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Credlin | 18 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Wonderful to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. That explosive court ruling on Friday
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Speaker 2: in the Federal Court a man who identifies as a
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Speaker 2: woman successfully challenging exclusion from a woman's only online space
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Speaker 2: and reigniting the national fight over Labour's removal of the
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Speaker 2: word woman from the Sex Discrimination Act. Selgrover coming up,
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Speaker 2: and also Liberal Shadow Attorney General mackaydie Cash Britain erupts
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Speaker 2: in mass protest on the weekend and a Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: on borrowed time calls the organizers behind at thugs and racists.
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Speaker 2: More on that as well, and never mind the historic
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Speaker 2: dead and the heart ripped from small business across the state.
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Speaker 2: Victoria has now got a bronze statue to amortalize the
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Speaker 2: man who broke the state and then locked everyone up
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Speaker 2: for a terrible two years plus backlash at watsbe call
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Speaker 2: the worst budget since the keeping era in ninety three.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi out there today trying to sell a lemon
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Speaker 2: and not doing it. Well, that's a.
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Speaker 3: Good thing, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: The city out of its lowest option clearance rates over
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Speaker 2: the weekend.
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Speaker 4: And they just haven't gone.
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Speaker 5: Well, the figures are very different, but we'll wait and
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Speaker 5: see what.
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Speaker 6: I saw one report of that that had two contradictory
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Speaker 6: messages in there, so we'll wait and see.
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Speaker 2: The numbers are a shocker there, not just in auction
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Speaker 2: clearance rates over the weekend, but also news poll today
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Speaker 2: for the Albin Easy government and deservedly so the prime
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Speaker 2: ministers thought he could get away with a great big lie.
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Speaker 2: It's not working. Negative gearing is off the table.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's off the table.
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Speaker 1: Will you guarantee that you won't touch negative gearing and
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Speaker 1: capital gains tax concessions?
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Speaker 6: Well, we have no plans to touch it or change
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Speaker 6: negative gearing.
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Speaker 1: If we go to the current issue you of negative
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Speaker 1: gearing capital gains tax? Might you change not a parent
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Speaker 1: even though well it certainly is on.
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Speaker 7: Friday at the moment.
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Speaker 6: Well, if you ask the same question, Peter, you get.
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Speaker 1: Not getting a response to it. So can I ask again,
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Speaker 1: could those plans?
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Speaker 6: Yes you are, yes, you are. You're not listening, Peter.
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Speaker 6: You've already asked it and I've already answered it.
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Speaker 1: But plans, But could plans change?
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Speaker 6: And I well, if you want to keep interrupting me,
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Speaker 6: then this won't be We won't get anywhere.
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Speaker 4: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 4: capital gains taxes?
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Speaker 5: How hard is it for the fiftieth time.
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Speaker 2: He knows the chair he gets, the thinner his lips
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Speaker 2: get as well. But he also thought, in addition to
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Speaker 2: that lie, he also thought ordinary people would be slow
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Speaker 2: to comprehend just how much Tuesday Nights budget would hurt them.
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Speaker 2: But he was wrong on both counts. Real people watch
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Speaker 2: every dollar. Unlike the Prime Minister and his front bench.
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Speaker 2: You don't pay for their cars, their petrol, their flights,
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Speaker 2: their hotel rooms, their staff, or even their phone bills,
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Speaker 2: meaning that as soon as changes are made to anything
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Speaker 2: that hits your back pocket, you do the calculations and
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Speaker 2: you know it right down to the last dollar, what
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Speaker 2: it'll cost you and what it will cost your family.
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Speaker 2: So what's your verdict on the fifth alban Easy budget? Well,
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Speaker 2: it stinks. If news polls anything to go on, the
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Speaker 2: majority of Australians telling pollsters they are worse off and
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Speaker 2: that they will pay more tax overall. The majority also
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Speaker 2: recognize that Labour's budget will only make inflation worse because
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Speaker 2: they've heard the warnings from the Reserve Bank that government
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Speaker 2: spending must come down and it hasn't on housing and
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Speaker 2: all of Labour's talk about changes to negative geary. They
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Speaker 2: know it'll hurt young people. They don't buy this line
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Speaker 2: that it'll increase supply. Twenty two two percent say it
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Speaker 2: won't make a difference. Thirty eight percent say it's a
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Speaker 2: step in the wrong direction. So in aggregate terms, that's
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Speaker 2: sixty percent voters that are less than impressed with the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's decision to lie, to break his word and
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Speaker 2: change the rules regarding property taxes, to lie and then
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Speaker 2: let that lie not just hurt you in trust terms,
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Speaker 2: but not even give you a win in policy terms.
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Speaker 2: Well that's really dumb politics. But it gets worse already.
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Speaker 2: Australians are rejecting the class war that's explicit in the budget,
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Speaker 2: with fully half of those polled agreeing that it's driving
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Speaker 2: a wedge between younger and older generations. And when compared
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Speaker 2: to other controversial budgets in the past, well, this one
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Speaker 2: it's a shocker. You have to go back to the
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Speaker 2: Keyping era when Labor lied back then too, It lied
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Speaker 2: about the law law tax cuts. They put them in
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Speaker 2: the legislation before the election. They took them out after
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Speaker 2: the ninety three election. Well, that's the last time that
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Speaker 2: Labor had a budget like this. Today, out on the
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Speaker 2: hustings for the big budget pr Cell, Labor was clearly rattled,
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Speaker 2: particularly by revelations that they have bought in by stealth
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Speaker 2: death taxes.
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Speaker 4: If people want to avoid paying the minimum tax in
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Speaker 4: the future, they can still set up a fixed testamentary
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Speaker 4: trust for that purpose.
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Speaker 6: But made it very clear that testamentary trust will not
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Speaker 6: be included now.
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Speaker 2: When Bill Shorten had this same package of tax changes,
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Speaker 2: he exempted trusts related to someone's will and estate, but
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Speaker 2: not this time under this leader. He says, yes, fixed
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Speaker 2: or in but not discretionary testimony trusts. And when journalists
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Speaker 2: wanted to know why this time it was different. Why
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Speaker 2: the exemption then and not now, Well, the treasurer at
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Speaker 2: was at his tricky best.
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Speaker 4: Look, I'm not revisiting the decisions that we took some
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Speaker 4: parliaments ago. Our job is to make the right decisions
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Speaker 4: on policy in twenty twenty six, not to redo the
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Speaker 4: policy decisions taken in twenty eighteen or nineteen or whenever
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Speaker 4: it was.
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Speaker 2: So A labors shop, isn't he worse still was a
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Speaker 2: response to the Prime Minister, who honestly just waffled his
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Speaker 2: way through. I don't even think he understands what a
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Speaker 2: testamentary trust is for or why they are used by
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Speaker 2: everyday people. I mean farmers, small business, someone with a
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Speaker 2: disabled child for example. There are all examples of people
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Speaker 2: who use these sorts of arrangements in their will. Now
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Speaker 2: the opposition leader Angus Taylor, on the other hand, well
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Speaker 2: he's found his mojo. He's a Rhodes scholar, we know that,
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Speaker 2: with an economic and business background. But he is running
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Speaker 2: rings around his financially incompetent labor counterparts.
