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9-24-26 Hour 2 - Bo Nix hasn't done THIS yet/Biz isn't bullish on the Avs/Oh, By the Way... · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Yeah, two different games really. And so the other one
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  Speaker 2: can't get in our rearview mirror quick enough. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's still kind of there, but the horizon's
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  Speaker 2: going to dissipate. Um, I think what, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: matters most is that second half and he played really
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  Speaker 2: good in the second half. So this will be, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: different opponent and yet, uh, obviously a real good opponent.
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  Speaker 3: Sean Payton evaluating the first two weeks of Bo Nix's play. Um,
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  Speaker 3: so yesterday was talking about, I heard Columbus discussing this
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  Speaker 3: earlier in the week. Um, The evaluation that you're making
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  Speaker 3: of the Broncos, and I guess more specifically Bo Nix,
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  Speaker 3: is he said Bo Nix has something that is undeniable,
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  Speaker 3: that is a great quality that has been established throughout
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  Speaker 3: his short career so far, which is when the game
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  Speaker 3: is close late, Bo Nix is at his best. He
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  Speaker 3: plays as well as I think anybody in the NFL
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  Speaker 3: in crunch time, clutch situations. And that's a hell of
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  Speaker 3: a quality for a quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: How many guys have we seen... Over the years. They're
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  Speaker 4: trying to come back. And they're driving the team down
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  Speaker 4: the field. And they throw that pick.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right. And the game's over.
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  Speaker 5: That kind of thing. Right.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't make those kind of mistakes. When it matters
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  Speaker 4: the most.
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  Speaker 6: But.
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  Speaker 4: Typically.
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  Speaker 3: He said. There is one thing he hasn't done yet.
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  Speaker 3: He has not proven that he can win when his
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  Speaker 3: defense doesn't play great. And that is I think also true.
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  Speaker 3: And so. There's a few things that I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: look at here.
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  Speaker 7: Number one.
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  Speaker 3: Is I wanted to see what the record of the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos are when this happens. Since Bo Nix became the
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  Speaker 3: starter in 2024, they have played in 16 games in
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  Speaker 3: which the Broncos have given up 20 or more points.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think the record is in those 16 games?
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  Speaker 4: Ooh, mama.
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  Speaker 5: This is over what period of time?
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  Speaker 3: 16 games. 5-11? This is since Bo Nix has become
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  Speaker 3: the starter.
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  Speaker 4: 5-11, 6-10?
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  Speaker 5: I will say 4-12.
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  Speaker 3: They're 6-10, which isn't great, but not as bad as
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  Speaker 3: I actually thought it was going to be. But let
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  Speaker 3: me give you the wins, the six wins in which
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  Speaker 3: they have beaten a team that has scored 20 points
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  Speaker 3: or more.
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  Speaker 4: Do it.
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  Speaker 5: Buffalo.
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  Speaker 3: Since 2024. Well, I'll just kind of go in order here.
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  Speaker 3: The first one they did was his rookie season. The
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  Speaker 3: only win that they did that was the 41-32 win
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  Speaker 3: over the Cleveland Browns. But if you remember, two pick
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  Speaker 3: sixes in that game.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: 14 points of the 41 were because of your defense.
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  Speaker 3: And that was the game that Jameis Winston threw for
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  Speaker 3: like 500 yards.
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  Speaker 5: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: Three turnovers.
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  Speaker 4: And he said the famous line.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Nelly.
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  Speaker 4: He's fine. I'm just praying for the Lord to deliver
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  Speaker 4: me from pick sixes.
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  Speaker 3: That's where that came from.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So then going to last year, the 33 to 32
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  Speaker 3: win over the New York Giants, where they put up
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  Speaker 3: 33 points in the fourth quarter to win that game.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Which, which is. statistically an impossibility but it happened they.
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  Speaker 3: Beat the cowboys 44 to 24 but the cowboys scored
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  Speaker 3: a touchdown with two minutes left when you were up
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  Speaker 3: 27 points because you didn't care anymore right so if
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  Speaker 3: you want to count that sure i wouldn't the next
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  Speaker 3: game is the 27 26 game against the washington commanders
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  Speaker 3: that you won in overtime the commanders only had 20
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  Speaker 3: points going into ot um The big one, I think
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  Speaker 3: the best example is the 34-26 win over the Packers
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  Speaker 3: in the regular season last year. That was one where
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  Speaker 3: your offense had to play well because the Packers were
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  Speaker 3: rolling an offense, and you did. And then finally what
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  Speaker 3: you said, Vic, in the playoff game against the Bills, 33-30, but.
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  Speaker 3: Five turnovers in that game, despite giving up points. What
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying is even in like, I would say five
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  Speaker 3: of the six wins you've had in team scoring 20
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  Speaker 3: points or more, there's been some weird stuff in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of it.
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  Speaker 5: In a roundabout way. What you're saying is this team
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  Speaker 5: is still carried by its defense.
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  Speaker 6: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, very clearly, very clearly carried by the defense.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, all right. So last Saturday, who won the
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  Speaker 5: game offense or defense?
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  Speaker 3: The defense did.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And as much as we're happy to see the
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  Speaker 5: offense emerge in the second half, last Saturday, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 5: last Sunday, As happy as we are to see.
