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Ep. 223: Shooting Trees to Death · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: you stand with on X Spencer, What was the point?
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  Speaker 1: You're just making a lot of like books legally allow
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  Speaker 1: you to shoot a male turkey based on the appearance,
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  Speaker 1: with children's books like regulation books, yes, as we call
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  Speaker 1: him Spencer allow you to fill a male turkey tag
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  Speaker 1: based on the presence of a beard or spurs either
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  Speaker 1: or Yeah. So what I'm saying is, can you imagine
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  Speaker 1: like being out in the woods and have a turkey
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  Speaker 1: combined like no beard, no fan, not that that's like
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  Speaker 1: an indication, but not a legal one. But then because
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  Speaker 1: there are times with no spurs and the times and
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  Speaker 1: no beards. Yeah, so I I can't imagine a scenario
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  Speaker 1: where you'd be like shooting him off the spurs. There
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  Speaker 1: it is spurs legal bird. The reason I made you
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  Speaker 1: remake that point is we're just talking to this feller
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  Speaker 1: about hunting oscillated turkeys. So for you knuckle heads at home,
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  Speaker 1: all that there are. We've covered this a bi zillion times.
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  Speaker 1: The regular old American wild turkey. There's five sort of
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  Speaker 1: like you know, there's five what some people like to
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  Speaker 1: call subspecies of the regular old American wild turkey. Rattle
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  Speaker 1: him off, yohnnie. Uh. Starting down in the southwest the
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  Speaker 1: Wolds turkey. Moving over to the southeast and most of
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  Speaker 1: the eastern part of the country you have the Eastern
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  Speaker 1: but down in the southeast tip of or southern I
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  Speaker 1: guess end of Florida you have the Osceola and then
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  Speaker 1: in the central part and into the mountains we have
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  Speaker 1: the Rio Grand turkeys and the Merriam's turkeys. Man, it
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  Speaker 1: was a great, great job. I like that little thing
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  Speaker 1: where you uh skipped over a bunch of the country
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  Speaker 1: then doubled back. You went like west to east and
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  Speaker 1: then doubled back. Well, I started, but I went south
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  Speaker 1: and stayed in the south, oh yeah, and then came
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  Speaker 1: up the east the counter you're starting in the south
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  Speaker 1: south going counterclockwise. I like it. Uh. Anyways, there's a thing.
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  Speaker 1: There's another whole other species of turkey, which is kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a turkey and a peacock had sex the
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  Speaker 1: oscillated turkey, which lives in yucatan Um areas of Central America, Guatemala.
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  Speaker 1: I think they got him in U does Belize, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think people hun him in Belize oscillated turkeys. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: dude was telling me there's two ways. Like the oscillatord
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  Speaker 1: turkey lives out in the jungle, low jungle, not like
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  Speaker 1: high canopy monkey jungle, but low jungle. And a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times people go down and hunt him in the fields.
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  Speaker 1: They just like slash and burn egg. And people like
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  Speaker 1: the oscillated turkeys in the fields. The reason he was
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  Speaker 1: telling me they like the oscillated turkeys in the fields,
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  Speaker 1: it's because you can see their footwear because these things
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  Speaker 1: have some obscene spurs. Footwear meaning you want to see
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  Speaker 1: how a giant in their spurs. And if he's out
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  Speaker 1: in the field, you can actually judge them. You can
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  Speaker 1: judge trophy, judge them. Real limb hangers. Yeah, you can
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  Speaker 1: see if he's got limb hangers or not. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: think every single one of those buggers has limb hangers.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them just like wrap around the limb. Uh too,
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  Speaker 1: so far there could be more. So far who have
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  Speaker 1: the guess who've been on this show. Jim Halflfinger and
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  Speaker 1: Tommy Edson have overcome the dreaded COVID nineteen that got
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  Speaker 1: me thinking, have been afflicted and persevered. Tommy Edson said
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  Speaker 1: it was the second sick as he's ever been, so
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  Speaker 1: I promptly called him to ask him about what the
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  Speaker 1: first was. But uh, helfle Finger, he barely knew he
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  Speaker 1: was sick, but got sick, and that got be wondering,
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  Speaker 1: is it like is being on this show? And like
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  Speaker 1: so E should do some math. Is there a higher
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  Speaker 1: likelihood that higher than national higher? You know what I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to say? Does it does being on the show?
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  Speaker 1: I mean that there's a higher likelihood that you get
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  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen you're in a high risk group, or or
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  Speaker 1: does it match the general the population in general? Like
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  Speaker 1: what percent of Americans? Do we have a representative sample?
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get at. I Um, I
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  Speaker 1: want it, man, I just want to get it over with. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you very well good already had it. That's
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  Speaker 1: what happened to him. He went down and took Jim
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  Speaker 1: Heffelfinger went Tommy edn't just got sick of ship, and
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  Speaker 1: he found out he had because he got the test.
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  Speaker 1: Heffelfinger was just curious if he'd had it, got the
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  Speaker 1: thing and realized he'd had it a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: My wife got real mad when I said I'd volunteer
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  Speaker 1: to get it. Yeah. I got a friend. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say who, one of the individuals that I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about right here. I was saying that in his view,
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  Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the risk of overwhelming the healthcare system,
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  Speaker 1: he says, I think we should all be licking door knobbs.
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  Speaker 1: But he says he's been very protective of his mother
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  Speaker 1: because she's older and he wants her to hold up.
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  Speaker 1: But he said she's got a bunch of coupons burning
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  Speaker 1: a hole in her pocket. He wants to get down
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  Speaker 1: to the start with your cupons before the EXPIRER. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh. I want it, though I mean I don't want.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be more, but I just want
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  Speaker 1: to Like, no, I want to get it and no.
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  Speaker 1: I was speaking with a friend of mine, Yes your day,
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  Speaker 1: and um coworker of his, uh has the antibody has
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  Speaker 1: had it? Has been uh in you know in quarantine
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  Speaker 1: with her family, young children, and nobody else in her
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  Speaker 1: family got it. I bet they got it, but it
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  Speaker 1: didn't show the same thing with Tommy, Like no, but
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  Speaker 1: they didn't show antibodies or oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and she just floats around in the air for like
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  Speaker 1: nine months. Man, I think it gets Obviously we wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: quite have this thing nailed down. You know what, if
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna end up being one of those guys that
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  Speaker 1: we heard about in Turkey Camp last week that it
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  Speaker 1: in the dirt, well, not only that, but it's six
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  Speaker 1: three months later, he's still you know, suffering and lungs
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  Speaker 1: aren't feeling too good. That's a that's a risk. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying, Okay, I'm gonna trying. I want to like
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  Speaker 1: put some brackets around what I'm saying. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to then become I don't want to then infect people
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  Speaker 1: who don't want to be infected all this. If I could,
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  Speaker 1: if I could go to my fist, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: If I could go to my fish shack with a
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  Speaker 1: little vial of spit from Tommy Edson spit and from
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  Speaker 1: then right, I'd go to my fish shack by myself,
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  Speaker 1: drink Tommy Edson spit and then wait till I have whatever,
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  Speaker 1: wait for two weeks and go home. I would do
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  Speaker 1: it just just to know. I even have like in
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  Speaker 1: my notes, I have a thing like when I envisioned
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  Speaker 1: me and like it. You know, that's saving Private Ryan
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  Speaker 1: where they're real bad crowd. They're getting at um. They're
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  Speaker 1: like in that knife fight and he's like, I stab
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  Speaker 1: it near throat and then the knife turns. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stamb it near throat and he gets the
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  Speaker 1: knife turns like I gonna starthroat, right, and they go
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  Speaker 1: back and forth like that. I imagine me and it
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  Speaker 1: in a battle like that, and I like to think
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  Speaker 1: eventually I would turn it into his throat. I have
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  Speaker 1: to know I have. It's like I gotta know, man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure like everybody, I had this real weird
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  Speaker 1: sickness when I went down to California. It was just
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  Speaker 1: not feeling right, um for the you know, three days
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  Speaker 1: I was down there. You're saying everybody in December, right,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, so I'm on like the part of me
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  Speaker 1: that's like, boy, i feel like I've already got it
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  Speaker 1: because that was just a weird thing that I don't
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  Speaker 1: feel like that too early, not for cases in California.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I heard a rumor. It just a rumors,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't want to say too much, but I
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  Speaker 1: heard a rumor that you and I were at a
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  Speaker 1: place at a gathering. Yeah, that bad back in mid February,
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  Speaker 1: and there have been cases traced to the gathering that
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  Speaker 1: you and I were at. I bet, I bet a
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  Speaker 1: large gathering. Every wildlife related gathering in the in the
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  Speaker 1: US all happens February in March. Yeah, And every every
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  Speaker 1: state agency person that I've been speaking with in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of months, which is a lot, they're always like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this conference that we had six biologists at that all
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  Speaker 1: flew back home, had X amount of confirmed cases. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to move on. I'm ready to move on
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  Speaker 1: in more ways than one. I'm ready to move on,
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  Speaker 1: and let's talk about a new thing. I'm but I
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  Speaker 1: want to finish it with I hope that you don't
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  Speaker 1: get it, because I don't think you're fully thinking it through.
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  Speaker 1: I know you want to have that that knife battle
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  Speaker 1: with COVID nineteen, but I hope you don't get it
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  Speaker 1: and you had to live one mean what it would
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  Speaker 1: be like. I hope you don't get it, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get it. I'm perfectly fine. I want
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  Speaker 1: to get it if I knew that it wasn't gonna
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  Speaker 1: be that bad kind of like I want to get scratched.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get mildly scratch that other bracket your time, grizzly. Ah.
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  Speaker 1: There's a new trend, a new shooting sports trend. If
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  Speaker 1: you if you want to see on top about going
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  Speaker 1: and I'm on Instagram, go on Instagram at Steven Ronnella,
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  Speaker 1: ste v and Ronella um and you'll see a video
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  Speaker 1: I just put up of Uh. People have always gone
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  Speaker 1: out onto public land or you know, areas, and through
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  Speaker 1: garbage everywhere and dumped appliances and computer monitors and what
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  Speaker 1: have you and beer cans and shot them all to hell.
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  Speaker 1: It's always happened. It's always been horrible, but it's always happened.
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  Speaker 1: There's a new thing of that. You go out to
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  Speaker 1: public land and do all the normal stuff. You still
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  Speaker 1: dump all your garbage, you still dump all your beer cans,
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  Speaker 1: you shoot them all the hell. You don't pick them up.
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  Speaker 1: You strew paper everywhere. Don't pick any of that up
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  Speaker 1: shell casings everywhere, don't pick that up light, junk on
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  Speaker 1: fire all that. But the new thing is there's an
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  Speaker 1: added thing of shooting trees over. Have you seen this?
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  Speaker 1: I saw it on your video that you post and
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  Speaker 1: we how many places have we seen shot trees shot
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  Speaker 1: over this spring? No, two regions, multiple locations, Oh sure,
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  Speaker 1: multiple locations within those spots in those zones. I probably
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  Speaker 1: in the one location, I probably saw a half dozen places. No,
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  Speaker 1: I think, honestly, I think it was more than a
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  Speaker 1: half dozen places where people had more than a half
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  Speaker 1: dozen clusters of trees where people had engaged in trees
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  Speaker 1: shooting over. And I gather it's just like every time
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  Speaker 1: you go out, every time you get a couple of
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  Speaker 1: dollars saved up, you buy enough Ammo to go and
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  Speaker 1: whittle away at the tree some more. Well, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: saves you money on not having to buy the targets
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  Speaker 1: or beer having beer. Can No, I think that it's
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  Speaker 1: not because they're putting targets on the trees. It looked
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  Speaker 1: like they are deliberately do. What I'm saying is if
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  Speaker 1: you don't have a target, you just use the tree.
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  Speaker 1: At and shoot trees over, but you'd have to be
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  Speaker 1: buying some serious bulk ammo oh. It's a long term
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  Speaker 1: project engaged by groups of people, is shooting trees over.
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  Speaker 1: It is the ugliest, ugliest thing. It gives such a
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  Speaker 1: black like this garbage dumping public land. Now I'm not
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  Speaker 1: opposed I shoot him, but every time we go to shoot,
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  Speaker 1: we shoot on public land. Typically clean your junk up. Man.