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Speaker 3: Small businesses that are squeezed, small businesses that are going
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Speaker 3: out backwards, small businesses where the people working in the
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Speaker 3: family members working in that business are working harder than
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Speaker 3: they ever have for less. Talk about working harder for less.
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Speaker 3: Nowhere do I see that more than amongst small businesses
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Speaker 3: around the country. Right now, Every accountant in this country
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Speaker 3: who has clients who are small business people got calls
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Speaker 3: over the weekend.
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Speaker 8: They all got calls.
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Speaker 2: What are we going to do?
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Speaker 3: This government is going after us. But this is not
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Speaker 3: a government that cares about small business, never has, never will.
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Speaker 2: Already Taylor has eclipsed any memory of Susan Lee. There's
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Speaker 2: not a Liberal out there saying they got it wrong
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Speaker 2: when they removed her back in February. And his fighting
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Speaker 2: speech on Thursday in response to Labour's class war budget
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Speaker 2: was everything that coalition and supporters have been desperate to
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Speaker 2: see you today. But they haven't, not under Lee, and
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Speaker 2: to be honest, they didn't see it under Peter Dutt neither. Now, Finally,
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Speaker 2: as I wrote in my column yesterday in the Sunday Papers,
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Speaker 2: Taylor's put some policy backbone back into the Liberals and
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Speaker 2: a bit of political mongrel as well. The problem today,
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Speaker 2: as I said to a colleague today, is that in
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Speaker 2: opposition the Liberals have been appalling and taking the fight
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Speaker 2: up to Labor and you need to have fights in
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Speaker 2: opposition so that voters can understand why and how you
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Speaker 2: were different from your opponents. Yes, it's early days, let's
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Speaker 2: not get ahead of ourselves. But finally there's a policy,
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Speaker 2: a clear policy difference between the government and the opposition,
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Speaker 2: and a whole range of big ticket items income tax, immigration,
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Speaker 2: the whole net zero madness so loved by the Green Left.
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Speaker 2: On income tax, Taylor wants to increase or incentivize those
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Speaker 2: deal with bracket creep, sorry, by indexing income tax thresholds,
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Speaker 2: and that'll really assist those on load of middle incomes.
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Speaker 2: They won't be punished for getting ahead. On migration, He's
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Speaker 2: gone the jugular and landed a bullseye, so much so
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Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister himself was basically his ysterical declaring
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Speaker 2: it was an Australian to divide people between those who
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Speaker 2: are migrants and those who are not.
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Speaker 5: Angus Taylor wants to fight one nation.
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Speaker 6: We want as the Labor government, to fight for our
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Speaker 6: nation as a whole, not to divide people through the
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Speaker 6: division which he put up, speaking about Australians and migrants
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Speaker 6: as if they were completely separate things, as if there
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Speaker 6: is no one in this country who is a migrant
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Speaker 6: who isn't loyal to Australia. What I see is hard
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Speaker 6: working Australians who've come here making a difference to their nation.
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Speaker 2: Another Albanese lie. Taylor did not divide people by those
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Speaker 2: who are migrant and those who are not. Another lie.
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Speaker 2: As I said, Taylor's split was between Australian citizen and
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Speaker 2: non citizen, and he said that under the Coalition only
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Speaker 2: citizens would get access to the pension, the doll the
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Speaker 2: ndis and other welfare. Now what's unfair about that? Why
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Speaker 2: should your taxes carry people who've made no formal commitment
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Speaker 2: to this country? Because right now people could live here
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Speaker 2: for decades, take the money and never pledge loyalty to
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Speaker 2: Australia and its people. Now, Taylor says not anymore.
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Speaker 3: If people commit to this country, if everyonegrants commit to
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Speaker 3: this country, we will commit to them. We are a
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Speaker 3: great immigrant nation. We are one of the greatest immigrant
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Speaker 3: nations on earth, and it has worked because of a
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Speaker 3: very simple principle. If people come into our country commit
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Speaker 3: to this country.
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Speaker 2: We will commit to them.
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Speaker 3: And that isn't a principle we believe in firmly.
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Speaker 2: Given Labour's got us on track to hit thirty million
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Speaker 2: people by twenty thirty so four years time, despite nowhere
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Speaker 2: near enough housing for those who are here. Now, you
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Speaker 2: can bet this commitment from the Coalition is politically post
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Speaker 2: Last week, Albanezi declared his budget was full of labor values,
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Speaker 2: and yes, it is the socialist values that attack the
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Speaker 2: fairg that break trust and hit Middle Australia even harder
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Speaker 2: for the liberals. There's no better ground than this to
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Speaker 2: fight labor. If the coalition holds its nerve and campaigns
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Speaker 2: like every day of its life depends on it, and
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Speaker 2: frankly it does, then this budget could well be the
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Speaker 2: beginning of the end for the Albanezer government, but only
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Speaker 2: if they work night and day to take the fight
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Speaker 2: up to labor. Labor's a target here, not each other
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Speaker 2: and not one nation. Look on Friday, two shocking headlines
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Speaker 2: that stop people in their tracks as we all headed
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Speaker 2: into the weekend break. The first, that a man can
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Speaker 2: be a woman despite his appearance and his biology, as
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Speaker 2: long has he just says he is, that a biological
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Speaker 2: man a trans woman. That a trans woman is entitled
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Speaker 2: to all the rights of a woman born that way
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Speaker 2: was the ruling of the Federal Court.
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Speaker 9: I brought my case to show trans people that you
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Speaker 9: can be brave and that you can stand up for yourself.
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Speaker 9: In the process, I surprised myself at how brave I
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Speaker 9: could be. Young Roxy would be surprised but overjoyed.
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Speaker 2: That case is now the infamous Giggle versus Tickle dispute.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak shortly with cel Grover. She lost on Friday,
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Speaker 2: but now she's headed all the way to the High Court.
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Speaker 2: And we'll also speak with a shadow Attorney General, Macadia
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Speaker 2: Cash after Angus Taylor's commitment on the weekend that he's
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Speaker 2: not going to wait for yet another court case to
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Speaker 2: decide the human rights of women. He's going to move
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Speaker 2: immediately in the Parliament now and change the laws that
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Speaker 2: support this madness. Laws, i might add, brought in, as
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Speaker 2: I tell you often by Australia's first Prime Minister, first
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Speaker 2: female Prime Minister, Julia Gillard on the twenty fifth of June,
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Speaker 2: two days before she was rolled by Kevin Rudd on
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Speaker 2: the twenty seventh. Now, two bits of bad news. That
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Speaker 2: was the first bit. The second that announcement on Friday
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Speaker 2: afternoon by Victorian Premier just sent to Andrews that not
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Speaker 2: only would she give her best mate Daniel Andrews a
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Speaker 2: life size bronze statue out the front of the Premier's office,
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Speaker 2: but to add insult to injury, the statue was already
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Speaker 2: being made. Now, don't doubt before the polls happen in
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Speaker 2: November it will be concreted in place. I'm told the
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Speaker 2: sales of angle grind as at Bunnings went crazy on
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Everyone's lining up to tear this one down.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot make this stuff up. Victoria's got
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Speaker 2: a daily interest bill of twenty four million, so one
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty thousand for statue. That is a rounding eraror.