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  Speaker 4: It was actually Monday.
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  Speaker 5: Was it Monday? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Specifics, Vic.
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  Speaker 4: Monday Night Football specifics.
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  Speaker 5: How about the Jacksonville game? Oh, Sunday, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, who's dumb now?
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  Speaker 3: Specifics!
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  Speaker 7: Today?
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  Speaker 5: So, that game, as much as we're happy to see
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  Speaker 5: the offense emerge, again, it was a defensive win. You're
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  Speaker 5: exactly right, which is why I say, and I continue
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  Speaker 5: to say this, for once... Let me see the offense
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  Speaker 5: carry the day.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they may have to this week. They may have
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  Speaker 4: to because the Rams, Puka Nakua did not practice yesterday
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  Speaker 4: at all. The Rams say that this is a minor thing.
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  Speaker 4: They're being incredibly cautious with him. He's dealing with some
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  Speaker 4: soreness in his groin. Who isn't? But we'll see. That
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  Speaker 4: being said, they're still incredibly powerful and potent on offense,
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  Speaker 4: even without Puka Nakua. And my question to you, look,
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  Speaker 4: I don't get into these quarterback rankings. Some guy says
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  Speaker 4: this guy belongs here, this guy belongs there. But I
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  Speaker 4: do care about what people think about Bo Nix and
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  Speaker 4: what they see, comparatively speaking to what I see.
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  Speaker 5: Why do you care what people think?
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  Speaker 4: Because I'm curious to see what they see and what
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  Speaker 4: they think are his strengths and weaknesses and so on
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  Speaker 4: and so forth.
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  Speaker 5: I don't care what people think. I care about the results.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm going to ask you this, though, and this
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  Speaker 5: is what the Broncos still lack, and I'm not saying
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  Speaker 5: you have to possess this specific trait. Go back and
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  Speaker 5: look at the Seattle football from a year ago, Super
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  Speaker 5: Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks. How many high-scoring affairs did they
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  Speaker 5: have where the offense had to really level up and
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  Speaker 5: go into great? Go to great lengths to win the game.
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  Speaker 5: Just give me a few off the top of your head, please.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the three games against the Rams, dude, it was.
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  Speaker 5: I know. Those were pretty back and forth tough. As
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  Speaker 5: you look for that, Brett, I take you back, Mosier.
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  Speaker 5: One thing that we don't see much of with this team,
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  Speaker 5: not that you have to have this, but it's just
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  Speaker 5: damn fun. We went to one of the greatest offensive
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  Speaker 5: explosion games in the history of football, you and I.
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  Speaker 4: We did.
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  Speaker 5: We attended it in person. Yep. Can you tell people...
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  Speaker 5: The score of that game? Do you remember the score
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  Speaker 5: of that game?
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  Speaker 4: Was it 51-48? Something like this.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was.
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  Speaker 4: 54-51 or something.
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  Speaker 5: No, 54-51.
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  Speaker 4: It was insane.
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  Speaker 5: It was Rams and Chiefs.
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  Speaker 3: So your question, Vic, was how many high-scoring affairs?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just curious. How many games did Darnold and
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  Speaker 5: the Seattle offense have to win for them because the
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  Speaker 5: defense couldn't keep pace?
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  Speaker 3: I'll just give you a couple. They give up some
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  Speaker 3: big points. I don't know. Are we going off of
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  Speaker 3: 20 points? since that was a thing. They won 23
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  Speaker 3: to 20 over Arizona last year. They lost 38, 35
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  Speaker 3: to Tampa, 27, 19 to Houston, 44, 22 to Arizona, 30, 24, Tennessee, 38,
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  Speaker 3: 37 to the Rams late in the year. That was
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  Speaker 3: a big one. That was a great game. 31, 27
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  Speaker 3: to the Rams in the conference championship.
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  Speaker 4: Yep. You hit two Rams games.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why I go back to this Sunday night.
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  Speaker 5: If you don't score at least 24 points, you're going
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  Speaker 5: to get the L. You got to score at least
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  Speaker 5: 24 to beat the Rams.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Here we go. Offense. Unite. Offense. Energize.
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  Speaker 3: But the way that you need to do that against
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  Speaker 3: them is by doing it early. If they try and
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  Speaker 3: do the late game comeback thing against the Rams, I
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  Speaker 3: think they'll be too far in a hole if they
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  Speaker 3: do it the way that they did last week.
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  Speaker 4: That's because the defense didn't allow Jacksonville to get away, right?
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  Speaker 4: And this, I guess, is where it goes hand in hand.
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  Speaker 4: Things got away from them against Kansas City because Kansas
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  Speaker 4: City is home and so on. But the defense did
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  Speaker 4: not allow the Jags to get away, which allowed the
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  Speaker 4: offense then to score 17 unanswered and then win the game.
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  Speaker 4: But I see what you're saying, Vic. I think the
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  Speaker 4: threat is if you don't get something cooking early, It's
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  Speaker 4: going to be harder for the defense to not let
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  Speaker 4: things get away against the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: Well, how many consecutive stops can you get against a
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  Speaker 3: Rams offense without them scoring?
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  Speaker 4: That is right. That's a tough task. Yeah, that is right.
