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Ty & Bob Pod S5 E6: Did the real Green Bay Packers just stand up? · Go Long Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: From Green Bay, Wisconsin, I am live at Badger State Brewing on Tony Canadeo Run.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's great being back here in the state of Wisconsin, Bob,
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  SPEAKER_00: and figured,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know what,
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  SPEAKER_00: if we're going to hit record on an episode of the Ty and Bob Pod
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  SPEAKER_00: with Bob McGinn back, baby, from vacation, got to find a brewery.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is a nice one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I tell you what, this wasn't around in our day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which is more than a decade ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now that you think about it, it's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been that long.
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  SPEAKER_00: You drive around Green Bay and new restaurants, new bars, new breweries.
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  SPEAKER_00: They've got their own title town by the stadium.
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  SPEAKER_00: And actually this brewery, it's a couple of Hail Mary tosses away from Lambeau Field.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm drinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Drinking an ice.
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  SPEAKER_00: IPA.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me give you the exact name of it here.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is a...
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  SPEAKER_00: Hang tight.
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  SPEAKER_00: Grassy Place Hazy IPA.
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  SPEAKER_00: They've got a Grassy Place series of beers.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is smooth.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not one of those IPAs that choke you out.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Choke
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  SPEAKER_01: you out.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll sip on this through the pod.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I got my bad look coffee, okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: With a straw, I see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Coffee with a straw.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's to you, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just wish you were out here with me, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: We could throw back some beers like old times.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe get Silverstein in the fold.
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  SPEAKER_00: But hey,
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  SPEAKER_00: the best way, look,
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  SPEAKER_00: if we're going to do some feature stories on the Packers,
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  SPEAKER_00: be it profiles,
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  SPEAKER_00: deep dives on the team,
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  SPEAKER_00: you got to be here talking to Several players,
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  SPEAKER_00: coaches,
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  SPEAKER_00: as many people as we
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  SPEAKER_01: possibly can to bring you guys as close as possible to
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  SPEAKER_00: the real thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been a very successful trip.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll leave it right there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Be on the lookout for stories as they roll out in the coming weeks and months.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Green Bay Packers, man, got a little winning streak rolling here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's a big one.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Detroit, Michigan, this week against the Lions.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll definitely touch on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Only two games to review, but I think the people want to know, Bob, how was your trip?
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  SPEAKER_00: Going back to the roots.
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  SPEAKER_00: The trip was magnificent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me get a little background.
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  SPEAKER_01: My dad, Tyler, Dennis McGinn, with one hand, Dennis, was born in 1902.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when I popped out, he was 50.
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  SPEAKER_01: My mom was 45.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad to be here, Tyler, if you can understand that, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's spectacular.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he died when I was nine.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I don't, you know, his background, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this trip with Pat, my wife, was to check his background out.
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  SPEAKER_01: College, two colleges, law school, one of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And high school.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the shirt I'm wearing.
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  SPEAKER_00: TRF Prowlers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was a saber-toothed tiger on your sweatshirt.
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  SPEAKER_00: For those listening, not viewing, that is a sweatshirt.
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  SPEAKER_00: It looks like a sweatshirt I would have got at
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  SPEAKER_00: the Wisconsin Shopko Hall sweatsale back in the day.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is sharp.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's the first time it's been worn.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the TRF.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thief River Falls, Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_01: Northwest corner of the state of Minnesota,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe 70 miles from the Canadian border and 50 miles from Grand Forks,
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  SPEAKER_01: North Dakota, the Red River, which separates those two states.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we were in Thief River three days.
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  SPEAKER_01: He graduated, he was a prowler in 1920.
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  SPEAKER_01: He captained the football team in 1919 and the basketball team in 1920 that season.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kayla, the principal of Thief River Falls and Reed,
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  SPEAKER_01: the math teacher and historian par excellence.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gosh, they let me sit there and look at all the yearbook,
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  SPEAKER_01: the Prowler yearbooks from 1916 to 1923.
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  SPEAKER_01: He had brothers and sisters.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've taken all these copious notes and taken some pictures.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was a great three days.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's Thief River Falls, home of Arctic Cat snowmobiles.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whoa.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Get out of here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are big in Western New York.
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  SPEAKER_01: You see those all over.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Arctic Cat.
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  SPEAKER_01: We stay in Quality Inn right near there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
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  SPEAKER_01: What else?
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  SPEAKER_01: The hockey arena in town,
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  SPEAKER_01: 3600 seat arena with this Engestad money that built the arena over University
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  SPEAKER_01: of North Dakota which has 16,000 seats.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like little Norway up in Thief River Falls.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is about populations 9,000 I'd say.
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  SPEAKER_01: Settled by Norwegians.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, my dad's clan came from Ireland.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in one of the yearbooks, they were describing McGinn, Shamrock McGinn, they called him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was a great three days in Thief River Falls,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I got the shirt, so we're ready to roll.
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  SPEAKER_01: The next two weeks, we'll mention the other two colleges he was at, okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll hold that to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was only part of your trip.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that you were able to get together with one of our Go Long OG subscribers.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, hell, no, he goes way back.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've been talking to this individual for a very long time,
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  SPEAKER_00: one of the absolute best people watching this pod.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll let you take it from there, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a pillar, isn't he?
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a pillar, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dr. Jeff Mendeloff.
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  SPEAKER_01: M-E-N-D-E-L-O-F-F, vascular surgeon in Minneapolis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Loves medicine, loves his job, and loves the Green Bay Packers, doesn't he?
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  SPEAKER_01: He can talk at 24-7, can he, T?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's the best.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was talking to him just the other week from the Bills Press Box.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dr. Jeff, can't thank you enough for all your...
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  SPEAKER_00: Loyal support.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we've been talking to him back to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel days.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've been talking to a ton of people from those JS days, which is now 15 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: So everybody out there listening,
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  SPEAKER_00: watching, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: holy hell,
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  SPEAKER_00: we could not be more blessed,
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  SPEAKER_00: more gracious that you have stuck with us through all of the years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when we started this podcast, podcasts were in their infancy.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were not many of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we were hitting record from Bob's kitchen with this bulky equipment
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  SPEAKER_00: that didn't even do anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: I swear,
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  SPEAKER_00: I really don't think any of those knobs and dials did a damn thing,
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  SPEAKER_00: but look pretty in the kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, people have stuck with us throughout the years and it's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Dr. Jeff is one of a kind,
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  SPEAKER_00: incredibly intelligent when it comes to this team,
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  SPEAKER_00: like a lot of people here who subscribe.
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  SPEAKER_00: I imagine it was a great dinner with him and his wife, you and Pat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Probably a lot of good Packers talk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you got some good ideas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he got you thinking
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  SPEAKER_00: on a few things, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe a little too much Packer talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like to talk about his medicine, his career in medicine and all this kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he goes, Bob, Bob, what about that linebacker, Franklin or something?
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  SPEAKER_01: Bob, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's literally saving lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Saving lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a Milwaukee native,
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  SPEAKER_01: and now he informs me he's going to the World Series this weekend in Milwaukee.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: See his brewers.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Successful trip then for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was great.
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  SPEAKER_00: In your stead,
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  SPEAKER_00: our old pal Spoon tapped in,
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  SPEAKER_00: brought his intellect, insight, analysis, as only Spoon can.
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  SPEAKER_00: So thanks for that, Tom.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where shall we start?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm driving around town and listening to some local radio,
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  SPEAKER_00: talking to the locals,
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  SPEAKER_00: and there is a buzz in the air,
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  SPEAKER_00: an excitement out of – I mean, really – 31-7 over the Bears.
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  SPEAKER_00: 23-13 over Dallas.
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  SPEAKER_00: And both of those scores could have been a hell of a lot worse.
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  SPEAKER_00: You think about all the missed kicks against the Bears.
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  SPEAKER_00: Three drop touchdowns against Dallas.
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  SPEAKER_00: They started with a win over Tampa.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is three in a row.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was a little uglier.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they've turned it around.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this was a team in a pretty dark place.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, at Lambeau Field, we talked about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: The fans were booing.
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  SPEAKER_00: The line looked...
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  SPEAKER_00: Decrepid answers seem non-existent.
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  SPEAKER_00: The 2026 season appeared fairly bleak for the Green Bay Packers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'll say this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is why I appreciate everybody who subscribes and reads and understands how
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: that two-part series on Matt LaFleur presented all sides.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is a lot of redeeming qualities to Matt LaFleur.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can look at his hard coaching through a lot of different lens.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can be a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It'd be a bad thing when it comes to how he works with his assistants.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I did talk to a coach fresh out of that Atlanta game
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  SPEAKER_00: when times were looking pretty dark for the Green Bay Packers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this coach who,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: pretty critical of his boss,
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  SPEAKER_00: really credited Matt LaFleur for being calm in that moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this was less than 24 hours after the loss,
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  SPEAKER_00: and he just noted how calm Matt LaFleur was,
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  SPEAKER_00: how he had an open forum,
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  SPEAKER_00: was just really having great dialogue with his assistants and wasn't panicking,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: A hard-driving Shanahan tree coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kind of stayed measured when he had to stay measured.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it does seem like, you know, he wants a player-led locker room.
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  SPEAKER_00: Brian Gutekinds did what he did, finding some more linemen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then Travis Glover comes up and steadies things at right guard.
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  SPEAKER_00: They grit through an ugly win against Tampa.
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  SPEAKER_00: They blow out the Bears and Tyson Bajan.
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  SPEAKER_00: They blow out Dak Press.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that really...
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  SPEAKER_00: This was the defense's first real test there against the Cowboys,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they looked really good against an explosive offense.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to give it up to Matt LaFleur.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he steadied this team through a rough early stretch.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now they're really getting into the meat of their schedule when you look ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where do you see the Green Bay Packers right now, Bob?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've been around forever, 1979.
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  SPEAKER_00: You've seen the ups and downs and, you know, and 18-week schedule, 17 games.
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  SPEAKER_00: All teams are going to do this,
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  SPEAKER_00: up and down, and you've got to somehow just ride out those inevitable tidal waves.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe Green Bay had theirs early.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a tough division, though, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I wasn't that down on them when they were 1-2.
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  SPEAKER_01: However,
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  SPEAKER_01: had Baker Mayfield played in that game,
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  SPEAKER_01: They very likely would have been one and three, and then we would have been talking.
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  SPEAKER_01: But one and two,
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  SPEAKER_01: they got good players all over the place on this lineup,
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  SPEAKER_01: and the O-line was a total mess.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've done a good job,
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  SPEAKER_01: good coaching, good player procurement, solidifying that for the time being.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at the defenses.
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  SPEAKER_01: They haven't seen great pass rush in these three teams, but yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: They're a contender.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were a contender starting out the year.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're a contender now.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're in a very difficult division.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, right now the North, 16-6, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you kidding me?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's 7-27.
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  SPEAKER_01: Second place is the AFC North, 15-8, 6-5-2.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's brutal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Vikings 5-0, Green Bay 4-2, Bears 4-2, Lions 3-2.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now we got the Lions and hosting Green Bay Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: I expect them to be what they've been for most of these last 30 years,
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  SPEAKER_01: a contender with a shot to get to the Super Bowl.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's about time they get to one, really.
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  SPEAKER_00: Definitely more than the number seven seed sneaking into the 44% club.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a,
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a fine line you've got to straddle if you're Matt LaFleur in
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  SPEAKER_00: the Green Bay Packers where you want the urgency to be there.