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Speaker 2: But what has angered people that we will be forced,
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Speaker 2: as victoriaans, to now honor the man who locked us
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Speaker 2: up for two years. It's ruined businesses, blown out, deb
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Speaker 2: cowtowl to China, dialed up, woke, and made the once
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Speaker 2: proud state and international laughing stock well. The best response
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Speaker 2: to the statue came from Pauline Hansen. She said one
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Speaker 2: Nation would relocate the new Daniel Andrews statue to a
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Speaker 2: special museum of underwater art in the Antarctica. Touchet, Pauline,
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Canberra for the headlines. Sky
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Speaker 2: News political reporter Ribbons bargo.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister is spinning his broken promises on negative
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Speaker 7: gearing and capital gains tax as a positive. Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 7: was in Adelaide today selling the budget to Australians trying
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Speaker 7: to break into the housing market.
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Speaker 6: This budget is about giving young people a fair crack
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Speaker 6: at home ownership.
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Speaker 7: Angus Taylor was in Western s Sydney listening to small
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Speaker 7: business concerns over the tax changes.
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Speaker 3: This budget was an absolute stinker. Right at the heart
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Speaker 3: of it is Labour's toxic taxes.
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Speaker 7: Accusations of a so called death tax buried in the
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Speaker 7: federal budget papers, approving a distraction for the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 7: sales pitch to Australians. The minimum tax rate applied to
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Speaker 7: trusts will rise to thirty percent from July one, twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty eight. The change effects testamentary discretionary trust, one of
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Speaker 7: the most common estate planning structures used to distribute assets
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Speaker 7: after someone dies. Unlike fixed trusts, they will not be
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Speaker 7: exempt under the new rules.
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Speaker 3: This is a structure the most small businesses in this
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Speaker 3: country use.
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Speaker 5: This treasure.
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Speaker 3: Hasn't got a clue. This government hasn't got a clue.
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Speaker 3: You know why because none of them have ever worked
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Speaker 3: seriously in small businesses.
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Speaker 5: What we're doing is making sure that the tax system
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Speaker 5: works for everyone.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister claims the Coalition is running a scare campaign.
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Speaker 2: Get into the news pole and more joining me now,
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Speaker 2: our chief election analyst Tom Connell will Tom give me
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Speaker 2: a Tom Connell. There we go, tomp coondl.
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Speaker 10: Well, we have the first major poll of how this
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Speaker 10: budget has landed, a news poll published in The Australian.
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Speaker 10: First of all, its impact crucially on the economy. So
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Speaker 10: the overall budget there forty seven percent saying it will
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Speaker 10: be bad, twenty two percent good. So the net effect
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Speaker 10: we call this a minus twenty five percent. How does
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Speaker 10: that compare to some of the worst received budgets in
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Speaker 10: recent times? As you can see, it's significantly worse than
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Speaker 10: the twenty fourteen Joe Hockey budget, which had plenty of
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Speaker 10: cuts to try to bring the budget back to surplus.
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Speaker 8: You have to go back to.
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Speaker 10: Nineteen ninety three for a worse result from voters, when
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Speaker 10: Paul Keating broke his promise on delivering tax cuts.
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Speaker 5: What about how.
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Speaker 10: People think they will fare under the budget? Will fifty
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Speaker 10: two percent think they personally will be worse off compared
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Speaker 10: to only eleven percent better off, thirty seven percent neutral
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Speaker 10: or may be waiting to see and specifically on the
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Speaker 10: big measures thirty eight percent sateed changes are actually in
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Speaker 10: the wrong direction, twenty seven percent the right direction, twenty
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Speaker 10: two percent no difference, or maybe waiting to see specifically,
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Speaker 10: even those people who are renting were asked the same question,
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Speaker 10: twenty seven percent saying the changes are in the right direction,
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Speaker 10: but more than that thirty three percent still say the
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Speaker 10: wrong direction for housing and what about the key demographic
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Speaker 10: of younger people. Voters were asked about the generational impact
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Speaker 10: if you like, of this generational fairness. These are the
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Speaker 10: responses just from eighteen to thirty four year olds, twenty
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Speaker 10: six percent saying the budget does rebalance the playing field
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Speaker 10: so along the lines of the government's line, but forty
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Speaker 10: seven percent saying it drives a wedge between older and
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Speaker 10: younger Australians ending on primary vote So for labor. Despite
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Speaker 10: such strong negative feedback so far, no change to its
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Speaker 10: primary vote. One nation is up significantly though, back up
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Speaker 10: to twenty seven percent. It did dip before, so that's
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Speaker 10: perhaps a correction or getting back its previous supporters. And
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Speaker 10: the Coalition down one percent. Angus Taylor, he has put
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Speaker 10: a lot out there in his budget. In reply, he's
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Speaker 10: less than four months into the job, but he needs
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Speaker 10: some traction on his messages of tax and migration.
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Speaker 2: Right join him and now to pull it apart. Our
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Speaker 2: chief political editor Andrew clenell Well. I would say in
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Speaker 2: terms of the budgets past Andrew that they're a bit
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Speaker 2: like sort of cheese on the bench doesn't get better
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Speaker 2: a few days in, In fact, it gets worse. So
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Speaker 2: if this is their high water mark, the more I
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Speaker 2: think Australians understand, the more that sort of the stealth measures,
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Speaker 2: if we can call them, that become well understood. I
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Speaker 2: think this budget's going to continually be difficult for the government.
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Speaker 11: I think it is too because I think the problem
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Speaker 11: they've got is they haven't They've sort of been greedy
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Speaker 11: in a sense and gone I will save our income
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Speaker 11: tax cuts to offset this until the election. And so
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Speaker 11: what are Austrains really being offered Because the bureaucrats have
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Speaker 11: said in their modeling it won't make a tangible difference
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Speaker 11: to the housing market, so really it just makes a
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Speaker 11: tangible difference to government coffers. And that was the point
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Speaker 11: I was when I was asking Jim Chalmers a question
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Speaker 11: at the Great Hall last week. I was making it's
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Speaker 11: about it's about the taxman. It's not about, you know,
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Speaker 11: helping young people into more properties because they're a limited amount.
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Speaker 11: I mean, they're talking about seventy five thousand over ten years.
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Speaker 11: It's a drop in the ocean. And you know, the
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Speaker 11: budget paper say rents could increase up to two percent.
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Speaker 11: Some might even see that as optimistic and say that
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Speaker 11: one stop house price is growing, but they'll grow by
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Speaker 11: an average or medium sort of nineteen thousand dollars less,
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Speaker 11: which is hardly anything on like eight hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 11: one million dollar house or apartment, which is the kind
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Speaker 11: of crazy prices we see, particularly in Sydney. So look,
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Speaker 11: I just think they're sort of trying to build this
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Speaker 11: narrative which is about giving young people a crack at housing.