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  Speaker 1: I told you that it's like humiliating. It's humiliating to
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  Speaker 1: be to see it and have to be like, that's
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  Speaker 1: a version of me. That's like a dude. It likes
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  Speaker 1: to shoot. He likes to hunt, maybe, but he also
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  Speaker 1: likes to just ship up the woods. The Spencer took
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  Speaker 1: us out to a chunk of state ground not too
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  Speaker 1: far from here. I've been out there a couple of
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  Speaker 1: times to shoot, and there's typically always somebody shooting out there.
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  Speaker 1: But I always, you know, build my uh cardboard box
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  Speaker 1: target uh and go through all the hassle of wandering
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  Speaker 1: over there and picking it back up. Well, now the
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  Speaker 1: box is absolutely necessary because I have to go pick
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  Speaker 1: up everybody else's crap. You come home with your box, well,
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  Speaker 1: everybody else's junk yeah, I mean it's it was shocking.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is, just like you were saying before
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  Speaker 1: I cut you off, is I'm just a person shooting,
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  Speaker 1: as is everybody else who's driving on that road, and
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  Speaker 1: it's right next to the road. I'm indistinguishable from the
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  Speaker 1: next person. And if they ever stopped, they're gonna be like,
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  Speaker 1: Holy ship, these people are pigs, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's bad. It's so bad. The reason you
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  Speaker 1: gotta be extra careful with your garbage when you go
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  Speaker 1: shooting is because I imagine. Okay, let's say you you
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  Speaker 1: found the last ten people who totally shifted up one
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  Speaker 1: of these tree shooting over areas, and you you uh,
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  Speaker 1: surveyed them somehow or interviewed them. I bet you if
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  Speaker 1: they had gone to a pristine place that wasn't shifted up,
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't have shifted it up. They wouldn't have shouted up.
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  Speaker 1: There's certainly less less likely too. But the minute someone
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  Speaker 1: goes and leaves all their trash and their casings laying
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  Speaker 1: everywhere and tries to shoot a tree down, the next
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  Speaker 1: mug that goes there, it's like, oh, I guess this
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  Speaker 1: is just one of those spots and what's the difference.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's there's no other way. Like the video I
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  Speaker 1: put on Instagram doesn't even begin. That went on for
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of yards. Yeah, that's it. That's an exaggeration. That
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  Speaker 1: went on for two hundred yards, a lot of lead
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  Speaker 1: land in the ground. I didn't have enough film to
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  Speaker 1: film it all. Maybe we should uh inquire and see
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  Speaker 1: if there's maybe some like old dumps that you know,
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  Speaker 1: many portions of dumps aren't being used anymore for you know,
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  Speaker 1: regular dumping, and then we could steer these people to
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  Speaker 1: go to the dump. You go to the dump to shoot, well,
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  Speaker 1: you go to a gravel pit. It's kind of hard
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  Speaker 1: to mess up a gravel pit. Like a gravel it's
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  Speaker 1: already messed up. I like what you're saying, though, yeah
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  Speaker 1: on us, because then you'd be like, if you can't
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  Speaker 1: bear to part with your trash without shooting, here's a
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  Speaker 1: lane for you at the county dump. At the count
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  Speaker 1: pull in the way your truck. They're like, if you're shooting,
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  Speaker 1: go shoot over there where they could charge you for
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  Speaker 1: a busted TV, like they make a little extra money,
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  Speaker 1: and be like her, you want a TV, take this
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  Speaker 1: one dollars. You can go to the dump and buy
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  Speaker 1: garbage from the dump to shoot up, pick up glad,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want, and they every week that his bulldoze
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  Speaker 1: it back into a dumpster and everybody gets to shoot garbage,
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  Speaker 1: and they can put old dead trees up and people
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  Speaker 1: can shoot him over. I think that we you know
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  Speaker 1: what I want to do. There's a local little river
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  Speaker 1: access site that I wanted to do a clean up on.
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  Speaker 1: I would rather because I feel more like um complicit
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  Speaker 1: as a as a person that goes and shoots, that
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  Speaker 1: uses public lands to shoot. I don't want shooting on
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  Speaker 1: public lands to become illegal. That would be a real
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  Speaker 1: pain in the ass. I think that we should start
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  Speaker 1: a thing and now and then go to an area
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  Speaker 1: that's been totally shifted up. I got so many ideas
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  Speaker 1: of where to do this go to and also some
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  Speaker 1: of its wire houser land. We just found some wire
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  Speaker 1: houser land that have been like basically just like like
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  Speaker 1: completely desecrated by recreational shooters. And it's a lot easier
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  Speaker 1: for a place like wire Houser to be like you
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  Speaker 1: know what, man, We're done no more. For those not aware,
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  Speaker 1: wire Houser is one of the largest landowners in the US,
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  Speaker 1: and they're pretty good about access. It's a private entity,
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  Speaker 1: it's a um timber company, and yeah, historically very good
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  Speaker 1: about access. If I was the CEO of wire Housing
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  Speaker 1: and I had to be driving down the road around
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  Speaker 1: talking about I'd be like, you know what, I don't care, man,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, that's it. Very good about access, to
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  Speaker 1: the point that a lot of people who recreate on
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  Speaker 1: wire houser land just think that it's us for a
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  Speaker 1: service land. Yeah, some guys we were just recently walking
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  Speaker 1: down a road on wire houser land. It's a sign
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  Speaker 1: very clearly expressing all more no motorized anything. So it's
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  Speaker 1: like they gotta sign ups like it's got a quad
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  Speaker 1: runner with a slash through it, it's got a truck
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  Speaker 1: with a slash through it. It's got a motorcycle with
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  Speaker 1: a slash through it. It's got a snow will be
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  Speaker 1: able to slash through it. A couple of days after
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  Speaker 1: you were there, I parked in front of that gate.
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  Speaker 1: It's like like it had recently rained. I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: any fresh tracks cutting and there oh no, and the
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  Speaker 1: greater had gone down the main road and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see any tracks, and it was pretty early in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see any tracks cutting the edge of the
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  Speaker 1: greater you know, and uh something, just like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: just parking front of the gate, and I'll keep If
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  Speaker 1: anybody's thinking about driving up there, they all they can't go,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll be up there by myself. Well, sure enough,
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  Speaker 1: I'm up there. I've been hiking already for probably close
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  Speaker 1: to two hours, and here comes a little side by
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  Speaker 1: side really yeah, so they're cool. They drove me down
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  Speaker 1: and moved the truck, and they drove me back up
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  Speaker 1: so I could continue hunting. But they worked for a
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  Speaker 1: wire houser, just breaking the law, just like what you're described. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this gate that had been left open, but there was
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  Speaker 1: no mistaking what was supposed to happen here. We hiked
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  Speaker 1: up it and I come to an old four service truck.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that's weird, like old, like a you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: eighties four service truck. And I thought like, I don't know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: maybe they have maybe wire house I don't know. Maybe
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: they bought bolt four service trucks and their guys use them.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So eventually here comes a couple of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: guys ripping down the road on motorbikes, and then I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: realized that they drove their motorbikes in in the truck.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: So they load their motorbikes up and then I'm walking
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: all the hell way back down the road and they
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: pull up and asked I want to ride, and I said,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you guys work here, and he looks at me like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: what in the world are you talking about? And I said,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: because you're not. I'm not gonna get in because you're
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: not supposed to drive here. Like they're super like wire
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: houses are super clear about that. And it looked at
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: me like I was like a Martian, look like, who
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: is this wire houser? The gates open? Bro, didn't you see? Yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: it just kills me. Anyways, I think it's a good
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: project and this would be something you should spearhead cal
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: We should um develop a thing we're now, and then
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: we take a day off of work. I'm tracking so far,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: go on, take it off work and go to places
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: where people have shot the hell out of the area
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and clean up everything the trees that have been shot over,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: cut them down off at the ground, cut the rest
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of it up into stove wood, and uh, totally spit
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: shine that place. Then we can have a little leave
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: behind sign or something that says this place spit shined,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: keep it spit shined. Yeah, I like I would love
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to do. We talked about this on the last podcast,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: so right talked about cleaning up. Actually we have been
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to Missoula and seeing that. Well, do we talk about
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: shooting trees over? Yeah? We did, because yeah, a little bit,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: that's all right, that's a message worth pounding twice. No,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it just interesting up there because it's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: obvious been going on long enough and then seeing enough
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: of it that there already was a forest service sign
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that said no shooting of trees. As if you like
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: an actual sign like a commission, have a effing sign
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to know you're not supposed to shoot trees. They shoot
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: him over at about chest height chess net hite because
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: they're standing. And every young man when he gets his
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: first axe and he's kind of cut loose, what do
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you go do? Chopped trees down? Right? And then you
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: get reprimanded for chopping green trees down? Most people, I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: think that's around when you're seven or eight years old exactly.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think seven and eight year olds are driving up. No,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that's the point I'm getting to, buddy, they missed that lesson.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: We we had a game as kids. Remember there's there
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: used to be a show. None of you guys remember this.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: There's a show called Name that Tune. I remember how
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: it went. But somehow, like there was like a thing
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: where you go, like the whole st names Bill or whatever.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You'd be like, Bill, I can name that tune in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: five notes, and then they must like play I don't
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: know what it is. They play five notes, and you'd
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: say what it is? I wish I could remember the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: details better. Anyways, we had a version we'd call chop
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: that tree, and you would, uh, you would have an
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: axe or what have you, and you look out the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: sassafrast tree or something. You'd say, Matt, I think I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: can chop that tree in five swings. And then you
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: see if you could do it, And we do it
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: sort of to the rhythm and cadence of name that
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: tune shooting over a tree. Like never never ever crossed
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: my mind. And I was talking to cal in December
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and I asked him I could borrow his steel chainsaw
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to harvest a Christmas tree, and he said well, well,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you don't want to use your twelve game you don't
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: have a gun. Yeah. We used to do Christmas tree
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: hunting every year and uh we would take my ten
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: gage shotgun and uh, select a nice Christmas tree. What
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that diameter would the trunk be? When when you're gonna
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you know, just like Charlie Brown cherees, you know, what's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the best load shot size for that project? Whatever you got,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: but like three yeah, no more than that? Yeah right,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: A lot of times you could get it in one shot.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what range? Oh? Real close? Like ten feet
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and under. You know, when we did our Christmas special,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: we had a lot of emails, like I think there's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: three from people whose tradition is to shoot trees down
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to bring them home. That's different because at least you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: shoot it down for a purpose. It's different than shooting
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: down eighteen inch diameter ponder roses. And how cleaning a
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: cup would that be when you were done? Cal Oh,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a little trim work involved, and it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: looked like someone shotow of the shotgun. Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I had, you know, one of those real tight strangler
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: choke tubes on the ten gauge, and yeah, that I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: mean it, it'll it'll drop a tree. Oh, Brodie, work,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to be calculating out what gauge of four
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: ten is? Well, we talked about I never did the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: can let's figure it out. We're gonna get to uh
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: tree shooting down. Talked about that. You know it's al
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: asshole trees down. Talk about um oh okay, next thing
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I want to jump into, Spencer, can you review for
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: us what happened when you called the man the morrel man? Yes,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and least be buying it. The last podcast, we talked
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: about Ronaldo or the San Francisco State University student that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: figured out how to grow Morale's but then was murdered
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances or not or not right he cracked
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the code of Morales, was murdered before his patent was granted. Yeah,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: My theory was that it was a hit job by
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Little Caesar's right, right, because he had a lucrative contract
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: with Dominoes. So it was Jimmy John's or Dave Thomas
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: or somebody you know, it was after him. Nobody had
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: been able to crack soon now my little Caesar's. No,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be like Alex Jones, I'll be
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: getting sued by people for so for forty years, no
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: one has cracked this code on how to grow morale's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: like Ronald Oer did O R R O E R
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I think oh R excuse me O W E R
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: O A Ronald Oer. Uh. But recently some articles out
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of Iowa and some some news stations have covered this. Uh.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Some newspapers have covered this. A mushroom farmer there claims
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to have figured out how to grow morale mushrooms. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: this spring he harvested about a hundred pounds, he said,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And this is after a decade's worth of efforts. And
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: so I was going to try to track him down
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and talk to him about what his process is. If
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: he's scared for his life, those sorts of things they
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: track him down. Uh. And your your question, Steve, you said,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: when you talk to him asking this, why are they
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: so hard to grow? So I asked him that, Um,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: he didn't have a great answer. So then I went
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to the internet. The Internet doesn't have a great answer either.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: But basically what he said and what the rest of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the Internet agrees with, is that it just takes very,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: very very specific conditions it takes the perfect soil moisture,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the perfect humidity, the perfect like air temperature, all those
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: things to make this happen. It's and then say we're
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: growing carrots. Look well, So then like the specifics of
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: this are amplified when you have to also have a
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: tree involved. So then you're like, you're like working with
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: two things. You're trying to make things perfect for the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: mushroom as well as uh, you know because of symbio
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: work with this ya symbiotic relationship that it has with
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the tree. So those two things just kind of compound
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the difficulties of growing him around mushroom. I'll buy that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: part about the tree part for sure. Yeah. So I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: asked me, I said, what is your process? Like, can
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: we scare ahead as he's scared for his life? He's not.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: He was aware, he's aware of Ronald oer Um. He
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: has looked at the patent. Nothing in his process is
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: inspired by the patent um. So there's no relationship here
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: between Ronald Ower's like growing strategy and his. Yeah, but
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the man, I mean the powerful pizza lobby or the
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: underground underworld, I mean they might still get him. This
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: is also something ask and I said, their business interests
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: at this point, he said, yes, but nothing that he
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: is acting on at this point. His name is Josh Osborne.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Oh you're allowed to say his name. I mean that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: newspapers covered it is Blues Blues best mushrooms out of Iowa. Um,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: he said. His process is actually not um like that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: unique to growing mushrooms. It's very similar to what you
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: do with other mushrooms that you cultivate. Starts with spores