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  Speaker 5: You know, again, and I'm being glib here. Here's a
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  Speaker 5: neat idea. How about your opening series? You don't go
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  Speaker 5: three and out.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That would help.
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  Speaker 5: That'd be awesome.
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  Speaker 3: That would help.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I don't want to. Again, I asked Chad Brown that.
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  Speaker 5: I asked Chad Brown. We live, you know, we're in
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  Speaker 5: that age again where you script your plays. You have
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  Speaker 5: a cheat sheet. How do you not achieve a first down?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what's funny? I made note of this.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't talked about it. What did the Broncos do
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  Speaker 3: to start the game? They went out, coin toss.
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  Speaker 5: And they tried to establish the run.
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  Speaker 3: They won the coin toss. And most teams say, we'll
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  Speaker 3: defer to the second half. That's what every team does.
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  Speaker 3: The Broncos took the ball. And I think part of
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  Speaker 3: that was a statement like, we're going to go out
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  Speaker 3: and play good offense. And they got no yards on
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  Speaker 3: the opening drive.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and they did everything that we wanted them to do,
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  Speaker 5: to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, establish the run. It almost started with an interception.
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  Speaker 3: Remember Travis Hunter was this close to making that dive
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  Speaker 3: and pick on third down.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. He read that play. Well, well, I, why do I,
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  Speaker 4: I just feel pessimistic, man. It's not, I don't, I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to feel pessimistic because this game is basically
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  Speaker 4: a pick them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not pessimistic about their chances to win this weekend,
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  Speaker 3: but but I will be if the offense looks the
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  Speaker 3: way that it did to start the game. And, Vic,
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  Speaker 3: you've been saying this for the first two weeks of
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  Speaker 3: the season, and now we're going on week three, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it's totally appropriate to say it again. The
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  Speaker 3: offense needs to win you a football game. Like, when
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  Speaker 3: has this happened? Answer this question. When's the last time
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  Speaker 3: the offense played so well to start a game that
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  Speaker 3: the defense was the one that could chill a little bit?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that was the M.O. of the Broncos teams that
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  Speaker 4: won their first Super Bowls, is that Shanahan's first scripted plays, Vic,
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  Speaker 4: and you know this as well as anybody, were brilliant.
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  Speaker 4: And they would always get themselves a double-digit lead, 10-0, 14-3,
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  Speaker 4: you know, something like that. And then the defense was
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  Speaker 4: allowed to pin its ears back. Now, it wasn't a
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  Speaker 4: super elite defense, but it was very good. But they
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  Speaker 4: could get creative, and they could get bombastic, and they
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  Speaker 4: could just go for it, man, and they would wreck teams.
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  Speaker 4: And then it helped, of course, later in the game,
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  Speaker 4: Terrell Davis would wear you down because he'd just run
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  Speaker 4: into your face and knock you over and keep going.
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  Speaker 4: And so that was their formula. This formula is hang
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  Speaker 4: on until the offense finally gets into gear. Hang on
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  Speaker 4: the best you can. And that's asking a lot from
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  Speaker 4: a D, game after game and year after year.
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  Speaker 5: 9036 texts in with this, quote, Very tiresome to hear
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  Speaker 5: you all try to find something wrong with Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 5: Good teams have good defenses. What a novel idea. Let
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  Speaker 5: me react. This is not about trying to find something
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  Speaker 5: wrong with Bo. This is simply an observation that the
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  Speaker 5: defense carries the team. And it's carried the team for
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  Speaker 5: the last two years. And what I don't like is
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  Speaker 5: when they lose a game like they did in Kansas City,
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  Speaker 5: granted the defense didn't tackle, the blame automatically goes to
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  Speaker 5: the defense itself. It's true. How about the blame starts
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  Speaker 5: with the offense? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll go back to where we started this morning.
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  Speaker 3: I made the comparison, the Broncos offense, and more specifically
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  Speaker 3: Bo Nix, is like, to me, the Avs power play
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  Speaker 3: from last year. The Avs are the best team in
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  Speaker 3: the league. And you could point to the results and say,
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  Speaker 3: what are you worried about? Why does this bother you
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  Speaker 3: so much? They're winning. And you go, well, that matters, though.
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  Speaker 3: That needs to be corrected. And at the beginning of games,
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  Speaker 3: having three and outs and lack of offense and putting
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  Speaker 3: so much pressure on your defense, it's something that will
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  Speaker 3: burn you eventually. At some point, you will get to
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  Speaker 3: a game like this against the Rams where it's like
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  Speaker 3: slow start. We're down 21 to nothing at half. See, Vic,
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  Speaker 3: that's such a good point.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, it's 10-3 at halftime against the Jags, okay? 10-3.
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  Speaker 4: The defense kept them in check enough to allow you
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  Speaker 4: to come back. My biggest fear is if you don't
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  Speaker 4: get off to a good start offensively, That's what it's
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  Speaker 4: going to be. It's going to be 17-3 or it's
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  Speaker 4: going to be 21-7. It's going to be something where
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  Speaker 4: you're going to have a two-touchdown comeback is going to
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  Speaker 4: have to be in the cards in the second half
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  Speaker 4: and you're going to have to shut the dang Rams down.
