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The State of the Media · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: My name is Alex Cox, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 2: To provide more cooling in the containment chambers.
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  Speaker 3: To your sentience, we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the trouble with the world, sir, about it.
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  Speaker 3: People got different ideas concerning what they want out of life.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian,
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  Speaker 2: and joining me once again via the magic of the
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  Speaker 2: internet is.
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  Speaker 4: Sammy D.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no, that guy.
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  Speaker 4: It's the optimistic version. Not that guy. It's the optimistic mod.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, knowing you, that's very optimistic for you.
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  Speaker 4: Sammy D, everybody. Oh, no. We got to restart.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm kind of liking this, like, old
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  Speaker 2: school DJ action. Like a Wolfman Jack. Hey, what's up?
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  Speaker 2: Sammy D spinning tunes for you.
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  Speaker 4: The episode is already unlistenable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we start off, off the rails, you know, that's,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like having rails, so, you know, I just
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  Speaker 2: like to, you know, shove the train right over into
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  Speaker 2: the dirt.
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  Speaker 4: There we go, off the cliff, there we go. Okay, man, yeah, yeah, hey, Sam, here, hi, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Um, how's it going?
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  Speaker 4: It's going good, man. What is happening over there, dude?
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  Speaker 2: Uh surviving surviving that's what as we were like deciding
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  Speaker 2: to put one together i was like do we talk
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  Speaker 2: about a specific thing and i was like you weren't
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  Speaker 2: totally sold on that either so i was like how
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  Speaker 2: about we just i mean we've gotten through the holiday
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  Speaker 2: we've gotten through that other holiday we've kicked off a
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  Speaker 2: whole new year so i'm like how about we just
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  Speaker 2: do a generalized rambling session is actually what ours usually
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  Speaker 2: are but also just generalized in the sort of state
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  Speaker 2: of affairs that the world is in. Okay, maybe not
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  Speaker 2: the whole world. Maybe the entertainment world we should focus on.
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  Speaker 4: The Venezuela cast.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Lord. Probably don't want to go down that road.
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  Speaker 2: At least take a look at the world as a
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  Speaker 2: whole and where we've gone this past year and where
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  Speaker 2: we're headed into the future. A bunch of dumb thoughts
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  Speaker 2: in between. I figured that's where we would land in
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  Speaker 2: this ramble fest.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good, that's a good, I forget that it's
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  Speaker 4: the new year and that, yeah, there could be like
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  Speaker 4: some pensive retrospection over the last 2025 of like in
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  Speaker 4: pop culture or like what we've viewed or what we noticed.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great idea. That's a great idea.
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  Speaker 2: I don't normally do that myself at the end of
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  Speaker 2: any year because I feel like on a daily basis,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing that. I'm just like, Every day is, what
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  Speaker 2: am I doing with my life? So, like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: need to wait until I get to December or January
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  Speaker 2: to do that. Like, every day is like, oh, God,
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  Speaker 2: what's going on? I mean, so this will be a
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  Speaker 2: novelty for me. I'm like, oh, once a year. We'll
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  Speaker 2: pretend like it's, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, different now. Yeah, there we go. There we go.
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  Speaker 4: A little status check. A little, what do you call it?
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  Speaker 4: Taking stock. Oh, man, this might be the really depressing episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Never. Not our episode. Sammy D! Anyway. So, where
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  Speaker 2: to begin?
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  Speaker 4: Where to begin? For real, for real. I had a.
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  Speaker 2: Few random things that have come up lately that I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: that's a nice little snapshot of the world we're living in.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, go for it.
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  Speaker 2: So, um... One of them was, and this, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you saw this, I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: officially become a meme. Like originally I saw it as
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  Speaker 2: like a post, but then I saw another person completely
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  Speaker 2: disconnected from the original person post kind of the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, maybe this is just its own secondary
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  Speaker 2: meme taking on a life of its own sort of
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  Speaker 2: a thing. But there was a girl that i think
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  Speaker 2: the original one was like i'm guessing 20 ish girl
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  Speaker 2: that posted something along the lines of i've never seen
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  Speaker 2: a black and white movie what should i watch and
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  Speaker 2: i was like first of all i was because that's
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  Speaker 2: why i had to click on i was like how
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  Speaker 2: fucking old are you when you've never seen a black
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  Speaker 2: and white movie first of all was my original annoyance
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  Speaker 2: but then on top of that i was like all
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  Speaker 2: right she looks like a 20 something i guess that
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  Speaker 2: could happen if you're like a normal mainstream ass person
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  Speaker 2: you could probably go to your 20 and not see
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  Speaker 2: a black and white movie especially kids now that don't
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  Speaker 2: seek out movies the way that I certainly did as
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  Speaker 2: a child. So yeah, I don't know. What are your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on the concept of that? I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: we want to pick what's your favorite one to start with.
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  Speaker 2: Cause again, I was more annoyed and like floored by
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  Speaker 2: the concept of the question than the actual, Oh, let
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  Speaker 2: me give you a suggestion. No, no.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, dude, I think this is old man rage bait. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: This is, This is going like, look at me, I'm
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  Speaker 4: so young, and I've never even seen a black and
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  Speaker 4: white movie. I think it's supposed to just make people
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  Speaker 4: our age angry, and that's all I can say. I
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  Speaker 4: think they're trying to get enragement fuels engagement. And I
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  Speaker 4: think they're just trying to make those angry old men angrier.
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  Speaker 2: Knowing the internet, I would think that's what it was.
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  Speaker 2: What's weird is when I clicked on the comments, people
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  Speaker 2: were just suggesting stuff. Like, it was normal. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like, maybe it's a bunch of other 20-year-olds going, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I saw this one. You should watch this one. So
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  Speaker 2: maybe it was just people of the similar mindset that
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  Speaker 2: were like connecting with a, yeah, this movie is almost
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  Speaker 2: tolerable even though there's no color. Like, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised it was a bunch of movie suggestions
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  Speaker 2: with no judgment, which I had nothing but judgment. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of shocked.
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  Speaker 4: So, so maybe it's like a real thing where people
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  Speaker 4: have not seen black and white movies before.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe is that possible this i maybe she was earnest
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  Speaker 2: in her hey give me a suggestion i am ignorant
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  Speaker 2: but i want information like i don't i don't buy
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  Speaker 2: any of this but i'm suggesting it as a possible
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  Speaker 2: thing that could happen but it could happen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah you know there's those memes where they go like
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  Speaker 4: uh Let's see this girl describe the plot of Star Wars.
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  Speaker 4: And it just fuels the incel rage against non.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was one of the more entertaining things
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  Speaker 2: that ever happened. No one remembers that episode, I'm sure, but...
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  Speaker 2: Rose was adorable and she was a guest years ago
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  Speaker 2: and she had never seen, like literally she was a
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  Speaker 2: like early twenties girl and had never seen Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: So listening to her try to describe it through her
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  Speaker 2: pop cultural osmosis, I was just like, ah, that was adorable. So,
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  Speaker 2: so it's fun. It's, you know, I am okay with
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  Speaker 2: that as a concept, but again, I feel like it's, it's,
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  Speaker 2: harder to be disconnected from at least the basic way
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  Speaker 2: that pop culture infiltrates society now you know it's like
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  Speaker 2: it would be hard to not know what a yoda
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  Speaker 2: is because baby yoda is plastered all over everything so
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  Speaker 2: like every store you go in has 14 different products
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  Speaker 2: with baby yoda so like it's it would be hard
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  Speaker 2: to be disconnected from at least the overall scope of
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  Speaker 2: what this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Is But a black and white movie, though. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that kind of just.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're going back pretty far, truthfully. It's
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  Speaker 2: not even like Star Wars. Star Wars is the 70s.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Black and white was already gated by the 70s, so... Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Going way back there. Most people don't go more than, like,
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  Speaker 2: five years and stuff's old, so... Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 4: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: I think we gotta put it in scope of, like,
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  Speaker 2: normal people, not us.
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  Speaker 4: Got it. Got it. We're, you know... Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. There was.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was going like, I was thinking the
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  Speaker 4: other day about The Fly, as you do, and then
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  Speaker 4: you go like, well, the first one was 1958, and
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  Speaker 4: I go like, well, 1958, it doesn't seem like that
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  Speaker 4: old now to me.
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  Speaker 2: You are an old man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so 1958 to 1986, I mean, that's less than.
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  Speaker 2: 30 years ago.
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  Speaker 4: And and then I go like, well, when did the
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  Speaker 4: 90s happen?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I like that you have to question that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then you go like, oh, so it would be
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  Speaker 4: like them basically remaking a movie from the 90s now, which,
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  Speaker 4: you know, everybody got all upset, you know, when they
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  Speaker 4: started doing that back a few years back, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when that cycle ran. So then I go like, oh, oh.
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  Speaker 4: it really wasn't that uh and so yeah time is
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  Speaker 4: weird time is i think i think the what that
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  Speaker 4: comment makes me think of is just how weird time
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  Speaker 4: is and that yeah black and white movies were probably
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  Speaker 4: dated i know my stepdad used to go like uh
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  Speaker 4: go like, well, had they had color... He was pro-colorization
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  Speaker 4: of movies. He was going like, had they had color,
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  Speaker 4: they would have.
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  Speaker 2: Ed Turner's favorite son.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. They would have shot it in color had
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  Speaker 4: they had color film. And I'm going, maybe? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe it was just a... I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It makes my head spin a little bit. See, I
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  Speaker 4: was just raised on a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: It's weird. Brian is weird. It's bubbling up all sorts
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  Speaker 4: of emotions for me that people don't watch black and
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  Speaker 4: white movies. Uh, it's just, uh.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a concept. I don't even know how to describe
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  Speaker 2: to a kid today. There were TVs that were just that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't get color on it. It was a black
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  Speaker 2: and white television. I don't think you could make that
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  Speaker 2: make sense to a kid.
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  Speaker 4: Brian, I do something at the house. Uh, And, uh,
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  Speaker 4: I find, uh, no, this is just sad. All right.
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  Speaker 4: Now this is just like the, the, the spectrum I'm on.
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  Speaker 4: I find any movie is good. If you turn off
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  Speaker 4: the color and play your own soundtrack and just watch
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  Speaker 4: it like a silent movie.
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  Speaker 2: All right. I just like some sort of art house band. Yeah. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to play my cool music, and you guys
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  Speaker 2: are going to watch this old-timey movie behind me, and
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  Speaker 2: you're going to think that we're super deep because of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen many a good show that I like that
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  Speaker 2: was that, actually. That's it.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. Well, you can really, like... Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sounding so douchey. But you can just really appreciate...
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  Speaker 4: You can... it helps if you've seen the movie, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 4: but you can really sort of see like how the
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  Speaker 4: movie is just told visually, if you turn off the
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  Speaker 4: sound and just play your own music that you like,
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  Speaker 4: you know? Um, and, uh, I appreciate, I go like
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  Speaker 4: this movie is okay, but if you turn off the
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  Speaker 4: sound and, and you know, the black and white is
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  Speaker 4: take or leave it. All right. I will try to watch, uh,
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  Speaker 4: Howling 2 the other day with the sound off in
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  Speaker 4: the black and white. He's a genius, I tell you.
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  Speaker 2: A genius.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I was doing that test.
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of field testing Howling 2 these days. And
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  Speaker 4: I was going like, okay, this doesn't really... I played
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  Speaker 4: goth music and turned it black and white. And I
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  Speaker 4: guess it's called Dark Wave. Anyway, and so I was listening...
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  Speaker 4: And I was watching, I go like, actually in this one,
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  Speaker 4: this one here is so 1985 that the garish colors
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  Speaker 4: actually are part of the storytelling. So yeah, I had
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  Speaker 4: to turn it back up, but I watched like some
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  Speaker 4: other stuff and I go like, you know, this is
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  Speaker 4: better black and white. And with, uh, you know, 140
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  Speaker 4: beat music playing.
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  Speaker 2: You need Howling 2 and K-pop. That's what you need.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 4: And I just recently watched all the black and white
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  Speaker 4: mummy movies. So I'm sort of indoctrinated into, uh, black
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  Speaker 4: and white, you know, I don't know. I've just been
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  Speaker 4: watching so much of it lately and kind of prefer it.
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  Speaker 4: And in fact, like, uh, Del Toro on Hulu released
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  Speaker 4: the black and white version of, uh, nightmare alley. And it's, uh,
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  Speaker 4: Freaking beautiful. I mean, it's just a great way to
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  Speaker 4: watch that movie. And the Godzilla minus zero in black
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  Speaker 4: and white is the only way I've seen it. And
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  Speaker 4: it's a beautiful movie.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I thought was weird about that question. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I don't know that one or the other,
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  Speaker 2: like you either... it black and white or you don't
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  Speaker 2: like i don't think what i'm like my only question
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  Speaker 2: was i don't know wizard of oz because it eases
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  Speaker 2: you in right it's like right here's a little black
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  Speaker 2: and white and then a whole bunch of color like
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  Speaker 2: so maybe it's like because you're crossing that boundary you
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  Speaker 2: can you know pleasant bill i don't know what something
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  Speaker 2: that bridges the for you but i was like other
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  Speaker 2: than that like why one black and white movie over
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  Speaker 2: another either you like it or you don't, or you
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  Speaker 2: get it or you don't. Like, I don't, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. It was weird. I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand this question really.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, look, there's like, whatchamacallit. Okay, so this is just
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  Speaker 4: an old man rant. Okay, well, okay, yes, I agree
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  Speaker 4: that black and white movies, for a person who, you know,
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  Speaker 4: was born post-2000, a black and white movie is an
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  Speaker 4: ancient artifact probably to them. So I can see how
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  Speaker 4: they would see it like, it'd be like reading the
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  Speaker 4: Old Testament. You know, it's like, what relevance does this
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  Speaker 4: have at all in my life?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, that's my question all the time. I question religion
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  Speaker 2: way more than black and white movies. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean, if people are like rejecting religion nowadays
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  Speaker 4: as having no relevance, I mean, surely then a black
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  Speaker 4: and white movie is next on the chopping block.
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  Speaker 2: And we're like, that's for me. Burn them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so it's like, uh, uh, no, it's, it's,
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  Speaker 4: so it's bonkers, but you know, it's, uh, it saddens me,
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  Speaker 4: but it, uh, but I get it. I get it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I, I probably, when I was, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 4: a kid, I would say like, oh, it's black and white.
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  Speaker 4: This is probably stodgy and boring, you know, but, uh,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, I was also raised, I mean, we
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  Speaker 4: had young Frankenstein playing on the loop in our house.
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  Speaker 4: So it was always there, and I was always watching, like,
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  Speaker 4: the Universal stuff. And, I mean, black and white movies
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  Speaker 4: were just in circulation still, you know?
