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WRH828 | WeRLD uPdaTe / Conversation · Guber Mente 2026

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At two years after the Taliban swept back to power and Afghanistan following the sudden
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US withdrawal. But we get an exclusive interview with a spokesposton for the government
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who says Afghanistan still faces enormous challenges. Americans were at war with US for
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two decades and then they had no option but to retreat and leave. Today,
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their hostility continues as they seized our money, all right, grabbing your
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stories from far and wide and giving them to you without the mainstream narrative fluff
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type of your news on art International. So, China has told a senior
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figure from Japan's coalition government not to visit the country. That's after Tokyo began
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releasing into the sea treated waste war from the crippled Fukushima Nuclear power plant.
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Now, during his trip, the official was expected to meet the Chinese president
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even theoretically pass along a personal message from the Japanese Prime Minister. But have
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a look at this map right here. You see this Asia Pacific region.
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Well, these Pacific nations are furious with Japan's decision, saying the spread of
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this tainted water could potentially impact all of these coastal regions. You see here
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on this map. Now, Tokyo insists the move is safe, but the
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controversial decision has sparked mass protests are domestically and abroad. So where are we
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talking about? Well, China, Fiji, Japan, South Korea, just
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to name a few for example, I mean in South Korea, the capital's
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soul. Right here, protesters gathered are chanting saved the Pacific. They even
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waved banners saying that the Pacific is not Japan's rubbish bin. And then over
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on the far right, over there the island nation of Fiji. A crowd
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demanded Tokyo immediately stop releasing the treated water, and then hundreds of demonstrators in
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Japan as well, making their feelings pretty clear. They say the release of
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this tainted water is just too risky. We will never forgive the Japanese government
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for breaking its commitment to the people. I think this not only betrays the
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Japanese people, but also goes against the international community. I firmly oppose it.
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It only conducted tests on the amount of treatium, but other radioactive substances
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are also dumped into the ocean. We're really worried. We firmly opposed the
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discharge of nuclear contaminated wastewater and demand to stop to it immediately. Although Japan's
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already releasing radioactive water, we still demand that the Japanese government immediately stop the
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release, and we urge the South Korean government to do what China is doing,
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which is to prohibit the import of Japanese seafood than all Japanese imports so
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that we South Koreans can safely eat their own seafood. Tokyo says the wastewater
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has been still to remove the most toxic elements. However, Beijing remains unconvinced,
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saying Japan is posing a major risk of the entire global marine environment.
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A short time ago, I was speaking of with a CGT and News correspondent
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Joe Jarshin. He had this to tell me Meji Ashley's various stent pasocologic nuclear
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contamining water because sometimes, you know, Western water, polluting water could be
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you know, complicated to the public understanding about it. In China says that
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at by the by the Japanese government is against strawn international position and against the
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rights of people in the region. The Japanese government unilaterally forcibly launched a discharge
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of Fukushima nuclear contaminated water into the sea, which is extremely selfish and irresponsible
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in disregard of international public interest. The Chinese side firmly opposes and surely condemns
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this. Japan's move will cause unpredictable damage in harm to the global marine environment
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and will further aggravate the safety risks of Japan's food, agricultural and water products.
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Two books. Yeah, we are aware that the Chinese government has just
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announced a total suspension of inputs of Japanese marine products. Earlier, we made
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a request to the Chinese side through diplomatic channels to seek immediate abolition. Will
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strongly encourage the Chinese government to ensure that the effects of ocean discharges are discussed
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in on experts, based on scientific evidence. I think this is already a
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worse than the already is deteriorated by a latter of times between the two countries.
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The Japanese delegates would not be a visiting China because of this at the
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right time, and also it can also after you know, US President Joe
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Biden met with his Japanese in South Korean kunterpart in the US and which is
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really a alliance against China, So this would not be a good sign.
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If you know, a Japanese government would not koree or beginning cars to Beijing
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to discuss with these stations the authorities, I mean the Ministry of Agriculture and
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Rule Affairs. So it will strictly adher to the national standards for those concentration
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of substances in at eleven and will strengthened the march suburing aquid productstricken shorter Sete.
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But as you said that this is spreading half twelve years and within like
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about two months, it could spread to half the Pacific region, and the
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potential harm of that discharge of the contaminating water opposed to the marine fishing and
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where they did want to buy the Chinese authorities. The quick reminder for you,
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almost twenty thousand people died following the earthquake and the subsequent tsunami in twenty
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eleven which wrecked the Fukushima Nuclear power plant. Japan's releasing more than thirty thousand
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tons of wastewater from that plant into the Pacific by March next year. A
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seventy percent of that water is believed to contain low levels of a tritium,
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which can increase the risk of cancer. However, there's only limited research right
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now into the other chemicals that are contained in this water. China is also
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suspended imports of seafood from Japan in a move it says is to safeguard public
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health. A panic buying of sea salt surge in a recent days, with
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authorities having to reassure the public there's plenty to go around. Amid the controversy,
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the Japanese energy giant Tepco, which is responsible for the plant and the
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water release, has been taking the media on tours to show the water cleansing
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process. How did they get the basics? The Japan's decision is bigger than
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the people are very concerned. The big issue here is not what we know.
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They keep talking about trintium. Yes, that's an issue. The world
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is being deluged with it, but there are seven other radioactive isotopes that they're
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not talking about it. There is not a lot of studies about what their
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effect is. They're shooting in itself. You know. They keep saying,
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well, it's released by many other nuclear plants. But the issue there is
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that that doesn't mean it's okay. But what's happened as you've seen an increase
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in the amount of turned to him in the water, but there's are also
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other things. They have not really tested these storage tanks for what's in them.