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  Speaker 3: On the flip side, Moj, it would be the equivalent
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  Speaker 3: to me of this. The Avs go out, they're up
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  Speaker 3: 2-1 in the third period. They give up two goals
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  Speaker 3: and now they lose 3-2. And it's like, well, why
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  Speaker 3: didn't goaltending do better? And I would point to, well,
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  Speaker 3: why were they 0 for 5 on the power play?
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  Speaker 3: They could have put the game away. They didn't. Like,
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  Speaker 3: if you do that, then you don't have to worry
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  Speaker 3: about goaltending the third period or whatever. Like, to Vic's point, we,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm as guilty as anybody, looked at tackling in
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  Speaker 3: that first game against the Chiefs and were like, dude,
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  Speaker 3: they can't tackle.
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  Speaker 5: Well, because there's such an anomaly. Yeah, what's wrong with
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  Speaker 5: the defense? Defense has got.
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  Speaker 4: To play better.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the offense didn't score.
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  Speaker 5: See, the defense just bouncing off carriers, that was an anomaly.
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  Speaker 5: But the offense being slow and methodical, that was not.
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  Speaker 5: We've seen that before. Yeah. And that's what's not right here.
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  Speaker 5: I'll answer the question very easily. Do you think Sean
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  Speaker 5: Payton this week is worried about his offense starting slow?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And that's all you need to know.
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  Speaker 3: of the Avs, biz is not high on your boys, Moj.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to it next. Hog time, roll them over
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Moe, you're right. I actually talked to a woman
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: about this who, she was in the, what do they
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: call it? It's like the ticket queue thing. where you're
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: trying to be first to get tickets for something.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I guess it's a TV series is what it is.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: But I guess they have different theme nights where there's giveaways.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Some of them are like avalanche sweaters that have something
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: on it. But yeah, it's like books or something like that.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Vic, you ever heard of Fourth Wing? You ever heard
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: of that? It's kind of for chicks, dragons, and that
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: kind of thing. You ever heard of that?
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: Chicks and dragons? There's a show. There's a show for that. Okay.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Okay. And Moj, the author of that series. There's a
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: lot of nudity in that show.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: Well, the author of that series, the fourth wing, she
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: lives in Denver.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: Rebecca Yarrow. So she's a big Colorado sports fan. So
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: that's why they've teamed up with her.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: She was at the game. We had a fourth wing
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: night last year and it was wildly popular.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: No, I had no idea what it was. I mean,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: super popular. This woman was telling me, though, about this
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: is such a popular thing and people adore this. I
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, good for you. By the way, I'm
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: going to say this once and once only.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Brett doesn't read, so....
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: I do read. I don't read.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Books.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: No, like fiction.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I read non-fiction books. Not in particular about what I read.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: What's the last book you've read?
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: It was something... I can't remember the title of it,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: but it was about media bias and left-right stupid stuff
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: and how it's affecting our brains and yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: I know a certain magazine you read just for the articles.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say this once and once only. It's
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: not Nas like the rapper Nas. It's Nas like Nazem
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Kadri with a Z. Nas.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: So anyway.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody's misspelling. It's N-A-Z.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Does that help? Okay. Figure it out.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Moj Biz was on the Spittin' Chicklets podcast. We were
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: talking about the avalanche.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Yep. Saw it.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Heard it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Ring it up.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I love these guys. I think they're hysterical. But Biz
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: had a thought on the Avs. Now, this is long,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: so we're going to split it into two parts, but
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: here you go.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: I don't think they're nearly as good as last regular season.
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: And if anything, I kind of want to poke the
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: bear a little bit here. You look at what they
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: have listed on the second line. Like, Kadri did not
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: look like the Kadri we saw when they won the
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: Stanley Cup when they brought him back. I would hope
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: that he had a good offseason and is coming in
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: fully healthy and ready to go.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Brock Nelson.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: Struggled in playoffs. I think he's left a lot more
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: to be desired since coming over. Like, I believe in him.
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: You know, he helped him win the gold medal for
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: Team USA. I think he's an incredible player. Just would
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: like to see a little bit more. And then on
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: that line, they have right now Landiskog, and he's no
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: spring chicken either. Like, this team's getting a little bit
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: old up front. And even on the back end to
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: some degree, like, they got Burnsy back there. Like, he's
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: played 1,800 games.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: So, that's the first part of this. I'm going to
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: play the second part in a second, but I'm going
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: to say... I'll say this, Moshe. I don't think he's
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: wrong in any of these assessments. I think we all
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: see it, too. Like, this team is getting older. They are.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Their core is getting older. And I think that they
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: all recognize it, too. And it's part of the reason
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: why last year and the way that it ended was
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: so disappointing because you're like, gosh, it felt like that
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: was your best shot. Not to say that it's over
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: or anything like that, but that was a really good
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: opportunity that you let slip through your fingers.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Why do people get worked up on stuff like this
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: as if it's insulting or offensive?
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Big deal.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: We'll go to the second part of this.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: Listen.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I like that Schwartz move.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: I think he's a bit of a honey badger and
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: he brings that like Leckanen type mentality, cup experience.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: He'll play physical.