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  SPEAKER_00: You feel the pressure,
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  SPEAKER_00: whether you're using the words Super Bowl or not,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you don't want that tightness to manifest to your players.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's where I think Jordan Love is just the perfect quarterback for this team.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was just grabbing lunch with a player inside of his huddle,
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  SPEAKER_00: and this player really noted how It doesn't matter if you can't hear yourself think
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  SPEAKER_00: at U.S. Bank Stadium, any of these road venues, placing could be going nuts.
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  SPEAKER_00: The defense could be blitzing the whole kitchen sink at you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jordan loves calm demeanor, just laser beam.
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  SPEAKER_00: It makes them calm, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Shit's hitting the fan, and he is totally unaffected.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's his playing style.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, especially this year, he's been hanging in that pocket.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stepping up into that pocket,
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  SPEAKER_00: as Tom noted last week,
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  SPEAKER_00: as well as he has throughout his entire career,
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  SPEAKER_00: knowing damn well he's going to take a shot and just delivering dime after dime
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  SPEAKER_00: after dime.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, some of the throws he was making against Dallas,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's about as sharp as Jordan Love has looked his entire career.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't even care what his stats are.
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  SPEAKER_00: His completion percentage, I'm sure, isn't great.
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  SPEAKER_00: You watch these games, you watch his play.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's making throws very few quarterbacks in the league can make.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's going to come down.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've seen this for a couple years with Jordan, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't think he's playing any better now than he did.
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  SPEAKER_01: He stretches last year, stretches two years ago, stretches three years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's just got to do it at the end, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's at that point in his career now.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's really good all this regular season.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just to get to the playoffs.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when they get there, they got to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the NFC is a mess.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got the Eagles now with no QB.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got L.A. losing Devontae Adams.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're sitting at two and four.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you got two huge contenders basically almost out of the picture in the NFC.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what do you got?
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  SPEAKER_01: You got the Niners at six and all.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Seahawks should be solid, three and three, and the three teams in the North.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the NFC East is a wasteland.
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  SPEAKER_01: NFC South, Carolina should win that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't see them doing much in the postseason.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe Atlanta, but
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  SPEAKER_00: they got problems too.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're only six weeks into this
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  SPEAKER_01: thing, and it's really crystallizing.
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  SPEAKER_01: The NFC's only got a few teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Green Bay?
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  SPEAKER_01: When they get Parsons back,
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  SPEAKER_01: and if Parsons plays somewhat similar the way he was last year,
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  SPEAKER_01: they got a real shot.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Josh Jacobs, too.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I forgot about him.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Kevin Zeitler hasn't been incorporated into the offense yet.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: When do you get him in there?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure we'll talk about the offensive line.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, I mean, every team has injuries.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Edric Cooper goes down with that Achilles.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: But, I don't know, Isaiah McDuffie's flying there.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: He was making plays, and he's got a ton of experience.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: You can talk yourself into all four of these NFC North teams.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Really.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, even Detroit, with as bad as they've been on defense, they can score with anybody.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: The Vikings' defense is elite, and now their offense is starting to wake up.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: And Chicago got Caleb Williams back.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: What was he, 30 of – 31 of 36?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't really know – I'm sorry?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: He had three throwaways out of those six incompletes.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think this division would be as good this year.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, it might be.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, might be.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right, well, let's get into the games like we always do here on the NFC North pod.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: Shall we start with Sunday night's Sure.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Festivities.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right over there.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Lambeau Field.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: A mile away, Tyler?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, less.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, not even.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you look out the window, you can see it from this brewery.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: So we got Green Bay 23, Dallas 13.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Dallas won the toss and took the ball, didn't they, Tyler?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: You don't see it much anymore,
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: but they wanted to strike a blow with what they have going for them,
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: a heck of an offense.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: They took the ball and it was three and out, I believe, against Jonathan Gannon's
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Rejuvenated defense, and then the pack started playing.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, offense, snaps.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Golden played 63 of 75.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Watson played 66.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Savion Williams played 40.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Melton 18, and that's what it was.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's start with Watson.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Third and third, I mean,
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: This team was magical on third down in the first half, especially the quarterback.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: I believe he was nine for 10 on third down in the first half.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of them were third and six and beyond.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're just breaking the Cowboys heart.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: They were solid and blitzing on first and second down, having success.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then Love just shot them down.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Watson, third and 13.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: He made a good catch in the middle for 27.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Quite a bit of a run after the catch.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: He runs an over route from a slot on second and 13, gain of 28.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just ran away from people.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Third and two,
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: we beat man coverage by the rookie,
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: the Ohio State player, Caleb Downs, gain of eight.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: And he dropped the 26-yard touchdown.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now the ball, I believe, was ticked by the rookie rusher, Malachi Lawrence.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that ball was tipped.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: And if it was, you know, That certainly mitigates the situation.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: So that's Watson.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's playing really good.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Golden and Watson ranked five and six in yards by NFL receivers right now.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Golden.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's a dangerous cat, man.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Or right away, there's a cat blitz off the corner by Joey Porter.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: He missed that play.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think he has to make it minus two on a run.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: That was first play of the game.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: He runs a slant and go over there against the rookie,
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Siobhan Ravel, gain of 37, and then he gets a taunting penalty with his arms.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: What did you think of the taunting penalty, Bob?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know you don't like taunting.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I think, and I know what you think.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, Bob.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was a bullshit penalty.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like it, T. Oh, my God.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're on a different page here.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like all the penalties.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: These two games I watched,
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: plus the game last night,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: all of them were sickening in terms of amount of penalties.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: No continuity in these games whatsoever.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: These refs this season are way overboard.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the number of penalties would be compared
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: to this point last season, but there's got to be a lot more.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's bad news.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: This game is – it's hard to watch.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's gross.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean – I don't know what it is.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the officiating crews treat it like the preseason.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, exhibition season.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I want the playoffs to get here so everybody just swallows their whistles.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you see it every year.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: You get to the playoffs and guys can play through that echo of the whistle.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: They're not calling these roughing the passer penalties.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: They sure as hell aren't calling that a taunting in the playoffs.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Why not just get to that place right now?
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, do they like seeing themselves on TV?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Do they want to make these calls so all their family members
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: and friends can see them flex their Hockey-Lean muscles for everyone in
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: the shmedium shirts?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about you, refs.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody gives a damn about you.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Get the hell out of the way.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Forever.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Go.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Go hide in a hole.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: It drives me insane.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: All Matthew Golden did, Bob, was flex his biceps.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't even like he might have been doing it toward the fans.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: They say it's taunting when you do it toward an opponent.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: I guess there was an opponent down there because that was the nature of the play.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: There was a DB down covering a receiver and he just did this.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Who cares?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: That was garbage.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: You want them to be robots?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is that it?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: You want these players to not have any emotion whatsoever in the most violent sport
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: in the world?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like mocking an opponent, which he was clearly doing to Mr. Roosevelt.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it was clear.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think he was clear.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, all right, I heard you out now.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Let's keep going, all right?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, you got the floor.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, third and sixth.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have nothing more to say about it.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody watching or listening to the pod,
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: leave a comment on this post and let us know where you stand.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are you with myself or do you have the incorrect opinion and do you agree with Bob?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: They're all with you.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: They're all Packer fans.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, no,
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: no, no, no, no.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: We have objective consumers of Green Bay Packers football and all of football.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: I know that our subscribers think clearly.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: They don't just judge opinions based off of a comment section or the comments on
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: a tweet or a screenshot.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: They read, they digest, they consume, they think.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I will not minimize the intellect of our Loyal subscribers.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that they will come to the correct conclusion.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: How dare you demean our viewers like that, Bob?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: How could you do such a thing?
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: All right, then let's go back to Mr. Golden.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: After his taunting,
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: third and six,
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: he catches a nine-yard touchdown on that post against Amir Speed, a former Spartan.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: He double caught that ball, but he made the play.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: Then he's behind speed again.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: The ball is dropped into his hands and he drops a 43 yard touchdown.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Then he runs a corner route against speed again, drops a 23 yard touchdown.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Then he drops a low slant.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'd still give him a drop on that ball.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: And on a third and five out of the slot, he runs an out against downs again for 14.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Downs can't play the slot covering people.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, don't they?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez, you draft a guy and now he's covering man against Matthew Golden?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Hopeless.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's go to Savion Williams.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the most I've ever seen him play, 40 snaps.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: LeFleur is going to use this guy as a gadget guy,
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: and he got good mileage out of him in this game.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Third and five, ran an in against Downs, man coverage, gain of 15.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Comes out of the backfield deep against Barham.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: He was open.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: That was a 24 yard touchdown.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: The ball fell incomplete.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then he runs some motion behind the line,
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: runs a reverse off that motion, gain seven, I think it was.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nice appearance for him.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Melton, 18, not much.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the tight end, Tucker Craft.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's played back to what he,
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know he hasn't, he's not played back to what he was last couple of years.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right away, he gets a bad run on the goal line.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Quinnen Williams minus one.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: He runs a sideline and up,
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: he was just smothered by a linebacker, I believe on the coverage, incomplete.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Poor sideline awareness, caught that ball out of bounds.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Should have been inbound.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: He dropped a screen pass,
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: and he gave up a knockdown against Sean Gary,
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: who really didn't get a whole lot going in that game.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Then you got Jonu Smith played nine, and Redmond played 25.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Jonu is kind of another target LeFleur can scheme with, and Redmond is a big heavy-duty blocker.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's it for the skill.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's go to the old line.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: All right, left to right.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't see the Bear game last week, but Morgan's playing better, Tyler, at left tackle.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: He is.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: I got him for one knockdown in this game, and there was a lot of dropbacks.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Love had 44 dropbacks, something like that, 46.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: I got one pressure.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's impressive.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's go to the left guard.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: Tomlinson, you know, he's an old fashioned slugger, Tyler, you know, he hammers away.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's a bright guy.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's not going to wow you with anything he's doing athletically, but he's playing okay.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Now he gave up a sack on an in charge by Rashawn Gary.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: But it was a late chase.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: The sack occurred in 5.6 seconds.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: And when I time these sacks,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: I start right when the ball is snapped to click it immediately when
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: that quarterback can no longer continue.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: If I feel he's trapped and maybe he spins around in the grasp for .5,
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: I start it immediately when he's in the grasp.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Then Tomlinson had one bad run.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: He played good.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: One sack.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Really, that's his only pressure.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Solid effort.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the poorest performance was by the center, Sean Ryan.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up two sacks in this game.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Quinnen Williams got him in 3.1, and Kenny Clark got him.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he had a bad miss there, and that sack occurred in 2.6.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: He also gave up a hurry-holding penalty against Clark,
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: pressure against Ogbonie, and one bad run against Ogbonia.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the right guard.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: So we still haven't seen Kevin Zeitler.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen Travis Glover.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: For this is his third start?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Tampa Bay, Chicago in this game.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Glover, he's a massive man.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get his numbers one more time.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get Travis Glover from Georgia State.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's a sixth round pick in 2024.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is his third year.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's 6'6 on the nose, 317.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: He ran 5-3-1.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's not bad.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: 24 on the test.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: So he's a smart offensive lineman.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: His athletic numbers were okay.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: He only did 20 on the bench.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes that's typical for coming from a small program.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Arms 34 and three fourths, good.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Hands average nine and three quarter.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, they started Jacob Monk, that would be the first three games.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was drafted in the same year as Glover three years ago, but around earlier in the fifth.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Monk was really up and down, you know, he was a center.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's three inches shorter than Glover.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Coming out, he was, uh, well, five pounds lighter.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's a lot faster.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: He ran 505.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Glover ran 531.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Monk's another smart guy with 25 on the test.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Short arms though, 32 and three ace.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: That makes a big difference.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: So Glover, you see him pull from right to left.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's a plotter, you know?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but in a good way, uh,
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: He gets a piece of people.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's not the greatest athlete in there.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's a sixth round pick, but he's been effective.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about blown assignments, but he hasn't had a whole lot of misses.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: He had a bad run.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: He missed a pull coming over on Jay Sean Barham one time.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: He was ineligible downfield.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: He made a young guy's mistake and he gave up one hurry to Kenny Clark.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's been pretty solid.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: And the other guard, they were playing Donovan Jennings early in the year.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you forget Aaron Banks is, I don't even know if he's played this year.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: I guess he played the first game.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's got what a toe and a groin.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, something like that.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: So he's going to be back.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't play great last year, but he's going to be in the mix.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's go to the right tackle, Anthony Belton.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Second round pick in 25.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's look at his numbers.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's a massive guy.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: He and Glover are, They blot out the sun on that right side.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Belton, 6'6", same as Glover, 3'3", 6".
