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Corrupt UK child support targets men: Glitches, or gaslighting? | HBR Talk 420 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: that we're going to be talking about today. So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about the corrupt UK child support
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  Speaker 1: system that targets men. Glitches or gaslighting? I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: that was last week. But in the meantime, we do
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  Speaker 1: not have fresh baked Italian bread. And I am tired already.
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  Speaker 1: Mostly tired of this. So one of the things I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned in low bar, I know they've said this is
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  Speaker 1: all computer glitches, but everything we're reading about here, everything
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  Speaker 1: we read about last week, everything we're going to read
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  Speaker 1: about this week, this shit all happens in the US.
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  Speaker 1: The only difference is They don't pretend that a computer
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  Speaker 1: did it. They just straight up admit, we think that
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  Speaker 1: you should be making more than minimum wage at your job.
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  Speaker 1: We don't believe you, therefore, or at least we're going
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  Speaker 1: to say we don't believe you. And we are going
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  Speaker 1: to base your child support on more money than you
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  Speaker 1: have disclosed to us. And they do on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have to go have a hearing. and
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  Speaker 1: try to get it reduced if you have the money
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  Speaker 1: to pay for a lawyer. If not, because they're taking
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  Speaker 1: it all before you get paid, then they just indefinitely
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  Speaker 1: take money based on you making money that you didn't make.
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  Speaker 1: Or they put you in arrears and keep you there
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  Speaker 1: because they're actually in some states, they're only allowed to
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  Speaker 1: take percentage of your pay. Like in Ohio, they can't
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  Speaker 1: take more than 60% of your gross, which after taxes
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  Speaker 1: leaves you with 15% of your gross because taxes takes
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  Speaker 1: out a pretty big bunch too. So I have my
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  Speaker 1: doubts about this just being all, you know, oh, the
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  Speaker 1: computer did it. The That there are probably. Child maintenance workers. Who.
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  Speaker 1: Do this. The same. Thing in the UK. Like that.
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  Speaker 1: Just put in the wrong information on purpose. And basically.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he says he makes. 50,000 a year. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that at that job. He should be making 65,000.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm going to put in. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Insert currency here.
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  Speaker 4: That's how they got Tyrese.
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  Speaker 1: That does not surprise me.
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  Speaker 4: Because Tyrese was an actor in The Fast and the Furious,
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  Speaker 4: and he got a woman in England pregnant, and she
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  Speaker 4: took him to court.
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  Speaker 1: And they decided that he must make, and he said
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  Speaker 1: he did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the court said he must make millions and millions,
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  Speaker 4: so they did the percentage on that, but he hasn't
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  Speaker 4: been in the movie in years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the, you know, the same thing, I think
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  Speaker 1: I've told this story before, but, um, when my husband
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  Speaker 1: was going to school for, uh, massage therapy. Now, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you are in school for massage therapy, like you're
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  Speaker 1: taking the classes and you're going to graduate this year,
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  Speaker 1: but you haven't graduated yet. Um, you are not certified.
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  Speaker 1: There's something called, um, An internship. Similar to. It's similar to.
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  Speaker 1: Internships for. The trades. But I don't think you get. Paid.
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  Speaker 1: But you do work hours. And sometimes they'll send you.
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  Speaker 1: To a facility to do it. Sometimes the university he
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  Speaker 1: went to. They did it at the university.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 1: You have to do so many hours. Of work. But
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  Speaker 1: once you get paid. isn't what fee gets charged for
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  Speaker 1: your work, because I don't think he really made any
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  Speaker 1: money doing that. That isn't what you get paid when
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  Speaker 1: you get certified, when you get your license and you
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  Speaker 1: start your own business. So the judge listened to the
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  Speaker 1: child support enforcement agent the social worker, whatever her degree is,
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  Speaker 1: who said he's making $ 60 an hour. Well, a licensed
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  Speaker 1: massage therapist can make, could at that time, make $ 60
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  Speaker 1: an hour if they got in the right place, but
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  Speaker 1: they'd have to be licensed and they'd have to get
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  Speaker 1: in someplace where they regularly had customers in order to
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  Speaker 1: make that money. They'd have to regularly have patients. So
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be somebody that was not hired by a
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  Speaker 1: company to do massage therapy at that time. It would
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  Speaker 1: be somebody who worked for a physical therapy clinic, preferably
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  Speaker 1: for people who had been injured on a job and
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  Speaker 1: are paying through workers' comp or for people who have
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  Speaker 1: sports injuries, people who are paying through an organization, things
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  Speaker 1: like that. And his attorney explained all of that. No,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have his degree yet. He's not making $ 60
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  Speaker 1: an hour. He's working. His actual job while he's going
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  Speaker 1: to school is minimum wage. And that's it. There's nothing else.
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  Speaker 1: Judge listened to the social worker instead of the attorney
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  Speaker 1: and applied this amount. He had to appeal. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: funny thing is, in the year that Bush Jr. started
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  Speaker 1: his two terms, as president. So it would have been
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  Speaker 1: the year 2000. In 2000, they passed something they called
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  Speaker 1: the Contract for America. A lot of us have started
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  Speaker 1: to refer to it as Contract on America because most
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  Speaker 1: of the legislation was kind of dysfunctional. One of the
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  Speaker 1: things that they passed was incentives for states to go
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  Speaker 1: after men for child support to, they thought, reduce dependence
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  Speaker 1: on the welfare system. What actually ended up happening was
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  Speaker 1: states like Ohio made it mandatory that all child support
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  Speaker 1: obligors had to pay through the state. And therefore, the
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  Speaker 1: entire system that documented and administrated those funds and then
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  Speaker 1: administered those funds, I guess, sent them to the custodial parents.
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  Speaker 1: All of that got paid for by your federal tax dollars.
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  Speaker 1: It had been getting done anyway, and it was being
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  Speaker 1: just paid for by Ohioans' tax dollars. But under Title
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  Speaker 1: IV-D of, I believe, the Social Security Act, of all things,
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  Speaker 1: it's paid for It would have been Social Security renewal
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  Speaker 1: or Social Security reinvestment or some shit like that as
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  Speaker 1: part of the contract on America. All of y'all are
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  Speaker 1: paying that bill. Not the child support, just the salaries
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  Speaker 1: of the people who tell those kind of lies to
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  Speaker 1: get more money. So they're like gods in the courts.
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  Speaker 1: And it took an appeal and another payment to an attorney.
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  Speaker 1: To get that money, you know, that obligation to only
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  Speaker 1: be based on the income that he was actually making. Right. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in 2000, when they did that, they decided it was
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  Speaker 1: retroactive for a year. So they took all the men
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  Speaker 1: that had paid child support in 1999 and into the
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  Speaker 1: first so many months or weeks of 2000. They said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are in arrears for the past year's payments.
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  Speaker 1: They don't count. Those are gifts, and you have to
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  Speaker 1: pay it again through the state, or it doesn't count.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody has to get garnished if you owe child support,
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  Speaker 1: no matter whether you're in arrears or not. But all
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  Speaker 1: of you all are in arrears now, so if you
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  Speaker 1: weren't going through the state already, so that sucks to
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  Speaker 1: be you. Here's your luck. They went retroactive with that.
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  Speaker 1: and took extra money from men who had already paid.
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  Speaker 1: But when they found that there had been a wrongful
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  Speaker 1: imposition on my husband, the day that the reduced amount
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  Speaker 1: started was the day of the finding, not back to
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  Speaker 1: when it was incorrectly assessed. So he didn't get any
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  Speaker 1: credit for for all of that extra money being over
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  Speaker 1: and above what he should have been paying. They just said, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sucks to be you. And that is how
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  Speaker 1: the American child support system works. Many guys, if they're homeless,
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  Speaker 1: if they own their own business, if there's not significant
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  Speaker 1: records or very well done records for their income, they
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  Speaker 1: get what is called imputed income, which means The judge
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  Speaker 1: or the child support enforcement agency, if you can't afford
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  Speaker 1: to contest what they've said, claims that you must be
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  Speaker 1: making a certain amount of money based on if you
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  Speaker 1: have a certification or if you used to do a
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  Speaker 1: particular type of job. Hell, if you're tall, dark, and
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  Speaker 1: handsome or ugly, you might be assessed to be capable
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  Speaker 1: of being a construction worker and told that you should
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  Speaker 1: be earning that much, and that's what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: base it on. If you're working part-time in construction, they
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  Speaker 1: assume you're working full-time and most of it's just under
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  Speaker 1: the table. And if you're working part-time at a restaurant,
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  Speaker 1: they do the same thing. Oh, you must be working
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  Speaker 1: full-time and you're just off the clock part of that time. Or, well,
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  Speaker 1: you must be getting about three times as much as
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: you reported in tips. Any area where they can accuse
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  Speaker 1: you of lying, you have to prove... that you were
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  Speaker 1: being honest, that your evidence is the only income that
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  Speaker 1: you have. And they don't have to present evidence that
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  Speaker 1: you have other income. They just have to suggest that
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  Speaker 1: you probably do. And unless you can prove beyond a
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  Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt that, no, you don't, you have
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  Speaker 1: to end up having to go To court at least once.
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  Speaker 1: Usually twice. Once to get ruled against. And a second
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  Speaker 1: time to appeal.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 1: None of this surprises me.
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  Speaker 4: I just.
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  Speaker 1: I'm skeptical. That it's just the computers. In the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Because that system is probably. Also run by women.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 1: Belzuan Zika. Was paying $ 259 a month. He was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be paying. Not dollars. Pounds. Which is more than dollars.
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  Speaker 1: He was supposed to be paying. 113 pounds a month.
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  Speaker 1: So again. More than double. His payments were more than double.
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  Speaker 1: What he was supposed to be. Paying. They were just
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  Speaker 1: taking it. Because he didn't get the opportunity. To. just
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  Speaker 1: make the payments himself. Once they just can take it
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  Speaker 1: out of your account, they can do whatever they want.