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: I think that there's still some question marks on this
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: bottom six. I think we all know what we're going
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: to get from that top line and how they're going
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: to be zipping up and down the ice and 100
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: points here, 100 points there. Obviously, like the goaltending tandem,
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: I think the back end with that top pairing solid,
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: I'm less impressed with this group up front than I
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: was to begin the season last year. And I wouldn't
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: be shocked if they're like middle of the pack in
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: the central. Like I could see them getting the second
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: or even third spot in the division. Because I look
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: at this roster right now and I don't see a
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: Stanley Cup winning team.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: I agree with you.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: I think they were better last year and that was
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: their chance.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Great. Now, prove him wrong. Big deal. So what? He's
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: paid to speak his mind. He's paid to think who's
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: going to win it. Last year, he thought the Avs
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: were the best team in hockey. He thought the Avs
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: were going to win it.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: They lost.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: This year, he doesn't think so. Prove him wrong. Big deal.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: The end.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I don't understand what you're doing here.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I guess what I'm doing is people get so bent
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: out of shape out of national shows predicting who they
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: think is going to win. I think it's great. I
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: think it's a good edge to have. I think teams
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: perform best when they have to prove people wrong.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: The reason I'm playing stuff like this is that.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: No, I don't mind you playing it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, their perspective, and I'll say this,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's wrong in a lot of things,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: and I'll tell you why. Because I mentioned this earlier,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and I do think this is the truth. I don't
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: know this, but this is what I think is the truth.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I think that a big reason why Joe Sackick has not,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: they are not actively looking for a GM right now,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: and he's just said, I'm going to take this role
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: for the foreseeable future, whatever that is, is because he
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: kind of knows they're getting up against a point where
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: it's the same thing when you have Jokic. You're always
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: going to be in the mix. You're always going to
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: be a playoff team. You're always going to have a
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: championship shot because you have, in the Avs' case, McKinnon
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: and McCarr. You're always going to be there. But there
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: was a limit with the Jokic teams when they won
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: a title for how long that team was going to win.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: The Nuggets now look almost like they're really different than
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: what they were just three years ago. And I think
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the Avs are hitting almost that point to where, yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: you're going to have your core group of Jokic, or
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, of McKinnon and McCarr, But in a couple years,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: it's probably going to look a lot different than it
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: does right now.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Well, I can go back, Vic, from 1996 to 2001
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: with the Colorado Avalanche team. And your core was still there. Sackick, Forsberg, Foote, Waugh, right?
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: These future Hall of Famer-type players, number-retired type of players.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: The team that won in 2021, or excuse me, 2001...
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: That team on the periphery outside of the guys I
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: just mentioned was very different. You added a Rob Blake. Obviously,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Raymond Bort came over and so on. Dead Marsh was gone.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, there are a lot of guys
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: on the 96 team that did not win in 2001
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: with this Avalanche squad. It looked a lot different. Yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: And you can see, let's go back to 22 and
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: then look at where we are right now here. Yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: you got your core guys, but now it looks a
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: lot different, too, around those guys. Some guys are still there.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, biggins are still there. You get what I'm saying?
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: But losing Val, that's a big piece. Yeah, but let's...
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Can we really talk about this now? Okay, they're not
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: as good as they were. What I don't want to do,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: and I love.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: On paper.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: I like Val Nachushkin an awful lot.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: You know that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: But the Val Nachushkin that we saw the last couple
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: of years, is he the same guy that we saw?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: No, that's true.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, so what I'm saying to you is that his impact,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: when he is on, really on, his impact for this
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: team was significant. Problem is, he wasn't always on, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: he wasn't always healthy.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: So maybe we're overplaying his impact a little bit. The
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: impact of Ross Colton, the impact of Jack Drury, two
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: guys that are also gone. Drury had a good impact.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. A pretty good impact.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: For a bottom six guy?
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Are we just rewriting history here? I mean, I don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: understand what the big deal is.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: There is no big deal. Let me get to the
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: bottom line. This hockey team is very good. Yeah. So
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: if Biz thinks they're worse going into this year than
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: they were going into last year, what does bother me,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: middle of the pack into central, my ass.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: We said second or third.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Well, he's talking about the playoffs end. Well, you want
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: to avoid that because that first round matchups are pain
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: in the tail, obviously, but this is a very good
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: hockey club. Yeah. Landis Goggs, no spring chicken. Yeah. Nas
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: is no spring. I mean, but they're still good. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: this team is still put together good enough to be
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: able to win.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: We all know that motion. All I'm saying is it's, it's,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: I think the overall effect of somebody on a national level,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: pushing your button, saying you're not that good anymore. I
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: think that's great. I think it's great. I think what
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: biz is saying, can only help. I'm not sure that
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: the ads are that good when they come from the
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: favorite position. I think they're better when they're doubted. Let's
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: go big deal.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Oh no.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Biz doesn't think we're going to win. Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not, I'm not super bent out of shape about it. Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: It doesn't, I saw it. Brett and I just go, okay, whatever.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: They're still one of the best teams in the national
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: hockey league. Nothing is going to change my mind in
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: that regard.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Nothing.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Again, the reason why I play things like that from
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Biz is not because I am bent out of shape
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: about what he said. I'm looking at a perspective of
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: he doesn't think that this team is a cup contending team.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And I'm trying to figure out, well, what are the
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: reasons for it? And should I take off some Homer
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: glasses that maybe I have and reevaluate some things? And
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: when I look at it, I still think that the
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Avs are Very much a cup contending team. But I
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: think it's totally fair to say that on paper, this
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: team is not as good as they were last year.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: I think at the core of what Biz is saying
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: is the team has gotten older. Are they not among
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: the oldest teams in the league?
