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Patriots Catch-22 9/24: Injury Updates, Jaguars Preview, Key Matchups · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch-22 podcast with Evan Lazar and
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  Speaker 1: Alex Barth. I'm Evan Lazar. I'm Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Nailed it. Joined, as always, by our bar. That's a fit.
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  Speaker 1: That's a match. No risk it. No risk it. Here
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  Speaker 1: is Evan Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not uncommon for a guy or a team
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  Speaker 3: that has one of these breakouts to have some of
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  Speaker 3: the weaknesses brought to the fore. And so I expected
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of that naturally coming into the season. OK,
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  Speaker 3: here's some stuff Drake may struggle with last year. The
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  Speaker 3: cover six is.
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  Speaker 1: One of them.
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  Speaker 3: I see teams using that that must rush more against
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  Speaker 3: him now. Close the pocket around him. Don't let him
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  Speaker 3: run away and just knock him off the spot a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. And that'll frustrate him.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the book on Drake May.
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  Speaker 1: It was at times last year. You just didn't see
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  Speaker 1: teams do it as much.
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  Speaker 4: That was a good open to pick because I want
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  Speaker 4: to talk a little bit about that. it's almost like
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  Speaker 4: becoming Baltimore around here to mention cover six, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like you just, you don't want to say it. Ooh,
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  Speaker 4: cover six. I do want to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 4: about that because the Patriots, Alex and Alex, it's Evan.
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  Speaker 4: It's ace behind the glass are playing the Jaguars this week.
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  Speaker 1: And guess what?
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  Speaker 4: Another quarters base, Vic Fangio inspired cover six defense. So
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  Speaker 4: we'll talk all about that here in a second. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to talk injuries because there's unfortunately a lot. of
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  Speaker 4: those for the Patriots as well off the top of
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  Speaker 4: the show. I want to get your takes, Alex, on
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  Speaker 4: how they're going to replace all these injured guys that
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  Speaker 4: we think are not going to play in this game
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday. I said no grab ass at the top
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  Speaker 4: of the show because we don't have time for it,
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  Speaker 4: but real quick, I.
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  Speaker 1: Pulled a U yesterday. I forgot to eat lunch. Is
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  Speaker 1: that a me thing? Yeah, that's a U thing.
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  Speaker 4: I forgot to eat lunch, and I ate lunch at like,
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  Speaker 4: I normally eat lunch around noon, and my body's very scheduled.
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  Speaker 1: It's too early.
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  Speaker 4: I usually eat lunch around noon and I ate lunch
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  Speaker 4: yesterday at like two 30 because I forgot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And I have felt like crap ever since. Like I've,
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  Speaker 4: like I've literally am nauseous and don't feel great. So
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  Speaker 4: like I felt like you, I was, you tell me
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  Speaker 4: all the time that you forget to eat that, that
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  Speaker 4: that's a you thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm putting that on me. When I eat lunch, I
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  Speaker 1: usually eat lunch at like two o'clock.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more of a late eater lunch around like two.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more dinner at like eight o'clock person.
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  Speaker 1: That's way too late. No, tonight, no, but it's especially
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  Speaker 1: this time of year. I'm almost in bed by 8 o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: I'm old.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: If I can time it right, you know, start making
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  Speaker 3: dinner around like 7.45, 8 o'clock, and I'm sitting down
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  Speaker 3: on the TV, nice, fresh-made dinner as soon as that
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  Speaker 3: game kicks off.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I get to eat dinner and watch the game. That
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  Speaker 3: is what I like to do. I would say around 8.30.
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  Speaker 4: Jess and I start to get a little antsy on
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  Speaker 4: the couch. By 9 o'clock, we're in bed. We are
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  Speaker 4: in bed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on the couch. 9 p.m. I'm on the couch
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  Speaker 1: through probably 11. I'd say 9 p.m. in the bed.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe watch a little bit more TV in the bed.
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  Speaker 4: Scroll on the phone.
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  Speaker 5: 10 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Out to the out so you got tv in bed like.
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  Speaker 4: Oh we got yeah we got come on we got
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  Speaker 4: we got tvs everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah but i'm eating dinner i don't want to eat
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  Speaker 1: in bed i don't eat in bed well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah because we eat at a normal time like 6
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  Speaker 4: 6 30 like normal people whatever anyways i.
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  Speaker 1: Said i said we weren't yeah right let's just you
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  Speaker 1: could keep going.
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  Speaker 4: But we're gonna do this all right we're getting into
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  Speaker 4: uh Well, unfortunately, off the top of the show here,
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  Speaker 4: we'll just do the latest injuries news. We both of
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  Speaker 4: us were out at practice yesterday, at least for the
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  Speaker 4: media access part of practice. And it's really becoming do
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  Speaker 4: you use like laundry list or CVS receipt? I like CVS,
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  Speaker 4: especially when we're talking.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So this has really become like a CVS receipt. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm just going to rattle it off. And I want
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  Speaker 4: to talk about a few of them individually that are
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more severe, it sounds like, than others.
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  Speaker 4: So there are two players that are going to injured
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  Speaker 4: reserve or have gone to injured reserve off of this
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  Speaker 4: week two game. Mike Onwenu and Del Pettis. Those guys
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  Speaker 4: are out there.
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  Speaker 1: They're out. Mike Onwenu might be out for the season.