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They've admitted that they've only tested three percent of the water, so they're
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not exactly certain what's there. And given their credibility gap and their desire to
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minimize everything, it's really hard for anyone to believe them. Well, this
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is potentially huge. The Indian Prime Minister no Reno Modi has proposed granting the
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African Union full membership of the G twenty, the Group of twenty. It's
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just ahead of the Block Summit. It's happening next month in New Depthing.
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India believes that the inclusive approach of this forum will have a direct impact on
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this group. With this vision, we've invited the African Union to be members
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of the G twenty. Africa's economic development is an area of focus in the
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B twenty. Also, India believes that the more inclusive this forum is in
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its approach, the bigger impact it will have. This will help in handling
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the global economic challenges, sustain growth, and this will help in the implementation
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of the decisions made here in the B twenty summit and we will be successful.
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Let's get more details now crossing Live Twati correspondent Runjun Sharma, Runjun,
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good to see you today. God, there's just so much attention being paid
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towards Africa these days. I mean, a couple of months ago we had
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the Africa Russia summit ins and Petersburg. Now potentially Africa and the African Union
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joining the G twenty. You've got to talk to us, if you would,
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about the potential significance of this. Correct in fact, Rory, This
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is Indian Prime Minister Narendra Mordi in a sense reiterating his move that he took
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in June this year to enhance Africa's voice on the global stage. Remember,
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erin the movie had written to all his G twenty counterparts that African Union be
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included in or in fact given full membership at the upcoming G twenty summit,
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which New Delhi will be hosting. Now, African Union is a mega grouping
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it includes over fifteen countries and a really India believes that inclusion of the Global
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South on powerful global platforms such as the G twenty is truly the way forward
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to create a multipolar world. And I also remember last week on the sidelines
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of the Brick Summit, the president, the Brazilian President basically supported the move.
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Brazil will take over the presidency of the G twenty in December and wants
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to put the reduction of inequalities back at the center of the international agenda.
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We can't do this without greater representation for Africa. That's why we're at the
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ka of the African Union joining the G twenty. Now India, it was
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so posted the Voice of the Global South Summit earlier this year in January,
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where one twenty countries had participated, and really India feels that it is time
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that the Global South, which is largely the developing world, also largely under
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represented on powerful global bilal platforms, be included, for instance, in a
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G twenty. Now India also believes the rise of Africa is the key to
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global rebalancing. So the move taken binary andes removie on the same lines on
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also on the lines of Indias of foreign policy. So now all eyes on
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the upcoming G twenty summit, ten or days left for it. Now,
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lots and lots of developments, mega developments really expected, and we'll keep a
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track of all of that. Yeah, it sounds really intriguing. In fact,
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I don't know you and my colleague Union O'Neill will be hosting the G
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twenty A summa there, kicking off in about a month or two, so
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looking forward to your special coverage. Appreciate that report. And while the World
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Bank says Russia's GDP has surpassed European giants Germany and France, taking fifth in
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the terms of purchasing power parity, the EU's foreign policy chief is now trying
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to convince the public that Western sanctions on the Russian Federation are actually working.
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In a new article, Josette Barrel hits back at those daring to doubt their
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effectiveness and those who perhaps doubt the mainstream narratives over and outs who are contributor.
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So, the European Union's Chief diplomat, Joseph Barrell must be getting pretty
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tired of hearing European leaders talking smack about how EU sanctions against Russia have turned
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out to be a big flop, because in a new blog post featured on
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The Block's website, Burrell argues otherwise, within a year, sanctions have already
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limited Moscow's political and economic options, causing financial strain, cutting the country from
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key markets, increasing the costs of trading, and significantly degrading Russia's industrial capacity
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project much. It's more like Europe's industrial capacity that's become degraded, with Russia
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now surpassing Germany, the UK, and France in GDP adjusted for the varying
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costs of goods and services between the different countries, so purchasing power parity now,
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that's all according to the World Bank earlier this month. By this measure,
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Russia now ranks fifth in the world, behind China, the US,
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India, and Japan. And it's Europe's political and economic options that have become
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quote limited, having traded cheap Russian gas for greater dependence on more pricey American
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energy. Even German Foreign Minister Anneleina Berbach just said a few days ago that
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the sanctions weren't working on Russia. Her explanation, the sanctions just don't work
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on autocracies. Well, I guess that means the West should just stick to
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sanctioning only democracies. Then the Hungarian foreign minister also just through cold water on
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Burrell's conclusions special the policy of sanctions has failed and the question is what about
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the politicians who are in favor of it. The common sense here is for
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them to count their losses as someone has to accept responsibility for the actions the
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whole world is laughing at the policy of European sanctions. Also intruding on Burrell's
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anti Russian fantasies is the rise of the Bricks and its impact on countering Western
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efforts to dictate the isolation of any particular economy such as Russia's, particularly in
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the wake of six new resource rich economies being invited to join its ranks.