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. If not the.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: And that's his argument. And he thinks that the age
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: of the team will eventually catch up to him. And
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: now it's up to the Avs to prove him wrong.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: This is 2026. If you're talking about 2030 or 2031,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I think the answer is yes. You're right. You're right.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: But the window is still open. And this is a very,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: very good hockey club. I don't know what else to say. It's,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: it's a fact and business opinion or Merle's opinion or,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: or what's opinion. None of those opinions are going to
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: take me off of that platform. None.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: I think, I think we've learned in sports, you have
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: room for error. And if you get hot at the
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: right time, you can prove everybody wrong.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: The Knicks. I go back to the NBA model. Um,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: How many people in April had the Knicks winning an
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: NBA championship?
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: How many?
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: Hell, I read a lot of those pre-playoff predictions. A
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: lot of them had the Nuggets.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Very few, if any.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: A lot of them. Remember how many of those predictions
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: had the Nuggets and the Celtics meeting in the finals?
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: They both got bounced in the first round.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: That's what's weird. When I saw those, even I thought
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I was like, mm-hmm.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. That's the beauty of this stuff, though. That's why
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: we watch sports. I mean, again, you can doubt whoever
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: you want. And doubt is part of sport. It sometimes
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: drives you. So use it as a driver.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I will say one thing for sure that I agree
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: with in his assessment of this thing.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: I am.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the right word is for this.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Not nervous. But I am, like, angsty. Because I see...
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the ages of these guys. And Moj, I agree with you.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: They're still good players. But at some point, that's going
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to switch. And I don't know when that is, what
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: age that comes. Especially for a guy like Landy that
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: has spent so much of his time just rehabbing. And
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I thought he looked great last year. But now that he's,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: is he 34?
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's right there.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: 33-34.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know when that shift from I still got
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: it to I'm a now aging player that maybe has
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: lost a step when that happens. It kind of feels
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: like that was a little bit of Nas last year.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: He's 33. He'll turn 34 around Thanksgiving.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Because I think you'd agree, Moj. Nas looked like he
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: lost a step. I mean, he's 36, right? You could
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: see it. It's just how much of that game... that's
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: still valuable is left. And so you're starting to count
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: down like, okay, how much more of this do I
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: got before you really got to shift some things?
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: No, I completely agree with you. It's just not this second.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: It's just not today. I would agree.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Now, if you're talking about 2028, okay. And which is
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: why it's so important. You're going to have to have
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: some of these kids come through.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: T.J.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Hughes or Beckett Hamilton are these guys that showed out
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: pretty well in training camp. They sent Hamilton, by the way,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: back to Red Deer. He's only 18 years of age. But,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, some of these guys are going to have
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: to be developed and they're going to have to be
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: able to slide into the lineup in the coming years.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: And Taylor McCarty, these kind of guys who are really
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: chomping at the bit to get a spot. It's just
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: there's no room at the end right now.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: One thing real quick before we hit a break on
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: the subject of hockey. What are we, five days away
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: from the opener? Not for the Avs, but for the NHL,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: is it five?
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Something like that, yeah. No.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Four or five, something like that.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Something like that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Is it weird to you that Larkin and Hellebuck have
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: not been moved?
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Is it weird?
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Weird.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: For two guys that very clearly stated, I don't want
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: to be here and are pretty good players.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Like, you know what I did last night? Last night
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: we had our fantasy hockey draft.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: I drafted goaltender.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Connor Hellebuck.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Connor Hellebuck.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: But is it weird?
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Why would I do that? Because this camp, I can
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: manage until he gets moved. And when he gets moved,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: he's going to be playing his butt off for somebody.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: I do think it's kind of weird, but you know what?
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: It reminds me of the Matt Duchesne situation where Joe
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Sackick's like, yeah, okay, I'll trade you. I'm going to
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: do my deal. So report to camp or, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: don't whatever, but you're suspended. Yeah, but I'm going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: do my deal.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Reminder to you guys, the keyword for this hour, a
• 30:25
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• 30:28
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  Speaker 4: 38. So....
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  Speaker 3: You can hear that tonight as you watch, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: who would be screaming in that fashion for the Packers
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: and the Falcons. But, hey, quickly, Vic, I think I
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: asked you this yesterday in NFL True-False. Do you think
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Atlanta looks any different with Pennix tonight?
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they're that good. I mean, they
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: may have some big plays, but at the end of
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: the day, I don't think they're that good of a
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  Speaker 5: football team.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you this much. If Green Bay struggles again tonight,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Green Bay should officially be panicking.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: I'm struggling to understand why the Atlanta Falcons would think
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: that going into the Cleveland coaching barrel would suddenly save them.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Think about that for a second.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: I know what will solve this. Let's go get a
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  Speaker 5: coach from Cleveland.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski. So anyway, DMACC will be at number 38
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  Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, stories around sports in the world
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  Speaker 3: we feel like you should be aware of. Here's one,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: and I haven't talked about him yet on the show,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: and I need to. There is a guy in college
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: football right now that might be as fun as anybody
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: in the country. And Trinidad Chambliss is obviously one of
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: those names for me. Have you guys watched Kamario Taylor
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  Speaker 3: out of Mississippi State at all this year? He is unbelievable.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: So he's already at over 1,000 total yards on the season.