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: in a peetree dish. From there, yeah, once he once.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: He in this lab environment, the spores and the petrie dish,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the my celium starts to grow. The my celium is
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: what the little white fibers that live in tree. Yeah,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: so I under like if you imagine, uh, this isn't
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a great just a little bit helpful. Imagine that you
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: have an apple tree. The my celium is the apple
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: tree living underground, and then the morales are the apples
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: which has happened to form at the earth surface. That's
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a great analogy. You like that? Yeah, Yeah, that's that's
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: very helpful when you're thinking about often get criticized. It's
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: from my analogies and I like that one. So my
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: wife doesn't well, this one's appropriate, doesn't like spores in
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: a petrie dish, which then turned into mycelium. The mycelium
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: is transferred to a eight by eight inch plastic bag.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: From there, once the mycelium has grown a bit more,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I got distracted thinking about Uh, analogies have annoyed my wife.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Can you back up one step? So it starts with
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the morale mushroom spores in a petree dish. Those spores
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: turn into my celium. He then takes and transfers the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: mycelium from the petrie dish to a plastic bag. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you now have the mycelium in a plastic bag. Once
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it develops a bit more in this plastic bag, he
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: then takes it out to his field where he's going
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to grow these morales. And there are three things that
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: he's done in three things that have success. You can
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: dump the contents of the bag onto the ground. You
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: could dig a hole and dump the contents of the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: bag into that hole. Or you could dig a hole
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and put the entire bag in the ground. He said,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: all three have worked for him. Well, how do they
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: get into the bag? Well, I assume the bag is
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: open or ventilated or something. You know, the cat out
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: of the bag. He does this process in the fall,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and there's got to be some stuff that he's not
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: telling you, certainly, And why would he like It's like,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a soaking it beer. He's got like a little
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: go for something that I'm a stranger calling him to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: ask him for his greatest alconic spot in the world.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: That's so, how exactly are you? Yep? Yep? So that's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the process. Yeah, what is he doing about? What is
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: he doing about the symbiosis that needs to occur between
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: this mysterious mushroom and the trees that it likes to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: grow near. No tree necessary for his process, that's what
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: he's saying. Maybe the tree, it's like the petrick maybe helps,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it's the petri dish. Yeah, So he does this in
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the fall, and he said, it's not so much about
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the process leading up to it. For him, it's that
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: he has cracked the cold for the perfect timing to
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: do this and having the perfect amount of shade, the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: proper amount of blocking the wind um, the proper temperature
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to maintain how much sun is on it during the day,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: all those things he's saying that is where others are
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: failing he's figured it out. Man, we had some big
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: old fat easier and I did Ni. Those are tasty
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: wild ones. You like to put a lot of butter
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: in that pan. Oh yeah, man, like to use but
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I like butter. I like so much butter in there.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: When you cook a Morrell, it's like a butter sponge.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I like to put enough butter in there that the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Morrell can't get it all that the Morrel's thirst for
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: butter is quenched and there's still butter left. We could
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: used more butter on those balls. We ate like alright now.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Josh had said in a newspaper interview that he'd like
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to harvest a thousand pounds next spring. He thinks that's doable.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And I asked him how confident he is? What kind
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of acre to re talk about? Well, uh, currently he's
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: doing a half acre plot. Um. When I asked him
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: about like how practical, Like how likely do you think
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that's gonna happen, this thousand pound goal that you have,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he said it's all dependent on the amount of time
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: that he has and the amount of funding that he has,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: because he said it's very expensive to do this on
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like a half acre plot. And girl hundred pounds. Um,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: now you gotta take that times ten, And he said
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he's not sure like that. Those are limiting factors at
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: this point, his time and his money to pull this off.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Is he a mycologist? Um, I I don't. He's a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: mushroom farmer. And oh okay, so so so that he's
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: got just a general background in mushroom farment, right, Yeah,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I guess I call it that earlier. Yeah, So I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: don't know. Um, you know, we'll see what happens next
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: spring with this. If he has a thousand pounds, I'm
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a believer, But at this point I'm still skeptical that
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: he has solved it, because it would be like if
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: if Brody went out to some pond and dumped in
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: like a bag of small bass finger ling, and then
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: came back in a year and caught some adult bass
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and you said, I grew bass. That's right, It's not
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: necessarily that simple, and like I have created life, yes, yep,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and uh we just sae. An article on the meat
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: eator dot com the ten biggest morale mushrooms ever found,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and a majority of that list comes from this stretch
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: from like Iowa to Illinois, Indiana enormous like the size
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of Yanni's court jar here and bigger, really big for scale.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: They always have you know, the back of mushrooms demystified,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: or is the front of mushrooms? Des is the back
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of front of mushrooms demystified? You want to talk about morrel? Yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, they probably a pounder more.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Some of some of these were wearing a pound inches
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: tall with a diameter of equal that. So did you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: guys see that big fatty I found with Maggie last spring?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: One giant morrel, I mean like a giant Look at
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a piece of firewood landing there. So my my point
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: with that is that like Iowa is an amazing place
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to go find morales and find big morales. Same thing
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: with the bast analogy. If you dumps I'm uh, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: like in southern California and then caught a bass, you
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, well, I grew bass. So we'll see. Suspenseful, man,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I love what I'm gonna say. The jury is still out. Suspenseful.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'm dying. No, um, I'm dying for that guy to go. Spencer.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I can grow a Morrell out of that beard. You
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: got growing there, I hope so where you'll believe me now,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I want to do early plug I'm so I'm so
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: proud of the book we're working on that I want
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to start plugging it now, even though it's months and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: months away. Really turned it in yet still finishing it up.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I think, I predict. I hate to say this kind
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of stuff. I think that I think that it will
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: do well. Oh, I think a lot of people will
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: be interested in what we've got. We've already gotten several
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: emails that you could basically use as blurbs and advertisements
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: for it. They haven't seen it, but they have people
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that have like helped you guys on parts of the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: book and being able to read through those parts, and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: they are professionals in that arena of you know, we
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: can talk about what the books about, right, yeah, of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the emergency, you know, or just a h easy meat
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: eater's guide to wilderness skills and survival. Let's taken, don't
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: use it. It is long. When we did the Guy
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: books all those years ago, and we're working on those
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Guy books long time. But we did the Guy Books
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: all years ago. We got done and it was seven
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: hundred pages long, and I went down to my publisher
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and we had a meeting, and she's like, you know, um,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: short of like the Bible. Uh, if we don't, there
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: aren't seven hundred page long books and and uh. She
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: was like, either gotta get rid of half of it
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: or it's two. And I was like, Hey, we'll just
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: make two books. And that's what the guide books became. Yeah,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't even couldn't even estimate
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: what our page count would be. I asked Havannah to
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: take a stab at it. She thinks that's she thinks
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that we're probably gonna be coming in and around hundred
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand words, so twice as long, for instance,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: as American Buffalo. Okay, because I came in about seventy words.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: A big tomb? Is that how you say it? Tom Toms?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Where you putting dead books? Well, I feel like I'm
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: ready for a ton It's fitting for either verty of
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: this book. Right now, we're in the navigation. Yeah chapter.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I just wrote a Pulitzer Prize winning section. I don't
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: mind saying this myself. I just wrote a Pulitzer prize
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: winning section on walking on the ice. Read Nice Frozen
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Lakes rivers ponds read nice, Nice that they could sections
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of books for pullet surprises, because I feel like I'd
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: go up against you with the river thing. The river
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: just yeah, being on rivers, being on the ice man
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: reading it, the noises, it makes what those noises mean.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Watching out for beaver runs freak out. Yeah, watching out
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: for beaver runs. But you can fall. I found the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: most times I've fallen through the ice has been related
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: to falling into beaver runs. People don't see that. You
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: go get a hundred books about this subject, and you
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: won't find any of them talking about beaver runs. Spencer.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: You know what I really love about Brody and Steve
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: is how humble they are. Well, No, because Spencer has
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: taken a few licks in this book. Yeah, he like
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the only person that contribute the stove talking about Yeah,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you got like a quote or two in there. Spencer's
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: been Spencer's contributions to the book have been um. Spencer's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: been doing like his infamous bullshit alerts. But Spencer like
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: takes down um like it's very instructive, informative. It's just
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: like it's just mounds, mountains and mountains and mountains of information.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So it's chapters are like um, things that bite, sting,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: mall and kill man. You're giving everything away anyways, Spencer, Uh,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you think my land too much out and I think
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you gotta have some some thirst for what's coming, just
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: like a trailer for a movie. They don't give everything away.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: How many words did you say, Savannah said it is,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I said last night, Well, um uh, she said something
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: like one fifty k metric tons. I googled how many
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: words per page in a book, and this says per
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: one hundred pages, you're looking at about twenty words, So
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: then you're looking at like a six Well, I'm just
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: like giving you a rough, rough estimate of what Google says.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: You typed in the truth about book length. Yes, yep,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I did the same, a little bit of research for
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: a deal for the Weekend Review because when I had
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: fifty episodes and there's uh, you know, how they put
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: books together these days has changed quite a bit, and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: what type of font and what's acceptable, and there's there's
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of changes in there. Um. I think good
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: lead ins for the chapters, though, it would be are
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you sure you want to get into this? Because people
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: are gon be overwhelmed with the amount of knowledge per chapter.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: But it's what But in the book, we take the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: opposite of the bear Girls approach. Bear Girls. This thing
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: is like watch out, don't want to be caught outside.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: If you get caught outside, hustle home, right, and to to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: make a show about how quick you can hustle home
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: for being outside. This is more like, um about embracing
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it right. And it's not like that. It's oh, it's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: so fearful. It's like, hey, here's some things. But Spencer,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: his contribution has been, Um, are you really supposed to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: snuck suck out sneak venom? Um? Is bear girls always
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: drinking piss? Is that helpful? Uh? Are you supposed to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: uh pull the bullet out of your body? After he
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: gets a bullet in him? People are gonna look all
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: this stuff up now. Good thing, there's more pages to read. Brody.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you're gonna be so cagey man. You
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: think i'd like to keep a wrap on things. Well,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: you know what when we do uhum, when it comes out,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just we're gonna do like a walk through. This
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: is I'm actually turning it like I'm actually turning. It's
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: getting close up now, I'm actually developing a little sense
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: of enthusiasm and pride project can see the light at
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. Yeah, you've been on a
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: real emotional roller coaster in regards to this project. I hate,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I hate doing stuff. Plus pictures in this book, right, illustrations, illustrations,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: very good illustrations. Is that Pete doing the illustration, same
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: illustrator we worked with in the past. Yeah, I want
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: a million dollars from Savannah. When she asked me if
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I would possibly have his contact information, possibly like the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: contract and the amount of with stating the amount of
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: money that we paid him per illustration from the last projects,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and uh boy, just had it all tucked away in
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a file, you know, under guide books. Yeah, old, I'll
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: see if she'll pay up. That's great his contribution finding
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: that helping us find the illustrator's email address. I do.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I do think that is a much healthier approach. Though.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like, listen, if at some point in
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: your outdoor career you don't find yourself in this position,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you've probably not been doing things right, so embrace it. Yeah. Yeah, like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you about me chapters. But I don't want
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Brody to get uh nervous. Well, we do mention four
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: tens as a survival gun. You want to take a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: stab at what gauge you think before? Oh yeah, just
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: so people understand, Brody, that was quality and bring it
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: back in the pivot. Yeah, get a little if they
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: gave out peel surprises for pivots. Yeah, I'm always this
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: year's prize for pivots, Brody Anderson. Go ahead, Steve, take
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a crack at what gauge four? Well, first I want
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: to give a couple of points here um one time?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Uh well for so a gauge when someone says a
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: twelve gage shotgun, that means is it would take twelve
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: lead spheres of that diameter to make a pound. So
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: twenty gage shotgun is it would take twenty lead spheres
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: of that size to make a pound. And then you
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: got you know, in the old days, you had eight
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: gauges that you're in around anymore? There any around. I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: don't even know I ever even laid eyes on an
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: eight gauge the biggest Boer shotgun. It's even like kind
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: of common. Is a ten gauge, twelve gauge very common?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And you have sixteens twenties, and then some guys these
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: eight Ronnie Bain's got a twenty eight, I believe, And
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: then you get down to um. Then there's one that
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: breaks the system, and the four ten is a point
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: four one oh So the four ten uses the same
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: system as rifle calibers. So like a you know, if
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: you have a thirty thirty, let's say, let's say a
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: three h wind Mega three hund wind megas point three
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: oh eight of an inch. All your thirty calibers are
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: point three oh eight. They just shortened it up by
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: saying thirty, but point three eight four ten is a
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: has a you know, diameter of point four one oh
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: of an inch. Years ago, I got a death threat
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: from an animal rights person and they have threatened to
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: come get me with a fifty gage shotgun. And I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: realized that that was about I think it was about
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the size of a BB gun. So I didn't I
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: slept well at night. No one that even though I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: might be shot, it would be by a very very
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: very small shotgun. So a four ten is take a stab.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: What do you think four ten is a thirty five gauge?
