.
• 55:34
  But yeah, those those were very, very comical.
• 55:37
  But the thing is, I like you as saying about, you know, his
• 55:41
  overall look to be my favorite look for him, is when he becomes
• 55:45
  the emperor and he has lovely braids in and it's like it's an
• 55:50
  Amish to like his mother's tribe.
• 55:53
  And I love it because he serves a throughout the whole of that
• 55:58
  like It's a complete change from where he starts in very plain
• 56:02
  clothing, you know, he's pretty pitiful at that point.
• 56:06
  And then he becomes like this person and this Emperor and this
• 56:10
  powerful character and he's wearing a very heavy clothing,
• 56:14
  very like beautiful, you know, clothing on him and Lisa.
• 56:20
  So you know by Lou what can you say?
• 56:21
  I still cannot believe that people said she wasn't, you
• 56:25
  know, uh, beautiful enough to pull off a goddamn like I don't
• 56:29
  We'll get into like some of the controversies right after this.
• 56:31
  And then we're going like to. Yeah, we're gonna go right into
• 56:34
  like the eras of the show and talk about each section,
• 56:38
  basically, but I read online the other day, they had this
• 56:41
  beautiful freaking photo of ten teijin before he becomes the
• 56:46
  Jing King and he's wearing again like these beautiful flowy.
• 56:51
  Robes. And the robes had like their
• 56:54
  speckled with red which are stunning.
• 56:57
  It's like these layers of blue And white and then speckled with
• 57:00
  red and someone was like, yes, it's could be part of staying
• 57:05
  that way or died that way, but it could also be because of all
• 57:09
  the years of abuse that this character suffered that the
• 57:12
  blood just doesn't wash out of the clothes anymore.
• 57:15
  So, it's like for a reminder of the pain and anguish that he's
• 57:19
  been suffering all these years because the blood at just
• 57:22
  doesn't come out of his clothes and I was like that is a
• 57:24
  brilliant idea to kind of poetically.
• 57:30
  Reference the clothes right that he's wearing and how it
• 57:33
  represents the character. I love the braids and the hair
• 57:38
  for when he is the king and I for by Lou my favorite look is
• 57:44
  in the board a life the enlightened life when she goes
• 57:49
  and becomes a devil and like the black black and I think there's
• 57:54
  like a little bit of red in it. That outfit was like stunning to
• 57:58
  me. I was like, oh my God, she looks
• 58:00
  so good as a devil and lots of lots of looks in the show were
• 58:08
  amazing. Do you know there is I think I
• 58:12
  saved the Tweet somewhere but they said there was close to
• 58:17
  4,000 sketches for this drama in terms of looks and I feel like
• 58:24
  this Sean sure is one of the very very very few where every
• 58:30
  single life is distinct in their clothing but every clothing
• 58:35
  links back. So basically, you know in the
• 58:38
  bore our life minghui He has the badge like the red around his
• 58:44
  waist when he gets married like the red strength, those strings,
• 58:48
  get carried on and that's like an almost like him paying almost
• 58:52
  to like the wedding with, you know, seung-jo in that life.
• 58:56
  And if you look later when, you know closer to the end, there's
• 59:02
  same outfit when he, you know, this is like episode 4, 40, he
• 59:06
  still has those red strings on and it's like, The way they link
• 59:11
  these clothes together. It's just stunning for me by
• 59:14
  Lou. It's one outfit that she wore
• 59:17
  very very little amount of time and it's like that gold outfit
• 59:21
  would like the white and that outfit is was that like at the
• 59:25
  end of the show and she becomes the goddess, not that one, the
• 59:29
  one when she is basically on the I think it's episode 26 27, when
• 59:36
  she exactly that one that Stunning stunning, absolutely
• 59:43
  stunning stunning, but then, but then she has like the orange
• 59:47
  one. We're right at the end.
• 59:49
  This is it end of episode 40 and she's sitting on the boulder
• 59:52
  with the you know little girl and that's that that dress that
• 59:56
  orange dress is also stunning. Do you know I think that the
• 1:00:02
  show does I mean most chances do this but I think the show
• 1:00:05
  particularly does a really good job.
• 1:00:06
  Like you said of it's using the Wardrobe to also indicate what
• 1:00:11
  stage of Life there at what their mental state is, how
• 1:00:14
  they've journeyed through the show as a character.
• 1:00:17
  And at the end of the show when she's in these oranges, it is
• 1:00:20
  not only a stunning Alpha, but it also kind of pulls from her
• 1:00:24
  mother and her mother's outfit as the goddess of space, her
• 1:00:28
  where she was in. He's like, deep oranges.
• 1:00:31
  And again, it's like her accepting her identity, her
• 1:00:35
  accepting her role as a goddess. And, you know, With her mother
• 1:00:40
  and her mother's, tribe is the Phoenix Clan and stuff like
• 1:00:44
  that. It is so beautiful to see it
• 1:00:48
  represented in the clothing. And I love the red string that
• 1:00:51
  you were talking about 410 tie as well.
• 1:00:54
  I just the red string is always like a good idea to me, but it
• 1:00:57
  represents them. The love love lines and stuff
• 1:01:00
  like that, fate and destiny, in terms of romance.
• 1:01:04
  I love that. I love all that, but like just
• 1:01:08
  just a, I'll just leave This very last or even for like their
• 1:01:12
  daughter, even her clothing is a mixture of both tan taejin and,
• 1:01:19
  you know, Sue, Sue. Like if you look at the
• 1:01:22
  clothing, that's that little girl is wearing at the end.
• 1:01:25
  It's like a mixture of both of her heritage's.
• 1:01:28
  And like, I feel like the costuming department in this
• 1:01:32
  drama. Just nailed it.
• 1:01:34
  Just nailed. And I do too controversy.
• 1:01:37
  Let's talk about controversy because you mentioned Some of it
• 1:01:41
  rapid fire Bull young. She is too thin for the role.