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  Speaker 1: And the worst part of this is that when they
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  Speaker 1: make these demands, they can do the same thing. They
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  Speaker 1: can get into your bank accounts. Any holdings that you have,
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  Speaker 1: they can get into it. They can seize property. They
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  Speaker 1: can arrest you, try you, find you guilty, and start
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  Speaker 1: seizing property to sell off. to pay your child support obligation.
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  Speaker 1: So this is an atrocious system. In the week before
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  Speaker 1: Christmas 2025, the Child Maintenance Service sent cleaning business owner,
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  Speaker 1: so he's not construction like I was thinking, but a
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  Speaker 1: cleaning business is a dirty job, Bill Swan Zika four
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  Speaker 1: different payment demands ranging from 168 pounds to 3,500 pounds
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  Speaker 1: a month. That's insane. And we're talking the 19th. He
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  Speaker 1: got three letters on the 19th and then a fourth
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  Speaker 1: letter on the 22nd. So just in a couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: In one day, he got three letters. Belzwan Zika, who
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  Speaker 1: runs a building cleaning business, had been battling the CMS
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  Speaker 1: for years, ever since 2018, after it overestimated his pay.
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  Speaker 1: When the government's independent case examiner watchdog, ICE, agreed it
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  Speaker 1: had inflated his income by $ 35, 000, or pounds, over three years.
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  Speaker 1: I keep doing that.
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  Speaker 5: How hilarious it is that we don't have anything resembling
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  Speaker 5: an Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. But we do have
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  Speaker 5: this thing, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: You have ICE. I have ICE, too. It keeps my
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: drinks cold.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to remember that whenever I hear a British
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  Speaker 5: leftist say, so you're in support of ICE? Nope. No,
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  Speaker 5: I am not, sir.
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  Speaker 1: The government's independent case examiner watchdog might not be so bad.
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  Speaker 1: They're the ones that agreed that they had overcharged him.
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  Speaker 1: When they agreed to that, the fathers thought it was over.
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  Speaker 1: The father of two thought his ordeal was over. What
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: were you going to say, Lauren?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I was singing Ice Ice Baby.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Ninja Rap is a better song. What? Ninja Rap is
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: a better song.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll hang that up.
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  Speaker 5: Not to mention informers as they relate to these cases
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  Speaker 5: because there's always some kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were talking about snow.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, jeez.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 1: But he was left panicking in the week before Christmas
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  Speaker 1: 2025 after being sent four different payment demands ranging from
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  Speaker 1: £ 180 to £ 3, 500 a month. I simply could not make
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  Speaker 1: that £ 3, 500 payment. And if I couldn't, they said they
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  Speaker 1: would freeze my bank account, affecting my business and my
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: ability to pay my mortgage, he said. I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: able to pay for my kids or feed myself if
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that happened. He called CMS and was told by an
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: employee in a recorded call heard by the mail that
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  Speaker 1: the computer system has done something and gone belly up
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  Speaker 1: despite supposedly having a fail-safe mechanism to prevent such errors.
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  Speaker 1: The CMS worker added the computer system is duff. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm assuming that that's not the beer they drink
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: on The Simpsons.
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  Speaker 4: No, duff is like, it's up to duff. It's gone wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I see. I shouldn't laugh.
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  Speaker 5: Up the Duff?
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Up the Duff is like pregnancy.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: That's funny. So the computer system is pregnant. That makes sense.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It's hormonal. It's got pre-partum psychosis. I shouldn't laugh, but
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: it's created an app ridiculous payment schedule. Mr. Zika told
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the mail, I used to get an average 15 letters
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  Speaker 1: a month with every single one having different payment amount.
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  Speaker 1: It is near impossible to make the correct payment on
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: time because their system keeps changing its numbers randomly. For
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a government agency that has this much power, it feels
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: there is virtually no accountability. Then we have Carl Leverett.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Carl Leverett was paying £ 2, 914 a month. He was supposed
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: to be paying £ 1, 316. Again, more than double. That's the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: highest child support payment I've seen so far. Yeah, it's
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: pretty high, although I have talked to men who have
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: had higher child support payments, but they were men who
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: were prolific and also had, like, one of them was
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: one of the types of electricians that does all the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: dangerous stuff. I know electricians all do dangerous stuff, but
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: there's levels of how dangerous. The hazard pay worked in
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: his favor when he was married, but it worked against
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: him in the child support. He basically couldn't leave that job,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: even if he had to, because of that. His child
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: support was pretty steep.
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  Speaker 5: Like what I was talking about last week, and maybe
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  Speaker 5: the week before, there's a number of reasons that British
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: people are so destitutely poor. And yeah, one of them is,
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  Speaker 5: is that we're being taxed up the ass to pay
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: for all these immigrants, but that's like, it's just woke 2.0.
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  Speaker 5: This is woke 1.0 and it's been going on for decades,
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  Speaker 5: if not generations. It's, it's why men are particularly poor,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: regardless of how hard they work. And, and, and, They
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  Speaker 5: still don't complain as much as women complain, despite getting
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  Speaker 5: a sizable wage, like a larger wage than I have
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  Speaker 5: ever earned, even when I was in London. They could
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  Speaker 5: be working their own job where they get 40 grand
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  Speaker 5: a year, and they get another 40 grand a year
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  Speaker 5: from child support. It reminds me of that fucking fat
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: bitch in my video that I last did. coming up saying,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: who do you want to get rid of? Yeah, but who? Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but who do you mean? You mean the people who
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  Speaker 5: receive more than they give to the state? And she
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: was just trying to get him to say brown people,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: but he kept saying, no, people who take more from
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: the state than they give. And she was like, well,
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  Speaker 5: I'm on 40 grand a month, and I still need benefits.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, what? You have two children, and you
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  Speaker 5: earn 40 grand a month. And if only she was
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: there long enough... to describe whether or not she was
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: still married to whoever it was who gave her those
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: two children.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: If she was ever married to that person.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Or if that's one father or two baby daddies. And
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: maybe that's what she meant by benefits. I'm on $ 40, 000
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: a month, but I still need another $ 40, 000 a year,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: but I still need another $ 40, 000 a year to pay
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: for two children. Bullshit. You could earn two grand a
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: month and still easily afford to pay for two, depending
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: on where you are in the country and how much
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: the rent is. But the benefits go up in accordance
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: with where you are in the country. You get more
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: if you're in London and less if you're in, I
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: don't know, out in the sticks or whatever. But yeah, yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Like in so many Western countries, it's not the women
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: who are being completely drained of everything they can possibly earn.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: It's very much the men. And the men aren't complaining
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: because the men don't get shit from complaining because nobody
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: pays attention to men who complain because they're misogynists and racists. Yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: The money is all being redistributed from white men To
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: literally everyone else.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unfortunate and true. Very true. And in a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: lot of cases, well, hell, there was the chick that,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you know, when I went in to tell them that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I had gotten my full-time hours and no longer needed assistance,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the lady that was ahead of me, you know, before
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I went in to turn in all my paperwork and everything,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I sat and listened to her and the caseworker work
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: out how she could get child support from her four
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: baby daddies. She had four baby daddies. And keep each
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: one of them at the maximum amount that she could
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: get from him without crossing the line that would take
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: away her welfare benefits. And so if she just agreed
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to those amounts from those guys, then she could also
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: collect welfare cash, food stamps, rental assistance, utility bill assistance,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you name it. Whatever welfare benefit exists in the United States,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: she was eligible for it because she had five children
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: by four different guys. That is what the system is
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: there to pay for. That is why it exists. It
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: does not exist to help people who are a little
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: bit down on their luck for like four months because
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they lost one job and it's going to take that
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: long for them to get full-time hours at their other job.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It is there to convince people to step right up
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to the line of if I do more than this,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I lose my benefits and stop there. And not do
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: any better for themselves than that. Even if they could
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: do a lot better. And I don't think the child
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: support system is any different. Because if a woman makes money,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: her child support payment goes down. The child support payment
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that she receives goes down. though women are encouraged to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: make as little money as possible or work under the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: table and not disclose all the income they're receiving when
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: their kids are still living with them so that they
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: can drain their husbands, their ex-husbands, for as much child
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: support as possible.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: I'm still staring at this tab saying how much he
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: should have been paying, $ 1, 316 a month. And this is
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: why I still feel unrepresented by any political party vying
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: for my vote. Because I would like this to read zero,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: if you please. Like, there's a couple of parties saying, yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: we should sort out this problem with the immigrants. And
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: I'm here going, is there any party out there that
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: is going to reduce this to zero, given that women have...
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Something like 42 different kinds of birth control. Obviously, that's
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: an exaggerated number, but it's still infinitely more than men have.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: So women don't have the excuse to say, it wasn't
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: my fault I got pregnant, any more than a man
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: has an excuse to say, it wasn't my fault that
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: she got pregnant. When it's not rape, it's an equal...
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: responsibility and accountability and it's almost never rape except.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: In it's less than one tenth of one percent it's.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Rising in the case of women who got impregnated by
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: the by the grooming gangs but we don't know those
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: statistics because the government won't record them.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah well and we also I mean abortion is legal
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in the UK right.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, completely.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, and up to, do you have, yeah, up
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: to Perth?