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's about 20 pounds heavier.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's even a better athlete.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: He ran 5'2", 8", a little better in the vert, a little better in the broad.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Bad on the bench, just like Glover, 20.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: His arms, boy, not great.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: 33 and 7'8", and 10 and a quarter hand.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: But Belton, he gave up a flush against Gary.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and he got a holding penalty on that play.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he had one bad run.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: He missed Vaughn Miller late for minus two.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, solid effort.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: So all these players got winning grades except for the center.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: And he probably, I mean, he wasn't bad by any means.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's go to the running backs.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Strong plays 41, Marshawn Lynch 30.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Lloyd.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Lloyd, yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Marshawn Lynch, wouldn't they love
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: to have him?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: They could have, once upon a time.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: And Caleb Johnson, the fumbler, four snaps for him.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to Strong.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I dug out my draft series from 2022.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's 5'11 1⁄2", 203.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: And he ran 4-3-9 coming out of South Dakota State.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Is that the Jackrabbits?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: I believe so.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: What's North Dakota?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: One of them is, I
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: think.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Strong.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: He had a poor test score, 11.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Good athlete, 38 on the vert.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the Jackrabbits.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: Jackrabbits.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: And they're playing good football these days.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So Pierre...
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was a three-year starter up there for the Jacks.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Quote said one scout, he ran fast.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: In the passing game, he has a chance.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: He's super productive.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: When they played up a level against Colorado State, he showed up.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: There's a physical skill set there that can be developed.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: He ran the fastest 40 of the top 30 backs in 2022.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see that Sunday night, but it's there.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Quote, he's a much better player than James Robinson with Jacksonville was out of
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: that league, meaning the Missouri Valley, one scout said.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Had some long touchdown runs.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes he just doesn't hit the hole.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: He searches, likes to bounce.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I could see that.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Effective short receiver, average pass blocker.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: He rushed for 4-5-2-7 in his career in a 7-2 average.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: So...
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: His career, he's been with three teams,
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: New England, Cleveland, Green Bay.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's only played in his career 478 snaps.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's got four drop passes in his career.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: He hasn't played that much, but they're so desperate now.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Without Jacobs, they're playing the guy, Pierre Strong.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you believe that?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: So they had no running game in this 26 carries, 57 yards.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: But he was effective in the passing game early during this magical third down stuff.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's third and 13.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: He catches a ball two yards deep into the flat.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: He breaks tackles by Barham and Amani Hooker, gains 14.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hell of a play.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Third and eight, swing pass.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: The other flat gains 10.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: Third and two.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: The middle's clog on that carry.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he bounces left end, gains six.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it really showed instinct there.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Made a nice catch on a ball thrown behind him in the flat, gain a five.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then he dropped a check down.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: But all in all, a good performance.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Lloyd, he dropped the screen.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: He got injured.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, he came back a little couple plays.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't tell much in this game and Johnson played four snaps.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: All right, now Jordan Love.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this passer rating, he's at 74.8 because he only had one touchdown and one pick.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it looks like he played just a nothing, a nobody game.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: But the guy was tremendous as you talked about and we all saw it.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: He was to run, I mean,
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: This third down stuff,
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: the first drive, 90 yards, and we've gone through all these third down completions.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the Cowboys were bringing the house, and they were fresh.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, pass rush was fresh at that point.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they got some rushers as Araku, Lawrence, Gary, Von Miller.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: The two tackles inside can do damage.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they got people.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I thought their rush was pretty stiff.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was, they had three sacks and a lot of pressure.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't make any difference.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: You just sitting back there at six,
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: three and a half, surveying the scene, man, and throwing the ball on the button.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: That third and 13 ball to,
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: was that the one to Strong?
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: He sidestepped, no, he sidestepped the rush on that thing, just a couple steps.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: He had that feel.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: He drills the ball to Watson.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was just over Barham's reach.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: Great throw.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: His cadence got Kenny Clark to jump.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Old Kenny, couldn't handle it.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: The interception was kind of a misread.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: They were in man, not zone.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: He was kind of nonchalant on that throw, as he tends to be at times.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then Golden saves a touchdown.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: That rule's crazy, isn't it?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: He just grazes...
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: Dee Winner's back with his glove.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: I guess he did it.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: The replay showed it.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: But, I mean, at six, seven points to no points, unbelievable change of events.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was huge.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they did not score after that.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Then he's Barham, who I saw play at Michigan.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's really a violent player.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: He comes in and he knocks Love down.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so what?
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: He hits Watson in the middle for 28.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Go home, you know.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: He throws that perfect 43-yard bomb to goal and dropped.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Third and five on the zone read keeper against Rashawn Gary, who bites awful on the thing.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: Gain of 14.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: They might have known what was going on there with Rashawn Gary and his tendencies.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Good point.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: A little bit.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's been on that stuff for years in Green Bay, hasn't he?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Good point, Tyler.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's like a magnetic pull to the center toward the middle.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: That fourth and eight against the Chicago Bears in the playoffs.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you going, Rashawn?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Hold the edge.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Rashawn, okay, I got to look this up.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: Rashawn's test score was nine.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now, all right, so that's the Gary.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Then those Deadly rainbow throws.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: He puts so much height on an arc on those long bombs.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Three drop touchdowns.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, come on.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Passer rating could be 140.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Third and six, he scrambles around beautifully and finds golden for 21.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: I
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: mean, you know, poor Christian Parker, the ex-LeFleur assistant.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: What are you going to do, you know?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Scores a touchdown on a sneak.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they got no ground game, really, so he does it himself.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Second half, fourth and three.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Third in the progression, he finds Kraft over at the sideline, gain of 14.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: He got knocked down on that throw, too.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: Then he scrambles, Watson drops the 26-yard touchdown, perfect throw.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then he had another pick, but...
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Mr. Duran Bland was rule out of bounds, no pick.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So that's it for the offense, Tyler.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: The Watson drop touchdown, I guess it was deflected a little bit.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: Do you give him any grace there?
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: He hit his hands.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: He should catch it, right?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: if I was on the beat, Tyler,
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'd talk to a coach or two,
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: and I'd talk to Watson and one of his teammates and just get to the bottom of it.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: It means either a drop or it's not.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's the way I kept it.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: There was no halves or anything.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't know.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: You got to talk to guys, look them in the eye, see if they're lying to you, you know.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's a tough call.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: Love's feel for pressure was evident in this game too.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: It seemed like he knew where rushers were coming,
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: from what angles, how to move up, back, side to side.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's encouraging.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: If you're Green Bay,
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't know, I guess it's a question every week that I'll pose to you, Bob.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Left to right, offensive line, what do you do?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Kevin Zeitler's there, waiting.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Zeitler's a former line who's, you know, played in noisy venues at the Ford Field.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: But you're winning with this crew.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: Do you screw
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: it up?
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: I would stay the way they are.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now, they might not.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: What's the word, Tyler?
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Nowadays, he's ramping up.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's ramping up in a ramp-up period of sorts.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I'd go the way they are, and if Glover struggles, get him out of there.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: The running game issues, is that more an indictment of the running backs or the offensive line?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: 75% back, 25% line.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's telling.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have a back who can create.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, these guys are just guys.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: We talk about it in the chat all last season with Jacobs and Kraft.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: Those were the two players that would just say,
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: F this bleep, I'm taking the game over right now.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: How many runs did Jacobs have where he's got bodies hanging on him,
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: limbs hanging on him,
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: behind the line of scrimmage, and he's still getting four or five?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's breaking three, four tackles, and it's a big game.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's mostly.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: I tell you, I like Pierre Strong, though.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think he has a role in this offense.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Those are some big plays out of the backfield.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's got more juice than Marshawn Lloyd and Caleb Johnson.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: You don't think so?
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Lloyd can run too, Tyler, if we ever get a chance to see it.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Lloyd ran 4.45, Strong ran 4.39.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's two years, he's got two more wear and tear on him, Strong does.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Strong's three inches taller, but Lloyd's about 20 pounds heavier.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: Lloyd, they both have terrible test scores.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: So past pros, it's kind of an adventure.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Does it, I mean, do you have the flashbacks to 1998?
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: This reminds me of that season for Green Bay when Dorsey Levins went down
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: and it was week to week.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Just trying to get, manufacture anything out of the ground game, right?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Brett Favre is fresh off his three straight MVPs.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: You've got the ascendant Minnesota Vikings.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: They ended the Lambeau streak on a soggy Monday night game there at Lambeau.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: How many games in a row did Green Bay win at home?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: God, I forget what it was.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: It lasted a few seasons.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: But anyways, Green Bay's trying to get a running game going.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: One week, it'd be...
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Raymond Harris, didn't they get him from Chicago?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: Travis Jervie,
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: Derek Holmes,
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: Bill's legend, Derek Holmes, had his...
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Derek led that club in rushing, I believe.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: Did he?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: 98, auntie.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Derek led the club with 386.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: The pack averaged 3.4 per carry.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Levin's...
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: So that reminds me of the year Michael Haddix led the club in rushing.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: How about that, Tyler?
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's under Forrest Gregg in like 88?
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Where's Haddix?
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, more like 89 or 90.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: In 90, Michael led the club with 311.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: And a 3.2 average.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: His long for the year, 13-yard carry.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Hanks was a great guy.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: He was.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Former Eagle number one pick.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: So as you know, in my younger days in Western New York, I grew up a Packer fan.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that year, I can remember Champion Outlet.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: Remember the Champion Outlets?
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Did you have those in Wisconsin?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it felt like Christmas.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you didn't have them?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: I wish they did.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Jamestown, New York.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: And whenever dad took us to champion, it was like you could get jerseys for six bucks.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: And some of them would have paint splotches on them or a name misspelled or
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: the numbers were wrong or they were reversible.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: But they had a lot of blank jerseys.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, how old was I that year?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I was 10, 11 years old.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I can remember getting a blank Packer jersey and then going to Eminem Sports
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: in Salome, New York, and having Jervie 32.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: I had a,
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: and I only,
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: I remember this because my mom was going
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: through some old pictures back home this week.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, Hey Ty, do you remember this?
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it was, uh, The Travis Jervie jersey.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: I thought Jervie was the answer, man.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think he had a great game against San Francisco that year.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: He busted out like this.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Look at the pop.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: This guy's got it.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't like him and LaShawn Johnson have like a pet tiger or something?
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Does that ring a bell?
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: A pet something or a tiger?
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: A tiger is something exotic.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're right.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: What year on Jervie?