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Since the first Breeks Summit, our share in the global economy has been increasing,
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and now we have already surprised the G seven By diversifying our economies and
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currencies. We promote cooperation between developing countries. We cannot accept a new form
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of colonialism that imposes trade barriers and discriminative measures. Barrel said in this blog
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post that the root cause of all this drama is Russian aggression. Apparently,
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when the West is throwing punches, whether through sanctions or its arming and training
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of anti Russian Neo Nazis in Ukraine, not accepting to just take it on
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the chin. Now constitutes an act of aggression, so apparently does walking away
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from the Black Sea grain deal when only Russia was expected to hold up its
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end of the bargain. Russian President flarrymir Putin set the record straight on that
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at last week's Brick Summit, the international economic situation is being seriously affected by
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the illegitimate sanctions and the illegal freezing of assets of sovereign states. Russia is
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and will remain a responsible supplier of food to Africa. Russian green exports to
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Africa amounted to eleven point five million tons in twenty twenty two, and that
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is despite the unlawful sanctions imposed on US that seriously complicate logistics and hinder the
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export of Russian food products. Barrel's latest attempt to put a positive spin on
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European sanctions now goes beyond attempting to gas light Russia. It now effectively also
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puts himid odds with the observations and reasoning of his very own Western foreign affairs
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colleagues from the bloc's own member states, who also have apparently come to the
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conclusion that sanctions just don't work. To Niger, where a deadline set by
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the coup government for the French ambassador to leave the country has expired as a
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massive rally took place in the capital, Niame, where top military officials addressed
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the nation on behalf of the Head of State, General Chiani. We are
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here to address you and say that you must remain mobilized. The battle has
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only just begun. Victory belongs to the people and it's the Nigerians who will
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decide this country's future. Protesting locals waving flags of Niger, but Kino Faso,
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even North Korea, and they condemned the former colonial power of France and
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the historical grip it had on the country. Meanwhile, local media reports claim
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the coup government's cut power and water to the French embassy and if indeed the
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diplomats refuse to leave, they will be evicted by force. The people are
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the sole masters of their destiny. We are going to cut off the water
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and electricity to the French embassy. Nobody's going to supply them with anything,
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nobody's going to sell them anything. If it's a war posture they want,
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then we are going to go to war. Today. It is with dismay
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that we see the French embassy refuses to fulfill a note of vacation from a
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sovereign country. We are simply dismayed. In my humble opinion, I do
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not think that force can have its interests here. Those people entrenched in their
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positions through all the devious plots they are making left and right, are against
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Niger and its people. First of all, French citizens are not Nigerians,
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and Nigerian cannot call himself French. I don't see the point for the French
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ambassador or for France to insist on staying in our country. We understand that
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French survival is at stake, but since we don't want them, they have
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to leave. We can't impose ourselves onto their country, so they won't be
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able to do so either. The days of slavery are over. It's a
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very fluid situation in Niger right now. You can keep abreast of all the
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developments on our website art dot Com. Meantime, it seems the EU might
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be launching a so called civil military mission in West Africa in the autumn.
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But what is a civil military mission? We'll keep you posted on that.
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Herodots for now here on the programmer. Afghanistan's Taliban government has firmly rejected a
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UN Security Council report which says terror groups still have access to millions of dollars
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worth of weapons left behind after the sudden US pullout from the country. In
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a statement, a Taliban spokesman claimed that access has now been severed and those
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arms are being seized and destroyed as efforts to counter militant groups continue. The
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Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan once again reject these BASIS accusations, and while calling for
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transparent involvement in such issues, states that in the last two years, Afghan
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security forces have conducted hundreds of continuous operations against illegal weapons and DISIS. As
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a result, weapons and ammunition were captured and ISIS operational capabilities were destroyed.
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You probably remember when America pulled its forces out of Afghanistan in twenty twenty one,
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that left behind around seven billion dollars worth of military equipment, weapons,
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armored vehicles, even helicopters. The Taliban did seize most of that, but
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some of the weapons ended up in the hands of different militant groups present in
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the region. Well, here at our t we got an exclusive interview with
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a Taliban a rep. He says the US occupation did bring chaos to the
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country, but now the spreading of arms and weapons, it's just a consequence.
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There are many aspects which the world can see for itself. During the
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American presence here, the Afghan people's individual, communal, physical, mental,
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political, economic, social, spiritual and religious life was completely spoiled. In
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fact, a serious loss was inflicted on the nation. Afghans were never safe
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in their homes or living in a stranger's house. The Afghan economy was completely
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linked to the Americans' interests. Americans and their allies were in full control of
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Afghan politics. Chaos in the center, differences among tribes, and crumbling administrative
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units. All this was leading to disintegration. Afghanistan was at the brink of
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dissolution and split into multiple pieces. But thanks to Anna, after the Taliban
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took over, everything reversed. The evil left and it's highly significant for us
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that we liberated our country that day. We were free from raids, house
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searches, body searches, prisons, detentions and confinement, all of it.
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In the past, our economy was linked to the foreigner's interests. Now it's
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to our interests. There is complete peace at home and a bad impression of
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war to on Afghanistan has changed into a good one. In the past,
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there were multiple governments in different parts of the country. Today there is one
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strong United and Central Government INKABAL having no match in world capitals. Americans were
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at war with Us for two decades and then they had no option but to
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retreat and leave. Today their hostility continues as they seized our money. Nothing
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new in that they were losing our money. During their twenty years of occupation.
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They had frozen our freedom, freezing our assets. Well, that was
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not unexpected. What will we do with that money as a question to be
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answered at the time when we receive it, Whether we keep it abroad or
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bring it back to utilize here, we will decide about that later. I
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believe ISIS is a deception plot of the West tomline the caliphate system of Islam.