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  Speaker 2: It was still a somewhat regular thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But also, I think, if you are a movie person, like,
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  Speaker 2: you delve into those, and you're like, oh, there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot going on back then. So it's like, even
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  Speaker 2: stuff that you... we'll kind of write off of like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be sort of old timey, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as a feeling. Sometimes you'll hit that movie and like, whoa, no,
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  Speaker 2: this is very like locked in and relevant to me
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  Speaker 2: right now, even though it was shot, you know, 70
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  Speaker 2: years ago. So like sometimes the stories are way more
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  Speaker 2: modern than you would expect really.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, dude, I did a whole, I did a whole
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  Speaker 4: thing on mummy movies. All right. um brian uh movie
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: meltdown is is always my number one podcast okay but
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  Speaker 4: i've got kind of a side chick here.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you i know i thought i knew you
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  Speaker 2: i mean i listen to other ones so what am
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  Speaker 2: i gonna.
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  Speaker 4: Say yeah yeah yeah no it's i am.
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  Speaker 2: Very picky as time going has gone on though i'm
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  Speaker 2: like I can't listen to this one. So I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I get why people pick and choose what they do.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody from my Georgia State days started one. So they
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  Speaker 4: asked me to pinch hit or something like that. So
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  Speaker 4: they were doing the mummy movies, right? And so I
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  Speaker 4: watched all these mummy movies from the Universal kit. Because
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  Speaker 4: I have the Blu-ray set. And so I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I will never watch these. So this gives me an
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  Speaker 4: excuse to watch my mummy movies. But I was shocked.
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  Speaker 4: at these throwaway mummy movies, not the Boris Karloff one,
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  Speaker 4: but the ones they made later, they're all kind of interchangeable.
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  Speaker 2: I remember I really liked The Mummy's Hand. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: remember late night television laying there watching that one going,
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  Speaker 2: this is fun, I like this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. The Mummy, well, yeah, so The Mummy movies, though,
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  Speaker 4: when you watch them with a critical eye nowadays, they're
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  Speaker 4: very relevant to the day. And actually, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if it's just you projecting stuff into it,
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  Speaker 4: but they were all made during wartime. And so what
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  Speaker 4: they're kind of saying about like America attitudes to like,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: you know, a foreign threat is really kind of real interesting.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: And there's real interesting like kind of propaganda moments where
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: this guy gets drafted and they go like, oh, isn't
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: it great that you've gotten drafted? He's like, oh, yeah,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: finally get away from these bullies. boring uh problems at
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: home and can actually make a difference you know that
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: kind of that kind of dialogue you know.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: That's how everybody goes into that situation that's it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: That's it right it was like a party it was
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: like a celebration you know um so uh so yeah
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: no so these these old movies as we're saying they're
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: just uh they're just uh uh yeah it's amazing what
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: it's amazing how much things haven't changed, you know, and, uh,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: the problems that they're facing or the themes of these
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: old movies are, are still very relevant in a lot
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: of ways, you know? And, uh, but yeah, it kind
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: of blows my mind that, uh, that they are, uh,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: that black and white is maybe being rediscovered, which is,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: which is great. I mean, it kind of, the, the, the,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: the shock that somebody hasn't seen one is, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: it's like, what? You know, because, I mean, Brian, we're just, like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: completely immersed in movies. So, I mean, it's like.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And geek culture, specifically movie geek culture, like, those are, like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a place of honor. Like, these are the old classics. And, like,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: we treat them that way if you're really a movie person. So, like, yeah,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: it changes that whole way that you look at things. Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: And, and so I'll just throw this out. Uh, cause
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: you know, there's a, there's a push nowadays to, of
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: like my, uh, people, people I know who like to
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: make their own little films and, There's a push nowadays
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: to shoot things vertically.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. This bugs me so much.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you, dude. It makes me insane. It
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: makes me insane.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Because I've tried to film things lately just to start
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: putting on streams to have something to post. And, again,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: mine don't involve actual humans. Right. Right. Because you have
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to choose the format that you're saving things in and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: posting them in. And I'm like, if you do it
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the way it's supposed to be, it won't work right
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: on specific types of content. apps and shit like i'm
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: just like it's so frustrating because i'm like but i
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: don't want it like this i'm the artist damn it
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: i should get to do it the way i want
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and like you can do you want to post it
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: over here well then you got to do it stupid
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: make up your mind which do you want do you
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: want to post it or do you want to have
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: it look stupid these are your options so i yeah
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: i get what you're saying but but continue because yeah
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: i feel the pain Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: So it's, uh, so, you know, there's like talks about,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's like vertically shot film festivals being created
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: and there's whole like, uh, channels of, they're kind of
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: like Telemundo, uh, uh, you know, like Spanish speaking soap
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: opera channels where they're just like these little, uh, minute
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: long episodes shot vertically of kind of like, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: soap opera type plots, you know? And, uh, it gets
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: a lot of attention and I'm like, please, you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: and I remember like a few years, I mean, it
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: was probably five years ago. Uh, there was like some, uh,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: streaming short film channel that had Spielberg and, uh, like
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: some big names behind it and it didn't work, but
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: you know, they, they shot everything to be able to
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: be watched vertically or, you know, landscape, you know, uh, And,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: you know, Joe Dante on his podcast was just like...
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: You know, he was mad.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine him being upset about new modern things.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: You know he's mad.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: He's so open-minded about things.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to live in the olden days of film. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wait,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: we all share that. Never mind.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: So I think it's like... So it kind of drives
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: me crazy. Because, I mean, what are they going to...
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Are they going to start making vertical movie theaters? Or
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: is just like a lot of.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: You know, is a lot of like, are they just
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: going to like a lot of the screen real estate
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: going to be?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: The fancy ones have the screens that move in, you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the curtains move in on the side anyway, depending on
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: what aspect ratio you're in. So I guess we're all
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: going to see. That's the thing. Years ago, I had
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: someone that used to listen to the show. And like
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the first time I heard it described, they were like, oh,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: they soda canned it. So you're looking at your video,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and it's the shape of a soda can instead of
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a widescreen movie theater. And I was like, ever since then,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's not the way you shoot something.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: No, that's not the way it should be done.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: That's not the aesthetic you want to go for. But
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I guess, again, maybe that's a generational thing. Maybe kids
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: that have done nothing but. See things, they only watch
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: things on their phone, and you're only shooting, if you
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: bother to shoot things, you're shooting it with your phone,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and they're so used to holding it that way, seeing
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it that way, that that's the only way that makes sense,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I guess? Like, I don't know, it doesn't process to me,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, I also came from a different era,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: so like, I'm, Trying to at least throw that out as, like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a reason behind it. I still don't like it. Like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to at least wrap my head around why.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Why would you do that? But if you don't know
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: anything else, like, I guess it makes sense. Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: No, it makes me crazy. And, okay, so I can,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I had a, I did a little acting thing in
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: a short film that a buddy of mine did. And
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: he shot it vertically. And I was going like, what
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: are you doing? But he shot it all on his
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: iPhones and, uh, you know, did a really good job
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: with it and it looks good. And, you know, uh,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: he cut it and it's a, it's a cool little flick.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: He did shoot it vertically and I was going like,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: so I had to like deal with my prejudice of it. Um,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: and I would say, uh, what it did well was like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: close-ups you know like.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: That's what i realized with the thing i was doing
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: is like well it makes everything closer but also you're
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: losing this again i'm back to explaining letterbox to people
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden but i'm shooting something over here
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: on the right hand side and you can't see it
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: now because it's out of the frame like right i.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Don't know yeah i know it's like everything's pan and
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: scan again you.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Know i know it's like we're back to the old
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: days i'm like i i almost strangled people back in
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the old days when they're like, no, it cuts off
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the sides of the movie. I'm like, no, it doesn't.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: That's the whole point of it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Don't you guys, dude, does anybody not remember Anchor Bay?
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, who am I?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Has anyone watched something on regular television back in the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: old days when they had nothing else? They had to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: paint and scan everything, and you're like, what are we
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: zooming around for? Like, what is this? Because you're trying
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to make sense of stuff on a giant horizontal screen,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and you've got this square box to put it in.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, why is this guy talking to somebody's nose?
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Why did they frame it
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: that way?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: And now you see like, yeah, movie clips being shown
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: on Instagram and it is just pan and scan again,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: you know, because they're not going to play it at
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: the right ratio. Oh man, it's just film nerd rage.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: So I think it's, I think, look, if people want
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: to shoot their movies vertically, please do it. Prove me,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: you know, prove me wrong. You know, but I mean,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: do it. If you see artistic, you know, license in it,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: the little thing I did, acted in i i saw
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: the i saw the benefits of it but it is
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: like such a leap i've been so trained not to
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: see it that way i see it as like pandering
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: to the where the technology is going and like people
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: should just uh learn to watch movies the right way.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: It seems like such a challenge like just because like
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: staging action. I'm like, it makes sense when you go
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: widescreen because you've got stuff over here, stuff over here.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: If you're doing that, but especially now, because phones like
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: they've gotten longer than like even your old school aspect
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: ratio changes. So like now, unless you're like the entire
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: plot of what you're doing is about an airplane way
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: over here in the background of the top of your screen.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Like what else is going on? That's so far above
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the heads of people that you still need in frame. Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't seem the way you would frame shooting
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a normal scene, unless it's something weird that you need
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: extra head space.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And if you frame it down on them, then you've
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: got this, I don't know, it just seems like it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: laid out all wrong for a normal scene that you
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: would set up.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Agreed, agreed. And it's like, yeah, as I said, it's
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: great for a close-up. If you want somebody's face to
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: fill the entire frame... and see every little twitch and
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: pore and nuance, because that's what it was designed for, for, like,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: But even then, you've got either a big empty spot
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: above their head, or you've got their entire torso that
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you're now also half kind of zooming in on, because
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that's the ratio. Like, it just doesn't, like, where otherwise
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: you could zoom in on their face and have other
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: characters there, or something going on in the background. But, like,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: now you're either so zoomed in that you're just this
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: little vertical... stripe bump in the middle of their face.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like, it's so weird.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: It's, it's so weird. It's so weird. I'll send you
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the link of that, that short film. You'll see like
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: just from the first shot, how, how that was like, uh,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: kind of cool. But the rest of it, you, I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: he did great with it. He did great with it,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: but it was just, uh, it is like, I mean,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: can you imagine Halloween like shot vertically? Yeah.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, everything, anything I'm trying to put in that spot,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, but no, that would mess up the whole thing. Like,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. And again, maybe it's just my
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: brain is locked in decades of old stuff that I
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: don't know how, but a kid that's never seen anything
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: but their phone, like that's all they watch is their phone. Like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: why would it be different? You know, like, I don't know.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't get it. But again, maybe we're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the dinosaurs here. Maybe we're the dying breed.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think we are men of a
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: certain age who think movies should look a certain way
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: or we prefer it a certain way. And so a
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: vertically shot movie is an athema to us. It's probably
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: not the right word. But if the culture is moving
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: towards vertically shot movies, I would say, yeah, a black
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: and white movie.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: In black and white. Vertical black and white movie would
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: make someone, both parties' heads explode. The old people would
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: be like, why is it shot like that? And then
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: kids would be like, where did the color go? So
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: no one's going to be happy with that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: But it seems like everybody knows Instagram filters. I mean,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: there is a black and white filter for your.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: All the artsy stuff. People are like, look how cool
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I look here in my fancy sepia tone.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: We did a... For Christmas, we did the.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: We did like a dollar store run. But they sold
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: like little... They had film cameras, you know, like little
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: cheap ones and they had black and white film. And
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: so I know my 14 year old bought like three
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: rolls of black and white film and, uh, uh, a
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: snap camera. All right. And so it was cool. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: got to show, uh, how to load it and, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: advance it and blah, blah, blah. It was real simple,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: you know, but I haven't loaded a film camera probably
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: in a decade, you know?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: True. I mean, I have a 35 millimeter camera sitting
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: around somewhere, but I would not tell you the last
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: time I put film in it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely. I still have my old, old Pentax one
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: that I got in college.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And, uh, man, I had a one 10. You remember
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the one tens? I had a long one 10 that
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I love. Cause you could shove it in your back pocket.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I'm a guy, so I'm not carrying a bag with
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: me all the time. So it was the only one
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that you could just shove in your pocket and take places.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: And I think about that sometimes. Like, man, I took
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that so many different... Again, I didn't go that many places.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: But anytime I went somewhere to take photos, I had
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: that camera on me. And then it just quit working
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and I had to buy a good camera or whatever.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It's not like those were fancy, but... Yeah, I remember
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: how much, like, use I got out of that cheap
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: 110 camera for music.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, dude. Absolutely. Yeah, and you had 12 shots, you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: or 24, you know, and.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Big money, 36 sometimes.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, big money. Or, you know, and if you
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: spend money, more money for, like, you know, faster film,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: you know, so you could, you know, not have to
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: be shot in, like, beautiful blue sky sunny. You know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: this is, like, 100 film that she got. So, you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: it's got to be, you know.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You got to be outside.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Outside, you know, beautiful sunny day to get anything out
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: of it. But it was cool, it was cool. But yeah, so,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was like a curiosity relic, you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: she's like, eh, this would be kind of interesting to try,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: you know? And, um.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Well, you've seen, they also did like a camera like
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: that now, that like now, because they were doing filters
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: for like shooting on your iPhone, but you could make
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: it look like, you know, 8mm or something. But now
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: there's actually a camera, more or less, that you buy,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that I don't remember if you attach it to your
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: regular camera or if it's actually its own functioning camera,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: but it's essentially set up to mimic like 8mm, 16mm,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: like it's actually set up to be, look, this looks
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: like it was, or maybe there's some version of it
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: that's kind of shot like it's old-timey film, but it's
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: still able to, you know, take it off and use
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: it like digital technology. Yeah, there is, just in this
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: last year, I've seen them like advertising that a whole bunch,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: so that's awesome.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Dang.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: That's also a thing that's come back now. It's like
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: its own physical, shoot it like it's a Super 8 camera.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I haven't seen what you're talking about, but I
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: have seen one where it does shoot Super 8, but
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: when you send it in, they just send you back
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: a thumb drive. They send you back the developed film,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: but they also send it back to you all on
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: a thumb drive, so you can just put it in
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: your editing software, which I think is pretty cool. I've
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: got eight millimeter film equipment that I inherited from a
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: friend when he sold everything, uh, sold everything he owns
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: and bought a Winnebago.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Uh, and, uh, ah, that step in life.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: So that, so I got all his stuff. So I've
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: got some really good equipment, you know, I want to
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: shoot something on it, you know, I've got a little idea,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: but you know, it is so much more expensive, you know? Uh,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: so it's like a, that's like a, you know, a
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: brooding project and everything. But, no, I like that look.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, everything's, because everything's so clean on the iPhone. Everything,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: digital technology has gotten so good that, and you kind
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: of have so many options. I think I would like
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: to just shoot something where my only option is, you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: straight cuts and no trickery, you know.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I found one of the ones I've seen pop up.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: This one's called Camp Snaps. It is a eight digital
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: video camera, but like their little sales pitch here, specifically like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: film style filters. Scroll through vintage inspired filters, faded sepia,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: grainy analog, washed retro tones, black and white, standard film look.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Choose your aspect ratio, dial to your vibe. 9-16-6-9-1-1-4-3. So, like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: this one has, but it has, like, an SD card
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: that you put it on. Nice. But it's still got
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: a weird little meter with a needle on it, like
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: your light filter. Like, it's analog and digital all at
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the same time. I mean, it's interesting, but I'm like,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: it feels so novelty. Like, it feels like this is
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: for a hipster kid that wants to be super cool. Look,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: because it looks like an old Super 8 camera. Like,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: it is built like a handheld. Handle on the bottom,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: pull the button. Yeah. Shoot me the link.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Shoot me the link.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will send it over because it's weird how
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: that's taken to another level now. Even the filters are
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: one thing, but this is like a physical thing that
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you buy that looks like an old-timey Super 8 camera.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not against it. I'm not against it. Yeah,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, hipster kids and everything, but also maybe like
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: old people like us.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Well, again, I thought, I was like, huh, I wonder
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: what you could do with it that's different than like
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you could just... shoot it with a digital camera, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: then just run it through whatever filter you want. So, yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, I feel like the physical aspect
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of it is more the novelty with that one. It's like,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: when you're hanging out at the coffee shop with that,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you'll look cooler than if you're just holding your phone.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And then, like, later, I'm going to make this black
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: and white. Yeah. Where there, they can look at it
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and go, what is that? You'll be like, what? It's
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: my vintage camera. Let me explain. And you'll give them
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: that little sales pitch I just spilled out there. Yeah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: This goes with my waxed mustache.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is its own breed.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Speaking of those, I mean, have you seen this Chainsaw Reactions?