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  Speaker 4: That's speculation, but certainly didn't look good and looks like
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  Speaker 4: he broke his ankle. And so that's not great. On Wednesday,
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  Speaker 4: you had three players that did not participate. Craig Woodson
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  Speaker 4: with the shoulder, which we kind of knew about. Draymond
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  Speaker 4: Jones with the shoulder, which we also knew about. And
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  Speaker 4: then Q Hutchins, which we didn't know about, injured his knees.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe that happened late in the game last week,
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  Speaker 4: and so they didn't get to the injury destination with
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  Speaker 4: him in-game. So now you are down Draymond Jones and
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  Speaker 4: Quintavious Hutchins, which means that the only edge rushers on
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  Speaker 4: the roster right now are Elijah ponder gay back is.
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  Speaker 4: And then yesterday they signed Jose Ramirez to the 53
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  Speaker 4: man roster who profiles a lot like Q Hutchins, like
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  Speaker 4: a speed rusher play on special teams, that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 4: So those two guys, I would say, or I guess
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  Speaker 4: you can put Q Hutchins in this list as well,
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  Speaker 4: but it does sound like, murky right now for Craig
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  Speaker 4: Woodson and Draymond Jones. So before I get to all
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  Speaker 4: the limited guys, I just want to start there with
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  Speaker 4: those four on when you Pettis Woodson Jones, because I
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  Speaker 4: think the three out of four of them are starters.
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  Speaker 4: And Del Pettis has been a guy that they've used.
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  Speaker 1: In multiple phases is a starter. If Woodson is hurt, right?
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  Speaker 4: So, so starting with on when you, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: you need to overcomplicate this one for now. I think
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  Speaker 4: Greg Van Roten goes in at right guard. If he
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  Speaker 4: plays well, it's his job to keep for the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the season. If he doesn't play well, we can
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  Speaker 4: talk about contingency plans.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think there's any chance that they move Greg
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  Speaker 3: Van Roten to left and Vera Tucker to right?
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  Speaker 4: I don't see the need for that. I think Ben
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  Speaker 4: Rowan's played plenty of right in his life. Actually, I
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  Speaker 4: think he's probably played more right than left if I'm
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  Speaker 4: remembering correctly off the top of my head. So I
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  Speaker 4: think that he's probably more comfortable at right. I think
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  Speaker 4: that that's the best way to go. The only contingency
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  Speaker 4: plan that I can think of, uh, well, obviously you,
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  Speaker 4: you could try Ben Brown and give him an audition too,
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  Speaker 4: if it doesn't go well with Van Roten, but then
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  Speaker 4: it would be getting a little bit crazy and flipping
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  Speaker 4: Vera Tucker and maybe putting Caleb Lomo in at left guard, uh,
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  Speaker 4: to play there.
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  Speaker 1: Did you catch it yesterday? Vrabel gave one other name
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  Speaker 1: that could be in the mix. Walter Rouse.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't really understand that one.
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  Speaker 3: I think he said Rouse and not Lomo.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they're just, Maybe he's just throwing names out there.
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  Speaker 4: That one I can't really see happening. But as of
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  Speaker 4: right now, I don't think you need to overcomplicate it
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  Speaker 4: like I just said. I would give Van Roen a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of leash and see if he plays well
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  Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks. I thought in the game
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  Speaker 4: last week he struggled out of the gate, which isn't surprising.
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  Speaker 4: I thought he kind of settled down a little bit
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  Speaker 4: as the game wore on.
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  Speaker 1: He's a veteran.
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  Speaker 4: He's started a ton of games recently over the last
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  Speaker 4: three years, mostly, I think, at right guard. So I
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  Speaker 4: would just let him roll with it and see what
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  Speaker 4: happens with Van Roen for now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I think you start there for sure.
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  Speaker 3: And I think you start there and you kind of
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  Speaker 3: said it like you got to give him two.
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  Speaker 1: Or three games.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You don't, it would have to be really, really bad
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  Speaker 3: to make that change in game. He's going to have
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  Speaker 3: a full week of practice. The other guys are going
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  Speaker 3: to have a full week of practice with him, you know,
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  Speaker 3: build that chemistry as well.
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  Speaker 1: So, I I'm expecting to see him on Sunday. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Me as well.
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  Speaker 4: And I, I, it's a drop off and I, I know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we got an email or a comment or
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  Speaker 4: something like that about people kind of downplaying the on
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  Speaker 4: one new injury.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think, and I'm not trying to downplay it
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  Speaker 4: at all. It's a, it's a big loss. It's a
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  Speaker 4: player that is probably their most consistent lineman. And also
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  Speaker 4: a guy that I think is an underrated leader.
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  Speaker 1: In that offensive line room.
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  Speaker 4: Um, I think the biggest thing, though, that changes on Wenny,
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  Speaker 4: last year I would have said the one-on-one pass blocking
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  Speaker 4: assignments would need to change because he would get a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the one-on-ones because they were trying to help
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  Speaker 4: to the left side of the line. Now that Vera
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  Speaker 4: Tucker is playing left guard, I don't think that they
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  Speaker 4: need to slide protection that way as much as maybe
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  Speaker 4: they did last year with Jared Wilson and Will Campbell
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  Speaker 4: over there. So maybe not so much there, but... I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't say on when it was making a lot of
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  Speaker 4: like the downfield blocks that get.
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  Speaker 1: The run game going.
