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The Late Debate | 13 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have you company. I'm James McPherson with Michelle
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  Speaker 2: Stevenson and Joe Hildebrand in a very wet Sydney machine.
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  Speaker 3: It's so wet.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't been out there, so I don't
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  Speaker 4: really know, but Joe came in quite wet.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was driving through it to get here. And
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  Speaker 5: I kept stopping on the way to see if it was,
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  Speaker 5: it is absolutely bonkers. There was a crazy accident. We
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  Speaker 5: went past whole roads underwater. I thought I'd get here
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  Speaker 5: faster by swimming here. And when I arrived, people thought
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  Speaker 5: that that was what I actually had done. Because even
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  Speaker 5: just in like the five second dash from my car
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  Speaker 5: to the front door of the building, it was like
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  Speaker 5: someone had just dumped a bucket on you.
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  Speaker 3: Good thing you have a land cruise.
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  Speaker 5: That's right. But for everyone else all around the country,
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  Speaker 5: you're fine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I think it's pretty wet other places as well.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into the show tonight. Here's what's coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Taxpayers could foot the bill for more than 30 types
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  Speaker 2: of so-called gender reassignment surgery under a proposal from the
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  Speaker 2: Australian Society... of plastic surgeons. Why would they recommend that,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder? EV vehicle owners in the UK face police
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  Speaker 2: raids if they're suspected of dodging Labor's new pay per
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  Speaker 2: mile tax. Is this the way of the future? And
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales Parliament security is under review after a
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  Speaker 2: climate protester managed to get onto the floor of the
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  Speaker 2: chamber before being overpowered by MPs. We'll talk about all
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  Speaker 2: of that shortly, but first, should homeowners be allowed to
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  Speaker 2: forcefully fight back against home intruders? Victorian Libertarian MP David
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  Speaker 2: Limbrick says laws are needed that empower people to defend
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  Speaker 2: their lives and their property in the event of a break-in.
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  Speaker 6: The F around and find out bill. Lots of people
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  Speaker 6: feel unsafe. They feel like they have no means to
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  Speaker 6: protect themselves. And I think in many ways it's gone
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  Speaker 6: out of control. The number of home invasions that we've seen.
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  Speaker 6: I've spoken to so many people in the southeast that
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  Speaker 6: have had their homes invaded.
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  Speaker 2: Under Limbrick's F Around and Find Out legislation, Victorians would
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  Speaker 2: have the legal right to fight back without fear of prosecution,
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  Speaker 2: as well as the right to carry pepper spray in public.
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  Speaker 2: And much as I wish none of this was needed,
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  Speaker 2: I would have thought it's hard to argue, especially when
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  Speaker 2: news reports like this are now par for the course
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 4: Get out of the car!
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  Speaker 3: Get out of the car!
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  Speaker 4: Get out of the car!
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  Speaker 7: I'm in Werribee where a 48-year-old father was slashed in
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  Speaker 7: the face with a sword during a terrifying home invasion.
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  Speaker 7: I was still sleeping and then I heard somebody knock
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  Speaker 7: the door.
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  Speaker 3: I saw the two guys.
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  Speaker 8: With my husband and they.
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  Speaker 3: Hold a knife.
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  Speaker 7: It happened about 1.15am when the young family was woken
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  Speaker 7: by the sound of two teenage boys smashing through their
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  Speaker 7: side fence. The pair then smashed through the garage door
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  Speaker 7: attached directly to the home. Inside were Goff, his wife
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  Speaker 7: Manny and their seven-year-old daughter. The father confronted the intruders
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  Speaker 7: and was then slashed across the face with a sword.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm with David Limbrick. If someone breaks into my house,
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  Speaker 2: I should have the right to defend myself by whatever
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  Speaker 2: force I deem necessary. As David Limbrick says, F around
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  Speaker 2: and find.
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  Speaker 5: Out, Joe. Look, points for the greatest naming of legislation
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  Speaker 5: in Victorian state history. That is the best name, Bill.
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  Speaker 5: It's like what politicians often do where they call it.
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  Speaker 5: In the old days, they had really boring names. It'd
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  Speaker 5: be like the repeal of section blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 5: And now it's things like a better future for our
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  Speaker 5: kids act. And if anyone has a problem with it,
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  Speaker 5: what you oppose a better future for our kids. And
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  Speaker 5: David Lindbergh has taken it to the next level to
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  Speaker 5: sort of GTA level. I do look, obviously what happened
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  Speaker 5: to that father is absolutely terrible, but I do wonder like, firstly,
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  Speaker 5: what happened to him was because he did confront the
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  Speaker 5: attackers in his home, which you would instinctively do. I
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  Speaker 5: would as a father, especially if you feel like you
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  Speaker 5: are under threat and that's how he got it. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: Maybe he would have been better off if he just said, look,
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  Speaker 5: take whatever you want and leave us alone. And again,
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  Speaker 5: if you're encouraging people to do this, the attackers who
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  Speaker 5: are entering your house, they're the ones who are going
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  Speaker 5: to be prepared. They're the ones who are going to
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  Speaker 5: be armed. And so could it actually people think, oh, great,
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  Speaker 5: I can do whatever I want to the next person
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  Speaker 5: who comes into my house. Would that doesn't that go
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  Speaker 5: against the whole general cop thing? If you say this person,
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  Speaker 5: do not approach them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe, but I think I, as the homeowner, should
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  Speaker 2: have the right to decide how I want to handle
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  Speaker 2: this rather than being forced by a government that has
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  Speaker 2: laws that, frankly, protect criminals more than homeowners in the
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  Speaker 2: event of a confrontation. And I don't think, as a homeowner,
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  Speaker 2: I should be trying to work out in real time
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  Speaker 2: what's my legal standing here if I fight back or
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  Speaker 2: if I hide in the cupboard. I think homeowners should be...
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  Speaker 2: Trust law-abiding citizens... to defend their own homes or to
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  Speaker 2: make a decision about their own safety rather than saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if someone breaks into your home, don't touch them, otherwise
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  Speaker 2: you'll find yourself in court. How's that just?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I do think there's a difference between deadly force
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  Speaker 4: and reasonable force. I think if you're going to use
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  Speaker 4: reasonable force to defend yourself and your home, then I
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  Speaker 4: think that that's OK.
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  Speaker 3: I think when we look at places.