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Surely not. They haven't gone that far yet. They're talking
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That's in America. There's a couple of places in America,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: but in the UK, I think there's a limit. I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: think it's the first two terms, but not the third term,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: which actually abortion during the third term is pretty dangerous. It's,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Dangerous enough that unless there are complications that would kill
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: a woman if she was going to give birth, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: even if there are, abortion in the third term often
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: involves birth.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Birth, right.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: There's a particular one they do called a saline abortion,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: which kills the baby and then the mother gives birth.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to a dead baby. So it doesn't save you from
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: going through childbirth. It just tortures the baby to death
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: before the birth. And that's the least gruesome thing that
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: they do. I'm not going to describe the rest because
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I don't want us to get taken off of YouTube.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: There's a physician that has explained it pretty well. I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: don't have the video on hand at the moment, but
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: don't watch it if you're squeamish. That's all I'm going
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to tell you.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I can watch a lot of things, but I don't
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: think that I can bring myself to watch something like that.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes through and describes exactly what happens. You
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: don't see the abortion, but he has fairly sanitized graphics
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: that he uses that really do get the point across
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: well enough that it will turn your stomach.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Good God. Yeah. And people do that job. And they
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: do it. They come back for a second workday. They
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: continue to do that job. Some of them do it
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: for years. Most of them are women. They look at
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that happening. They can see it in front of their eyes.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And they still tell themselves that it's not killing a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: living human organism.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: They still call it a clump of cells.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yep, they will still call it a clump of cells.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: It's just a clump of cells with hair and fingernails
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and a fully formed nose, eyelashes. It's known as an organism.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: We are all just clumps of cells. Highly organized clumps
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: of cells. But clumps of cells, nonetheless.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Some of us are less organized than others.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Well, your cells aren't. They are very organized. And they've
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: organized so well that they are able to hold a
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: ton of water, too. Like quite a bit of water.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: So we are... Essentially walking water balloons. But we don't
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: know it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: So. Mostly water.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: So water weight is a thing. Yes.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you start eating better food.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: After.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: You've been really irresponsible with your diet. For like four years.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: You start sweating. It all starts sweating out.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: And.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: And.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: The water weight goes first. So you lose your first
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: 10 pounds really fast. And then it like creeps down
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to a slow grind after that. But Hey, I am
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: down four inches on my waist. So I'm happy.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Fiber fiber is awesome. Fiber is some of the best
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: stuff on earth. It makes your whole life more comfortable.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Especially when you start to get old.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: But uh when you're getting rid of the fiber yeah.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Well there is that but uh things are my best
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: friend I.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Just have Taco Bell all the time so Taco Bell
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: is a.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good way to get rid of a
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: lot of waste yeah the second worst case of food
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: poisoning I ever had came from there oh no The
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: worst case came from a convenience store sandwich. Not my
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: convenience store.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I've never had food poisoning.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: I almost feel left out.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Me neither.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Me neither.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I have had three documented cases of food poisoning and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: a couple of suspected cases as well.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I had food poisoning from KFC one time. Oh my god.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: That's a hate crime.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: That's racist. So, another parent who has suffered from these
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: wildly varying assessments of money owed is IT consultant Carl Leverett, 48,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: from Desborough. Desborough. Now, is this just called Hampton? Or
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: is it actually called North Hampton?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: North Hamptonshire.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I know that there's at least one place where you
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: don't actually say the sure at the end. There's no rule.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: There's no rule? Okay.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: There's no consistent guidelines as to how these places are pronounced.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: You just have to live there long enough to know
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: all of the exceptions to the rule.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Is there a Southamptonshire?
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Yes. There's a Southampton.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: There's a Southampton and a Portsmouth and a Widdersborough.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And why is it North Hamptonshire? The way it's spelled
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: is North Hamptonshire.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: That's how it came out.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Otherwise it would be two H's. How many words do
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: you know with two H's in a row? It's all
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: reduced to one H.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: It's like when you guys say twat. You say toy
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: instead of twat.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, twat, twat.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: No, I say twat.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Twat, twat.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I can't understand your accent. What were you saying?
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: What isn't pronounced what. It's pronounced what. There's exceptions to
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: every rule, you know what I mean?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: That's our lovely English language, which I admire.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Not where we're from. It's American.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Good enough for Jesus.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: You dropped our tea in the river over taxes. Yes.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, we did. That's because we like coffee better.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: You're absolutely right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: We have to sit still to drink tea. We have Dylan.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Dylan 10 200 125 gave us $ 10 and it looks
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: like he was trying to say something that didn't come through.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what happened there, but there was
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a dash after the $ 10. That was a super chow.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: And then we had a super chat on YouTube.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Mr.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Noob gave us $ 5 and said, gas station nacho cheese
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: killed someone around here with botulism. Food poisoning was a
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: jack in the box. I want to say it was
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: before I was a kid. It might have been when
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I was a kid. But they had an E. coli incident,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I think it was, with their beef. And there were
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: some five-year-olds that did not survive. And Jack in the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Box went almost completely away. There were no Jack in
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the Boxes in Ohio after that. There was maybe one
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: or two stores around the country. And they're just, in
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the last few years, starting to make a comeback with, like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you know, Maybe the same menu, but they had to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: revamp all their policies. But meanwhile, people talk shit about
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: White Castle, right? But the chain was literally started on
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the idea that cleanliness should be paramount in the production
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: of fast food. That was the idea on which White
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Castle was based. After I learned that, I finally tried one.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I had never had one until two years ago. And
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: they're not bad.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: We don't have White Castle.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Over here.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: It's a very old fast food chain.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: There's a bunch of these chain eateries that I thought
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: didn't exist here, but apparently we do have a Taco Bell.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: There's one in Swindon. Apparently there's even a Denny's somewhere.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me. But you would know it was
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a White Castle if they sold sliders and they have
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: beef ones and chicken ones and stuff like that. That's
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: their main thing is these little tiny cheeseburgers. Like I said,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: they're not bad. They're probably not the same as they
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: were when they first started, though. No place is. And
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: like McDonald's is dramatically different from how it started. So,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: but I'll, after the digression all started by, uh, another, uh,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: another shire that, that sounds like complicated enough to be
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: worse than Worcester sister sauce. Um, In 2024, after a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: three-year battle with CMS, a judge ruled it had over-calculated
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: his salary by £ 25, 000. You know, this is driving me nuts.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to look it up.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Alright.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: So.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. It has gone down. One British pound equals...
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a dollar 34 oh wow that's the that's the lowest
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: i've ever heard of it being and that's actually up
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: from a while back gosh i can remember it being
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: like 250 in.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: The 90s it was in the 90s it was very
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: cheap to go to america and buy stuff.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, the pound's going down too, but the dollar's
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: just going down faster. I think.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Is that how it works?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Well, no, what I mean is I can remember when
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a pound used to be around $ 2. 50 US, pretty close
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: to $ 2. 50 US. It was less than that, but not
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: a lot less than that.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Wait, that means the pound's going down even faster. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: don't understand economics. I'm okay with maths. Yeah, it was 225.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Close to 250. The year I was born, actually, it
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: was 250.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, and when I was
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: in school, it was 233. It has dropped this low before.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: 1985.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Lower in 2022 than it is now so it's on
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the upswing but i mean i show you guys this
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: chart this is insane.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: And that by the way is why there are trillionaires
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: now or there is a trillionaire now it's not it
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: it's it's because the dollar ain't worth shit anymore and
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: that's not elon musk's fault it's the fucking american government's.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Fault this is this is the pound oh yeah there
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: you go pounds to dollars two dollars and fifty cents
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: to a pound down to a dollar 24 now i
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's because the pound has gone down
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: or because the dollar has gone up or a little
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: both but that does surprise me so either either we're pretty.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Strong i always assumed the pound sterling was the uh
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: the most expensive currency in the world, but apparently it's
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: the Qatari denarii, or it's some kind of Middle Eastern denarii.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: I think they have their own version of the pound.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Are they still gold-backed?
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: I have no idea.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I've been told that that was what caused the dollar
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to start. So I always wonder when I hear, like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: this one is... more valuable than everybody else's are they
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: gold backed because.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: It's probably oil backed that would explain why these middle
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: eastern denarius have gone up while everything else has gone
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: down because of all the fucking oil but that won't
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: last i think so 25 000.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Pounds isn't that much more than 25 000 actually so
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: he he actually owes um He actually owes pretty close. Well,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: they said he owed pretty close $ 25, 000. Meredith G. gave
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: us $ 5 and said, I have a friend who is
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: engaged to a Brit with the child support payments from hell.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: The fiancé is in the States, employed and on a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: citizenship track, but the man has two grown children. His
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: ex requires the children to live with her. So she
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: can still get payments even though the children are adults.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: So the payments don't even go directly to the grown
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: children who are employed. Last I heard, one child was
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: planning to move out of the UK, which means the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: payments will reduce. But the other child is completely enmeshed
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: with the ex and it seems will never leave. And
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: when my friend told me what was happening, she had
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: come to the realization that she and her fiancé can
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: never co-mingle their assets because the UK government... can domesticate
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it to the US. I don't know what she meant there,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: but I think what it means is they can actually
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: go after her assets because in the UK, they would
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: be able to. This was about the time I told
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: her to talk to both an estate attorney and a
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: divorce attorney to figure out how to protect her assets
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: from the British ex-wife from coming after my friend's assets. Oh,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: did I forget to mention their divorce was 10 to
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: 15 years ago. Jesus.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: If I could, you know, as this fun exercise, if
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: you could write a letter to yourself 20 years ago,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: what would you say? And I wouldn't say invest in Bitcoin.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: I'd say, you know how frustrating it is that you
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: can't find a girlfriend, let alone a wife? You're doing good, son.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Keep going the way you are.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: I'm glad.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Do not get married.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Regardless of Bitcoin, even if you invest in Bitcoin, you'll
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: fucking lose it all if you get married.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Too true. This is something, too, because there's other countries
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that do this where, you know, in the US, I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: don't think there are any states that do this. But
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: if there are, they're definitely not Ohio. Although Ohio does
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: something to get around that. Basically, if after a divorce,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the husband marries another woman, in some countries, that woman's assets,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: anything she owns, any money she makes, anything, gets considered
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: as part of his income. And the child support can
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: be based on how much the two of them together
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: are making, and her assets become as confiscable as his.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: So if the state gets the right to go into
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: bank accounts and take what they want, they can take
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: from both. Whereas, like where I live, the ex tried
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: that and couldn't do it. So what the state did
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: do was when we filed our taxes jointly and we
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: got a tax refund, they ordered me to sign paperwork
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: saying that my part of the tax refund could be
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: confiscated by the state to pay those arrears that weren't real.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: And if I didn't, they would put my husband in
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: jail for non-cooperation but I had to sign on the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: form I had to sign a line that said I
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: was not being coerced they're gonna put him in jail
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: if I don't sign this paper but I'm not being
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: coerced bull fucking shit that's not coercion I'm not letting
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: him go to jail so I signed the paper of
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: course I told the lady I was like you and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I both know this is coercion And, you know, she's like,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: there's nothing that you can do about it. That was
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: literally what she said. There's nothing you can do about it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: This is standard practice. So there was something I could
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: do about it. I was able to go into human
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: resources at my workplace and reduce the amount that they
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: were withholding. So we got the money. In my paychecks
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: instead of as a refund from the government and it
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: couldn't be confiscated. So the next year when it came
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: around and the refund was smaller, you know, they gave
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: us a rough time about it. And they were like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: we can't believe that you earned this much less money.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: And I said, well, I didn't. I just didn't pay
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: that much in for them to, there's nothing to refund
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: because I didn't send the money to the government. Well,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: you can't do that. Except it's not illegal to not
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: overpay your taxes. It is perfectly legal to only pay
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: them what you owe and not a penny more. There
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing child support enforcement agency can do When
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: there is no refund for them. To collect. Because you
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: didn't overpay. So. That was the only revenge I got.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: The whole time. Was haha. You guys can't collect for
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: me this year. Fuck y'all. And they were mad. During
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: that time, despite the fact he provided extensive evidence that
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: his income was lower than stated, the agency seized thousands
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: of pounds directly from his salary, making it a struggle
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: to pay his rent or take his children on days
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: out and holidays.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: How can they just seize money from his bank account?