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was there in 96 when they won it.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: He was the Citadel.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: That was the year that he actually got his shot for a hot minute.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: He had 106 yards rushing.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then the next year he didn't even carry.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, he shot.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 325 yards in 98.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: And let me see.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when they beat San Francisco, 36-22 in the regular season.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: They lost him in the playoffs, obviously.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there he is.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: 95 and a touch that game for old Travis.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: Did he make the Pro Bowl special teamer?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: As a special teamer, yeah.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was a special team.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe Sean McVay can give him a ring.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: He could use a little special team's help.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: What college was Jervie from?
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: The Citadel.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: Citadel?
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: Citadel?
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot that.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: So Ron Wolfe drafted Travis.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: But anyways,
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: I guess my point,
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: the reason I kind of meandered into no man's land there,
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: talking about Travis Jervie and Pet Tigers,
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: they got Dorsey Levins back late that season.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: And you're covering the team day to day.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: I got to think their confidence was pretty high going into the postseason.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: to get their running back back fresh into that wild card game at San Francisco,
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: which they lost, obviously, on the last play or close to the last play.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: T.O., the catch two, all of that.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just remember, like, Dorsey Levin's coming back.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, now we have a run game.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is going to open up a lot of stuff.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: They're just dying for Josh Jacobs to get back.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we could spend a lot of time discussing That case,
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: that situation, what's sealed, what's not sealed.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: When it comes to the football, the football player, what he could give this team.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: If 75% of the run game struggles are on the backs,
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: as Bob put, and nobody's watching film closer than D-Bob McGinn, that would be huge.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Tyler, should we go to the D?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, um.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: All right,
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: so we're going to be talking about Dennis Allen for the Bears next,
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: and now we're talking about Jonathan Gannon.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: This seven-man double-A gap stuff and seven people masked at the line,
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: and sometimes, you know, it's zero blitz.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you're sending four or five dropping.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Are they all patterning themselves after Flores in Minnesota?
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Mike Zimmer before him did that.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: And others have done it too, you know.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I see these three teams in the North and they're hard to differentiate.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's so funny you bring that up.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: I was wondering the same exact thing.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know,
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: Blake Cashman,
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: Eric Wilson, we've talked about Brian Flores a ton for those stories that go along.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember asking Eric,
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: Over the summer about Flores' ability to just invent stuff
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: and create different looks and different pressure packages because,
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: as Blake Cashman put,
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: we probably have talked about it,
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: like some of their,
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: one of their blitzes they were implementing in one practice,
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: Blake Cashman was like, what in the hell, what are we doing?
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: This player is wide open on this side of the field.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: And Flores told him,
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't give a shit because the quarterback's eyes are going to be over there
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: because we're going to be in his face.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: But what Eric Wilson said is Flores loves copying other teams, other coordinators.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's constantly taking other people's stuff and implementing it into this scheme.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not sure where – but you're right.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're popularizing it.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're the ones wreaking havoc.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler Shuck can hardly breathe in their last game for New Orleans.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, the Vikings are setting the standard.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's got to be so tough as a quarterback,
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: if you're Jordan Love,
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: Jared Goff,
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: Caleb Williams, to be up at the line and to see everybody at the line of scrimmage.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't know who's blitzing, who's dropping.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: They wait until the last split second.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: The offensive line's got to figure out who has who.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's tough.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you know what you're doing and you've got answers, it could be a big play.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: But it's a play-to-play deal.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got to have smart inside backers to do this.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: Franklin's played a long time.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is his ninth year.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's a smart player.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: You can see that.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: He scored 18 on the test.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: Then you got McDuffie, who's a 15, and he's played, this is his sixth year.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then you got Tyrone Hopper, who's got a low score, 11.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: And they lost Edger and Cooper, who wasn't 11.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: So Eric Wilson's a 23.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: And Cashman, I think he was 27.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look it up.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: And you got Harrison Smith.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: Cashman is a 24, Eric Wilson 23.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, it's been effective, and it unnerved Dak Prescott.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: He got pounded around.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, their offensive line, pretty good, Tyler.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: Those are veteran guys.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's a pretty damn good offensive line.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's a really good quarterback with terrific wideouts, and they just were stymied.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so let's look at the front.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: So they lose Hargrave to a torn Achilles late in the Bear game.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying that's a blessing,
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm saying he's a target whenever he was on the field for teams to run at.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think that's a blow at all.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: They lose Jonathan Ford, their biggest guy, 340, 350, whatever he is.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: The Cowboys,
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: with a good back and Javante Williams,
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: they could not exploit the interior of that defensive front to their credit.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Jordan Riley, another massive man, remains on,
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think, IR designated for return.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: He could come back.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's another massive guy.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Brinson hasn't played a snap this season.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: He could come back.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what he's got.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: So who are they playing with?
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: They played with Wyatt, 46.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: Carl Brooks, 47.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: Campbell, the street free agent, 32.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: And McClellan, the rookie third round picks, 40 snaps.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: So they played four people inside.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Wyatt, he didn't make a play.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: He had a neutral zone penalty.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say he's off to a slow start.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: Carl Brooks, a lot more active.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: He had a tackle for loss against the right tackle, Terrence Steele.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: He had a knockdown against the center, Cooper Beebe, but he got roughing the passer penalty.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: Campbell and McCoy, they were just holding the fort, man.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't really make plays.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: I thought Kenny Clark played really well against his former team.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: But Green Bay, Dallas...
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Williams, 11 for 41.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't hurt anybody.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: Goodson, two for zero.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's go to the outside.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Van Ness, 43, Cox, 39, Dennis Sutton, 36, and Sorrell, 40.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: So they're playing four guys equally, really.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: And Mosby just had a couple snaps.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's start with Van Ness.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: interesting,
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: the first play of the game, they were in a four-man, four-down lineman front.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: He played defensive tackle in that thing.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: They had two other edges, and him at DT, they ran Williams right at him for eight.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_01: That was his longest run of the day in 10, 11 carries.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: He had a neutral zone penalty.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: He had a flush against the big left tackle, Tyler Gartens.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: He had another flush against Guyton.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: He had a roughing the passer penalty,
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: nullified the interception by Carrington Valentine,
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: and he had a sack against Guyton in 4.0.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to Brenton Cox.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: He blew a sack when he beat the tight end span forward.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth and five,
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: he dropped in zone,
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: out of that seven-man front,
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: and they hit the Flournoy in his area, the little slot gain of 11.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: He had half a flush later, and he had another flush, got a holding penalty on Steele.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty impressive game for Cox.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe his best moments of the year as a pure rusher.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: Dennis Sutton.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: He got a flush on an inside on a stunt against Steele and he whiffed on
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: a sack himself just like Cox did previously.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: He had a taunting penalty.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not really sure what it was for.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: He had a knockdown against Guyton and the tight end.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was a very nice play against double team.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: And he had half a flush later.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to Sorrell.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: He had a tackle for loss.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: He beat Steele inside.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: He had a hurry against the tight end Ferguson.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a knockdown on a stunt against the right guard,
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: Tyler Booker, the former first round pick.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_01: So all in all, I think those four guys did pretty well.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: Vaness, I mean Sutton, Sorrell, Cox.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_01: When you add Parsons to that mix, they might really have something.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to the linebackers.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: So they don't have Cooper, so they start McDuffie 43 and
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: Franklin played all 78. Who plays Thursday night?
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: Green Bay does, right?
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was Thursday night.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: They play Thursday next week.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: They've got Carolina.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: This week, it's Bears-Patriots.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right, McDuffie played 43, and they're getting him out of there, and they're splitting time.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: Hopper played 33.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: So McDuffie, third and four.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's in the flat, ball thrown to Javante Williams.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: He made really good man coverage, tackle for no gain, they punted.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a third and two, he was unblocked, hurried, good play.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: Franklin, he had kind of a quiet day, you know, the ex-Colt.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: He had a knockdown, he was unblocked, and that's when he hurt Dak.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: With the rib, and on the next play, Dak threw the pick.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: It had residual benefits there.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was a hell of a hit.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: Fair, no cheap at all, no penalty.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_01: Do you believe that, Tyler?
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: No penalty for roughing the passer.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I love the college game right now.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: You can hit QBs, you know?
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: And if you hit quarterbacks like you just said, there's a – A residual effect.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_00: The quarterback is thinking about it.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it's going to lead to something the next play or the next series or the next quarter.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, he's two steps late to the sideline on another.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it was a run.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was a pass.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's not going to.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: Give you great range.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: Inside backers, that's what Cooper gave you was range.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: Franklin gives you a brain and toughness, but he doesn't give you range.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he kind of reminds me in a way of Hardy Nickerson.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I looked up his season.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: He was a five-time pro bowler in Tampa Bay.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: He played one year here at the age of 37.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: That was an 0-2.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: I looked at my final grades on the guy, forgot Hardy.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: He played one year and then he retired.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: I gave him a D as in dog.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: I said he offered more presence than Bernardo Harris in the middle and maybe was
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: a little better in coverage.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: But Harris's big edge against the interior run made him the better choice.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: At least Nickerson didn't get hurt.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: I said he's too old, too slow, too small and too soft.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: He was the number one reason why the Packers allowed their most yards per carry,
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: 4.84, in 46 years.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to tell it the way it is.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: And send Hardy off to retirement.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: So Franklin's better than Hardy Nickerson.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_01: Franklin's got only one Pro Bowl, though, so he might hit a wall at some point.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: The Packers version.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, these – I'm thinking of Hardy Nickerson in his Buccaneers days
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: and – Much different Hardy Nickerson then.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: So in 02, Tyler, how old were you?
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: Been 15.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: Was that like the Joe Johnson, Hardy Nickerson?
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: Mike Sherman did a handful of a bunch of signings.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: Who else am I forgetting?
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: There was another signing in there.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_00: That'll come to me.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: So that would have been Sherman's third year in 02.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: They had a good team.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: And what did they do in the playoffs?
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's not the ego.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: Mike Vick?
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, in Green Bay, yeah, okay.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that was the Vick year.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: Terry Glenn, that's who I was thinking of.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: They signed Terry Glenn in free agency.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he was a quiet dude.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: You couldn't get a word out of that guy, man.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the linebackers.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you've got McDuffie 4'6",
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_01: flat coming out and Franklin 4'6", flat two coming out, you lack range.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I think they're playing Hopper.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: He gives you some of that Cooper explosiveness and speed.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_01: The Hopper ran 4'7", one, but now he's a lot faster than that, the way he plays.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: So what about Hopper?
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_01: 33 snaps.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he could be a key factor this season.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: Is he ready to go in year three?
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_01: He's a third-round pick from Missouri, you know.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right, he missed the tackle on span four, the big tight end in the flat, guy gained six.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: Third and 20, he makes a bonehead play.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just stay away from that receiver.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's short, the tight end on a short stick or something.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: Illegal contact, first down Dallas.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: Bad mistake.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: And he broke up a pass against a tight end, nice play.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so now let's go to the secondary.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Nixon played all 78.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they had three guys play all 78, Williams, McKinney, Nixon.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nixon, I mean, he played good.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's up against Lamb and Pickens.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_01: Pickens didn't pee a drop and Lamb was under control.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Nixon played good.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: Third and four, they hit Flournoy in man coverage, gain of seven, fine.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: Third and six, they hit Pickens on an end for seven, fine.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: Third and five, he made a nice stop on Lamb on a bubble, no gain.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's playing good.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: Cisse on the other side got hurt late.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he had that pick when Lamb fell down.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: He caught the ball.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of guys will drop that pick.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth and two, Lamb beat him inside, bump and run, gain of 17.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then he got hurt.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: He got a stinger.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know his status.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that brought in Valentine, who made a great pick on that first snap.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then he lost it with Van Ass.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: I thought Valentine looked pretty good.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's a pretty solid number three corner.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then Bullard.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is it Bullard or Bullard, Tyler?