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  Speaker 4: Like in the US where you are allowed to stand
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  Speaker 4: your ground, the stand your ground laws are like instances
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  Speaker 4: of murder and homicide, have greatly increased. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: think it is something that we want to see more
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  Speaker 4: of here in terms of, you know, that kind of
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  Speaker 4: deadly force. But I think, you know, you should be
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  Speaker 4: able to stand your ground in some way. But we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to see a good fix here. I think
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  Speaker 4: Jess Wilson, leader of the opposition, was correct today when
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  Speaker 4: she said that, you know, this is.
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  Speaker 3: we should be looking at.
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  Speaker 4: at the crime issue and not putting the onus on
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  Speaker 4: the people.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know I have been robbed? This probably tells
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  Speaker 5: you more about my lifestyle choices.
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  Speaker 3: You've been robbed of so many things.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys have ever been burgled
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  Speaker 5: while anyone's been in the house.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: I have been... I have. I have been... I've been right.
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  Speaker 5: I was about to say twice that I realised it
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  Speaker 5: was three times. So there was one time I was
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  Speaker 5: asleep on a couch in a share house in Redfern
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  Speaker 5: and someone clearly came through the front door and stole
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  Speaker 5: my phone from the couch. There was another time. Yep, yep, yep.
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  Speaker 5: There was another time I was upstairs again in a
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  Speaker 5: share house. I was only 45 years old. And someone
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  Speaker 5: came upstairs and And I didn't realize that at the time,
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  Speaker 5: but when I did actually wake up, I had a
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  Speaker 5: memory of someone sort of coming in the room and
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  Speaker 5: going out. I just assumed it was one of my housemates,
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  Speaker 5: but it was clearly the burglar because no one else
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  Speaker 5: was home. And my housemates pretty much blamed me for
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  Speaker 5: sleeping through the whole thing. And they came in, stole
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  Speaker 5: my wallet, stole my friend's laptop and went out. And
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  Speaker 5: another time, um.
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  Speaker 4: So what you're saying is you're not going to stand
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  Speaker 4: your ground. You're actually just going to sleep through it.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you're getting at?
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  Speaker 5: If I had woken up and caught any of those
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  Speaker 5: people in the act, should I have been able to...
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  Speaker 5: Attack them.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Throw anything at them.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Detain them.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you can in New South Wales. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's different in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 5: No, I suppose. But if they're not actually threatening me.
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  Speaker 5: I know they're in my house. I know they're in
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  Speaker 5: my house.
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  Speaker 2: So by definition, they are threatening you.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want them there. But again, I lost a
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  Speaker 5: bit of money. I think I lost an iWatch or something,
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  Speaker 5: which stopped me looking like a wanker. So that was
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  Speaker 5: probably for the best. Yeah. But again, like, is it
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  Speaker 5: only in the event of someone actually threatening your safety
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  Speaker 5: that you should be allowed to use lethal force?
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  Speaker 2: If they're in your home, they're threatening your safety. They've
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  Speaker 2: broken into your home. So they're already illegal. I get
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  Speaker 2: Jess Wilson's point that we need to focus on the
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  Speaker 2: crime itself and the causes of crime.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's cold comfort to Victorians who are being
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  Speaker 2: broken into to say, yeah, we need to get to
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  Speaker 2: the root issues. Well, while you take the next decade
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  Speaker 2: to get to the root issues, who's protecting me in
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  Speaker 2: my home? Give me the power to defend myself.
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  Speaker 4: But I do think if you've defended yourself and just
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  Speaker 4: say it does end up going to court, you will
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  Speaker 4: have some justification. And I doubt that... I doubt that
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  Speaker 4: they'll be really harsh on you.
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  Speaker 3: There'll be some leniency.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen cases time and time again where the person
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  Speaker 4: has stood up, the homeowner has stood up, and it
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  Speaker 4: hasn't ended well for the other person. And they haven't
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  Speaker 4: really faced dire consequences.
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  Speaker 2: But why should you be dragged through a court process?
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  Speaker 2: That in itself is more... So, first, you're broken into. Second,
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  Speaker 2: your family's threatened. And then third, for your trouble of
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  Speaker 2: defending your family, you're dragged through a court process. So
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  Speaker 2: you get punished all over again.
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  Speaker 5: What would be your weapon of choice?
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  Speaker 2: Golf club.
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  Speaker 5: I've already thought about this. Yeah, I like it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I've got to be more specific.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a putter that's got a really thick head
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  Speaker 2: on it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more of a knife girl.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, see, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big knife.
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  Speaker 5: See, what happens when you've got a knife and they're
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  Speaker 5: like Paul Hogan with a machete and say, that's not
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  Speaker 5: a knife. This is a.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the Victorian, that's definitely going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I didn't... I just think it's a little
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  Speaker 2: rich for Victorian politicians who they know crime is a
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  Speaker 2: big issue, but then to deny Victorians the right in
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  Speaker 2: their own homes to defend themselves or to take the
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  Speaker 2: initiative against people who have broken in, it's a bit
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  Speaker 2: rich to say, no, we're not going to give you
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  Speaker 2: that power. We'll then sort out the crime issue, but
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  Speaker 2: you haven't done that. And then you tie our hands
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  Speaker 2: behind our back as well.
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  Speaker 4: That's why you need to vote in the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 4: so then they can sort out the issue and then
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  Speaker 4: you don't have to worry about it for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Or vote in the Libertarians who give you the right
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  Speaker 2: to defend yourself in your own home.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Or just vote from Columbia.
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  Speaker 5: Or vote for One Nation and kill them all.
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  Speaker 4: OK, speaking of One Nation, an online mob has descended
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  Speaker 4: on a Brisbane cafe after One Nation took a pot
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  Speaker 4: shot at them. So what's happened is Glenn Morris, who
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  Speaker 4: owns this Spring Hill cafe, he has a blackboard and
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  Speaker 4: basically he wrote on it one day, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 4: if One Nation have done their due diligence, putting head
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  Speaker 4: office three doors down from my blackboard.
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  Speaker 3: You can see that blackboard right there.
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  Speaker 4: Now, what happened was One Nation saw this and did
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  Speaker 4: a Facebook post and basically said, oh, we did our
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  Speaker 4: due diligence.
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  Speaker 3: The party said in the caption, Oh, that's nice.