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  Speaker 4: He's making a lot of like the base and down
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  Speaker 4: blocks on the line of scrimmage that avoid early penetration
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  Speaker 4: and kind of allow the play to develop. So you're like,
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  Speaker 4: if you look at the play on Sunday on Travion
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  Speaker 4: Henderson's touchdown, it's him and Vera Tucker down blocking that
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  Speaker 4: allow Morgan Moses to wrap the on the, on the
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  Speaker 4: tackle pole up.
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  Speaker 1: To the second level.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that those are the blocks, like those
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  Speaker 4: base blocks, the double teams, uh, the down blocks on
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  Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage that on when it was just
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  Speaker 4: able to be sturdy and anchor and kind of turn
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  Speaker 4: his guys out of gaps. Uh, those blocks are because
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  Speaker 4: he's a big, strong dude, you know, like, uh, that's
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  Speaker 4: not something that I necessarily think van wrote and is
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  Speaker 4: going to, uh, specialize in. So, uh, you kind of
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  Speaker 4: have to change, I think, a little bit about how
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  Speaker 4: you're going to run the football. Maybe now your power
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  Speaker 4: side might actually be more on the other side. We
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  Speaker 4: saw that on Sunday with Ramon DeStevenson's 24-yard run. That's
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  Speaker 4: a double team behind Vera Tucker and Campbell to get
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  Speaker 4: that run going. So that would be the biggest change
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  Speaker 4: schematically that I would see with that, not necessarily in
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  Speaker 4: pass protection, but more so, I would say, in terms
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  Speaker 4: of how they run the football and where kind of the, like,
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  Speaker 4: strength of the offensive line is in the run game.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think there's a chance that we see more
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  Speaker 3: they haven't really used that jumbo tight end maybe to
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  Speaker 3: commentate for that?
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  Speaker 1: They haven't used it as much as I thought they would.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that Lomu would get a lot of run
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  Speaker 4: in that jumbo tight end role. That's a game plan thing,
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  Speaker 4: I assume, week to week, whether or not it's going
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  Speaker 4: to work against a certain opponent. I would especially say,
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  Speaker 4: and we're going to get to the limited guys here
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  Speaker 4: in a second, if Eli Reardon is not a full go,
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  Speaker 4: maybe you see it a little bit more to get
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  Speaker 4: another true blocker on the field. I guess Cameron lot
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  Speaker 4: to retainer Arkin really that kind of player at, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in line type of player that's going to block guys and,
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  Speaker 4: and turn guys out like that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that that's maybe a place that they
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  Speaker 4: see the, the extra offensive lineman is getting him on
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  Speaker 4: the field to, to do that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Let's skip over Delped. I guess let's put the safeties together.
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  Speaker 4: So Craig Woodson and Delpedis, I think this is more
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  Speaker 4: obviously Woodson's is a tough loss. If he can't play
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  Speaker 4: for a period of time, one of their, their up
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  Speaker 4: and coming kind of rising stars on the defensive side
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  Speaker 4: of the ball. My guy, Jalen Reed's probably going to play,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's probably going to be him next to
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Bayard. I feel pretty okay about that tandem, you know,
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  Speaker 4: surviving Craig Woodson's injury. I think this is more because
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  Speaker 4: when you get a rash of injuries, at one position,
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  Speaker 4: you start to have a domino effect of depth missing
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  Speaker 4: at safety. So my bigger question, they have played basically
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  Speaker 4: every snap so far and through two games in nickel.
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  Speaker 4: They have 10 base defense snaps the entire season. So
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  Speaker 4: far they have zero in dime. They basically been all nickel.
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  Speaker 4: Now within nickel, they've played a lot of three safety nickel.
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  Speaker 4: So basically, Are they going to have the depth and
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  Speaker 4: the ability to get to three safety nickel, which I
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  Speaker 4: think is kind of like their new base and what
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  Speaker 4: they're going to match heavy personnel with this season or
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  Speaker 4: the plan was to match heavy personnel with this season.
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  Speaker 4: Do they have the ability to still get to three
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  Speaker 4: safety nickel, even though they don't have now two layers
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  Speaker 4: of depth of Woodson and Pettis out at safety?
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  Speaker 3: I think I actually don't have the number on this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like middle of writing up my game preview. You
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  Speaker 3: might have it. In this specific game, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if that's something that should be as much of an
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  Speaker 3: issue because I think the Jaguars are going to play.
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars play a ton of three wide receiver.
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  Speaker 4: They don't play a ton of three wide receivers. They
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  Speaker 4: play a ton of 12. They're second in the league
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  Speaker 4: right now in 12 personnel usage. So they play a
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  Speaker 4: lot of.
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  Speaker 1: I read Brian Thomas on the field less than 50%
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  Speaker 1: of the time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they play a lot of Brenton Strange and Borkicker,
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  Speaker 4: the rookie.
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  Speaker 1: The rookie. So then, then they are going to have
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  Speaker 1: to get into it. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be Buffalo the week after that, the
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  Speaker 1: same thing obviously is going to do a bunch.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Um, this is, this is going to be tricky for him.