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: It's really how'd you figure it out? Looking it up
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the truth about four tens. You're not going to be
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: sleeping tonight in case that person is still lurking out
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: there with that fifty gauge. Oh yeah, it'd be worse
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: than that. I'd be like, whatever, it'll be worse than
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: my kids. Well, the FBI checked this dude out anyway. Anyway,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: a dude FBI agent did it on speck. He just
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: saw I put a post about it on social media
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and he um uh and he um. Later got to
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: hold me and said, I wouldn't worry too much about
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that guy. He's kind of randuring, a raverer. I don't
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: wide variety of subjects ranging, he told me, ranging from
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: like the Palestinian conflict on down. But apparently the thirties
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the gauge system at six, So at some point they
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: must have been making the thirty six gate shotguns. That's yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: a little teeny one and what's the four ten again?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Sixty seven accord, there's no way on earth according to
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a pile of sixty seven lead balls that size to make,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: according to American Rifleman dot org, which they say, that's
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: what they say. It's not like Bob's gun blogged com.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: All right, who am I Well, if that get t
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: slugs sometime and way him out, Yeah, well it lad spears?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Well punkin balls? Do they still make those? Do you
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: know the guy that shot the guy that shot Billy
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Billy the kid? Um? No, not the guy who shot
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Pat Garrett in California? No, I'm wrong, guy not Billy,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the guy who shot the guy who shot Jesse James.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I believe that. So Robert Ford shot Jesse James, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: then later a guy shot Robert Ford. I believe the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: guy that shot Robert Ford he had a like he
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: had a coach gun. I think it was like a remember,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I think it was a ten gage coach gun. He
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: apparently nearly cut him in half because he took a
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: bunch of pipe and a chisel and made a bunch
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of of fragments, steel fragments, No, a lead pipe, a
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: bunch of lead fragments, and took a funnel and filled
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the barrels up with pipe fragments and then give them
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: both barrels. That'll do that, I guess. Yeah, I think
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: that this is true. My understanding is that this is true.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I also just recently read I'm reading this really interesting
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: book called The Um. It's from the sixties, The Frontiersman
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: of the Yellowstone it's like a history of Yellowstone. Basin
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: talks about two mountain men to beaver trappers that got
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: in a dispute and they got real mad at each
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: oldren kind of toward their friendship apart, and later their
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: friends had to sort of encouraged them to patch it up,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: and they had a kind of tradition where when two
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: people made amends, they would shoot a glass of whiskey
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: off of each other's heads to sort of prove that
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to to prove that the bad tidings were over. One
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of them puts the glass of whiskey on his head
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: and he tells everyone, I don't trust him. I think
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot me, and shoots him. And then the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: guy at lo and Behold shoots him between the eyes
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and kills him. Stone dead says, whoops, I made a mistake.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Didn't mean to nothing happens to him. Later, he gets
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: a drink and and opens up to the idea that
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't a mistake, at which point the dead
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: man's friend pulls out a pistol and blows a hole
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: through the guy's heart and kills him. What was the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: original disagreement. I don't think it gets into what the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: disagreement was. Another thing I didn't know until I read
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: this book. You know, Hugh Glass at the Revenance base,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and you know Hugh Glass died he you know, I
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: think this was this somewhere along the yellow Stone like
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: so like between like here in Miles City. Hugh Glass,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: after all this ship he went through it gets malled
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: by the bear. Jim Bridger leaves behind. He finds Bridger
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: and a guy named Fitzpatrick and confronts them because they
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: left him for dead. Um. They're like like Hugh glaskets
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: malled by a grizzly bear, and the rest of their
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: crew of trappers splits and they leave Jim Bridger, who's
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: like nineteen, and this Fitzpatrick dude. They leave them and say,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: don't leave until he dies. When he dies, you can
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: bury him. But they get sick of waiting and they
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: just leave, take all of his ship and leave, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: then he survives and crawls back. Years later he gets
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: he's with a couple of other trappers and they get
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: into a skirmish. Maybe I think it was with the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: black Feet. They get into a skirmish with the black Feet,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and they get hold up in a spot and they
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: can't shoot their way out of the spot. And eventually
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: the black Feet light a grass fire and they know
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: they're just gonna get burned alive, and they dropped a
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: spark into a powder keg and blew themselves up. That's
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: how he died. And you know, me think we got
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: it bad. Bro wor who documented this to to like
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: report back on That's how they went. That's why I'm
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: afraid that it's not true, because I'm telling you things
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: that were written in the book in the sixties. It's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: a it's a footnote. It's like a I'm telling you,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: this is the stuff that I'm reading in a book
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: from the sixties. When I finished the book, I'll take
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the parts that I'm wondering, like why in the hell
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: have I not read that other places and go find
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: out if since the sixties we've found that these are
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: just tall tales. And much of the hug Glass story,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: like is that, um, I think that he was a
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: pirate more cast ashore in the Gulf of Mexico. Well,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: just like more reputable UH historians will say that there's
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of sensational details from Hugh Glasses story. That's
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: what I'm afraid of, and that's why I'm trying to
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: like asterisk this information for people so they understand that
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of a book. I'm reading things
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: that I hadn't encountered elsewhere, and I'm suspicious that these
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: are tall tales that later historians have said, like, that's
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: not true, Brodie, Do you mind it's normally honest's job
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: type in how did Hugh Glass Die? And also type
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: in four Union shooting whiskey glasses off each other's heads
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: the truth about UM, and I didn't even have to
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: finish in it. UM. Moving on, Brody had a note
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to discuss something Um called the futility
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: of yelling at kids to be quiet all day in camp.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're doing your research right now, Brodie. Well,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: I'll pick up on say that thought, because I'm gonna
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: pick up on the thing I want to talk about
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: is I took my kid out. My kids turned ten
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: and became a became of the age that he could
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: be legally My older boy became the age that he
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: could be legally apprenticed. So I had to go and
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: fill out a form online to be come an apprentice. No,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: a mentor. I had to fill out a form online
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: to become a mentor hunter. There's no what does that
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: mean in the eyes of the state. So in this state,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: when you're twelve, you can get hunting licenses and you
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: can hunt. You gotta go to hunter safety. You can
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: hunt when you're ten. You can hunt with a mentor.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: The mentor has to be your legal guardian or a
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: blood relative right or it doesn't need, or someone of
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: or a licensed hunter of legal standing whom the guardian
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: has given authority to to take hunting. So if you
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: just ran, you ran, you know, encountered some little kid,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and you said, hey, you wanna go hunt, you couldn't
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: take hi hunting. You have to come get me to
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: sign a form saying that I am bestowing upon you
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: authority to take my ten year old hunting. Any person
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: can hunt two years as an an apprentice hunter, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: then they got to do hunter safety. But the way
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: they got set up was like at ten years of age,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you can become an apprentice hunter and then so he
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: can hunt this year and it's like you were within
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: army they spelled out. But it's like basically within arm's
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: reach of your mentor. Didn't Maggie and Tracy start out
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: that way? They had they went they did hunter safety though, so, um,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't let someone really get away with that, Like,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you know. I might even have
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: him take hunter safety next summer. But either way, I
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: became a mentor. I became a mentor, and he became
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: an apprentice, and it's like five bucks, so that you
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: could for five bucks he becomes in a apprentice hunter.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: And then unlike fishing, like you know in the last dates,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you don't need a fishing license till you're what fifteen
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: sixteen years old, they got to buy the full on license,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and they can't hunt stuff that has any kind of
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: limited draw. They can't hunt bears, basically hunt like deer
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and small game as an as an apprenticed hunter. So
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: he turned ten just in time for the last weekend
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of turkey season. We went out, had a good time.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: He got up at four in the morning, three mornings
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: in a row, which is cool. Um, we knocked around
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: and had a very close encounter with a turkey that
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: was I mean, you're gonna think I'm exaggerating the Turkey
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: was for me to fill the engineer. But the catch
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: is that this entire table was an impenetrable juniper bush
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: that if you look really carefully, you could see movement
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: through the bush, but you couldn't make hide in your
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: hair of it. And I had my kids sitting right
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: between my legs because I wanted to be able to
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: look down at what he's looking at in him, trying
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: to see he's like leaning around, and things got a
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: little squirrely, and our line of site wasn't the same
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: where I could see a Turkey's fan as he moved
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: away from the juniper bush. I can see this a
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: little farther way now, but I can see a turn
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: he's fan playing his day, and I'm like, hey, if
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: you see him, if you see you know, eventually Turkey
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: waters off. He doesn't get a shot, and he just
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: looks like he's very unhappy. My kid is very unhappy,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: very down on himself. And he said, uh, he I'm
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: courting him. He said, I feel like such a loser.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: And I got to ask him, like, what happened? Why
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: do you feel like a loser? And he said, I
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: thought I didn't recognize I now know that I saw
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the head, but I he wasn't expecting this thing that's
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: changing colors from blue to red. And he said he
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: saw it and thought it was a flower. Hey, he
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: did the right thing. He wasn't sure he saw it
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: through the tail fan and he said. It wasn't until
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: after the turkey left and I looked at our decoy
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: and then I realized that was the head. Man. I
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: feel his pain. That's good that he was able to
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: look at the decoy and then recognize that that that
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: clicked together, he said, he said, I thought He said,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a flower with a thick stem.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. And then it occurred to him that he
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: was looking through the fan very close a little. But
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: in any case, it was lucky we heard any turkeys
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: with the amount of noise and camp. Yeah, I got
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Brody gout the camp. I got to the camp. I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: started yelling at all the kids to be quiet. Brody's like,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I already gave up on that. Yeah, but we got
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: into him anyway. How far were you? It was like
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: eight fifty yards at one I could hear him screaming
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: and yelling. And I got out on X and I
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: had the camp marks and I knew where I was,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and I did the line distance function that was eight
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: hundred thirty three yards a loud, and my kid kept saying,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: my boy, my little boys, like I could hear Rosie
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and Matt, but you can't hear Rosie and Matt. You
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: know why, don't Like, by god, you can hear ros
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: three yards away. Maybe that puts those turkeys at ease. Well,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: two years in a row, including this year, they shot
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: gobbled turkeys by playing. But I don't think it's I
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: don't think it's like beneficial. I think you created ever
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: increasingly wide area of animals animalss area around you. Um,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: we were definitely thinking about relocate. We've been kind of
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: pushing camp in closer and closer to the turkeys over
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the last five years, and I think next year we're
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: gonna be marching back retreating because because my girls have
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: gotten louder. I think that early on they were they
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: would yell in whatever, but they were smaller, the didn't
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: have lungs, they didn't have lungs, And now it's the
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, I remember being like basically in
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: the next valley and being like there's no way, but
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: then sure enough, like one still night. I'm sitting there
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: and I got the dog with me, and he keeps
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: running like fifty yards and then sitting there and looking
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: in that direction, and finally I'm like, oh yeah, he
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: can hear everybody back there camp. I mean we were
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: like a thirty minute walk. You know, when we're out filming,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: we try to and we got lacked. We get we lapsed.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Then we come back to it. But we have this
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: thing that this ideal that we have and we try
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to a little bit stick with it is what we
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: call the Mkuschi Code of silence because the mkushi um
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: an indigenous group in South America, they don't yell. They
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: don't yell. If someone's down at the boat down at
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the river and you're like at camp and you're like,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: oh man, he should grab hope he grabs the big pot, right,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I would be like, hey, grab the big pot. What
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the big pot? Right? And that's just how you go
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: about your business. They would um walk down until their
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: faces were twelve inches apart, and you would say, grab
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: the big They never make noise. They don't yell, they
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: don't make noise. Maybe a tree was falling on the
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: divide out, but they don't make noise for what reason?