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  Speaker 4: But then, of course, what happened was all the One
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  Speaker 4: Nation supporters got incredibly angry at this cafe owner and
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  Speaker 4: they descended on him and they basically were giving him
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  Speaker 4: one-star reviews and I was trying to sink his small
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  Speaker 4: business and he basically was like, I was just joking, guys.
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  Speaker 4: And it's one of those cases where, you know, this guy,
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  Speaker 4: I went on to his actual Instagram to look at
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  Speaker 4: his posts and He's not political at all. This was
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  Speaker 4: literally just one tongue in cheek kind of post out
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  Speaker 4: of the out of the blue. But all of his
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  Speaker 4: other posts are more like akin to dad jokes.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So he's just having a bit of fun, poking a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of fun. And then now he is absolutely
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  Speaker 4: being annihilated for it.
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  Speaker 3: And I just think, what are we doing, guys?
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  Speaker 4: Let's loosen up. Let's have a bit of fun. He's
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  Speaker 4: just having a bit of fun. And we don't need
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  Speaker 4: to destroy his business while he's doing that. The one
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  Speaker 4: thing we need to do in this country is support
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  Speaker 4: small businesses. Let's not be bringing them down. You don't
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  Speaker 4: have to always agree with someone, but also we can
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  Speaker 4: have a bit of fun about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I just hate it when... the right
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  Speaker 5: behaves exactly like the left.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's what I was going to say. It's exactly
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  Speaker 2: the same.
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  Speaker 5: It's exactly what the... For example, you remember the big
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  Speaker 5: left-wing campaign against the bakery that refused to bake a
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  Speaker 5: wedding cake for a gay couple, a same-sex marriage. And
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  Speaker 5: just everyone just... They're just, you know, nice old-fashioned Christians
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  Speaker 5: in wherever it is, you know, somewhere in middle America. And,
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  Speaker 5: of course, all these crazy students from... you know, wherever couldn't,
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  Speaker 5: couldn't allow that just to exist. Couldn't allow that just
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  Speaker 5: to happen and tried to get the shop boycotted, shut down,
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  Speaker 5: you know, convicted for hate speech or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 5: And this is all kind of the same, isn't it?
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  Speaker 5: Aren't they meant to be the party of free speech?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? I'd make three points on this. Number one.
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  Speaker 3: OK, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation are not responsible for all the idiots who
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  Speaker 2: post supposedly on their behalf.
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  Speaker 3: They knew what they were doing when they did that.
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  Speaker 2: Who did what?
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  Speaker 3: When they put the... One Nation put the Facebook post up.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation said that it's a good coffee shop and
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  Speaker 2: they serve good coffee and we support you. Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Come on.
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  Speaker 5: Hang on a second. So you're going to have a
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  Speaker 5: shot at the one they can face.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. Hang on a second.
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  Speaker 3: They knew what they were doing.
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  Speaker 2: So you're defending the Blackboard post, which was like, One
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  Speaker 2: Nation should have done their due diligence before they, you know... No,
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  Speaker 2: his jokes are bad.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was a stupid thing for the cafe
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  Speaker 5: owner to do.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But he was joking.
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  Speaker 5: But One Nation responded knowing exactly.
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  Speaker 3: What it would do. Exactly what was going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: And they basically brought a gun to a knife fight.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 5: And you, being a knife.
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  Speaker 2: Woman, wouldn't know about that.
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  Speaker 3: I get that.
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  Speaker 2: I think the One Nation Facebook post was completely innocuous.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my good Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. He put a cheeky message on his blackboard.
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  Speaker 2: and then complained when people got political. Well, he started
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  Speaker 2: with politics and then got upset when everyone else responded
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  Speaker 2: with politics. If you want to sell coffee, sell coffee.
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  Speaker 2: But once you start playing politics, you should understand, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not excusing people trying to shut down his business,
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  Speaker 2: that's ridiculous, but... He's kind of inviting feedback, is he not,
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  Speaker 2: with that blackboard?
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  Speaker 3: No, because I think that.
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  Speaker 4: You are now taking the opposite side to what you
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  Speaker 4: normally take with the left when they're.
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  Speaker 3: Doing the same thing, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm simply saying he ought not be surprised. That's
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  Speaker 2: all I'm saying. I'm not saying that people should have
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  Speaker 2: piled on. I think it's ridiculous that people are trying to,
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  Speaker 2: shut down his business. But I just don't think he
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  Speaker 2: should be surprised if you put a blackboard out the
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  Speaker 2: front of your coffee shop playing politics that people who
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: are into politics respond politically. But he was.
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  Speaker 3: Just having a bit of a cheeky go.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even think it was political, if I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to be honest. Like, if you go and look at
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  Speaker 4: his Instagram posts, none of them are political.
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  Speaker 2: But no one was looking at his Instagram. They were
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  Speaker 2: looking at that blackboard.
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  Speaker 3: I know, because One Nation then highlighted it.
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  Speaker 5: Why does everyone feel the need? Like, nowadays, all you
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  Speaker 5: see is... And I have to say, my local coffee shop...
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  Speaker 5: is uh is fantastic and they've got a blackboard out
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  Speaker 5: the front and he says really funny funny cryptic things
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  Speaker 5: and sometimes he thinks i'm going to get in trouble
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  Speaker 5: for this but not because he's from the left but
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: because he's from the right and when i first years
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: and years and years ago when i first met him
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  Speaker 5: when we moved in everything and um he goes oh
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  Speaker 5: joe great to have you here he goes i think we're.
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  Speaker 1: The only right-wing people in the inner west i said Mate,
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  Speaker 1: I hate to break it to you, but I'm sort
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: of Labor right wing, not quite all the way, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I support him.
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  Speaker 3: Which is very left.
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  Speaker 5: But he's very, very funny and he's got a bit
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  Speaker 5: to say about our beloved Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure most more people in the inner west
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: of Sydney have more to say about him.