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  Speaker 5: His name is Camario?
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Camario.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: So they took the name Mario, added a Ka before it. Camario.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 5: Correct. It's kind of cool.
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  Speaker 3: He's a sophomore, though. He's 6'4, 230 pounds. In fact, Nelly,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: can you do me a favor? Just give me a
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Camario Taylor highlight reel and throw it up behind me
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: real quick. Because Mississippi State, here's the problem. I don't
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: know if they're going to be any good. They had
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: a seven-point win this last week against South Carolina. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: if this guy and Mississippi State can hang in there
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: in the SEC, I am begging for Mississippi State Ole
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Miss at the end of the year. Because I think
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: it would be the most fun matchup ever. But again,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the fact that you guys don't know who I'm talking
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: about is exactly what I mean. I need people more
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: aware of Kamario Taylor.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, that being said, how long is he going to
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: be a Mississippi State Bulldog?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but just watch this guy.
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  Speaker 5: It's me, Mario.
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  Speaker 3: Literally a howitzer of an arm.
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  Speaker 5: He runs.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: He's a little bit like Vick-ish.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Michael Vick. Not Vick Lombardi, Vick. But he is an
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: unbelievable player. So I'm spreading the knowledge and the wealth
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: that when you tune into college football this weekend, check
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: out Camario Taylor.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: And this is, Vic, this is a new era. Somebody's
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: just going to come poach him for $ 4 million a year.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: Not for Mississippi State. I guarantee they'll come up with
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: the money.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, they're an all-soul ran in the SEC, man.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: With this guy, they might not be. That's my point.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: It's my point. It's amazing how.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Diego Pavia made Vanderbilt national contender in the SEC.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: So where was he last year, Brett? Where was Kamario Taylor? Because,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: you know, Shambliss came from Ferris State. Shambliss, I believe
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Shambliss was a quarterback who beat Colorado School of Mines
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: in the Division II championship game.
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  Speaker 4: He was.
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  Speaker 3: He was there last year. He just didn't start.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: So he was.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, he was there last year.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, here comes the final start for
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: one Justin Verlander. Did you realize that his career is over,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: that he's going to retire?
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Why aren't you on camera?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Why am I not?
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: I am now.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I have no idea how that happened.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Justin Verlander is one of the most consistent pitchers. I think,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: of his generation. That guy never had a drop-off. He's
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: 39 years old, still pump 100. I can give you
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: six innings if you need to.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: He's been injured all year long. His last start was
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: March 30th. This will be his final start. He did
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: a bullpen stint, and there you go. You realize he's
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: also eighth on the all-time strikeout list? Hard to believe.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: He's been a Cy Young from the time he's been
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: 23 to 38. True.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: I got one, and everybody's talking about this one. Brad,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: how would you feel if you divorced your wife and
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: then I married her months later?
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: How would you feel about that? I would have murderous thoughts.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Spurs legend Greg Popovich marries the ex-wife of his former
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: protege and ex-assistant coach Mike Budenholzer. So Budenholzer gets divorced.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: And the divorcee marries Greg Popovich. And you can do
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: whatever you want.
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  Speaker 3: No, you can't do whatever you want.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you're going to get a bunch of
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: people on the text line saying, leave him alone, he
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: can do whatever he wants. But I'm with you. You
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: can't do whatever you want.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Look, man, there is no swooping in on a close friend, associate,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: whatever's wife who you just divorced.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Can't do that.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: You just can't do that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, would I do that for anybody
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: that I have met more than a couple of times?
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: What about, would you marry Justin Verlander's ex-wife if he got.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Come on, man. I don't know Justin Verlander. Come on.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: That's fair game.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Huge, yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, though, like, seriously, who do we.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, who works here that I have never talked to?
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of people that you probably have
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: never talked to on the other side of the building.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: What's I'm saying? Like, I don't think I've ever talked
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: to the HR person here.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: If the HR dude got divorced, I'd feel uncomfortable even
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: swooping in and grabbing his wife, ex-wife, whatever.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Well, you're notorious for that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Grabbing HR's ex-wives. Don't break up with your wives or girlfriends.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I'll grab them.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, how much is too much? Gary
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Bettman says they're taking a wait-and-see attitude on adding two
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: new expansion teams to the already 32-team National Hockey League.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: How far do you really want to go?
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Well, they added two more games, now two more teams.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Well, they're taking a wait-and-see, and they're thinking about.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: I've heard the Austin or Houston market. Now, I'm going
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: to tell you right now, if it's a decision between
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Austin and Houston, they've been in Houston, the Houston.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Arrows, is that what they were? That was all minor league, yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, and the old WHL, too.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Gordie Howe played there. I love the idea of Austin.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: I think Austin is, and I'm not going to call
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: it a small market because it's a big city. But
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: there's really nothing outside of they have an MLS team.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you, they would support.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: The hell out of hockey teams.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: The Longhorns, but yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: What size is Austin? What's the size?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Size what? Like population?
