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"We're not supposed to get closer... but we're gonna do it anyway!" · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This week on Yo Gabble Gabble, if your neighbor's pit
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  Speaker 2: bull attacks your tiny toy dog, can.
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  Speaker 1: You get them to pay for bills even if they've
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  Speaker 1: already paid you cash? Judge Mathis has a terrible take
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  Speaker 1: on pit bulls.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Struck by it.
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  Speaker 2: Struck by it. Aren't you dead at that point if
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  Speaker 2: has really piqued your interest. I'm very excited because I'm
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  Speaker 2: not excited about mine. So, you know, there's that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's that. Welcome to the gavel, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of those easy breezy ones you can
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  Speaker 2: listen to on the way to work in the morning. Mindless.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And typically... will make you forget about your worries in life.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you get one of the real downers that we've
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  Speaker 2: had recently. Like if you got a 20 to 25
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  Speaker 2: minute commute to work, this is your podcast. Nothing's going
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  Speaker 2: to get you in the work mood like this because
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  Speaker 2: your life's better than typically what's going on here.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Dan, I have a Judge Ross case today.
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  Speaker 1: That's clearly intriguing you.
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  Speaker 2: Let me do mine first so I can really lock
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  Speaker 2: in on Struck by Lava.
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  Speaker 1: Where are we going today?
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  Speaker 2: Mathis, Alicia Neal is suing her neighbor Cheryl DePriest for $ 1, 550
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  Speaker 2: in vet bills and emotional distress.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a reason why you slid into your Cosby there? What?
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  Speaker 1: How dare you, first of all. I mean, you can
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  Speaker 1: hear it. DePriest. All right, all right. What are you
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  Speaker 1: talking about? Go ahead. Cheryl DePriest. Triple down.
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl DePriest has brought her son. Alicia Neal has brought
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  Speaker 2: her mom with her on this particular journey.
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  Speaker 1: Big family affair. Let's get it drunk. It's on it, brown.
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  Speaker 1: It's on it.
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  Speaker 2: Alicia says, I'm here on behalf of Pebbles, Octavia Neal.
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  Speaker 1: She gave her dog a middle name. Your dogs have
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  Speaker 1: middle names?
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  Speaker 2: I think that my youngest one does because my kids
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  Speaker 2: named them. And then I don't think any of the
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  Speaker 2: other ones ever had middle names.
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  Speaker 1: Just that one. Your dogs?
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  Speaker 2: No. No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Good talk. Got it. Rufus did. Yeah. Rufus did.
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  Speaker 1: What was it? You seem embarrassed. I don't remember why
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  Speaker 1: this happened. Okay. But his name was Rufus Lamar James Gray.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I don't love it. You
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  Speaker 1: can see why I was hesitant. Yeah, I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: said it. I'd have been like, I don't remember.
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  Speaker 2: Not LeBron James.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think what happened is at one point... Cheryl Debris.
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  Speaker 1: I think at one point... You were a racist. This
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  Speaker 1: is me speaking out of turn.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: My wife was.
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  Speaker 2: She, I believe, misspoke at one point and called LeBron
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  Speaker 2: Lamar James.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't know who he was. And I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: so funny that I made... That's funny. That's funny. She
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  Speaker 1: would probably remember better than I. Go ahead. Alicia says,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here on behalf of Pebbles Octavia Neal. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen a dog in your courtroom, Your Honor,
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  Speaker 2: so I brought this framed picture. She brought a framed...
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  Speaker 2: picture of her. I like that she went back to
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  Speaker 2: the tape. I don't want to do something that's unprecedented.
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  Speaker 2: Your Honor, I've had Pebbles since she was three months old.
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  Speaker 2: That's my baby. I take her everywhere with me. It
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  Speaker 2: is a very little dog. It's a little toy, probably poodle.
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  Speaker 2: Pound or two, maybe. Tiny little dog. Everybody knows her.