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Here's the trick.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Here's the trick they they are the government everything the
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: government does is legal because they're the ones that make
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the laws and they're the ones that enforce the laws
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and so it takes a significant amount of legal maneuvering
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: to get the government to admit anything the government did
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: was illegal. And even then, you may have zero recourse.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: They went, oh, our bad, but we're not going to
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: give you the money back. Our bad, but we're not
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: going to compensate you for the time we stole from
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you while you were sitting on your ass in jail
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: for something you didn't do. Oh, our bad, but... Nobody
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: that did the wrong thing in these agencies and departments
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: is going to get penalized for it. Nobody's getting written up.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Nobody's getting fired. Nothing.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: So make no mistake. This is arguably the best country
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: on this fucking globe. But we still do draconian shit
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: So it's really hard to come to the defense of
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: of America when this is what they do. This whole tax.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Taxes are a fucking theft. Get the fuck
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: out my paycheck.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: You know, I've got I definitely have criticisms, but, you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I would rather be arguing about that. in the comfort
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: of my bedroom in the United States than anywhere else
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: on this fucking globe. So, you know, there's a lot
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: to be said, but.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's still a lot here to be fixed.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: That's why I am so skeptical of this just being
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: a computer issue in the UK.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: It's not theft because we call it tax. It's not
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: murder because we call it abortion. it's, it's not rape
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: because we call it female empowerment or some shit. We've
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: long since been taken over by, um, by, um, the
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: new speak by the new speak of big brother.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: There we go. Night motorcyclist says illegals need that money.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Have some suicidal empathy. Uh, Seven months after the ruling,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the CMS sent him another letter ordering him to pay £ 8, 600
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: a month and claimed he had 77,000 of arrears. A
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: few months later, he received another letter hounding him for £ 20, 000
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: a month. The desperate father called the CMS every day
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: to ask where it was getting its payment figures from
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: and was told to ignore the amounts in the letters,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: but it has continued to take... 1,500 pounds a month
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: from him and claims he owes 42,000, leaving Mr. Leverett
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: anxious he might have to move away from his children
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: to afford a home. The CMS denied having significant issues
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: with its IT systems. Well, the only conclusion that's possible,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: if they don't have issues with their IT systems, is
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: that the caseworkers are doing this on purpose. Either you
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: get to blame the computer glitches or it's human error
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: in scare quotes, meaning that they actually just did this
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: on purpose, that somebody input that information. It is an
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: ID10T error or a problem exists between keyboard and chair
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: or chair and keyboard. Can't remember which one you put first. Like,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: that is the error. That is the computer issue. That
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: is the IT systems issue they are having. Some caseworker
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: who has been given incentive to collect as much as
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: possible from these men has fudged their numbers in each case.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: They are stealing from these men On purpose. To make
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: themselves look good. Or maybe it's an IT systems error. But.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I'm leaning more toward deliberate. I'm leaning way more toward deliberate. Yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: If it is. Go who's. Echoing.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: If it is unable to seize money from a parent's
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: bank accounts or wages, it can apply to the courts
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: for a liability order to impose more punitive enforcement, including
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: seizing passports and driver's licenses or forcing sale of properties
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: or other assets. In extreme cases, it can have parents
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: sent to jail, as has happened on a number of occasions,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and yet... As the parents say, the law bars them
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: from challenging false CMS calculations at these legal hearings.
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: How does it help the situation to seize someone's passport
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: or driver's license or send them to prison? How is
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: that going to help them pay it off quicker?
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: It never has.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: No. No.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: It's not. It's just a punitive thing that they do.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You know, oh, you think you're going to leave the
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: country and avoid these child support payments? Ha ha ha, nigga,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: we got your passport. That's what it is. It's just
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: just like what the thing that pisses me off the
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: worst is or the most is is when they take
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: your fucking driver's license because you are literally stripping men
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: from being able to go to work to earn the
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: money to pay for this fucking child support that you
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: say that they owe.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: If the state actually wanted to solve the child support issue.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: they would make 50 50 shared parenting, the default in
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: divorce cases so that the child would live half the
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: time with mom and half the time with dad.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And they could arrange a, uh, transfer schedule, whether it's,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: you know, a week at a time or four days
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: at a time or a month at a time, whatever
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: they're going to do where they live in the same community.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And the child goes to one school from both houses and, uh,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: The parents are able to work both based on the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: fact that neither one of them has the child full time.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: That would be the smart thing.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: The problem is women because they are so bitter and vindictive.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: They hate their ex-partners more than they love their fucking children.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: They just do not care what the repercussions are of
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: the choices that they make. You know, when you shut
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: a man out of your child's life like that, what
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen? Are you at
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: all thinking about that child? No, no. It's just, well, well,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I had this child. This is my child. I gave birth.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: This.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: this is, look, look, I think, I think people need to, uh,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: be certified to have children. Obviously it's never going to
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: fucking happen, right? Just never going to fucking happen.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: Are you talking about a child license? Yes. That's not
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: an entirely terrible idea.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: It really isn't.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: It really isn't.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: But the problem is, is that, you know, it's not like,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: you know, humans are animals, but we don't treat humans
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: like animals, right? Like My cat is spayed. She can't
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: handle kids, right? We can't do that with people. You
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: cannot invasively just say, all right, you're gonna, you can't.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: But what happens during, oh my God, puberty? The hormones,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: they come. Once the hormones kick in, everybody wants to fuck, right?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. It's human nature. And there's nothing
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: really wrong with that. The problem is, Lauren?
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Hello?
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. I heard nothing after the problem.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, the problem is, is that there's no real safeguards
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: or there's no real way to, well, there is a way.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: It's parenthood, right? It's both parents being in the house,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: telling your child, no, you have to come home by
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: 10 o'clock, right? You're in the house. You can't go out.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: You can't see this boy. I don't like this boy.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Let me meet his parents or her parents.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't happen anymore.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: The problem with the idea, the problem with the idea
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: of having a license to to have children is who
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: gets to decide, like who gets to run that. Because
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: my discussion.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: Who gets to have children? No, no, It's the government
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: to have children. Right.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: If you have to get permission from the government to
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: have children, the same people are going to be deciding
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: who will be a good parent and who will be
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: a bad parent. Right. The guidance to the school systems
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: that said Teachers should be teaching students that they were
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: born in the wrong body and they might be a
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: boy or they might be a girl or they might
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: be non-binary or whatever of the 157 new genders that
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: they invented. And don't tell your parents, but we're not
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: grooming them. We're helping them understand the beauty of their sexuality.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: It'll be the same people. It'll be the same people
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: who run the system that makes all of the mistakes
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: we're talking about now, like Mr. John Hammond, who was
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: charged £ 19, 000 when he actually owed zero.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: Zero! It's right there, thank God. I didn't think I'd
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: see it, but there it is.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: That's just disgusting.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: Still £ 90, 000. Is that per month?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: What kind of income do you have to have to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: have something like this levied down on you?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: You'd have to have a huge income and multiple children
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: or an ex that made no money. Richard Beer gave
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: us $ 5 and said the people at these agencies sound
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: like they went to the same training course as the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: people from a certain airline and other people from a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: certain airport who were able to lose a 737 for
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: 13 years when it got parked at that particular airport.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't trust the government to make those
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: kind of decisions.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I wish parents would be more. conscientious with
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: their children. But the truth is that the real problem
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: isn't that the government's not doing enough. The problem is
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the behavior of women. It is that we do not
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: hold women accountable for their decisions.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Or anything. For anything that they do.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: We don't need the government for that. Families were perfectly
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: capable of holding the women in their families to account
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: if they've made stupid decisions.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, the Overton window needs to go back on accountability.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: It needs to go back to where women had some
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: accountability and then keep on going until we get to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: a point where the level of accountability women have for
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: their decision-making is the same as the level of accountability
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: that men have for their decision-making. If both sexes were
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: at the same point, at the same level of accountability,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: and it was a high level, you know, we're not
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: reducing men's accountability, we're increasing women's, then we would not
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: see so many of these problems. Child support wouldn't be
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: necessary because women and men would stay married or they
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get married. They would not have children out of wedlock.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: They would do everything they needed to do to avoid it.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: So children would be born into circumstances of loving households,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: financially ready families, where they would be nurtured and cared for,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and they would grow up to be responsible adults that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: were prepared to support themselves.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: You remember when they used to ship young women away
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: when they got pregnant out of wedlock?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: I think that was kind of.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say that it was a turning point,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: but it was a signal, right?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: It kind of hid the problem.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, right. But again, it was the family saying, hey, listen...