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Speaker 11: But people seeing through it, Peter. People are seeing through it,
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Speaker 11: and they're seeing holes in it because they're saying, well,
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Speaker 11: why do I get to have a negatively geared property
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Speaker 11: but my kid's stone or kids these days or young
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Speaker 11: people these days, don't I mean it just but you
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Speaker 11: know if you took it off everyone, yeah, you'd get
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Speaker 11: voted out for sure, wouldn't you have? That's the point
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Speaker 11: to be property investors.
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Speaker 2: But if I want to go a negatively gear of
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Speaker 2: property now post the budget changes, the only place I
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Speaker 2: can do that is in a new build. So I
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Speaker 2: go in the outer suburbs, and someone like me with
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Speaker 2: money in my pocket is suddenly competing with young people
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Speaker 2: trying to get their first house and land, you know,
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Speaker 2: entry into the market in the suburbs. You're up against
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Speaker 2: someone like me who's coming cashed up out of the
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Speaker 2: inner city. Or if you want to go and buy
20:46
Speaker 2: an apartment and you're a young person, again, a brand
20:49
Speaker 2: new apartment that's the only asset class now I can
20:51
Speaker 2: invest in, I'll be there too. And again it doesn't
20:55
Speaker 2: work in favor of young people. And then there's this
20:58
Speaker 2: loophole like this afternoon that if you are living in
21:00
Speaker 2: your home now, is you and I do Andrew and
21:04
Speaker 2: we move out, we want to negatively gear it.
21:06
Speaker 8: We can.
21:07
Speaker 2: We can negatively gear an existing property if it is
21:11
Speaker 2: our principal place of residence and we're moving out from So,
21:14
Speaker 2: I think the longer you dig into this, and these
21:17
Speaker 2: death duties on the testamentary trust is also another issue.
21:21
Speaker 2: The more you dig into it, the more the hairs
21:23
Speaker 2: there are on the budget.
21:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so.
21:28
Speaker 11: That will only last for a year of course, that situation,
21:31
Speaker 11: because then you won't be able to negatively gear. I
21:34
Speaker 11: think then from twenty twenty seven. But yeah, if you
21:36
Speaker 11: wanted to move out in the next year, sure and
21:40
Speaker 11: live somewhere else, you can negatively gear you can get
21:43
Speaker 11: past the budget Night deadline. The Testamentary trusts that they're
21:47
Speaker 11: relying on the fact that it's a small number of people.
21:49
Speaker 11: A lot of people don't do inheritance through that way,
21:52
Speaker 11: and they're saying, if it's fixed, you can still get
21:56
Speaker 11: it without the tax. But of course, if it's fixed,
21:58
Speaker 11: that means you've really got to put in cement your
22:01
Speaker 11: inheritance arrangements as I understand it, which a lot of
22:03
Speaker 11: people don't want to do twenty thirty years out. I mean,
22:06
Speaker 11: you know, they could fall out with their relatives or whatever,
22:08
Speaker 11: you know, Zide's daughters, whatever, So that that is tricky.
22:13
Speaker 11: I think though, that it's more. It's more that even
22:16
Speaker 11: if that affects a relatively small number of people who
22:19
Speaker 11: use that device, all these messages are coming out and
22:22
Speaker 11: people are just hearing, well, they're doing all this tricky stuff.
22:27
Speaker 11: They're putting all these new taxes on it, and it
22:29
Speaker 11: just it just cuts through to people because there's several
22:31
Speaker 11: taxes at once. You know, it's not just one proposal.
22:35
Speaker 11: And I do sort of feel if they just did
22:36
Speaker 11: negative gearing, for example, Grandfather, But of course they wouldn't
22:40
Speaker 11: get enough revenue. You that's what they only won't do
22:42
Speaker 11: just one. But if they just did that, you'd be
22:45
Speaker 11: more inclined to get away with it, because you'd say, look,
22:47
Speaker 11: we're just we're just ending this one thing. We're not
22:49
Speaker 11: doing this crazy tax grab on you know, not just
22:53
Speaker 11: property on the capital gains, but small businesses who started
22:57
Speaker 11: at zero. So they say that we're putting indexation, you
22:59
Speaker 11: can claim, well, if you start at zero, there ain't
23:01
Speaker 11: no indexation. And startups, startups, you know, you got low salary.
23:07
Speaker 11: It's ten percent of the economy, the tech industry. You
23:09
Speaker 11: go on a low salary deliberately because the whole point
23:12
Speaker 11: is the salary kind of comes at the end when
23:14
Speaker 11: you sell. And you know, I have spoken of startup
23:17
Speaker 11: people who are talking about going overseas for sure, and
23:20
Speaker 11: the Zealand doesn't tax them at all. So how is
23:22
Speaker 11: that good for the economy? How is that good for
23:24
Speaker 11: the economy? How is that good for business? How is
23:27
Speaker 11: that good for investment? And then it sort of buys
23:30
Speaker 11: into the narrative too, which is which I've spoken about
23:32
Speaker 11: for some time being concerned about that this government is
23:36
Speaker 11: and I know you wanted to ask me about this
23:37
Speaker 11: childcare thing tonight, but it's creating all these jobs that
23:41
Speaker 11: are government funded. And when you do that, especially when
23:45
Speaker 11: we have a labor shortage, there are less jobs in
23:47
Speaker 11: the private sector, and we need more tradees to build houses,
23:50
Speaker 11: for example. I don't like it, you know, I just
23:53
Speaker 11: think it's it risks our economy. You know, we've always
23:57
Speaker 11: done so well out of private enterprise in this economy.
24:00
Speaker 11: If you have this sort of gradual shift to more
24:02
Speaker 11: and more government spending and reliance on the taxpayer, it's
24:07
Speaker 11: not a good thing and we all end up just
24:08
Speaker 11: paying more tax to fund it all.
24:11
Speaker 2: Well, of course, I always like to look at how
24:13
Speaker 2: quickly this stuff gets taken up in the real world,
24:15
Speaker 2: how quickly it is understood. And within a couple of
24:18
Speaker 2: days you've got all of these young people on social
24:22
Speaker 2: media basically saying with an AI picture of the Prime Minister,
24:27
Speaker 2: meet my new silent partner. He takes forty seven percent
24:30
Speaker 2: of the money but does nothing. It's contributed nothing and
24:33
Speaker 2: put nothing in and that's gone viral. I mean, I've
24:35
Speaker 2: seen one hundreds and hundreds of those absolutely everywhere. And
24:40
Speaker 2: then if you look at the auction clearance rates on
24:42
Speaker 2: the weekend in many of the markets you're talking about
24:45
Speaker 2: mid fifties in terms of clearance rates, people are just
24:48
Speaker 2: not there at the auction. Now, sure, if your message
24:52
Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister is I've played with the market
24:55
Speaker 2: so that young people can get in, well, they still
24:57
Speaker 2: have to have a deposit and they still have to
24:59
Speaker 2: have a loan, still have to find a house that
25:01
Speaker 2: they like. But for all these people out there trying
25:04
Speaker 2: to sell a home and he's basically gutted the market
25:07
Speaker 2: in the last ten days, you're not going to be happy.