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  Speaker 2: She's one of us. She's got clothes. She's got leg warmers.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even have leg warmers, Your Honor, but my
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  Speaker 2: dog has leg warmers. Dude, I saw a dog the
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  Speaker 2: other day with Crocs on and it was... That dog
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  Speaker 2: was in hell.
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  Speaker 1: It was hilarious. Dogs don't like things on their feet. No.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. I just had a dog die, right? Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And towards the end of his life... had a hard
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  Speaker 1: time walking.
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  Speaker 2: And so anytime he had to walk, we had to
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  Speaker 2: put little grips on it because he was.
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  Speaker 1: A champ about it. He was a champ about it.
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  Speaker 1: What a guy. Could have gotten Crocs, though. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Joey. Shout out, Joey.
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl says, Your Honor, I brought a picture of my dog, too.
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  Speaker 2: My dog's Ginger. We call her Gigi. It's a framed photo.
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  Speaker 1: Is Ginger a part of this case? Yes. Okay. There's
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  Speaker 1: two dogs.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know if we were just all bringing.
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  Speaker 2: No. So this dog, Mathis is a bit where he's like,
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  Speaker 2: let me see your sweet dog. And it's a pit bull.
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  Speaker 2: And he like, oh, it's a pit bull. Like he
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  Speaker 2: does a full bit. It's shocked like how this dog's
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  Speaker 2: a pit bull. It's not some sweet dog. And his
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  Speaker 2: reaction makes me realize that the last time I did Mathis,
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  Speaker 2: I hated Judge Mathis. And I said I would never
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  Speaker 2: do him again. And this case pretty much seals it
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  Speaker 2: for me. The problem is, is he... Come on back
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  Speaker 2: next week. The Judge Mathis YouTube is so organized and
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  Speaker 2: it's easy and it's split up by case. So I
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  Speaker 2: know the exact length of each case instead of... It's
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  Speaker 2: so easy to find. A lot of the other ones
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  Speaker 2: do a 19-minute full episode, so you never know how
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  Speaker 2: long the first case is.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Mathis makes it easy, but I hate him. I
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  Speaker 1: hate this guy. Tell us why.
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  Speaker 2: So many reasons. Anyway, so Cheryl's like, I want to
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  Speaker 2: defend Gigi's honor. She's great with kids. She does tricks.
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  Speaker 2: She's a part of my family.
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  Speaker 1: She does tricks? I've never taught her to fight. I've never, like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not something she does.
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  Speaker 2: Does she get excited to see other dogs?
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  Speaker 1: Does she get hyperactive?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, of course. But she sleeps in my bed. She's
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  Speaker 2: not a scary dog. She's around kids all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I own pit bulls, pit shepherds. I own mixes.
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  Speaker 1: Like, that's true. Like, dogs are what you train them
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  Speaker 1: to be. Guys, come on. Alicia says, on September 10th,
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  Speaker 1: Never forget, I was walking with Pebbles. Are you okay?
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  Speaker 1: What the heck, brother? Cheryl DePriest.
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  Speaker 2: You are out to lunch today. Can we air this?
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  Speaker 2: I was walking with Pebbles to the mailbox, which is
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  Speaker 2: across the street from our apartment.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: We're walking back. And this is when she gets very dramatic,
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  Speaker 2: and it's hard for me to understand exactly what happens here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I pieced it all together. But she says,
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  Speaker 2: there's a dog on a leash that's going crazy, like
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  Speaker 2: jumping up in the air, doing flips. There's a man
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  Speaker 2: who has this dog on a leash. The man then
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  Speaker 2: grabs Gigi, the pit bull, by the collar to keep
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  Speaker 2: her still as I'm trying to hurry and get Pebbles home.
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  Speaker 2: And my leash is retractable. I don't have one of those.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a retractable leash. Pebbles is not very big.
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  Speaker 2: I can just take her wherever I want to take her.
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  Speaker 2: And so then I hear this man says, like, stand
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  Speaker 2: still and pick up my dog.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I.