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: This can't happen. This is wrong, right? And you need
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: to change this fucking behavior. And I'm not saying that
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I agree with.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: It one way or the other. You can't be in
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: that situation, in other words.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. But, you know, the family stopped shaming
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: these young girls. I have a cousin who is a
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: year younger than me. Her first baby was born when
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: she was 13.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: Okay? Yeah.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: She's got six fucking kids. Six fucking kids now. Who
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: knows how many goddamn grandbabies. But it's just crazy.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Actually, getting pregnant during the teenage years in some areas,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: like where I live, in some school systems, with some kids,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: it's a status symbol. Not a shaming thing. But I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: don't know that I don't know that shame is so
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: much the most effective way to do things. When you
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: teach kids things like if you work on a Saturday,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: you get an extra 50 cents an hour. We'll have, say,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I have all these walnuts in my backyard. I need
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: somebody to pick them up and put them in this
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: wheelbarrow so I can mow the lawn. It's Saturday, but
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I'll give you an extra 50 cents an hour if
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you do it today and don't make me wait until
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Monday to do it. They'll do it. They'll work on
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Saturday to get that extra 50 cents an hour on
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: top of whatever you've offered them to just throw all
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: the walnuts in the wheelbarrow. And they'll make a game
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: out of it, too. Because my parents had, like, three
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: walnut trees. In their backyard. And you cannot mow the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: lawn when there are black walnuts. They are the size
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: of baseballs.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: And they are as hard as baseballs.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: But their outer hull is penetrable, really penetrable by the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: lawnmower blades. So it'll get to the outer hull. It'll
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: hit the nut in the middle, which is significantly harder,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: the shell. And then it'll launch that motherfucker.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: like a freaking cannon, and it'll leave dents in the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: siding of your house. It will break the window of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: your car, which takes something like 50 pounds of pressure.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: So you gotta pick up the walnuts before you commode
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: a lawn. I was not allowed to mow the lawn,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: but I was allowed to pick up the walnuts.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: They have, there's this thing that, because I just watched
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: a video about somebody talking about black walnuts. And there's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: like this roller kind of thing that you can use
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: to pick them up.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: To pick them up.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ingenious. I'm like, oh my God. So yeah, no,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: you don't even got to do.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: All that work.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: I took my job.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, kids, if you show them that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit of elbow grease or a little bit
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: of self-discipline, a little bit of incentive, give them a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: little bit of incentive to be diligent or to be accountable,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: to be mindful, they will do the right thing. And
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: they will... protect themselves if they know there's danger like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: if if you get them to understand that's all you
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: have to do is get them to understand how they
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: benefit from something they're not stupid kids are not stupid
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: they're just a little wild and they're highly uneducated because
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: they haven't had time to get educated yet yeah but
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: yeah um when it comes down to this even in
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that even in that the problem is women And I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: know this because every woman in my neighborhood when I
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: was growing up that found out about my mom and the.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Dang it, that's... I'll have to... That was my phone
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: going off, sorry. The cartoon noises. But every woman in
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood who found out about my mom and the...
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: The walnut tree punishment where I climbed the walnut tree
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: that I wasn't supposed to be climbing. And I broke
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: the neighbor's window because I knocked a walnut through his window.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: And she made me work to earn the money to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: pay for the window, even though insurance would have paid
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: for it. They all thought that that was overboard. Oh,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: you're too hard on the girl. You're too hard on
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: the girl. She's going to grow up to hate you. No, no,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: that was probably the best course of action she could
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: have done. because that was the only way i understood
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: exactly how bad what i did was yeah so um
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: in any case so it is it is women it's
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: not just that women are making stupid decisions And it's
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: not just that women are getting paid to make stupid decisions.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: It's that women are too soft on the kids. And
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: if you aren't soft on the kids, if you teach
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: them responsibility, if you make them handle things, other women
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: will get mad at you. Other women will undermine you.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: They will sabotage you. They will argue with you. They
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: will badmouth you for it.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: And if that's the limit, that's bad enough. But they'll
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: call Child Protective Services and get you investigated these days.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: For telling your kid no. So, like, it's bad. In
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: any case, so this guy... John Hammond said he was
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: forced to fight a five-year Kafkaesque legal battle against the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: CMS when it sent him the huge charge out of nowhere.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: During that time, he won two court battles, in one
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: of which he faced the threat of jail. But each time,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: CMS continued to issue new demands days or weeks later.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: He is now on antidepressants and suffers from complex PTSD,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: which is more normally associated with military veterans who have
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: served in war zones. It's a bureaucratic nightmare that you're never,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: ever going to win, he said. You know, you're just
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: going to round around, around circles.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: Also, I recommend not building an island full of dinosaurs.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that wouldn't be good.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: John Hammond, the name of the guy in Jurassic Park.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: Never mind.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: It was a Jurassic Park reference.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: Good one, Mike. Thank you, Richard. Someone got it.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Mr. Hammond, who teaches maths and IT at Secondary
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: School in Petersburg, Cambridgeshire. said he was shaking when he
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: received the bill in 2019. By then, his children were
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: grown up and had finished education, and he had not
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: had to pay maintenance for several years. So, essentially, he
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: was off child support. He didn't owe anything. Like, that's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: why his payment was zero, because he had graduated from
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: this system. So he had already paid. He had already paid.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Like all of it. I wonder how much. I wonder
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: if he had. He probably already paid hundreds, maybe thousands.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Probably thousands. he said, fortunately for me, I've kept all
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: my records dating back to 1999, handwritten notes, bank statements,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: letters of closure from the CMS, everything. So I sent
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: them off, but they just dismissed the evidence. And it's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: been like that for five years. That's like the IRS.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: You can literally prove to them that you have already
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: paid your taxes. You can show them the canceled check
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: with their signature on it. And they will tell you,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: You can fight us. But we can have you put
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: in jail. And by the time. You win the fight.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: You'll have been in jail for this many years. Or
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: in the case of my grandfather. By the time. You
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: know you win the fight. You'll be dead.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: So you end up sending the extra money. So. Yeah.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: When they refused, let's see, at Christmas 2019, fearing he
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: would be left unable to support his two younger children,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: a teenage daughter and stepdaughter from a new relationship who
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: lived with him, he pleaded on the phone with the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: CMS to correct a mistake. When they refused, he said,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I just lost the plot. I said, well, I'll just
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: kill myself then. And I let out this scream. Even
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: when I hear the recording now, it just makes me shudder.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: It was horrendous. I started hitting my head against the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: kitchen cupboards and anything that was there. I wiped my
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: cheek because I thought I was crying, but it wasn't tears.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: It was blood.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Well, at that point, it would.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: Why so many men kill themselves?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: Why so many productive men kill themselves? Denying the economy
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: and the general infrastructure of so much productivity. There's no
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: telling how much this has fucked up our infrastructure. Because...
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: It would be bad enough if it was just the underclass,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: the nerdy wells who were killing themselves. That would be tragic.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: It would be tragic enough. But even worse things happen
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: to men who are productive. The more productive they are,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: the more they are driven to suicide. Because no matter
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: how much they do for society, it's never enough.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: It just gets sunk into an abyss, into a downward
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: spiraling vortex of waste. So, yeah, it still sickens me
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: that this idea of suicidal empathy is attributed to women.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: Because they love, like... anyone but their husbands. If anything,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: suicidal empathy can be attributed to the men who look
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: at those women and say, oh, look at these poor women.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: They have suicidal empathy. No, brother. They hate you. These
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: women hate you. They want you dead. For you to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: attribute suicidal empathy to them, that's you having the only
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: thing that can be described as suicidal empathy. Because you're
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: blaming yourself for these bad decisions that women make. You're
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: blaming yourself for how much women hate you and for
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: how much they're being taught to hate you. If there
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: is such a thing as suicidal empathy, it's what men
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: have for these women who hate them.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: It gets worse.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: It's being misattributed to everyone else, especially the very women
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: who are experiencing anything but suicidal hatred. It's the men
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: committing suicide. The women aren't committing suicide. They are destroying
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: their husbands, and then they are going on to destroy
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: their own countries. They would never dream of killing themselves.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: Why would they? They get millions for nothing.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: When it really comes down to it... They don't really
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: care about anybody but themselves. And it's questionable whether they
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: really care about themselves as much as they hate men.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: But this goes on. There's more. The ambulance crew turned up,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: and that was the first time I questioned my mental
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: health with what I was going through. Following October, while
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: still battling his case and without warning, the CMS seized...