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: Bullard.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: Bullard.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's the slot.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_01: Third and three, man covers, overroute to Lamb, gain of 16.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Lamb's going to beat everybody in the league.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth and two, he broke up a ball to Lamb, was a hell of a play.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: He got a holding penalty from Javante Williams on a blitz.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_01: Bullard comes in and he brings it, man.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then he gave up a touchdown pass to Flournoy late, gain of six.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_01: The safeties, McKinney, I have no problem with anything he did in the run game here or hitting.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: He got a knockdown unblocked on a seven man pressure and he had good close on
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: a bubble screen gain of one.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, with all this pressure and Dak couldn't really challenge downfield all night.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_01: So the safety were sitting back on that two shell as much as they could.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_01: Or if they're bringing seven, they're in a four across man look, but he's fine.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then Williams, I mean, it was a hell of a pick.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: Up in the Harrison Smith position.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's on the line.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: He bails out from the line of scrimmage.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: Great disguise by him and Jonathan Gannon.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_01: And he gets that pick at the three-yard line.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that eventually set up a touchdown, too.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: He had a knockdown when he was unblocked.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_01: And he had another one when he got nailed for roughing the passer.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: That takes care of that.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the special teams.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, Smack bounced back.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_01: He hit from 25, 44, and 29.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: His kickoffs,
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: four of the six were either on the numbers or outside,
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: and I think that's the desired location for most NFL teams.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: Whalen, you know, his first punt was terrible, and it set up a touchdown.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: That was 3-5-9 on the hang.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: His other two were good.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_01: Sky Moore's got some kind of injury.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's on injured reserve, so they're playing good.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_01: Who is this guy?
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_01: Christian Owen?
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know the player.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he's not on the 53.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was a game day activation.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: He had a punt return for 16.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sturdivant averaged 25-5 on two kickoffs, replacing Sky.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's it for the pack.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're 4-2, Ty.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_00: Defensively,
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Gannon versus Jeff Halfley.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting, you know, watching their press conferences, they couldn't be more different.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like Jeff Halfley just has such a command of the room and he's telling stories
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_00: and he's thinking big and he's bringing you in his world.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: And you can see how he would just absolutely ace a job interview.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that does mean something.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's regarded as, I've talked to players, they love his leadership style.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Gannon's up there.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't give you a hell of a lot.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's very curt, very to the point, in and out.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then you watch their defenses and very different.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_00: I want your opinion on this,
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: but it just seemed like Halfley, bend but don't break, keep it in front of you.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: They had to weather some awful injuries, obviously, late last year, and he may do.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like Jonathan Gannon's scheme is more complex,
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_00: more unpredictability, some more pressure, more simulated pressure.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's early, but six games, that's a decent amount to chew on here.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_00: Upgrade or downgrade?
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: I've never seen those pressers, Tyler, so I don't know what you're referring to there.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like what Gannon's done.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I definitely like it.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's aggressive.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_01: Where do they rank in takeaways?
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Green Bay is plus four in turnover diff, tied for fifth.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: Takeaways, he's tied for first in the league with 11.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: Seattle also has 11th.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: So he's tied with Mike McDonald out there.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's a hell of a start.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know much about Gannon at Arizona.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like what I've seen.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, again, we're going to learn a lot now.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_00: You just faced CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens and Dak Prescott
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_00: and some explosiveness,
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: though, so that it That was the first real test, if you think about it.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Carson Wentz and Jalen Daniels and Tyson Bagent.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's been not exactly murderer's row encouraging.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_00: It just seemed like they were playing hard.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how you quantify that with a metric,
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_00: but man,
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_00: they were finishing hits, finishing plays, swarming in a way that we haven't seen.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_00: In a while.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that's Micah Parsons' play style.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_00: So he'll be a welcomed addition.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know who kind of the ringleader is?
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Is this Bullard guy that you went down to Midnight Train to Georgia.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_00: Milledgeville, Georgia.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_01: And he's kind of a,
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: to use a word that's being used in political circles, a firebrand for the defense.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: He is.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Is he Tyler when you talk to him?
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: He does not give a you-know-what.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_00: He wants to throw his body into harm's way in every conceivable way.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_00: And for those who missed it,
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_00: check out the story on Javon Bullard,
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_00: Killer Instinct,
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_00: wrote it in March,
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: and you'll understand where he comes from in Milledgeville,
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_00: what he has witnessed in his hometown.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what he did in college.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not getting Marvin Harrison Jr. out of that game.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's just kind of embracing him.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Being the villain.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, make me the villain.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't give a shit.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'll lean into it.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be that player.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_00: And he'll toe that line.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_00: So they've needed
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: that a long
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_00: time.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: How many crazy hitting safeties have they had?
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to name one early.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Kenny Stills.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: My man, Kenny.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_00: I can remember interviewing Kenny Stills for a story about his son back
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_00: in those journal Sentinel days when he was coming in.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's not – I mean,
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_00: back on those teams that we covered,
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Morgan Burnett was a solid safety, but he wasn't taking anybody out.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Mr. Charlie Chuck Cecil.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Chuck Cecil, yeah.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_00: How long would he last in today's NFL?
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Five minutes.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: He'd be late for the door like Bob Seger once said.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: He'd be out of there.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they tried,
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I guess, ha-ha Clinton Dix, you know, first round pick, had a few moments, but.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Leroy and Pete Robinson were the best pair.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, obviously.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Best, yeah, but crazy people.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Jerron McMillan, I think they saw a little crazy in there.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_00: They liked his test numbers and everything, but he didn't really last that long.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the thing.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I've defended Brian Gutekinds on this pod.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's taken more of those risks that his predecessor did not.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's a crazy game.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_00: You need some crazy temperaments out there.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_00: Can Bullard cover?
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Not bad, Tyler.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's not going to go play outside and man cover somebody, but he's been okay from the slot.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're going to talk about Kyler Gordon,
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: but before Long, I mean,
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Gannon might just start turning him loose from that slot,
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: you know, and he comes in there with malice in his heart.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's what turned the wild card when Dennis Allen did that with Those corners,
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: it seemed, and you're going to get into how they closed out that one over Atlanta.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you can time it up, right,
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_00: it's about the timing and the unpredictability and not giving the quarterback
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: that one, two seconds to audible adjust and beat it.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to Bears, Falcons down at Atlanta.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Tyler, every time I see a game in Atlanta, all those seats are red, right?
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's never anybody in those seats.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: What is it?
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much to do there, and it's just this great place, and people just don't show.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like L.A.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_01: They don't care, I don't think.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: They're into the SEC, and they're all hungover after the SEC Saturdays.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_01: They don't care about their Falcons.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's true, though.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when they're good, they come alive, like most fan bases.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when they went to the Super Bowl in 2016, I was at Bleach Report.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: I spent a lot of time around the Falcons.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_00: I remember interviewing Jermaine Dupree for a story.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Does that name Margot Bell
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: at all?
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Jermaine who?
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Dupree.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_01: How do you spell it?
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_00: D-U-P-R-I.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's a rapper.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Famous track.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Atlanta.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_00: But they came alive.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, the city was, like, if they're good and they're a Super Bowl contender, I suppose.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_00: But other, yeah, if they're middling, it's SEC country.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's tough.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, you're battling the Georgia Bulldogs just, what, an hour, hour and a half away.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_00: But This should have been a game where I know we're going to get into
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_00: the Bears' point of view on this matchup.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand Atlanta just not handing the ball off to Bajon Robinson
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: as this game was getting away.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_00: You saw it on that early run.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: He is just on a different level.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: If you're turning this into a Michael Penix throwing the ball 30-40 plus times,
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Probably going to lose.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_00: They needed to play on their terms at home,
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_00: get that crowd behind you, which they will when you give them reason to.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: And they couldn't.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_00: From the jump, early, that first drive, Caleb Williams had a dropped interception.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: When Atlanta dropped that pick, I believe there was a flag on that play.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_00: A flag on Chicago.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_00: A hold, maybe.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_00: So Atlanta would have declined that, gotten the ball.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, then you have a muff a few drives later.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: They shot themselves in the foot continuously.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_00: They kind of mounted a little bit of a rally late to give themselves a chance.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_00: But Atlanta's only chance this year is if they get John Robinson rolling early
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_00: and not drop interceptions.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you do that against Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_00: This Bears offense now at full strength.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Sayonara.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_00: Sayonara.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_01: So the Packers defeat the Cowboys, who were 2-3, now they're 2-4.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they're one of the favorites in the NFC East right now.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_01: And Atlanta came in 2-3.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're 2-4 against the Bears.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_01: They got as good a shot as anybody to win that crummy NFC South.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they both got disposed of by the North clubs.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the big bad North, huh, Tyler?
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa, what a division.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: What are they, 16-6?
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_01: 16-6.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_01: So the Lions, they haven't even played a division game yet, you know.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's go to the Bears.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Great start.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Williams missed three games.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_01: this team's been terrible in the red zone and they convert four out
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_01: of five red zone trips.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: The game was marred by Scott Novak's officiating crew.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how many penalties.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Let me work it out.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: 12 for 133 for one team and four for 31.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there was more in the Packer game.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Just crazed.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the receivers.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Odunze, 74.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Burden only played 30 and I don't know why.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Cleef Raymond, 36.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_01: That little Thomas guy, 10.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that's it.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Rome, he's pretty good coming across the middle, Tyler, with that big frame.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: He extends for a great pass.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_01: He's up in here.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_01: He extends, hands catch, balls thrown hard.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_01: That was against Mike Hughes, gain of 23.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then he had a 22-yard reception loss on a holding penalty.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_01: He had a huge yak effort on that play.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Burden,
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: every game, once or twice, he's going to make things happen after the catch.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_01: He made Mike Hughes miss on the sideline stop route,
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: gain an extra eight on a play that ruptured into 25.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then they flooded a zone.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_01: He caught another ball on the sideline, a gain of 25.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Burden's more of a sideline receiver,
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_01: but no, not exclusively.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a, no, it's not a tell.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Raymond, he's had a hell of a year.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_01: He ran a shallow cross, made Mike Hughes miss, gained a 13.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_01: And Thomas made a nice hands catch on a fastball from
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Williams for a gain of 14.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look at Zavin Thomas.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's a third-round pick this year, 5'10.5", 192.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: The guy ran 4'2".6".
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_01: 36 on the bird.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's got really small nine inch hands, arms 30 and a half.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay for his height.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_01: So he's been there fourth wide out and Jotty Walker.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's four.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Thomas has been at four, eight, four B Walker got thrown out for something on special teams.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now the tight ends Loveland played 68 out of 77.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_01: So the bears play Thursday night.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: So this heat, Their offense could be tired when they host New England.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_01: Loveland, 68.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Komet, 57.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Roush, 24.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_01: So let's start with Komet.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now, he doesn't really get the ball much.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's got seven catches in six games.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's just an afterthought.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: They got all these other weapons.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_01: He is a hell of an afterthought, though.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's a really good tight end.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_01: He had one and a half bad runs, but he can block.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think his blocking has been quite as consistent this year.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's a good player.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then Roush, the rookie, I think he's a third round pick, if I remember.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: He had a false start.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, he's generally a blocker.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go to the offensive line left to right.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: So they start Benedette,
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: who plays 60 at left tackle,
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_01: and then Ozzy Trapilo,
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_01: who got hurt in the playoff game last year with that torn patellar tendon.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ozzy's a second-round pick in 25.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's 6'8", 319.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Ozzy comes in and plays 17 snaps as he's ramping up.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Benedette.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Can we change our podcast to ramping up?