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The purpose is to use isis dirty tricks to present in portray a hostile
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image of Islam to damage harmony, unity and consensus among Muslims. The goal
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is that people in the West will become suspicious and mistrustful about Islam. The
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Taliban, the government believes, and even our scholars have issued a verdict that
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All of those who are against the Islamic system Afghanistan are rebels, no matter
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what name they have, because our Islamic Emirate is unified. The Islamic Emirate
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is trusted by all regarding the Isis issue. These anarchists were active in the
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era of the prophet Mohammad, so we will never compromise on our system of
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government at any cost. Any armed revolt again in star Islamic government is considered
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unlawful and to fight against these rebels is a sacred war which we will lead
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to a logical end. We have two completely different societies. One is Afghan
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the other is Western. If they have some basic rights here, we don't
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consider them basic rights. For example, they have absolute freedom there. We
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don't believe in an unconditional free hand. Let me ask a question to those
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who are raising the issue of women rights. When around one hundred Afghan women
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were being slaughtered each day in this country, did they raise their voice for
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them? The Afghan women were not safe, their children were not secure,
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they were deprived of all the rights. Why didn't they raise a voice for
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girls? This is injustice. The West should stop its hypocrisy. Russian security
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services have detained an alleged informant for the US embassy here in Moscow. The
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Russian citizen has been arrested and charged over and out urtism. We're in a
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Kosarev reporting on how this whole spy saga unfolded in the first place. Some
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would say that this is the epitome of karma, being abandoned by those who
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encouraged you to betray your own country. Robert Shanoff worked for the US mission
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in Russia for over twenty years, but when the consulate in Vladivostock was closed
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in twenty twenty one, he was out of a job. That's when he
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used his connections and was employed by the Americans again, only this time by
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the embassy in Moscow. His job was to report on political and economic trends
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in Russia. Sterodult on the instructions of the Americans, I was to prepare
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reports on high profile events taking place in Siberia and the Russian Far East.
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In particular, they were interested in the progress and results of partial mobilization,
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the number of people mobilize, the use of regional budgets for their financial support,
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training, logistical equipment, the negative reaction of the population to the special
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military operation and the joining of the new Russian regions, the level of protest
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sentiment, and the upcoming presidential elections in twenty twenty four. Of course,
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they were interested in anything negative happening in Russia. Some things never change,
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and to circumvance the law Russia implements of that autumn, which introduced prison terms
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for secretly collaborating with other countries against your own, they used the following scheme
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school combine. I received money for completing my assignments from embassy officials through a
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Russian commercial company where I was employed as an operations manager but did not actually
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work there. I repeatedly expressed my concerns to the Americans about the possibility that
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I might be criminally prosecuted, but the US embassy staff constantly reassured me that
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what I was doing was perfectly legal. Of course they but then this happened
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their former employee and now secret informant was arrested for working with them against his
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own country. In order to regain lost ground, the State Department, through
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the political department of the Esambus in Moscow, organized a target effort to recruit
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informants from amodern Russian citizens whose tasks included collecting information of interest to the YES
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foreign policy establishment, in particular the State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research,
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a structural part of the YES intelligence community. What is Washington saying about this,
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Well, they admit that Selt was working for them and that they later
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employed him through a commercial company, but that neither he nor they did anything
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wrong, and of course they condemned his arrest. Some would say, there's
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nothing criminal about collecting negative stories, even if it is aimed against your own
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country. But there's more pie David Boustein. David Bernstein, first sectory of
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the Political section of the US Embassy in Moscow, gave me the task of
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locating Russian citizens loyal to the US from among the expert in journalistic community to
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organize contact with them in order to discuss issues of interest in the US State
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Department. By the nature of the information that Jeffrey Silum and David Bernstein required
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me to collect, I assume that these individuals might have been involved in US
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intelligence activities. Mister Bernstein is an interesting figure. He likes to attend events
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hosted by the Yablica opposition party as well as various court hearings of members of
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the Russian opposition. Here here is, for example, at the trial of
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Aleegor Rolov, who is accused of repeated public actions aimed at the scredit in
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the Russian Army. And then here he is again at the trial of another
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opposition figure who's been charged with high treason disseminating false information about the Russian Army
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and for his involvement with an undesirable organization. And there he is again and
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again. Why there are lots of questions regarding his activities and in particular his
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connection to Robert Shanov investigators. As for Instein and his colleague, to clarify
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those tides, here are their subpoenas from the FSB. But they were in
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no show you know where else. They didn't show up at any of the
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court hearings of their former employee, the one who risked his life for them.
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Basically, what's the moment since my arrest the Americans have not made a
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single attempt to help me or my family. At the same time, they
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did everything they could to free Griner and read declaring at every moment their intentions
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to rescue Wheeland or Hershkovich, supporting them visiting them, calling them while they
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just abandoned me. That's what you get after twenty plus years of service,
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No guarantees, no protection, not even a visit. In the U State
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Department's message to other Russians in a similar position, roll the type. What's
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your message to other Russians who are now in a position similar to his working
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for companies that have been contracted by the US Mission in Russia, Kylie,
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this is, of course, let me to take a step back. It
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is our understanding that staff, including former staff, could be subjected to further
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scrutiny from the Russian government, and so we continue to be very careful about
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our contact and engagement with them. Since these Russians still work for these companies
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that are contracted by the US Mission, if they could potentially be subject to
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arrest, these are decisions that individuals are going to need to undertake on their
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own. I don't have a guidance or advice to offer from here. And
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that seems to be the message to Robert Shanoff as well. Thanks for the
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work, buddy, but you're on your own now. Not quite the American
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dream, is it all right? That's a program for now here on ARTI
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International just wanted to mention, you know, the US news personality Tucker Carlson.
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His popularity exploded since Fox gave him the boot. Well, Tucker Carlson
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says he wants to interview with the Russian President of Vladimir Putin and Artie's editor
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in chief Marguerite as Simonyan thinks it's a good idea and Margarita is optimistic that's
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such an interview at some point might indeed take place. We'll keep you posted
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here at RT. I'd love to see it happen. For the meantime,
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you and O'Neil at the desk in half an hour's time. I do hope
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you can join him there. How about that m Carlson putin so interesting.