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: the 19,000 pounds directly from his bank account. Sage took it.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: Mr.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Hammond was forced to abandon building work on his house,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: leaving the family without a kitchen or utilities for 18 months.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Earlier this year, after numerous complaints, he finally received a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: letter from CMS saying the case was closed and he
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: owed nothing, but without any admission of error. A judge
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: had previously ordered the CMS to refund the 19,000 pounds,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: but the agency had continued to pursue him for money
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: even after handing it back. Jessica Reed, a partner at
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: family law firm Dawson Cornwell, said the legislation significantly restricts
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: the court's ability to investigate concerns or alleged errors. And
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: the CMS's assessment is effectively taken at face value. So
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: that's worse than in the United States, because in the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: United States, you can contest your child support obligation that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: is assigned to you by the child support enforcement agency
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: if you think their numbers are wrong. It's a hard process. Initially,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: a judge will probably find against you and then you
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: have to go and appeal that ruling. And usually the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: higher up judge will go based on the truth and
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: not what, you know, imputed income they came up with
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: because uh they'll go on more evidence but um unless
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: things have changed the lower courts just routinely side with
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: a child support enforcement agency even if they have no
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: evidence besides their own assumptions that you are making money
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: that you haven't disclosed But you do get the right
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: to present evidence. You do get the right to go
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: before a judge. Here, it looks like in the UK,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the court isn't even able to investigate concerns, and these
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: men aren't allowed to testify. The CMS said the role
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: of magistrates' courts is to confirm the debt and which
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: parent it relates to, so there's no reason to dispute
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: a calculation at these hearings. They're just supposed to rubber
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: stamp it. They're not supposed to ask any questions. This
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: agency isn't supposed to be subject to any oversight. That's
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: basically what that means. They're just supposed to confirm. It
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: said enforcement measures only start if attempts to arrange voluntary
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: payments fail. Overcharged parents can take their case to the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: ICE watchdog, as Mr. Zika did. It investigates complaints about
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: the Department of Work and Pensions and its agencies. So
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: this is like work and pensions is like job and
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: family in the U.S. So the welfare department, basically. The
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: CMS has been the agency most complained about to ICE
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: over the last two years. Payments must continue during these appeals,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: which the CMA says is to prevent arrears from accumulating
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: and to ensure the child's needs are met throughout the process.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: But one father who was wrongly assessed, so he overpaid
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: by $ 1, 000 a month, was barred from taking his case
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: to ICE for eight years because he first had to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: wait for the CMS to respond to his initial complaint
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: to them. So if you complain to them, The CMS.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: And they just don't... They just don't respond. You can't
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: appeal because there's nothing to appeal. You're just screwed and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: you just have to pay. During that time, the CMS
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: took the cash directly from his salary, leaving him struggling
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: to pay his bills and mortgage. The father.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Is CMS child maintenance services? Is it the same as CPS?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's a child support enforcement agency. C S
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: E a CPS is the child protection agency. And their
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: job is to come and steal your children and sell
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: them to rich people. And I know people are going
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: to think I'm joking. I am not joking. That was
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: a serious statement. I mean that with all of my heart.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Their job is to come and steal your children and
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: sell them to rich people. That is what they do.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Once in a while, they rescue kids who are abused,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: but most of the time, all they do is steal
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: poor people's children and sell them to rich people.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: And you would think it would be restricted to parents
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: who were abusing their children in the worst possible way.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: There's a case to be made for that. But even
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: that wouldn't make sense to previous generations. The very idea
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: that the government can seize someone's children seems normal to
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: us in this modern age. But throughout all of human history,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: it would be like, what? How can anyone be trusted
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: with my children except me? And like I said, there
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: are outlying cases where some parents are Horrifically abusive to
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: their children But this isn't what we're talking about Not even.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Remotely No the agency investigated Families that I knew Because
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: their children Played outside Yeah My neighbor was investigated Not
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: my current neighbor My neighbor when I lived with my
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: parents Was investigated because Her five year old Walked to
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: school with the other five year olds Hmm Seriously, that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: was the reason for the investigation. The family moved to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: a different county because of that investigation. They just left.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: They packed up. They were gone within like 30 days
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: after the first visit before any official paperwork came through
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: or anything. Like CPS showed up a couple months later
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: and the house was empty with a Big Four sale
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: sign in front of it. And they were like asking us,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: you know, where did they go? Where did they go?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: My parents were like, if we knew, we wouldn't tell you.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: My parents were school teachers. If they thought that kid
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: was abused, they would have handed that child support enforcement
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: caseworker every bit of information they could.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: But.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: They knew the family. They had been in the house.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: They knew why the family was being investigated. And there
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: was no way that they were handing any information over
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: to that lady. Go ahead, Lauren.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: You know, for as much attention as being paid to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: that Jeffrey guy with his island... if anybody thinks that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: there are not other organizations just like that, that are
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: still doing the same fucking thing, you're out of your mind, right?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: He was not the end all and be, he was
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: not the main one. He just got, the story got
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: publicity because of how many famous people in Hollywood and
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: in America that were attached to that story. But if
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: you think that this shit doesn't happen all day, every day,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: it's happening. He is just the one, he's like, I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: don't even want to call him a scapegoat because that's
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: just disgusting. He deserves, well, he's not with us anymore,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: but absolutely deserves every bit of scrutiny. Him, Ghislaine, they all,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: I really, they all need to be held accountable, but
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: it's never going to happen. But if you think that
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: this shit doesn't happen on the lower levels, right? Like
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: not amongst the elite and, and who was it? Prince Charles? Fucking, yeah,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: fucking Brits.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: I'm not defending Charles. He's probably a nonce as well.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: But Andrew is a confirmed nonce.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: No, it's just disgusting. It's all over the place. It
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: happens and it needs to be called out, rightfully so.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: But it's not just, you know, it's not just that guy.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm... Epstein Island was above the law because it
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: was in international waters.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: Something like that.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: But there's many islands like that.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: Like we said earlier, the government is above the law
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: because it is the law. Right, yeah. Anything it does
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: is not subject to the same laws that us plebs
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: are subjected to. So a child gets abducted, and yes,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: it is abducted, into the custody of the state. Who's
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: going to prevent those children from Receiving the same treatment.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: And to be honest, it was 15-year-old girls on Epstein Island.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: When children get abducted into the custody of the state.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: They're younger.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: Of any age.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: And boys. And boys.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: And boys.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Yep, boys get taken quite a bit, actually. But you
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: don't hear about them. You don't hear about them. there,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: there isn't going to be an investigation. There's not going
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: to be a, uh, a congressional, you know, caucus to
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: investigate this or a congressional, uh, task force or whatever
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: to investigate this. There was a Congresswoman who was investigating
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: this and she was very outspoken about it. Uh, her
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: name was Jackie. I think it's pronounced Walorski. and well
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: you should look up what happened to her like she
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: just had a mysterious accident in 2022 very very interesting
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: result you know, start digging into child protective services. Anybody
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: that does that, CPS starts going after their kids. If
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: you don't have kids for them to go after, you
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: have an accident.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: So, but this goes on, right? During that time, the
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: CMS took the cash directly from his salary, leaving him
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: struggling to pay his bills and mortgage. The father, a
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: professional who did not wish to be named, said he
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: sent the agency evidence of his real income, which it ignored,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: a claim backed by internal case notes seen by the mail.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: In naivety, I thought they would correct it because it
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: was a government department, but they continued to ignore it,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: he said. So they knew they were overcharging him, and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: they took the money anyway. After the CMS finally responded
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: to his complaint, Ice found that the agency had incorrectly
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: seized money from his wages, but it was of little
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: solace by then for the father who described the CMS
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: as obscene. He said there are similarities to the post
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: office scandal, which we kind of briefly explained last week.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: It was a constant battle with an organization which is
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: extremely hard to get a hold of, and when you
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: do get a hold of someone, there is no one
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: who understands your case. It seems to be at no
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: point do they ever consider the children's welfare. Two-thirds of
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the 693 cases ICE formally investigated were upheld or partially
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: upheld in 2024-25, although the CMS... point out that many
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: more complaints did not make it to the formal investigation stage.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Complaints regarding payment demands or income figures can also be
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: taken to the Social Security and Child Support Tribunal, which
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: processed 3,500 appeals in 2025, of which 41% saw a
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: judge ordering the CMS to overturn its decision. 41% is two-fifths. Like,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: can you imagine if you ran your business that way? Like,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: say you sold essential widgets that people had to have
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: in their homes. They have to buy them and the
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: widgets have to work or people, you know, can't cook
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: their food or they can't get up and down the
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: stairs in their home. You know, some essential thing that
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: they're going to be in real trouble if they don't
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: have this. And you are the only place they can
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: go to to get it. Nobody else sells it. You
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: have a patent, a copyright, a trademark, all that jazz.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: But 41% of the time, you take their money and
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: they don't get the widget. Or you sell them one widget,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: but you charge them for 20. Do you think that
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: you might get charged with fraud? Because if anybody else
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: did this, outside of government, if any company, for-profit company
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: did this, or hell, even a non-profit, if a non-profit
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: did this, if my company did this to my clients, they.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Would be charged.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: People would go to jail. Not the customer, either. It
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: would be the people making the mistakes, in scare quotes.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: It's not a mistake when you do it on purpose.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: It's not a mistake when you deliberately ignore evidence that
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: what you're doing is wrong. As soon as you deliberately
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: ignore evidence that what you're doing is wrong, it stops
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: being a mistake and it is now fraud. It is theft.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: You are taking what you know you are not supposed
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: to take. Complaints regarding payment demands or income figures can
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: also be taken to the Social Security. Oh, I read
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: that part. Some say that despite a judge ruling in
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: their favor, the CMS fails to recognize the court's findings.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: The agency ignores a court order and proceeds with its
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: own figures anyway for several months. That's not a computer error.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: People are doing that.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: One parent was told by the court that it had
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: no power to enforce its decision against the CMS.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: What? Fuck.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: The courts are female. My God. The difference between mom
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: and dad, you know? The kid's misbehaving, right? And the
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: dad goes, you cut that out. And the kid cuts
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: it out. Kid's misbehaving and the mom goes, no. She
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: gets out her noter cycle. No, no, no.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: It's really bad.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: I saw three women die last week in a noter
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: cycle crash. But no, no. Are you sure the child
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: heard you?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: So I have a question, right? So I'm looking at
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: when found in the wrong, the CMS often does not
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: refund the overpayments. Well, so is that implying that there's
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: some type of pool of money there that they have
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: the ability to refund? I mean, to me, it would
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: be just a one.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Either. They have collected the money and not sent it
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: to the custodial parent, the mother. In which case, yes,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: there is a pool. Or they have collected the money
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: and sent it to the mother. They have a budget
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: that they would have to take that money out of
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: to send it back.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: And then they would just not pay the mother any
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: more money. But it doesn't say here which it is.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: There should be more transparency with this type of shit.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. There should be total transparency with this type
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: of shit. Unbelievable.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: My God.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Let's see. We got another one from Richard Pierre. Gave
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: us $ 5 and said the social worker who drove the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: 10-year-old girl to Indianapolis to get the girl an abortion
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: comes to mind.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Had the Ohio law not changed and couldn't have made
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: the story about access to abortion being restricted, the girl
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: would have been taken to a provider with no story
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: going public at all. It makes me wonder about how
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: many such social workers are on the state's payroll. So
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: here's something that people don't know about that story. In Ohio,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: the law said If the pregnancy was life-threatening. If the
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: pregnancy was likely to cause complications that were life-threatening. Which,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: in a 10-year-old, the answer would be that it was.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: And all it takes is a physician saying that. Then
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: the abortion would have been legal. But there's something else.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: The reason that story went away so fast. is because
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: the father of that child was an illegal immigrant. The
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: child that was pregnant with that child might have also
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: been an illegal immigrant. She possibly may have been, and
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: this is what it looked like in the news articles,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: because what they reported was, was that this man was,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: he didn't have legal status and that he was not
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: a relative of the woman that the child was living
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: with and the woman was not her mother. So it's
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: very distinctly possible that this was one of Joe Biden's
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: unaccompanied minors that were allowed across the border. that were
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: allowed across the border uninvestigated. Nobody looked into where her
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: parents were, whether she came here for a better life
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: or whether she was kidnapped and brought here. They sent
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: her to stay with someone, and this happened to her
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: under the care of the individual they sent her to
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: stay with. not this was not a situation that exists
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: normally if the border had been secure and there hadn't
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: been a flood of illegal immigrants coming into the country
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: at that time And then being shipped to Ohio. The
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: entire story never would have happened. There would have been no. Pregnancy.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: Because the child would not have been here. And the
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: man would not have been here. And they also wouldn't
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: have been in the same place together. Just so you know.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: That's why the story disappeared. It didn't disappear because it
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: was resolved. It didn't disappear because everybody started to agree.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: It disappeared because inconvenient details came out that made it
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: a detriment to another woke issue. And it's no longer
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: helpful on the abortion issue either because it's a scenario
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: that didn't happen organically. Yeah, when found in the wrong,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: the CMS does not refund the overpayments and instead advises
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: the paying parent to make a civil claim to their
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: ex to recoup the cash. Okay, so yeah, they're paying
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: that money out to the ex and then they're advising
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: the claimant to go to the ex to get the
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: money back.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to happen. The fuck is wrong with
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: these people? Jesus Christ. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Oh
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: my God, you mistakenly paid me $ 20, 000 a fucking month.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Oh no, here, let me just go write a check. Y'all,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: do they understand women? Have you met a woman?
