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Elevator Innovations with Ziehl-Abegg: Elastomeric-Coated Ropes · The Elevator Careers Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: For the passenger, it's I think every elevator manufacturer or when there's an elevator on the service, you want to get the best performance out of the elevator in terms of running smoothness, best passenger ride experience.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: And the coated ropes are a factor that really contribute to that.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned that with the coating around, it works like a vibration isolation or a noise stamping that improves the whole ride quality of the whole system.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: So there's that huge advantage for say the end passenger on the travel performance of the systems.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to Elevator Tools and Tech, a special series from the Elevator Careers podcast, where we spotlight the latest innovations, tools, suppliers, and technology driving the vertical transportation industry.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: In each episode, we sit down with the creators, engineers, and solution providers who are helping elevator companies work smarter, safer, and more efficiently.
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  SPEAKER_01: This episode of Elevator Tools and Tech is brought to you by ZLove, a company headquartered in Germany that has been in the elevator industry for about a hundred years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their core products are gearless elevator machines and frequency inverters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today I'm talking with Mark Hirsch, Business Development Manager for the Americas region.
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  SPEAKER_01: Three years ago, Mark transitioned to the North American headquarters in North Carolina to vocally support the market introduction of a new, very compact series of gearless elevator machines using Elastimeric coated ropes, a new innovative rope technology for the North American market.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mark, welcome to the show.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me, Matt.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: So today we have Mark Hirsch from Celobag, and uh he's a business development manager here in the U.S.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: And Mark, today, you know, we've we've talked in the past, obviously, but today we're we're really digging into this technology that uh has allowed you to really change the the size, the uh the capacity of of machines and and use the you know the the cables um that that are that are coded.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so there's a really a lot to to dig into.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is there anything you wanted to kind of bring up before we just dive into some of these questions?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, to to get a full picture for for our listeners, um, I work for the company Silabek.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a German headquartered uh company.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: We are in the elevator industry for about a hundred years.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: We do, as main components, innovative gearless elevator machines and frequency inverters.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: These are our two core products and a lot of system components around that.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: And in my current role as a, as you mentioned it, uh business development development manager for the Americas region.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: About three years ago, I transitioned to our North American headquarters, which is in North Carolina, to at that time locally support the market introduction of a new gearless elevator machine that was designed for only the North American market using elastomeric coated ropes.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: The elastomeric coated ropes at that time were something new and very innovative for the North American market.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a steel core rope with an elastomeric plastic coating around.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that gives us huge advantages as a machine manufacturer, but for the design of an elevator system, for the performance of an elevator system as well.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, advantages even in in service aspects as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what we are going to discuss in the in the next minutes.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you for kind of giving that high-level intro because exactly, right?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna dig into some of these details and in obviously why why why does this matter?
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: And uh honestly, the the fact that it's it's known technology has has kind of surprised me.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned that that for 10 years, right, this this technology was used in Europe and it's it's only been in the last few that it's come to North America.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: Why do you think now is the right time?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and especially for independent elevator companies to pay attention to this technology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's a good point.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think we saw that many times in the past in the elevator industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: For example, with MRL, machine rule-less applications, they started installing MRLs in the European market at a larger scale at the like mid to the end of the 1990s, where in the North American market, they introduced these systems almost about 10 years later.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's about the same now introducing that rope technology in the North American market, where we were using that kind of rope technology in the European market about 10 years earlier.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: Overall, I have to say that I think it's uh it's a great timing when we entered the market with that technology and our machine range for bodies' ropes.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because we got the feedback from the market that over the last couple of years, the market opened up more towards innovations, new technologies, especially coming from from overseas.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you mentioned the MRLs, and it's interesting that this this technology, not only does it kind of follow it, but it it is really is kind of complementary to it, right?
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: That now you have maybe a smaller space or a different space, and and so you also now have a machine that will actually fit in that space better, perhaps, than than some of the old uh you know, much larger, larger machines.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, Mark, you mentioned the the smaller shivs and lighter components mean less torque and less power needs.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: How much less energy or how many how much energy savings can building owners realistically expect from these systems?
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  SPEAKER_01: You have a guess on that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, the huge advantage of using these elastomeric-coded ropes for us as a machine manufacturer is that it allows us to use a smaller traction sheaf diameter.
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  SPEAKER_00: And to get a complete big picture here is as a machine manufacturer, you want to use a smaller traction sheaf diameter because a smaller traction sheaf diameter means the machine or the motor needs less torque to operate the system.