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: There'll be boycotts. I should dare him to write something
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: about Palestine.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Do not. Let's not go down that route.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: Now, third on our agenda, and it's really a podium position,
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: is this incredible story that James mentioned earlier. Plastic surgeons
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: are pushing to fund no fewer than 30 transgender surgeries
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: on Medicare. And this would be, I believe, up to
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: $ 80, 000 a procedure. That is what they are looking at.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: It would be funded through Medicare. And Nadia David, the
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: chair of Genspect Australia, a health charity promoting non-medicalised approach
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: to sex and gender, has said, people considering irreversible surgery
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: deserve treatments that are based on reliable long-term evidence about
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: benefits and harms. That is currently lacking. So I think
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: the implication is that because it's not covered by the
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: public system, people who feel that this is a matter
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: of basic medical care, because they're not who they think
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: they are on the outside, that they're getting sort of
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: cheap cut price or not adequately worked through therapies. You know,
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: is this the sort of the back alley.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: Lop and chop versus a proper, you know, clinical care scenario.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I think this is the plastic surgeon society seeing cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: If they can get on the Medicare scheme, then they'll
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: be doing very nicely. They estimate that if this is
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: approved by Medicare... that 47,000 people would take advantage of
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: these sex change operations within the first year. That would
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: be millions of dollars that taxpayers would be paying for
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: what is... I would say, I hope I'm allowed to say,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: it's experimental surgery. Certainly the benefits of it are very questionable,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: as are the risks are extremely high.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of risks.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: And there's so many people waiting for surgery that they
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: really do need, that they can't get at the moment.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: To put this on the Medicare scheme with so many
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: questions over it, I think is outrageous, but it would
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: certainly benefit the plastic surgeons.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was that was exactly what I got
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: out of this, that the plastic surgeons were the ones
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: that were pushing this and they're the ones that are
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: going to benefit from this. And look, as as a female,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: you know, I have to bring out this whole thing
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: about medical misogyny, but it really does exist for years.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: And years and years.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: We have fought to get so many things on the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Medicare system. and that we've had to pay out of
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: our own pocket. So it's kind of a slap in
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: the face for a lot of women out there, you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: who have had to fight to, like, you know, get
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: endometriosis and all of those kinds of really important things
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: that people are now finding are more prevalent than they
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: first thought. We really fought really hard to get a
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: lot of those things on Medicare.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of a bit of a slap in.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: The face to just get some plastic surgeons go, yeah,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: but we want to do this, we want to do that,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: we want to reassign this.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: If we are going to say, just to, you know...
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Play devil's advocate. If we are going to say, all right, well,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: we accept this, which probably some of us here tonight don't.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: But if we are going to say.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: If you want to do it, do it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: If you want to do it, you should be free
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: to do it. But is it like other surgeries that
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: would be considered vital for someone's basic health or to
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: keep them alive, it would be funded by Medicare?
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Yes. But is anything.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: That's... I suppose, is it elective surgery?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: It feels elective. But then I don't know.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: That's right. I have no choice. That's how I feel.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: I'm really a girl. This is not my choice. I
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: was just born thinking I'm a girl in an incredibly
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: handsome man's body.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting concept.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I do know exactly.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: What you mean.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: It's like if I said I was gay, you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: elective surgery to not make me gay or to make
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: me gay or whatever. I've got no choice in that.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I was just born this way. If they say that,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: then it's.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: But this is irreversible. Definitely. Sex change surgery makes no
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: sense because you cannot change your sex. So by definition,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: that's why they've changed it, right? Because everyone knows it
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: used to be called sex change, right? But we don't
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: talk about sex changes anymore because the very phrase is ridiculous.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Also, back in the day, people were decisive, goddammit. This
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: is what really gets me. If you went there, you
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: literally put it on a chopping block, off it went,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: no ifs, no buts, you were happy with your life,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: You celebrated. You usually started a cabaret act of some description.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: And everyone was happy. Now it's the whole fluidity. Oh,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: maybe I am. Maybe I'm not.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, for the love of God, people, just decide.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: I don't care which gender you are.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Just pick and stick.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of for the love of God, the other
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: thing that annoys me about this story is the Plastic
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Surgeons Society do talk about instances of anxiety and depression
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: in people suffering gender dysphoria, all of which is true. Yes, absolutely.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: But what they fail to mention is all the studies
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: that find... Typically, after sex change surgery, levels of depression
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and anxiety and suicidal ideation increase rather than reduce. So
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: they're a bit clever by half. As I said, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: think it'll work out very well financially if they get
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: this on Medicare, which they ought not.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: And it's all a grift. It's all a grift.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Of course it is.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: That's what we're finding in the US. It's all a grift.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Speaking of a grift.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Can you perform surgery on someone to stop them being
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: a vegan?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: A lobotomy, I think, is.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: I thought that would be a nice segue.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Perfect segue to the New South Wales Parliament. Speaking of grifts,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the climate protesters were out in force today and one
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: of them, during parliamentary proceedings, managed to jump the barrier
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: separating the public gallery from the chamber floor and fortunately
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: was stopped by a couple of burly MPs.
• 20:48
  Speaker 11: I basically charged across two MPs just to try to
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: restrain the person. I didn't know what was happening at
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: that particular point in time, just knew something was not right.
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: A lot of the MPs got a shock of their lives.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: It's New South Wales Labor for you.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Get in there and deck the little hippie.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: When police got to this guy, he was taken out
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of the chamber, taken out onto the street and released
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: back into the wild.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Was he?
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Here's my problem with this. If you jump the fence
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: at the MCG in the AFL Grand Final.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: You were banned for life and you got a.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: $ 5, 000 fine. Correct.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: And you'll probably end up in court as well. But
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: if you jump the fence in the New South Wales
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Parliamentary Chamber and get onto the floor and God knows
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: what you're going to do if you're not stopped by
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: a couple of brave MPs. You just escorted out onto
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the street and told, enjoy your afternoon. How does that work?
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: This is wild behaviour. How can that person be allowed out?
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I don't understand. You know what he would have done?
