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The Courage to Outgrow Your Old Life: Trusting Who You're Becoming with Natasha Ramlall · Mediumship Sparks-The Next Chapter

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to mediumship Sparks, where we connect more deeply with
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  Speaker 1: spirit and source and follow the sparks of insight and
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  Speaker 1: so grateful we get to step into this together. Let's
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  Speaker 1: dig in. I do feel a bit like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: guess the best word is kinship because I read your
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  Speaker 1: website and your testimonials, and I took screenshots of some
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  Speaker 1: of the things you described that I thought how you
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  Speaker 1: just worded them are just so pointing and beautiful. It
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  Speaker 1: just really touched my heart. When I read your website,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I would have paid
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  Speaker 1: anything like twenty years ago, when I was just at
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  Speaker 1: my feeling, at my worst, my most lost, my most
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  Speaker 1: disconnected from myself to have such.
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  Speaker 2: A scary time, such a scary time.
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  Speaker 1: I am so in a heart space right now because
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  Speaker 1: of this meeting.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thank you. That's all that means so much to
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  Speaker 2: me to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, my pleasure. My great grandmother came through when
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  Speaker 1: I was grounding. I think this is the first time
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  Speaker 1: she actually gave me the message. She's helped many people
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  Speaker 1: like you, those who took on challenging journeys with the
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  Speaker 1: essence of gift contribution to make people in this world
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  Speaker 1: have more and better grace and unconditional love for themselves
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  Speaker 1: that unresolved grief blocked so that they can now share
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  Speaker 1: their insights and help to enlighten other people. She's truly
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  Speaker 1: a gift, she said, as are you, my sweet child.
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  Speaker 1: Touching hearts and touching souls.
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  Speaker 2: What an incredible way to begin.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Mediumship Sparks. I'm excited genuinely to introduce my guest,
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  Speaker 1: Natasha Ramlah, who's joining us today. And Natasha has a
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  Speaker 1: long list of beautiful attributes to her work that I
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  Speaker 1: would love for her to share with you. So, Natasha,
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  Speaker 1: can you give us a bit of background about yourself
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  Speaker 1: and share about the work that you're doing with people now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thank you for having me here, Noel. So
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  Speaker 2: the work that I'm doing right now that I've been
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  Speaker 2: brought into at this point is really working with women
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  Speaker 2: who feel like hyper productive, hyper capable, high functioning, but
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  Speaker 2: they have reached a point in their life either due
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  Speaker 2: to transition that was not their choice, like a job
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  Speaker 2: loss or relationship ending, a health scare, or they've just
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  Speaker 2: reached that midlife point of awakening where they recognize that
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  Speaker 2: the life that they're in doesn't match what they're longing
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  Speaker 2: for inside. Typically for women that are a little bit older,
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  Speaker 2: identifies midlife or middle age. We've been having these nudges
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  Speaker 2: all the way along, but we have been so focused
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  Speaker 2: on surviving and getting needs met for ourselves and for
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  Speaker 2: the people that depend on us, the ones we care for,
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  Speaker 2: that we've ignored those nudges. And I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: reason why at midlife a lot of women reach a
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  Speaker 2: point where they can't continue to push through that because
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  Speaker 2: it's just stopped being sustainable, and that nudge becomes something
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  Speaker 2: that you can't ignore, and a lot of women find
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  Speaker 2: at this point in their life that it's not tolerable
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  Speaker 2: to continue in the way that they have. Actually, all
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  Speaker 2: of the women that I'm working with now, either individually,
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  Speaker 2: like one to one, I do coaching online that's global.
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  Speaker 2: I also facilitate groups for women, but that's more local
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  Speaker 2: in person, in community. But all of it, the through
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  Speaker 2: line is the sense of a rupturing of our identity
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  Speaker 2: and those things that we've been using to help us
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  Speaker 2: define ourselves. So those roles and expectations and relationships. Something
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  Speaker 2: has changed, something has shifted, something's been broken, and because
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  Speaker 2: of that, we're lost, because the story that we've been
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  Speaker 2: using to create meaning for our life is no longer intact,
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  Speaker 2: and oftentimes we don't have a picture of where we
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  Speaker 2: need to go. We don't have a clear idea of
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  Speaker 2: what the future looks like, and so it's a period
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  Speaker 2: of disorientation, a lot of fear, and there's different ways
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  Speaker 2: that we approach it. Sometimes we rush into the next
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  Speaker 2: thing to get her to the discomfort, but a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the time we can't do that anymore. Maybe we've
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  Speaker 2: done that in the past, and we reach a point
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  Speaker 2: where we just don't have the juice for that anymore,
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  Speaker 2: and so the opposite happens. I shut down into a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a functional free state. The exhaustion of not
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  Speaker 2: knowing is too much for us to push through in
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  Speaker 2: that moment. So that's where I am currently in my work,
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  Speaker 2: and in my passion for my contribution to the world
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  Speaker 2: at this point has culminated in this work and I'm
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  Speaker 2: loving it. And the thing I love most about it
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  Speaker 2: is that my own growth and my own healing has
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  Speaker 2: to be at the center of it, both so that
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  Speaker 2: I can be attuned enough to hold space for other women,
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  Speaker 2: but also because the only way for me to actually
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  Speaker 2: truly support them is to guide through my own lived experience.