25:10
Speaker 2: You are not going to be happy.
25:12
Speaker 11: I want him about this as well. On air, Peter
25:14
Speaker 11: I said, look I saw in New so file as
25:16
Speaker 11: an investor tax put on by Bob Carr and Michael
25:18
Speaker 11: Egan at the time of a housing slump. Now, I
25:21
Speaker 11: can't speak for other cities in Perth or someone like
25:24
Speaker 11: that might be different, but here in Sydney there's been
25:27
Speaker 11: a housing slump for several months since the war started,
25:29
Speaker 11: since the rates started going up. So when you put
25:32
Speaker 11: on a tax then then you can sort of collapse
25:36
Speaker 11: a market. Now, some people might argue, by the way,
25:38
Speaker 11: that's not a bad thing. Its first time buyers in
25:40
Speaker 11: so there is always that argument, but it's not usually
25:43
Speaker 11: a good thing for the economy. And you've got to
25:46
Speaker 11: be careful when you put these sort of taxes on.
25:50
Speaker 2: Got to leave it there, Andrew, we'll catch up again.
25:52
Speaker 2: This is not going to go away. I think, as
25:53
Speaker 2: I said, it's not going to get worse for the government.
25:55
Speaker 2: Thank you. After the break that ruling on Friday in
25:58
Speaker 2: the Federal court, fight is far from over. Sell Grover
26:02
Speaker 2: coming up and the coalition's plan to move now to
26:06
Speaker 2: support women welcome back. We'll also look at an AFI
26:14
Speaker 2: pole and Redbridge pole that has Angus Taylor head of
26:17
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister as preferred prime minister first time. I
26:20
Speaker 2: think we've had the opposition in front in any measure
26:23
Speaker 2: for a long time now to that decision on Friday,
26:27
Speaker 2: Giggle for girls at founder and a trailblazer for all
26:30
Speaker 2: of us women. Sell Grover is set to appeal her
26:33
Speaker 2: loss in the Federal Court on Friday, which upheld. This
26:38
Speaker 2: is a full bench hearing upheld an earlier ruling that
26:40
Speaker 2: she'd gonelawfully discriminated against transgender woman's biological man Roxane Tickle.
26:46
Speaker 2: The court dismissed the appeal, but also double the damages
26:50
Speaker 2: awarded against Grover to twenty thousand dollars. But it's certainly
26:54
Speaker 2: got the topic back on the agenda, and I know
26:57
Speaker 2: it's got you fighter. Certainly everyone who shoe horn me
27:00
Speaker 2: on the weekend gave me a piece of their mind.
27:03
Speaker 2: Sal Graver joins me. Now, I can't be the only one.
27:06
Speaker 2: So I think everywhere you've gone, every comment, every newspaper
27:10
Speaker 2: article I have read, everyone is squarely in your corner.
27:14
Speaker 2: You're going to take this to the High Court. How
27:17
Speaker 2: can we support you? Thank you so much.
27:21
Speaker 12: I mean, it is true we have won and are
27:24
Speaker 12: winning in the court of public opinion, but we're always
27:26
Speaker 12: going to because we're just talking about truth and reality.
27:30
Speaker 12: The other side is talking about ideology and forcing everybody
27:33
Speaker 12: to believe in something that not everyone believes in. That's
27:36
Speaker 12: always going to be an uphill battle for the court
27:40
Speaker 12: of public opinion. But to win in the court of
27:44
Speaker 12: law is a whole of a story, because apparently the
27:47
Speaker 12: court has decided that ideology is more important than reality.
27:52
Speaker 12: So the next step is the High Court. But simultaneously
27:58
Speaker 12: it is needing politics to not do something in two
28:03
Speaker 12: years if maybe elected. Girls in school who are not
28:07
Speaker 12: drinking water so that I have to use the bathroom
28:09
Speaker 12: don't have two years. They need this fixed now. I
28:12
Speaker 12: need this fixed now. All women in Australia need it
28:14
Speaker 12: fixed now. Otherwise we're looking down the barrel of having
28:17
Speaker 12: the Australian Human Rights Commission issue complaints to any woman
28:21
Speaker 12: who calls a man a man under the guise of
28:25
Speaker 12: gender identity discrimination and fine countless women and men in
28:29
Speaker 12: this country with I've been keeping us all ideologically held hostage.
28:35
Speaker 12: So the two things that people can do is one
28:40
Speaker 12: contact MPs and senators and say you want this fixed.
28:44
Speaker 12: We need them to know that every single the majority
28:47
Speaker 12: of Australians, I mean, this isn't even an eighty twenty issue,
28:49
Speaker 12: This is a ninety nine to one issue, want common
28:53
Speaker 12: sense in the law. We just want the definitions. We
28:56
Speaker 12: just want to make sure that everybody is covered in
28:59
Speaker 12: the LA At the moment, it's only this one demographic
29:03
Speaker 12: and so avently right. The next part of it is,
29:06
Speaker 12: obviously this has been just you know, prohibitively expensive essentially
29:11
Speaker 12: for anybody to be able to do it, and I've
29:13
Speaker 12: only been able to do it through the generosity of
29:15
Speaker 12: people supporting me via the crowdfund, which is giggle crowdfund
29:18
Speaker 12: dot com. This cost well over a million dollars. I've
29:21
Speaker 12: now been told I have to pay twenty thousand dollars
29:24
Speaker 12: in damages and one hundred thousand dollars in court costs.
29:28
Speaker 12: You know, it's it's quite overwhelming that something that is
29:33
Speaker 12: classed as public interest litigation and a sort of for
29:39
Speaker 12: legislation that needs to be changed, that you can, as
29:42
Speaker 12: an individual citizen, be so punished for just saying the truth,
29:47
Speaker 12: for what everybody knows to be true, and for until recently,
29:51
Speaker 12: would never have been even controversial to say, believe or
29:54
Speaker 12: even to create a woman only space.
29:57
Speaker 2: No now. And of course you're up against just Roxane Tickle,
30:01
Speaker 2: but you're up against the apparatus of the Human Rights Commission,
30:04
Speaker 2: which is funded by the taxpayer, which I find absolutely extraordinary.
30:09
Speaker 2: And in reading through the judgment, I mean what struck
30:12
Speaker 2: me is that distinction between sex, which is science and
30:16
Speaker 2: biologically based, and gender, which over recent years has become
30:21
Speaker 2: about identity. That distinction has been preserved for some time,
30:26
Speaker 2: but the court up ended that on Friday, and they
30:29
Speaker 2: basically agreed that now sex so scientific reality. We're always
30:33
Speaker 2: told by the left, we've got to respect the science.
30:35
Speaker 2: The scientific reality now is about identity. So the chromosonal
30:40
Speaker 2: differences that have been there for a millennia have been
30:44
Speaker 2: junked by three judges in Australia, which is not happening
30:49
Speaker 2: in America now, which is not happening with the International
30:52
Speaker 2: Olympic Committee, which is not happening in the United Kingdom
30:55
Speaker 2: or in Scandinavia. We are such an embarrassment in terms
31:00
Speaker 2: of an outlier on this issue.