• 1:01:48
  Right. As I understand is that he was
• 1:01:51
  injured before filming and he was recovering, and that's why
• 1:01:55
  he something about his jaw, had to be wired, shut or something.
• 1:02:00
  He was on a liquid diet, but I like you and she has always been
• 1:02:04
  on the thinner side. Anyways, it's a balaram.
• 1:02:07
  He's a ballet dancer like, what, what do you expect out of him?
• 1:02:11
  But also there was complaints that the makeup he was wearing
• 1:02:15
  was making him look. Look really, really frail.
• 1:02:18
  Newsflash, the he is described in the book as this very pale
• 1:02:24
  red lipped again, princess reference red, you do pale red
• 1:02:29
  lipped character throughout the whole book.
• 1:02:32
  So the writers and the directing people were just paying homage
• 1:02:36
  to what the book said about tan taejin and people like our, he
• 1:02:40
  looks to fray, or he looks too skinny, like how we meant to
• 1:02:43
  ship him as like this powerful. And I'm like, he can be powerful
• 1:02:48
  without being this over masculine, you know.
• 1:02:51
  It doesn't have to show Power in that way.
• 1:02:53
  You can show Power in various ways, but yet he, there was a
• 1:02:57
  big thing about land. I was like, I don't see it, I am
• 1:03:01
  fight to the point where actually Yoku went in and redid
• 1:03:05
  some of his makeup. So if you look at some episodes,
• 1:03:09
  his makeup looks different. It's because Yoku went in and
• 1:03:12
  re-edited just because people will like it, his makeup looks
• 1:03:14
  like this. And that like it.
• 1:03:16
  Exactly, as he the people who read the book said, that's how
• 1:03:20
  he is described in the book, some sequences were lifted from
• 1:03:24
  a videogame, folks, online hated the drama and we're really,
• 1:03:29
  really vocal about it. Tried to ruin the drama for
• 1:03:31
  others. It was the drawing was filmed
• 1:03:34
  about a year ago and it took a really long time to edit down
• 1:03:39
  and come to Premiere in debut. It was originally 56 ish
• 1:03:44
  episodes and was cut down to 40 after the Mandate was put in
• 1:03:47
  place. So a major complaint for people
• 1:03:50
  with not just that it was cut down and we had stuff left on
• 1:03:54
  The Cutting Room floor, but that the pacing was very jerky
• 1:03:58
  herky-jerky and felt throughout the show, Caitlin, did you feel
• 1:04:02
  like that was the case for you? Um, overall know, I didn't, I
• 1:04:07
  thought they did a fairly good job in terms of where to cut
• 1:04:13
  what to show. I do think You can tell a little
• 1:04:17
  bit because I did have a couple like unanswered questions by the
• 1:04:22
  end. You can tell very like in the
• 1:04:24
  last probably like five to six episodes.
• 1:04:27
  You can you can definitely tell a lot more compared to the rest
• 1:04:31
  of it and speaking like a lot of people were saying because what
• 1:04:37
  I love about some of these dramas out of get really, really
• 1:04:39
  popular. Is some of the supporting
• 1:04:41
  characters get as much love as some of the, as the Leads.
• 1:04:46
  Do so like, some people were mad that the second couple didn't
• 1:04:52
  get as much scenes as they should.
• 1:04:55
  I loved the third couple and I was very heartbroken that they
• 1:04:59
  were not in the third part of this drama.
• 1:05:02
  Like I was like, heartbroken, but I think it like the the one
• 1:05:06
  of the controversies was like They should not have cut so much
• 1:05:12
  of the second couple because, apparently, according to the
• 1:05:15
  book, there was a lot more scenes explaining and giving
• 1:05:18
  them more depth. Hmm.
• 1:05:21
  Honestly, because I kind of hated both of them, I didn't
• 1:05:24
  really care, but I'm book. I mean speaking to what you guys
• 1:05:28
  said where it's like, if you can act a role.
• 1:05:31
  So well that you end up hating that person, it is nothing to do
• 1:05:36
  with these actors. Acting whatsoever like the fact
• 1:05:39
  that I was so much hating these two people and honestly, I
• 1:05:43
  didn't think I would hate, what's his name?
• 1:05:48
  Jiu-ge? Whoo.
• 1:05:50
  Like as much like that actor, up to that point was not a bad
• 1:05:54
  character until the third act. So like the fact that I could
• 1:05:58
  hate you so much in the last ten episodes just like speak to me.
• 1:06:03
  How well his acting was, but yeah.
• 1:06:06
  Oh my God. Okay, so let's pause.
• 1:06:07
  Here. Because let this is a great
• 1:06:10
  point that the pacing issues translated also into us getting
• 1:06:15
  a lot more of the second couple. And the third couple, the
• 1:06:18
  character that you're referring to is played by Bing.
• 1:06:20
  Bing way, he plays Shaolin and jiwoo and son.
• 1:06:25
  You in the, the three eras of the show.
• 1:06:30
  What did you get? I mean, you hated this character
• 1:06:32
  by the end, specification. All right, so really quick on
• 1:06:39
  this guy, this this actor then we I watched him in half, I
• 1:06:44
  watched half of the show miss the dragon, oh my God, I hated
• 1:06:48
  that show thought he and I thought him like dang way.
• 1:06:52
  That guy terrible actor. So when I saw him in the show, I
• 1:06:57
  was like oh fuck. Here we go again.
• 1:06:58
  So then I thought he was much improved only in the body life
• 1:07:05
  stuff. Only an enlightened life was, I
• 1:07:07
  like, oh, he's really passable as an actor.
• 1:07:11
  The rest of the show, I was like, I hate this guy, I don't
• 1:07:14
  think he's acting very well, I don't think because they tried
• 1:07:17
  to give him a bit of like, a conflict at the end of the show,
• 1:07:20
  especially, which was half-baked and possibly a side.
• 1:07:24
  Effect of them, cutting down the episodes, but yeah.