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  Speaker 2: That was scary to me. So instead, I start running
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  Speaker 2: with the retractable leash. The man told her to stand
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  Speaker 2: still and pick up his dog?
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  Speaker 1: To pick up her dog. Her dog. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So basically what happened is that he grabbed Gigi by
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  Speaker 2: the collar. She was getting excited. And then Gigi broke
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  Speaker 2: out of her collar. Who is this guy? This guy
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  Speaker 2: is going to be....
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl DePriest's boyfriend. And is he going to be in
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  Speaker 1: the course? No, he's not. We have a statement from him. Okay, great.
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  Speaker 1: So basically the way, and this is me doing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the.
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  Speaker 2: Legwork here because Alicia just gets very emotional here, but
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  Speaker 2: basically he tries to steady the pit bull as this dog,
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  Speaker 2: because Gigi's so excited. Gigi breaks out of her collar
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  Speaker 2: and in a last ditch effort for Gigi to not
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  Speaker 2: go over to play with this toy dog, which is
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  Speaker 2: so much smaller. I mean, a pound versus probably 70 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: This is a big dog. He says, please stay still
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  Speaker 2: and pick up your dog. That would give, if Alicia
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  Speaker 2: picks up her dog, then this gives this man time
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  Speaker 2: to go over and wrangle Gigi and get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Her back is turned at this point. She hears it.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't quite know. And instead decides to pick up the pace.
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  Speaker 2: I get that. I get both sides. A dog going
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  Speaker 2: crazy and then you turn your back. Everyone's actions make
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  Speaker 2: sense right now. So basically Alicia then says, this is
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  Speaker 2: where I get confused. Alicia says, this man, uh, we
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  Speaker 2: took off running. This man grabs pebbles leash and has
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  Speaker 2: her dangling in the air like a yo-yo. That's what
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  Speaker 2: she says, which would mean that at some point, Alicia
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  Speaker 2: dropped the leash and just started running without her dog.
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  Speaker 2: She never says that. But the next line she says,
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  Speaker 2: after I was terrified, we took off. He told me
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  Speaker 2: to stand still and pick up my dog.
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  Speaker 1: I was terrified. I took off.
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  Speaker 2: Is this man grabs Pebbles' leash and has her dangling
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  Speaker 2: in the air. If she has a retractable leash, it
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  Speaker 2: could be... Like, she never got around to picking up Pebbles.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And Pebbles ran back towards that direction, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: of the retractable leash.
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  Speaker 1: So he didn't grab the handle, he grabbed just the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the leash.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Which would also make sense if he's trying to keep
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  Speaker 1: her out of danger of... Yes. Because here's the thing,
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  Speaker 1: is the dog.
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  Speaker 2: Gigi could be 100% playing with Pebbles, but because she's,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Three times the size, maybe two, three percent.
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  Speaker 2: Of his weight yeah her weight that's playing could become
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  Speaker 2: deadly pretty quickly yeah right so um alicia then says
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  Speaker 2: your honor uh he grabbed a gg grab pepper pebbles
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  Speaker 2: took her like took off with her in her mouth
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  Speaker 2: basically running with the dog in her mouth.
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  Speaker 1: She had punctures. She was bleeding. Cheryl says, that's not true.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't bleeding. Alicia says, you weren't out there. Stop talking.
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  Speaker 2: Judge Madeline says, we'll get to you in a second.
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  Speaker 2: Now the security guard was there. There was a whole
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  Speaker 2: time I'm screaming, help me. The security guard broke them up.
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  Speaker 2: I had to take pebbles to the vet to get
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  Speaker 2: her checked out. And she was fixed. Now, Uh, here's
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  Speaker 2: what we know. I don't know if there was blood
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  Speaker 2: or not. Here's what we know is the vet bill
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  Speaker 2: for pebbles. The total vet bill was $ 550. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I know if you go to an emergency vet,
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  Speaker 2: what that costs and you know, if they have to
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  Speaker 2: do any invasive procedure, what that costs, the total vet bill.