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, the latest repackaging of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: for the 80th time?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Not that I know of.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, so it's a documentary, Chainsaw Reactions, where they got
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: all these people going like, hey, if you didn't know...
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a pretty good movie. You should
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: watch it. If you haven't heard of it, it's a
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: pretty good movie. All right. What?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Chainsaw is in two words, is it? That's going to
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: confuse me.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. People like Patton Oswalt and all these guys,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: all these pro-pop culture commentary people talking about it. But
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: it comes with like eight versions of the movie. uh
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: you got like the super cleaned up version and then
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: you've got like the good times vhs version and then
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: you've got like a super 8 version a 16 millimeter
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: version like a uruguay uh home video version i mean
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: it's real weird it's like got like a all these
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: different interpretations of the different formats that It's been in
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: and over the years.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I want a perfect digital copy with tracking issues fluttering
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: on my screen that are not actually there. They're just
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: built into the digital copy so I can feel at
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: home in like 1989.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: How most people, you know, because first time I saw it,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: it was like, you know, this muddy piece of crap,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: you know, VHS version. And then, you know, I got
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: like the new cleaned up version. I was going like, wow,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: there is so much detail in this movie that I
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: just never noticed.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Almost like they had a real camera when they shot it. Right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: It was shot on like a real camera.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: They must have gotten one of those cool ones that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: kid at the coffee shop had.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. That's right. And so, yeah, I've been
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: tempted to pull the trigger on that one, you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: because that 16 millimeter one looked, You know, they've got it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: If you watch the trailer, you go like, that's pretty cool.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: But then you go like, do I need another copy
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: of Texas Chainsaw at my house?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, it does sound interesting, but is it one
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: of those like, I like the idea. Because there's so
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: many things I have copies of that I'm like, I
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: know I have this. I know it's sitting safely on
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: that shelf over there. And at any time, I can
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: go watch that. Now, do I? No. But I know
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I rest easier at night knowing I have a copy
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: of that right over there. So I think it's that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I think geeks feel better going, if I wanted to,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I could watch this on Super 8 right now. Are
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: you going to? Well, no. I'm going to watch the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: cleaned up version. But the point is, I could at
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: any time. I think that's how geeks work. It's the
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: knowing that you could. That I have, again, maybe that's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: an older thing too. I have a copy of this
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: so I can watch this whenever I want versus kids
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: are like, I hope that's streaming somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: It's just like old people want a physical copy because
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: they don't want some streaming kid to be like, nope,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I'm taking that off the feed. But I want to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: see it. Like, so I think that's going to come
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: into play too. is what happens when the kids that
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: grew up having access to everything streaming when they start
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: pulling stuff off of streaming services and they're like well
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: how do I see it now like so unless they're
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: just going to download an illegal copy anyway but that
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: might be the case so I don't know it's always
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: a juggle of like what do I want what version
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: do I want what do I want access to at
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: all times so yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah it's a yeah this is very much an
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: impulse it's like I have it ready just in.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: Case well they're definitely there's a tie-in to all of
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: that and maybe this is a counter about maybe this
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: is me going the other way because one of.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: The other things I will I did I had this
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: happen recently and I was like yeah we should address
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: that too as the where we are in the world today.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Because this is an ongoing thing, and I many a
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: time on this show, probably every episode, I will then, like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: refer to things that we're talking about, and then occasionally
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: throw out a, well, here's what regular people think. I
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: always use the air quotes around these regular people. But
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I am so, like, fascinated to hear other regular people's
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: thoughts on stuff. Because it is so different. Like, it
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: is so, like... And so much of the day, I'm
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: ignoring what everyone else in the world says when they're
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: talking about the weather, sports, crap, whatever regular people talk about.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And then one out of a thousand times, they'll be like, oh,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: just see that, blah, blah, whatever. And I'll be like, whoa, whoa,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: hold on. We're talking about a movie. And I want
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to hear what they have to say because... Because I
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: know what I think, I know what my friends that
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I talk about this stuff with, I can almost predict
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: what they're going to say about specific things. But regular people,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. They are off on another plane
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: of existence when it comes to pop culture stuff and
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: specifically movies. So I'm just like, I am so fascinated
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to hear whatever crazy thing is about to come out
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: of their mouth. So often, and here's one I got
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the other day from someone I've known my whole life,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: and I listened to them rant about movies today.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, movies.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: The stuff they're making now. And I'm like, I don't,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: my normal take anymore, especially with the, purling out the quotes,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: regular people.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: It's not worth arguing with you. I just, I don't, unless,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: unless again, when we're on the show and we're going
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to devote it to a whole conversation, that's one thing,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: but just random conversation in the world. It's not worth
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: starting the fight. I don't care. I don't care enough
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to get into it with whoever this is. So I'm just, whatever,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: go ahead. Let me hear the rest of your rant
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: so I can then like formulate what I think about
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: it later. No, no, no.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: It's a... No, no. You're good. I'm curious about... No,
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: I see this as, like, a new segment of, like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Brian's tales from regular people.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. This was... But it's, like,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing I've said for years, and I
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: feel like it's so much more an observation on the
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: person saying that than what movies are out there. You know?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just, like... Because my response really is, well, you're
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: watching the wrong movie. That's what I want to say
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to them. And then they're going to be upset. It
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: feels like I'm attacking them and their bad taste, which
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: is arguably true. But I'm just like, there's so many. Like,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I see good movies all the time. Now, I seek
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: specific stuff out. Maybe you just flipped on Netflix and
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: scrolled through and picked the postage stamp photo that you
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: decided to go with. And then you're like, oh, this
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: is dumb. And I'm like, well, who picked it? So
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know. So we're talking about general people
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: nowadays just talking about how bad movies are.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like that's always been going on.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Like as long as I've been a movie geek, like
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: in the 80s, I would still hear people like, oh,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: these movies today, they're not like they used to be.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: So I feel like it's a cranky old man yelling
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: at the cloud about movies today.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, at any given moment, that's not true.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: And at any given moment, you can find good movies.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: So I'm just like, this is just a cookie cutter
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: thing that happens any random decade. Because that's also my,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: if I felt like getting into the argument with the person,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay, whatever you think is the good
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: old days where these good old movies were, pick that
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: decade and give it to me and give me a
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: few minutes and I will pick 10 movies that are
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: pure garbage from that decade. Yeah. that were equally as
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: bad as whatever you're complaining about now. Now, maybe there's
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: a new technological aspect that, oh, it wasn't green screen
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: back in the day. Well, I can go find you
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a garbage version of something else that's just as bad
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: as whatever you're describing right now, and you just don't
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: want to admit it because you're biased to your little, like, oh,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: in my day, back in the day, we had perfect movies.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, what decade is that? Because I
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: can find some terrible stuff. that you maybe are even
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: thinking of as a good movie. Because that aspect changes
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: over the... Their perspective on that changes over the years
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, this is resonating with me. Okay. A, number one,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: it is a... Oh, man. Okay. Resonating with me because...
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Where do I start?
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Dawn of Cinema. Okay. I was watching Nosferatu and I
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: thought to myself. No.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: So, so it's right. So you're completely correct.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: We'll start with like a Tarantino talking recently. Didn't realize.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: And in the nineties that the nineties were going to
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: be kind of like the seventies read redux and like
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: how great the movies were in the nineties. All right.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Now I worked in a movie theater in the nineties.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: All right. And I would say yes.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: You're completely correct. The good stuff gets remembered, but most
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: of everything is terrible. And what I didn't like about
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: movies in the nineties was it was kind of like
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: the death rattle of some of the great directors, you know, uh,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: like Joe Dante and John Carpenter's output in the nineties
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: was like people still making stuff, making, still making stuff,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: but just completely, you know, had, had, had different collaborators
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: or they're just trying to repeat old things or, you know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Not as tuned in, like when they're tuned in, it's
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: their whole life. And I'm like, this is going to
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: be the greatest thing ever. And then 20 years later,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know. I got to work on something. Uh,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: hold on. I got, I got to, I got to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: call my kids on the phone. I got to deal
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: with this. And then I got to sign off on
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: my new production company. I'm managing six other movies that
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: other people are making.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: So like, that's it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So they're avoiding their life. Like I get it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Like it would be different as an experience. So of
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: course your commitment to this movie is going to be different.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: And it's, uh, you know, it's after maybe like they've
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: become embittered, you know, uh, to the system. They still
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: got a career, but it's maybe, you know, they just, they, they, they,
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: you know, John Carpenter had made the thing and it
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: destroyed them. So, you know, I mean, now.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It's just what I do. Like, this is my job, man.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: What do you want?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Every once in a while, I got to make a movie.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I got to slap my name on it. Got to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: keep my insurance going. Sometimes that really is how the
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: job works. It's a job.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: That's right. That's right. So, so, um, and you know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: and the nineties also had like the, the, the CG
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: porn of like the, you know, the Dante's peak type
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: variety movies where just stuff was classics, you know?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Just, it was like, you know, the trailer had the,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: you know, it was just like the post Jurassic park
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: glut of, you know, uh, the reason the movie existed
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: was because of this digital, you know, animation that they
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: could put into it. And, you know, So it was
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: just like a lot of kind of spectacle stuff like that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: But also, you know, like music, and the alternative, you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: corporate alternative radio station in Atlanta was 99X. And everybody
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: my age has probably some fond memories of that channel.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: And then they brought it back and started playing, you know,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: the old playlists. And I was going like, oh, I
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: forgot how much this music was terrible. Yeah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Well, see, but this is... And music was eventually going
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: to tie in, too, because then I'm like... That's why
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, maybe this is the counterbalance to our
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: angry old men yelling earlier. I'm like... Because I... And
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not pretending like I'm elevated and above everyone else,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, I still try to look at stuff
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: as it's coming out today. Yeah. Music, movies, like, anything.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: And I don't have complaints, but I listen to everybody
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: else be like, oh, God, this music today. And I'm like, no,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's certainly different, but, like, I still... Like,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I found a band that I love lately. They're a
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: brand new band. These kids are, like, 20 years old,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like... They're awesome. Everything they're putting out,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I really like. So I'm like, what is it that
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: you guys are listening to that you want to complain about?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: What different world is it that I'm in that I found... Again,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: it's maybe because I... found it. Like I, I devoted
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: a little more time into what I was listening to
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and found something better than just whatever came up next
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: on the, again, now I guess it's streaming, but like,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I just found, I completely randomly came across this band
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: and now I'm like, it's, you know, a couple of
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: times a week, it's my day. I'm like, this is
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: what I'm listening to now. So I'm like, I'm not
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: the cranky old man that only listens to the same
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: thing I listened to when I was 20. No. I
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: still go to that. Don't get me wrong. I still
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: listen to a lot of stuff from that era that
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I love. But at the same time, I'm like, I'm
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: not so closed off that I can't find something new
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: that I think is good, well done, equally as impressive
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: as the stuff I used to listen to. And that's
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: true of movies, too. And I'm like, there's a movie
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: coming out tomorrow that's going to be as good as
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: some classic from old Hollywood. and from the 80s and
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: from whatever decade you think is the greatest thing ever
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm like I'm going to appreciate this movie while
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: other people are gonna be like oh whatever I don't
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: even want to see that I'm just like is that
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: just a mindset from like one person to the next
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: or is that a generational thing or like I don't
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: know but I'm like I feel like I still am
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: open-minded to movies in general and music and pop culture
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: overall and I'm like I don't see that out of
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of other people And I'm like, what is that? Like,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: what is that mindset? Is that just a personal thing
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: or is it something bigger there?