• 1:07:29
  I didn't like him. I didn't believe in any of the,
• 1:07:32
  the romance with him. In the sister, I believe their
• 1:07:38
  romance, like I could get behind their romance.
• 1:07:41
  It's just like, okay. So like for me with for me in
• 1:07:46
  terms of done Ways, last life, and this is not really
• 1:07:50
  specifically his character but it's the Trope and Sean show
• 1:07:54
  aware like the good sex sex, like Arts, technically not good,
• 1:08:01
  like they just like for then this is a Trope across a.
• 1:08:05
  So I wasn't surprised when this happened but like when a
• 1:08:07
  controversy happens usually when one of the good guys main
• 1:08:11
  character like in this one low, you she She is exposed as like
• 1:08:17
  the big bad guy, they never investigate anything, they
• 1:08:21
  always just like this is like the one Viewpoint we have.
• 1:08:24
  We're gonna be like call you a criminal and even usually what
• 1:08:29
  happens is the person with that Viewpoint is actually the bad
• 1:08:32
  guy or one of the bad guys. So it drove me nuts that jiwoo
• 1:08:38
  just was like okay we have this one snippet of this one guy.
• 1:08:43
  Who actually was kind of bad and always murderous all the time
• 1:08:47
  claiming that lose you and she's character was this like horrible
• 1:08:52
  person who murdered everybody and I'm not going to listen to
• 1:08:56
  anything. Like I'm not and I mean, granted
• 1:08:59
  they, the writers did try to put him in terms of like a love line
• 1:09:03
  with by lose character in that third era.
• 1:09:05
  So he was also doing out of jealousy.
• 1:09:09
  I think the problem I had with it is just like Here's the past.
• 1:09:13
  Two characters were not like this whatsoever, he never really
• 1:09:18
  had that love story connection with by lose character in the
• 1:09:22
  past eras. So I couldn't really believe him
• 1:09:25
  having a love connection with by Lou in the third era and the
• 1:09:31
  fact that they just made him go so bad.
• 1:09:33
  But then at the end I also was like confused.
• 1:09:36
  This was one of my questions is like What the heck happened to
• 1:09:40
  him? At the end?
• 1:09:41
  Like they like he like he like got took all this evil energy.
• 1:09:45
  And yes, Lucchese character like took it back from him but like
• 1:09:49
  probably never showed what happened.
• 1:09:52
  They never showed him giving punishment for what he did.
• 1:09:55
  They never showed actually like if he ever like ruled afterward,
• 1:09:59
  like nothing. So that was like, one of my
• 1:10:01
  things was like okay, well this is to obviously a pacing thing.
• 1:10:04
  They probably cut the scenes, whatever, but we never really
• 1:10:07
  even got a Satisfying ending for that character because he did
• 1:10:11
  technically, like become an version of a Devil Himself for
• 1:10:17
  jealousy reasons. So, and then again, maybe it was
• 1:10:21
  just because due to the cutting and having to get down the 40
• 1:10:24
  episodes, though, they never really got a satisfying ending
• 1:10:26
  with him. But yeah, I think it was just
• 1:10:29
  spoke to the Trope and of a Trope that we usually see in
• 1:10:32
  Chandra where the good s not really always good.
• 1:10:38
  For me personally, just picking up on Kate.
• 1:10:41
  What Kaitlyn is saying. I actually like that Trope of
• 1:10:45
  the good sect, isn't a good sector tool, because it kind of
• 1:10:49
  shows the good isn't necessarily good and, you know, heaven isn't
• 1:10:53
  necessarily good and demons aren't necessarily bad.
• 1:10:57
  So I there's, you know, I always kind of enjoy that.
• 1:11:00
  And that is very, very common insurances.
• 1:11:03
  I mean, some of the worst people in, you know, drama and she
• 1:11:06
  answers that I've met there from the heavenly.
• 1:11:08
  Well, and, you know, they're despicable but that they're
• 1:11:12
  supposed to be the good ones, you know, but that doesn't
• 1:11:14
  necessarily mean they are. And I think that when it comes
• 1:11:19
  to the, you know, when you come to the end of the drama and the
• 1:11:22
  only all of the gods have been eradicated, they gave themselves
• 1:11:26
  up to seal. You know, the devil Garden in
• 1:11:30
  the bore a life. We saw that in the brewery life
• 1:11:32
  and the only person in 10,000 years who has managed to become
• 1:11:37
  a true God, And be elevated to that.
• 1:11:40
  Status is Lee, soo soo sheet. He is the only person and that
• 1:11:44
  just shows you how, you know, difficult, it is to get to the
• 1:11:48
  position where you do get that power.
• 1:11:51
  But in terms of like what we were saying about, you know,
• 1:11:55
  Tanguay and I have, you know, like if you've heard by
• 1:12:00
  episodes, you know, I have problems with this couple and
• 1:12:05
  I'm right sweet. To me whether it's a pacing
• 1:12:10
  problem, a story problem, I haven't been able to figure it
• 1:12:13
  out but people were complaining. Oh, they have so much.
• 1:12:17
  They don't really have any screen time and funnily enough.
• 1:12:20
  If you went into mdl right at the beginning of this, you know,
• 1:12:24
  when this drama was airing, those two characters they were
• 1:12:27
  listed as main characters. If you go into mdl right now,
• 1:12:31
  they are listed as support roles which is what they should have
• 1:12:34
  been right from the beginning. They are not, they are support.
• 1:12:38
  Right? And people were complaining.
• 1:12:40
  Oh, they have too little time and I'm like her, don't you
• 1:12:43
  think they're gonna cut out? Do you think they're gonna cut
• 1:12:45
  out luo Yin Shi? And by Lu, that's their money
• 1:12:47
  bills. Like they're not gonna take away
• 1:12:51
  from their sins and actually they cut a bunch of by Lou
• 1:12:55
  scenes on her own that actually describes a lot of what she's
• 1:12:58
  doing and a lot of what she's thinking, they cut a bunch of
• 1:13:01
  those out, but they're not going to cut out your main couple that
• 1:13:04
  tells you the story like that's what people are mainly going.