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  Speaker 1: Brand, $ 550. That's the total. It's a good deal. It's
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  Speaker 1: a good deal. The goodwill. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's like to walk in the door at the emergency vet. The,
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  Speaker 2: the office visit is $ 200. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How long ago is this though?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, 15 years, but still I, I've taken a bit like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so, uh, you need to know that at
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  Speaker 2: front she's doing 1550 total, uh, a thousand emotional distress, 500,
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  Speaker 2: five 50 for the vet bill.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Cheryl's like, Your Honor, there was no blood.
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  Speaker 2: Mathis says, how do you know? She goes, well, I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't out there. And she goes, so you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You just said you knew and you didn't know. He
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  Speaker 2: starts reading her the write-out.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, Your Honor, I have a statement from my
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  Speaker 2: boyfriend who's not here who was walking the dog. He
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  Speaker 2: hands her the statement. Why the heck is he not here?
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. Well, then her son is there. And
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  Speaker 1: her son is.
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  Speaker 2: Like, Your Honor, he didn't snatch the dog and hang
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  Speaker 2: it up like a yo-yo. I saw him pick the
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  Speaker 2: dog up. Mathis is like, how did you see that?
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  Speaker 2: Donnie said, well, I was home.
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  Speaker 1: Donnie.
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  Speaker 2: Donnie. When I don't know this guy's name, the boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: said he was going to take Gigi for a walk.
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  Speaker 2: And then somebody came and knocked on my door and
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  Speaker 2: said that Gigi was loose. So who's that person? We
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  Speaker 2: don't have that person. He's like, but when I heard
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  Speaker 2: Gigi was loose, I opened the door and I see
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  Speaker 2: the boyfriend has picked up, has picked up this dog
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  Speaker 2: with his hands.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mathis says, well, why do you think you're
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  Speaker 1: not liable for this?
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  Speaker 2: Right. And Cheryl says, because whatever went wrong I paid
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  Speaker 2: for already, I gave her $ 150. Fair enough. Alicia says,
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  Speaker 2: she didn't give.
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  Speaker 1: Me any money. Uh-oh. And then she does this. Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: None.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing. Like this. Uh, Mathis says, do you have any
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  Speaker 1: evidence that you gave her money?
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  Speaker 2: Sure. I was like, yeah, it's in the statement right there.
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  Speaker 2: The statement says I gave $ 150 to cover any, uh, pet, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: vet bills pebbles had, which didn't include any bleeding. The
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  Speaker 2: dog wasn't bleeding. It didn't need an emergency vet visit.
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  Speaker 2: Just needed to go to get checked out to make
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  Speaker 2: sure everything was okay. We gave her $ 150 cash. What
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  Speaker 2: is the, what's the statement? Is that a police statement?
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  Speaker 2: This is a statement from the guy who was there.
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  Speaker 2: Cause he's not in court. Alicia's mom starts speaking. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't there. She wasn't even out there. She just
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  Speaker 2: starts speaking. She says, Cheryl was so distraught apparently about.
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  Speaker 1: Her pit bull. This is the mom. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The mom is in the courtroom. Alicia's mom. Alicia's mom
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  Speaker 2: also was also there.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So that, I mean, yeah, I don't know why she's speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl was too distraught to even come out of her house.
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  Speaker 2: The man did take money out of his pocket and
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  Speaker 2: give to my daughter, but Cheryl didn't give us anything.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And Mathis was like, so they did give you money.
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  Speaker 2: She goes, not Cheryl. Her boyfriend gave her money. Matthews goes,
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  Speaker 2: you said nothing. You did a full throat slash where
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  Speaker 2: you said nothing. That's not true. You got money.
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  Speaker 1: But your honor, it wasn't from Cheryl. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: It was on her behalf. Who cares who the money
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  Speaker 1: was from? I'm like, fine. And also, he's the one...