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: He would have got on his line bike and just, like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: ridden all the way out of there.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: We did a press conference. They said, hi, my name's Andrew.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: You know, Chris Means isn't doing enough about climate change, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're such douchebags.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: They are.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. They had a protest outside, didn't they? So clearly
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: this was planned to generate publicity for their cause.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: That's right. And I think there was a protest in
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: the gallery.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: That vision was the protest.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Jumped over.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: So he's using the New South Wales Parliament as a
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: stage for his own pantomime to promote his own cause.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: He should be in court tomorrow morning.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, because they're all spoiled little narcissistic brats.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: And again, if he went to court, he'd just be
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: a martyr. But yeah, fine, throw the book at him.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I don't care. You know, firing squad.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Not firing squad. That was me being sarcastic again in
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: case anyone missed it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: But the real stupidity of it and the reason why
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: it's not just a kind of laughing matter or a
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: dumb stunt, which I know we don't think it is,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: but the really ugly, selfish, narcissistic thing that this self-seeking
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: public publicity person has done is that As Michael Daly said,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: the beauty of New South Wales Parliament, and especially which
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: is just in the middle of Sydney, you can wander in,
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: you know, it's open to the public. You're allowed to
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: go to the public gallery. You're allowed to see the
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: bear pit in all its glory. And as a result
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: of this, as a result of them giving that privilege,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: allowing that privilege to these knuckle-dragging protesters... who have then
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: jumped over the top. That is just going to make
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: it that much harder. Like, there's already a review into
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: the security arrangements.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm surprised that it was so.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: It feels so lax in the fact that someone could
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: just jump across.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: There and now people are going to see this.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Soon they'll have the whole thing covered with perspex, you
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: won't be allowed in, or they'll just say, no, you
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: can't come into the parliament anymore, it's a security risk.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: That's why we can't have nice things, basically.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: That's why we can't have nice things, because this douchebag,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: because he thought that it's all about him, has basically
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: now made it less accessible, made democracy, the parliament, less
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: accessible for everybody else, just so he could effectively flop
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: his Johnson out on the national stage. I mean, it's
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: just absolutely it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: It's interesting the level of entitlement amongst us, particularly climate protesters.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And I suppose, you know, if you follow the logic,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: if you believe climate change is an existential threat, the
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: world's going to burn or flood or whatever and we've
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: got to save the planet, then I suppose you feel entitled, therefore, to,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you know, run roughshod over all rules and conventions because
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you're saving the planet, right? But that's the problem with
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: all of these causes. Once they become... ideological and existential.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It gives you license then to ignore everybody else and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: do whatever you want.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right. Because as we have discussed many times,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: this is the new zealotry. This ideology has replaced religious zeal.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: And what we are watching is something like the reformation
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: where people were prepared to burn alive, to kill any
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: number of other people because they thought the very world itself,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: even the afterworld, the heaven was on the line.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So on that, as annoyed as I am at these protesters,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: if you take it a step back beyond that, Our
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: politicians bear responsibility for some of this behaviour, even as
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: it is in the Parliament, because our politicians have talked
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: up and we know who they are. But, I mean,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: remember Nick McKim standing in the Senate?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, don't even get me started on Nick McKim.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: In Canberra talking about billions are going to die because
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: of you.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I can't even.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: With Nick McKim. So is it any wonder then we
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: get idiots like this in the New South Wales Parliament today?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So it's not just crazy protesters, it's elected officials who
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: should know better who have used such extreme rhetoric that
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: we end up with this.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: And the problem is with Rising Tide as well. I mean,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: there is no answer to the thing they're fighting. I mean,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: they want to stop the coal ships.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: So you stop the coal ships. You know, I mean, 60%
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: of our electricity is, like, you know, comes from coal.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: What happens when the lights go out? What are you
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: going to do? Like, they don't really... They're not long-term thinkers. Like,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: if you want a strategy, if you want to fight
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: the environment, by all means do it, but use your
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: time wisely. I mean, a rising tide is not lifting
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: all boats, I'm telling you in this instance.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: The coal ships are going out to other countries that
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: are going to burn coal... Yeah... no matter what. And
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: so if they don't get it from Australia, they'll just
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: burn lower-quality coal from somewhere else. Can't let a segment
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: that mentions Nick McKim go by without just reminding everybody
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: that when Labor announced that the CGT, negative gearing arrangements
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: for homeowners, would be grandfathered, Nick McKim corrected himself and said... Grandperson.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Grandperson.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I just want everyone to just hold in your minds
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: what kind of a scrambled brain would actually think to
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: do that in the middle of a debate about housing
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: tax policy.
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: Anyway.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: On we go.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Speaking of the environment, we're going to go to the
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: UK now where we're going to talk about EVs. So
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: really interesting, EV drivers over in the UK are facing
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: police raids for trying to dodge pay-per-mile... Tax.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm finding this really interesting, to be honest.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: So officers can enter homes to inspect, test and seize
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: vehicles if they suspect tampering.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Now, why is this coming about?
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: It's because the UK, Labor in the UK, have introduced
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: a pay per mile tax, something which I think we
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: should discuss later. From April 2028, EV drivers will pay
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: 3p per mile and plug-in hybrids 1.5p per mile. Drivers
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: must estimate annual mileage and pay the fee when renewing
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: their car tax. and mileage will be verified at MOT centres. Now,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I find this actually a very interesting idea because it
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: is something that a lot of our politicians have been
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: discussing here because, you know, petrol cars, diesel cars do
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: bear the brunt of paying the fuel excise, which, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: helps keep the roads together and make sure that we
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: are able to drive freely. But then a lot of
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: people with hybrids and EVs are kind of getting around,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: scooting around that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: They don't really have to pay a tax on anything anymore.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: But sure, they get to drive the same roads that
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the people who are actually paying for get to drive
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: It's a really big debate and I find it really interesting.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Can I jump in for one second?
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Not only do they get to drive the roads for free,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: but they do more damage to the roads because heavy
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: things are so much heavier.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: And I was listening to this the other day where
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: they were saying it's much heavier as well.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: So it's a really interesting concept.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I am also being reminded of back in the day,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: you know, when you would buy a really old– I
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: remember I had a Datsun 120Y.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: We've had this discussion.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: A Datsun 180B? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: And, like, you would be worried that someone's turned the
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: odometer back, you know, back in the day. But anyway,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: this is what they're doing to EVs. People might be
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: turning the odometer back. But, look, I think this is
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: a great idea. I think we should be doing this here. And,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: of course, there's going to be some scammers.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Turn the odometer back.
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: No.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Because Ferris Bueller's friend tried it and it did not
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: end well.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll just reverse the card. It doesn't work like that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: No, but I think this is a very good idea
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: and something we should be looking at here and.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know why we're not.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Well, the first point is... A situation where police can
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: now come into your home and raid your house and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: go down into your garage and seize your car.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Well, they're special police. They're EV police.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the UK, right? So if you are an
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: illegal immigrant, the police won't do anything. If you march
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: up and down the streets waving terrorist banners, the police
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: won't do anything.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: If you make a bad Facebook post, though.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I reckon what you should do, pay your mileage
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: tax and the money that you pay on that, just
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: go down to the supermarket and nick groceries because the
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: police will never turn up there.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: In the UK. Exactly.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: So you'll just make it back.