• 1:13:08
  Going in for. So I have a problem with this
• 1:13:12
  feet with this actress, you know, with Chen, dueling, I for
• 1:13:17
  me, right? I don't understand her point in
• 1:13:21
  this drug like shit. First of all, first of all,
• 1:13:25
  she's a crybaby that like, literally sits there and waits
• 1:13:28
  for a man to do everything for her, that to me, is one of the
• 1:13:32
  worst things you can do to a female character in a drama,
• 1:13:35
  like, I don't, you know, understand why.
• 1:13:38
  There's a need in the 21st century to still be doing
• 1:13:41
  characters like that. She I mean there was characters
• 1:13:45
  that were a lot weaker than her and they would they would still
• 1:13:49
  stand up. Now the thing that I said when
• 1:13:52
  people were like, oh but you know they cut out a bunch of
• 1:13:56
  scenes and I was like the third couple had even less screen time
• 1:14:00
  and their chemistry sizzled on screen.
• 1:14:02
  So don't tell me it's like an issue with having, you know,
• 1:14:07
  less time on screen. I mean, because you can make it
• 1:14:10
  happen. You just have to, like, bring
• 1:14:11
  that to the table, and I think this is where my problem is
• 1:14:15
  coming from. I would have to watch these two,
• 1:14:18
  again, in something else to truly figure out.
• 1:14:20
  If it's a case of them having less screen or whatever it may
• 1:14:25
  be, or if it's a problem that these two actors just in Mash
• 1:14:28
  very well together on screen, or if it's a writing problem.
• 1:14:31
  But to me that couple in general just really didn't work.
• 1:14:35
  I wasn't, you know, grabbed by her performance.
• 1:14:38
  Screen. So yeah.
• 1:14:40
  Okay, so for me I agree with both of you guys in a sense
• 1:14:43
  because I don't think that thing way was doing a good job acting.
• 1:14:47
  I don't think that tend to Lange was also doing a good job
• 1:14:51
  acting. I don't think that they had
• 1:14:52
  great chemistry as a couple as a third couple so to speak.
• 1:14:56
  I thought that When you talk about Shaolin like, that's a
• 1:15:01
  very righteous character. And no I don't think that the
• 1:15:05
  Nuance that they kind of sort of wanted for that character worked
• 1:15:09
  necessarily because ultimately he was like a one-note dude,
• 1:15:13
  like just a general good guy. And then do you again, they
• 1:15:17
  tried to make him like one note, but it doesn't work because he
• 1:15:22
  sort of out of jealousy or just What's the word pride?
• 1:15:27
  He wants to win and he want the Heats.
• 1:15:30
  Not necessarily like we have to save the world.
• 1:15:33
  It's a little more for selfish reasons.
• 1:15:35
  That he decides to engage in the demon arts or whatever and
• 1:15:40
  becomes like semi demon wish at the end of the show.
• 1:15:46
  So again, like each each of his personas, like I have issues
• 1:15:50
  with four Yapping, Chang the sister.
• 1:15:56
  I agree to a to a certain point that I don't like how she was
• 1:16:01
  sort of written or played as a victim, right?
• 1:16:05
  And as a, as a person who is very antagonistic toward our
• 1:16:10
  main couple and toward ye Shi, woo, it was very frustrated to
• 1:16:16
  see like an evil character claim, victimhood, all the time,
• 1:16:20
  what I thought was smart about her character as the sisters,
• 1:16:25
  especially It was that she was weaponizing like her femininity
• 1:16:32
  a lot. So she was being very
• 1:16:34
  manipulative and being like all I do is depend on you and like
• 1:16:39
  I'm a woman and I can't do this and I can't do that and it's
• 1:16:41
  like of course. She's right in a sense like for
• 1:16:46
  sure in this in this world. Yes, she has way less agency but
• 1:16:51
  at the same time she is very manipulative and she is Um,
• 1:16:57
  moving puzzle pieces around. She's playing chess with the
• 1:17:00
  other characters and they have no idea.
• 1:17:01
  She's a player. So at the same time I also feel
• 1:17:05
  like we have to give her a little more credit for
• 1:17:07
  weaponizing, her femininity. The frustrating thing about her
• 1:17:12
  character is that she's a fucking bitch for 99% of the
• 1:17:16
  show. So nobody's gonna like a
• 1:17:19
  character like that, who is a logically evil right for us.
• 1:17:26
  It doesn't quite make sense for her to be so antagonistic and so
• 1:17:29
  evil. And so irrational.
• 1:17:31
  Especially I felt like embody life and in the preceding
• 1:17:36
  episodes after they get out of the dream.
• 1:17:39
  You're like, well why like there's no reason.
• 1:17:42
  Yes, she has like this inferiority complex.
• 1:17:44
  Yes, she has been through some mistreatment within the family
• 1:17:48
  because she's not the favorite daughter but at the same time
• 1:17:51
  she brings it on herself later on in the show and she refuses
• 1:17:54
  to give up the love thread. She like is not sorry for
• 1:17:57
  anything that she's done. She doesn't, she doesn't repent
• 1:18:01
  at any point. So there's no reason for us to
• 1:18:03
  sort of like get behind her as a character.
• 1:18:06
  Again, the chemistry between the both of them zilch, what I will
• 1:18:11
  say is that in the final few episodes where she is now back
• 1:18:16
  to herself as moan? You like the sister of the one
• 1:18:23
  of the henge women to yang. See ya Yin singing sister.
• 1:18:28
  I was laughing my ass off when they revealed that she was like
• 1:18:31
  in the umbrella the whole time and like she just regenerated
• 1:18:36
  now, she's back. Of course, of course, she's back
• 1:18:42
  as an actual demon and she had been going through trials, and
• 1:18:47
  all of this stuff they tried to give her an arc in the last few
• 1:18:50
  episodes. And I'm curious if you thought
• 1:18:52
  that, that worked with how she was like, Like should I be evil?