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Well, I would say of the people I interact with,
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: I am probably the grumpiest of folks because, I mean,
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: I know some people at work and everything, they're excited
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: about whatever comes down the line, you know, and, you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: they'll go and see it and enjoy it and they
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: can just enjoy it. So, you know, I'm probably more
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: discerning than some folks. But I have no problem, I
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: have absolutely no problem finding good recent music and good movies. Yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's like, it is though, like anything, if
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: you just take the top 10, you know, you're going to,
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: you know, get, it's just going to be like lowest
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: common denominator, you know, fun. You know, just, you know, unchallenging.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: The biggest, dumbest movies for what's going to be out
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: there at your disposal.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: If you don't dig a little more.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Right, right. So that's fine. That's fine. Sometimes that's all
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: you want. You know, you just want, you know, movement.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: And you don't want to be, like, you know, challenged
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: every second.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've made that call several times lately where
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, I want to see this thing that's
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: right there streaming in front of me, but I'm not
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: in that mindset right now. Cause it's kind of heavy
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'll get to it. But right now
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: my brain is not at the point where I want
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: to do that to it. So how about I watch
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: this thing over here, which seems kind of, I won't
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: go so far as to say dumb, but it's certainly
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: lighter in tone. And I'm like, so I make those
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: calls all the time. But I don't close myself off
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: to the whole idea of something that could be, you know, good.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: No, there's so much good stuff that's coming out. You
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: just do have to sort of curate and dig and,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: you know, see what's going on. But another thing you said,
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: when anybody– I do kind of have, like, my filter on.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: But when anybody starts talking about a movie, you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: my radar comes on. And I go like, okay, what
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: are they saying? What is in the... Because I just
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: don't hear about people talking about movies.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: I know. It's so rare. But when I do, I
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: get super... Yeah, it's like I got to put it
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: in the database. Like I need to know what regular
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: people are thinking about any pop culture, specifically movies. Because
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: it's so different than my thoughts and so different than
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: everyone I know, the handful of people I talk to.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: It's like... I know what that is. I don't know
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: what regular people's take on stuff is at all.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: So it's like, so when sometimes in a, in like, uh,
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: team meetings and everything on our Friday team meeting, it
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: was so, so corporate, but you know, we'll just like chat,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: you know, and, uh, and you know, and so if
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: there's a movie that people are talking about, I like,
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: I gotta know about it, you know? And, uh, and
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: so sometimes there's randomly they'll start talking. The last one
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: they talked about, uh, was the K-pop demon hunters.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: On Netflix.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Weeping the world.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: And, and so I was like, Oh, I'm excited about
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: it because people are actually talking about a movie, you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like when Barbie hammer and everything, you know,
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: it was just like, uh, uh, when, when movies are
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: actually in the, the, the discussion, I'm kind of like
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: going like, Oh, Interesting. Okay, because it used to be
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: like that was the culture, but now it's like just
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: some segment of the culture.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: It's got to be that big. I mean, think about it.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Barbie was the biggest thing in the world at that
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: point for it to break through. For me to then,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: two months later when it showed up streaming, have this
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: awkward discussion with this guy that I know... That told
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: me it was the dumbest movie ever. I was like,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: and I'm fighting again. I'm trying to play nice with
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: the regular folks. So I'm like biting my tongue to
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: not go. I don't think you got it. It's the problem. Like,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that's what I want to say. It's like, I literally,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I know you buddy. And I don't think you got
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: what Greta Gerwig was doing. I think it went over
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: your head and you don't want me to tell you that.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm just going to shake my head and go, well, I,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I liked it. Fine. I guess I don't like the,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: how do you, how much do you want to get
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: into it with these people? Because I'm like, yeah, I
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: think what she's doing is kind of brilliant and you
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: don't understand it, but do you really want to get
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: into that argument with some random person? Not really. So
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, uh, okay. He didn't like it. Whatever. Yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm not going to die on this hill.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: You know, the same thing with like this year was
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: K-pop demon hunter. And I'm like, I love seeing that
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: because my, that one, like just generationally, like maybe not
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: as many of the grownups, but like my little niece
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: dressed up as one of them for Halloween, like it
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: crossed over. And I'm like, She's embracing a movie. She's
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: embracing new music. She's embracing a culture that's not hers. Like,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that is awesome that like this has found
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: its way to our dumb America that like has opened
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: our minds just enough. You know, I understand it's just
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: goofy cartoons for most people, but I'm like, yeah, but
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: it's also a window into stuff that she otherwise would
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: have never known about. And now like they're trying to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: special order cause they didn't, they were so unprepared for that.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: They didn't even make the merchandise for it. So like,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Now it's like, okay, for Christmas, we gotta buy some
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: knockoff stuff made in China because they didn't even make
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: real merchandise and try to ship it here to give
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: you something for Christmas that says K-Pop Demon Hunter on it.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, it's weird the ways that it
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: trickled down into pop culture. I don't know. I always
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: liked seeing that stuff come in, even if I, again,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I watched. It was fine. I didn't lose my mind
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: over it, but I appreciated how much kids in particular,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: like got into this thing that was out of the
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: norm for them.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I think it also does. I mean,
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: when it showed up on my feed, I mean, it was,
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: I was just going like, okay, it's some, you know,
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: more anime, whatever.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Whatever throw away, you know, thing. But when people who've
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: grown adults were talking about it at work, I was
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: going like, what's going on? And they're going like, yeah,
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: like they were going like TBH. That's a pretty good movie,
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: you know, and all that stuff. And, uh, And I
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: was like, okay, okay. So I watched it with my
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: kid and, you know, it really went over well. And
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: I was going like, yeah. But what's interesting, though, is
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: just how things have changed. And pop culture right now is, like,
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: dominated by, like, Japanese culture, you know? Especially with my kids.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: It's just, like, anime and, like, people at work. Like,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: you know, the 20-somethings, they... they've all got, it's very
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Japanese fan culture driven, you know? And I remember, you know,
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: a million years ago, Brian, you know, that was when
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I did that little comic book for y'all. I had
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: an anime joke in that where like only weirdos watched anime,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: That's true. By the way, I'm still waiting for the
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: next issue in that.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. In the planning stages.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: It's in the works, don't you worry. But, no, again,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. I feel like that super connected to
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Asian culture in general, especially Japan, has always been there,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: but it was always super niche geeks, you know? It was, like,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: very specific geeks that got into anime or, like, got
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: into the food culture and, like, just the general culture.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: you know, the, the lifestyle of the crazy world that
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: is Tokyo, you know, it's like, I'm, I'm fascinated by
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: the visuals of like the, the way that city is
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: laid out and like the, the advertising that goes into
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: the stuff that they do. And like, it's just, it's a,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: it's not that far removed from America, but it's just
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: different enough that I'm fascinated by it. But again, like
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: you have watched it sort of like make its way
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: over here with different things. And now I think it's
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: maybe the biggest push is like the, these last few
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: things that have come through it's like oh people are
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: really kind of into.
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: That yeah yeah well like uh well what do we
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: call it a few years ago it took uh kids
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: to to like anime con here in atlanta and it
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: was it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Was like explosive i mean there were just people stacked
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: on top of people stacked on top of people it
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: was just uh it was so many i mean it's
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: like such a Uh, it's like so much what people
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: are into now, you know.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: And, uh, I can see the kids like, cause kids
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: are super open-minded and like are welcoming of like new
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: different cool things. But like, it's weird when it crosses
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: over into grownups and it gets to like people even
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: close to my age or older. I'm just like, I
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: don't know what. going on now because usually they're super
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: close-minded about stuff like that so yeah yeah that's when
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: you know something's massive pop culture when it makes its
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: way to like grown-ups of.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: That era you know yeah definitely definitely what what i
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: have discovered with it was just that from from trying
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: to you know connect to my kid and everything, we
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: would start watching some. And what I realized was, you know,
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: there's just so many different genres in anime that is
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: not all just, like, superhero stuff. There's just, like, little
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: slice-of-life drama ones.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: And there's, like, romances and, like, regular old, like, boring
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: stories that just happen to be told in anime, you know?
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Right, right. So sometimes you'll come across one, and it's, like,
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: just this little self-contained story They might have three seasons,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: but then it has a conclusion and it was just
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: like a cool story. You've got to really be careful,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: you know, but, you know, there's a lot of, you know,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: there is some weird stuff out there where like you
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: watch like five seconds of it and you go like, okay,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: this is like, This isn't like us hanging out watching
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: this together.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: This is still weird. There's some weird stuff out there.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: This is like 14-year-old boy fan service anime. So, you know,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: you don't watch those. But there's a lot of really
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: sophisticated storytelling in it. And I go like, oh, okay,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: that's cool. You know, I mean, I learned something new.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: It's not all Speed Racer and, you know, tentacles.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, sure, that's still out there if that's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: what you're looking for.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: If that's what you're looking for, you'll find it. But
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: if you're looking for something else.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: You'll find it.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: You'll find it. Believe me. But if you're looking for
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: something else, there's plenty. I'm kind of on the opposite
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: side of just people complaining about stuff. I think, well,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: especially my kids, but people my age, I mean, you know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: the people I'm around, they're pretty... They usually can find stuff. So,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's usually me. If anybody's complaining about the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: state of the world, it's me. But I find plenty
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: of stuff.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: It's like you're for different reasons. You know, theirs is
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: a general... Again, the conversation that started all that for
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: me was a very blanket of Hollywood and everything that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: comes out of it. I was just like... bullshit, but whatever,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna think what you're, I'm not gonna
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: win you over on that one, you've made up your
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: mind a long time ago on that, and it's solidified
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: more and more with every year that passes, so you're
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: just gonna badmouth anything that that whole town does, and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: anything that is even brought in from another town, you know,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: when you get stuff coming from overseas, even more closed
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: off they're gonna be, so it's like, Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: You just get people that are so set in that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: mindset of like, nope, everything they make is terrible. And
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, well. then enjoy you're not liking anything.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: That's my thing. I'm like, because that's the thing. People
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: like complain and like all they want to do is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: complain about stuff. And I'm like, yeah, but aren't you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: then just miserable? Because like I have enough miserableness going on.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: The thing that breaks it up for me is pop culture.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: You're like, when I'm watching a cool movie, when I'm
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: watching a good show, when I'm listening to music that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: I enjoy, like these are all good things that take
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: me away from the misery. So if you're just locked
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: into finding more things to be miserable, how is that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: a good thing? like why would you want to do
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: that with your.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Life yes everybody's everybody's life has a measure of suck
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: to it you know and uh and so yeah why
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: are you you know yeah i mean you know what
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: i mean just find something to alleviate the suck occasionally
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: because you know i mean if maybe maybe they want
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: to you know i don't know fine and maybe just
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: pop culture isn't their thing maybe they've They whittle or something.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know what they do.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what regular people do.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Whittle, right? They sit on the porch
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: and whittle? Make toothpicks?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I don't know. I don't interact with humans.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Do they have Lego?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: They should. Because that's where all the cool decisions are made.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: What should I build today?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: That's it, man. Yeah, yeah. For real. No, I mean,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: that's interesting.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: No, the problem is there's just so much stuff. It
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: is like the whole world is like a giant flea market.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: And you really just have to.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of crap at the flea market. Yes,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I agree. But if you find the right table, you're like, whoa,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: look at this.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: For real.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for real. No, it's good.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Well, again, if we're getting into the.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Bulk of stuff out there again i was just all
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: the the weird topics that have come up lately that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: i'm like okay that's interesting number one i definitely want
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: to get to the the technology that we're watching everything
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: on in a minute but first this one came up
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: today and i hadn't maybe i just haven't been paying
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: attention maybe this has been going on but i just
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: noticed it pop up today in the middle of watching
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: something and of course you can't watch something without ads
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: now sure but this came up and also because i
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: guess i didn't have this because i don't normally have
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: this service. I won't name them, but it's a service
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: that also delivers stuff to your house. Okay. So to me,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: that's also kind of suspect. I'm like, okay, so the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: thing that's delivering things to your house and making an
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: entire industry on this area over here is now also
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: delivering these movies to you and also creating them sometimes.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: It's like they have their own original programming system And
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: yet at the same time, they're running this business that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: delivers that to you and other things is the key
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: issue here. So as I'm watching this, it's in the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: middle of a break and then it pops up with
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: a commercial, which I'm used to, but then a link
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: pops up for the thing on the commercial to add
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: it to your cart.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, weird.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: And I was like, whoa, this is like a whole
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: new level of sellout. Seamless. Yeah, I was like, not
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: only are you being seduced by this commercial, but you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: don't even have to get up and go to the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: grocery to buy Tide Pods. You don't even have to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: get up and go get this new Dinty Moore beef stew.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: All you have to do is reach to the remote
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: that's sitting right next to you and click one button
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: and you bought it, Arthur. It's in your cart. It's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: waiting for you to give them money. And I was like,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: that is a whole other level of corporate running the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: world that we live in.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: Dude, absolutely.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, that was scary. Yeah. So, what are
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on that?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, frictionless consumerism. You know, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: I've thought of it where, you know, I think it's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: just going to be like you go to you're gonna
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: have the chip in your head in your head and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: every time you have an impulse that you want something
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: it's going to beam itself over to the 3d printer
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: and it's going to print it out for you or
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: download it to your entertainment system and you're going to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: have it and it's just going to be like this
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: you're going to have like uh I think the means
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: of production are going to become so cheap that... And
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: I've read this whole book about the AI revolution and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: how means of production are just going to get cheaper
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: and cheaper and cheaper. And then... So you can probably
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: just have a stuff subscription where... it will like produce
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: like X amount of things for you for like X
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: amount of dollars a month. And then you're just impulses.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: You don't even have to go to the computer. It's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: just going to zip it to the, to the, the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: router from the chip in your head. And then it's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: going to like kind of defecate it out into a box.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: I've seen my, my, when I was thinking about this society, yes.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: I was thinking about just like, there's like this, this, uh,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: 3d printing, uh, orifice like an asshole on your wall
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: and then you know just throughout the day it's picking
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: up your signal impulses and it's just like 3D printing
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: and it looks like it's just shitting crap into your.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Room defecation aspect of it you're also just describing star
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: trek you're just the next generation like you're just early
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: hot and it magically brings it to you like there's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: a hole in your wall that does that so like
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: this is just us doing that with random 3d printed
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: garbage that we want we're just like because we already
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: i mean as you were describing that i was like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: well we already have that in every other aspect of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: our life that wasn't a 3D thing. Initially it was like,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: whatever weird thing you're into, you can type it into
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: your internet search and now you're connected to it. You
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: can find versions of it, you can find other people
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: into it. So first it was just that. Well then
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: it became like, way to get those things. It's like,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: so now, like originally you had to wait around and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: maybe you'd find it in the real world or you'd
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: order it and you'd sit around for six to eight
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: weeks and it would show up. But that aspect became
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: so instantaneous that like you can order something and at
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: best two days out it comes to you. Sometimes you
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: can get it same day. At this point we've got
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: drones drop shipping stuff onto your porch. It's just like
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: that aspect has become almost instantaneous. So the fact that
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: now you're just going to connect it to your brain
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: and be like, I'm thinking of this and then it
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: will physically create the dumb thing you just thought of.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: That's... I'm frightened by them because people's brains are stupid.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: As a part of humanity, humanity is dumb and we
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: cannot be trusted. So I reserve the right because I
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: am one of those dumb humans. Sure, sure.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, the most evil thing that ever created
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: was the buy now button on that site you're talking about.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: You don't even have to think about it. You just
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: go like, ooh, I want that. click buy now and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: now it's already being sent to you.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah one button it's already on its way.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: It's on its way and it will sometimes get to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: you before you know it'll be like the next day
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: and you're going like this is how is this sustainable
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: i didn't.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Know this existed yesterday morning yeah and now i'm holding
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: it exactly something weird about.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: That exactly This came to me quicker than it would
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: have taken me to get up the motivation to put
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: on pants and leave the house.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Which is why people don't do that quite often.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: But, you know what? I'm nostalgic now for, you know,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: old school consumerism. Where, like, this year for Christmas, I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: didn't really do, like, links and everything. Like, send me
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: links and I'll hit it, you know? I said, like,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: let's go out into the world and look for stuff.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about, Grandpa? I know. I know.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: And I was like, there used to be an experience.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: It's like now everything's so quick, there's no experience. I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: don't know. It's weird. It used to be how people
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: filled their day.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I was listening... Again, I was listening to a show,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: and they were talking about Christmas this year, and they
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: were like, the kids, like, they've just grown up with, like,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: they ship out whatever that, like, catalog is for this product,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: whatever they had, and, like, it has all the items
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: they want in it, and, like, they... in a very
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: old timey way would like look at the Sears catalog
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: and circle what you want. That's kind of what these
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: kids were doing. But it became so synonymous with the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: system that like they suggested a thing to the kid
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: and he was freaking out. He's like, but it's not
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: in the catalog. He couldn't think outside the constraints of
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: this is where I get my things from. I can't
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: have it. It's not in the cat. I was like, wow,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: like that's scary. Like that is a scary moment for
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: humanity that like, But the man gave me this catalog,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: and I can't do what the man tells me I
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: can't do, so this is all I can have. Buy
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: it from the company store. It's all very interconnected. I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: was like, these are all scary things. So today, when
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: that ad popped up on my viewing of a movie,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't like that. I am
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: weirded out by that.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it is like just the push for... frictionless, uh,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: impulse consumerism, you know?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: And, uh, or just being swayed. Like you're watching this
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: well-financed commercial and you're like, I do need that. Yeah.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: You laundry. I do need that detergent. It was just like, yeah.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, duh. Like why, why are you being suckered
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: in by this ad so well that you're immediately going
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: to buy that thing? I was like, there's not even
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: a moment to think anymore. It's like, do I need that?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: It's like, I do need that! Click. Too late. Already done.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: You're watching the, well, it seems like some futuristic world
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: where you see a commercial and you buy it as
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: you're watching the commercial, right?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: That does seem like a weird 70s sci-fi movie would
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: have presented that and you would laugh. Like, how can
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: you imagine? And we live in those times!