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I still believe there's massive World Economic Forum influences behind what's going on with bricks
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pretty much everything. So check this out. Hello, and welcome to cross
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Stock were all things are considered, I'm Peter Lavelle. American voters are rarely
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interested in Forum policy during election cycles. That said, the issue of Ukraine
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may be the exception this time around, particularly among GOP voters. Much of
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the Republican base has soured on the Ukraine policy. They see it as Biden's
30:27
war. To discuss these issues and more, I'm joined by my guests George
30:42
Samuel Eli in Budapest. He's a podcaster at the Gaggle, which can be
30:45
found on YouTube and locals. And in Lisbon we crossed the Clayton Morris.
30:49
He is host of the Redacted News podcast and a former Fox News anchor.
30:53
All Right, gentlemen, Crosstock rules and affect. That means you get into
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any time you want, and I always appreciate it. All right, George
31:00
in Budapest, it was very interesting how over the last few weeks how the
31:03
Ukraine policy has played out in the US presidential election. But having said that,
31:08
Foreign Minister Lavrov said on the last news cycle, which I think is
31:12
quite interesting, said we know what we're fighting for. What is the Biden
31:15
administration fighting for? Well, very good question, as far as one can
31:22
tell, is fighting for the right to keep the war going indefinitely. It's
31:30
doing good business for US arms manufacturers, and it's killing Russians. As Lindsey
31:37
Graham famously said, you know best money ever spent. You know, the
31:41
Russians of dying. So that's all the only strategic objectives that it's impossible to
31:48
discern in the case of Biden. I mean, when it comes to the
31:52
Republicans, obviously there are the neocounts and there's Donald Trump. And Trump himself
32:00
however, as always has been ambiguous. I mean, he's not quite sure.
32:05
Does he want to be the tough guy who's going to you know,
32:07
stand out the potin bring this water an end or does he want to be
32:10
the peacemaker who will finally, you know, be deliver what everyone obviously wants.
32:17
So he's playing it both ways and has happened during his presidency. You
32:22
know, when you try to sit on two stools try you usually fall in
32:25
between them, you know, Clai, it's very interesting looking at the mainstream
32:30
media coverage of the conflict in Ukraine, and it's it's about ninety nine point
32:35
nine one direction. But at the same time you have a lot of people
32:39
and if you look in alternative medium of podcasts and whatnot, it's almost the
32:44
reverse. There's an enormous amount of skepticism, and the skepticism is only getting
32:49
more intense as people actually learn more about the context of the conflict. Your
32:54
thoughts, I agree with you. I think that there's been an awakening when
33:00
we were covering at the beginning of the war and drawing attention to this has
33:06
not just started in February. This goes back many, many years. There's
33:08
a lot of context here. Let's talk about Victoria Newland. Let's talk about
33:13
all of the pieces under the Obama administration that we're put in place to get
33:16
us to this point. The expansion of NATO. And people would say,
33:20
no, no, no, you can't talk about that. We were banned
33:22
and blocked and censored and taken off YouTube. And now I've been there,
33:24
so yeah, you know, you know how it goes, right, So
33:30
you've been expanded. Now. I think there's this awakening, this unfolding,
33:32
and even just among I know anecdotes, right really don't fly, but even
33:37
like among friends who were sort of wow, maybe had you know Ukrainian flags
33:42
flying or or put up in there their Twitter bios, you've seen a removal
33:46
of that. You've seen flags removed just even going around Portugal. They're parts
33:51
of Europe where you had all of these flags and subway stops and billboards and
33:54
everything had been removed. And I think there's a growing awareness, and I
33:58
think it's starting to trickle into the mainstream, and I'm encouraged by that.
34:01
It's a I like when people become educated. Yeah yeah, but it's sometimes
34:07
it's really hard to get it out there, you know, George. I
34:08
mean, we could all be very skeptical here and take a step back.
34:13
Okay, So the Biden administration is for the war overwhelmingly. Trump is against
34:19
Biden. So support Trump, you see what I mean how it kind of
34:22
plays It plays into that because, as Clayton is mentioned, you know,
34:25
the more you're educated about this, the more questions that are that are brought
34:30
up. But then there's also a political wedge issue. I'm against this because
34:34
he's for it. I think there is part of that as well. George,
34:37
Yes, without question. And I think that's the problem that's orisen with
34:44
Trump and his acolytes is that they're constantly attacking Biden, but it's not clear
34:52
always what are they attacking Biden for, because some of them are attacking Biden
34:54
for not doing enough to help Ukraine, and Trump says, well, it
35:01
wouldn't have happened if I were president because I was so tough, and you
35:05
know, Putin wouldn't have dared to do anything. With me and and someone.
35:09
So the difficulty, however, is I agree with Clayton, is that
35:14
there is the public perception of Ukraine is very different from the perception of the
35:21
foreign policy making elite. The foreign policy making elite is absolutely gung ho in
35:27
supporting Ukraine, not because I think Ukraine will win. They just want to
35:31
go on bleeding Russia. However, the public, you know, has not
35:37
been enthusiastic about it. All the polls show that there's no enthusiasm for it.
35:40
There's you know, no where do you see any demonstrations against the Russia.
35:46
It is costing a lot of money, and I think that point is
35:50
seeping into people's consciousness. Hey, we're spending all this money on Zelensky.