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  Speaker 3: This is where you wonder if, and look, he's been
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  Speaker 3: out there on the practice squad. They had the chance,
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  Speaker 3: like a guy like John Saunders, if he could have
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  Speaker 3: been more in the mix and given them another deep
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  Speaker 3: safety and maybe let buyer play a little more in
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  Speaker 3: the box or something like that. But it, it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you lose two guys at a position where you usually
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  Speaker 3: only keep four or five. It's going to thin you
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  Speaker 3: out real quick. So they're going to have to find
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  Speaker 3: an answer for that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I, that, that's my biggest concern with it. Not
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  Speaker 4: to like diminish Craig Woodson at all. Uh, but my,
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  Speaker 4: my biggest concern more is they don't, they seem like
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  Speaker 4: they don't really want to play true base defense.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So they don't, they don't have the linebacker. Right.
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  Speaker 4: So if you don't have, if you don't feel like
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  Speaker 4: you have the linebackers to play true base, uh, And
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  Speaker 4: now you don't have the safety depth to play three
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  Speaker 4: safety nickel. Then like, what is your bigger package that
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  Speaker 4: you're putting on the field? Are you just going to
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  Speaker 4: put three corner nickel on the field and hope that
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  Speaker 4: against two teams that want to beef up on tight
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  Speaker 4: ends with the Jaguars and the bills that you're going
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  Speaker 4: to be able to stop the run out of a
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  Speaker 4: lighter formation?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that is really going to work.
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that that's where, where my concern goes
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  Speaker 4: with that. The next one here, the edge rushers, I
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  Speaker 4: think Elijah Ponder and Gabe Ackes are certainly just.
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  Speaker 1: Going to play a ton.
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't really have much else to add other
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  Speaker 4: than that. You know, I think the good news is,
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  Speaker 4: is that it does seem like Draymond Jones avoided a
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  Speaker 4: serious injury.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it, it does.
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  Speaker 3: And that's another spot again, where they're thin and guys
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  Speaker 3: are going to have to step up. You kind of
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  Speaker 3: said it. Gabe Ackes has had this nice start here and,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that he's like a rookie of the
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  Speaker 3: year favorite, right? But compared to what he looked like
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  Speaker 3: in the preseason, he's gotten off to a good start,
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  Speaker 3: but now there's going to be more on him.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what we talked about with him.
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  Speaker 3: It would be nice if they were in a spot
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  Speaker 3: where they could kind of ease him in, had a
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  Speaker 3: little more veteran depth ahead of them and not put
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  Speaker 3: so much on his plate right away. He's going to
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  Speaker 3: play a lot. And I talked about, I think I
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: talked about this on Tuesday. I talked about another show like,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: Jose Ramirez is probably going to play.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the third guy.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: And game to game, it's obviously there might be more extremes.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: There were only three edge rushers last year that played
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: more than 80% of their team's snaps. There were only
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: 13 that played more than 70%. That is a rotational position.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: So you're asking Gabe Ackes to shoulder a lot of
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: the load. And by the way, I know he's been good,
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: but Elijah Ponder, who was a 20% player last year,
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: pure pass rush guy, And you're also going to have
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: to kind of lean on Jose Ramirez. Now I, I
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: like Jose Ramirez is like a project player. I liked
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: him coming out of the draft, but we'll see. He's
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: played four NFL games in his career, mostly on special teams.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: So that is going to be a really big test
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: for really young unit. I don't know if it's a
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: pro or it's a con in this game. The Jaguars
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: weakness of their interior of their offensive line. Spoiler has
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: been their interior, right? Um, So I don't know if
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: you look at that as well. Okay, the Patriots' weakness
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: goes up against the Jaguars' strength. Or, well, Barmore and
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Milton Williams will have a million chances. They don't need
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: to lean on the rush as much. I guess that's
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: glass half full, glass half empty. But, yeah, it's going
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: to be interesting to see. And they might, I mean,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: they might elevate Xavier Holmes, too. You really kind of
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: want four guys to get through a game.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: So.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: They're going to be there. They're already going deep, deep
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: into the bag there at edge rusher.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: So Q Hutchins played 16 snaps on defense last week
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: as the third guy, once Draymond Jones went down. So
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Draymond Jones didn't go down until what the second quarter
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: or whatever it.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Was in the game.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't immediate that they needed three, him as
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: the third guy, but just an idea like Jose Ramirez
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: might need to play like 20 snaps on Sunday. You know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: like that, that might be where they're at with that. Uh,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: you mentioned, you know, practice squad elevations. Uh, I think
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Holmes makes a little bit of sense. Mike Brown, certainly
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: it seems like a lot.
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, we, I meant to bring that up with the safeties.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: You have him to his veteran. Those are probably your two, right?