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: Exactly.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: There must be a massive moral dilemma for you, whether
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: you're on the side of woke police or woke EV drivers.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: So conflicting.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know where I can land on this.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: If you've got a system where cheating is so easy
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and now you need special police to raid homes, then
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: maybe they need to rethink. Because I agree with the principle,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: EV owners must and should pay their way.
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But there's got to be a better way. to collect
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the levy than that.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, I like the idea of special EV police, though.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the idea of just.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Like Benny Hill. Just imagine Benny Hill's characters.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: I just like the riot squad just kicking the door
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: in of smug Tesla owners who, you know, powered entirely
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: by their own sense of self-importance. So my mechanic slash
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: spiritual guru told me a story about, I think it
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: was an Uber driver who drove a Tesla.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, seeing the cars you drive, Joe,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: your mechanic would need to be a spiritual guru.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: He really is, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know, the
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: car I drive is his old car. So the Land Cruiser,
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: the 20-something-year-old Land Cruiser I bought was his car and
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: the whole family loved it. actually came out on the
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: street to say goodbye to it so i'm sort of
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: like see the driver's seat and his brother's like sticking
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: his head in the passenger seat looking all around the
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: sun's coming the sun's coming out go oh i'm really
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: gonna miss it the dad's like i don't know if
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: i could do it and the son's like he says
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: dad you're gonna see it every six months for a
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: service Anyway.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I wish you were joking and you're not.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not joking at all. This is verbatim a true story,
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: even to the point where they pulled down the sun
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: visor and there was like a little sort of icon.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: They're Greek, of course. And there's a little icon with
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: a little sort of cross and Jesus and everything. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: he just points to it and goes, Greek insurance. LAUGHTER Anyway,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: but he was telling me stuff about this guy who'd
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: come in and he was just trying to get a roadworthy,
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: a pink slip, and he came in with a Tesla
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: and the tyres were just shredded. And he's like, mate,
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: I can't give you, I can't tick off on this.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Like one of these tyres is about to explode, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: and you'll run off the road. It could kill you,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: you know. You've got to get new tyres, blah, blah, blah.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: And the guy said, all right, well, how much are they?
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: And it was something, it was some crazy amount, like maybe,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: I think, well, for the Land Cruiser, it was 220
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: I got them for. So, and even I thought that's
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: heaps more than the Falcon. But I think it was
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: something like 450 or 500 bucks each for electric vehicle tyres,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: because they have to be super, super, super strong because
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: the vehicles are so heavy. So I reckon as the,
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: EVs become more and more common. People are going to
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: get tyre shock.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Quick question on this topic before we move on.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Are we concerned that the way they're now collecting the levy,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the government knows how far you're driving? Do the government
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: need to know about your driving habits?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, Elon Musk already knows everything about you and
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: so does China, so I think with the EVs, the
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: last thing we really need to worry about.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I find that argument unconvincing because it's almost like, ah,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I'll just give up because that ship has already sailed, right?
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: It has.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: But is that still the reason then to say, so
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: just give the government more knowledge about our comings and goings?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: No, but, like, didn't we have to sign up to
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: that app during COVID? I mean, the government has everything
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: on us already.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, ICAC already knows whenever I leave the house, so... Yeah.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you two are so defeated.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: No, I'm not. I'm just saying... I'm just.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: It's a reality.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: It's... Yeah. You know there was a proposal to charge
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: rego fees based on how far people drove their cars
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: and obviously charge people who drove further more, and I was...
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Absolutely outraged about that on those very privacy concerns. Now
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: I don't really give a rat's. Finally, one of my
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: favourite comedians is Shane Gillis. And Shane Gillis, you may remember,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: was the comedian who was hired and then fired by
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Saturday Night Live before he'd even started the job. because
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: some humorless little knob on Twitter decided to dig up
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: some remark he'd said on a podcast somewhere that this
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: person said, oh, you sure you're going to do this?
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: This guy's really racist. Just nauseating, sanctimonious little fun police. Anyway,
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: they're back. Shane Gillis, the thing is, Saturday Night Live, oh,
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: you know, tried to be all Holly than that. Oh, yes,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: we didn't realize we would never condone anything that's racist.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: But they keep getting him back on because he's so
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: funny and he's just catnip to the SNL. So, of course,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: as usual, when it comes to a choice between the
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: money and the morals, SNL has chosen the money and
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: chose what gets eyeballs on there, which they should have
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: always done in the first place.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Well, it used to be edgy. SNL used to be edgy.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. And now they're just boring. Anyway, they
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: keep getting him back on. But now Shane Gillis is
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: in trouble again and the left want to re-cancel him
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: because of this joke he told.
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: I try to go to a public gym. Going to
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: the public gym as a fat guy, especially in New York,
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: is a nightmare, dude. Everyone's just the hottest gay guys
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: you've ever seen. They're jacked and they look at me like, yeah, right.
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: I know, dude. Also, I haven't been to the gym
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: in so long, I didn't know women just dress like
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: whores now. Look, I'm sorry, there's no other way to describe.
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: I say, have you seen it? I've seen it, the shorts.
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: Have you seen the shorts? Those neon, they're like the only,
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: they're like artificial bait colored.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: So now, of course, all the activists are like, oh,
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: my God, he called women whores. He's terrible. All of
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: which was part of a self-deprecating routine about how fat
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: and unattractive he was and how self-conscious he felt.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: But do I think as a female, do I think
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: it is a cheap shot? Yeah, absolutely. But do I
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: think it's a little bit funny? Yeah, absolutely as.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Well, because I do go to a gym, particularly one
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: in Sydney's East, which happens to have a lot of
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: influencer types.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: And I kind of get where they're coming from. The
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: things are getting skimpier. The boobs are popping like it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: all happening.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: I've got to say, I see people like there's lots
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: of gyms around here. The gyms are the place, the
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: pubs are the place where young people go. I honestly
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: thought I had walked into an OnlyFans page and The.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Girls are getting hotter.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: No, like they look hot.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Is it that they're getting hotter or they're just wearing
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: different clothes?
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: No, the girls are getting hotter and they're wearing less
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: clothes because they can get away with it because they're hotter.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I spent days investigating this. I can confirm that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Do some more research and report back to us later
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: in the week, Joe.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: I'll see you tomorrow night.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, we're going to go to a break.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers warning lefties not to be too hard on
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: One Nation. We'll talk about that and more in a moment.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines in tomorrow's papers so you hear them
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: all here first. And we'll start with Jim Chalmers. Is
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: he trying to rehabilitate his image, Michelle?