35:54
How come you know we can't have you know, there's no money for this,
35:58
there's no money for healthcare, no money for dental care, whatever,
36:00
but there's apparently infinite amount of mother folk zo. Let's get the question then,
36:06
is how do we get to some kind of democratic accountability so that the
36:09
public view, oh, well, we'll get back, We'll get to that
36:13
with the Warpowers Act. That was just past the seven second half of the
36:15
program. Clayton, George gave us a wonderful segue into the self destruction of
36:22
Mike Pence by Tucker Carlson. Which is very interesting is because you know,
36:28
as I said in my introduction, you know, much of the Republican base
36:31
is souring on this here, but not the elites. And this is one
36:35
of the things that George and I have talked about a lot over ever since
36:37
the conflict started, this iteration of it, meaning in February of last year,
36:43
is that now we're seeing the real, stark difference between the establishment and
36:49
everybody else. Well, it was interesting to watch Tucker's evisceration of a lot
36:53
of these candidates over the past few days, and you really, you're absolutely
36:59
right about it. There's this dichotomy between the people and the audience and the
37:02
sort of automatons who are up on stage, Mike Pennce being the perfect,
37:08
the perfect robot, right, the neo conservative robot. And I think one
37:15
interesting narrative emerged when you watched all of those interviews. It was this idea
37:19
we can walk and chew gum at the same time. And so they're having
37:22
this very narrow debate right now. Biden is too slow to get jets into
37:27
Ukraine, we would do it more quickly. And that's literally that's the spectrum,
37:35
you know. And and so there's no daylight at all between Democrats and
37:38
Republicans. But you have this audience sitting there saying, wait a minute,
37:42
why are we sending billions of dollars into this vacuum cleaner that's Ukraine. Why
37:47
are we doing this when our bridges are collapsing in the United States, when
37:52
we have a fentanyl crisis pouring across our borders, when people can't afford their
37:55
rent and they're working harder for less money. The US dollar continues to be
38:00
devalued. So it's amazing to watch this disconnect. But George is absolutely right.
38:07
There is an absolute thirst for continuing the military industrial complex in the United
38:13
States. And just follow the money and all of those mansions that pop up
38:16
around Washington, DC, they're all fueled by the military industrial complex and defense
38:22
contractors. So the money is just pouring into Washington, DC. And then
38:27
of course you'll have this UFO hearing next week, and then military industrial complex
38:30
will make even more money once that disclosure project comes out. They'll make trillions
38:36
instead of billions. You know, George, it was interesting the Nikki Haley.
38:42
I mean, she might not have been obliterated, but she certainly learned
38:45
her lesson from Mike Pence. Okay, meeting, she doesn't really say anything
38:49
substiitut she never has before. Why should we expect it now? But what
38:54
the Tucker interviews showed, at least if interested in the topic, and then
39:00
there are red lines there. People have certain limits and they don't like being
39:07
lied to. Okay, it's for democracy, Okay. Oh, then why
39:12
aren't there elections going on in Ukraine? Okay, Well, it's about transparency.
39:19
Oh why can't you have an audit of all the money that's going there,
39:22
exacting people? You know, people don't like to be treated as if
39:24
their children. Yeah, no question. And it was very striking that in
39:31
the twenty sixteen when Trump eviscerated his all of his or Republican opponents, he
39:40
did it by a very clear, unambiguous message. He said, we will
39:45
lie to about Iraq. You know absolutely it was a cong job. And
39:50
he went further, he said that they knew it was a cong job.
39:52
Those people who you know, the deaths of thousands of Americans are on them
39:57
because they lied to the American public. And everyone assumed, well, this
40:01
is the end of Trump, you know, you know, he cannot survive
40:04
this, and instead the Republican voters sealed the deal. Yeah, you're absolutely
40:07
right. We were lied to. And this was in South Carolina, you
40:10
know where you're the home of all the veterans. So so you're absolutely right.
40:15
People want, you know, the truth told, and they know that
40:21
everything that they've been told about Ukraine, about Zelenski have been lies and uh
40:27
and that that is any And that also explains Carlson's reputation. I mean,
40:34
He's standing among among Republicans is extraordinary, and taker Carlson has been the one
40:40
person on mainstream media who has been absolutely outspoken on the subject of Ukraine.
40:49
Yeah, because he's not afraid. He's not afraid. Everybody else put into
40:54
a posture being afraid, I claim. I find Bobby Kennedy Junior This position
41:00
on this very interesting too. So you have obviously he's not the front runner
41:05
in the Democratic primary because there isn't a Democratic primary, but I mean he
41:09
is prominent within the party and in alternative media. He's very very popular,
41:15
not like in the mainstream here, but it is very interesting. You have
41:17
a Bobby Kennedy j and Trump maybe not saying the same things, but both
41:22
being skeptical, both being skeptical, and both being marginalized and censored and blocked
41:28
by the mainstream media. And it's amazing to watch when they say something what
41:32
you're allowed then to cover in the mainstream press or to have again YouTube censoring
41:37
videos blocking, shutting down entire channels because of what Bobby Kennedy Junior has to
41:43
say. I don't agree with him on everything at all, but I think
41:45
when you have a candidate who's willing and unafraid to come out and say,
41:51
you know, why are we doing this? I will He says, I'm
41:54
going to shut down all the military bases around the world. Do you ever
41:59
think they're going to let him become president of the United States when he says
42:02
that, I'm going to dismantle the military industrial complex. I'm going to take
42:06
and shut down these military bases. If my wife says, how can you
42:09
say that, Clayton, how can you say that? You're going to think,
42:14
isn't that a comment on the on the situation of democracy in America?
42:19
You just said they'll never allow him to do that. Well, what happened
42:22
to the democratic process. Yeah, I mean that facade. I think we're
42:27
now really seeing through this facade that it's the money, it's the donors.
42:31
All you need to do is go back seeing these nuggets of Bernie Sanders.
42:36
Right when when MSNBC producers and whistleblowers and MSNBC came forward and admitted that they
42:40
were told that they were not allowed to put Bernie Sanders on television, right
42:45
and even in their graphics that they had on their screen when they showed who's
42:47
the who are the candidates running for president right now? It was interesting to
42:52
see, uh, you know, Andrew Yang and other people removed from the
42:55
graphic and they had Kamala Harris on there, who was pulling lower than Bernie
43:00
Sanders. Why so she's pulling lower? You have Bernie Sanders who's winning,
43:06
but you can't have him on the show. You can't in the gentlemen,
43:08
I have to go to a heard break here. I'm gonna jump in here.