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Benedict gave up a flush early to Ekebaum.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_01: He got a holding penalty on the thing,
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_01: and he gave a flush to Cameron Thomas,
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_01: and he had half a bad run,
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_01: and he had another flush against,
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_01: man, that Ivy guy for Atlanta, number 51, Jared Ivy.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_01: God, he plays hard.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now Ozzie comes in and plays a little bit in the second quarter,
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_01: a little bit in the fourth.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: His first action in 10 months.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Now that guy looked really good down the stretch last year, man.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, all things considered, I think he's better than Benedict.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I think he's better than Braxton Jones, who's now on IR, I believe.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then Tripilo in the second half, he gives up a holding penalty to Ekobom.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then they took him out in the middle of the fourth.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where they are.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: This week against New England, I assume it'll be the same kind of rotation.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the left guard, Tooney.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of pulling in this game.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: And another thing,
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_01: he is so adept coming off knowing when to leave a double team when
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_01: the linebacker fires to his left or his right.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: He picks up that backer so adroitly.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_01: There was a running play, gained eight yards.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he just got, came off the double, got the backer.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's just textbook.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's doing pulling.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up half a sack against his former teammate, Jervon Dexter, on a stunt.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: TT stuck stunt inside, and he gave it up.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Bradbury.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Half a bad run on the linebacker at the second level, Divine Diablo.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Devine, yeah.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, then he got bulled back by Dexter on a knockdown.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_01: He had half a flush against Dexter.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_01: He was on the ground pretty much in this game.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he gave up half a sack against Dorlis on a stunt, TT inside, same one that got Tooney.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_01: That Doros, man, I remember the Packer game.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_01: That Brandon Doros plays hard, too.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, the right guard is Jackson.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_01: He played 50 snaps before going out with a hip injury.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know his status for Thursday night, but that's a big question mark.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_01: He played fine.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's a hell of a player.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: They came in with Mr. Newman, a sixth-round pick in 25 from Michigan State.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_01: They have not had many players there.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_01: But this guy, he played 27 snaps for Jackson.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_01: He had a fine block on the three-yard touchdown by Roshon Johnson.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_01: He had half a bad run, and he had a bad run on a draw play.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he was an aggressive drive blocker in this game and his pass pro was fine.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's six, three and a half, 3.08, ran 5.09.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Don't have a test score.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_01: His arms are short, 31.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Hands are small, nine and a quarter.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_01: So he might be in there against kind of a rugged New England front that bears watching.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then the right tackle, Darnell Wright.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he dominates on this bubble screen.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_01: He goes out there and he hammers the safety.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Sidney Brown was acquired from the Eagles.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And he just dominates the hell out of the guy and gets called for holding.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can't block too good, can you, Tyler?
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Or you're going to get zapped.
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the old adage is true.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_00: You could call holding just about every play.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's such a cherry-picked crew-to-crew judgment call.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's been that way forever.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_00: So just let him play.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just let him know that.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't he the guy on this one?
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Know that?
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we didn't write, he gave up, oh, all right.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Then he had a bad run against Ivy,
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_01: a hurry to Dorlis, and he gave up a sack on an upfield charge by Dorlis in 3.7.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Wright's, he can be compared to Panay Sewell.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_01: They both have their off plays.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when it was Chad Clifton or Ken Rutgers or Tauscher,
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_01: the great tackles I covered, maybe not great, but really good, Brian Balaga.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be on those guys if they had a letdown and gave up a sack, you know, a flat outright sack.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_01: These guys are so good and they're getting paid so much money, they just can't have any letdown.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_01: You let the other guys who are making minimum or something have the letdowns,
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: you can't have it from these studs.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's the line.
• 1:27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's go to the running backs.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_01: So Monungay misses his second or third straight game, second straight game.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Swift, 45, Roshon Johnson, 31.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_01: They did not.
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_01: So they only had two backs active in this game.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they had another guy brought up.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Xavier Scott was three, the ex-Viking.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Swift.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Third and goal, man.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Ben Johnson runs up the gut.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Do you believe that?
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Huge hole, head down, four-yard touchdown.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Ben's a crafty dude, man.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_01: Swift, you know, I keep saying he's not a bouncer.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_01: He stays inside, but he can't be typecast.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's going off left tackle.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_01: And he makes a subtle move and he freezes the safety Watts, bounces outside, gains 14.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_01: He can do that stuff too.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_01: And a one yard touchdown runner, right tackle, nice surge.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Roshon Johnson, we haven't seen him.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_01: He hardly played last year.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Saw him a couple of years ago when the offense was bad.
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_01: He had, how many touches?
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_01: 15 touches for 85 yards.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_01: He, let's review it.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's sixth, fourth round pick in 23.
• 1:28:51
  SPEAKER_01: This is his fourth year.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's six foot, 222, ran 455, 17 on the test.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_01: So in this game, he was involved in that hook and ladder with a Dunzig, play gained 14.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Runs a quick,
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_01: quick ball route in the flat,
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_01: just a diagonal third and six against Ekebaum, gain of 14.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Second effort on the first touchdown.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he lost a fumble in the mid fourth quarter.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Swift has been their fumbler.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Bates, the safety, punched that thing out and it led to a Falcon touchdown and their comeback.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now Caleb Williams.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_01: So he misses three games with the hammy.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_01: He starts out 12 for 12 for 142.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_01: First play of the game, he runs a naked boot to the left.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Hits Loveland for 16.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Good call by the play caller over there.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_01: He gets flushed.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_01: He threw that ball up for grabs that you're talking about and Watts picks it off.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_01: He dropped the interception.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Should have had it.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_01: All right, in the red zone, Caleb takes a delay penalty.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's on him.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_01: He steps through the rush,
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_01: extends the play,
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_01: makes a very risky throw on the run to the right to Loveland for
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_01: a touchdown 14 yards.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_01: I guess if you got this guy in the field,
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_01: you got to hold your breath sometimes and he's going to make plays.
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's done it his whole life and he's going to make some bonehead plays.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_01: He fumbled on the shotgun snap, recovered it himself.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_01: He drills a Dunne on a dig, gain a 23.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Now the second half, he's throwing the ball away smartly, Tyler.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about it last year, what he didn't do as a rookie.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_01: He had like three of them.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Of his six incompletes, he had three of these.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_01: He audibles, you can see him.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's audibling to cover weaknesses.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_01: He hits burden in the flat on one of those.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_01: First off coverage, gain a nine.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Two sacks he took in the second half, which again fueled this Falcon coverage.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_01: One was in 6.0 and the next one was in 5.9.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot have that stuff going on.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_01: And third and six, he got an offsides penalty with his cadence on the Falcons.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then he ran a quarterback sneak on third and one for two.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's back.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's solid.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's playing New England.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that's it for the offense, Tyler.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Ben Johnson's been speaking about the completion percentage since day one.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he's got to be pretty pleased with that.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_00: Three of those are throwaways.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_00: That accuracy would be pinpoint a lot of short to intermediate stuff
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_00: because you know you've got the big play capabilities.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it just looked like it was seven-on-seven playground stuff.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Easy.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Everything was so easy for the Chicago offense until Atlanta kind of woke up and made it a game.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Looking forward to this one Thursday night.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Should be a good one.
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Dennis Allen, he had the number one coming in, the number one third down defense.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they don't have their down defense Two-Edge Rushers.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, wait a minute.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Atlanta's down two.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_01: The Bears are down two-Edge Rushers.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right, Montez Sweat.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: The Suspended Sweat.
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_01: The Suspension.
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_01: And
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_01: who's the other rusher?
• 1:33:03
  SPEAKER_01: I can't think.
• 1:33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Turner, second year, Austin Booker in there.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Booker is a starter.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, forget it.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they're down one linebacker, TJ Edwards, and one safety, Colby Bryant out for the year.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_01: But they really played their butts off in this game.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_01: All right, up front, Grady Jarrett played 39.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Street played only 17.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Turner played seven coming back from injury.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_01: And Lynch played, I think, a season high 37.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_01: And Vandenberg played eight.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Gallimore 13.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_01: So they got a wide rotation there.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Grady Jarrett, the old man.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Has played the most snaps.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Played pretty good, Tyler.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_01: He had a hurry against the center, Nuzal.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_01: A hurry against the left guard, Bergeron.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Got a holding penalty against Bergeron.
• 1:34:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's a threat.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_01: He hasn't worn down yet.
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_01: They've got to have him, and he has come through.
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's having a nice year.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Lynch, who hasn't done much previously, he's just been a power guy.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_01: He had a batted ball on fourth and five, and he had a hurry against Bergeron.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_01: He looked all right.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Vandenberg, that guy from Georgia Tech, it's getting better.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's not playing much, but he's got some strength and he's got some hustle.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Street only played 17, so he'll be fresh for Thursday night.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Minus five, he smelled a lot of screen, tackled the guy.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's kind of a penetrating player.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like you said about Bijan, You would think they could pound the heck out of this front.
• 1:34:48
  SPEAKER_01: You've got a small backer behind in Bush.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_01: You've got another backup backer.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have Edwards there, so you're playing Jackson, another small inside backer.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Run the stupid ball, and instead you give him nine carries.
• 1:35:02
  SPEAKER_01: The guy gets 61.
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Average is 6'8".
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Tyler, malfeasance on the part of Tommy Reese.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Kevin Stefanski.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't make much sense.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_00: Now they didn't have the ball.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Plus you're keeping the Bears off the field.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_00: You think they'd want these long drives.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_01: His time of possession was horrible, but that's their own fault.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: The edge guy.
• 1:35:30
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't have sweat.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_01: You got Booker.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_01: He had one hurry.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_01: He gives effort.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I like him.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_01: The interesting thing now was Hardy, who played 34 snaps.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Daniel Hardy has been a special teams daredevil since he made the club in.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's been here five years.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_01: He was a seventh round pick in 22.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Five years.
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can't say I've ever seen him as much as this.
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was a wild, reckless hitter on teams.
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_01: And when he did play a little bit late in games, yeah, he's a big hustler, man.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look at him.
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's a shade under 6'2".
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_01: He weighed 235 coming out.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_01: He ran 469.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_01: He had a 40-inch vert.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's got long arms, 32 and a half, 33 and a half.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_01: He's a JC player in college.
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_01: So Hardy played.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_01: He looked pretty good, Tyler.
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_01: He really helped him.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is Daniel Hardy.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_01: He played left end and third and long.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_01: He got a hurry, an effort hurry right away.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's Sweat's position.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_01: He got a sack on a stunt against the right tackle, Jawan Taylor, 3.0.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he had a hurry up the field against Taylor.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_01: That was encouraging for the Bears.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Chroma, a guy I hadn't seen, second year free agent, he played 14 snaps.
• 1:37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess that's the edges.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was Booker and Hardy primarily.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_01: And, oh, the guy on the injured reserve is the lost, Odin Dingbo, that was the guy.
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_01: And he's on IR, so they're thin on the edge.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Are they going to be looking to make a trade maybe?
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_01: They could.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think they need more personnel on that front seven on defense.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the linebackers.
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you got the two starters out.
• 1:37:42
  SPEAKER_01: And let's look at Sewell, who played the strong side.
• 1:37:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then inside you had Bush and Jackson.
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_01: So let's look at Sewell, Panay's brother.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he played a lot last year and then he got hurt maybe in November out for the year.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember the injury.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was a knee, maybe an Achilles.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Played the strong side when they had a 4-3 against base offense.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_01: He had a tackle for loss.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_01: He read a bubble screen wide.