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I would think that they, they have to be like,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: just for depth per, like you need to have guys.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: If there's anywhere else, they, they don't really need a
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: running back anymore.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: No, they shouldn't need the tight end. We'll get to
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: tight end. They don't need the punter.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Unless they feel like they need an extra offensive lineman. Yeah,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: I think they'll be all right with every place else.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I look at those two. That's his stance right now.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: They can make another roster move between now and Sunday.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Last one here on the limiteds. I think the big
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: one is obviously Eli Raritan with the thigh. The big
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: thing to me here is that they need to be
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: able to get teams to react to 12 personnel.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: And he was able to get teams to react to
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: 12 personnel in a way that I honestly, they haven't
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: had teams react to it in recent years.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: He was in Vrabel. Was it this week? He talked
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: about Raritan's like way ahead as a blocker.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: In terms of where we thought he would be, doesn't
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: mean he's perfect, but he's been good.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: And so that creates that conflict that you want that
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: personnel package to create. And they, to your point, like
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Austin Hooper, wasn't, Nobody was afraid to run when Austin
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Hooper came on the field.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: He said he more than they would be if it
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: was three wide receiver. Right. Raritan was giving them that
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: So last week they threw six passes against the Steelers
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: base defense. They gained 76 yards. That's 12.7 yards per attempt.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: It's pretty good. That's very good.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: So the Steelers played 19 snaps in base defense. Now
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: the Patriots didn't run the ball well. They only averaged
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: about two yards to carry against the Steelers base defense,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: but they got the Steelers to react to 12 personnel
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: with base defense. They were able to throw the ball
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: six times for 76 yards, which is really good, really
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: good efficiency. Almost 13 yards attempt had a big play to,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: to rare it in himself in this game against base defense.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: So how, you know, Tanner Arkin, uh, Cameron lot to
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: might get teams to put base defense on the field,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: but they're not past catching threats. So like, they're not
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: getting that advantage of, okay, now we're in base. You're
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: putting the safety on Hunter Henry. You're not getting a
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: linebacker on a tight end that you like. which is
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: the difference between Raritan and these guys. So just, I
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: think that he's trending in a positive direction. You know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: he was limited. He did practice a little bit yesterday.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: It seemed like he practiced in the later portion of practice,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: maybe when team drills were going on when we weren't there.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Cause he wasn't there when we were taking attendance. So
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: that tells me that he came late to practice. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: would say that that's probably a good sign. You know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: you don't really need him to do positional drills and
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. If he's doing team, that means that
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: they they think he might have a chance to play.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So hopefully that that's a positive.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: You think I don't want to get way too ahead
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: of ourselves here. I know it's only been two games.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: If he can just show up as a blocker this week,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and that's all he can do, do you think he's
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: shown enough that it still has that effect and teams
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: have to respect, the Jaguars would have to respect him
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: as a receiver even if he's not ultimately a massive
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: part of the passing game?
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: It's a good question because the Jaguars don't play a
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: lot of base. The Jaguars are another one of these
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Seahawks-y type defenses that play all.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Nickel and dime. We need to talk about what they
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: do with their corners. Yeah, we will.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: They play a bunch of nickel and dime defense. So
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think that they're going to blink regardless. But
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: the point is that if you have a guy that's
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: a plus blocker, especially a plus inline blocker against nickel
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: and dime defense, well, now you should be able to
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: run the ball.
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: What's more important if Raritan's back this week?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: That he can contribute as a blocker, contribute as a receiver?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Probably as a blocker. That's what I'm saying.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Just because of the way Jacksonville plays defensively.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: So if it's one of those things where he can
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: just give you that for this week, just this week, right?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: And then you go from there. But even if they
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: can get him in that regard this week, that would
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: be helpful.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, so those are all the iffy or just flat-out
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: not playing guys besides H.J.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Brown.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: But one sliver of positive news is that Carlton Davis
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: was back at practice yesterday as a full participant. So
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: it sounds like Carlton Davis is trending towards.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Playing on Sunday.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Which they need because the Jaguars have a depth of,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Weapons on offense.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: They do have three receivers.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I thought Charles Woods did a nice job last week,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: given that he's at the.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Fourth quarter and all that. Yeah, to step up in
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: competition this week. I would agree with that. I think
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So, uh, those are the injuries.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Uh, I want to move on to our Jaguars preview
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: right now. And I think we did key matchups of
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: last season, but yeah, that's like our segment.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: That's a staple.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: We have been doing key matchups since, uh, since the
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Clintus days, since 2018, which was the last time that
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: the Patriots played the Jaguars in Jacksonville.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And I was at that game.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: It was my very first road trip as a credentialed reporter, uh, was.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville, 2018.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: It was week two or three of the season, super
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: early in the season. It was 110 degrees.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It was so hot.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: I have not experienced heat like that very often.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Doesn't this spot kind of feel like that spot? Now,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: it's supposed to be 81 on Saturday in Jacksonville. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: don't want to look at Saturday. 84 on Sunday in Jacksonville.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Thank goodness. College football brain.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: It was 110.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not even exaggerating. It was triple digits.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Humidity is 56. It does kind of feel like that spot, though.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Same thing.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Coming off the Super Bowl, both teams were in the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: playoffs the year before. Jaguars was something to prove.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: It was their Super Bowl.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And I don't say that as a spoiled Patriots fan.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: The Patriots had just beaten the Jaguars in the AFC
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Championship game the year before.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Miles Jack happens. The Steph Gilmore breakup.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: There's some things that happened in that game that Jaguars
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: fans think they got jobbed out of the game. They
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: were much more competitive in the game than anybody thought
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: they were going to be, by the way. That was
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Blake Bortles. That team had talent, but was.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Kind of a.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: out of nowhere, AFC championship game, uh, participant and the
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Patriots won that game. I remember that that place was for,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: was rocking. Like they, it was a huge game down
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: there in Jacksonville and the Patriots got waxed.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Like it was not competitive. The score was only 31 20.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: It felt a lot wider than that because it was
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the Jags put up 480 total yards of offense.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: The Patriots only had 302. It was not.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Overly competitive for a Brady Belichick Patriot team. It was
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: not overly competitive.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I remember especially the Jaguars offense versus the Patriots defense.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Brady kind of kept them in it a little bit.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: The Jags, I pulled up the box score because I
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: was curious. This is kind of eye-popping. The Jags were
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: 10 of 14 on third down in that game.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: That's what I remember. It was just methodical. They killed them.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: They didn't come off the field on a hot day.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Let's see if I can find the temperature here.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Whatever it says, add 10 degrees because the humidity.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: It says 97.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It was in like... 97 with 15 mile an hour winds.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: And I know this is going to sound like such
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: a first world problem, but even in the press box,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: which is supposed to be air conditioned, it was still
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: 100 degrees because it was so hot that even the
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: AC in the stadium was having trouble keeping up with
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: keeping the place cool.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Like I said.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: It started in the morning when I walked out of
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: my hotel in the morning to go to the game,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: to go to the stadium, and I saw an alligator
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: in the parking lot.