• 1:18:58
  I can't let go of like my human realm experiences and this list
• 1:19:02
  love or Twisted love that I had with Shaolin and stuff like
• 1:19:07
  that. I don't know.
• 1:19:08
  I don't think it worked at all. I think like the problem is is
• 1:19:12
  at that point, you hated her so much.
• 1:19:15
  Like you didn't want that Redemptive Arc be like, you
• 1:19:18
  didn't believe in even if and honestly I don't think it was a
• 1:19:21
  terms of cutting for that character like you hated her so
• 1:19:25
  much by then. Like you didn't believe anything
• 1:19:28
  she said or anything. She was thinking because she was
• 1:19:33
  so manipulative up to that point.
• 1:19:36
  I don't think I don't think. I don't think it was needed.
• 1:19:41
  I don't think it would have been believable even if they did have
• 1:19:44
  56 episodes to do it. I yeah, I don't.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:50
  Did you have thoughts Liliana about this character?
• 1:19:53
  And so I have so many this character, I think the problem
• 1:19:59
  for me is that even if I really, really hate a character, I can
• 1:20:03
  appreciate the acting if that makes sense.
• 1:20:06
  So if a, you know, an actor or an actress can make me
• 1:20:11
  absolutely hate them and, you know, feel very strong feelings
• 1:20:15
  towards them, then they did a pretty good job.
• 1:20:19
  But for this one, I just can't, you know, I don't know.
• 1:20:23
  I feel like the actress didn't, you know, I don't even know how
• 1:20:27
  to explain it, but she just didn't grab me.
• 1:20:29
  Like, any time, she's on screen. I'm just like, you know, roll my
• 1:20:33
  eyes, kind of thing. I'm like, oh here she comes
• 1:20:35
  again, that sort of thing, if that makes sense.
• 1:20:39
  So yeah, I think I character was, she may have suffered from,
• 1:20:46
  you know, in terms of whatever they had to cut out for her, we
• 1:20:51
  will never know because we don't have access to, you know, a
• 1:20:54
  full, you know, drama with all the episodes and uncut version
• 1:21:00
  so to speak. So we will never know whether
• 1:21:03
  this is for me. Anyways, this is what I said in
• 1:21:06
  like my episode is, I will never know if it's an actress thing or
• 1:21:10
  if it's a drama thing for this drama, specifically.
• 1:21:13
  Like I who knows, it might be that later on.
• 1:21:16
  I might watch something that she's in and We really enjoy her
• 1:21:20
  but, you know, I don't know. I think if they wanted to do a
• 1:21:24
  Redemption Arc for her. There was a really, really,
• 1:21:29
  really good chance for her to do that after the bore a life.
• 1:21:32
  I mean, she experienced that tragedy like she knew like, you
• 1:21:39
  know, the outcome, why are you repeating the same mistakes?
• 1:21:42
  Again, it's going to get, you know, where it's going to get
• 1:21:44
  you absolutely nowhere and like, for Shaolin it was the exact
• 1:21:48
  same thing like Like in the first instance where I get it
• 1:21:52
  that he's like he had this, you know, filial pity towards his
• 1:21:56
  father but it's like dude you need to look and see that your
• 1:22:00
  dad as an emperor is destroying the country.
• 1:22:04
  Like he is greedy for power and even then he's still obeys his
• 1:22:08
  father when he could truly at that point gone.
• 1:22:11
  Okay. I you know can take Jin is like
• 1:22:14
  he could have just observed and seen that Tans hygiene was the
• 1:22:18
  better choice. The better a and he could have
• 1:22:20
  been like, okay, just like the general like, Lisa soon, at
• 1:22:25
  least so you, she worries brother.
• 1:22:26
  Yeah, he laid his weapons down because he knew that the people
• 1:22:31
  were more important than his pride and that's what I don't
• 1:22:36
  like about shaolin's character is that he's too righteous.
• 1:22:39
  But by being too righteous, he actually ends up doing the wrong
• 1:22:43
  thing by his people. So it shows that he was never
• 1:22:47
  meant to be a leader. Like that is not what a leader.
• 1:22:49
  They should do a leader, should look around and like, look at
• 1:22:52
  what's best for his people and he decided that wasn't the case.
• 1:22:56
  Like he wanted to fight right to the end.
• 1:22:58
  So and it's like at that point and you come up and he does the
• 1:23:03
  same mistakes again. And you'll like, this is why I
• 1:23:06
  Can't Get Behind these characters is because you can't
• 1:23:10
  keep repeating the same mistakes and like, keep hitting your head
• 1:23:13
  against the wall and it's not going to give you a new outcome.
• 1:23:16
  And I think for you being Chung Any more new later on.
• 1:23:21
  She knows everything. Like she knows her past life.
• 1:23:25
  So for her, it's even more frustrating because she's been
• 1:23:28
  through this three times at this point and it's like, what what
• 1:23:32
  why is this not getting through? Like this is not going to get
• 1:23:36
  you anywhere. You know, Shaolin.
• 1:23:39
  I can give him like a little bit of discredit because he doesn't
• 1:23:42
  remember those past lives like but you know, I that was my
• 1:23:46
  problem with their characters. It was the fact that That they
• 1:23:50
  kept flirting. Exactly.
• 1:23:52
  They didn't learn. And there was no development
• 1:23:54
  there and I really don't like, when there's not enough
• 1:23:58
  development in a character or no development at all, which is the
• 1:24:01
  case for both of these. So, yeah, that was my overall
• 1:24:05
  problem with both of these characters.
• 1:24:07
  I think, when you add something, I will say to, like, in terms of
• 1:24:11
  done ways character like, Which end do language was with Manu
• 1:24:16
  with the with the last life like we were saying, they were trying
• 1:24:19
  to give her a Redemptive Arc. She was kind of sorry for what
• 1:24:23
  she was done. Like had done WID Dem way even
• 1:24:27
  with jiewu like we were talking about how like he still went
• 1:24:30
  with his father Shaolin also like still was like, okay, my
• 1:24:36
  father is making us go to war. We're gonna lose.