• 1:38:12
  SPEAKER_01: He beat a block by Zacchaeus.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Nice play.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_01: He had a fine chase down of Drake London on that long play for 37.
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_01: He chased him down.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_01: He really gave great effort.
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_01: He always does that.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Then DeMarco Jackson, another small inside backer.
• 1:38:31
  SPEAKER_01: 24-yard run.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_01: He was a step slow getting out there.
• 1:38:34
  SPEAKER_01: He bumped...
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Jahan Dotson on a crosser, ball went incomplete.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_01: He showed pursuit on a screen on third and 15, chased down London, gained a 12.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think they had to punt, was a nice play.
• 1:38:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then Bush, he had to run stuff.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_01: He slipped a block and he had a fumble recovery at the end.
• 1:38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the secondary.
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_01: So Gannon makes his debut from this calf injury that really caused him
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_01: to miss almost two full seasons.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_01: He only played 17 snaps.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_01: The ramp up was minimal, but he had a fantastic game.
• 1:39:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've always liked Gordon.
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_01: He has played some outside, but from that slot, he's always been hell on wheels as a blitzer.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_01: What a game.
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_01: He comes in in the second quarter on third and four.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_01: Edge blitz beats Hooper, the tight end.
• 1:39:35
  SPEAKER_01: The play was for minus one.
• 1:39:38
  SPEAKER_01: He gets a sack.
• 1:39:39
  SPEAKER_01: He had three sacks.
• 1:39:40
  SPEAKER_01: The first one in 1.9 off the slot.
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_01: He was too quick for B. John Robinson.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_01: That was his man.
• 1:39:48
  SPEAKER_01: He gets a sack in 2.3 against tight end Charlie Warner, causes a fumble.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he gets a sack against the tackle Taylor in 2.3, caused a fumble.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_01: Another one,
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_01: he got a holding penalty on Bijan in the fourth quarter when it was kind
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_01: of crunch time.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_01: So he made five big plays off the edge in 17 snaps.
• 1:40:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's a threat.
• 1:40:17
  SPEAKER_01: All right, now they're not near as good elsewhere.
• 1:40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Gordon can really, really help their defense.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look at the guy.
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Gordon, let's remember his numbers.
• 1:40:31
  SPEAKER_01: He is a second round pick in 22.
• 1:40:34
  SPEAKER_01: He's 5'11 and a half, 198, ran 4'58.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's why people doubted that he could cover outside.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_01: They questioned it.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's 24 on the test.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's strong as hell.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_01: 20 on the bench.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Short, three cones, 6'67.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Short, subtle, 3'99.
• 1:40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Vert, 39 and a half.
• 1:40:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's got big numbers.
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_01: This guy, he can dip.
• 1:41:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's physical as hell.
• 1:41:03
  SPEAKER_01: He always has been.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's a great tackler.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right, on the outside, you got Jalen Johnson.
• 1:41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Played pretty good.
• 1:41:09
  SPEAKER_01: He got killed by London on a touchdown.
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_01: The ball was overthrown.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Should have been a touchdown, 47.
• 1:41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Holding penalty against London.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth and three, broke up a sideline ball to London.
• 1:41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hell of a play.
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Two point.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a slam to London for two.
• 1:41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Phillips, kind of another guy that they got.
• 1:41:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's an ex-Giant or Falcon.
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_01: I've liked this guy.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's a fourth-round pick four years ago.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he comes off almost as hard as Gordon, Tyler.
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_01: He whiffed on a slot sack, but he's physical as hell.
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, really physical.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_01: He and Gordon are a match pair.
• 1:41:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's a reckless blitzer.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_01: He had a knockdown against Bijan, knocked Bijan to the ground, right, to his knees one time.
• 1:41:59
  SPEAKER_01: They got two nasty edge blitzers.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other corner was Muhammad.
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_01: He was okay.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_01: He had a PI.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a touchdown.
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_01: No turn back for the ball to Dodson.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_01: He was fine.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_01: The safeties.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we did.
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_01: All right, now Thienemann.
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Played every snap.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_01: That defense should be good this Thursday.
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_01: They only played 46 snaps.
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_01: He missed London on that 37 yarder, gained an extra 18.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_01: He was in zone coverage.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_01: He got a sack and 4.6 on panics against Bijan.
• 1:42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Bijan's not a very good pass blocker team.
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_01: He had a fine breakup and he gave up a five yard touchdown to the tight end pits on a rub route.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_01: The other safety was Lewis, played 37, got hurt.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Then Hicks came in for 29.
• 1:42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Lewis, man,
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Bijan would have had that 80-yard touchdown,
• 1:43:01
  SPEAKER_01: but he goes in there hauling, attacking him, and made the tackle.
• 1:43:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was a gain at eight.
• 1:43:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was a great tackle in the hole.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then he had an ineffectual double coverage on Dotson.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_01: The game was I can't read my writing.
• 1:43:18
  SPEAKER_01: 11, I think.
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hicks made another touchdown saving tackle on Bijan.
• 1:43:23
  SPEAKER_01: He gave up a touchdown pass to Hicks.
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_01: And man, that's it for the D. Now the secondary.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what Ben was doing there early.
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_01: He tried Santos on a 56-yard field goal.
• 1:43:37
  SPEAKER_01: That led to a Falcon touchdown.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_01: That was in the middle of the second quarter.
• 1:43:40
  SPEAKER_01: That was a mistake.
• 1:43:42
  SPEAKER_01: Santos does not have that range.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_01: He did hit from 50.
• 1:43:47
  SPEAKER_01: Santos, I've been really checking these kickoff guys, Tyler.
• 1:43:50
  SPEAKER_01: All he does, he's just popping it straight down the middle, low and middle.
• 1:43:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he wants.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_01: His 10 teammates know it's coming.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Direction, he doesn't even try to go outside the numbers.
• 1:44:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then Taylor, the punter, five punts, 44-8, 41-0, had a good day, 4-5-0.
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Their coverage units...
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe the best I've seen this year.
• 1:44:19
  SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable hustle and fury.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Atlanta returned six kickoffs for 20.3 and two punts.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_01: The punts, they didn't do anything there either.
• 1:44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Walker and Blackwell are gunners and you got all these nasty people hustling.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's Richard Hightower.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_01: They're flying around.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Their return game, really good.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Raymond averaged 18.0 on three punts.
• 1:44:48
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is the kickoff guy.
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_01: Zavian Thomas is kind of skittish back there.
• 1:44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't bring it in hard.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's got speed, but come on.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Four returns, 21.3.
• 1:45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Blackwell recovered the muff punt by Zachariah Branch.
• 1:45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Walker had the roughing the punter penalty, mistake.
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Xavier and Scott,
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_01: the running back from the Vikings, had three tackles, including a forced fumble.
• 1:45:19
  SPEAKER_01: And Jaude Walker got ejected for unnecessary roughness on a kickoff.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's it for the Bears.
• 1:45:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I feel like the Bears are closer to being that team that you saw against
• 1:45:34
  SPEAKER_00: the Atlanta Falcons than the one that was shellacked by the Packers at Lambeau Field
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_00: with their backup quarterback.
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a fair assessment, but that offensive efficiency is difficult to sustain.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Ben Johnson hasn't been shy.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_00: Story with Dan Pompey at the Athletic.
• 1:45:56
  SPEAKER_00: Blowouts and shutouts.
• 1:45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Trying to speak it into existence here.
• 1:46:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're a different team with their starting quarterback.
• 1:46:06
  SPEAKER_00: And Ben Johnson pushing the buttons.
• 1:46:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like Green Bay, they're kind of working into the teeth of their schedule now.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_00: Got the defending AFC champs.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_00: Drake Mays been heating up.
• 1:46:17
  SPEAKER_00: Granted, they've got injuries out there in New England.
• 1:46:21
  SPEAKER_00: But their quarterback kind of getting this confidence back.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_00: They're feeling good about themselves.
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, big, big picture?
• 1:46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Any thoughts on where the Bears are?
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing to happen to this thing?
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we love their offensive line, no doubt, as long as Jonah Jackson isn't out with his hip.
• 1:46:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's a major one, man, if that happens.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:46:42
  SPEAKER_01: You love their offense.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_01: Monunga hasn't played a couple games.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_01: We know how good he is.
• 1:46:47
  SPEAKER_01: He makes Swift better.
• 1:46:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's a hell of a lot better than Roshon Johnson.
• 1:46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Defense, all right, they get Sweat back, but is Sweat really that good?
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Is he a premier guy?
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, he hasn't been there for a couple of years.
• 1:47:01
  SPEAKER_01: Do they have enough?
• 1:47:02
  SPEAKER_01: Are they big enough inside to start stopping the run against good teams in cold weather?
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 1:47:09
  SPEAKER_01: They have a really good D coordinator in Dennis Allen,
• 1:47:14
  SPEAKER_01: but edge rushers,
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how long Oding Ding Bale's gone, but he was having a good year.
• 1:47:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's a blow.
• 1:47:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's on IR.
• 1:47:23
  SPEAKER_01: Their secondary has played pretty well.
• 1:47:27
  SPEAKER_01: Gordon helps them.
• 1:47:28
  SPEAKER_01: This Phillips guy helps them.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_01: They traded for Phillips, right?
• 1:47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, with Atlanta.
• 1:47:35
  SPEAKER_01: Their inside backers, I assume TJ Edwards will be back pretty quick.
• 1:47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Bush has kind of grown on me.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_01: And their special teams are real good.
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, that coverage.
• 1:47:47
  SPEAKER_01: And Khalifa Raymond helps them.
• 1:47:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is a hell of a division.
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to handicap, isn't it?
• 1:47:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:47:56
  SPEAKER_01: I could see all four of them winning it.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_00: We said it before week one.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_00: Any team could finish first.
• 1:48:04
  SPEAKER_00: Any team could finish last.
• 1:48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Late October, I still feel the same way.
• 1:48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I agree all the way.
• 1:48:13
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's get to your McGinn memory and wrap this episode up.
• 1:48:16
  SPEAKER_00: What you got for us?
• 1:48:18
  SPEAKER_01: All right,
• 1:48:19
  SPEAKER_01: so people,
• 1:48:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell them we're going to talk about the media so they can turn off right here
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_01: if they don't want to hear it, all right?
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_01: So the PAC's going back to Detroit and immediately gets me thinking about
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_01: the Detroit Media Corps.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it was interesting because during most of my time,
• 1:48:43
  SPEAKER_01: The News, the Free Press, and MLive slash Oakland Press had the same beat writers.
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_01: All three of them.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Kurt Sylvester of the Free Press,
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_01: Mike O'Hara of the News, and Tom Killer Kowalski of MLive slash Oakland Press.
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_01: That got them over to Ann Arbor, Flint.
• 1:49:05
  SPEAKER_01: All those papers became one 30 years ago.
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_01: Something like that.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:49:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know,
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_01: back before the internet,
• 1:49:15
  SPEAKER_01: Tyler, you would generally pick a guy in each city that you knew or got to know.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_01: And when something would happen,
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_01: trade talk or something about the draft,
• 1:49:25
  SPEAKER_01: and I'd want to talk to somebody from that city, you'd just talk to one guy.
• 1:49:30
  SPEAKER_01: But in this case, I happened to be friends just by happenstance with all three of these guys.
• 1:49:36
  SPEAKER_01: Kurt Sylvester was there 27 years on the lion beat.
• 1:49:40
  SPEAKER_01: From 78 to 04, he wrote the most punchy, clever leads without ever being hokey.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_01: A beat writer that I've ever been around.
• 1:49:52
  SPEAKER_01: He covered Michigan when I was a student.