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Literally like 10 feet in front of my Uber was
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: an alligator just staring at me. And I actually walked
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: by the front desk on the way out of the
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: hotel and the front desk, uh, one of the people
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: at the front desk said, Hey, like just an FYI,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: like there's an alligator in the parking lot. And I
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: didn't think they were serious. And I was just like, Oh, okay.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: And they were like, yeah, just like, don't get too
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: close to like, they, they leave you alone unless you
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: like get into their, their airspace or whatever. And I
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: was like, okay, sure. And I walked out and sure enough,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: there was just a, an alligator staring back.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: At me, some Florida man stuff. Yeah. And it was
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a hundred degrees and there's fricking Gators. It was crazy.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: And then the Patriots just got absolutely boat raced by
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: the Jaguars in that game. Anyways, enough memory lane. So
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: go into the Jaguars. I want to have a discussion
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: because I know that this has become a discourse, has
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: become a thing. You mentioned it in the clip that
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Ace played in the open.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Cover six.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Cover six has now become, like I said earlier, it's
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Baltimore of the Patriots football team right now. You don't
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: want to talk about it. I want to give you
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: the stats of Drake May against cover six.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: With one caveat.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: And then I also want to discuss what it is.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: And then also some things in my mind that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe could beat it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: So, uh, the first thing I want to do is
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: explain though, and why I'm talking about this so much,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: the Jaguars play the second highest cover six rate in
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: the league since the start of 2025. 19.6% over the
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: last two years. The only team that plays more cover
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: six defensively is the Eagles who Vic Fangio is the
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: defensive coordinator.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: It's their thing. It's literally his.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Coverage that he essentially coined, right? So they only play
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: collar defensively that plays more cover six than Anthony Campanella
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: is literally.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: The godfather of the coverage, right?
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: So that, that's why we're talking about it again this week.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: And I want to, put two interesting pieces of context
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: in here. So the first one is looking at Drake
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Mays volume of dropbacks against cover six. He only, since
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: the start of 2025, so both seasons, he only has
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: 54 total dropbacks against cover six.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: So that's like a shootout game, you know, like, like
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: maybe a game in a, like six quarters of football,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: five quarters of football in a regular game in terms
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: of dropbacks. Um, So it's not a ton. It's not
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: a huge sample size. The other thing that I would
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: throw in there is that, ironically, the cover six numbers
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: get a little bit wonky because the fourth quarter of
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, Seattle just played cover six on every
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: single snap in the fourth quarter of a blowout, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: the Patriots got some garbage time points and touchdowns in
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. So Drake Mays' cover six numbers, if
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: you include the Super Bowl, actually go up, not down.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: which feels backwards, right? It feels like it shouldn't be
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the case. So here are his stats on.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Against in the 54 dropbacks against cover six, he's 27
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: to 44. That's 61.4% against all other coverages. His completion
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: percentage is over 70%.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: He has two interceptions, zero touchdowns, 5.9 yards per pass attempt.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: The big number, his EPA per dropback against cover six
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: since the start of 2025 is 30th out of 39
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: qualified quarterbacks.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So bottom of the league.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: And against all other coverages in the NFL, uh, Cover one,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: cover two, cover three, quarters. He's number one in the
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: league in EPA per dropback since the start of 2025.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: So he's literally the best quarterback in the league against
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: every other coverage, and he's one of the worst quarterbacks
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: in the league specifically against cover six, which I think
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: is kind of bizarre. But he's fine against cover two,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: and he's fine against quarters, cover four, but he's not
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: fine against a combination of cover two and quarters.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: So is it because... he sees cover six and assumes
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: it's cover two and cover four and goes to the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: wrong side.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: That, that thought has crossed my mind is because, you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: with McDaniels, he's asking him to coverage, right? So like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: he's asking him to pick sides based off of what
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: he thinks the coverage is. So I thought he actually,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: I asked him about it yesterday and I thought he
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: actually gave a really good explanation of what teams are
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: trying to do against you. So just to simplify it,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: you kind of give you an idea of the distribution
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: of where all the defenders are. it's quarter, quarter, half, right?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: So one side of the field is quarters or cover four,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: and one side of the field is cover two. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: what they're doing typically, and this is what Drake May said,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: is they're trying to take away the one-on-ones on the outside.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Because everybody knows that Drake May wants one-on-one matchup and
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: to throw the goal ball to a one-on-one matchup.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: You don't want to play cover two against him because
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: he's going to put it in the hole.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: But you don't want to play... full cover for against him.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Cause then there's too much underneath.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: And, and you're really one-on-one on the outside in quarters.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Like there's really nothing. Right.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: So what they're doing is they're clouding the side of
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: the field, which means they have a corner underneath the
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: receiver and they have a safety over the top of
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: the receiver. It's not a true double team, but it
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: has the same, uh, Concept of a double team. Right.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: And so the Patriots are a big three by one
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: formation team, three receivers to one side, one receiver to
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: the other. And Drake may loves throwing the go ball
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: to the backside receiver, the one solo side.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Receiver. So what they're.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Doing a lot of the time is they're playing cover
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: two to the solo side, to the one receiver side,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: so that they have that cloud over the top of
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: the vertical. And then they're boxing the other side.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Of the field.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: So they have four over three on the other side
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: of the field. So they're basically numbers on both sides.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: of the formation in this situation. They're four over three
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: to the three receiver side and they're two over one
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: on the one receiver side. So that's why this is
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: giving the Patriots offense so many problems is because it
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: just kind of takes away their bread and butter. It
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: takes away their three by one formation. It takes away
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: the solo, uh, go ball, the backside, you know, go
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: ball that Drake may likes to throw. And it kind