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  Speaker 2: So I have to be in the muck myself and
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  Speaker 2: I have to move through all of the different experiences,
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  Speaker 2: and that's not always an easy thing, but it's definitely
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  Speaker 2: something that I am grateful for most days, and I
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  Speaker 2: can see the value in because I do recognize that
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  Speaker 2: every time that I go through a difficult learning through
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  Speaker 2: my own process of transitions and ruptures, it gives me
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  Speaker 2: an additional understanding of the human experience that is of
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  Speaker 2: benefit to the people in my realm and in my field.
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  Speaker 2: That's where I've landed before shifting fully into this work.
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  Speaker 2: I was for about twenty five years. I was in
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  Speaker 2: a career supporting newcomers to Canada. I'm based in Ontario,
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  Speaker 2: and so I was working teaching English and helping with
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  Speaker 2: settlement for newcomers, the majority of whom were refugees to
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  Speaker 2: the area, and so of course identity rupture was really
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  Speaker 2: at the heart of that work as well, because above
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  Speaker 2: and beyond the English and the settlement piece, really what
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  Speaker 2: we were doing was when we were creating a safe
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  Speaker 2: community for these newcomers to land, so that they could
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  Speaker 2: get their bearings, so that they could feel safe enough
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  Speaker 2: to begin to step into this new iteration of their life.
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  Speaker 2: And it was beautiful work, and it was fulfilling work,
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  Speaker 2: and it was emotional work. And when I realized that
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  Speaker 2: I had reached my growth edge in that field, it
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  Speaker 2: was a beautiful transition into this work. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that is when there's that famous commencement speech that I
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  Speaker 2: think Steve Jobs gave where he talks about how you
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  Speaker 2: can't know moving forward what the plan is going to
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  Speaker 2: look like, but once you reach a particular spot, you
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  Speaker 2: can look back and connect all of the dots that
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  Speaker 2: sort of contributed to you being where you are. And
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  Speaker 2: I can definitely relate to that when I look at
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  Speaker 2: my own journey. There's so many little pieces all along
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  Speaker 2: the way, ever since I was a small child, that
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  Speaker 2: have all factored into what my life looks like currently,
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  Speaker 2: and every little piece has added some special ingredient that
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  Speaker 2: makes it the thing that helps me connect with different
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  Speaker 2: women that are benefiting from that connection as am I.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's probably enough to start.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of information, but I love how you
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  Speaker 1: helped it unfold. And I hear you about the identity
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  Speaker 1: reformation that people need, and what occurred to me was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: somebody who's going through let's say, an untimely loss in
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  Speaker 1: their lives and now their sense of their path has
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  Speaker 1: been interrupted. But even people with women with a more
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  Speaker 1: traditional life path, such as somebody who got married, had
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  Speaker 1: children and now they're an empty nester, that could really
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  Speaker 1: create that identity loss and bring about this voice that
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  Speaker 1: what is my purpose now? That is really lovely. I
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  Speaker 1: really can appreciate what you said about being in the
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  Speaker 1: work and the integrity of that, because I'm sure and
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  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know if you still have these kinds
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  Speaker 1: of thoughts, but I know for myself there are times
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  Speaker 1: and there are a lot of other people I've spoken
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  Speaker 1: with that feel this way that when I have this
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  Speaker 1: level of mastery over something, then I can teach about it,
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  Speaker 1: Then I can share about it, and what you're saying
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  Speaker 1: is something that I can really resonate with, is, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I am a work in progress and I'm continuing that work.
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  Speaker 1: And it only because of that work am I able
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  Speaker 1: to see these things on other people that I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be able to see otherwise.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And I think the more I understand, the
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  Speaker 3: greater the view, and the more I recognize I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: It almost becomes that the magic of the work is
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  Speaker 2: in allowing myself to to be in that messy place
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  Speaker 2: of not knowing and allowing myself to just be where
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  Speaker 2: I am in terms of what I can understand and
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  Speaker 2: what I can do, and accepting that this is as
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  Speaker 2: you said, it's a work in progress. And the beauty
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  Speaker 2: of it is that there is no finish line. This
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  Speaker 2: is an infinite journey of expansion and growth. There is
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  Speaker 2: no destination necessarily, There's just an orientation. And the practice
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  Speaker 2: itself is how do I bring myself back to that
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  Speaker 2: orientation when I have my busy mind and the noisy
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  Speaker 2: world outside of me, and all of these patterns that
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  Speaker 2: I habitually fall into, like that critic and the self
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  Speaker 2: doubt and the fear and all of the things I've
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  Speaker 2: inherited and my lineage, etc. The awareness of recognizing those
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  Speaker 2: things and then bringing myself back to the orientation. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: but what is it about. It's about coming back into
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  Speaker 2: a state of presence to the best of your ability,
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  Speaker 2: so that you can be honest, so that you can
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  Speaker 2: be true, so that you can try to find alignment,
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  Speaker 2: so they can be boundaried, and all of the different
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  Speaker 2: things that help us to be our best, to be
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  Speaker 2: our best in the world, and to be open to
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  Speaker 2: that growth mindset.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm hearing is you're talking about this culmination of
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  Speaker 1: looking at all the aspects of life that can really
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  Speaker 1: affect us, and it's not about having this finish line.