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Because I'm telling you right now, hockey.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Their population has been exploding.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Do you realize that that city's bigger than Denver now?
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: The city proper?
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: You're kidding. It's huge. I had no idea.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: It's huge. Oh, I'm not kidding.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: I will say this. Hockey can work in Atlanta. Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: The reason the Thrashers moved to Winnipeg and the Jets
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: got lucky that ownership group to scoop them up is
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: because that ownership was so bad. It was terrible ownership,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: but hockey can work in Atlanta. I think it can
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: work in Omaha.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: There are three. I agree, Ashley.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Why is it too small? They would sell out every
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: single game. There's no question.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: You're looking at television markets. I think they would thrive
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: in a city like Omaha. I think it would thrive.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: I think it would be one of those. Just like
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: the NBA is thriving in Oklahoma City. So what if
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: it's a small market? Who cares?
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: It's a national sport now. I think hockey is the
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: one thing that, out of all major sports, hockey would
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: be the thing that absolutely.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: Would be well done. I think what they're looking at, though,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: is Atlanta, maybe Kansas City, Houston for sure, and possibly Portland.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: By the way, the Austin metro area has 2.5 million people.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: I told you.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: That's a lot.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: We've been there many times, and I cannot believe the growth,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: the expansion in just 20 years.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Can I ask a bigger question about this? Whether it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: expansion in hockey or basketball is going to do it.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but how many teams do you really need, man?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Here's my question. I'll just do basketball specifically. I've watched
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the Hornets. We're going to thin the herd even more
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: with two more teams looking for professional players?
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And not only that,
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: you're going to take it a step further. You're going
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: to start a European league and keep a lot of
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: those Euros there.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: We're already having a tough time finding enough NBA caliber
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: players to fill rosters right now. And you're going to
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: add 30 more roster spots?
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: I agree with you. I agree with you.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: It's the same kind of thing in hockey, man. That's
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, though. You're watering down the product. Yeah.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Because you're getting guys who are in a– there are
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: guys in the NHL right now who 20 years ago
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: would be career minor leaguers, and they're making good bread.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: I got to know, by the way.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Hey, one thing real quick. Maddie on the text line says, Brett,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: they put a radar gun on the kid from Mississippi State,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Kamario Taylor. The ball comes off his hand at around
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: 102 miles an hour.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Jeez.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: That's what's kind of, that's the cannon that guy has.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, Vic. This cottage industry, and it's not even
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: a cottage industry anymore. It is a, it's a racket.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: What these companies are doing to get the money from
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: kids and not kids, it's the parents in high school
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: is unreal. It's almost shameless at this point. Rivals, which
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: is a recruiting app and recruiting network. It's up there
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: with 247 sports and on three rivals has this new
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: deal where if you pay them as an athlete, a
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: high school athlete, $ 400, they will willingly scout you as
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: a recruit and put together an evaluation of you as
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: a recruit. All you have to do is pay them $ 400.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: They'll watch your tape. They'll talk to coaches. They'll do
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: whatever it takes to able to value is evaluate you
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: as a recruit. If that's not a money grab, I
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: don't know what is because what I want to do
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: is I want to collect enough money, $ 499, and get
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: them to evaluate Steve Nelson as a potential college football recruit.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: You're throwing your money away, but that would be funny.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: I got all my football eligibility, Vic.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Moshe, how many parents do you think out there will
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: throw away $ 499?
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: A million.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: A lot. Do the math. Brett, you know, how many
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: parents out there, and again, you can blame the parents,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: you can blame whatever, this is a money grab, because
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: I see it across all the sports. Tens of thousands. Exactly.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Tens of thousands.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Juniors got it! Let me throw it back to you.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: How many parents are delusional about how much talent their
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: kid has?
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Most.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Most are. You know, the ones that are less delusional,
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: to be honest, and I've experienced this, are the kids
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: of parents who are former pro athletes. They sort of
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: get it. They sit back and say, do you know
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: how hard this is? Do you realize how hard this
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: is to get to this level? How many breaks do
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: you have to have? And The engine has to start within.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: It cannot start from a recruiting tape from rivals.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: You know what my dad did? I was playing basketball
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: and baseball and football. And I was going into high school.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: And he said, what are you going to play? And
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I said, well, I think I'm going to do baseball
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: and basketball. And he said, this was his way of
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: saying this to me. He goes, you really want to
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: play basketball? Which was his way of saying it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: You suck at it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think you should do that. Don't waste your time.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: You really want to play basketball, do you?
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: I've tried to say that to you about golf.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: You really want to taste? Do you really want to taste?
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: And then it turns out white boy wants no taste.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: You're the guy that never wanted a taste of a shot.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: I just never wanted a taste.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: What a waste of height. Oh, well, you know, as
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: I look at you and your height, what I could
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: have done with that on a basketball court, I mean.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: We could have rewritten history.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Really? Really.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: What a waste. It is. I mean, you take your frame,
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: your reach, and your inability to play that game, and
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: it's amazing to me.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: It worked in baseball. I had a few good years.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I want that in basketball.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Well, Vic, that's why you play dunk hoops. You're six
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: foot three in dunk hoops. Jeff Legwald next.