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Because they're hunters. They don't make noise. It's just quiet,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: just ingrained into the way they speak. They speak to
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: people only that are right there. They don't communicate to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: people that are far away. When I want my kids
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: to come down to eat, I don't move five or six,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: five or six times if you need to, I don't
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: move anywhere I can walk over there. I'm just gonna
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: scream nine times with increasing intensity. So yeah, they were allowed.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Another observation was just brody, was one? Tell mebut you
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: know how you mere a minute? Man? Oh god dah man. Frustrating,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: isn't it like? It never seems like And maybe this
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: is like people that just aren't dialed into a certain system,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: or they don't feel the urgency that we feel. But man,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: people take a long time to get ready. Adults, don't
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: your kids? Yeah, even adults, And yeah, kids, I like,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I'll I'll stick Hayden in the sleeping bag, in his
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: sleeping glows, shake him and say let's go. And he's
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: pretty good about getting up early. That was your trick. Yeah,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: get him, just slam him sleep in their clothes so
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you get him already. I was wondering how he's ready
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: so fast. Oh yeah, just yank him. He's all like,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: just drag him out of the area. But yeah, adults
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: just like don't. But you're talking about getting ready for
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: to go hunting, yeah, or really whatever, but sure, yeah,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: it's like getting light. You should have been sitting under
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: the tree half an hour ago and you haven't even
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: left camp yet or whatever. Yeah. There was one afternoon
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: when when um me and my wife are gonna go
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: out and listen for gobbles, and uh, Brody's wife offered
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: to let us leave our young uns there, and so
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I was like very like like I'm a minute man,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I was like very ready to go. I'm like ready
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: for the American Revolution one by air, one by land two.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: If I see who's that guy, Paul Revere? You know what?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Historians later tried to say that Paul Revere wasn't real.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I can't remember who the politician was, but he said
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I love Paul Revere, whether he wrote or not. Ah. Anyhow,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I would not then look at my wife because I
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: was like why, like what what what is like? Why
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: why haven't we left? Why is it now so much
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: longer later and we haven't left? And I would like
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: try to look at her in like distinct moments, and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: in every distinct moment it did, in fact seem like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: something was happening, Like she wasn't sitting there. I'd be like, like,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: what is she doing? And I try to like look
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: at her and like, oh, she is looking for one
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: of the kids shoes. You know. Then I would like
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: then twenty minutes to go by, and I'd look at
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: her and be like, oh she is. But so all
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: the parts make sense, but the some of them doesn't
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: make sense that how am I ready for an hour? Yep?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: And you get like a group of people who don't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: feel that urgency, and it just makes it even worse
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: because they look around and she knows that I'm irritated
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: cause I'm just generally irritated about wanting to go, and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: she's like, I don't care if he's irritated. And since
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: the other people that are doing something, they don't, they're
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: also wandering around, so it must be okay to keep
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: wandering around. And then you wait an hour and she'll
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: find me right and she'll be like, we should get
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the kids lunch. Yeah, I was gonna say. The other
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: perspectives could be that, like, damn, Stephen Brody would be nice.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: They just helped me find this other shoe and then
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: we could get them out of here and knocked out,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and then we can all get out of here. Instead,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: those two are just standing over there with their hands
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: in their pockets, going hurrying down. I know, no we
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: for the first time, I think it's an age thing.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Is I crossed some threshold now where I'm like, I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: don't even care about food, coffee, anything. I will just sleep.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: And I started doing the pants things harder woodpecker lips.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I'll just sleep in the pants, put my boots on.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I usually always take my socks off. I don't sleep
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: good if I had my socks on my sleeping bag.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: But that way, I'm just like, I wake up, I'm
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: still blurry eyed. I'm just like Genever you kind of ready.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh yeah, and we just no coffee, no food, nothing,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: put the turkey vest on and just start walking down
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: the road and you'll wake up. But you know, your
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: body starts moving. You wake up and you're fine, and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: you just you start to realize that you don't really
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: need to hang out at camp and it's not You're
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: gonna enjoy that cup of coffee. It's gonna burn your burn,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: your lips and your tongue is you're trying to pound
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: boiling bean wash. Yeah, you could just put like um yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: but a bar in my pocket, Put some bars night before,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: put some bars in your turkey vest, put an energy
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: drink in your turkey vest. Go to sleep in your
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: turkey clothes and just leave. Yeah. And later in the season, man,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: holy sh it, it gets late early. Yeah, right now, brutal. Yeah.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: One guy last week and can't kill the bird at
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: like five oh five, kill seven something like that. I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: killed my last weekend. I got a tax. Some brody.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I was laying in bed petting my dog, and we
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: get up. I get up as soon as I can
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: see the glow in the window. Man, I get up,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and I was laying there. I just it was just
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: literally enough. I left the dog and on the bed
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: and I got a tax. Some brody was like, what
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: the hell? Early? Yeah. I almost thought you shot it
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: out of the tree. No, it was fifteen minutes after
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: he flew down. Turkey hunting, you can't really do it.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: But a system that I like during big game season
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: is to roll out get hiking, get out to where
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna glass, and then boil up a cup coffee
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: and have my my scene all set up and ms
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: on plas and I'm got my butt pad out. I've
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: probably already pooped at this point. I'm drinking a cup
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: of coffee and I'm just just peel on that place
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: apart and it and the sun's coming up. You can
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: take pictures of at sunrise that you'll never ever see again,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: but you gotta do because it's so pretty. It's a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: great situation, stress free. Man. We've done a few little
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: mountain tricks like that, like another mountain trick that we
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: kind of we try. We do a bit more filming.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Two is too. When it's when the times like this,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: we just we did this. Yeah. Uh, when it's like
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: you gott get up so damn early. You gotta got
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: three thirty four in the morning. You'll be up at
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: first light and then it doesn't get dark. You know
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: you're you're you're still hunting at ninety. Um is to
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: bring your gear, to bring a stove and some freeze
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: dry and just eat it five. I just told us
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: off in the backpack, so eat at five glass or whatever.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Through the hunt through the prime time evening and then
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: come home and you already eight. Yes, they just slide
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: in your bed instead of like getting in at nine
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: thirty weighing out whether or not you want to eat
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: or not, in order to then get up at four
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: in the morning. It's a lot nicer us to get
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: it taken care of. I agreed. And another thing is
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: sometimes we've gotten up in the morning, just brought our
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: sleeping bags and get up to a glass and spot,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and then get back in your sleeping bag and make
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: some coffee up in your glass and spot. That's big game, Yanni.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Can you share with everybody what had with your your
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: little truck thing? This is an interesting story. Oh yeah,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: well with my brother in law's struck, I think it's uh,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I hate bad talk the old Toyota tundra, but it's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: a Toyota tundra. And um. Of course, when we talked
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: to the mechanic, he's like, I swear to you, this
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: is the first alternator I've ever changed on one of
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: these tundras. Anyways, Yeah, they had gone him and his
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: son had gone up to charge some devices and get
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: some service, and they kind of left camp and drove
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: up the hill. Maybe not far. I don't know, it's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: like a quarter mile, like charging sternal batteries and whatnot. Yeah,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: external batteries, telephones, kindles, whatever else. And uh, they're sitting
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: there and you know, prior to that, we had seen
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: a minor bit of smoke um coming out of the engine,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: like on the trip in, and he had said he's
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: seen it the day before. But to me, I saw
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: it was so little and I smelled it. There wasn't
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: really like a bad smell, and I'm like, you got
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: some mud kicked up in there. It got hot and
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: it smoked, you know. Yeah, we're on in eastern Montana. Anyways,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: they're sitting up there, charging away, and he just happens
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: to be looking down at the dash as all of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: the gauges flipped from you know, one end to the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: other end, back and forth twice, and then I think
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: the engines running and basically the truck shutters and everything
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: just windows are wide open and there's nothing nothing. He
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: can't do anything. I think he could turn the key,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: but there was no lights. This absolutely couldn't change gears in.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: It couldn't. Yeah, yeah, I guess you have to have
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: power to shift. But um, I learned a lot. I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: learned that in at least in that um those years
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: of Toyota tundras, there's a little square box probably not
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: even an inch by inch um right next to the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: gear shifter, and you can it's basically like a little
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: lid and you pop that out and that's what's in there,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: and you can take a pen and push it down
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: and then that allows you to change gears boxes. Yeah,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: it's not a bot, I mean, like I said, but
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: you can put no I've seen those. I've never pride
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: one open. Yeah, that's what's in there. So at least
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: when when we figured that out, we knew we could
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: at least I could pull him down the mountain because
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: we're probably I don't know, five seven miles, had no idea.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: That's what's the netla on an unimproved dirt road. So
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: at least I could pull them out and then a
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: mechanic could or a toe truck can meet us. Um So,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: but when we realized so I'm trying to think, I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: don't know. We were getting a lot of advice from
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of people and a different advice on on
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: what to do, but finally own guy says, you know,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: what you need to do is bypass the alternator. If
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: you it sounds like you blew the alternator. If you
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: unhooked the alternator, charge up your battery. Your battery should
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: have enough juice in it to let you run the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: vehicle for ten to twenty minutes until it dies again.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: And then you just pop the trunk, you know, and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: recharge your battery and keep driving until you get to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: where you need to get going. And sure enough that worked.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: So what did you do to bridge the gap once
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: you pull the alternator out? We just unhooked the alternator.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: That was it. You don't need to liken, No, we
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: just really, you know, tape the ends of those uh
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: wires so that you wouldn't ground out on anything, you know,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: if it touched. But that was it. Um and uh yeah,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: so we were able to drive out and then uh
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: we had we had a mechanic meet us. The mechanic
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: drove two hours to get there and then installed the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: new alternator in a belt and a couple other things.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Ate himself a crisp Oh yeah, he had a good payday.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: He had a good but I think it was cheaper
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: than having it Toad are we allowed to say? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: but I think getting told short here because what do
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's like you don't have
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of options. But I mean, look, if
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: you're a chief skate, you could probably limp your way home.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: And the method I just described by by charge eight
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: lottery driving thirty minutes down the highway, pull when it,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: when it shuts down, pull over, recharge the battery. It's
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: safe to do that. Yeah, right, that system though, I
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: mean you had to have been feeling good for driving
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: your truck out of that hole. Oh yeah. We had
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: some Yeah, we had some major wins. And at the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: same time we managed to kill a couple of turkeys.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: So yeah. We had an Australian once blow a hole
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: through the floorboards of a pickup truck with a shotgun
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: and severed the fuel line and we had to tow
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: it twenty miles out of a Donna riverbed. And that
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: was a Bounty riverbed. It was a real bouncing I
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't there, but I remember that the episode. It was
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: in Australia. No, it was Australian abroad. He was in
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: New Zealand, New Zealand. But they're not allowed to play
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: with guns that much in Australia, so he's real curious
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: about a shotgun. He's trying to figure out how it worked.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: He's wishing he had your protection and to touch one
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: off in a inside of a vehicle. Oh horrible. Oh yeah,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: but Brody made a note that I didn't check back
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: in with you guys after, so we were starting to
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: make plans on how we're gonna get everybody out of there,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: because we had two full calling in the cavalry, but
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: they're not calling off the cavalry. Yeah. Well, the that place,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I think you guys had it similarly after I talked
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: to your wife. But it'd be like one minute you
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: can like just make all the phone calls you want
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: to be working tax and then for the next twelve
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: hours it's like there's nothing only that. But when people
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: would call you, it actually you got a new phone
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: number or something, so it could be like the knock
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: can't It wouldn't just be like busy or not answer.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: It would be that it's like it tells you like,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: hey man, you know number can't be completed as dialed, right,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: And so it made like I was trying to call
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: my brother at one point I thought something. I was like,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: oh something, what happened. We had a big debate, so
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: I I tried, I didn't try. I actually you can