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  Speaker 1: It's like this ongoing creation. But what I'm also hearing
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  Speaker 1: is that what you're really showing people is a way
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  Speaker 1: to feel good about how they're choosing to live, versus
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  Speaker 1: being on autopilot, versus sitting in Let's say you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the word rupture earlier, like feeling stuck in the bankrupt
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  Speaker 1: identity that you no longer can live in, and to
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  Speaker 1: have some sense of yourself despite the messiness and noise
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  Speaker 1: around you. Yeah, that's so profound.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so difficult because it's not a tangible anchor,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what we crave as humans, right, Like, cognitively,
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  Speaker 2: we need a story, we need to make sense of it.
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  Speaker 2: We need to have a plan and a map.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about not having a knowing and operating anyway fully, yeah, fully,
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  Speaker 1: very fine, Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And then the purpose of that is learning how to trust.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's so profound.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel the same. I love the work that
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  Speaker 2: you're doing, and I would love to be able to
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  Speaker 2: open myself to experience more of that. But I almost
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  Speaker 2: feel like my resistance is what's keeping me from I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure what it is, but I can feel, I
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  Speaker 2: can feel more coming through. It's just really subtle, and
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  Speaker 2: so I'm leaning into different whispers here and there, and
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  Speaker 2: it's fun, it's exciting.
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  Speaker 1: I love what you're saying. So I'm noticing in my
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  Speaker 1: mediumship that as I am in courses and really looking
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  Speaker 1: to keep growing, everything is becoming a lot more subtle.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's I don't want to say, like
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  Speaker 1: a test. What it feels is like a testimony to
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  Speaker 1: how much we're willing to really pay attention and tune
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  Speaker 1: in and honor what we're getting rather than that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: very loud or I'm busy listening to music right now,
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  Speaker 1: don't interrupt my spin on things, and then you miss out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I do feel like that's part of what's happening, is
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  Speaker 1: that it is becoming more subtle. But then when you
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  Speaker 1: tune in, it's really powerful. The things that seems subtle,
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  Speaker 1: it's not because they're small, that's the point. It's not
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  Speaker 1: because they're smaller and significant. It's just quieter in how
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  Speaker 1: it comes in, but it's really powerful.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder too if that doesn't make sense given that
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  Speaker 2: right now things are getting so much noisier. O.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like we need to be really intentional and
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  Speaker 2: deliberate with quieting the noise. And if we're willing to
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  Speaker 2: prioritize that, then the reward is that we have a
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  Speaker 2: clearer access or we can sense things better and more.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we then become a clearer channel.
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  Speaker 2: A clearer channel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so true, and that's what we want. Really gives
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  Speaker 1: us a lot more ease, even though it's not easy.
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  Speaker 1: There can be so much more ease when we're really
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  Speaker 1: tuned into how to flow with how things are unfolding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it really is. I teach medium and
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  Speaker 1: I've certainly had to learn on my own and through
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  Speaker 1: many classes of course, how to trust, how to trust
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  Speaker 1: a little bit like what you're saying in an analogy
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  Speaker 1: would be like trusting these unseen beings information. There's so
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  Speaker 1: much self trust that has to go into that, and
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  Speaker 1: people can get so stuck in self doubt because it's
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  Speaker 1: Maybe another similarity is because it's something that people don't
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  Speaker 1: typically talk about, or there's a culture like no, you
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  Speaker 1: stick on the road that you're on. What you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about is venturing way the hell off, Like where are
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  Speaker 1: you going? Come back here? This is the real world.
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  Speaker 1: This is solid, this desk, this table, this computer learning.
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  Speaker 1: How to navigate in a way that you can feel whole,
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  Speaker 1: no matter and despite whatever is happening around you. That
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  Speaker 1: is tricky business.
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  Speaker 2: It is tricky business. And I love the parallel that
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  Speaker 2: you're drawing because I think I don't do mediumship, but
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  Speaker 2: from my limited understanding, it is a very trust based
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  Speaker 2: practice because it's in the trust that you open yourself
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  Speaker 2: to allow the intuition and the connection to be strong
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  Speaker 2: enough to access That's a really important parallel and in
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  Speaker 2: terms of why we find it so difficult. Culturally, we
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  Speaker 2: have been conditioned to value the scientific method, which and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that there's a problem with that. I
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  Speaker 2: think the scientific method is beautiful. But we've been very
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  Speaker 2: limited in how we understand the scientific method in that
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  Speaker 2: we only apply it to the material, physical world. So
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  Speaker 2: the scientific method, I don't think this is correct, but
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  Speaker 2: I think this is how we've defaulted to think of
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  Speaker 2: it equals that which can be measured through the five senses,
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  Speaker 2: Whereas if we actually pull back and look at the
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  Speaker 2: scientific method as a disciplined curiosity, we have an idea,
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  Speaker 2: we test it, we try it out, that can be
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  Speaker 2: applied to this other realm of experience, but we just again,
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  Speaker 2: this is a foreign concept. We're slowly starting to open
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  Speaker 2: to this, and thank goodness for people such as yourself
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  Speaker 2: who are bringing this work into the lives of more
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  Speaker 2: people and making it easier to access and understand. I
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  Speaker 2: think we've been denying ourselves a really expansive part of
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  Speaker 2: our human experience by limiting our truth to only that
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  Speaker 2: which is material and physical and can be touched and
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  Speaker 2: can be proven with our senses.