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  SPEAKER_00: And with less torque needed, the motor can be smaller, more compact, and more efficient.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: And good that you asked about the energy savings.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we did a recent study with uh with a customer only a few weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a job, I think, 21 elevator systems between 2500 and 4500 pounds.
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  SPEAKER_00: They did a complete modernization, meaning change of mechanical components but electronic side as well, with regen drives and so on.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the whole modernization package using new technologies, innovative technologies, resulted in energy savings of 80%.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's a tremendous number and a huge achievement for that customer.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: In average, I would say it's more like 30 to 60 percent, something like that.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Depends on what you really change for in modernization.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: But that was really an impressive number to achieve 80% energy savings.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they used, of course, our machines with the elastomeric coated ropes.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, that is that is a huge number.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh it's you know, my brain starts to wonder, you know, if that's uh you know, just because an an elevator is gonna use a lot more electricity, I assume, than than the lights or or certain other parts, right?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so if you're cutting down this that portion of the of the electrical bill by 80%, that's that's gonna affect uh everything.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's huge.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Very cool.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um so you mentioned um that uh the size of the machine was actually able to be reduced by 80% as well.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: What what do you what would you say are the are some of the design innovations that make it possible to actually shrink it by 80% without really sacrificing performance or safety?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're you're right.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um when you compare our machines for a typical application of 3,500 pounds, compare a geared machine that uses conventional steel ropes and our machine using elastomeric coated ropes, the machines, our machines are about 80% more compact than the geared machine.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as mentioned earlier, it comes down mainly because of the traction sheaf diameter.
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  SPEAKER_00: As I said, it allows us to use the smaller machine because less torque is needed.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: But it only works in combination with the right suspension means.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that's always that that part where I want to highlight our compact machine, but also the rope technology, because that really allows us to build these compact machines and use small traction sheaf diameters.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you reduce the traction sheaf diameter on a machine, you usually have a less rope lifetime.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: You need more ropes, the ropes get stressed more at the end.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: You need a more aggressive groove profile, for example, to get the traction and so on.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um but that's not the case with the elastomeric coated ropes, because one, they have a higher friction coefficient, so you need a less aggressive groove profile.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: We only use a U-proof, so there's there's basically no wear on the rope or the sheath.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, as the as the plastic coating also works like a like a protection of the rope or of the sheath.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: So that's uh that's a huge advantage in terms of the rope lifetime, and still getting um the huge advantage to use smaller traction sheath diameters.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is fascinating because I guess in instead of steel on steel, you've actually got you know the elastomeric against elastomeric, so it's more of a rubber type of or or plastic type of coating, and it can keep very resilient.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna wear out and get metal filings all over the place.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's exactly the point.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um that there is basically no wear on the rope or um on the sheath as well, because it's not a metal-to-metal contact.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you mentioned the uh you know, just the um the the size of the machine could be reduced.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think you had said before that the a typical shiv could be what 24 or something inches and you've reduced it to six.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: 20 to 25 and reducing 6.3 inch shift diameters.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which I mean again, it's just it's just physics, right?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a lot easier to turn this than to to turn something like this.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so you don't have to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right, it's a simple physical principle.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, that's used already in the industry, but to get a better lifetime out of the rope, it's only possible with the elastomeric-coded rope.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've I've understood that a lot of modernization projects get delayed because of space or or costs.
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  SPEAKER_01: How does this technology simplify the modernization process?
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  SPEAKER_01: And can contractors really replace a motor without tearing up the shaft?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's a good question.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because um, of course, it has a huge advantage in new installation with MRL systems to build very low overhead systems, but it has great advantages in modernization as well, because one of the major challenges in modernization projects is that you want to achieve the same rope drop as it is with the existing installation.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: That means when you replace a geared machines with a large traction sheaf diameter by a gearless machine with a smaller traction sheath diameter, you need to find a way to achieve the same rope drop.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, therefore, you have to work with a deflector sheaf, and that means that you have less of an of a wrapping angle on the on the traction sheaf, and with that you're losing traction.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: At the end, with conventional steel ropes, you have to use more ropes and so on.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: But with the coated ropes, as it has a higher friction coefficient, I think it can be up to six times higher.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: You don't necessarily need more ropes because the friction or the traction is way better, and that allows to use that technology in modernizations when having or working with a deflector sheath and a small wrapping angle and ensuring still enough traction.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's a huge advantage just by the by the design, what is possible with that rope, but also in terms of handling of the rope.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I got so many stories where customers are installing big geared or or even big gearless machines, need to lift it in, they need to book a crane that the machine and all components can be lifted in through the roof.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: But with the smaller, more compact machine, there are easier ways where you don't need a crane or heavy and expensive rigging material.