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: of puts them in a murky spot. So how do
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: you go about beating cover six.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Well, really quickly.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: The one other thing that he said yesterday that I
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: thought was really important was about the, the field safety
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: being able to come up and run support. I think
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: that that's a really underrated about part about quarters is
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: that that freeze field safety is free to run the alley.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: So when he reads run, uh, to the passing strength,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: he can just come downhill on the run play quickly.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: So even though it is split safety, uh, it becomes
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: kind of single high safety real quick once you hand
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: the ball off. So you're thinking like, okay, we'll run it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: And then you're also probably thinking, we'll run it to
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: where you have the strength of the formation to, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: let's call it Drake Mays, right?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You know, where the three receivers are.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Well, if you run it to that side of the
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: field where the field safety is, he's going to do
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: what's called fast fill. He's just going to come downhill
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: like a bat out of hell. And now all of
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: a sudden there is another hat in the box that
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: you have to account for. So he mentioned just that,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: that you have to fit that safety. So now you
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: have to make sure you have enough blockers that are
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: going in that direction to fit that safety. So this
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: is this is like advanced level stuff. And I put
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: most of the onus on kind of taking down this
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: blueprint on Josh McDaniels because I think that they need
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: to come up with change-ups.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: They can't be three-by-one heavy.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: They have to find different passing concepts to open up
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: cover six.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Because you can't really play cover six against two-by-two, right?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: It's a lot harder. You could.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: They have different checks for it. But, like, I think
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: what the difference would be is, like, you could... With
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: two receivers to both sides of the formation, you could
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: run quarters beaters to one side and cover two beaters
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: to the other and then just kind of hope that
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: you guess right to which side they're running which.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So, is there.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Because you've dug very deep into this, so I'm going
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: to ask some questions that might seem basic.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I think that this is important to have this conversation.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Is the cover two always on the backside?
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: No.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Now, I would say the majority of the time it's
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: on the backside because you don't want to be three
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: over two on the other side.
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: So most of the time, but there are— But you've
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: got to.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Throw in the tendency breakers.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Right, so there's modifications to it to allow them to
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: cloud the other side of the field.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Which is basically cover eight, right?
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, so... Good job. Thank you. Is there.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: At some point, we should do cover one through cover...
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: There's no cover nine, right?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: There is. Well, in Fangio world, there is. Okay. There's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: no cover ten, right?
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: No.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I know three. Is there... Do you... And if you
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: don't have the exact number, I don't expect you to
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: have the exact number. Okay. Is there a split for
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Drake May... when the the when they cloud the cover two.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Side is on the back side versus the stack and
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: then the other split i would be curious about and
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: it maybe it's too early you said there's only 54
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: snaps so maybe we don't even have the data size
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: at this point yeah the other split i would be
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: curious about is just may throwing to the cover two
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: side of cover six versus may throwing through the quarter
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: side of cover six.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: It's a great point. I don't have that data handy,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: but I hope that they do. Like, I hope that
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: this is stuff that they're looking at.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Well, so now you have homework for next week, too.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: And I've already watched all 54 dropbacks of cover six
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: because I'm a nerd.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Off the top of your head, any sort of trends
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: like that that stand out?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I would say that the.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Trend is that they usually play it to the one
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: receiver side. So they're clouding the solo receiver side.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: But May.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: How about May throwing to... You said he likes to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: throw to the backside. He likes to throw to the backside.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But these miscues versus... Versus are usually coming on... When
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: he throws to the backside.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, to the three-receiver side.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: To the three-receiver side.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Because he's coming off the backside knowing he doesn't have it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: And so he's coming to the three-receiver side, and then
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: he's late to the three-receiver side.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Does he maybe think he's throwing in a cover, too?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: going to the quarter side.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: It's possible, but I feel like this is too much
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: of a blueprint at this point for him to not
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: understand the coverage. And the explanation that he gave yesterday
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: was spot on. Like, that's exactly what they're doing. So
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I think that he understands it. Now, obviously doing it
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: When it's live, it's a different thing than going up
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: on the podium or the whiteboard.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And talking about it. That's why they have the virtual. Right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: So the interception to Pop Douglas in the opener, when
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: he tries to split the safeties up the seam, that's
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: cover six.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: And.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: What they do with the safety, Seattle kind of clouded
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: both sides of the field. It was a game plan
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: wrinkle for third and pass. They clouded both sides of
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: the field. That was tricky. These are good defensive schemes.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: This is why this scheme is becoming more and more
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: popular is because it's good. It's working against a lot
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: of these offenses.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Well, this was quarters for a while when every offense
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: got super vertical and then teams figured out how to
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: beat quarters.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Correct. I think what teams figured out with quarters, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: then we do have to take a quick break, is
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: that really quarters becomes man-to-man on the outside.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: You know, because the safeties inside are kind of poaching.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: They're looking for like crossing routes and posts and things
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: like that. So if you can get the verticals on
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: the outside, then you're kind of running it one-on-one.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I think they also figured out that there's less resources.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Underneath and you can just kind of dink and dunk
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: on quarters.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: So it's like the flats, you know, you can throw
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: the flats and you can throw the go ball or
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: the deep post, the big post down the field.