43:10
We're gonna go have a heartbreak, and after that heartbreak will continue our
43:14
discussion. State. Welcome back to cross Stock, where all things are considered.
43:22
I'm Peter Level. This is the home edition. To remind you we're
43:23
discussing some real news. All right, George in Budapest. Here in the
43:38
last news cycle, we had the Senate rejects congressional powers over NATO Article five
43:45
and it was a vote of losing sixteen to eighty three. We entered the
43:50
first part of the program'm talking about the democratic process. Now we're talking about
43:54
trashing that constitution. Is that someone else's another countries already needs trumps the security
44:01
needs of the United States and trumps the constitution. That's exactly Remember Rand Paul
44:09
hadn't made the proper democratic observation that you know, Article five of the North
44:21
Atlantic Treaty does not trump the US Constitution. The decisions about going to war
44:27
are determined by Congress and by the US President. They're not determined by nature.
44:34
But this is where you know, the American political elite is no,
44:37
no, no, you know, we we can't discuss that we have to
44:40
be binding on Article five is binding on us. But of course we've we've
44:45
talked many times that Article five doesn't say that you're automatically go to war.
44:51
But even when you look at the North Atlantic Treaty, it makes clear that
44:55
you're only other obligated to go to war in circumstances as long as you're in
45:01
conformative with your own nations laws and constitution. And so they accept even the
45:08
North Atlantic Treaty, except that every nation has to follow its own laws and
45:14
its own constitution. But it is a measure of how far America has degenerated,
45:22
because there was a time when there were senators who expressed discomfort with the
45:29
United States joining NATO. There were senators who are expressing discomfort over the expansion
45:37
of nature. You know, there was a debate. I mean, it
45:39
wasn't much of a debate, but at least there was some debate in the
45:43
nineties about expanding NATO. Now, I mean, other than Rand Paul and
45:46
even heat, it has been rather weak. But other than Rand Paul,
45:52
there is almost no one who's saying, hey, where the head is the
45:54
are you dragging the Americans into Yeah. George and I on our podcasts have
46:01
discussed at great length what article one of the treaty is, which has never
46:06
mentioned, meaning don't look always resort to diplomatic means to resolve conflicts here.
46:12
But Clayton, one of the reason, the reason why I brought this up,
46:15
and it's something a trend that I've been observing for a long time.
46:17
You're in Lisbon, you're in Portugal, and uh, you know, we've
46:22
seen how the EU has subsumed itself to NATO, because you know, if
46:27
breggsit, you know, the the UK's backdoor back into Europe is through the
46:32
European Union, but when it's subsumed under NATO and the US Congress is just
46:37
codified exactly the same thing. I mean, I found this article on antiwar
46:44
dot com. I mean I didn't see it in the main street. I
46:46
would have missed it completely if I hadn't gone to alternative media. Clayton Well,
46:52
I think you're hitting the nail on the head, which is what Well
46:54
George did too, is what is happening to the United States. You're literally,
47:00
you're literally taking away American sovereignty and you're turning it over to this global
47:05
unelected body, and it really gets you off the hook. We're seeing it
47:08
at the World Economic Forum level, We're seeing at the World Health Organization level,
47:13
so that you know, under a pandemic treaty what happens, Well,
47:15
the United States government is irrelevant. It's this unelected body that gets to decide
47:21
with the future of these countries, and I think this is I know there's
47:23
all this chatter and talk about this unipolar order versus a multipolar order, but
47:28
I really think it is actually this is this is the future. This is
47:32
the debate right now. Do we want to give up sovereignty to these large
47:37
organizations that do not have the interests of these sovereign powers at heart? And
47:43
so individual countries, whether it's Netherlands and having their farmers, uh, you
47:46
know, loss of their thousands of farms because of something that is drawn up
47:52
in Brussels, or the United States pandemic policy is something that's drawn up by
47:58
the World Health Organization, Or why are we sending so many billions of dollars
48:02
into this cauldron that's destroying the United States. All of these questions are not
48:07
being asked by by people in Washington, DC. You're right, Rand Paul
48:12
maybe the only one that was asking that question. And then he's even bent
48:15
over and allowed these things to pass. Oh, there's no, there's no
48:19
audit of the amount of money we're sending there. I asked for it.
48:22
Well, I guess I didn't get it. Okay, I won't hold it
48:25
up anymore. Let's just push it through so week is a great way to
48:29
describe it. And it's really really troubling. The Senate's rejection, you know,
48:34
this Constitution over over this, I'm really I'm really worried about where we
48:38
go from here and how much well, you see, the United States Senate
48:44
just had to finally announce that we're no longer at war in Iraq after twenty
48:49
years. We have to we have to literally when did we even announce a
48:52
war? When did we actually actually put When did Congress approve a war?
48:57
This is something it's with the vote in I go to George right now.
49:01
They will, they will, They even refuse to affirm the Constitution. It's
49:06
extraordinary. They don't affirm the parameters and the sovereignty, if I can use
49:10
that word of the cons They refuse to do that. That's Extraordinary's that never
49:15
happened in our lifetime. It's quite quite quite strongly. I remember a few
49:19
days ago they also had a vote. It was I think some congressmen who
49:24
stipulated, as a condition of more money for Ukraine, that the Biden administration
49:30
come to Congress and explain its strategy. What is it trying to achieve?