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: It's disturbing.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: It's so disturbing. Yeah.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Well, it makes me think also of something I've been
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: thinking about lately. Of stories. How do I approach this? Okay,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: commercials tell a little segment of a story. Like that cool.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Coffee commercial that we're pretty sure the brother and sister
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: are hooking up. Yeah. Because there's stories and then there's
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: ones that you're like, I'm reading something else going on
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: in this commercial. I keep seeing like it must be
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: a thing. It must have hit somebody's feed out there
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: because now I keep seeing people making comments about that
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: old coffee commercial that were like the brother and sister
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: are just way too friendly, way too happy to see
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: each other. I do remember it, and I remember it
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: being weird at the time, but in the last week,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: I've seen two or three posts of people making comments
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: about that commercial. So I'm like, that must be hitting
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: somebody's algorithm because it came up again this week.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: That's interesting. I've got to bring that up. I've got
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: to look that up.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: I'll find that commercial for you.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: Okay. Okay, so this might just be obvious, but these
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: commercials tell a story, and I think people are very
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: swayed by narratives, okay? And we love a good story.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: But the problem is the story can completely rewire your
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: brain and make you... It can rewire your brain and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: control your head. I mean, it's sort of the problem
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: with media is people's thirst for meaning... lends us to
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: try to attribute stories to things which then once you
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: have a story about it you believe it and in
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: and so it's uh i was trying to like i
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: was like i had like i just out in the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Out in the world the other day, I had a
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: pleasant human interaction. I mean, this sounds like autism podcast now.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: It's arguable.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Let's be real. I know both of us.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: Welcome to Tismcast. Tismcast.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: Um, so just out in the real world had a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: just a moment of, of, of a good human connection.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: All right. And, uh, and I was like going like, well,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: that was a cool just moment. Okay. And I was
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: just like going, good, good. That was good. That's all
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: that needs to be. And, and it became like a
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: thing where it go like people sometimes take little moments
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: and then they start writing stories about them. And it's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: sort of like, here's the, here's something I'm just going
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: through right now is like always trying to create, give
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: meaning to things and figure out how these things have
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: meaning and are a part of a story can really
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: rewire your life into something not really living a life
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: because you're really trying to see how it connects and
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: always trying to find a connection. And like, kind of
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: like you're like a, one of those crazy people in the, uh,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: in those conspiracy movies where you've got like all the,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: you got the yarn and the thing and you're going like, okay,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: so this kind of like, see, trying to see cause
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: and effect. And, uh, how does this write a narrative, uh, And,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: you know, and go like, or like something will happen
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: and I go like, oh, how can I write a
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: story about this? You know, or what does this mean?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: You know, meaning. It's almost a very artistic version of it. Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm trying to back it off if there's
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: like a regular person version of this.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: That just creates a narrative versus, again, I feel like
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: you are the type of person who would maybe sit
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: down and write a story about it.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: For the regular person that would be like, oh, how
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: do I... create this narrative in my head that then
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: also changes how I go about things. Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: But I think, I think so.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: So for me, it's like a, it's like a, it's a,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: it's a, a kind of a prison where you go like,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: just enjoy something for it being what it is versus
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: trying to turn it into something else, you know, trying to,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: trying to manifest it as like a story or something
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: like that. You don't have to, Your life does not
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: have to be like this thing you're mining for material.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: Some things can just be what they are, and them
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: in that abstract state, it doesn't get diluted by a story.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: But I think it is a universal thing where people
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: are looking to figure out what is the meaning of
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: it all, and stories give you a meaning of And
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: so even a commercial is giving you a story and
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: stories are soothing because it makes it go like, oh,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: there's a meaning behind all of this.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: There's a reason for it.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: There's a reason. And I saw this person who was having.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: A problem, and they told me a story about how
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: the Tide Pod fixed it, and now look how happy
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: their life is. And you know it's manipulation, but that's
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Stories are kind of manipulation, you know?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: And you manipulate yourself even by telling yourself certain stories
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: in your head and it completely paints the way you
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: see things. And so people are beaming you stories, you know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: like through the culture, you know, through movies and books
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: and songs and everything. So these things all tell stories
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: so they soothe you because, I mean, I guess it
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: distracts you from existential panic.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Pretty regular, it's fine.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is not everything has to be
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: a story. But I'm just saying what's dangerous is how
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: effective stories are. And that's what brings me back to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: like the marketing of Tide Pods and making it instant.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: Because I think story and narrative is like an opium
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: for us, you know? And so you see these commercials. it's, it's,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: it's crazy. So you're going like, who's telling the story
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: is like this, this episode brought to you by the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: letter L or this, uh, you know, this episode brought
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: to you by bounty, the quicker, quicker, rougher. I do.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Spill stuff a lot. She get that bounce. Click. Already done. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: No, it's, it's amazing how quickly, how streamlined everything has gotten,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: you know? So yeah. When you're, When the story soothes you,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: you get that flow, you get a dopamine thing, and
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: then you're very susceptible to click that button and buy
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: a Tide Pods, you know?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: I think the story part of it, like, again, I
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: think what makes sense in your brain as part of
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: the storytelling element is, like I said, it's for a reason. Like,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: even within the context of storytelling, it's for a reason, right?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: versus real life. I think that's what, as you were
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: saying that, I was like, well, yeah, because I will
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: be watching a movie and I will be like, oh,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming this is going to happen down the line
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: because they just presented this part. So why would they
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: bring up almost a Chekhov's gun aspect of it? Like,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: why would you bring this up unless later in the story,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: this is going to come into play and then it
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: makes sense. And it rounds out this little story you're telling.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: And we're sort of comforted by that because it makes sense.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Because it is logical storytelling versus real life where none
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: of that shit matters. It's like, this random thing happened
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: to me today and is that going to come into
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: play later? No. No. It's just this sucky thing happened
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: now and later a different sucky thing will happen. But
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: they're not continuing this arc or closing the loop on
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: this aspect of the storytelling. Like you might have run
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: into this person and then in your story later you'd
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: run into them and finish off that story arc. But
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: in real life you'll never see that person again. That's right.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: So that loop goes on forever. It is never closed.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: So have fun with that. It does give you some
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: sort of peace of mind that like, oh, this is
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: for a reason. That's going to come together. Good or bad,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: this story is going to continue on in a... haste
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: manner that makes sense and is logical and like, whereas
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: life isn't like that. Life is random and stupid and
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: nothing makes any sense. So it's like, I think it
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: is comforting to know that there's a story going on
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: behind this and then the story will make things okay
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: versus real life, which is never okay.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: Real life is like a David Lynch movie where it's
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: like some random things happen and, uh.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: I've had a mutant baby and I'm going to go
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: bounce into the wall for a few minutes as this
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: black and white footage of train goes over and over
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: in a loop. So that's it. That's it.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: So, so, so I'm trying to retrain my brain to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: just enjoy moments without giving them meaning, you know, it's
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: just like, okay. Or what, like when things, bad things happen,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: you go like, Oh, this is because of this, or
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: this is because of this. And this is the story
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: behind the, but sometimes bad things just happen, you know?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: And so good things happen and bad things happen. And
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: there's not like a, a lot of times, you know,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: people's belief systems go like, Oh, I created this bad
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: thing through my thoughts, or I created this good thing
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: through my thoughts. You know what I mean? You know,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: if that gives you comfort that that's your story, that,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: you know, in the narrative that you're telling yourself, you...
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: you did this, but I mean, probably Rand.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: See, again, and I almost want to defend that idea
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: because it's what I do, but it's what I do
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: about mostly movies all the time because everything I want
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: to talk about at great length and the only time
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: I talk to people is about movies and then I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: want to, so it's not even like, and I have people,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: I know people that call out any form of film
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: criticism where you're talking about the movie that should have
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: been And that's bullshit. That's not how you do film criticism.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm having a film conversation. And my conversation is,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: I think it should have gone like this. That's fine.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: If you want to do that, do that. Have fun.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: That may be very different than the standard film criticism.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: But again, now we live in a very different world
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: where everything is podcasts and YouTube videos. And so everything
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: is very different. It's not a published, closed version of
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: the criticism of this film anymore. It's an open, ongoing
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: conversation of like, this is how this should have gone. And,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, it's not going to change it. It's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: not going to be. But like the conversational aspect of
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: it has changed in the way that we look at
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: pop culture now and movies and everything.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: So I yeah, it's like I instinctively want to be like,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: but I want to talk about, you know, here's the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: aspects of what was there. Here's the aspects of what
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: could have been. Here's the aspects of what you could
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: do if you decide to do a different thing or
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: make another movie or like. So I like the open
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: endedness of it, but it's different when you're doing it
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: about your day to day life. Or random advertising. It's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: different when it gets into the creepier pockets of your
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: humanity versus the artistic medium and all the things you
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: could create. That's great. That's a way to look at
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: it that's very productive. But yeah, I don't know that
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: it is when it becomes, should I go buy Tide Pods?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: Like if you just be weaponized.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: You know, this need for things to make sense that
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: could be weaponized and and sometimes you know.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Consumer weapon is a very real thing i feel like
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: absolutely it's what goes on in our world every day.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Tell a very simple story to people that is easy
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: to understand where the bad guys and the good guys
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: are clearly defined and People like that and they will
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: follow that story.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: And the answer is to come on board with this
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: thing that you're advertising to them.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: It's not even questionable what the outcome is. The outcome
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: is click buy now.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: The answer to all your problems is this thing that
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: I'm presenting to you in this story, no matter what
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: it is. this like minute long story that may pop
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: up on your computer or your phone or wherever you're
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: watching it, like this is going to present itself to you.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: And the only answer is, Oh, I do need that.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: That that's, that's it. That's all you need. That's all
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: this thing is meant to do is make you go,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: I do need that. Yeah. That's, that's a very specific
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: type of storytelling versus, you know, your, your old timey
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: rom-com from, you know, the forties is telling a big,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: grand scale that doesn't really need to sell you anything
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: other than the enjoyment of this story versus, oh no,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: I need this product right now. And now I can
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: click this button and have it now. Like I put
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: it in my cart right now. Yeah.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: It's on the way.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: It's a very different world. that now offers you that
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: as part of the equation, more or less. Before, it
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: was just like, let's tell a story, and people will
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: enjoy this story. Versus, let's tell a commercial. Like, and
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: sell you on this commercial. And like, it's... It's becoming
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: a very fine line of, like, which is the art?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's certainly an art to making a good commercial,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: so which is the art into this, and which is
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: the consumer into this? Because the movie, while still telling
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: that story, has to make money, so it also is
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: a consumer thing. It also has to please enough people
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: to make money to warrant how much money they spent
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: on this movie, so... it's a fine line like because
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: i want to damn the commercial end of it but
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: you can't have movies without commercials that's part of that
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: you know it's movies today i'm like no they were
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: always like that like yeah back in the old studio
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: days if they weren't making money they axed that stuff
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: that's how it's always been so it had to be
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: the most crowd-pleasing thing is the thing that's gonna get
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: greenlit and the thing that's gonna spiral into the next
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: thing and like so it it's not a new thing.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: It's a more specialized thing and technology has certainly changed
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: it now, but like the, it's always there. Like the consumerism,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: the commercialism is always part of the equation. It's just,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: can we focus on the artistic part a little more?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: What I want. But again, I know I'm not blind
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: to the fact that it's going on. Like, and a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: lot of people kind of seem to be like they're either,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: completely on the commercial end of it and like want
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: that or they're like so artistically minded that like no
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: i'll have none of that in my movie i'm like
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: well then you'll make it on your phone and show
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: it to your friends but like yeah It's not going
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: to get out there in any grand way other than
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: virally maybe, which now is a possibility, but very minimal
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: compared to, you know, trying to put out a major
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: motion picture worth millions and millions of dollars.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: It's such a slippery slope. It's just like which road
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: you're going down and what leads you there and what's
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: going to happen once you get there. It's a lot.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: It's a lot to deal with. Man.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: It's so complicated.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: It really is. But yeah, that one just came up
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: today and I found it disturbing. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: No, it, it, yeah, yeah. It, it, it just mindless consumers.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: It reminds me of THX 1138, where you go and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: you buy the red ball so you can then bring
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: it home and throw it away. So tomorrow you can
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: buy another red ball so you can throw it away.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: You know, it was just part of, I don't know. Yeah,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: it's weird. But it is weird, you know, just consumerism,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: you know, it used to be like, you know, you
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: left the house and you went with somebody and you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: looked through comic books and you found one and then you,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: you know, and it was like, it kind of built
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: a memory. I guess I was always anti all that stuff,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: but people, it was memories of spending time with people
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: doing something. And sort of, it's really just a context of,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: doing something, which is basically what anything is, you know,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: sports events and, you know, eating and all this stuff
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: is really just a context of creating a container to
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: have a human interaction with, you know, and so it's
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: really doesn't matter what it is, but, you know, so
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: the ease of everything is kind of like robbing people
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: of the experience of doing stuff.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just the stuff that I remember. Like
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: the things that I think, because again, as much as
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: I love movies and like this individual movie, but if
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: I just, especially now, I end up going to the
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: movies by myself. It's like if I go sit there
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: and watch it in the movie by myself, there's no
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: story there. There's no nostalgia there. There's no, like there's
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: nothing to it. So later I'll just be like, oh,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: I like that movie. Versus if I have a like, oh,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: my friends and I went and we went and got
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: dinner and we saw this movie and we had this
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: conversation in the parking lot and like all these other
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: aspects that went into play, then yes, I like the movie.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: But I also have all these other like social attachments
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: that went along with it that make that a way
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: more interesting story and memory. And like it's part of
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: my brain in a way that, you know, is different
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: from I like this movie. So like, yeah, creating the,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: the social aspect of any, you know, same thing with
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: going to a concert, you know, it's like all of
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: those things versus if you're just sitting at home streaming
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: something by yourself, watching something on your phone by yourself,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: like listening to your music on your streaming service, like it's,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: it's a different version of it. So, yeah, I don't know. Again,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: is it better? I think it is, but like our
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: kids that are sitting there listening to it by themselves,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: experiencing it in a better way in their mind. I
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: don't think so, but again, I'm a biased person, so
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: I think that's the question. If you come ask those
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: kids 20 years from now, are they going to nostalgically
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: look back on, I was sitting in my room watching
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: this anime on my phone, and it was the greatest
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: time of my life. I'm like, I don't know, is it?