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  Speaker 1: And makes us look logical and sensible to others, even
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  Speaker 1: when it feels like something's missing for ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, it's been a masculine ride, masculine energetic
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  Speaker 2: ride for a long time. Those are the characteristics and
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  Speaker 2: qualities that rule that energy, right, Being linear, being logical,
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  Speaker 2: being productive, all of these different things. We can all
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  Speaker 2: feel it, right, The swell of feminine is coming in.
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  Speaker 2: It's there's a shift, there's a change in the air.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why so many people are feeling the
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  Speaker 2: call to touch into that which is not so rigorously
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  Speaker 2: defined by those parameters.
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  Speaker 1: And I love what you're saying. It's a time of
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  Speaker 1: great upset right now in our culture, in the world
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  Speaker 1: you're describing about somebody having that in their own personal
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  Speaker 1: journey that it really creates this getting a flashback of
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  Speaker 1: a term from my sociology years of and no me,
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  Speaker 1: which is normlessness. Yes, you don't have that, I guess
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  Speaker 1: like the override button of I'm feeling this, but I
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  Speaker 1: need to do that. I'm feeling like this is way
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  Speaker 1: the hell off, but I need to keep going to work.
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  Speaker 1: I've had this job for twenty five years. I planned
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  Speaker 1: on retiring from here. It really is allowing for the
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  Speaker 1: disruption and like embracing it. From what you're saying, and
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  Speaker 1: the part about connecting the dots in a way that
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  Speaker 1: helps everything make sense on a good day, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that's just so much easier to do and to
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  Speaker 1: feel good about it, Like to feel whole and complete
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  Speaker 1: without regret, without feeling like you messed up your life
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  Speaker 1: so badly beyond repair. It's just such a human concept
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  Speaker 1: to live long enough to go through these life changes,
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  Speaker 1: but then to actually feel good about where you're going,
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  Speaker 1: knowing you may or may not ever feel like you've
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  Speaker 1: actually arrived, and to be really okay with that because
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  Speaker 1: it's about the unfoldment.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking of as
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  Speaker 2: you were speaking. We have this value that it is
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  Speaker 2: the destination, that the value comes in the completion of
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  Speaker 2: something in its original form as we envisioned it, and
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  Speaker 2: actually the value is in the process of getting there,
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  Speaker 2: and if we are able to enjoy and fully drop
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  Speaker 2: into the process itself, the destination really becomes secondary. And
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  Speaker 2: that makes it a lot easier to detach from the
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  Speaker 2: outcome and trust that whatever the outcome is is going
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  Speaker 2: to be okay. Because I'm enjoying the pro process of
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  Speaker 2: finding out what that outcome is going to be. That
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  Speaker 2: is a really different orientation for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: But when it clicks, it changes things so massively and
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  Speaker 2: in such a beautiful way. But as you said, it
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  Speaker 2: disrupts a lot of things too. I think about the
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  Speaker 2: concept of marriage. I've been married for twenty five years
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  Speaker 2: and I have a wonderful partner. But I got married
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  Speaker 2: when I was like twenty five. Now I'm fifty. For
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: me to think that at the tender age of twenty five,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I knew enough about myself and the rest of my
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: life to make a choice that would be the correct,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: permanent thing for me forever to me, now, that's just ludicrous,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: as I am so evolved and expanded from the me
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I was when I was twenty five and so many
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: different ways. Think part of the re orientation is to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: understand that we are living, breathing, moving, changing energy, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that it's okay for us to check in all along
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the way and ask ourselves, is this still what I
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: feel aligned with? Is this still something that is in
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: my best interest and in the best interest of the
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: other people involved. Rather than if I commit to something,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: if I create a vision, and I enter this vision
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't have the resolution that it's supposed to have.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: That's a failure, and I should feel shame about that,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and I should feel like I did something wrong because
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I wasn't able to sustain that thing. Like all of that,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I feel is starting to bubble up and become part
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: of the conversation. And people are exploring so many different
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: ways of being in their lives now so that we
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: can find our way to a place that feels more
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: true and free and joyful and aligned. So, yeah, there's
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: so much disruption, but out of the disruption, there's so
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: much potential for beauty and lovely things to come.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I love that. And I also get the sense of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: empowerment of reassessing your choices. I hear you twenty five yikes.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine what choice I might have made it
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: twenty five. I can think of it, and that would
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: have been a very different kind of life. Yeah, but
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about is also having this sense of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: peace about I am reassessing. I'm actually continually reassessing my
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: life and my choices and if they still serve all
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the right reasons for today's purpose, not why I did
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: it twenty five years ago, or feeling my messed up
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: because I shouldn't have it. Sounds like you would have
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a conversation with a woman who would bring that to you,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: who might say, I'm so stagnant in my marriage of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: twenty five years. I just can't live like this. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: maybe what's missing is her learning how to recreate and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: reinvent their relationship and herself if that's possible within the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: container of that relationship, versus just accepting this is what
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I did, and I just feel too guilty not continuing
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to do it for the rest of my life.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And what a beautiful way to keep your life
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: dynamic is to reassess in an empowering way and find
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: ways to bring more life or vitality to those areas
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that whether it's somebody's identity as far as a career
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: or who they are just with other people. Yeah, it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: like this living, breathing treating yourself as a living, breathing, growing,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: evolving organism rather than a static identity. I'm helping to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: organize a reunion, like a twenty five year reunion, so