31:02
Speaker 12: As I said, this is ideology versus reality, and at
31:05
Speaker 12: the moment, ideology is winning. And for anybody who is
31:08
Speaker 12: against me, and I'm aware that there are some people
31:10
Speaker 12: who are, I want them to imagine if an ideology
31:13
Speaker 12: was enshrined in law that they didn't agree with and
31:16
Speaker 12: then they were punished for not going along with it.
31:18
Speaker 12: That's the situation that I'm in. It is why I
31:22
Speaker 12: advocate for there to be reality and nothing else in law,
31:26
Speaker 12: because you should, anyone should be protected to believe in
31:30
Speaker 12: whatever they want to believe in. If you want to
31:32
Speaker 12: believe in gender ideology, have fun with it.
31:34
Speaker 2: I don't care.
31:35
Speaker 12: If you are a man and you want to call
31:36
Speaker 12: yourself a woman, that is entirely your business. It only
31:40
Speaker 12: becomes my business or anyone else's business if we're being
31:43
Speaker 12: forced to believe it, and currently we're being forced to
31:46
Speaker 12: believe it. There is a patent forming in this country
31:49
Speaker 12: where citizens are being punished by the courts for not
31:52
Speaker 12: adhering to the ideology that the government goes along with.
31:56
Speaker 12: We need to be able to call this out and
31:58
Speaker 12: we need to have the opposit Pysian government hold this
32:01
Speaker 12: government to account and ask them, why will you not
32:04
Speaker 12: put the definitions of man and women back in the
32:06
Speaker 12: Sex Discrimination Act to ensure that all Australians are covered.
32:10
Speaker 12: Why are you allowing this piece of legislation designed for
32:13
Speaker 12: all Australians to be captured and only representing a tiny,
32:18
Speaker 12: tiny demographic of people.
32:21
Speaker 2: Well, watch this space. So I've got the Shadow Attorney
32:24
Speaker 2: General Macaylia Cash on immediately after you. She'll join me
32:27
Speaker 2: now in a moment. So I just want to on
32:30
Speaker 2: the screen people can see the link to support you.
32:33
Speaker 2: Seal from me to you and all my audience who
32:36
Speaker 2: have followed this case for such a long time. We
32:39
Speaker 2: admire you we stand with you. We are not wavering
32:42
Speaker 2: in our support of you. So thank you for joining
32:45
Speaker 2: me tonight. We'll have more of an update on this
32:47
Speaker 2: as the time progresses. Thank you, sel Grover. All right,
32:49
Speaker 2: let's bring her in shadow Attorney General Senator Mikaylia Cash
32:52
Speaker 2: of course from wa or you heard seal Grover there. Mikaylia.
32:56
Speaker 2: I know that you and I were backwards and forwarding
32:59
Speaker 2: and your as outrage, which as we all are about
33:01
Speaker 2: this decision. But you're also pushing inside the coalition that
33:05
Speaker 2: this isn't just a commitment to fix this law at
33:09
Speaker 2: the next election.
33:10
Speaker 11: Are you.
33:13
Speaker 1: No?
33:13
Speaker 13: In the first instance, though, I think it is very
33:15
Speaker 13: important for your viewers to understand a vote for Angus
33:20
Speaker 13: Taylor and the Coalition is a vote for reality, for
33:25
Speaker 13: biological reality. Angus has made it clear if and when
33:29
Speaker 13: we are elected to government, we will change the Sex
33:32
Speaker 13: Discrimination Act so that sex is the biological reality, the
33:37
Speaker 13: sex you were born with. I cannot say the same
33:40
Speaker 13: for mister Albanesi. What I can say to sal Grover
33:44
Speaker 13: is you are damn right. We are putting pressure on
33:47
Speaker 13: mister Albanesi, in particular next week when the House of
33:51
Speaker 13: Representatives sits mister Albanesi, you are in government. The Federal
33:56
Speaker 13: Court has identified what the problem is. You have the
34:00
Speaker 13: numbers to change it and the Coalition will support you.
34:04
Speaker 13: Bring forward a bill in the Parliament next week that
34:08
Speaker 13: brings common sense back to the Sex Discrimination Act. Sex
34:13
Speaker 13: equals biology. In other words, you are born a man,
34:18
Speaker 13: you are a man. That is reflected in the Sex
34:20
Speaker 13: Discrimination Act. If you're a born a woman, you are
34:24
Speaker 13: a woman and that will be reflected in the Sex
34:27
Speaker 13: Discrimination Act.
34:30
Speaker 2: You've got a colleague, the Member for the Line Ali Penfold,
34:33
Speaker 2: who wants to bring in a private member's bill. So
34:35
Speaker 2: this is a bill into the House for people at home.
34:37
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you what you already know, which means
34:40
Speaker 2: you can't pull it on. She won't have the numbers
34:42
Speaker 2: in the House, but I think it's something someone in
34:45
Speaker 2: the Senate also at the same time needs to put
34:49
Speaker 2: in there and have debated Macadia, because you can't let
34:52
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister hide here. He can't crow about how
34:56
Speaker 2: many women he has on his front bench and how
34:59
Speaker 2: many different vers visions of the pill he puts on
35:01
Speaker 2: the PBS. If it doesn't defend women where it matters most,
35:06
Speaker 2: then he's a fraud.
35:09
Speaker 13: Absolutely, this is fundamental to whether or not you actually
35:14
Speaker 13: believe that women and girls in Australia have rights. Why because, Peter,
35:20
Speaker 13: we are women and girls. Because today, as the law stands,
35:24
Speaker 13: a man who identifies as a woman has every legal
35:29
Speaker 13: right that you and I have as a woman. You
35:33
Speaker 13: and I actually have less rights because we cannot have
35:37
Speaker 13: biological women only space. That is quite frankly outrageous. It
35:43
Speaker 13: is wrong.
35:44
Speaker 2: It must be changed. And in changing it and recognizing
35:48
Speaker 2: that we.
35:49
Speaker 13: Are biological women with rights, that's not radical, it is
35:54
Speaker 13: common sense and nothing more. But again, to go to
35:57
Speaker 13: the point of what can we do, Our sad reality
36:01
Speaker 13: is we're not in government, but I can tell you
36:03
Speaker 13: right now we will absolutely push the Prime Minister next
36:07
Speaker 13: week to bring in legislation to make what is a
36:10
Speaker 13: simple change to the Sex Discrimination Act. This is not
36:14
Speaker 13: about taking away any writes, Peter, from transgender people. They
36:19
Speaker 13: still won't be able to be discriminated against. However, it
36:23
Speaker 13: brings common sense back. Sex equals biology.
36:28
Speaker 2: It matters.
36:29
Speaker 13: But more than that, it says to every woman and
36:32
Speaker 13: girl in Australia. Angus Taylor, Matt Canavan, the Coalition, we
36:38
Speaker 13: acknowledge you.