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  Speaker 1: responsible for the dog in that moment. That's right. Like
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  Speaker 1: you would think that that money would mean more coming
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  Speaker 1: from him.
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  Speaker 2: And then they said, your honor, it was 110, not 150.
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  Speaker 2: And she, he goes, no, no, no. You said nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I now believe her.
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  Speaker 1: It was $ 150. Uh, he.
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  Speaker 2: Goes, tell me about emotional distress. You said five 50
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  Speaker 2: for vet. Tell me about 1,000 emotional distress. She goes,
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  Speaker 2: Your Honor, we have a lot of children in our home,
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  Speaker 2: and now Pebbles, since this event, has become snippy with
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  Speaker 2: our kids, and the kids are scared.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if I'm going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to keep the dog anymore. Math is ready to roll.
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  Speaker 2: 550 vet, 1,000 emotional distress.
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  Speaker 1: This is a tough one because I am.
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  Speaker 2: Probably I would have been inclined to give them the
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  Speaker 2: entire vet bill, right? A five 50. I would probably
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  Speaker 2: throw out the emotional distress.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but.
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  Speaker 2: She basically is now on the record lying about not
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  Speaker 2: getting any money. And I think that, in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: if you're lying under oath, you don't get any money.
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  Speaker 2: That's call me crazy. Call me crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Judge brand.
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  Speaker 2: If you lie under oath about money, I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to give you more money. That's just me. But I
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  Speaker 2: could see him giving her the, uh, the remaining, what
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  Speaker 2: is that? $ 400, uh, for the, the medical bills.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: This ruling is BS, and maybe it's because I tend
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: to side on the big dog side of things.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: So you don't think that the big dog should have
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: to pay anything? No.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I had a very small
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: outside dog who was a terrier mix, and Buster got loose.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Buster was his name. Buster got loose. There was a
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: dog next door, Damien, who was a Doberman Pinscher. The
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Doberman Pinscher sees Buster, gets excited- And in playing with
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Buster who maybe weighed eight pounds, grab Buster by the
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: neck and picked Buster up and slung him around. Now I,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: as a kid, I was screaming. Like I thought that
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Damien was the worst dog ever. Now I can look
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: back and go, everyone needs to do a better job
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: of understanding animals and dogs. If you want to own
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: a dog, you need to understand what that means. Look, did, 100%,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: if Gigi gets off her leash in an apartment complex,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: she should pay for the vet bills. Here's the thing
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: that I know.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Gigi personally. Gigi personally should reach into the back. Out
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: of her own satchel. Give me. That's just for the
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: folks at home. Yeah, that's good. She has to lick
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: her paw to get those bills up. The bills are sticky.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Give me some cabbage. Doesn't use the money often. She
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: calls it cabbage. She calls it cash cabbage. Weird. It's weird.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: It's a weird thing she does. I like it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: My problem is that I don't believe that Pebbles was
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: injured in a way that needed an emergency vet visit.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I think that this was a....