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: it's at set up like a boarding school. So I'm
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: going to be seeing people I haven't seen in over
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: twenty years. They'll be seeing each other that they haven't
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: seen in over twenty years. And then the work that
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I'm doing now is in some ways such a contrast.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: But it's like I left that identity years ago, and
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: now it's coming almost like creeping back in a little bit,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: be like I'm still here. I'm right here, and I'm like, oh,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it's just it feels strange. Who I was, like the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: people pleaser, the energizer bunny of giving lots of love
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and attention and positive reinforcement constantly, and then I've become
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: this person who's much more reclusive and elbowing out the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: energies of those and places and myself that no longer
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: serve me. It's just such a contrast. Interesting today in there, Yeah.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Huh, almost like a little testing ground to see how
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: do I show up to that old context in this
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: new evolved version of myself?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Oh that's so true. How do I not walk around
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: fluttering like a butterfly trying to pour love into people?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I have to remember, Wait, that's not who I am now,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that's the people please are the overcompensator. How can I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: go in you're right as myself.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Now boundaried, open hearted, but imbalanced.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very different.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Rather than at the beginning of my life, I put
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: all the things in place to create what a good
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: life is supposed to look like. Oftentimes that's based on
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the expectations that I've picked up along the way, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: then I do everything I can to brick by brick
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: put that in place, and then it's done and it's ready,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and I just live out the rest of my life
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in that way. And you know, that was the case
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: for generations prior, and it served them because their journey
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: was involving a different thing. But I think we're in
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a time now where we are I say privileged, but
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I'll say privileged with burdened in parentheses, because depending on
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the day, it can feel more like a privilege and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: on other days it can feel like more like a burden.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: But we're at a place where we can start to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: challenge those survival mechanisms that we used to create our
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: lives and say, actually, we get to create in a
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: much freer and bigger and more exciting way. I think
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: another really big piece of that, especially with the women
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that I work with, that comes up again and again
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: is this feeling of selfishness that if you are checking
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: in with how you feel, that can be misconstrued, even
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: by ourselves, as being all about me and all about
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: what I want and my feelings, and then self love
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: gets a bad rap and self care gets a bad rap.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And I think it's more just misdefinition rather than a
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: problem with it itself, because I do think that giving
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: yourself permission to make that time and space to really
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: understand yourself so that you are moving in your life
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: from a place of truth and you feel like you
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: are the owner of your life, that can only benefit
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the people that are in your life. They may not
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: always recognize.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: It at first, yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: But truly, any time that you are withholding your own
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: truth in order to make things easier for the people
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: around you in the bigger picture, that can't possibly be
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: serving them because that's not based in an unconditional love.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And I think that piece is really important as well,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that it's not selfish. It's not selfish to recognize that
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: you have needs and to listen to them and to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: do what you can to tend to them.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: We absolutely and I can imagine, but I'm sure all
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of us can think of people that we know, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: maybe some of it is typical previous generations. But even
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: people who are still walking on the earth now who
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: had this set picture of how life should go and
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: they don't allow themselves to question. They're actually very contented
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and that's beautiful. But for those that aren't, there's a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: deadening of their energy that they then live in and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: so does everybody around them. But hear what you're saying.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: You could look at it critically. It's living on pins
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and needles if you're always questioning your choices in life
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and the people in your life, and maybe having a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: partner live in a little more anxiety because they know
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: they're being a bit scrutinized. But that's not what you're
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: talking about. You're talking about am I feeling if I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: can capture it? And I don't know if I'm going
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to do a great job, But am I enlivened in
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: all these areas of my life where I'm actually bringing
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: my whole self like how you've tagged it. You're the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: owner of your life. That's something I have to remind
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: myself at times because I feel very trapped in the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: picture of what I don't know success looks like. But
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the picture that I'm supposed to have in my life,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: married and a cat and a house and other things
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that you tend not to question. But you were talking
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: about previous generations and because of survival reasons, they have
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: a life. They chose that life, and they stuck with
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it no matter what. My great grandmother also brought up
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: she knew as a soul before she came into this
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: life that her life would have a lot of suffering
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and some really difficult times. She described herself as a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: more elevated soul who deliberately chose to come in and
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to serve purposefully, knowing her life would most definitely include suffering,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: lots of death, and triumph over subtle, less than perfectly
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: evolved eras in time and history. That's a mouthful. What
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I gleaned from that was that she knew her life
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: was going to be hard. She was elevated enough to understand,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I'm here to facilitate something, and that's why I came.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And that's very different than my experience, and I believe
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: yours also of those of us that are here now,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: even around our age, that midlife point where people really
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: do question their sense of let's say worth or even