36:39
Speaker 5: We see you.
36:41
Speaker 13: But more than that, we are going to ensure that
36:44
Speaker 13: you have the legal protections that you are owed, nothing
36:49
Speaker 13: more and nothing less.
36:52
Speaker 2: Just before we go, I've got to ask you about
36:54
Speaker 2: this because I had to read it twice to see
36:56
Speaker 2: that I was out here. I was accurate. Chris Bowen,
37:00
Speaker 2: who's got plenty on his plate, that is not even
37:02
Speaker 2: doing appropriately as the Energy Minister, has now set up
37:06
Speaker 2: this office of the President, you know, this part time
37:09
Speaker 2: role he's got with United Nations. He's now got an
37:11
Speaker 2: Officer of the President inside his department, which only amplifies
37:17
Speaker 2: how part time he is. Is it any wonder we're
37:21
Speaker 2: on such strife when it comes to our power bills.
37:25
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
37:26
Speaker 13: But I think what is worse is what happened on
37:29
Speaker 13: Tuesday night with the Prime Minister of Australia now being
37:33
Speaker 13: found out for what he is. A liar, a fraud
37:37
Speaker 13: and the most incompetent prime minister this country has ever seen,
37:41
Speaker 13: but also the owner of one of the highest taxing
37:43
Speaker 13: governments Peter in Australia's history. It does not matter now
37:48
Speaker 13: what Chris Bowen says. It does not matter what the
37:51
Speaker 13: Prime Minister says. This government and its ministers are liars.
37:56
Speaker 13: Why because they lie to the people before the election.
38:00
Speaker 13: In relation to power bills, ninety seven times they said
38:04
Speaker 13: they would actually come down by two hundred and seventy
38:07
Speaker 13: five dollars well years ago, years ago, that promise was
38:10
Speaker 13: thrown out the window. But more so in relation to
38:13
Speaker 13: the Prime Minister, he said to the people before the election,
38:17
Speaker 13: there will be no changes to capital gains tax, there
38:20
Speaker 13: will be no changes to negative gearing, and there certainly
38:23
Speaker 13: won't be a death tax under a government eye lead.
38:27
Speaker 13: This Prime Minister is a liar, he is a fraud,
38:30
Speaker 13: He is incompetent. He has finally been exposed for the
38:35
Speaker 13: person that we've always known that he is.
38:37
Speaker 2: And contrasts that to Angus.
38:39
Speaker 13: Taylor on Thursday night, who has squarely put Australia and
38:44
Speaker 13: Australians and their aspiration and their prosperity at the very
38:50
Speaker 13: heart of our agenda.
38:53
Speaker 2: Finally, michaela, as I said at the top of the show,
38:55
Speaker 2: a little bit of policy smarts from you guys, and
38:57
Speaker 2: a little bit of political mongrel. It's been a lot
39:00
Speaker 2: long time missing, but I'm happy to see it there
39:03
Speaker 2: and thank you for taking this up, particularly for women
39:06
Speaker 2: in the Parliament next week. Thank you will leave it there.
39:09
Speaker 2: Let's go to London quickly after the break these huge rallies,
39:13
Speaker 2: I mean, it was extraordinary. I'll show you all of
39:16
Speaker 2: that in a moment. Dan Andrews and the big bronze
39:24
Speaker 2: ego we took to the streets today. I'll get you
39:26
Speaker 2: those voxes in a moment. People are not happy about this,
39:29
Speaker 2: let me tell you. But let's go to the United Kingdom.
39:32
Speaker 2: We're on the weekend. They weren't happy either. Thousands, hundreds
39:35
Speaker 2: of thousands of people took to the street really to
39:38
Speaker 2: waive the union jack and declare their patriotic support for England.
39:43
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this, Spiked Online editor Tom Slater.
39:47
Speaker 2: We'll get to Keir Starmer in a moment and his problems, Tom.
39:51
Speaker 2: But his response was extraordinary. He called people racists, He
39:56
Speaker 2: really attacked them. He's tone deaf. I mean he is
39:59
Speaker 2: a big part of the problem.
40:01
Speaker 8: Oh no, absolutely, Peter. I mean the response to this
40:05
Speaker 8: demonstration was depressingly predictable, smearing anyone involved even before it
40:09
Speaker 8: had taken place, as far right, racist and extreme. And
40:12
Speaker 8: it's because of that contempt. It's because of that refusal
40:15
Speaker 8: to listen to the legitimate concerns of huge numbers of
40:19
Speaker 8: people in this country that people are feeling the need
40:21
Speaker 8: to take to the streets. We're witnessing the rise of
40:24
Speaker 8: a kind of street populist movement in the UK are
40:27
Speaker 8: patriotic movement the lights of which we really haven't seen
40:30
Speaker 8: for a very long time. Ordinary people, working class people
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Speaker 8: deciding to pound the pavements because of the fact that
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Speaker 8: they feel like their concerns aren't being listened to. And
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Speaker 8: Kirstin's response only showed how right they are to be
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Speaker 8: so angry, I dare say.
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Speaker 2: And what was interesting too, and this is this is
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Speaker 2: a common feature in Australia as well. Whenever the right
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Speaker 2: or patriotic people go out there to march, the crazy
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Speaker 2: activists from the left have got to join there and
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Speaker 2: have this conttant involving a lot of peace. But of
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Speaker 2: course they're out there almost every week end and never
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Speaker 2: much pressure on them. You barely see any English flag
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Speaker 2: when there is a pro Palestinian march, where there's a
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Speaker 2: pro Muslim march, when there's anything about division that they
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Speaker 2: very very rarely want to show. The Union jack now
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Speaker 2: anywhere at all.
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Speaker 8: No, I think it was a tailor two marches over
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Speaker 8: the week, and definitely you had the much larger patriotic demonstration,
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Speaker 8: and then you had this counter demonstration which was seemingly
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Speaker 8: a mix of supposed quite quite anti racism as well
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Speaker 8: as all the usual miland of pro Palestine stuff. And
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Speaker 8: yet you had these people who were turning out to
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Speaker 8: oppose the demonstration which was, you know, for the country
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Speaker 8: and against migration and how that's gotten out of control,
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Speaker 8: but was claiming to be against this kind of division,
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Speaker 8: and yet was chanting slogans that we heard delighting in
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Speaker 8: the murder of Charlie Kirk, suggesting that some of the
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Speaker 8: people who had been organizing the other march should suffer
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Speaker 8: the same fate. You do have to ask yourself the question,
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Speaker 8: which at these protests properly represents the country, acuity represents
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Speaker 8: the country, and which of the two protests are actually
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Speaker 8: creating the vision. People can take issue with any of
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Speaker 8: these demonstrations, any of the people involved in them, the speakers,
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Speaker 8: the organizers, what have you. But let's not pretend that
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Speaker 8: the division in this country is coming from ordinary people
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Speaker 8: pushing back against out of control migration and the extremes
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Speaker 8: that the left have taken themselves to in recent years.