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Like, if there was bleeding... Here's what I know.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: If your dog's attacked and there's bleeding, you're going to
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: pay $ 1, 000.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Because what happens is they have to check... vitals. They
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: have to hold overnight to see if there's internal bleeding.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: And then they have to do a bunch of other
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: tests to see if this dog's got any sort of diseases.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: There's no way if your.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Three pound dog is bleeding in their side, they have
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: to check to see if there's bleeding going on internally,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: which takes imaging. You're just not getting out of there
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: for under a thousand dollars. And so I have a
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: problem believing that should they pay the vet bills? Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: But when you take money, when you take cash, there
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: is an agreement that you've paid your debt. In my opinion,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: like we're good here, right? The dog's clearly fine. The
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: dog's not on her, on their deathbed. The dog is
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: living a great life. So Mathis doesn't, Then, Mathis gives $ 400.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: For the vet bill, so he does what you said,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: and then gives $ 600 for emotional distress for $ 1, 000 total.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: How do you get to that number? I don't know
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: how he got to that number.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: But then he gives a speech about how we shouldn't
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: own pit bulls because they're bred to attack, and they
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: can be fine with kids one minute and then attack
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: them the next minute. That's what they're bred to do. Sir?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: You're wrong. You're just wrong. And you should do a
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: little bit of reading and research. How dare you?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: That's great. There you go. There's Mathis.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: So can I go back to something you just said, though?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Because now I want to hear if you hold fast
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to this. If something happens and you, in that moment,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: hand somebody money. Yeah. You think that that's it? I
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: think if they take the money and say, okay, we're good,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that's it. So, like, it's one thing.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. I don't think you can. But, like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: people do this all the time when they get in
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: car accidents. Sure. They go, listen, I don't want to
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: get the insurance involved.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Would you take 500?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Yes. Would you take 1,000? That is, your dog's your property.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: As much as we love to think that they're family,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I know that's big for us. Dogs sleep in my bed.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: They pretty much run the roost at my house. The roost?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: The roost.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: They run the roost. The whole roost? The whole roost.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Dogs are pack animals. They need to know their place
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: in order in your family and your world. But at
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: some point, they are property. They don't have a social
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: security number, right? So, I know, if you can believe it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't get my dog's social security number, if you
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: can believe it. So, at some point, if you go, oh,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: my God, I'm really sorry about this. Like, do you,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: would you take. Yeah.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: But you're also putting that person in a weird spot, right?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: If they're like, Hey, I'm actually going to hold off
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: on this and I'm going to see how much it
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: is at the vet. Like that's a lot of forward
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: thinking for that person in that moment. I don't know
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: if that's my point is if this was an emergency,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the vet bill is bigger. That's my issue, is that
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: if this was an emergency, you're not getting out for 550.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: There's just no way. Yeah, and I'm assuming that the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: bill wasn't itemized. She sent the bill up to the front.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: She said she did, but that could have been one
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: page that just said you owe 550.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting. It could have been an annual checkup. Literally
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: could have been anything.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: She could have gone for an annual, gotten all of
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: her vaccines, gotten heartworm pills, and just turned into 550.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Shall we head over to Judge Ross? Let's do it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Boss Ross.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Where a woman is going to sue another woman for
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: less money than this situation.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: For getting struck by lava. For getting struck by lava. Okay.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Rachel Silverson is suing Tammy Hidalgo for $ 563.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. $ 563.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's cheap these days. Which is her deductible that
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: she had to pay. Interesting deductible, $ 563. It's very specific.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Rachel has been to Hawaii twice.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Humble brag. But has never been to the Big Islands.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And so she wanted to go to one of the
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Big Islands because on the Big Islands, they offer.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Lava tours. Yeah, they do. Lava tours. You mean volcano tours?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Call them lava tours here.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I think because they go out onto a boat and
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: they go and they get close to a volcano that
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: is spewing lava.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: An active volcano. An active volcano. Yes, got you.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You could call it a volcano tour. You could call
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: it a lava tour. They call it lava tour.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Apparently it's a thing that I didn't know about, but
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: it's kind of intriguing to me. You go out really early.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: You go out while it's still dark, so the lava
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: really pops. That color of the lava really pops, right?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: So Tammy was driving the boat. She owns the company, remember?