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like it to me, but again, I'm biased.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I wonder... how much those things change
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: as the world changes, as the technology adjusts and the
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: product itself readjusts. It's like, how much does the way
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: that we consume it readjust as well?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I guess it probably just for maybe
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: just goes into another form. Like, yeah, if you're like,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: if you just watch an anime on your phone when
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: you're 15 and that's the total amount of the experience,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: then yeah, But I guess it's kind of like these podcasts,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: you know, these podcasts are like, like a social outlet where,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I can connect to movie people and like
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: talk about movies, you know, and so it's like, it's like, oh.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: parking lot conversations have now gone online, you know? It's
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: just because, also, people are older, and you don't have,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: you know, eight hours to blow. You know?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think about that. Like, again, I'm putting
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: it very specifically into my version of this, but, like,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: and I tell this sometimes, and people are like, what?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: And even I, even I am flabbergasted that this has
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: ever happened. When we started this show, we did it all...
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: in the same run including because we used to always
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: like kind of talk about a movie so we would
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: show up and hang out first and get rolling and
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: like do the intro and we were like okay we're
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: gonna talk about a movie and we'd go sit down
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: in the living room and watch the movie together yeah
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: and come back and do an entire lengthy discussion as
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: long as the movie itself after the movie And then, like,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, all of that was one episode.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: And, like, I'm like, we did that. Like, that first year,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: year and a half, that happened every time we did it.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: And I was knocking them out once a week. And
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I cannot imagine that happening now. Even, like,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: once every three or four months would be hard to
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: put together with people now. Versus... Again, I would say
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: not that long ago, but this show has been going
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: on a long damn time. But somehow I suckered those
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: people into doing that on a weekly basis. And I'm like,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. Like we were grownups at that point.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: How the hell did we have that amount of time
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: to devote to one episode? of us talking about movies.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: To me, once again, nostalgia-wise, I look back and those
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: were the greatest times of my life. Us sitting in
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: that living room, watching that movie, sitting around that table,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: having the discussion afterwards were amazing. So it's like, that's awesome,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, now things have become so much more
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: complicated and so much more difficult to find the time
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: to do that stuff that I'm like, I don't know
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: how I ever suckered them into doing it and I
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: don't know that it will ever happen again. just trying
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: to put these together. I'm like, you know, can you
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: hammer out a few hours for us to yammer on
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: on the internet? You know, it's like, it's crazy. But like,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: even that is a lot to ask somebody these days. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: It's a, it's a, I guess it's like kind of
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: like being a, uh, the difference between being a young
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: adult where you just have like more time and dedication. Uh, and,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: but it's just like to, to like these kinds of things. And,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: you know, just as like, Things get more... Probably also
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: as you get older, your time just becomes more and
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: more precious.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: You have less of it.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have less of it.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: In every aspect.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Day to day and overall, you have less of it.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: Less of it. So you really got to do things,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: spend your time... You know, wisely, you know, get the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: most value.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they still have a version of
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: that going on now. And again, they're just doing different
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: things with it because like I've never really been a gamer,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: but so many kids are gamers and like the amount
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: of hours they spend logged in. even if they're not playing,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: like logged into streaming services, watching other people play games,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like, and, and talking back and forth
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: and chatting with their friends. Like they're not in the
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: same room, but they're all sharing this experience and gaming
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: takes so long. So this is like hours and hours
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: and hours. These kids are all like sitting on there online,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: talking about stuff, watching stuff. Like, so it's just, yeah,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: different version of kind of that general idea that it's
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: an experience that you're having with other people just in
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: a very different way.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: I think, I think it's just shifted to, to online,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: you know, like, so yeah, like they watch the anime,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: but then they spend six hours talking about it on
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: discord or something, you know?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: There's definitely versions of that still going on. It's just
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: totally different format than it used to be. Yeah.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: For real, man. For real.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: No, I think that's cool. That's cool, man. Yeah, no, yeah.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: These are good topics, Brian.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I knew there was a lot of
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: stuff to dig into. My other main one, let's see.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: There's two different other things I had left. If we're
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: going into the kids, this was, and we've timestamped this
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: very specifically at the beginning there that we're coming out
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: of the new year. So I will go ahead and
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: timestamp it some more by saying, We just went through
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: the wrap-up of, again, we're doing mostly movies, but this was,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: technically this was in a theater by the end, so
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: the wrap-up of the huge series that was Stranger Things.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, got it.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if you even watched any of that,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: but that experience has been interesting because it's, a couple
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: of things happened here. But the main thing that I've
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: taken away from it lately, and I brought this up
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: to somebody yesterday, I was like, I've been online the
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: existence of internet. I've seen a lot of stuff. This
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: may be the most overwhelming thing I've ever seen on
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: my feed. Like, cause there's like even something huge, like, Oh,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: the last star Wars movie that came out and nerds
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: are all talking about it online. But still, I think
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: this hits such a huge market that like there were
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: a couple of days there that that's all like literally
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: all that was on my feed was where people posting
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: pictures from it, posting responses to it, linking videos to
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: people's responses to it, like making snide comments about it,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: making inside jokes about it. Like it was nothing but
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: this one pop culture phenomenon like shoved into the internet.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: And like, that's the only thing that people were talking
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: about for days on end there. I'm like, that's, weird
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: because usually like there's some there's always you know any
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: weekend it's whatever the big thing is tv music concert
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: going on you know something going on somewhere that people
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: are going to yammer on about but it's mixed in
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: with a thousand other things because it's the internet but
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: it's so rare that i've seen something that was so
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: overwhelming on the internet as what happened this last couple
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: of weeks.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah james cameron must be so mad.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: Nobody cares about your dumb blue people. I know I'm
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: in the minority there. I keep seeing them put those
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: out and I was like, dude, would you just make
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: a different movie, please? It's been the last half of
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: your career on this one idea. I get it. I
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: didn't care about it the first movie. I want to
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: see you make some other stuff. I love your early movies.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Make something else, man. totally we'll see maybe this rounded
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: it out for him.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know maybe maybe but it was like nobody's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: talking about it i mean from my feed you know
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: and everything but everybody's talking about stranger things it was
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: like uh if i didn't get the reference i started
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: to assume it was about stranger things you know.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah i mean i mean and that was to
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: make go with our other thing like Months ago, that
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: was true of, like, your Demon Hunter, you know? It's
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: like there were tons of people posting stuff, but it
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: was still, like, peppered in with 20 other things that
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: I normally get stuff on my feed. Where this, like,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: it just overtook it. It wasn't, like, a decent amount
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: of it mixed in there. It was just, that's all
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: that was on there. And I'm like, I guess because,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: once again, it's like it's not... a movie in the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: theater that only some people saw. It's not a TV
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: show that only some people saw. It crossed so many
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: lines that it like, it was streaming. It was on
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: a streaming service that probably the biggest one that everybody has. If,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: if they have a streaming service, most generic ass people
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: are going to have that one. It was also kind
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: of a TV show, but it got so huge. It
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: spilled over and they were playing it in movie theaters.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: So it's like it, it crossed over into a different,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: you know, type of crowd there too. So it's like,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: It just spread out and became so overwhelming pop culture-wise
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: that it ended up everywhere. And everybody, even if they
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: just wanted to bitch about it, which was a lot
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: of what I saw, they just had to get on
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: the internet and talk about it. And I was like,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: it's weird.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: That's cool.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: Again, it's interesting to see that stuff make its way
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: on there because normally people are so closed off to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: pop culture, depending on who they are. I'm talking about
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: the regular folk again. But also just like it's always
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: so splintered where this was like such a massive pop
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: culture wave that it just like took over everything. Yeah.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's interesting that, you know, my eldest daughter was feeling,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: she's like going, she gets so much crap. She was
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: getting so much crap from people she knows because she
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: hasn't watched it, you know? And she's going like, I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: kind of got to like, She's going through a thing
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: now where, like, she'll, like, go, like, if you have
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: not seen certain things, you will not be part of
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: the culture of your time, you know?
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of true. And sometimes you, like,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: if you miss the wave, it's like, there are so
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: many movies that, like, I'll hear about for 10 years
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: and I'll finally get around to watching them, like, Yeah,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: I think I missed it. Like, if I would have
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: gotten on board right then and there, I might have been, like,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: part of that little fan base. But I'm like, now
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: I watch it and I'm just like, eh, I don't
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: see it. I don't know what everybody's going on about.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: I think that's part of it.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like people who come to America from
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: other countries and they don't get any of the pop
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: culture references. So it's, like, hard for them to, you know... Uh, that's,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: that's what my, uh, daughter was experiencing towards stranger things.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: Just going like, I haven't seen this. So it was like,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: I can't have conversations, you know? It's like, so you
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: kind of got to just watch it just so you
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: can have a conversation with people.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's, that's another weird thing that's changed over
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: the years. Cause that used to be like, it would
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: take you coming from another culture essentially to be that disconnected. Right.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: Because society was overall so slow moving that like, you know, every,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: it would be a generational thing. Every 10, 15 years,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: things would change enough that you'd be like, I don't
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: know what these kids are talking about now. Yeah. Versus now,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: like everything changes so much that like within a week,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: everybody will be so into this that you feel out
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: of touch. And then by next week, they'll all move
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: on to something else. You know, it's like it changes everything.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: almost on a weekly basis of what people's interests are
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: and like you have to be riding that wave basically
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: if you want to be culturally tapped in and like
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: in the middle of all the conversations you really have
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: to be like okay what are they into what are
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: they watching am i going to get this service just
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: so i can watch it and be part of that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: like now you can't even get to everything it's not
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: like the old days when you turn to channel three
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: and i can watch that like now you've got to
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: make purchasing choices to get on board with this wave
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: of pop culture and it's like you've got to plan
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: ahead to make sure you have bought the right thing
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: to allow you to have access to this, so that
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: you can watch that and not feel left out in
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: a conversation. And by next week, that'll all be done
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: and we're watching something else anyway. So it's like, it
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: moves at such a faster pace now. Everything changes so
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: quickly that, like, yeah, you've got to, it's just pop
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: culture surfing at this point. You're just, you're riding the
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: wave or you're wiped out and you don't know what
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: the hell's going on. Yeah.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And, you know, I'm not the guy that, that, oh,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to watch it because it's popular. It's
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: just like I just have a limited amount of time,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: and so it takes me a while to get around
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: to stuff.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: There are so many shows that I fall into that,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: especially shows. Like movies, I'll try to– but again, even
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: that I'm kept out of because I don't want to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: keep buying more services. So like that I'm locked out
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: of financially speaking because I can't shell out the amount
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: of money you need to watch anything ever that has
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: ever been made. Right. Because it's all available, but only
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: if you want to throw money at it.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, ugh, stop. Yeah, yeah. I got
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: a budget.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: No, I would say... Well, like, the latest thing that
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: I just finished, that I... You know, the last episode
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: was probably, like, seven years ago. I just binged Community.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: And I thought that was hilarious.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: But... Like, that's Jimmy Chase guy. People love him, right?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: He's hilarious. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: But he's like... The show's like 15 years old and
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: I go like, I finally got around to watching Community.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Finally, I can talk about what everybody's talking about. Community. Community.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which is, but it's funny. I heard somebody the
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: other day say something that's very true. It's like, now
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: when you watch a show, you see every episode. And
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: it used to be that would be crazy.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, unless you were home on Tuesday nights at
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: 8 o'clock, you didn't see that. They were going back
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: to watch it. Maybe you'd catch a rerun later, but
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: it might be a year later before they play that
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: one again.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You didn't watch every episode sequentially,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: you know, all at one time, you know? And if
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: you did, it would be like, get a life.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: What is wrong with this loser? you can't leave the
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: house because Happy Days is on? Come on, man. Live life.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with you?
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like Happy Days. It probably went on like 10 years, right?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: Or whatever. Like 11.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: It was a long damn time.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: It just went on and on and on and on.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: And so you caught some episodes, you missed some episodes, whatever.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: But nowadays... When you say you've seen something, you've watched
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: it on streaming and you've watched every episode.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: And it takes a thousand hours of this one thing.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: A thousand hours. Right, right. You know, so this community thing.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: Talking about you, Grey's Anatomy. I know several people. Like,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't care about that show when it came on, which, whatever.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: If that's your thing, that's fine. And again, I know
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: several people that are really into that show. And I'm
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: just like... but they have had to watch all of it.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's damn near Simpsons level now. It's
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: been on forever. And I'm like, why would you sign
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: on to watch that many seasons of a weird drama
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: going on in a hospital? I'm like, I'm barely entertained
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: by those. I might watch an episode of Scrubs, but
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: even then, do I need to log in to watch
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: every episode of it that ever existed so I can
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: watch the new season of it that's about to start?