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to take a lot to rehabilitate
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: this image.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: So in the Oz on the front page, we shouldn't
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: turn on fellow Australians. Now, Jim Chalmers has warned left-wing
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: activists not to campaign against One Nation from a position
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: of smug moral superiority, declaring his budget of tax hikes...
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: was needed to stem the voter drift to the far right,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: as it showed. Labor was upending the status quo. Now,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: declaring his lifetime in the battler suburb of Logan meant
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: he carried with me a genuine respect and understanding.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: The Treasurer said One Nation.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Supporters were mourning a loss of control and treated feelings
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: as real as facts, but counseled that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Labor shouldn't turn on them.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, what can I say about Jim Chalmers? He
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: really is... Articulate.
• 37:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: He's doing more damage than good at this point.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Well, it's the right call. I mean, it's the right call.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: It's just come about, you know... telling the lefty activists
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: to stop adopting a position of smug moral superiority is
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: about 50 years too late.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: But wait, he says don't adopt a position of smug
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: moral superiority while he adopts a position of smug moral superiority.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Even if they're so stupid they think facts are feelings.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: No, I think... Not kettle black. I think he's doing
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: the right thing. But again, you know, this is something
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Peter Malinowskis said as soon as the South Australian election
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: result came in and has been much more sort of,
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: you know, studiously to the centre. Same with Chris Minns
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: So you're both in politics. He's had an absolute shellacking
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: over the last couple of months, right? So has he
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: sat at the kitchen table and thought, what can I
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: say that changes the... I know, be nice to your
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: fellow Australians. I'm going to go, has he been advised
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: to say that? Has he come up Is it a
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: deliberate thing to try and change the narrative around himself?
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I think he's trying to change the narrative.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: And I think today it didn't help that the IMF
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: kind of came out and said, you know, things aren't
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: looking good. Inflation is so high and we're going to, like,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: get really raked over the coals when it comes to
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: unemployment next year. So I think he's trying to maybe
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: go look over here a little bit. But the problem
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: is with him, if you ever watch him in Parliament,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: and I have, I've gone down to Parliament and watched him,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: he's incredibly smug, an incredibly smug human to watch in
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: real life as a politician and a parliamentarian.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: So I'm not really believing this from him.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I think, well, I mean, every politician is smug in question.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Of course they are.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: You sort of have to be, you put on the armour.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: But again, I think he is, I think he is
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: saying the right things, albeit after a lot of other
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: people had already fired this warning.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: But it's falling on deaf ears now.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Other people have already fired this warning shot. And then
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: I think the problem with the left, it's such a Pavlovian,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: you know, they really are Pavlov's dog. Like there's just
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: such a visceral automatic response. They kind of can't help it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: And if you look at, You look at the sort
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: of knob ends who are engaging with Dave Hughes online.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I love Dave Hughes at the moment.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: So do I, yeah. Dave Hughes is on his own
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: personal journey, and I love it when people are like, oh, actually, Dave,
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: I think you've been... Like, that sort of stuff just
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: pisses people off more and drives them further into the
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: arms of one another.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Can I just point out another own goal here from
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers? Hanson voters mourn a loss of control... At
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: first I thought, oh, that's a bit trite. But, yeah,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I think one nations do mourn a loss of control
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: because we used to have governments that actually represented us.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Now we have governments that we don't want massive but
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: they're going to do it anyway. We don't want net zero,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: but they're going to do it anyway.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Everything in the budget, no one voted for.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So the problem with the government is that they
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: don't answer to the electorate. They're not responsible or accountable.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: We have lost control.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I do quite like the argument that we had to
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: produce this budget that has totally overturned the entire table,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: pulled the tablecloth off. up the end of the apple
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: cart just so we could show that we're as sort
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: of crazy and radical and drain the swamp as one nation.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure if that logic quite translates into the community.
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: No.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to stick to the Australian and we
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: have this one here as well.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: AI letter came from the PMO.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Now, a high-level staffer in Anthony Albanese's office created the
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: document that a bipartisan pair of MPs then used to
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: give the Prime Minister and Angus Tallad the go-ahead for
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: to overhaul copyright laws against wishes of Australian creatives and
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: to satisfy the demands of big tech bosses. Now, despite
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: the letter ostensibly being signed by Labor MP Joe Briski
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: and Coalition frontbencher John O'Donoghue, staffers in the PM's office
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: had gone through the letter line by line with suggestions
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: and approvals in the earlier version of the document. And
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: metadata shows the document was created in the first instance
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: by a high-level staffer in the Prime Minister's office. This
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: has been in the news all day. I know David
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Pocock went hard on this. look, I do understand where
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: he's coming from, but at the end of the day, this,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: you know... And John O'Donoghue is done anyway, so he's.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Like, whatever.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: It happens all the time.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: It happens all the time. It's bipartisanship, it's what they're doing.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: I think it's great that they're reaching across the aisle.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: That's the real story, David, that politicians from all political
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: backgrounds are working together for the common good.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: David wasn't invited.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Now, on the front page of the Daily Telegraph is
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: an absolute blockbuster yarn by my very good friends Jason
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Morrison and Susan Giuliani. Labor's gift to Jew hate. Obviously
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: not messing around there. Group behind vile slurs got $ 300, 000
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: from Home Affairs. The firebombing of a Jewish childcare centre
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: and a string of anti-Semitic attacks targeting a Sydney's Jewish
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: community were, quote, all a sham, according to an Islamic
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: media organisation. Oh, I suppose free speech and all that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Ruh-roh.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Handed down. $ 308, 000 in taxpayer funding by the Home Affairs
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: Department a year after it published the vile claims.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to see this more and more.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Like, it's just... It's like a.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Thread and it's just slowly unravelling and unravelling and there's
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: going to be so many more questions at the Home Affairs.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I was going to have.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: To end it. Shane, this is cancelled and... These guys
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: get 300 grand.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But you read stories like this, right, and you
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: think not a single Albanese government minister appeared before the
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Royal Commission.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Is this not relevant?
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: To the problem of anti-Semitism?
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Is this not the government funding anti-Semitism?
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And yet they don't front up to a royal commission,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: but not interested in, and not called, not volunteering to
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: give evidence. No, of course not. Outrageous.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, also the freedom of information. I mean, he
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: is the least transparent prime minister in history.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: In history.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: When the freedom of information stuff, it's just getting denied left,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: right and centre and people just aren't even paying attention.