• 1:49:55
  SPEAKER_01: We were in awe of this guy.
• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_01: I had lunch with him about in May with longtime,
• 1:50:04
  SPEAKER_01: the best high school writer in history, Mick McCabe.
• 1:50:07
  SPEAKER_01: We had lunch over in Ypsilanti.
• 1:50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Kurt's a great guy.
• 1:50:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he retired in 05.
• 1:50:12
  SPEAKER_01: He retired young to play baseball.
• 1:50:15
  SPEAKER_01: He plays competitive baseball until he was about 80 years old, 70 years old.
• 1:50:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's unreal.
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_01: He quit last year.
• 1:50:23
  SPEAKER_01: Mike O'Hara, he covered the team for the Detroit News for 35 years.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then he went to lions.com and did another 12.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_01: He retired in 2024.
• 1:50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Mike O'Hara, he broke a hell of a lot of stories on that beat.
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_01: He was really plugged in.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_01: And Killer Kowalski.
• 1:50:44
  SPEAKER_01: He got on the beat in 78.
• 1:50:46
  SPEAKER_01: He was going strong at age 51, and he died of heart condition suddenly in 2011.
• 1:50:55
  SPEAKER_01: So he put in about 32 years on the beat.
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Very good friends with all of them.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_01: I saw one game myself,
• 1:51:04
  SPEAKER_01: football game at Tiger Stadium,
• 1:51:06
  SPEAKER_01: and then the Silverdome from 75 to 01, and then Ford Field from 02 to 16.
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_01: I liked all the venues, but the guy I want to talk mainly about here is Jerry Green.
• 1:51:19
  SPEAKER_01: Jerry Green really changed the way I thought about football coverage.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's the only reporter to cover the first 56 Super Bowls.
• 1:51:32
  SPEAKER_01: He worked for the Detroit News.
• 1:51:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's semi-retired.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_01: 67 years as a newspaper writer, all for the Detroit News.
• 1:51:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think the first five are with Associated Press.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_01: His streak ended on the Super Bowls in 22,
• 1:51:49
  SPEAKER_01: and then he died nine months, about a year later at age 94.
• 1:51:55
  SPEAKER_01: We had lunch about a year before he passed, and...
• 1:51:59
  SPEAKER_01: I loved about him.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_01: He still was competitive with the free press.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_01: He still talked about his rivalry with the great Joel Falls, the free press columnist.
• 1:52:09
  SPEAKER_01: Jerry was a beat writer, but then he was a columnist.
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_01: And they didn't like each other.
• 1:52:14
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't like the free press.
• 1:52:16
  SPEAKER_01: And even at 93, he was still talking about competitive.
• 1:52:20
  SPEAKER_01: His juices flowed that day in the restaurant.
• 1:52:23
  SPEAKER_01: It was awesome.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of the way I was, you know?
• 1:52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:52:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love my Press Gazette,
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_01: and then I love my Journal Sentinel, and you know that's the way I was, man.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_01: He semi-retired from the news in 04, but he kept writing columns.
• 1:52:40
  SPEAKER_01: And when I moved over here nine years ago, every two weeks, he'd write a big column in the news.
• 1:52:47
  SPEAKER_01: He could just make it sing.
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's a wonderful writer.
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, I'm growing up in Escanaba, and...
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Jerry Green, by the way, was born in Manhattan in 1928.
• 1:53:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's an Easterner.
• 1:53:02
  SPEAKER_01: Went to Brown University, served in the U.S. Navy in the early 50s, then came to AP Detroit.
• 1:53:10
  SPEAKER_01: He learned football after Benny Oosterbaum, the Michigan coach in the mid-50s.
• 1:53:16
  SPEAKER_01: After Jerry told me Benny would get the team together,
• 1:53:20
  SPEAKER_01: get practice going,
• 1:53:22
  SPEAKER_01: then he'd come over and sit on a blocking dummy with Jerry,
• 1:53:26
  SPEAKER_01: And explain football to Jerry.
• 1:53:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is the head coach of Michigan Wolverines in 54, 55.
• 1:53:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how Jerry really learned ball from Benny.
• 1:53:37
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he tells me.
• 1:53:39
  SPEAKER_01: So at age nine,
• 1:53:42
  SPEAKER_01: I got introduced to APBA,
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_01: the sports table game, which was based on, you're familiar with APBA, Tyler?
• 1:53:52
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:53:55
  SPEAKER_01: It came Lancaster,
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_01: Pennsylvania,
• 1:53:58
  SPEAKER_01: and it was based,
• 1:53:59
  SPEAKER_01: if you played the game realistically,
• 1:54:01
  SPEAKER_01: there were playing cards and it was all numerical formula based,
• 1:54:06
  SPEAKER_01: that if you played a full schedule in the NFL,
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_01: these teams would perform theoretically almost exactly the way they did in real life
• 1:54:14
  SPEAKER_01: and everybody would perform the same.
• 1:54:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I started in on this 9,
• 1:54:18
  SPEAKER_01: 10, 11, a guy by the name of Tom Anzalone, a friend of mine in Escanaba.
• 1:54:22
  SPEAKER_01: He introduced me to it.
• 1:54:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is where I started
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_01: thinking about left tackles and right tackles
• 1:54:29
  SPEAKER_01: and linebackers and if they could run.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 9, 10, 11, and I'm playing this game with him.
• 1:54:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I got into Jerry Green by buying the Detroit News,
• 1:54:40
  SPEAKER_01: his paper at Gust Asp, Which is still there in downtown Escanaba.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_01: Just ask, just ask.
• 1:54:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I would, this coverage from Jerry was so, it was like Tex Mall of Sports Illustrated.
• 1:54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Who was the first great analytical pro football writer.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Jerry was kind of right there with him, but in a regional, you know, environment.
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_01: And he would be covering Joe Schmidt's Lions.
• 1:55:07
  SPEAKER_01: And he would be telling me all this stuff in the mid 60s.
• 1:55:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm playing this sports table game.
• 1:55:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then it got me going.
• 1:55:15
  SPEAKER_01: And the Milwaukee Journal would come to our house every Sunday morning.
• 1:55:20
  SPEAKER_01: And they would have the rosters of the Packers opponent that day.
• 1:55:24
  SPEAKER_01: So there was only like 36-man rosters.
• 1:55:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd cut up these two-inch white squares,
• 1:55:31
  SPEAKER_01: one square per player,
• 1:55:32
  SPEAKER_01: and then line them up in front on the green carpet in front of this console TV.
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Me and my mom are watching the game.
• 1:55:39
  SPEAKER_01: And when subs had come in,
• 1:55:40
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:55:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'd get Forrest Gregg out of there, get more masters in there, right tackle.
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it was all, you know, that offense against the opposing defense.
• 1:55:50
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway,
• 1:55:51
  SPEAKER_01: I told Jerry Green several times how much he meant to,
• 1:55:55
  SPEAKER_01: you know, the course I went to.
• 1:55:58
  SPEAKER_01: And he was really something.
• 1:56:01
  SPEAKER_01: He covered the line beat from 65 to 72.
• 1:56:04
  SPEAKER_01: Those are my formative years.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_01: Then he became a columnist.
• 1:56:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he was something else.
• 1:56:10
  SPEAKER_01: He also wrote for Street and Smith's football annual in Dell in addition to the news.
• 1:56:16
  SPEAKER_01: He was competitive, an absolute total wordsmith, one of the greats in pro football reporting.
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_00: And infectious smile too, Bob, just looking him up here.
• 1:56:31
  SPEAKER_00: You could probably picture it.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can see it.
• 1:56:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at his obituary here.
• 1:56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, here he is at a Super Bowl.
• 1:56:40
  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
• 1:56:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:56:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's a great man.
• 1:56:43
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody in the pro football writing world knows him.
• 1:56:47
  SPEAKER_01: He was at 56 consecutive Super Bowls, Diarco.
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_00: I love the competitiveness, too.
• 1:56:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's somewhat of a lost art on beats.
• 1:56:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm parachuting into different markets, and you can compare this market to that market.
• 1:57:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's definitely some vibrant beats where you can sense a healthy tension, as there should be.
• 1:57:10
  SPEAKER_00: Then there's some places where it's just an amoeba kind of moving together in
• 1:57:14
  SPEAKER_00: the locker room, and everybody's just sharing the same quotes.
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them even get back to the media auditorium.
• 1:57:21
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, let's all transcribe this together and just help each other out.
• 1:57:25
  SPEAKER_00: Screw that.
• 1:57:28
  SPEAKER_00: You should want to beat your competition in submission.
• 1:57:35
  SPEAKER_00: You should be fighting for original stories.
• 1:57:37
  SPEAKER_00: What are we doing here?
• 1:57:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can be friends.
• 1:57:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I learned this all from you and Tom,
• 1:57:43
  SPEAKER_00: obviously, in terms of that competitiveness and trying to find a fresh angle.
• 1:57:47
  SPEAKER_00: But also, I like to consider myself a friendly guy.
• 1:57:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was close with Kareem Copeland.
• 1:57:55
  SPEAKER_00: Remember his Press Gazette days?
• 1:57:59
  SPEAKER_00: We'd hang out all the time.
• 1:58:01
  SPEAKER_00: We just never talked about work.
• 1:58:03
  SPEAKER_00: When it came over to the work, we'd want to beat each other every day for better stories.
• 1:58:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying you have to hate the person next to you on the sideline at
• 1:58:13
  SPEAKER_00: a training camp practice, but I don't know.
• 1:58:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just feel like What you learned from Jerry, and I love that.
• 1:58:19
  SPEAKER_00: To the very end, he just wanted to destroy the competition.
• 1:58:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's awesome.
• 1:58:26
  SPEAKER_00: There should be more of that.
• 1:58:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not this monolithic, insipid, bland, let's just all engage in group interviews.
• 1:58:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's what the teams want, right?
• 1:58:41
  SPEAKER_00: The teams would prefer that.
• 1:58:42
  SPEAKER_00: They want to control the message, you know?
• 1:58:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's why we prefer to sit down with players over a nice meal for an hour and
• 1:58:51
  SPEAKER_00: a half and learn something a little original.
• 1:58:55
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, Jerry, I got to read some of his stories and read up on him.
• 1:58:59
  SPEAKER_00: I feel ashamed.
• 1:59:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know a hell of a lot about Jerry.
• 1:59:02
  SPEAKER_00: So thanks so much for laying that out, Bob.
• 1:59:04
  SPEAKER_00: That was great.
• 1:59:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, good.
• 1:59:07
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 1:59:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hey, thank you so much, everyone, for watching, listening, supporting.
• 1:59:11
  SPEAKER_00: Again, you didn't hear one ad.
• 1:59:14
  SPEAKER_00: One sponsor, any of that on this episode.
• 1:59:17
  SPEAKER_00: You won't on any of the episodes.
• 1:59:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it's all because of you subscribing.
• 1:59:21
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for sharing the good word.
• 1:59:24
  SPEAKER_00: With a loved one, that's how we keep going strong.
• 1:59:27
  SPEAKER_00: Season number seven, Bob.
• 1:59:29
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I'm going to sign off here at the fantastic Badger State Brewing on Tony Canadeo Run.
• 1:59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Just a couple Hail Mary tosses away from Lambeau.
• 1:59:42
  SPEAKER_00: My hazy IPA is long gone.
• 1:59:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to have to order another.
• 1:59:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was fantastic.
• 1:59:47
  SPEAKER_00: Great brewery.
• 1:59:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll be posted up here editing this podcast and transcribing some interviews for sure.
• 1:59:57
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Bob.
• 1:59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, guys.
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