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: look at my text history and see that didn't go through.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: It was more about the debate that we had whether
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: we should just go home or wait to hear from
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: what we made. Me and Brodie didn't want to be um.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Me and Brodie were trying to wash our hands in
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: the matter. So I eventually said to Brodie's wife, I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: was like, so you're saying that we should take off,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: and then Stee's wife backed her up, because if this
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: blows up, just blows up in our faces. I don't
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: want to be I thought we should take off. I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: wanted to be there. I wanted to stay. And Carry's like, sure, okay,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I'm saying let's go, just like I'll live with it
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. Body. Yeah, and then you so, Yahni,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: you're now depressed. Yeah, it happens every year. I feel
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: like last year I got I got just enough turkey
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: hunting in and um it went all the way to
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: the end of May, and afterwards, I just you know,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: happily put everything up, put all those breasts into my
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: freezer and and uh just went about, you know, looking
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: towards fishing or whatever. And uh but uh, and I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: shouldn't complain too much because I still killed five birds
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: and I got you know, some hunting days in. But
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I just had you know, great big plans and old
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen shot holes in my like you were supposed
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: to be able to hunt Turkey's will primo, that's right.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Who else? I don't know. We were supposed to go
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: to Michigan and maybe Wisconsin. I still have half of mind.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: It probably pissed some people off, but you got. My
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: wife's out next week, so I have the kids anyways,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, Wisconsin seasons open through Tuesday, so
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: if I leave tomorrow, they're doing an extension. No, it's yeah.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: So if I left tomorrow, i'd have three days. Oh
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I love and you can kill what one a day there?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: You can kill as many as you have tags for.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. That's there's a lot of other
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: things that need my attention to. But man, had I
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: not just solidified some fishing plans, i'd be fueling that fire.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nice, because then we could just we wouldn't
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: have to stop because it's just a long enough drive
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: where I'll probably have to take a nap somewhere and there. Hey,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: have we have we have we covered? Have we talked
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: about the male the rough grouse finding? No? Definitely, I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: think that I have made a scientific discovery. Well as
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: well Yan has made a scientific Discoverybody told me about it. Well,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: I to forget who someone's tent was right next to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: my tent, seth. I think both of us got that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: discovered that I did not a rough grouse. They do
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: it all year round. Rough grouse drum and when a
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: rough grouse is drumming, he takes he gets up on
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: a log, gets about a perch and beats his wings
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: on his body and it makes this noise. One might
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: think this is straight from YouTube. The thumps are produced
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: by the beating of the wings. Oh yeah, it was
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: like he's doing in his throat, but he's also beating
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: his wing in an actuality. The thumps are little sonic
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: booms created his air suddenly fills a vacuum made when
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: the wings are thrust outward from the breast. I would
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: amend that's the same thing, though to say one might
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: think the thumps are made by a little Honda generator
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: because when I played again, Phil, I remember when my
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: brother Matt turned twelve and he had to go sit
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: in his own tree stand. He couldn't sit up in
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: dad's tree stand anymore with him. I was. Then I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: went and sat with Matt and his tree stand. So
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: he was twelve, I was nine or eight, and I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: remember sitting. I could take you and show you the
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: exact Dame tree we're sitting in. Remember sitting there and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: he listening to a grouse, a rough grouse drumming. I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: was staying earlier. They they'll drum all your I don't
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: all year, but they drum all around. But they really
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: like to drum in the spring because it's like a
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: territorial thing. Anyways, I remember saying to my brother Matt, oh,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: that guy finally got that lawnmower running, or that guy
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: can't get that lawnmower running, or something in him saying
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: that's a rough grouse because it's like a guy trying
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: to get an old beater lawnmower gone. Uh. There's a
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: thing in rough grouse biology where there's a drumming log
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: and people will even when when assessing habitat or when
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: um trying to get population estimates. There's even a thing
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: of like using drumming logs as a way to assess habitat,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: being that there could be suitable rough grouse habitat that
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: is in fact not suitable due to a lack of
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: drumming logs. I never knew that they drummed at night,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: but we the other night had a rough gruff grouse
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: drum all night. Bios. Not only that, Not only that,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: but that's son of a bit is out walking around
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: at night, going from spot to spot to spot drumming.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about a vulnerable bird, man, Hold
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: on there, They moved from one spot to another. Yes,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: that bird moved around at night. Yeah, we had the
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: same thing. Happened a couple of weeks ago when we
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: were camping. He would go from he went from one
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: spot to another. It woke me up at two thirty.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, I'm late. I gotta you know.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I thought it was morning. He just kept going. No,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I understand that, but I didn't know that he moved. Yeah,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: we went from like our tents over to your tents.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Is he hoping that it pays off that night? Like
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: if female is going to confine him or is he
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: just like planning for tomorrow morning. Well he's it's like
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: territorial too. He's like saying, like, this is my spot.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: I just read on all about which comes out of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Cornell Ornithology, and that you want to find out bird
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: I was just quick plug. You want to find out
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: the dope on birds, go to Cornell? Absolutely yea um,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: although they didn't have that. I just that I read
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: to you about the vacuum sonic boom. But it's saying
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: that it will also do this drumming on moonlitch nights,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: which it was when we were out there every night
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: thing and just when there's visibility that it was a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: bright night, it was. It was so bright you could
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: see the moon like it was looked like someone was
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: holding a flashlight outside your tent. Huh, forty six years
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: on this planet and I hadn't had a rough grouse
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: drumming all night? Yeah? What else? What else is interesting
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: is that that little sequence only last eight seconds? And
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: how many times do you think he moves his wings
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: in those eight seconds? No, not the one I heard?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because that little end explosion. Oh yeah, like
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: oh it died again? Man m yeah, that bagger was
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: you would think that annoys like someone else was saying.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: It was Garrett that was saying. He's like, yeah, first
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: it's like real calming and nice, like listening to the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: stream trickle by, you know, the rough grouss drumming, and
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: then an hour later he's ready to strangle that that bird,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: didn't you guys say you could like hear it dragging
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: its wings on the ground or something. Right, Well, we
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: got into our tents. Yeah, you know, you could hear
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: him like literally walking in the leaves, like I mean,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: probably a foot or two from my head. Yeah, and
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: they're just happened to be from there, kind of perpendicular
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: going out a giant you know, I don't know. At
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: one end it was probably eighteen inches. At the far
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: end it was three ft diameter log that took days
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: to shoot it over. The main thing were supposed to
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: talk about, Oh yeah, we got thing. Yeah, and then
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I gotta get it was so important I put it
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: down at the bottom of my notes. I gotta get
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: a closing thought too, but we'll get to that later.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: So did it happen, cal did it happen? Well, well,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: damn sure, better happened now everybody's talking about it. So
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: what happened last night take it away is the word
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: has been spread that when and there, there's all sorts
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: that you know, everybody likes, say political feater these days,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: but it's all that's that's what they do back there,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: So it's it's not nobody should be shocked. Um, the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: word is out that when Congress returns from its recess
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: for the Memorial Day break more Memorial Day weekend break,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell is going to lead with the Great American
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: Outdoors Act, which is something that we've talked about a
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: bunch and it had a bunch of steam, and I,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: for one, was was very concerned on how this was
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: gonna fair with um, you know, all of a sudden
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: getting slapped with this pandemic life and COVID and UH
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: bailouts UH around COVID, and we went from you know,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: economy kicking ass and everybody's got jobs and now we
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: have some serious unemployment in the country for the first Yeah,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: and I treated just like my Turkey season. It did.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: It did. It went went from the number one priority
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: to boy, I hope I get around to that. Can
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: you give it a first give the cliff note version
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: of what it is. Yeah, so the Great American Outdoors
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Act is how bills get past these days. It's not
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: an individual bill, it's it's a package. UM that the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: major points of this package, UH, Land and Water Conservation Fund,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: which has just been man if you've ever been interested
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: in conservation. Land Water Conservation Fund is something that's been
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: talked about forever and it's been a battle. But that
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: is a fund that basically takes a tax off of
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: offshore oil and gas revenues and earmarks that cash specifically
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: for access programs, conservation programs UM and then individual states
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: and agencies and UM and uh, you know it's available
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: for private land as well. Can't apply for l w
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: CF matching grants for projects UM. And some people dog
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: on it with this like horrible argument of like, yeah,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: you know that really nice bike path that uh is
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: in my little tiny small town that's l w CF funds.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: What does that do for me? Um? It gaus people
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: that you live around never really nice bike path? Yeah,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: I mean like really like dragging, Like was it like
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: they should have divided up the money by everybody in
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: the community and given everyone like a dollar. Yeah, it's
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: just like questions like he doesn't this guy right, but um,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: lots of city parks, UM, some boat ramps, all sorts
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: of different types of access. But I once heard, I
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: don't know that's true or NOTO. I once heard that
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: every county in America has had an LWCF project. Boy,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would lay it on the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: line to say every county but you and mind, Alaska
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't do counties. Every absolutely every state, no, no question whatsoever. Um. So,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: but there's always been this battle to have UM both
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: LWCF authorized and funded at the same time, which is
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: something that we've really struggled with. UM. LWCF is in
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: the Great American Outdoors Act. Um, We're sorry. Funding full
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: and permanent funding of LWCF is in the Great American Outdoor.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Is that that's where the LWCF then gets super complicated.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: It's like there's authorizing it. Yeah. So basically like Cal's like,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: hey man, I want I wanna buy pack of gum,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, uh, yes, you can buy a pack
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: of gum, and its like bunny to mind to buy
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: the gump And then you would say, well, that's great,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: and that's not my department cal has been all the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: rise to buy gum, but doesn't have the money to
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: buy gum. So then I'd go to Joannice as the
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: chair of the House Appropriations Committee, and I'd say, Yannice,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: Steve over here has told me that it's okay to
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: buy a pack of gum. And the pack of gum
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: is a really nice pack of gum, and it costs
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: this much. That's what I've come to ask you for.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: And Joannice would say, is it really that nice pack
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: of gum? Do you really need? No? We could we
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: can improve this because I say, you say, um, I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: need to buy a pack of gum. Uh, in my
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: budgets a dollar, I'm allowed to spend a dollar on
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: going And I'm like, yes, I authorized you spend dollar
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: on gum. Then you go to Honest and say, well
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: I need that dollar because I've been authorized spend a
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: dollar and com yeah, it's like I get ten cents. Yeah,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: it's like a lot of people need a dollar kid um.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: So yes, LBC have full impermanent funding is in the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Great American out or Is Act. The other thing and
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: this is when they say full full funding is nine
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: million year, right, But that that is for these specific projects,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: which just gave me that money, um that people have
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: to apply for. So it's not yeah, it's I mean,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: it's it's a cool thing. It has helped everyone, whether
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: you're in a major city center or not, or very
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: rural town. But they do there's a lot of checks
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: and balances to make sure that that money gets spread
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: around so that every county thing may very well be true.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Uh you know that there's just a lot of counties
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: out there. So but a lot of other stuff has
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: been rolled into the Act, right. Yes. The major thing
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: that I think is pretty darn neat is again it's
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: kind of a weird twist because of the way the
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: economy has gone and the jobless rate in America has gone.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Here since people were starting to be like, oh boy,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Great American Outdoors Act could have some steam. You know.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: President Trump was tweeting about l WCF, which is part
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: of the Great American Outdoors Act. Um. Uh. Senator Dan's
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: here in Montana. Senator Cory Gardner uh in Colorado have
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: uh you know co signed um uh, you know co
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: sponsored the Great American Outdoors Act. All this like good stuff.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Fifty three co signers in addition to the first seven
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: you want to be confusing books. So there's fifty nine
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: co signers officially, um, which is which is a big deal. Uh,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans and Democrats on there. And then uh,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: but like I said, this odd thing going from the