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  SPEAKER_00: Makes the whole process way simpler, faster, more cost effective.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it sounds like it gives you some flexibility with deflector shivs and just how how you need to position it because it's smaller, because it has the the ability to still have enough traction with the lower wrapping angle.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: So you mentioned some noise reduction that you know, the vibration, the damping, less wear.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, we talked about that.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: What's the real world difference for a passenger or a service tech once these ropes are in place and being used?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good question.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: For the passenger, it's I think every elevator manufacturer, or when there's an elevator on the service, you want to get the best performance out of the elevator in terms of running smoothness, best passenger ride experience.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: And the coated ropes are a factor that really contribute to that.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned that with the coding around, it works like a vibration isolation or a noise stamping that improves the whole ride quality of the whole system.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: So there's that huge advantage for say the end passenger on the travel performance of the systems.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Then it's about limited downtime for service technicians.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: We always, with our products, ensure the highest quality materials, for example, brakes that don't need to be adjusted on our machines.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: So the service technicians have less to do, less to worry about.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Another factor is, for example, with conventional steel ropes, and people in the industry obviously know that, that you have to lubricate them from time to time.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: There are service technicians team out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Their main job sometimes is only to go from side to side and lubricate the ropes.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a whole task that's not necessary with the coded ropes anymore.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because they don't need to be lubricated, or actually it's not allowed to lubricate them.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was gonna say lubrication on the last America would be a disaster.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's why it's not not allowed.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's amazing that it yeah, not only affects ride quality, but actually reduces some of the maintenance and and um you know it's uh I mean I don't understand the brake thing, but that would that would be fascinating to understand how the brakes just don't need to be adjusted.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe it's because is it is that because of the the friction in in the system?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I guess that's a part that's not related to the to the uh suspension mean we are using.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's just for for our machine, and all of our machines are equipped with that brake technology that these brakes don't they are factory adjusted and don't need to be adjusted in the field.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Fascinating.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: So one of my favorite parts of your story is you mentioned, and we talked a little bit about this, but that these machines can actually be carried up a stairwell.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: It still sounds yeah, how how how many people would it need, would you need to do it?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: The machines are about I mean between 450 and maybe 650 pounds.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: So they're not like super light, right?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: They are machines for actual elevator systems up to 5,000 pounds capacity at a two-to-one suspension.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not for small home lift applications or something like that, it's for actual uh passenger elevator, as I said, up to 5,000 pound capacity.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: But still, as they are more compact and lighter, you often don't need an expensive rigging material.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um you can use alternatively alternative ways, as for example, compared to lifting the equipment in with a crane through the roof.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um they're often ways because you fit through doors, stairways, and so on.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: So that whole process is usually a lot uh simpler and more cost effective than um with big, heavy, older equipment.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: For years, proprietary belt systems have given the big manufacturers an edge.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: How does this more open coded rope system change the game for independent elevator companies?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Good good question.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh first of all, yeah, it's non-proprietary.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Means the independents can like source um the products from wherever they want, whether it's the machines or the coded ropes.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's a huge, huge advantage.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: The technology really allows to I'm speaking about new construction now, new elevator designs.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, with the compact machine design, it allows them so simple simple technologies without changing their system, their existing system too much to um yeah, get the best out of the shaft utilization.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: With the more compact machine, they can reduce the overhead, for example.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's a huge factor where in the past uh a lot of my customers now had issues bidding on projects or winning on projects where the overhead requirement was very low.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: So it was only the matrix that could win these projects because they are matching these overhead requirements.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: And now with with our machines and the coded rope technologies, it allows the independent manufacturers to bid on these projects as well and win these projects because now they are matching all the requirements that are specified for these jobs.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, nice.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of a kind of a game changer, and maybe a um, I guess what I'm thinking of is kind of leveling the field in that regard, that they they can go into those spaces and still have enough room to do what they need to do.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you had mentioned that one of the toughest parts um, you know, of introducing a product and bringing it to the US, even though it you know it's been used for years in Europe, was kind of working through the patchwork of city and state jurisdictions.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: What did that process teach you about bringing innovation into such a regulated industry?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's that's true.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it can be really challenging to navigate that patchwork of regulations and all the different jurisdictions in the US.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like when you have a certification and an approval for North America that that you can use your product and it gets approved everywhere.