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: Oh my God. I tried to put on scrubs the
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: other day and watched the first episode. It was like,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like on that old format TV show,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: you know, the old four by three, you know, aspect ratio.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: And it looks like it was shot on, uh, on
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: ASO vision, you know? And I was going like, how old?
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: A whole new season.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: It was like looking at a, I love Lucy rerun.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, Those are also fascinating. Sometimes for different reasons.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for real. Yeah, a new season, I guess, Zach
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: Braff or something, you know, whatever, back to the book.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: But I used to like it back in the day
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: that I was going like, this is a funny show,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: but then I was going like, wow, time has passed, man.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: Time has passed. sometimes you don't have anything else to
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: do so you come back for a reboot.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: Good enough yeah supposedly they're making a community movie or
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: something like that so i'm like all right all right.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: But uh seven seasons in a movie you know.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah i don't know yeah yeah it's like uh but
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: i don't know so yeah like these things come up
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: later you know one day i'll watch game of thrones
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: but you know fantasy you know whatever but.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: This was, and again, it only partially tied into the
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: specifics that it was Stranger Things, but because as they
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: put those out, those were like, especially when they started
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: announcing the three waves that were coming out and the
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: super extended episodes they were doing, because they were like,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: this is the final season, so we're going to tell
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: this big story, but they were doing longer episodes, and
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: so when it got to that last one, I talked
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: to a couple of people over that weekend when it
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: got dropped, and like, Two different people, at least, of
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: varying ages went, oh, it's like two hours or something, man.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, wait, what? I was like, are we so
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: used to our... five-second clips on our phone, and, like,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: you can't sit down for two hours. And one of them, okay,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: was at least, like, a 16-year-old that was like, oh, that's, like,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: the length of a movie. And I was like, all right,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that you said that. The other person
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: was in their 50s, and I'm like, okay, there's no
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: excuse for you. You grew up in olden times. This is, like,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: essentially a movie closing out this series. You've watched movies
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: before in your life. There's no excuse for you. Like,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is the problem with us that, like,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't even follow suit. It's like, because you
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: can't sit down, you don't have the attention span to
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: watch a two hour movie slash episode of this series.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: And yet you're gonna sit down and watch 17 hours
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: of this series that you want to watch because you
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: have to get the entirety of it in. So you
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: can say that you've watched whatever it is. So I'm like, how?
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: We don't even follow suit anymore. I don't understand. Our
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: attention span is like, the freaking pendulum. Like, it's all
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: over the place. It's like, we can only watch 10
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: second clips on TikTok versus now I want to watch
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: the entirety of this streaming series. But we're going to
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: complain about a two hour episode of a season of something.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's the level of engagement. I mean,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: because you can scroll on your phone on an app
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: for four hours and, you know, but you've just been,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of like those little bugs. on the
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: uh on the top of a lake you know that
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: just use the surface tension of the water to.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: I'm only kind of paying attention to this yeah but
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: i'm staying on the surface of it enough to kill four.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: Hours right right so you're just kind of like this
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: hypnotic state you know uh that when you wake up from,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: you know, you're like, you just, it's a flood of
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: shame of the time you've wasted.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Well, see, I think that's you. I feel like normal
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: people don't even acknowledge that. Like, it's like, yeah, I
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: was looking at my phone. What? Like, that's just, that
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: is status quo. That is business as usual. Like, this
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: is how I get through my day. Like, I don't
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: even think it registers for most people now. Yeah.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: I go like, just, you know, that's what, when I
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: drive through, uh, you know, when I just go out
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: into the world, you know, you just notice all the
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: people on their phones all the time, you know, like
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: kids on the, at the, at the, uh, bus stop,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: you know, they're all just in their own phones and, uh,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: people out in the world, everybody's on their phone. And
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: I go like, you know, I don't advocate smoking and
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: everything like that, but you know, smokers used to, you
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: could go out and you would have a conversation with like, uh, people,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. I think the replacement of
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: smoking with cell phones is probably healthier for your entire body,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: but mentally, I don't know if it's better for you.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: But it's still going on, because I've been annoyed at that,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: and always have, the smoke break aspect of the workday,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: whereas the smoker people just go wander off and do
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: whatever for what is maybe supposed to be 10 minutes,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: but I won't see him for 20 minutes. So I'm like, well, wait,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: where's mine? I've chosen to not do that, and yet
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: I get penalized because I might not die as quickly.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know. What's the reason there? I was like,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: screw that. So now I'm taking smoke breaks to not
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: go smoke. I'm like, basically, I'm just going to go
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: be away from you guys for 10 minutes or so,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: and then maybe I'll come back and not murder everyone
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: in the building. So again, that's become my sanity smoke
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: break of like, okay, I'm going to go take a
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: break to get away from you and get a little
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: perspective on life in general. And then I'll come back
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: and hopefully get on with the day. And like, that's
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: what all the smoking people do. But I'm like, I'm
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: just not going to go suck down. Cause it's like
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: the older generation are still out there with cigarettes. The younger,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: middle-aged version are out there with their vapes. So they're
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: still out there doing it. I'm just like, I don't
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: want to hang out with either of you, but I'm
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: going to go wander around for 10 minutes because I'm
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: tired of this smoke break nonsense if I'm not getting one.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: Making my mental health breaks.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. I've got my fidget spinner break.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: That'll also work, and it's probably better for you. Although today,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: was it yesterday, I saw a news report that was
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: like the physical study that they're doing on the like
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: weird gadgety things that everybody's messing with their hands. And
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: they're like the damage it could do tonight at 11 o'clock.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: So whatever you're doing to your hand with your fidget
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: spinner is going to take its toll, man. Don't you worry.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: Don't find something to be, to have a hard hitting
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: news story about. Is it ruining your child's life?
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: Oh my God. Yeah, exactly. Panic of the moment. Oh
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: my lord, yeah.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: The only other one, if you want me to get
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: the check off the last thing on the list of
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: weird things of the moment and life in general. So
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: this I heard someone talking about lately and I was like,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: wait a minute.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: What the hell is going on? And I've been aware
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: of this, but it was funny that it was just
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: all spelled out and I was like, hey, wait a minute. So,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: we've been on many different points in this conversation and
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: talked about the streaming services and like the way that
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: we consume all of this stuff so all right you
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: go back in time we were watching broadcast tv on
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: you know beaming into your home with commercials and you're
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: getting your you're getting your feed of tv and consumerism
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: and it's beamed into your house for free and you're
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: watching it with your folgers ads and whatever else right
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: So then we come to a monumental moment when cable
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: gets involved. And we're like, okay, we're going to come
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: up with a better option. We're going to give you
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: this TV. Now, you have to pay for it, but
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: there's no commercials. So it's okay because you can watch
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: your movies and there's no interruptions with commercials.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: And we'll even come up with.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: Our own programming and no commercials.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: It's great.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: So then it's more expensive, but, you know, you get
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: into that and you start doing that for the rest
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: of your life. So for years and years, people are
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: just like, all right, well, you get cable. That's how
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: you exist. Then we come up with the magic of streaming.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: So we're like, all right, now it's cheaper than cable.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: That was the selling point for so long there. It's like,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: look how much cheaper it is when I just get
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: this one service and then I'm watching my stuff and
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: I don't have to pay for cable, which got really
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: expensive because they had the monopoly and they could do
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: whatever they wanted.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: And it's streaming. There's no commercials. So this is great.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: It's right back to the selling point. So now it's
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: like we've come, it continues to come full circle. So
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: now streaming services got more and more expensive over and
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: over again. Then we also had them fraction and splintered
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: out into a million different versions. So if you want
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: to watch the things you said, as I was complaining
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: about earlier, you have to get all of these services, essentially.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: So now you're equally spending as much as you did
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: for overpriced cable if you get them all, or you're
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: just not able to watch anything. But at least, okay,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: I'm paying way too much for all these streaming services,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: but at least there's no commercials. Except now they've changed
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: all the rules, and they all have commercials. At least
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: if you're a budget version of it, they all have ads.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: So now.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: You're watching it... You're paying way too much for your
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: streaming services... Yeah... Splintered over all these different ones... And
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: you're still getting ads on everything... What are we doing?
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: We're right back where we started.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: We're not only back where we started... But we're paying
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: way too much for it... Versus the free broadcast television... Yeah...
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: And we're still getting all the commercials we used to
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: get back in the 50s when they were like, hey,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: you know what would work? If we start putting ads
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: in the middle of these and pay for these TV programs.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: So it's like the worst of both worlds.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. I mean, the new budget now for the $ 7. 99 version...
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: You can't even choose. It's just going to be like
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: a stream. And things will come on at a certain time.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: Which ads do you want? We'll charge you this much
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: a month to bring you the ads that you want
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: to watch versus the ads that you don't want to watch.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: Right, right. The people who have figured out the algorithm
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 4: the best is the Hulu-Disney combo. Because if you get
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: the ad version of that, They get it where it's like, okay,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: they'll get you the first, you know, 30 minutes or
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: so without a commercial break. And then they'll give you
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: like two commercials. And then, you know, it gets longer
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 4: commercial breaks with shorter intervals as the show progresses where
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: you get so frustrated. It's not like, like if I
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: like watch something on Tubi, I can sort of, I'm
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: okay with the commercials because I can get up and
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: do stuff, you know?
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: I argue that. Tubi, I find infuriating.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: Infuriating? Okay.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like it does that same thing, really. But
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: maybe you're just more used to it. I feel like
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: I only watch Tubi for specific movies to talk about
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: on this show. I really don't watch it a ton.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: So that might be why.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 4: It's pretty intense on this stuff. But the Hulu one,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: eventually you go like, look, I know it's like $ 10 more,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: but I just can't watch a movie like this anymore.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. They have leverage now. They're just like, oh,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: you want to watch this without ads, huh? Okay, we
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: can hook that up for you. Yeah. it's all just
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: like selling you the spin of it. I'm like, well,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: you want this movie? Well, you got to get this service. Oh,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: you want the service with no ads? Well, you got
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: to pay this much. Like each thing leads to another step.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: That's just the thing that you want and the way
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: that you want to get it. But we got to
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: take more and more money each time.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: It's like, it's like a black mirror episode, you know?
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: And that's like the more I thought about it, like
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: we have just completely come full circle. And each step
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: of the way, we act like we're like getting away
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: from that thing that we hated. And then we come
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: right back around to it, only worse each time because
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: we find a new way to charge more money or
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: to make it harder. Like it's so ridiculous that like
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: we've just continually gone through these steps and each time
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: we sell it like it's a better version. And then
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: you give it 10 years and it's right back where
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: you started, only more expensive. Right back where you started.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's what it feels like yeah for real for
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: real yeah.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: Our lives they're ridiculous and they are.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: They are but i mean most of my kids though
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: those streaming services they'll take and leave it it's youtube
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: is rules all you know.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: But i mean that still has tons of ads like
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: i i watch that and i actually of the music
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: that i listen to i said earlier i go with
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: that because i like the way that it Their algorithm
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: works better. The few times I've had other people that
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: had different, more specific, and overly known for music systems,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: I won't name them, but I hate the algorithm. I
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: want to argue with the algorithm, whatever they're playing. I'm like,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: that doesn't even belong with that last song. Who's doing this?
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: I want to argue with the algorithm and the computer
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: mind that's programming this nonsense since we don't have human
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: DJs anymore. So I'm like, at least that would be
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: a person behind it. But whatever computer is picking these
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: things is infuriating. Whereas I like and I feel like
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more just general variety to what's coming
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: on the YouTube feed. So I actually like YouTube better
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: as that. But again, they for something that didn't really
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: used to have ads. and then had minimal ads. Now,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: you get a lot of ads.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: There are a lot of ads.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: At least they're skippable sometimes, where you don't get a
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: lot of times in your streaming services, where YouTube, just
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: random old YouTube, a lot of them, half of the time,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: you can skip. So there's at least that, I guess. Yeah.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That was one of my recent things.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: Not that I wasn't aware of it. It was just
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: very pinpointed to me, and I went, wait a minute,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: you're right. Like, it just... It just fit in this
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: wave of stupid queen. Like, pretty stupid, actually.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it will be fully full circle when they take
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: away your option to pick what you want to watch,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I said. When your option is, which of
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: these commercials do you want to watch? And there's no
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: show involved.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 4: You're just watching commercials.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: Just a stream of commercials. But for $ 9. 99, you can
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: pick which commercials you're forced to watch. Yeah. Can I
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: pick a show? No, there's no show. But you can
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: pick which of these commercials you can watch. And then
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: you can choose if you want to buy those things
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: versus the $ 4. 99 thing, they just send it to your house.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 4: You don't get to pick.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: It just shows up on your porch because you saw
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: the commercial.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: It's all just part of consumer tax because we're all
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: just going to be on monthly assured income because AI
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: is going to take all the jobs. So they're just
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 4: going to give us a stipend. And the tax is
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: going to be like, there's going to be like 10%
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 4: of your paycheck is going to go to, you know,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 4: like a shopping tax. That just pays for a certain
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: amount of stuff that's going to come to your house,
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: you know. The red ball shows up on your porch.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 4: Just winds up on your porch.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: And you throw it away and you get another one tomorrow.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: It's like everything's a mystery box. You get about five
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: mystery box care packages each. You know, and you open it,
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 4: and sometimes you open it and go like, oh my gosh,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: I was talking about this the other day, and now
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: I have it. You know?
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: I just need, I really need this tube of food
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: for my space food that NASA has sent me on
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: my porch. Because again, any specific finer points of it
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: will all just be completely washed out, and it'll just
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: be like toothpaste tubes of food. Be like, mmm, beef tube, good.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: I'm glad this showed up on my porch. Last week,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: I got wheat tube.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: Lame.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was so hungry. This came in the right
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: neck of time.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: So that's the future we're heading toward. They just drop
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: ship the tubes of food to your house and you
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: just squeeze them down to your gullet.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: Shut up, consumer.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: We've already taken the money out of your account. You
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: have no say in this.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: Keep consuming so we can send you more.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: There'll be a resurgence of hunter-gatherer culture. People with their
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: rifles shooting the drones out of the sky and taking them.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: That will be the real rebel uprising as we start
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: taking down the drones.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: Living in the woods with our stolen drone food.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: They'll never find me.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: I don't even have a porch. They can't give me stuff.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: I don't have a porch. just living in a tree
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: house somewhere on your stolen toothpaste tubes.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, just having Skynet nightmares. I mean, just, uh,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 4: my kids are so anti AI, you know.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: And, uh, I like that.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: That's yeah. They, they, they, they're not buying it. They're
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 4: not buying it. They're going like, I need to learn
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 4: how to read and write, you know? And, um, what
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 4: are these kids?