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: self definition, she would not have been in a position
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to ever do that, and she passed young enough to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: not reached that point, and she never would have felt
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: like she had choices. The souls that are here now
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we came with a very different idea of how life
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: was going to go, only because that's what's happening. What
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: you're describing is this evolution of even our society and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: why we come in and you're looking to help us
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: keep up with that. It's happening on the outside. Now,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: let's focus on it on the inside in order to.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Help us manage the outside.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did mean to cut you off, so
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you were right in adding that.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a really powerful addition to the share
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: because this idea of human suffering has been finding its
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: way into a lot of conversations I've been having lately,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and there's this dissonance between surrendering into life unfolding and
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: at the same time watching other people having such a
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: challenging human experience. My role in terms of where does
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: my responsibility to the collective that blurry line between my
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: own evolution and our collective evolution. What I heard in
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: what in that additional share is whereas we may see
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: folks suffering as victims, and it's not to say that
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: they're not, and that suffering is not a terrible thing
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: for any human to have to endure, but the share
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: from your great grandmother is so empowered and just a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: completely different way of understanding the entire human suffering peace.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sort of processing that in real time and babbling
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: along asign doing so.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: So you're doing great, And the reality you just brought
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: back to my forefront is there are people who are
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: living the kind of life that she lived. I'm forgetting
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: my true sense and level of privilege that I live
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: in San Diego, California. I'm not under siege where I live.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Terrible things are not happening all around me constantly in
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the way that there are people who are enduring and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: living that way right now. It's easy to forget when
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it's not your own existence. I don't want to take
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: away from And it can sound so trite to say, oh,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: souls chose that difficult journey, but people as souls make sacrifices,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: just she did that. She was a facilitator of change
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and not to take away from
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: how difficult it is when you're experiencing it, even when
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you're talking about connecting the dots. I've spent a lot
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: of time connecting my dots, and there are times I'm
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: just like, Wow, when I was in it, you couldn't
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: have talked to me about it, and it would have
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: felt insulting and demeaning for somebody to say, oh, well,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: you chose to have breast cancer when I'm about to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: have an operation in chemotherapy. But it certainly doesn't feel
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: in any way really empowering in the moment when you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: look back years later at the growth or the positive
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: turn and change in your life that you created because
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of that pinnacle moment, that you can look back with
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the grace of thing, look at me, go, I actually
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: did something really great because of that. And I could
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: have just shrunk down, and I could have left the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: planet because I didn't want to cope with how difficult
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that was. There's just so many levels and ways to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: look at that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's a lot of power in the contrast as well, because, yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: out of that great suffering, out of our interpretation and
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: understanding of great suffering, is what allows us to be
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: so grateful and appreciative of the lack of suffering. Yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: we all fall into those places where we're just you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: humming along, and everything that we are blessed to be
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: immersed in becomes like, yeah, that's just the way it is.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And then we get thrown out of it. And the
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: first thing that happens is our attention goes to all
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: of those things we were taking for granted, and how
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: we don't ever want to take them for granted again
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: once they come back into our life in a regular way.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, as you say, there's a lot of layers there.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And what you're also reminding me of is the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: idea of staying conscious even when you're not in a
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: place in your life where there is active suffering happening
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: or grieving, let's say, and really staying aware enough to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: enjoy and appreciate those times where you have more peace
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: or you're coming along and you can be lulled into
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: unconsciousness and trying to find ways to actually still appreciate
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the every day I find as a medium. This might
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: sound kind of morbid, but I think about death a
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: lot my own people around me, and we have a cat, Cupcake,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: who's sixteen and a half, and there's a part of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: me that wants to be like, never leave me, Cupcake.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I love you so much because she's adorable and I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: love her and I don't really want that change. But
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I feel this awareness lately where I'm just telling her
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: every day that you're here. I'm just appreciating it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, and I wonder if there's also a level
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: of anxiety that we're putting pressure on ourselves to am
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I enjoying it enough?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Earlier you were bringing up the I'm like, oh, to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: avoid pressure, and here I am. You're right, it's pressure.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I think there's a way to be with that. But
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I think there's also a way of we're human, right,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: we tend to just go to extremes in a lot
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: of cases. Sort of that allowing and releasing that energy
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: of just let it be what it is. It feels
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: like a balanced middle place of those two extremes. But again,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: it's an orientation, right, We're just coming back to that
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: place because we're always moving back and forth from extream
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to extreme, and as you say, it's just about remaining
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: conscious so that we are not losing the plot. Yeah,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: that's a way to say it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I'm getting the sense, thank you. I'm getting a visual
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: now actually of walking through a park. I've seen this
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: seen many times. There's a lake on the left, and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it's a very grassy area, and there's a cement path,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm about to walk into the area where there