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Like, you've heard me talk about the vexatious litigant, right?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if $ 20, 000 dropped in her lap that way? Oh,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: for sure. What she would have said if he filed
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: a civil suit to get it back?
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: What money? He's abusing me again!
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Financial abuse.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Financial abuse, yep. He wants his money back. I want
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: his money. It should be mine. Therefore, him also wanting
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: his money is abuse.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: Abuse! Right. In the UK, we don't have all the
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: minutes anyway, so it's all me.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: There you go. One of those who discovered this to
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: her horror was a senior manager in the construction industry
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: who was hounded to pay 600 pounds a month in maintenance,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: even though one of her sons had left full-time education. When,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: in October 2022, a tribunal judge confirmed she had been
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: wrongly charged, the CMS said she would have to reclaim
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: the cash from her former partner. The woman, who did
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: not wish to be named, said this felt like the
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: government was stealing from her, adding, Of course, the woman
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: is the only person who named the type of abuse
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: that the government is engaging in.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: And....
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: She is now in the position of having to go
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: to her ex for that money. And most exes are
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: going to be like, yeah, sucks to be you. I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: got it now. A DWP spokeswoman said since 2018, the
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: CMS has undergone a significant modernization program with the service
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: performing more effectively than ever. Securing 810,000 maintenance arrangements for
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: families and supporting around 1.1 million children. Payment arrangements are
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: fair and based on the paying parents' income. If parents
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: dispute a decision, it can be appealed and the independent
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: tribunal will decide if it should be changed. That's all
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: they could say. It's fair. We're dealing with people fairly
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: by taking more than they owe.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: What's DWP again?
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: The Department of Work and Pensions.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: Of course, yeah.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: I had to deal with them because they overpaid me
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: and they overpaid me a lot of times and I
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: had to go to a tribunal.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: I never have to deal with any of these fucking
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: alphabet agencies. They all sound like fucking draconian big brother ministries.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: And it took me three times to get picked as well.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Basically, if you overpay the Department of Welfare and Pensions,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: they don't care. They won't give you your money back.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: But if they overpay you, no matter how poor you are,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: No matter what your situation, you could even be disabled. Yep,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: they will take it straight out of your account and
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: they'll make you go to a hearing. Even if it
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: was their mistake. That's pretty much the government for you.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: If they make a mistake, you might be in violation
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: of the law.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: I requested like a paper trial, so I don't have
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: to show up in court. So, yeah. I don't have
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: to show up at the tribunal. They will make a
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: decision and send me a letter.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: Well, that could be good. That could be good. Zapier
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: gave us $ 5. It just has a dash after it,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: so if there was something that you had intended to post,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: it did not come through. I don't know why. Incredibly,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: despite all of these problems, the CMS boasts publicly that
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: its payment assessments are fair and have 95% accuracy rate. Oh, 99.5%
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: accuracy rate. That's a lie. Yeah. Of course it is.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: Government always lies. The CMS concedes this figure based on
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: regular sampling applies when the information about a parent's income
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: is accurate, which plainly in many cases it is not.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: And freedom of information requests by the mail also tell
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: a different story. The agency's own internal audit in 2023-24
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: found that a quarter of randomly selected cases, 558 out
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: of 1,916, contained at least one error. So 25% of
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: the time, approximately, they're wrong when they assess what you owe.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: This rose to a third of cases in 2024 to 25,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: with 514 out of fewer cases, fewer selected cases having
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: a mistake. So 1,594. Just about the same number total
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: of cases, but fewer selected cases, which I don't know
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: if it's because there were fewer cases, but it's a
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: higher percentage. As stark as these figures are... Oh, go ahead.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: There are probably more cases. They're just admitted to the
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: more cases now, and that's what we added. Yeah.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: If they had selected a higher number of cases, they
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: probably would have gotten a higher raw number of errors, too, then.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: As stark as these figures are, they do not tell
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: the full story of the appalling human costs of these
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: administrative blunders. Jonathan O'Neill's sister said, even now, she goes
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: to pick up the phone to call him, but then
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: I remember he is not here. In a final bitter twist,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: despite the fact that she sent her brother's death certificate
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: to the CMS so they know he's dead, he can't
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: pay them, it continued to issue new payment demands for
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: months afterward. So, The cause of his death sent reminders
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: that they were the cause of his death for months
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: after they were informed of his death.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: With the CMS, I think everything is automated. I don't
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: think it's run by humans. Everything is automated. Yeah.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: I will bet there are humans behind that process. It
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: feels like they just don't care. They are not bothered,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: she said, but it has ripped our lives into bits.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: So that's our article.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: The humans involved are arguably humans.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're cogs in a machine, but they're human
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: cogs in an inhuman machine.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: It's hard to say. Are the cogs women or they?
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: That's the problem.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Most government employees that sit in cubicles and do desk
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: work are women. Almost exclusively.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: My cousin is a civil servant for the government. I'm
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: not sure. She doesn't work in the CMS. She works
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: in the disability department.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: The bureaucracy behind the Holocaust was almost entirely female. We
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: went over that in a show one time. I'm not
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: here to dispute the number of people who were killed
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: or why or any of that. We hear all the time,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: men are violent because Nazis were men. Except when they
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: weren't men. Because it was women who basically sentenced people
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: to death with a rubber stamp. And it was women
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: who filed the paperwork to ensure that it would happen.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: It was women... Who signed the paperwork and filled it out.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Ordering the poison. To maintain the supply. It was. Women.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: Who made the selections. It was women.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: Who.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Filed any death certificates. Did all of the paperwork. Involved in.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Counting teeth and glasses and gold watches. Organized the sale
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: of estates. Stole off the goods of the people that
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: they had ordered to be killed.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: What's the cliche behind every successful man is a strong woman?
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: Does that include one particular German who was very devoted
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: to his mother but hated his father and referred to his...