49:36
And if they doesn't come and explain what it's trying to achieve, then there'll
49:38
be no more money. And that was of course also voted down. So
49:43
here you have elected politicians who presumably are elected in order to oversee the proper
49:50
spending of the taxpayers money, saying no, no, no, we don't
49:53
want to do that. You know, you don't have to come to us.
49:55
You don't have to explain how you're how you're spending our money. And
50:00
that's the same thing with the audit. No, no, no, we
50:01
don't want to audit. We trust you. You know, all this money
50:04
is you know, one hundred billion, two hundred billion. Who knows how
50:07
much money has been spent. Yeah, it's all being spent perfectly appropriately there
50:13
at all. They need an audit of Donald Trump's businesses in New York City,
50:17
That's exactly That's the most important stuff, right, Yeah, is a
50:22
personal money. Yeah, that that's really important. Okay, what you're doing
50:25
with taxpayers money? Hey, you just go right ahead and keep doing what
50:29
you're doing. You know, Clayton, One of the things I find really
50:32
bothered some We shouldn't be surprised, is it. We all of us remember
50:37
the drum beat to war in Iraq, and the same strategy is being used
50:42
even though the New York say we learned our lesson in Washington. We learned
50:45
our lessons. Will you know, we won't be we won't fall for this
50:46
again, but they are because the the you know, NATO is a supposed
50:52
to be a defensive military organization, so we should be talking about geopolitical positioning
50:58
and security. But it's trying to sended that into a a crusade, a
51:04
crusade about the West, Joseph Barrell's you know, the Garden and all of
51:09
this year and it security isn't really kind of an afterthought here because you know,
51:15
the whole idea of security during the Cold War and since is the indivisibility
51:20
of security for all. We are no longer in there. We you know,
51:23
we got untethered from that, okay, and as long as we're untethered
51:29
from that, we're going to be living in a time of intense insecurity.
51:32
And oh, by the way, Beijing is watching. That's a great point.
51:37
It's a question I've asked for years when people would say to me,
51:40
well, this is or you will hear the rhetoric from George W. Bush
51:44
and all of them, and Dick Cheney and others. This is making us
51:47
safer that by going into a rack, you know, tie a yellow ribbon
51:51
around a tree and in America and this is making us safer. I mean,
51:54
my brother was in Baghdad so during the Gulf War. And how how
52:00
are we safer? How is our security improved here in the United States by
52:06
invading and destabilizing the Middle East? Like, please explain that to me.
52:09
I'd love to hear how that works. How are American troops in Syria stealing
52:15
Syrian oil, providing security for the United States and then shipping it to Iraq.
52:20
How How is sending hundreds of billions of dollars into Ukraine making people in
52:25
Iowa safer? Please explain it. I would love to hear. How can
52:30
you can even go further? How is it actually helping Ukraine? George?
52:35
I mean, you know what I've said on my program, you know,
52:37
you know, the US should stay in Iraq, and I've always said,
52:42
didn't we help them enough? You know, maybe we should stop helping these
52:45
people as they as these elites say, because the more aid that is being
52:51
sent to Ukraine, the longer the war, the more people die, and
52:53
the smaller Ukraine gets. It's it's absolutely, as you know, cerebral cause
53:00
and effect that the more money that palls in, the more NATO they get,
53:06
the more a country is destroyed. I mean, what's happened to Ukraine.
53:08
I mean it's just horrific. But look what's happened to Syria. I
53:14
mean, it wouldn't have happened had Obama not come up with this brilliant idea
53:17
to affect regime change. You know, Assad must go before that, oh,
53:22
Gaddafi must go. You know, look what has happened in the in
53:27
Libya, Look what's happened in Syria. And of course, in that same
53:29
wonderful year in twenty eleven, they said, you know, the Sally in
53:34
Yemen, let's go, so they We've had that war in Yemen that's been
53:37
going. So here have total devastation of a country after country. Certainly hasn't
53:45
done anything for the United States, but it's just destroyed them. And you
53:49
know, obviously would go back to all of the George W. Bush's wars,
53:53
and this is really the legacy of NATO and even even going beyond wars.
54:00
I mean, the impact that it's had in Eastern Europe, all the
54:04
divisiveness, and you know, the hysteria that's overwhelmed many countries in East Europe
54:09
that you know, basically had had quite a peaceful life. That wasn't there
54:13
wasn't any of this, the ethnic conflict, the terrible political bit in this
54:17
that has now emerged in a country in Bulgaria and Romania, Moldova. All
54:22
of that is effective, is an effective US and native expansion. Yeah,
54:29
you know, the George gave a really good litany a menu of failed foreign
54:35
policy regime change mcclaim. We have one minute left here. But the different
54:39
there's a big difference this time. You're going the US is leading the collective
54:43
West against the nuclear power called Russia. It's a bit different, don't you
54:46
think? One minute? Absolutely it is. And I think you're you're witnessing
54:51
why they're continuing to push for you know, saying well, no, the
54:55
nuclear power, nuclear weapons, that's off the table. So we're running up
54:59
against this wall. So then we're gonna play underneath that nuclear threshold. We're
55:02
gonna play our little game in our little garden, expanding NATO into all of
55:06
these additional countries and funneling as much money as we can to the expansion of
55:09
NATO, and we're saying we're out of weapons now. How convenient. We're
55:13
out of weapons. So, you know what, we need to ramp up
55:15
on a war footing. You heard this in Britain, you heard this last
55:17
week in Washington. We need to go to a war footing. Now,
55:21
what does that mean, Well, we're out of weapons now, so we
55:22
need to expand within these parameters. More javelins, more patriot missiles, more
55:25
jets. Expansion, expansion, expansion. What happened to NATO being a defensive
55:30
organization? Yeah, well, at the expense of healthcare and education and