• 1:24:39
  I'm still going to take my people in and whatever.
• 1:24:43
  Like I can't disagree with him, he still did that in jiwoo in
• 1:24:47
  the terms of a different way, like he absorbed the evil people
• 1:24:51
  like evil, essence of that energy energy.
• 1:24:55
  He still took his people to the abyss like, I think he was worse
• 1:25:02
  in the third era than Mo new was because he especially didn't
• 1:25:08
  learn from any of that. Like and then granted, yeah, he
• 1:25:11
  didn't remember anything but Like he watched it like they
• 1:25:15
  went by Lou showed. Yeah they got the Supercar.
• 1:25:18
  Yeah they got the Supercut like it shows to his character on
• 1:25:24
  like there was never going to be development for him.
• 1:25:28
  He was always going to do what he wanted to do to get whether
• 1:25:35
  that was to be perceived as a righteous leader to like he was
• 1:25:38
  a god at that point and he still took his people in and became
• 1:25:44
  the devil God. In the in his own way to win.
• 1:25:49
  Like he was never going to get that.
• 1:25:51
  So I found that quite interesting.
• 1:25:52
  Even in the third life, he made those choices.
• 1:25:55
  Even if he did get the super cut and of his like God's part of
• 1:26:00
  this spark notes of that and didn't learn from at all.
• 1:26:04
  So I found that quite interesting.
• 1:26:06
  Whereas he still made those actions.
• 1:26:08
  Granted they were a little different than following his
• 1:26:11
  King crazy King father. But Yeah, Mmm.
• 1:26:15
  Yeah Liliana. Yeah, I will say though, like
• 1:26:20
  seeing something happen and actually experiencing it might
• 1:26:23
  be different. I would say but also none of
• 1:26:27
  them at that point. They you just mentioned you
• 1:26:31
  know. He's a got there like Immortals
• 1:26:33
  at that point they're not like Gods.
• 1:26:35
  I wouldn't you know because the only gods they have.
• 1:26:38
  They're all dead and gone. I like accessories and are full
• 1:26:41
  of God's will God at the beginning.
• 1:26:43
  Intro sequence. He says young Immortal.
• 1:26:46
  Yeah, well suicide yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:50
  Because they're like, I think in Sharjah it's a little bit it can
• 1:26:54
  get a little bit Lost in Translation, in terms of like,
• 1:26:57
  who was who, and what is what, but none of them are like, you
• 1:27:01
  know, God's there Immortals. The only one that is, God would
• 1:27:05
  be the devil God because he was created out of something.
• 1:27:09
  And then obviously, you had like Ming ways story, they were the
• 1:27:13
  Bullets, but they're all, you know, dead and then by the end,
• 1:27:17
  the only one that can be referred to as a God would be
• 1:27:22
  Lee su su there even like when their address each other, they
• 1:27:25
  address each other as Immortal or, you know, this or that.
• 1:27:28
  So, but I think again, like he was saying he never learns, they
• 1:27:33
  don't learn. And that is my main problem with
• 1:27:36
  these two characters, I think it's very problem, not
• 1:27:39
  problematic, but it's frustrating.
• 1:27:41
  When you see characters were Turn to bad decisions but also
• 1:27:46
  any time a character has goes on some sort of like suicide
• 1:27:50
  mission. You know, it's not going to end
• 1:27:51
  well. You know, they can choose a
• 1:27:53
  different path and in the, you know, what a life it was Shaolin
• 1:27:58
  didn't need to abide by his father's commands.
• 1:28:01
  His father was a fucking lunatic and he was prideful and was a
• 1:28:06
  bad leader and all this stuff and he still knew all this and
• 1:28:08
  still want on his suicide Miss admission as you in the final
• 1:28:12
  life again. He knows that it's a failed
• 1:28:15
  Mission. They can't really do much damage
• 1:28:17
  to the devil God and he makes a bad decision to absorb all that
• 1:28:22
  energy and again goes on the sort of suicide mission.
• 1:28:25
  And to me the reasons for a suicide mission, the intention
• 1:28:29
  behind it is always more intention more important than.
• 1:28:33
  Oh they're just going to do this drastic thing right?
• 1:28:36
  For the sake of the plot for an example I really it's very
• 1:28:40
  heartbreaking to me to see like the suicide mission in Lord of
• 1:28:44
  the Rings with the Gondor family, like the Stuart family
• 1:28:48
  with its boromir's brother. I forget his name here faramir,
• 1:28:54
  thank you so much. I'm a huge level TR fan and I'm
• 1:28:56
  here I am forgetting para me. So faramir suicide mission which
• 1:28:59
  stems from him feeling unloved by his father right?
• 1:29:05
  You feel like that is you feel like it's obviously he knows
• 1:29:08
  it's a bad decision but he's also looking to just take
• 1:29:12
  himself out of the equation because Of all of these
• 1:29:15
  emotional scars and the way that his father treats him, he's just
• 1:29:19
  feels like he's better off being out of the picture.
• 1:29:22
  So for that suicide mission, I'm like okay this is like a really
• 1:29:25
  juicy reason to just take yourself off the plane board and
• 1:29:30
  for the character Shaolin jiwoo Sanju, whatever, all of these
• 1:29:37
  iterations of him. You're never feeling like
• 1:29:40
  heartbroken that he's making this decision right?
• 1:29:43
  You're never feeling this is warranted in some Twisted way.
• 1:29:48
  It's so that's what's annoying to me about that character,
• 1:29:51
  going back to. And I think we should wrap this
• 1:29:53
  discussion of, of these two characters.