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Tammy Hidalgo.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: And while Mr. King, Doug King, is giving the tour,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and Doug right away... you can tell Doug is a
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: tour guide.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: He's a talker. He's very animated. It's a lot.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So Doug says that Rachel's a wonderful person, but she's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a handful.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Of course. And he knows that for the little bit
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of time that they spend together. She's been to Hawaii twice.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Occasionally, someone will stick their head out of the boat
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: to get a little closer, but will listen when we
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: say to get back in.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: She did not.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: As we approach the lava, Rachel was like a little
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: monk climbing over people, trying to get a better look.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Rachel speaks up and says, I am not a monkey.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a woman.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And you need to know that. Yeah. So there you go.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: She says that she did reach her hands over the
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: side of the boat to get a picture. But a
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: lot of other people were doing that as well. And
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: that's not where the issue takes place.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: So she says that Doug says over the intercom, you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: lava's doing her thing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: It's, you know, busting out. It's busting out. Belching is
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: what she says. Yes. And Doug says.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Over the intercom, we are, we're not supposed to get closer,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: but for you, we're going to do it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Doug says, listen, I said that every tour to make
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: guests feel special. The reality is personal injury court case.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It does, but it's too little amount. Yeah. The reality
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: is the Coast Guard.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: $ 563, 000. Million dollars. That's right. The Coast Guard requires us
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to stay 300 yards away from the volcano. We stay
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: 500 yards away. Wow.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Because safety is our number one priority. Of course.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: As they begin to get closer, Rachel sees a flaming
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: ball of lava coming towards them in slow motion. Right?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And it comes over the edge of the boat into
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the boat and lands on her leg.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And she kept her leg. She kept her leg. Okay.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Um, we'd see, uh, that actually we don't see the pictures.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Judge Ross sees the pictures and says, Wolf, like this
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: is some serious stuff. Um, So Doug runs at her,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: hits the ball of lava off with some sort of stick,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: a rod, a fishing pole, not sure, to send it
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: back over the boat. And she says that her leg
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: immediately began to blister all over.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Of course. Right?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so Doug sees that she's injured, runs over,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: does the whole thing, and makes sure that she is
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: trying to check on her the best that he can
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: in that moment. She is suing for the deductible of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the hospital bill, which she has.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Proof of, of course.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: That's very kind of her to only sue for $ 563. Sure.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Tammy says everybody who comes to a Lava Tour with
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: us has to sign a release form, which she has.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Standard waiver stuff. Can't sue us. Blah, blah, blah. You
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: know the deal with the waivers. Liability. Got it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: So she says, I did sign that, but I believe
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that they acted with negligence getting too close to the volcano,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: which would void the waiver, which, according to the waiver, it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Would not, by the way.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: The waiver is basically like, even with negligence, you can't sue.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Ross says, can you prove that they got closer than
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the 500 yards that they claimed that they were, which
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: is 200 yards further than the Coast Guard requires? She says, no,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I can't. But he said out loud, we're getting closer
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: than we should be. And they didn't require us to
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: wear any protective gear. If lava flying into the boat
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: is even a possibility, I shouldn't have been wearing shorts.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: They didn't say anything about it. That's exactly right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Basically, her whole thing here is they didn't do enough
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: to protect us from the potential of lava flying into
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the boat. And Doug is over there making a big
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: deal about the fact that she was hanging outside of
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the boat, but Obviously, her feet weren't outside of the boat.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So that's the case.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Okay. Judge Ross is ready to rule. So this would
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: be a great personal injury court decision. because I feel
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: like judge Gina would take the one thing dude said,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: which was we're getting you closer. And he'd give her
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: a bunch of money. Like he'd give her like thousands
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of tens of thousands of dollars. Uh, the contract says
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you can't sue him. Judge Ross knows the law. You
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: cannot get this money, even though I think she's being
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: relatively reasonable with just the deductible. And it probably would
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: be the right thing for this company to pay it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Judge Ross is going to say no money. Judge Ross
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: is going to say no money. Judge Ross says you
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: have to prove the burden of proof is.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Up to you here. Not 50-50. No, no, no.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: You have to prove that they were negligent in how
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: they handled their tour.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You did not do that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: You could have maybe brought someone else in that was injured,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: showing that it wasn't a freak accident, that this happens
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: on a regular basis.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: You didn't do that. And so, unfortunately... The gavel has
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to fall in favor of the defendant. Yeah. And that
• 27:20
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• 27:22
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