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: are all these really tall trees, and it's like this
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: big shift that I'm like anticipating. But if I'm staying
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: very connected to myself, I'm not afraid. I'm like, oh,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I can cope with that. I've taught myself that I
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: can trust me to cope with these things, and so
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it may be one extreme to the other at times,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: but this coming back to myself each time, as you
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: were saying, with trust, with a sense of integrity, that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I will cope because I can see if I look
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: back on all the dots I've connected that I always have,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: even if I stumbled a lot and it felt clumsy,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: but it does bring an awareness that I don't need
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to useingsnxiety. I'll try to navigate this path and to worry,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: because You're right, that's bringing fear in the anxiety, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that's a great way to poop on today. I can
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: love Cupcake, but if I am fearing her dying every day, yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: then I'm bringing anxiety even though I'm trying to just
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: bring love and peace.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's such a delicate balance, isn't it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: It really is. Genuinely, it's an art form. Yeah, I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: get that. Wow, you must really love this. Thank you.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a visual of you. I don't know what
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: this is called, but there's a way that you can
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: exercise and teach your body greater balance. And there's a ball,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and then there's a square of wood that you would
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: put on the ball, and then you've got your feet
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the ball and you're constantly shifting right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And that's the visual I'm getting about you and how
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: you're living. And they're showing you in front of a
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: classroom and you're doing it with just and I can't
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: even see the end of this vision of women in
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: front of you that you're teaching to do this. I
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: see you. You're giggling, not you're not negating anything. You're like, efet,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: we're enjoying this. Let's just enjoy this is just this
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: is life exactly how this is happening actually is life.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: But now we're going to enjoy it more. We're going
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to have more fun with it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's I love that, I've got chills. I've been
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: really noticing that as we're approaching, which is entered June,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the summer season is upon us. And what I've noticed
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: in my own journey at this point is that I've
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: been so immersed in the embodiment work, and I've really
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: been creating relationships with my shame and my fear and
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: my guilt and my sadness, and I've lost touch with
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: my joy and my pleasure and my excitement. I've been
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: getting this this knowing coming in that no, you've done
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: a good job with that stuff, but you also have
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: to remember their reason for all of that heavy work
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: is so that you can enjoy the parts of life
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: that feel joyful, that bring you into pleasurable experiences. It's
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: not just about processing traumatic feelings and digesting the discomfort.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: It's also about feeling into the beauty of the small things,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: a little pleasures and sensory things. So I am fully
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: jumping into that this season, and hearing you share that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: just was like, oh, yeah, it's my joy season.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And just as you say that, So there are a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: few screenshots I took from your website that I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to read and I just got an inkling to do
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  Speaker 1: that now, okay. And one of the things you say
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  Speaker 1: is my joy is creating spaces where safety meets self
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  Speaker 1: discovery and embodiment awakens your vibrancy. This return to grounded
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  Speaker 1: expansion evolves your life out of your stuff witches in
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  Speaker 1: many ways the whole point of being human, because we
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  Speaker 1: didn't come for an easy ride, almost none of us did,
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  Speaker 1: but enjoying making the most of evolving through and past
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  Speaker 1: and then paving the way energetically, even leaving our energetic
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  Speaker 1: footprint here that we help others embark on that same
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  Speaker 1: thing and hopefully even save them more time, help it
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  Speaker 1: become more efficient for them as we become these more
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  Speaker 1: for our own journey self evolved humans.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm so glad that you brought up that grounded
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  Speaker 2: expansion piece because it's such It's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: I was excited to speak with you because of the
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  Speaker 2: work that you're doing, Because from what I understand, you
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  Speaker 2: also came from a more human, grounded perspective of life
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  Speaker 2: in the work that you were doing, and you had
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  Speaker 2: to release or allow yourself to fully embrace a more
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  Speaker 2: expansive side of your work and I love that they
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  Speaker 2: think that it's the two pieces in balance that help
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  Speaker 2: us to be in that orientation. Right, it's don't bypass
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  Speaker 2: the human muck part, which also includes the joy and
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  Speaker 2: the pleasure. I don't want to say it's all bad.
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  Speaker 2: Embrace that experience of being in your humanness while at
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  Speaker 2: the same time allowing for something greater to hold you
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  Speaker 2: through that journey, so that there is a purpose to it,
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  Speaker 2: and there is hope, and there is all of those
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  Speaker 2: different ways that we need to feel supported when things
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  Speaker 2: are hard. As I was saying, I think I was
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  Speaker 2: mentioning before that the more I know, the less I know.
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  Speaker 2: And so even like when it comes to that soul
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  Speaker 2: trust peace, I can't say that I know for certain
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  Speaker 2: anything is true objectively, they really can't, because I just
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  Speaker 2: don't know. But if if the choice to believe in
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  Speaker 2: that story he helps me to withstand the human grounded
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  Speaker 2: part and gives me the hope and the purpose to
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  Speaker 2: make that meaningful, then I'm going to choose that story.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to choose that story every damn time, because
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  Speaker 2: we're humans, because we're story meaning making beings. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: need to have that, We need to have that anchor.
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  Speaker 2: We need to have that piece, that faith in something
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  Speaker 2: greater than just the challenge of being human is. We
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  Speaker 2: both said many times it's not easy. It's not an
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  Speaker 2: easy ride, yeah, but we don't want it to be,
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  Speaker 2: because what would be the point at that.