• 1:29:55
  I guess we had a lot to say about these these two, but for
• 1:30:00
  ten dueling's, yapping, Chong and money, or what however you
• 1:30:04
  pronounce her name in the final iteration, I don't like how they
• 1:30:08
  just sort of throw at you. And again, this might be the
• 1:30:10
  pacing thing. This might be the Cutting Room
• 1:30:12
  floor, tom. But these sort of she comes back
• 1:30:15
  to life as ammonia. And she's restored to her Baron
• 1:30:21
  Abyss evil Immortal self. She ID eights this plan to get
• 1:30:25
  the devil fetus by using his beloved Susu against them.
• 1:30:29
  They're like, she's like use his love for sousou, to get him on
• 1:30:33
  your side and get him, coerce him into being the devil.
• 1:30:36
  God fine. Then she fucks off to the Mortal
• 1:30:39
  realm to open a silk shop and live a quiet life.
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  It's just like doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of
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  like, okay, so she was evil a sucking going a second ago and
• 1:30:49
  now she's giving it all up for. What?
• 1:30:52
  Exactly and it doesn't it doesn't make any sense in it for
• 1:30:56
  her character and the way that she's been throughout the show
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  then she suddenly has like these deep meaningful connection
• 1:31:04
  feelings with Shaolin. Who is now Jew?
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  And now she at least genuinely values his presence and So what
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  gives is she evil or not? She confronts her, white-haired
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  sister see. See see seeing seeing?
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  Yeah. And it's like, why are you?
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  Why are you supporting the devil?
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  God, why do you are? Why are you still on his side?
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  You she's talking about like reciprocity, like you're not
• 1:31:32
  getting out of anything out of this relationship with the
• 1:31:35
  devil. God, it's all one-sided.
• 1:31:37
  Why are you still on his side and questioning her dedication?
• 1:31:41
  It like it's very smart, but it's also doesn't mesh with her
• 1:31:48
  character that we've seen for, like, 30 35 episodes.
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  So that's what's really frustrating to me is that we get
• 1:31:56
  all this growth without seeing the journey, you know what I'm
• 1:32:00
  saying? Yeah, I feel like that's
• 1:32:04
  probably where the cutting. Yeah.
• 1:32:06
  Kind of affected their story quite a bit.
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  So I think we've talked enough about the that couple.
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  Did you guys want to talk about this second couples, which
• 1:32:20
  seemed to work for everybody? Okay, let's talk about them for
• 1:32:22
  a few minutes. So what are their names?
• 1:32:26
  It's p and Ron. And seeing seeing you Ching?
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  Hua qian gu yeah. Uuh in your Chemistry.
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  Hmm. Okay.
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  And say, do you guys want to speak on it?
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  What were your like favorite? I am and stuff.
• 1:32:39
  I love this couple. I was I was so into this couple
• 1:32:43
  and I love them so much. I love the fact like even if
• 1:32:48
  they were third couple As and you spoke on this Liliana is
• 1:32:53
  like their chemistry was just so good and the like they had it's
• 1:32:59
  for me like they seem to have like a natural progression to
• 1:33:04
  their relationship. It wasn't like oh you are the
• 1:33:07
  third couple like King you like really didn't know how to feel
• 1:33:13
  about her at first. Like you could tell he was
• 1:33:15
  attracted to her, but she knew she was a demon.
• 1:33:19
  He knew like he was The righteous General.
• 1:33:22
  It was never going to work. Like he was trying to not be in
• 1:33:27
  a relationship but he obviously was attracted to her.
• 1:33:31
  She had a past of like being in a relationship with a general
• 1:33:35
  that obviously didn't work out. So she was also trying not to be
• 1:33:39
  in the relationship but also was very flirty because that was a
• 1:33:42
  demon personality. But I just love the progress in
• 1:33:46
  of their relationship and just how they Came to realize, they
• 1:33:51
  did have feelings for each other and did enjoy their company, and
• 1:33:55
  was generally happy to be together.
• 1:34:00
  And then, of course, we had their tragic ending, which was
• 1:34:04
  just so tragic. Like, it was beautiful.
• 1:34:08
  It was a beautifully shot scene, and it was just so tragically
• 1:34:12
  beautiful. But like, the more tragic park
• 1:34:14
  for me was is like we didn't get them in the third era.
• 1:34:18
  We got him, we got Got him. And even him was very, I had
• 1:34:22
  some questions about his ending to because it was like,
• 1:34:25
  obviously, she dies and he absorbs her power to stay alive.
• 1:34:33
  They never explained. Like, because you see him in the
• 1:34:36
  third era, like, saving his City with his powers and his hair
• 1:34:40
  turning white. They never explained that they
• 1:34:43
  never explained what he actually was, they never late.
• 1:34:46
  And I feel like that probably was a cutting thing.
• 1:34:49
  Again, they probably Shoot some type of explanation with that
• 1:34:52
  but like I really because I love this couple so much, I really
• 1:34:56
  wanted to see them at least have one special seen or him at least
• 1:35:00
  like talking to her tombstone or something in the third era and
• 1:35:06
  we didn't get any of that. She kind of just was like God.
• 1:35:10
  So yeah. So I was going to say we're
• 1:35:15
  actually really lucky of what we got with this couple because if
• 1:35:20
  you are To refer to the book, our little fox dies, very, very
• 1:35:25
  quickly. She you know, when they first
• 1:35:29
  find her character and it's just after like the heat she's in the
• 1:35:33
  bedroom with him and then turn taejin and sousou like basically
• 1:35:39
  chase after her and like to try and track her down.
• 1:35:43
  She dies in that Pursuit like she doesn't get saved in the
• 1:35:46
  book she dies. So this couple that we got
• 1:35:50
  Welcome. It's a creation for the for the
• 1:35:53
  show. Yeah.
• 1:35:53
  It's it's a drama creation. It isn't, you know something
• 1:35:57
  that comes from the book. So I would say we're really,
• 1:36:01
  really lucky of what we got from them and I loved this couple, I
• 1:36:07
  loved. And the thing is it isn't just
• 1:36:10
  the this couple in general it's like Pian run.
• 1:36:14
  I loved her character. Her relationship with times,
• 1:36:17
  hygiene like that back and forth, banter that they Have
• 1:36:20
  great. I loved it.