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: steam the momentum of like okay, this could happen, and
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's like, oh my god,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: we need like really funding in this pandemic. And it
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: just made me very nervous. Tax revenues are going to
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: go down, and then the oil and then oil leases
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: are going to go down. Yes, Um, well there is
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: funding in the Grand American Outdoors Act for this huge
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: national parks backlog and a lot of folks and I
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: think you were kind of one of them. You're like
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: national parks. I don't play that much in national parks
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: because that's where all the people go. Um, well there's
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: a big push too. Then say, well, listen, we can
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: put a lot of the funding towards national parks backlog,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: but we also have maintenance backlogs on blm US, Fish
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: and Wildlife, Ground, Bureau of Reclamation, UM, Bureau of Indian Education,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: and so now, uh, there is dedicated funding to address
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: National Park Service still gets the kind of lion's share,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: but then US four A service, BLM, Bureau of Reclamation,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: Bureau of Indian Education. So, uh, wasn't it that the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: service gets and then the rest of it was split up?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I think five us F S five five. I think
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: that's right. I think that's right. Yeah, specifically for maintenance.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: But then the neat thing when I keep going back
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: to the job side of this is, uh, you know,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: we have changed from like the U. S four Service
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: having a crew to do everything to where they hire
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: out contractors to do a lot of this maintenance. National
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Park Service the exact same way, US Fish and Wildlife
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: same way. So it's like infrastructure spending. Yeah, and we
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of dedicated funding in this that will
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: be paying contractors to do this work. So there's a
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: lot of bill jobs in this thing, which the timing
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: of that with what's going on right now is is
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: a really cool thing. So, but we're still at this
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: moment talking about something that really should probably happen on Tuesday,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: so sorry next month rather um. Yeah. So Mitch McConnell,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: he has said he's bringing it out when we come
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: back in session after the break. Um, there is a
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: little uncertainty because there's not this supermajority that can carry
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: the vote with through a detail. Right. Um. The you know,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: this has been controversial stuff because you know, people are antipers.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: You know, some people are anti spending on public lands.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: But the other kind of interesting thing here is one
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: of the things that has been very consistent for folks
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: in this weird time of getting some of our freedoms,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: like hey, you really shouldn't do that in the time
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: of COVID for the general welfare everybody, well, one thing
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: everybody for the most part it's been able to do
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: is go outside and exercise outside. UH. And a lot
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: of people have now found a renewed passion for being outside.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: If you talk to our state agencies, with which again
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot participation across the board in fishing, hunting, camping,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: outdoor recreation has been adding an all time high, UH.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: If you want to get back into it. My favorite
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: subject tag allocation. I was talking to my friends in
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Idaho and they're like, oh, ma'am, UH would have been
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: real hired to draw a tag this year because we've
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: had record breaking submissions for UH draw tags. Yeah, I
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: heard the same thing. I heard an interesting number yesterday.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: UM Minnesota year to date their fishing license sales up.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: No way, Wow, that's scary. Are getting out again. The
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: stage is set. That's really something. So the so we
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: need to do this thing, man, because you got people
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: want to get out. We gotta be ready for him,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: even the National park people. Yeah, and like this is
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: something that has a bunch of jobs built in. It's
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of needs that we need to take
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: care of built in. If you think there's too many
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: people out there recreating, with more people out buying fishing licenses,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: uh LWCF, you know, take some time, but it can
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: help spread out people by providing more access. There's a
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: lot of really good stuff in here, and it takes
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: so much freaking work and time to get one of
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: these packages that you know is not uh a defense
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: contract or all these other things that seem to take
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: take precedence UH to the floor. You know, people are saying,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: call your representatives, call your representatives, call them, throw them
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: into a stranglehold, man. Yeah, just just explain to them
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah, come on, how much time
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: you spend out there, how much money you spend out there,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: taking the family outside. It's a big deal. And the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: times now stay. If you want to sit on your stuff,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: uh and not talk about conservation stuff or or or
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: pretending like you care, just make make one phone call
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: on this and then you can be like, Yeah, that
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: biggest thing that's ever come around in our lifetime. I
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: was a part of that. I made a phone call
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: and told vote for it. That would be a good time,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: still would be help even though around the cusps, but
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: still be helpful, just to give it the extra umph. Yeah, yep,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: you can go uh and check out the actual bill.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: It'll tell you who's already CO signed. Um, yeah you can.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: You can your guys out on there. You got your
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: woman's honor. You can give them the heat. You can
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: give them heat. But also call those people that av
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: CO signed and say thank you. They need to hear
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: that stuff too. They never hear thank you enough that
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: you know, people in Michigan are showing up at the
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: state capital armed because they want to get some of
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: the restrictions eased. Yea, how can people don't show up
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: armed about the LWCF down there? Man? I had too
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: many acronyms, I guess I don't know. Yeah. Um, so yeah,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: this this is a big one. Call Call your representative,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: tell them you want them to pass the Great American
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Outdoors Act. Do you feel cal you're a cynical man. Yep,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: that's true. Um, you're a skeptical man and a cynical man.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: My favorite quote being, Uh, skepticism is the chast t
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: of the intellect. But you're a cynical man. Do you
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: feel that calling your representatives? Are you just twiddling your
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: thumbs when you call your representative? Scale No, No, I
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think it has the impact
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: that you want it to. Like I feel oftentimes, Uh,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: even if you have your ducks in her own you
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: tell this awesome story and and you make that AID
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: on the on the other end of the phone, Uh,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: cry over the for the sympathy for your plight. That
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: aids just gonna mark another notch in the for against
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: column and move on to the next regardless of Yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: like the intensity of the plea you might not matter,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: might not matter. That's what I heard. I was asking
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: sort of a hypothetical question or not a leading I
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: know what kind of question. The question we kind of
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: already know the answer to it. But I've talked to representatives,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: um who have said on some issues where it's not
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: like a huge on some issues where it's not just
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: become like a big party thing or doesn't become like
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: super partisan polarizing into partisan way and you have to
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: like go with things and it just is, you know,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: just some issue that doesn't become overly politicized that they
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: will literally calls and letters and they run a tally
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: and it's like that your constituents seen to be falling
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: very cleanly and favoritess and it's like got it yep,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: that's all go yep. Um. Yeah, so it's still like
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: good old stuff like that still happens. Yeah. I mean
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: I've written letter emails. Um. You know, form letters are
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: super easy, but it's not much harder at all to
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: just write an individual letter that isn't attached to a
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: form letter. I think that is more impactful. Um. But man,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: a phone call is so fast, so efficient, that's what
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: those folks like. It's easier to make the phone call.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Oh sure, they're always real polite. Oh thanks for calling
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: and glad to hear you're you know, involved. Okay, bye, Yeah,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: they're gonna ask you where you live, you know, because
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: they want to know if you're in there zone or not,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: you know. But I mean, it's it's it's something everybody's
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: gotta be a part of. If not this issue, something else.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: If you're listening to this show, this is damn sure
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: your issue. So get off your stuff and call great
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: an email and be a part of the process. I
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: got strangle hold little stuck in my head right now.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Before our lives showing Detroit got canceled. You know what
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: we had planned for it. I'm sorry postponed, not canceled, postpone,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: and we'll still do it anyway. But my buddy from
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: high school, John Merchant, he likes to play guitar, and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: when we were little kids here, not kids like high schoolers,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: he always, uh like you could play all the nugent songs,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: you know, And um, we're gonna have John come out
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: with a guitar at the live show and we're gonna
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: do nugent name that tune and John I was gonna
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: play opening licks to see who can name the song
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: fastest way and go tango, and then we'll have a
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: green tree and an accent in there. Uh are we
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: doing concluders here. Okay, So I got a good one
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: that's been bugging me. Um alright, so you guys got
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: I'll make this real quick, and it's just out for
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: everybody to judge. Here moment, you're gonna say something that's
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: been bugging you in and I'm going to judge it. Yep, Well,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: I mean you gotta. It's a scenario, right, So, Oklahoma
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: suburbs of Oklahoma City. These two kids are out fishing
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: in their neighborhood pond, which is legal to do so legal.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: It is legal to fish the neighborhood pod. And they're
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: fishing for bass in the neighborhood pond. Uh. And they
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: want to say they're somewhere in the twelve fourteen year
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: old range, the horrible age. Yeah for full of miss chieff. Right. Sure,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: it was a lot of trouble happens in there. I
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: caught a lot of large mouth bass in them mirrors.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Vehicle shows up, guide, an adult man steps out, walks
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: to the water's edge with a cast net, uses the
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: cast net to pull approximately three pound bass off of bed,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: and then drops that bass in the bucket next to him.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: The kids know that this is illegal, and they decide
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: to go up and talk to the adult and just
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: let him know that this is an illegal activity. And
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: he begins to cuss the kids out, you know, basically
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: like mind your own business. And at that point the
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: kids call fishing game fishing wildlife. Uh huh I should
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: have been talking, yeah, student, little buggers and that. Uh.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Then they say, hey, just so you know, you know,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: we called fishing wildlife. They even went as far to
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: explain to the guy before they called fishing wildlife that
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: you can keep a bass with a rod and reel.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: So they're like, if you're really interested in keeping a bass,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: you can keep one if you catch it with a rod.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Real mr, Yeah, just fish for him. Yeah. Uh So
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: then now this guy's real irate and he's still cussing
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: at these at these kids. Um. And then uh drives off,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: thinks better of it, jumps out, runs down to the
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: water's edge, throws the bass back, continues to cuss at
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: the kids. Uh, jumps in the vehicle and drives off. Uh.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: And then later on, fishing Game catches up with him,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: writes some a ticket, which he he he pays in full. Um.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: I was just sending these kids something. What was the
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: ticket for illegal means a take I think illegal casting
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: out in bass? Yeah uh um. So I notice in
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: the the video footage the kids wearing a first light hat.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: Oh really yeah? Uh care him? Is his name? K A.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: R U M and his buddy writer were the two kids,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: and uh, I reach out to the father, right. I
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: don't want to reach out to the fourteen year old
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: kid without talking to his folks first. Um, and the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: guys like, hey, thank you so much for reaching out.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: There's some folks on social media that are calling the
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: kids a bunch of names. They're taking it pretty hard.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: And then some of them names for what for turning
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: the guy in? It was the guy that the guy
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: thrown the bass back in the lake, they would have
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: turned him in. Yeah yeah. The part of the concert. Uh.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: Conversation I had with the dad uh was fun though too,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: because he's like, yeah, they're taking it pretty hard. They're
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're out fishing right now. But so the
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: kids like their fishing and they're protecting their fishing horn.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: And I just wanted to throw that story out and
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: see what what the general sentiment was around this table
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: as to uh, just just the whole thing as far
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: as like, I think we should send those kids some stuff. Man.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: But it's a job well done. I mean they gave
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: an adult. They're checking out there, looking out for the
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: resource man the predator husbands is praying and they're pretty
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: educated on the whole system, which is impressive. You know. Um,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: they're acting more responsible than a lot of adults would
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: have acted. And if the story played out like you're
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: talking about, if the dude had been like oh man, dude, sorry,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: throw the bass back, we'll be talking about Well, it
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: seems like that guy had like a system, like you
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: don't just run out of your car with a cast
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: that like huh, I wonder what will happen? Like he's
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: got it coming. Man, it sounds like you might have
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: been doing some bucket biology. Oh yeah, that's interested stock
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: in his own ponds somewhere else. Um, I we should
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: send some of those kids. He had a first light hit. Yeah,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: I can't find any faults or any holes like with
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: the story rating the dude out, But like again I
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't there. He right, so I can see like, oh,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: it's bad to wrap somebody out. I can see someone
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: making that argument. But if if the dudes is getting
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: testy with them. What are they supposed to do? Fight them? Well?