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it does look like this came from
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: the department as opposed to directly from Minnesota. I don't know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: I haven't read the rest of the story, but I'm
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: not sure if it's out yet, but.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't the minister be across $ 300, 000? I would have thought so.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: He signs the document, doesn't he, at the end of
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the day?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, you're a general.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know about all those details.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Apparently Tony Burke doesn't know about.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Those details either. That's below my pay grade.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Front page of the Herald Sun features a photograph of
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: a football player in the wonderful North Melbourne colours. This
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: is a happy day for.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Makes you feel proud, doesn't it, J-Mac?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I tell you what, kangaroo supporters, we're starved of good
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: news and we can never attract great players, but we've
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: managed to attract one. On discount. On a discount, thanks
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: to an evening at a hotel. But rue the day,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: shamed swan's big man move. Sorry, let me do it again.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Shamed swan's big money move amid sex assault probe divides
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: footy fans. I'm not sure it really divides footy fans.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: North Melbourne supporters are thrilled. I think the interesting thing.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: Everyone else hates it.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: With Nick Blakey going to North Melbourne, they're paying him
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: something like $ 11 million. That's bonkers.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Over eight years.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Eight years?
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, eight years. But that's more than Buddy Franklin got
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: to come to the Swans, which was then a record.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: And all he had to do was apologise.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. He has not been charged with
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: any criminal offence.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.
• 44:02
  Speaker 10: Shh!
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Surely the police would have done something by now if
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: it were... Yes. 100%. This is not, you know, Cluedo.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: This is a fairly, I would have thought.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: No-one has been charged.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: simple case.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, you see, it had him locked up and thrown
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: away the key when he was a Swans player, but
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: now that he's playing for North Melbourne, you think he's
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: innocent as a.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: No, no, I always urged caution and that people shouldn't
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: rush to judgement. He will hopefully lead North Melbourne to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: a premiership.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: And the Pullman will be forgotten.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I think you should be arrested just to play for
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: North Melbourne.
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  Speaker 4: Quickly on the advertiser, a poll, smacking kids is OK.
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  Speaker 4: About two-thirds of Australian adults believe parents should have the
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: right to smack their children with a wooden spoon without
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: being guilty of assault, news research shows. And about half
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: of them think it is OK for a parent to
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: slap a child's face.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: I do have to say, the.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Odd time that I have lost my temper with my
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: child and hit him, I felt incredibly sorry incredibly guilty,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: like literally.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Been in tears. So I don't know why this is
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: coming back. Who wants to hit their child? I don't
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: know if anyone wants to hit their child.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I smacked my kids because I'm smart enough to know
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: the difference between discipline and abuse. And I'm not an abuser,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: but I am a disciplinarian.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I couldn't do it.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Your responsibility as a parent to discipline your kids.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: I grabbed my middle daughter because she was grabbing the
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: younger one.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: With the siblings, you've got to get in there.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Was hurting her and blah, blah, blah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: And so I just grabbed her and pulled her off.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: And the look on her face, it broke my heart too.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I remember my mum used to say, this is going
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: to hurt me more than it hurts you.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, I used to get that all the time.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Now I feel bad about bringing out the iron putter
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: on them.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: We've got to go to a break. When we come back,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: people on a Qantas flight bitten by bedbugs. The whole
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: plane had to be cleaned out. That's next. I'm not
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: a massive fan of public transport. The Sydney Metro is good.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: The bus system, not so great, Joe. But, gee, it's
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: interesting these days.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not what you've got, it's what you do
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: with it, James. And one commuter decided that he was
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: going to take to the buses in a slightly different
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: way that the rest of us poor old nine-to-fivers do.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Check out this footage. This is a guy hanging out
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: the top of a B-double, which is not a B-double,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: a B-line double-decker... Forget the technical mumbo-jumbo. Just play the clip.
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: Shocking footage has emerged of a teenager hanging from a
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: moving bus on Sydney's northern beaches.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: The boy was filmed.
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: Dangling from an open window as the bus travelled along
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: Baron Joey Road in Mona Vale. The dangerous stunt stunned
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: passing motorists with the driver of the bus seemingly unaware
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: of the teen's behaviour.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Needless to say, the authorities at Transport for New South
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Wales were absolutely shocked when they saw the footage. They
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: now realise they can increase capacity by 75%.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Also, I remember doing that on the Red Rattlers, the
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: trains that used to go out to Riverstone between... Between
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: the carriages. Between the carriages. I used to hang out
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: the sides. I mean, it's what kids do.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: It's not great.
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  Speaker 5: Not what all the alive ones did.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: You'd probably smack for that one.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: You, I.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, I don't.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: LAUGHTER Now this story makes me itchy just thinking about it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: So a Qantas flight from Perth to Rome. A lot
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: of the people who were on that flight in economy
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: were getting a little bit itchy and it seems that
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: they had a few more passengers than they expected.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Bed bugs. Yep, that's right. Bed bugs. Let's take a look.
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: The drama on Friday's non-stop Qantas service from Perth to Rome.
• 47:40
  Speaker 10: Travellers complaining of being bitten on the almost 17-hour flight.
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: Telling Nine News they were woken by screaming, a baby
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: saying buggies, some children were sick. That the bugs were
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: crawling up the windows.
• 47:54
  Speaker 12: They might move a few metres, five, maybe as much
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: as ten metres. They're looking for something to eat and
• 48:01
  Speaker 12: if they find somebody they can bite onto quickly they
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: won't go any further.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Now, I mean, the Dreamliner gives it a whole new name.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: They had to send the flight back.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: A lot of the passengers were stuck in Rome for
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: two days while the Dreamliner had to undertake a deep,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: deep clean.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I have been in.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Some places that have had bedbugs before.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: They're not nice.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Gee, as if economy's not bad enough already.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Before we go, we want to show you some amazing
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: footage from Rainbow Beach in Queensland. Paragliders getting tangled up. Luckily,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: no one hurt. Have a look.
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: Neil, Neil, it's all good.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Neil, just fly the glider, Neil. Fly the glider.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: Left, left.
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  Speaker 1: And left, left, Neil.
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: Left, left, left, left.
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  Speaker 4: Good.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Amazing they both walked away without injury. That's it from us.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Up next, the Rita Pennehy Show. Good night.