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: To the country as the Mutterland, while everyone else referred
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: to it as the Vaterland.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: And was a painter as well.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: And was an Austrian painter and a vegetarian. You know
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: who I'm talking about. It just needs to go for
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: that person. I mean, if we're going to say behind
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: every successful man is a strong woman, does that mean
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: all the men who were successful for completely the wrong
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: reasons and in completely the wrong direction? No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: The men who did wrong were not spurred on by women.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: It was only the good who were for whom women
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: can can claim all the all the glory. Yeah.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: Behind every evil dictator is an army of female bureaucrats.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: The same the same could be said for everyone who
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: did good. Well, you know, there's almost well, almost there's
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: no civilization that wasn't driven by men and women. with
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: the exception of monasteries. And even, you know, a lot
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: of monks had mothers. At some point they had mothers.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 5: And even nuns had men in their lives. Like, there's
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: no civilization or even micro-civilization that wasn't at some point
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 5: driven by men and women. And all of those can be,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: you know, for all of them, men and women can
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: be held accountable for their contribution to it. But yeah,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: we live in, at this point, woke 2.0, where all
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: the good things are women and all the bad things
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: are men. And we're just expected to just go, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: that makes sense. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Women good,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: men bad. Unbelievable.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: So this whole system only exists because we've been told.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: Not by any expert, but by some chick from the, uh,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: early 19th century, not the 1900s, by the way, the
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: 19th century, like 1830s, that God intended for children to
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: live with their mothers. Caroline Norton is the reason why
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: the standard, uh, in, uh, custody court. The standard practice
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: in divorce is that children will be in the custody
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: of their mother rather than having equally shared custody between
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: both parents. Norton could have argued for that. She could
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: have argued that children need both parents, that men and
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: women are very different from each other, and that the
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: benefit A child gets. From being. Exposed to the parenting methods.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Of both parents. Is vitally important. But she didn't do that.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: She argued that God. Intended. For small children. To be
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: raised by their mothers. And that was what the law
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: was based on. And even after. It changed to the
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: best interest of the child standard. It's done with the
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: caveat that the best interest of the child is met
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: by maternal custody. The tender years doctrine is still being followed.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: It's just not being articulated. And that happens in the
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: United States too. The tender years doctrine is in full
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: swing here. except where the law specifically states 50-50 shared parenting.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: And every place where fathers' rights activists fight for 50-50
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: shared parenting, feminist organizations oppose it using statements that they
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: send to politicians and the media and everything else, demonizing
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: men as deadbeats and abusers, who don't care about their
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: children and just want to get out of paying child support. Meaning,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: the only reason they want women to have custody is
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: for child support. The truth is, kids need both parents.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: They don't learn boundaries properly if they don't have their
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: dad around. They are a little rough around the edges
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: when they grow up if they don't have their mom around.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: I was about to ask what don't they learn if
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: they don't have their mother around, but it's difficult to
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: find examples these days.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It is. It is.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot more documentation of what happens when a
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: kid is raised without a father. And what we'll probably do,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: I'll dig it up. I know the Father Involvement Research
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: Alliance has research on this, on what happens when a
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: child grows up without their father. Um, I'm, I know
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: that kids that grow up without their mother, like I
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: know they do have some issues and I know there
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: has been some research. I'm not going to promise to
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: find that by next week. Sometimes it takes me a
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: little longer, um, but I will do my best. And
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: if somebody else gets a, gets ahold of it, feel
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: free to send it through to me so that I
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: have it. Um, but, uh, I would definitely compare because
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: I believe that the ideal situation for children is to
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: be raised in a home where their mom and dad
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: love each other and their children, where their focus is
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: on making their family safe and happy and comfortable, enjoying
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: each other as family members and loved ones. and ensuring
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: that their children grow up to have the best preparation
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: that they can have from home for their future as adults.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: I think that when you take any of those factors away,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: it's a detriment to the child. If the parents don't
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: really love their children or if they don't love each
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: other or if their main focus isn't you know, making
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: sure that their kids grow up to be prepared to
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: handle adulthood. You know, if their main focus is like
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: getting high or some stupid shit like that, it takes
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: away from what the kids learn in their lives. And
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: if you fully remove one parent, you remove that whole
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: gender's style of parenting from the kids experience and so
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: they only get half the picture and there's like I
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: said there's documentation on both sides of how that affects
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: kids courts should not routinely separate kids from their parents.
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  Speaker 5: Women are very good at treating children like children. They're
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: very good at doing that baby voice, like, do you
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 5: want to do this?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Men can do that, but they're less inclined to do it.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to start an argument with an as a,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 5: but as an uncle... I find it very difficult to
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: do that patronizing voice. Like, do you want to do that?
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: I can't do it. And this only confirms my decision
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: to never be a parent because I can't do that
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 5: patronizing baby voice.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: That's a good thing, though. Not doing the patronizing baby
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: voice is a good thing. It's a bad thing when
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: the child is surrounded by people doing the patronizing baby voice.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. It's unhealthy. They should not do that.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 5: Women do that.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: It is really bad.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: Men can do that, but they're less inclined to do it.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 5: And so it, it makes sense that children are around
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 5: women when they're at a very young age, but at
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: some point the men take over and they talk to
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 5: them like fucking adults. And I can, it's conceivable that
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: if you, if you talk to.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 6: A two year old, like they're an adult like that,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 6: they might, miss out on some kind of development because
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 6: as much as I hate patronizing people, if you're going
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 6: to raise like a two.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 5: Three year old, you probably do have to patronize them
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: to some degree. And that's only a theory. Like I,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 5: I love to see what happens if, if a child
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: for its entire life is, is, is never given that
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: baby voice. If for the, You can still teach them
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: all these words and all these elements of politeness, like
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 5: saying please and thank you, but you don't do it
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: with the baby voice.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Well, that would be my kids. They didn't get the
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: baby voice. I was actually told not to do the
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: baby voice. My parents are schoolteachers, and my husband is
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: just incredibly intelligent. And all of them were in agreement.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: The baby voice is bad. Don't do it, which is
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: good because I tried it and it did not feel natural.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: So it just like, nah, let me put it this way.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: All right. You are teaching an individual how to vocalize words,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: how to enunciate, how to pronounce, how to understand what
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: other people are saying. and how to make themselves understood
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: to other people. So you don't want them to learn
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: to speak incorrectly, right? So it's very important when you're
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: teaching them language, which from the first thing you say
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: in front of your infant, for the rest of their
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: language development, you are teaching them your language. You want
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: to speak to them In a way that is natural,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: easy to understand, not scary. A lot of people, the
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: baby voice, the patronizing baby voice is loud and uncomfortable.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: And some infants really don't like that. Some infants, that'll
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: make them cry. My son did not like people who
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: talked to him that way. And I don't, you know,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: I think he got it from me because I always
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: was that way growing up too. It's really important for
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: your child to see speech done properly and correctly if
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: you want your child to learn how to communicate. And
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of kids who talk early
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: and read early are the kids that were raised without
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: the patronizing baby voice.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 5: And, yeah, one of the biggest problems in modern society
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 5: is that far too many of them are raised by
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: women without men. And so all they hear is the
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: patronizing baby voice pretty much for their entire childhood, even
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 5: right up to and including teenage years. And eventually... I mean,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: even from an early age, they realise they're being patronised.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 5: But if by teenage years they're still being patronised, they're like,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: oh my God, fuck this. I need to get the
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 5: fuck away from this. And like I said, it's difficult
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 5: to even investigate the other experiment where they're mostly being
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: raised by men who talk to them like they're adults,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 5: even when they're toddlers. I mean, it's sort of, stands
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 5: to reason that you probably shouldn't talk to toddlers like
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 5: they're adults. I don't mean swearing at them or doing
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: all kinds of sexual innuendos or anything like that, but
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: just talking to them in a stern voice all the time.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 5: I can see how that would skew them in a
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 5: slightly wrong direction, but like I said, there are very
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 5: few points of experiment that we could allude to. Because
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: there are very few children who are raised only by men.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 5: But there are an absolute fuck ton of children who
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 5: are only raised by women. Not just parents, but teachers
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 5: and whatnot.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: There's another thing, too. Kids that are raised by two
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: parents have the benefit of two different parents' perspectives teaching
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: them everything. And so they have more opportunities to learn things,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: settle into their way of learning and learn things. um
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: whereas if you only have one parent whether male or
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: female there are fewer differences in how you're you're going
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: to be approached in teaching you anything and interacting with
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: you and such and so i think there are probably
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: there's probably going to be some overlap where it you
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: know we'll read the research and if i find the
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: research i'm sure i'll find research on on um children
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: raised without their mothers too. But I will bet you
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: there are some things, some detriments that happen to these
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: kids that, you know, where they're not as good at
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: something or they don't get a particular benefit that kids
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: raised by both parents get that are going to be
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: the same or similar, whether they miss out on having
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: a father or a mother. And then there will be
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: some that will be dramatically different between the two sexes.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: But I definitely would expect that more kids raised without
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: a mother would be a little rougher around the edges
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: as they got older. And more kids raised without a
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: father would be not rougher around the edges, but less
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: possessed of self-control. Because I think self-control comes from your dad.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: I think you learn self-control from your dad. Now, it's
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: not always the case. Kids raised by a narcissistic mother
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: have no choice but to learn self-control.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 5: I get the feeling for centuries children have to some
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 5: degree been taught by their fathers to talk like adults
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: from a fairly early age. And that's why they quickly
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 5: grew up to themselves talk in authoritative voices and it's
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 5: only very recently that men have been eschewed from the
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 5: family and so children are left with no option but
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: to talk in that patronizing baby voice and that's why
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 5: there's so many women and indeed so many men.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: Who talk in that camp voice that we associate with
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: gays but it's not gays It's the women who are
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: emulating babies, and they only emulate babies because they've never
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: known anything but the baby voice.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: Probably right. Roboto1234567 gave us a dollar and said, I
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: have an answer to the UK issues. I believe Le
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: Miserable showed it best. Time for the revolt followed by
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: musical interludes. I believe Hugh Jackman would be invisible. invisible. Maybe,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Roboto1234567 gave us another dollar and said,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: when it comes to parenting, it often depends. It is
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: often depends. B, two parents are no guarantee to two dating,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: doing the right thing. I think there were some typos here.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: When it comes to parenting, as it often probably does,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: having two parents is no guarantee that they'll be doing
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: the right thing. That's true. So about 60-40 either way.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 5: Even having two parents who are not the best can.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: Give kids enough different perspective that they're still going to
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: have advantages over kids that were raised by just one parent.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: Unless the parents are outright abusive, they're still going to
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: give the kids some benefits. But this is why I'm
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: so anti-divorce. I think if you have children, you should
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: make it work. You should learn to get along with
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: each other and you should learn to be, as a couple,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: you should learn to be a team. And if people
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: can't do that, they should not have children. If you
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: don't plan on being a team with the parent, the
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: other parent of your child, mother or father, if you
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: think you're going to run things and their input isn't
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: going to be part of it, you're not ready to
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: be a parent. Because parenting is a two-person job. And
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: you have to be on the same page. But with
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: that out of the way, is there anything else before
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: I close us out? It sounds like no. I have
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: heard nobody say anything.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 5: Nope.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: Alrighty then. I will thank everybody for listening. Thanks to
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: all my co-hosts for going through this article. This was nightmarish. And,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: of course, thanks very much to Brian for doing all
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: the work in the background to make this happen. And
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: good night.