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: But what we learned and what we really noticed in that whole process, if you start the communication early, if you get in contact with the local jurisdictions, uh share documentations, approvals to ensure the compliance and the safety, and just talk to them early within the projects together with your customers, with the manufacturers or the contractors.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um they are really open to see that, to discuss that and usually approve it and accept the technology then.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: But that was definitely my key takeaway to get them involved as early as possible and share all the documentation needed and yeah, discuss this technology.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: I just curious, how long does that process usually take to actually get the approval?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously it's gonna vary depending on the I mean it it varies.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: We we started early, as I said, and and some were like only one meeting where we just submitted the documentations about the compliance, and then we get the confirmation that they confirm it, that it matches all the requirements.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um sometimes it was a little bit of a longer process where we had to like more of a present that technologies, maybe give case studies and so on.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it took a few meetings, but overall it was quite a good process, and all of them were really open to to listen and discuss that.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm curious just a little bit more on this process.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do you um I imagine, you know, as you're launching this in the US and three years ago or whatever, on one hand you've got you've got customers, right?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to sell the customer, but then you've also got to sell the the jurisdiction, the municipality.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do you walk both of those paths, or do you kind of find a customer first and then say, hey, now let's go meet the you know the AHJ?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: We did both, honestly.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh as you mentioned, we we approached customers, they got um very interested in the technology, they saw the advantages on how they can improve their design or or what benefits they get out of that rope technology and the compact machines, and then we together
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: approach the the jurisdictions the age chase and sometimes to to open new markets before we approach customers we went straight to the jurisdictions and discussed with them as well that makes sense yeah especially in you know larger markets if you go do that homework up front well then you can talk to everybody and say hey you know all these potential customers we've already we've already you know created this bridge so there's there's nothing holding you back correct correct awesome awesome so if you were to look ahead five years do you think elastic coated ropes will become the new standard for MRLs and modernizations or are we just seeing the beginning maybe of something even bigger?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I mean since now um since we introduced that technology we we see a steady growth um we see that it definitely gets accepted very well in the market um as in other markets I believe that there will be all technologies in the market there are advantages using a conventional steel rope still there are advantages to use belts and there are huge advantages to use elastomeric coated ropes so for for MRL systems I think as we see that in other markets it will be a mix of technologies depending on the details of the application and where each suspension suspension means has its uh strength at the end.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it sounds like I mean the the thought that's coming to my mind is just that it's a matter of educating everybody out there so that they understand what whatever advantages it that they're looking to achieve.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so if you know conventional ropes you know have the advantages then then they know to choose that or if they see elastomeric uh as an option to to achieve other advantages then they can make the best educated decision.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: It it depends on on the project or the field where our customers whether it's manufacturers constructor contractors are focusing on and the types of applications and what kind of advantages they want to get out of the system.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we see that quite quite strongly especially fast growing in new installation MRL very compact efficient systems where in modernization it usually takes a little bit longer to introduce new technologies.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe one of the reasons could be that with new installations customers maybe can do test installations um test the product more to get convinced that everything works correctly where in modernization they usually need a fast quick solutions and maybe a little bit more resistance to trying out new new products and innovative technologies.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean if you've already got something that works then it's really easy to just let's just go with what works right we've been doing this done a lot of times let's just do it again.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: So makes sense.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right right sometimes they use the the easier path but at the end it's it's no rocket science and we have so many case studies where it was actually simpler to use a new technology because of the installation advantages I mentioned earlier.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sure absolutely well and you mentioned the the electrical savings right if if a building is looking to go green I mean here's one way to really affect your you know your uh power bill yeah absolutely and we're thinking ahead about there are more and more regulations and certification building certifications needed and so using innovative efficient machine technologies in the elevator industry allows here as well to match these requirements and and yeah being able to to have that that certification at the end.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah so Mark if someone's interested in learning more wanna you know maybe they're not familiar with this this concept or these products or you know where would they start?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh the best would be to to reach out to us either directly to me or to my my team here at uh Claveg North America I'm sure we can somehow share our contact information in the in the info box of that that podcast or or somewhere and then yeah we are we are here to discuss projects to give more details on that technologies on our products and yeah I'm really looking forward to that great great is there anything else you'd like to share before we wrap up I really want to encourage the industry to be open towards new technologies towards innovations to really listen to that and and see the advantages that it brings to the whole industry.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah absolutely well and that's that's one of the fun things about these interviews is we get to talk about you know what what is the technology and and what is the impact that it has and it sounds like this is this is one place where it sounds like there's a a lot of wins to be had you know whether it's maintenance whether it's saving electricity whether it's uh you know more uh space utilization so um a lot of things to talk about there.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly exactly you summarized that quite well all these advantages awesome well mark thank you I appreciate you being with me and uh look forward to to talking with you again down the road.
• 27:12
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