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  Speaker 1: I was having a moment the other day where I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about my higher self or my soul self
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  Speaker 1: choosing this life and some of the life lessons I'll
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  Speaker 1: be learning and just shaking my head like, oh my,
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot of faith in me. There's been
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  Speaker 1: a lot of really great, beautiful things that have happened,
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  Speaker 1: but there's been some really tough moments. Yeah, that really
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  Speaker 1: do make me question, and I'm sure other people too,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell was I thinking? But you're right, we
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  Speaker 1: don't grow if we don't have challenges and things that
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  Speaker 1: we come up against. Certainly our identity, but even the
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  Speaker 1: whole change in life. When you're talking about working with refugees,
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  Speaker 1: people who you know, due to no real choice of
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  Speaker 1: their own, are in a situation where they needed to
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  Speaker 1: reinvent their whole way of being. That would include almost
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  Speaker 1: everything in their lives except for maybe their closest relationships
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  Speaker 1: that they get to maintain possibly, but where they live,
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  Speaker 1: who they are in the world, the kind of work
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  Speaker 1: they might even do. A lot of people lose their
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  Speaker 1: livelihood or their status, not lose their degrees, but the
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  Speaker 1: ability to do certain jobs in other countries based on
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  Speaker 1: what they haven't worked at in that country and how
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  Speaker 1: that country may relate to or not to their accomplishments.
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  Speaker 1: I talk about a life that gets completely turned upside
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  Speaker 1: down and.
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  Speaker 2: Such an incredible spectrum of human resiliency and the human
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  Speaker 2: exerce experience because I've seen every possible way of responding
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  Speaker 2: to that rupture, and there have been so many of
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  Speaker 2: the students thrived, so many of the students just unraveled
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  Speaker 2: and got stuck. And the same things that I've come
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  Speaker 2: to understand as being central to holding us through this.
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  Speaker 2: We're a parent then as well community and safety and trust,
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  Speaker 2: and if those three things are in place, generally will
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  Speaker 2: fare better. If we've got those three things in place.
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  Speaker 1: For sure, what's coming through, just as you said that,
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  Speaker 1: is that we would have the experience that miracles can happen,
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  Speaker 1: because we would never in the moment that the change
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  Speaker 1: is taking place, let's say, as a refugee meeting to
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  Speaker 1: leave the only place you've ever really known. You would
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  Speaker 1: imagine that maybe life will become hell somewhere else, and
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  Speaker 1: that it seems miraculous that you can actually reinvent your
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  Speaker 1: whole being and still find a way to feel fulfilled.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it changes your relationship to joy happiness, meaning if
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  Speaker 2: you're able to create it completely from a new place
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  Speaker 2: that has no familiar anchors, which is incredibly powerful. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But you just sound like you are the beautiful, perfect
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  Speaker 1: Shirpa to help people navigate these changes in their lives.
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  Speaker 1: And I imagine that every woman that's listening to this,
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  Speaker 1: and it's mostly women, can really relate to what you're
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  Speaker 1: saying and how you're describing it, and the clarity with
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: which you bring these principles of how to change can
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  Speaker 1: be really enlightening for those of us that haven't gone
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  Speaker 1: through that change or have reached a certain point and
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: really have gotten stuck there because we don't have the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: right support or that sense of community that embraces who
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: we're growing into. I would love for you to share
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  Speaker 1: how people can reach you, because I know people will
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  Speaker 1: want to. How can people find you, Natasha?
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  Speaker 2: The easiest way would be just to check out my
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  Speaker 2: website which is Humanist Coaching dot CA, and there is
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  Speaker 2: a free guided audio on there which I think is
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  Speaker 2: a really beautiful introduction into this work. It's guided resourcing,
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  Speaker 2: so it's landing back in the body and finding or
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  Speaker 2: getting a glimmer of what that feels like to feel
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  Speaker 2: safe in your own body with some focused attention. I'd
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  Speaker 2: encourage your listeners, if they're interested, if they're feeling called,
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  Speaker 2: to check that out. Everything that I'm up to you
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: can be found on the website.
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  Speaker 1: It has been so wonderful speaking with you, hearing your philosophy,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: really experiencing your integrity with the work that you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's not easy, and I really respect that
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  Speaker 1: you have and hold such a high standard for yourself,
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  Speaker 1: because you can't help people go through something you don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: I've read a lot of your testimonials from people that
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: have worked with you, who feel so supported in your gentle,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: loving hands, and I just want to thank you for
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the work that you've done to get to this point
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  Speaker 1: that you can help people so much. I feel very
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  Speaker 1: moved by that in this moment. Sincerely, I just really
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  Speaker 1: honor who you are and what you're doing and what
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  Speaker 1: you're creating in the world. So thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for that. I feel as though this
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: conversation has filled me up in a way that is
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: going to sustain me for weeks. It was so beautiful,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: so much of what you shared and reflected. I feel
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  Speaker 2: incredibly seen in this conversation and it means so much
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  Speaker 2: to me. Thank you so much well for the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to be on your show and to have this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: It's so been my pleasure. Please give you your website
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  Speaker 1: one more time, and I'm going to put it in
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  Speaker 1: the show notes as well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's Humanist Coaching dot ca.
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  Speaker 1: CA for Canada. So thank you for being here with us.
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  Speaker 2: You're so welcome.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Thanks for spending this time
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  Speaker 1: with me on Mediumship Sparks. If this episode resonated with you,
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  Speaker 1: please like it, subscribe, rate, and certainly share it with
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: somebody else who could benefit. If you're interested in any
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: support I might be able to provide as you navigate
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: your spiritual path, please feel free to check out my
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: offerings at Connecting with Noel dot com and reach out
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: at Mediumship Sparks Podcast at gmail dot com. Take good
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: care of yourself and I'll look forward to being with
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  Speaker 1: you again soon