• 1:36:22
  I loved her relationship with Lee.
• 1:36:24
  Suh Suh like the bond that they kind of had.
• 1:36:27
  And that like, you know, friendship, it's kind of like
• 1:36:30
  the sister that you big chunk never was too, you know, Sue
• 1:36:34
  suit. So I feel like that's why her
• 1:36:37
  character just worked so well. But also this this actress just
• 1:36:42
  looked stunning, like this. There's something about like
• 1:36:46
  again her face but like she is so beautiful.
• 1:36:50
  And like this bright red, you know, dress that she wears.
• 1:36:55
  I just, I absolutely loved her character like the Mischief that
• 1:36:58
  she kind of carries with her all the time because that's that's
• 1:37:02
  something that, you know, the nine-tailed fox, kind of entails
• 1:37:05
  is like kind of like that mischief and you can see that in
• 1:37:08
  her character. But overall I'm just kind of
• 1:37:12
  like really, really glad that she, you know, got to stay on
• 1:37:17
  for how long she did. Because that's not how the book.
• 1:37:20
  Goes down. But also for, for the for or I'm
• 1:37:26
  forgetting his name year Ching, you basically, for him, how I
• 1:37:31
  understood those scenes, was that he actually absorbed her
• 1:37:35
  Essence? Yes.
• 1:37:36
  Which allows him to live on? Just like she would, she is kind
• 1:37:42
  of like an immortal because she's, you know, nine tailed
• 1:37:44
  fox. It's her, you know she had
• 1:37:46
  cultivated enough to be that way.
• 1:37:48
  She passed all of On to him, which means he will be able to
• 1:37:52
  live on and not only use her powers, but use her ability like
• 1:37:56
  her immortality to stay alive. Like, that's how I say that
• 1:38:00
  scene. So basically, she gave
• 1:38:02
  everything she had to him, so he could live on.
• 1:38:06
  You don't think that was him reincarnated as a fox.
• 1:38:10
  It was him losing her Fox acid. Yeah.
• 1:38:13
  To, I think that was City or whatever because it's been 500
• 1:38:17
  years. Of course, he's probably got
• 1:38:18
  some sort of high. Ian or Lord of a city or
• 1:38:21
  something and that's probably why.
• 1:38:23
  Hey, that was the entire time he ruled because then they would
• 1:38:27
  ya. So it was the same guy for 500
• 1:38:30
  years but that's also tragic ending for him as well because
• 1:38:34
  he like they had that whole conversation, we're like she
• 1:38:39
  wanted to like he was like, I only am going to live for like
• 1:38:43
  100 years. Like, you have to move on
• 1:38:45
  without me type thing and now he has to live without Her which
• 1:38:50
  was just like, oh my gosh, she says who says you can't.
• 1:38:53
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:38:56
  The thing for me though, I think this is why in this case, so
• 1:39:02
  right, if we take it right down to just the human realm, right?
• 1:39:07
  So you've got to be the leader of the human realm.
• 1:39:10
  You whole, you have eating, you, you have Shaolin and you have
• 1:39:14
  tan taejun out of those. Three ultimately, the best
• 1:39:18
  choice was year, teaching you. Because he was ready to put his
• 1:39:21
  people above everything else and I feel like, that's why can't I
• 1:39:26
  Jin? Was like he turns ijen says
• 1:39:30
  align like he says yeah, you know Lee sued, lot of not easily
• 1:39:34
  sukkahs at that point. He knows that as ye Shi Wu Yu
• 1:39:37
  Shi, woo, love this world. So I will try to do the same and
• 1:39:40
  it kind of like he is, okay, leaving all of that to like, to
• 1:39:46
  her brother because he knows her brother will take care of it.
• 1:39:49
  Like his The will pull himself up and he will do that and he is
• 1:39:54
  probably the only capable person of doing so out of the
• 1:39:58
  characters that were available you know at that point in time
• 1:40:02
  so I think the mask not only like hides who he is because
• 1:40:07
  he's a fair steady leader but it also kind of like honest and say
• 1:40:12
  Jin and his like background that's what they explained it as
• 1:40:15
  is. It's an honoring to turn taejin
• 1:40:18
  so I you know too. Me.
• 1:40:20
  I feel like his character was the best place character to rule
• 1:40:24
  the human realm and they even said so like the human realm
• 1:40:27
  kept at peace for years and years and years and it shows
• 1:40:31
  through his leadership. Well yeah and then to learn like
• 1:40:34
  when we Sue Sue learned that like she thought that that tan
• 1:40:42
  Tae Jin had died and had like ruled for this amount of time
• 1:40:46
  and had died like before knowing that he was in that River for so
• 1:40:50
  long. Long.
• 1:40:52
  And to know later that, that was Can you can continue the brother
• 1:41:00
  the entire time because it wore the mask.
• 1:41:02
  Like, no one knew that wasn't on Tae Jin.
• 1:41:05
  So like to know that later on and to learn that just proves
• 1:41:10
  your point even more Liliana. I want I need, I need this
• 1:41:16
  couple to be a lead in a drama. Like I need them to think, they
• 1:41:20
  don't really need that. Like, I literally, you know, how
• 1:41:22
  they do those bizarre. Strobe photo shoots of, like,
• 1:41:25
  all the popular people in popular dramas they had the I Am
• 1:41:30
  Bazaar shoot together. Oh my God, I love is so sexy.
• 1:41:35
  I need them together. Like if they put them together
• 1:41:38
  in a drama him and I'm like I'm going to be on that like white
• 1:41:40
  on rice. Like why?
• 1:41:43
  Not. I see the rows SE left and that
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  concludes part 1. Do join us for the rest of our
• 1:41:55
  till the end of the Moon discussion on the next spoiler
• 1:41:58
  filled episode. I see the rows SE left and that
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  concludes part 1. Do join us for the rest of our
• 1:41:55
  till the end of the Moon discussion on the next spoiler
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  filled episode.