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: And that's things like this is a full blown adult.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: And you look at these these kids, and I hope
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: you guys don't get embarrassed on this one. But they're like,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: you know, a little skinny havn't quite uh you know,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: beefed up yet. I haven't either, Yeah, you know, Steve
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: hasn't either. But and then the other cool thing, the
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: cool part of this is they're a good Samaritan steps forward.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: Uh grogis I think is this guy's name? Um? And
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: he recalls his own terrible experience with an adult fishing
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: as a kid, where some guy lost his temper and
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: he recalls not ever even wanting to go back to
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: that whole lake. And so he got a hold these
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: two kids bottom uh Oklahoma lifetime fishing license a piece, yeah,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: and uh a gift card to Cabellas or bass Pro
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: or something. Yes. Yeah. And that's the way you should act,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: not tormenting these kids because they did the right thing,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: especially if you like to fish. That's interesting, that's a lovely,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: heartwarming story. Is that. I just don't think it was
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: a concluder. It's not. It doesn't fit into usually what
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: a concluder is like another talking point. Yeah, I know,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to hear what you guys, have you
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: ever been like watch this. I'll be like, uh, man,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: I just want to say, cal that that stuff you
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: were talking about earlier. Um, that warms my heart, buddy.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: That's well, I don't have a concluder. I like the
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: story cows a good way to end the day. Oh man, Yeah,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: I wish we had a great uplifting story like that
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: on the show Man. That's like I asked a few questions. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: I told him. I wrote this up on the Weekend
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: review podcast that Cols we can review coals. We can
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: review best thing on the internet. I'm like, just type
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: that and you'll pullp Cols. We can review those those
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, those boys can fish with me. Uh last
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: quick thing listening? We else got any that I've come
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: to a thing on puffballs? Mm hmm. I'm like, it's
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: hard to see something in the woods it's edible and
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: not pick it. I saw it, I grabbed it. Man,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: But you're not having good luck with him. I'm almost
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: gonna I have yet to eat in my life, and
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: I've made a fair number of them if you have
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: to eat a puffball. Rouse there night we're eating those
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: morals and you're like, damn, those are good. Dah, they're good.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Hand in the woods Man. That's good. It's so good.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Bleats so good. Yeah, what are the orange ones? Sweet mother?
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: It's just good. You're patting yourself on the back. Good
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: job picking that out. Every time every time I eat
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: a puff ball, every time someone picks a puff ball,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: every time someone makes me a puffball pizza, it doesn't
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: matter what it is. I'm always like, yeah, yeah, for sure,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: it's edible and it's not bad, but it's not bad. Yeah,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: you don't have to pick them up, morrel. You're not
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: gonna walk away from They're just like very complimentary to
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: whatever you're making, like on a burger in the Steaks
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: us something like that, but like you're not gonna eat
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: it on its own as an appetizer. We found two
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: giant puff balls. I'd say not the size of a
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: normal head, but the size of cow's head. I got
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: that bigger, smaller than a normal No, like a puff
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: ball the size of spencer's head. Now that's a puff ball.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: That's a big puff but a puffball the size of
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: like cow's heads, about the size of a softball. Yeah,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: puff ball like that. But what I can't remember it
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: was it had like this one had met metallic kind
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: of Brody picked a nice one, but then we let
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: it sit a couple of days and it got a
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: little s out, but it wasn't like it's the white shot.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: But then but then me, my boy picked one that
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: was like firm, nice, like any puff ball is edible,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Like any puffballs edible. If you cut it open um
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: and it's white inside, it's fine. Eventually they turn darker, darker,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: darker black, and then you can squeeze him and you know,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: the spores shoot up in the air. It looks like
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: a smoke bomb at Fourth of July, but coming on
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: white cutt into slices. I can't remember what we did.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: We wanted to, like, I think we just put it
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: on foil on a grill shipload of olive oil, which
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: makes anything be okay. And in the end it was
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: like you couldn't. Kids didn't like it, kind of pasty
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: in the middle. It's like tofuie. Yeah, kind of dune
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: with those sons of bitches. That's all folks. Come on,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: I got oh no, go ahead, give the counterpoint. It's
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: like one of those shows like point counterpoint. Oh no,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm with you. I'm I think I think
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: puff balls for burgers are aware of a hat because
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: I just do like garlic butter, and then I have
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: the puff balls all sliced up in there, and he
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: just laid on top of burger and just laying on
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: top of burger, and and nobody and a lot of
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: times I'll do bacon burgers and then be when folks
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: aren't looking, I'll be transferring that bacon grease into the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: butter dish. Also, nobody's walking away from one of those
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: puffball mushrooms, right, It's like and it winds up being good,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: but like, okay, let me ask you why though, Oh,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, because you've doctored it all up, I winds
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: up being like fun to eat the mushroom. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. I think their their nickname is like
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: the breakfast mushroom, because what you should do with the
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: puff ball is like tossing an omelet, toss it with eggs,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: put in a burrito something like that. How can you
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: say that its nickname is the breakfast mushroom? But then
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: say that it's not a widely held belief that pine
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: squirrels bite the knots off all the squirrels. You got
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: me there? Maybe like one person called it the breakfast mushroom.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I love putting the truth about breakfast mushrooms.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: Are you typing in breakfast mushroom, Junie, I'm gonna type
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: in puffball mushroom nicknames. See what happens, Spencer's It's gonna
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: be all right. Who else got a concluder? I'm good.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: I like Cal's story. I can't. Yeah, I'm sorry to
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  Speaker 1: top it. I wanna make a defense in my breakfast
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  Speaker 1: mushroom thing here real quick. That's a good concluder from
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  Speaker 1: from while I have another concluder yet, so this one
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  Speaker 1: doesn't count this up? Uh? From the book Wild About Mushrooms,
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  Speaker 1: the cookbook of the Micological Society of San Francisco, they
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  Speaker 1: say some people refer to puffballs as breakfast mushrooms because
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  Speaker 1: they blend so well with eggs. Okay, that seems definitive
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  Speaker 1: enough to me. Okay, so you're my concluder. Was that's wrong?
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: I'm convinced that a recent episode had the best, most
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: unexpected thing ever said on it that I heard over
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Quarantine recent episode of what of the Meat Eater podcast
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  Speaker 1: this very show, Yes is something you said? No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I've been I've been. I've been catching over here something
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: I read on a blood Spencer new the best most
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: unexpected thing I've ever heard on the Meat Eater podcast. Um,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: I've been catching up Quarantine and I've thought about this
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: once a day, I swear to you since I heard it,
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  Speaker 1: but I haven't seen you guys because of social distancing
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: to bring it up. But in episode two eighteen, Kevin Murphy,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: I was talking to you guys, and if I were
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: introducing one of you, if I were like introducing Brodie
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  Speaker 1: to somebody who didn't know Brodie, I'd be like, this
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: is my buddy, Brodie. He just moved here from Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know that a little shi, Yeah,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: like this is my buddy. Honest. Uh he used to
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: guide elk hunters something like that. Like that's that's just
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: like a pretty normal introduction. Kevin Murphy blindsided you guys
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: with something that I think you were so caught off
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: guard you didn't even address it. But Kevin Murphy said, uh,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: does he listen to this podcast. Oh, probably not. I
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to here he does not. Okay, well,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna need to reach out anyway. He's to like
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: put a ball on this. But he said something about
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: that was with my buddy Raymond, and Raymond doesn't let
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: me go into gentlemen's clubs in foreign countries. And then
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: he just moved on from there. Never never brought it
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: back to that. It had nothing to do with the
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: rest of the two hours that you guys talked, But
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: that was his footnote on his buddy rain Like, if
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: you want to know what kind of guy Raymond, Yes,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: he does not let you go into gentleman's clubs and
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: foreign countries. So yeah, you're like, okay, so he's he's coolheaded,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: he thinks ahead, he doesn't get carried away in the moment,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for something to come back to that
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: story or like how is this relevant? And it never happened,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: and it it's bothered me because I tell him telling you,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: I thought about it every single day. I can see
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: that a little bit because I certainly caught that when
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: he said it, and the thing that came to mind
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: to me I was like, well, Kevin, to me, that
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: says that you were on your way to a gentleman's
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: club in a foreign country and your body thought better
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: of it and he stopped you. You know it. So
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: I kind of kind of said a little bit about Kevin,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: which I don't know if he got a service background,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: merchant mery and or something like that. I just want
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: to know what inspired like that specific footnote. There has
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: to be some sort of back and ask him and
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: you can report back to us. Do you even recall
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: that being said, Steve? No, But like I feel like
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to, like if I have someone on, sometimes
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: i'll have someone and I'll go back and listen because
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a lot of things in my
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: head hosting m HM. And the thing with Kevin two
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: man he uh he uh has the gift of gab
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: and it flows thought to the next and one idea
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: to the next pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah, well we can
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: follow up on that keeping you up at night. Huh.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the this is you got one too? Oh
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: you still got a concluder though I gave it. I
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: gave Spencer month, so you got one. But I'm gonna
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: do a story for a concluder about going to gentleman's
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: clubs in foreign countries. I Uh, one time I was
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: working on this magazine story and I had to go
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: to the Santiago and Chile and I just started dating
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: my wife and I brought her with me, and I uh,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: we had hired a guy I needed needed to hire,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: like a translator and someone to help out with stuff. Um,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: And so I said, man, I really want to get
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, and he said, well, how about
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: a coffee with legs? And I thought he meant like
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: a strong coffee. So I'm like, yeah, what other kind
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: is there? Right? Or whatever the hell I said. I'm like,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: I would like that's what I thought he meant. But no,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: what do you mean means? Is he takes us to
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: this like underground arcade in Santiago and it's uh coffee
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: shops that our staffed by naked women. So, and it's
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: businessmen doing business meetings. It's black, there's black lights. It's
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: full of like businessmen at eleven in the morning having
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: meetings and you're being waited on and served coffee by
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: nude women. And so I'm with my wife and so
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: I'm trying very hard to not look at anything. I'm
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: just like not looking at anything. All three of you
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: want to get a coffee. There, Me, the translator, and
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: my wife are sitting very awkwardly, and he's like, isn't
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: it great? Isn't it great? You know? And I'm sitting
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: there like I'm not looking, I'm not doing anything. And
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: I had my notebook out because I was taking some notes.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: And eventually my wife took my notebook and she drew
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: a picture in it. And I looked and it was
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: a woman. It was a picture of a woman holding
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: a pair of scissors and a man's scrolled them gentleman's
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: clubs in foreign countries. Man, go ahead, Johnny, I'll let you.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: I'll let it end on that I was. I didn't
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: have one. I gave a dispenser. I said, what was yours?
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: H No, you said that was the thought. The puff
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: ball thing was me doing a follow up. The concluder
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: was that Kevin Murphy had the greatest most unexpected line
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: your podcast history. Okay, Phil helps out here now, now
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Phil the engineer, please provide a concluder so we can
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: wrap her up. Yet one minute, Well, I was just
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: gonna I was actually gonna try to cut you guys
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: off because I thought the picture of your wife drew
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: into the laughter. Bring the music up. That's that's the
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: end of the podcast. Go ahead and do that, Phil,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. Is it too late? No? Can we
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: talk about this and then have that happened and you
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: can we can talk about its going to hear what
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: we're talking about. Let's say, let's you played this and
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: then did what you would have done right and show
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: that you were right. Sound okay, I would do that.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: Now back up and do what you would have done right. Okay,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: here we go. Here comes men, folks. It was a
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: picture of a woman holding a pair of scissors and
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: a man scrolled them Gentlemen's clubs and Foreign Conscience Man