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Speaker 2: We all know where it is. It's the culture war,
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Speaker 2: it's the woke, it's all of those things. It's Britain
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Speaker 2: not feeling like Britain anymore. So I look at that
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Speaker 2: crowd and I scanned it wasn't just the usual suspects.
42:34
Speaker 2: I sort of think that the genie is out of
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Speaker 2: the bottle on this one. Now that it doesn't matter
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Speaker 2: what labor does, it doesn't matter what the tourist might offer,
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Speaker 2: there will be a move to reform at the next election.
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Speaker 2: So Andy Burnham's going to run in this violection to
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Speaker 2: get back into to Westminster. Of course, he says when
42:51
Speaker 2: he gets series going to challenge KISTARMI you've got streeting
42:54
Speaker 2: as well. Does it matter who they put in there?
42:57
Speaker 2: I mean we all think Star has gone, But does
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Speaker 2: any difference who they put in there?
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Speaker 8: Tom Well, I think it's just about who could stem
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Speaker 8: the losses the most. I mean, this is purely kind
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Speaker 8: of damage limitation strategy, hoping to chore up their position
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Speaker 8: as best as possible. Maybe great a situation where they
43:14
Speaker 8: could cobble together some kind of coalition, But if you know,
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Speaker 8: if Andy Burnham's the answer, you're asking the wrong question.
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Speaker 8: I mean, the only difference really between him and kir
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Speaker 8: Starmer is that he, unlike our current Prime minister, appears
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Speaker 8: to have a pulse, can string a sentence or two together,
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Speaker 8: but he's really is an empty suit. So I think
43:30
Speaker 8: if labor are in a complete mess, and for exactly
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Speaker 8: the reasons that you say, the public are not just
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Speaker 8: sick of them, they're infuriated by them, and a change
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Speaker 8: of leadership, of shuffling of the debt chairs is not
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Speaker 8: going to change any of that.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll leave it there, Thank you, Tom. Quick
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Speaker 2: break after the break James eshby Nick Cata. The bronze statue,
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Speaker 2: more political junkets. It's all going on, seeing the moment.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back there before I bring in my handle to
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Speaker 2: discuss this statue, the bronze statue of Daniel Andrews. We're
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Speaker 2: out on the streets and this is what you had
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Speaker 2: to say.
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Speaker 9: Do you think he deserves the bronze statue?
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Speaker 6: No, Dan, Dan, I think there's lots of better ways
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Speaker 6: to spend money than our bronze statues for contentious politicians.
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Speaker 6: The worst lockdowns in the world, which were completely unnecessary,
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Speaker 6: and so it doesn't deserve a statue.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot of money.
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Speaker 9: I think there's probably other things we've just set of
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Speaker 9: money on At the moment. I think history won't be
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Speaker 9: kind of Daniel and nor would be kind of a statue.
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Speaker 10: Unfortunately.
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Speaker 12: I just think that we had so much debt that
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Speaker 12: that is absolutely eliotic, And after the COVID test, I
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Speaker 12: just think that's absolutely stunning that they're actually doing.
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Speaker 2: Right. Joining me James Ashby from One Nation and Menzi's
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Speaker 2: Research Center, fellow Nick Cator, Well, I pay your boss here,
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Speaker 2: James Ashby. She had the best line. It can go
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Speaker 2: to the bottom of the sea and the Antarctic. But
44:59
Speaker 2: I alway so heard at Bunning's. You know, angle Grind
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Speaker 2: is the sale of Angle Grind as a roup on
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Speaker 2: the weekend because everyone's going to race out there as
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Speaker 2: soon as it's up to cut it down.
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Speaker 14: I do fear when Pauline starts tweeting I'm okay with
45:14
Speaker 14: her on Facebook. But that was a good line she
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Speaker 14: put out, so I do play it, a very good one.
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Speaker 14: She was on point. Look, you know, Daniel Andrews is
45:22
Speaker 14: in good company.
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Speaker 2: As we know.
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Speaker 14: Sadam Hussein's had statues of himself. I know the cartoons
45:27
Speaker 14: of Kim Jong Un mcgarfy, what's his name? The other dictator,
45:35
Speaker 14: Gaddafi was also one to put statues of himself up there. Look,
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Speaker 14: this will just become another target for those vandals. Instead
45:43
Speaker 14: of the left. It might just be those people who
45:46
Speaker 14: are on the.
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Speaker 5: Right that go after it.
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Speaker 14: It's a complete waste of money. No one needs to
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Speaker 14: honor Daniel Andrews in this way. And for the state
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Speaker 14: Premier to simply say that, oh well, it's what's in
45:57
Speaker 14: the rules.
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Speaker 2: Guess what, your government.
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Speaker 14: You can change the rules and say scrap it. We're
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Speaker 14: in enough as it is without putting these wasted moneies
46:05
Speaker 14: towards labor monuments.
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Speaker 2: Nick Kata, do you think anyone's going to be worried
46:10
Speaker 2: about Holly Hughes, who quit the Liberal Party anyway jumping
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Speaker 2: ship to One Nation and Tina McQueen.
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Speaker 15: I made no comment about those two women, who are
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Speaker 15: both very personable, But I would just say that the
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Speaker 15: comments online about this, I mean James Ashby and the
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Speaker 15: One Nation, people might care to look at them. That
46:32
Speaker 15: some people are alleging that because because Holly Hughes was
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Speaker 15: an enormous supporter of the previous leader Susan Lee, that
46:42
Speaker 15: her arrival in One Nation represented many others. She's she's
46:48
Speaker 15: infiltrated the left, infiltrating the One Nation Party in the
46:52
Speaker 15: same way the infiltrated Labor. So I think there are
46:56
Speaker 15: problems with both these people. To hold them up as
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Speaker 15: some sort of exemplar of the enormous trend towards One Nation,
47:05
Speaker 15: I think they're probably the wrong people to pick y.
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Speaker 14: I also felt very sorry for.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 14: Look, to Holly's credit, what she found very distasteful during
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Speaker 14: the campaign with Susan Lee was at the last election,
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Speaker 14: when Peter Dutton was trying to run to become the
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Speaker 14: next Prime minister, Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty were behind
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Speaker 14: the scenes jocking to try and become the next leader.
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Speaker 14: And this is not not that's political politics.
47:38
Speaker 2: It's the wrong time.
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Speaker 14: They clearly saw, they clearly saw that they weren't fighting
47:44
Speaker 14: to win government. They were fighting each other internally. And
47:48
Speaker 14: I think that's what Holly explained to me. She was
47:50
Speaker 14: so disgruntled over that fact that he and Angus Taylor
47:55
Speaker 14: were jocking for leadership. Well before you even lost, can't.
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Speaker 2: Lady. I've gotta leave it there but ladies, ladies, ladies,
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Speaker 2: if you can't stand the heat, Holly and others, get
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Speaker 2: out of the kitchen. Susan Lee get out of the kitchen.
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Speaker 2: And they're all out of the kitchen now and the
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Speaker 2: Lips are back in the game. Gotta leave it there.
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Speaker 2: We'll come back to it next week. Thank you, gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: Sorry amount of time, been too much fun. Tonight, here's
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Speaker 2: Andrew