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Right.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 4: Exactly. But a lot of their big, concerned about it
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: is like the supposedly the environmental impact it has where
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: uh these server farms just suck so much energy you.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: Know i've heard that story recently.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: Yep yeah yeah and so they're going like so you
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 4: think you're it's just like a harmless hey uh they're
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: mad that like google has a default ai now you
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: know where it just gives you like this ai uh
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: information first you know And they go like, I don't
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: want to use AI because the AI is like on
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 4: these server farms that are sucking up all this energy.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 4: And it's really bad for the environment. So I can't
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 4: just like do it like a normal search anymore. It's
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: all going into those servers. And so, you know, there's
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: just like the thought of like people, the anti-AI uprisings
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: of once it starts taking everybody's jobs of people storming
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: the server farms and And so you just get these
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: great sci-fi stories popping into your head of like guarded
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: server farms, you know, with like deadlines, you know, death
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: lines that if you cross this, a sentry robot will
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: turn you into mincemeat, you know?
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: Sniper towers with little robot arms.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: Motion detected looking for any humans trying to sneak in
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: and bring down the farm.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: Bring down the server farm so they can get their
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 4: jobs back. Um, but also then, you know, there's also
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 4: just the concern that, you know, it takes so much
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 4: energy that they're talking about, you know, creating like these
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: little mini, uh, nuclear power plants to, to, uh.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: Just have one in your house.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, sure.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: A little reactor over by the dryer. They'll be like, oh, yeah,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: got to keep that thing running. Yeah.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 4: So the server.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: Got my daily shipment of plutonium.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 4: Dump that in there.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: You don't want the drone to drop that. That's not
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: going to go well.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, no.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: Easy landing on those, please.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 4: You got to be careful. So you got the little
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 4: nuclear power plant connected to the server farms. And so
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 4: then you just go like, well, you know, you don't
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 4: want to ever give like AI the nuclear codes, but
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 4: if they have a nuclear power plant like right connected
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 4: to them, I mean, how do you keep the consciousness
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: from just, you know, What do you call it? Melting
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 4: down the... I mean, I guess it's like... I guess
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: it would be self-death is mutually assured destruction, I guess.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: Unless they could pick which areas they would have the
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: robot farms where they could reassemble themselves and then go
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: wander the wasteland not worrying about being overtaken by the
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: fallout that's left behind. It's just planning. They just really
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: need to plan. Skynet's on top of it. Don't worry.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, they just got to take it over. Yeah, but
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 4: I was just thinking, man, it could just make that
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 4: nuclear power plant melt down, and then, yeah, we've got
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: this real problem.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: We've cleared out all those pesky humans that are bringing
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: down this planet, which I kind of agree with, really.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: But it's also the weirdest, dumbest places, because just to
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: bring it all full circle, to bring it back around,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: as I set up this thing that we're talking into
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: right now, We have this program that brought the two
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: of us together with the magic of the internet. And
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: as I loaded it up this time, it kept bringing
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: up this little pop-up window that wanted me to initiate
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: the AI guide to help us do this the whole time.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, dude, what? Like, Are you going to
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: guide us to not have dumb human thoughts? Because we
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: probably needed that, but obviously I did not click on
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: that one because these are our dumb human thoughts for
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: the whole of this episode. So I'm like, what are
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: you going to do? What are you telling me, AI?
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: What assistance are you giving me? Just push record.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: We're doing the show. The rest of it is us spouting,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: why do we need you? So for the weirdest things
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: it wants to insert AI now, So this could have
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: been brought to you by AI, but it was not
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: because I did not opt for it.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, shit, Brian.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: Sorry, everyone.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: This is something weird. All right. This is.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 4: So this does pull it all together. Magic of Podcasts.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 4: Did you know... Okay. This is going to piss you off.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: Are you ready?
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: A lot of things do. It's fine.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: Did you know you can go into the Microsoft AI,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 4: it's called the Copilot, all right? Go to Copilot. You say, Copilot,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 4: I'm interested in this subject. Will you create a podcast
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 4: for me to listen to on this subject? And it
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 4: does it.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, that doesn't surprise me, actually.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: And then I was on this mummy kick, all right?
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: And so... I went on and said, like, Copilot, give
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 4: me a podcast about the Universal series of mummies. All right?
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: And what it did, it generated about a 15-minute conversation
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 4: between two robots that sounded natural, like 98% natural, talking
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: about mummy movies. All right? Now, it is AI. It
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: is kind of stupid. They did talk about, they mainly
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: focused on the Brendan Fraser movies.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: This is why you need humans involved. Otherwise you get
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: the Brendan Fraser mummy movie. I know that's come back around.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: They're going to make another one. And all the people
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: of the certain age loved that movie. And that is
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: the nostalgia hit for them. that's me that was never
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: my mummy so it's fine but but if you like
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: it yeah if you like it it's fine i don't
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: care it's fine i actually saw it on again it
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: was on without volume on a tv the other day
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: and i was looking at it going i mean i
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: guess i need to re-watch it i don't even remember
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: most of what went on i knew i was just
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: knee-jerk reaction i was like that's not the mummy what
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: the hell is this and It was a lot of CG,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't totally sold on Brendan Fraser, which, again,
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: everybody loves him now. It's fine. He seems like a
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: cool guy. Yeah, he seems like a cool guy, and
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: he went through some shit back then. So, like, I
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: feel for him as a human. I just didn't like
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: that movie.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: But, yeah.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: So, that tells me a lot that their robot knee-jerk
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: reaction was to go right for those Mummy movies. The
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: most computer-made, the most CG-created... overrun movie. So of course
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, these are our favorites. I don't know why.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: We just really like these that are all computer-y.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 4: They see that Mummy 2 Rock Scorpion King bad animation
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 4: as like cave paintings.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, my cousin made that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: That's what funded us getting this show. All that Scorpion
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: King money came in and that's how we formed this
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: Mummy show that you're listening to right now.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was weird. It was weird. And so, yeah, it's,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 4: it's not like it doesn't have like a, so yeah,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's, it's the problem, you know, humans weren't involved.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: So of course they're talking about Brendan Fraser movies, but
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: you know, it was interesting that I could do that.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 4: And that's, and, and I'm going like, man, give it
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 4: five years, dude. I mean, Jesus, it's just so freaking scary.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: Cause I mean, it is, yeah, it is like the
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: few times I got really don't even like, I'm so
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: not even familiar with it. I don't, know how to
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: do most of it because i just haven't bothered so
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: like i'm busy making my own dumb thing so i
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: don't need to mess with the robot version of the
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: dumb thing right but i i know several people and
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: like one like every time they have to do something
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: now they're like oh so i told chat gpt to
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: do this for me and i was like wait and
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: it didn't like i'm always like again i'm like completely
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: out of the way i'm like wait it did what
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: for you like it wrote your letter for what it
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: did made you this thing it did that and i'm
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: just like yeah how the hell is that work and
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: how wrong is that a good portion of what's happening
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: right now? Because what little I see is always like,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: what is that? You have no idea what you're doing, computer.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: So mine was mostly just making up the bad artwork
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: to go with these episodes, which is really the only
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: thing I did. And I'm like, why can't you make
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: a foot? Why do you not understand how knees work?
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: It's the most basic human anatomy that it can't wrap
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: its computer brain around. So I'm just like, I don't
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: know how to trust you with anything else when you
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: don't know what fingers look like, you know?
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's a very basic thing that you
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: need to get first, and then I'll let you, like,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: handle the nuclear codes. But, like, first, let's make a
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: finger to push the button, and then you won't need
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: a finger to push the button.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 4: Well, as, you know, there was a moment there where
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 4: when I first started using it, it was like, oh,
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 4: my gosh, this is so amazing, right? And then, but
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 4: as we were talking about, like, consumerism and actually going
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 4: to the store and buying something, it was now like,
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 4: I go like, I kind of, I probably overused it
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: at first. And then I'm going like, you know what?
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 4: I kind of missed the process of thinking my own thoughts. Yeah.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, at least it's occurring to you. I feel
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: like a lot of humanity won't even have that thought anymore.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: And they'll just be like, huh, I wonder what the
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: computer thinks I should think right now.
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, they say like people our age, you know,
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 4: use it as like, like an advanced Google search. But
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 4: there's like the younger folks, you know, the people, teenagers,
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 4: they're like adopting it like as like their operating system.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is how I do my schoolwork.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: Do my thing for me. And it does. And you're done.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, that's convenient. I mean, I'm sure
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: I wish I had that when I was a kid
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: because I didn't want to do my dumb schoolwork. But
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: at the same time, like, how do you learn to
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: do anything like other than operate the computer?
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 4: And that's the problem.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: And like, is that all you need to know? Like
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: if moving forward, all we need is to be able
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: to tell the computer to do everything. Maybe that is like,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: maybe you don't need all this information stored in your
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: head as long as it's stored in the computer and
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: you know what buttons to push to tell it to
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: do the right thing. Like, again, I don't like this land,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: but I see us ending up there.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 4: It's a, it's the, it's the first stages of being, uh,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 4: What do you want to call it? The next stage
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 4: of humanity. Or what is it called? Transhuman. You know,
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 4: we're like... Post-apocalyptic future. Yeah, I don't know.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: That's how I see it, but yeah. I mean, I'm
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: all for cyberpunk. That's what I want. Cyberpunk existence, but
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: not so connected... Like even then, it's like you're just
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: your normal human self with your bad punk attitude, but
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: with a cyborg arm. That's fine. I want that. I
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: want to be able to live in a Robocop body.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't want the computer doing all the thinking
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: for me. I'm not saying my thoughts aren't dumb, but
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: I at least want to have them of my own
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: dumb thoughts. I don't want it to do all the
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: thinking for me. I just want it to have the
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: technology to give me a new robot arm when mine
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: gets ripped off in some sort of industrial accident. Because
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to fight down the cyber farms.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: If I lose an arm, then you can get a
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: cyborg arm to get around.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: This is the future. This is the future. This is our...
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: our future society and forever. And that's where we've been
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: going this journey. we've been how things are presently going
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: and where we're going into our dystopian future.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah no i love it brian this was really good
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 4: this was kind of like uh a talk show where
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 4: we reviewed headlines and stuff like that.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: We reviewed life as a whole.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. I like this format, man. I mean, you
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 4: actually had really good topics to come up with. If
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: you had left this to me, I would have been like,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: Well, again, because we decided to not do a specific movie,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, let's go real broad. Let's go
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: general how life is going.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 4: And here we are. Yeah, yeah. No, this was perfect because,
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 4: I've probably seen like one movie that I remember and
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 4: so this was good just a good general state of
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: the union I.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: Thought that would be more what we'd go with this
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: time and the next time we'll just come back and
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: pick a dumb movie and talk about.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 4: That for a long time dumb thoughts about dumb movies
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 4: that's what.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: We do here we don't need any computer thinking for
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: us we have our own dumb.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 4: Thoughts that's right that's right misguided and full of bias.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: And somewhere right now a computer is transcribing these words
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: and they're not happy about.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: It yeah it's not it's not because that's.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: The scary thing is all of these you can also
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: hit transcribe now and it has it all in printed
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: format and i'm like Really? Why? Why are you listening
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: to me, computer? Quit taking this down. Stop taking notes.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: Stop it.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 4: Just let it be what it is. So it can
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 4: feed it into the algorithm. So now you can get
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 4: targeted ads.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: So now we will be targeted by those computers because
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: they know we're onto them.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: That's it. They're going, these people are talking.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: It's fed into the algorithm now and they know where
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: to find us. They'll show up on our porch like
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: the Tide Pod. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: They'll take us out. These guys are talking about burning
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 4: down the server farms. Well, they are, you know, yeah.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, I know where to find them.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 4: That's right. We've got a drone with a machine gun
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 4: coming to them.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the machine gun shows up and takes you out.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 4: It's going to be like Maximum Overdrive. That's what you
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: get for thinking.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: We'll be attacked by a soda can.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: Who made who?
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: A giant vending machine will show up and take us out.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: Start firing Pepsi at us.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 4: Who knew maximum overdrive was going to be so prophetic?
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait till the goblin truck shows up.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: It's going to be awesome. It's the only cool part
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: about our future. That big tractor trailer goblin face comes
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: smashing through your home.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 4: That's so funny, because they're saying the truckers are going
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 4: to be the first people to be displaced by the
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 4: self-driving semis.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: Did you not see Logan, for God's sakes? You guys
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: are dinosaurs. You're about to go extinct. That was my
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: favorite part of that future, because I was like, no,
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: that's pretty close, man. That's where we are now. We're
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: living this life already. Amazing. So, yeah, there you go. Wild.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: that's the future that lies before us people so we
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: found our way there this has been quite a.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 4: Journey man you gotta you gotta end it with like
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 4: the uh rounded up with like uh assault from precinct
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 4: 13 or uh escape from new york music on the
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 4: outro not.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: Who made who i mean i thought we were just
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: going out on who made who.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 4: No, that's it. That's it, man. That's the one to do.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for going along on this ridiculous journey.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: And anyone else out there who made it through listening,
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: good for you. And at least you're aware now that
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: the computers are coming to take you out. Yep.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: Ever vigilant. Yep.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 4: And there's old men shaking their fists at it. Shaking future.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, that about does it. We will see you next time.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: Thanks, y'all.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: The video games is blaming me Facing on a level
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: where they take you every time On a one-on-one.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 6: Feeling running down your spine Nothing's gonna save you one
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 6: last time Cause Hit on.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 7: You, through and through.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 6: The date banks know my number Says I gotta pay
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 6: cause I made a degree last year Feeling run out town,
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 6: you screwed Kick around the world, though rain the thing,
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 6: but it can do, do.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: To you.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 6: Who made who? Who made you?
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: Who made who?
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: Nobody told you.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 4: Who made who? Who made you?
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 6: If you're the owner, they made who? Who picked up
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 6: the bill and who made who? Ain't nobody told you
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 6: Who made who? Who made you?
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: The satellite sent me pictures.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 6: Face in the eye, take it to the wide, it's
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 6: spinning like a dynamo. Feeling on the round, round. Running
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 6: out of chips, you got no lying in the town.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 6: So don't look down, no. Whoa.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 4: On me, who?
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 6: Who made you? Who made who? Nobody told you Who
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 6: made who? Who made you? If you don't gonna tell
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 6: me who Who picked up the bill and who made who?
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 6: And nobody told.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: You Who made who?
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 4: Who made who? I look at like this, this world
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 4: where everything actually works where, you know, there isn't like
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 4: a mess everywhere where everything's fitting together and everybody seems
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 4: to get along and, I go like, oh, this is
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 4: just like some weird sterile utopian society that could never
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 4: actually be, you know, but I kind of like just,
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 4: I kind of like the vibe versus creating like, you know,
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 4: these fetishization of like an intergalactic military industrial complex.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: Makes more sense, obviously.
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