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: On quarters.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: So this is like sort of a, a more exotic.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Quarters is essentially what it is.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Uh, and, uh, you know, it's given them problems and I,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: I fully expect Campanella to know that, uh, he's, you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: a Fangio guy, he's sort of a Mike McDonald, uh,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: tree kind of guy. I expect them to call plenty
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: of it on Sunday and we'll, we'll see how the Patriots, uh,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: solve those problems. Uh, one more thing on the, on the, uh,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Jaguars defense, and then we got to take this break. Um,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of hoping that the Patriots take the training
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: wheels off of Will Campbell a little bit in this game.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: We talked about this on Tuesday. They're giving Will Campbell
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of help. They're giving the offensive line in
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: general a lot of help. There's a lot of chips.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of moving pockets. There's a lot of
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: seven-man pass protection off play action. He's passed the test
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: so far. It's been two really good games. I like
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Josh Heinz-Allen. He's not Will Anderson or Nick Benito or...
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: TJ Watt or whoever, like, I think that Will Campbell
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: has kind of earned some trust here that he's playing
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: at a pretty good level. If you can get five
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: in the pattern against these zone coverage teams, that's always ideal.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I, on what this might or might not be like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: it depends how they feel about Van Roten, right?
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: It might be, no, we need to help the line
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: more because there's backup in there. Maybe it's, they needed
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: to send more help towards Van Roten. So that leaves
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Campbell on one more real quick on the Jaguar defense.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Before we go to break.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: As we keep saying, I know where we go to
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: interesting trend. Maybe it's just two weeks. It means nothing,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: but I found this fascinating. This is a very me stat.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: You're going to get annoyed by this.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: It's very, we talked about this on Tuesday. The Patriots
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: need to stay on schedule. They had all those big
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: plays in last week, but then had all the miscues
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: immediately after the Jaguars are one of the best third
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: down defenses in football through two weeks. I know people
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: are going to, some people are going to say, Oh,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: they played the Browns, whatever. Like the numbers are relatively
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: beat the bucks. And the numbers are relatively even against
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: the Browns and the Broncos in all of this. One
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: of the best third down defenses in the NFL. I
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: think it's four of 19 is the number. But teams
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: have only run 22 third downs against the Jaguars.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're one of the worst defenses at getting to third. Sorry, 19.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: They're one of the worst defenses at getting to third downs.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Against Jacksonville. Because on first and second down. They've been
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: really bad. Second down especially. The Jaguars are allowing. Seven
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: yards per play. Which is the third highest in the league.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Of the 40 defensive second downs. The Jaguars have had.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: 17 have gone for first downs.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: You texted. Nearly half. This is such a bar step.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe a statistical outlier through two weeks.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: How do they play when it's like 80 and sunny
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: on a Monday?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Well, no, because this is the stuff analytics leaves out.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Here's my point. That's the stuff.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: This is a team that through two weeks has, for
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: the most part, allowed offenses to stay on schedule.
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Allowed offenses to stay ahead of the six.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: They haven't been great through two weeks defensively. They have
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: a great scheme.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: So they've been great when they get to third down. Okay.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: They struggled to get... Teams are moving down the field
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: first down, second down, first down, second.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Down, first down, second down.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: That makes sense because he's got a great pressure package
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: on third down.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: So the Patriots need to be on schedule. It's something
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Drake may talk about this week. It's something Mike Vrabel
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: has talked about. This is an offense that, or defense
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: that you should be able to stay on schedule against,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: but they.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Will kill you if you don't. And that is going
• 39:22
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  Speaker 4: more about the Jaguars offense in this. I know we
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  Speaker 4: just did a lot on the Jaguars defense. I want
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  Speaker 4: to start with the matchups for the Patriots cornerbacks against
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  Speaker 4: this wide receiver trio. To me, that feels like the
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  Speaker 4: biggest thing they got going here.
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  Speaker 1: Parker Washington.
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  Speaker 4: Parker Washington is the engine of the Jaguars offense. The
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  Speaker 4: only player in the league right now that has a
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  Speaker 4: higher target share, so percentage of his team targets, than
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Parker Washington is Jackson Smith and Jigba. He is number
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  Speaker 4: two in the league in target share. This feels like
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  Speaker 4: a Marcus Jones matchup, Alex, but when you have a
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  Speaker 4: player that's that dominant in terms of volume, I do
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  Speaker 4: feel like Christian Gonzalez is lurking a little bit as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah i mean but like you said they have a
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: really good corner slot corner and marcus jones you know
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  Speaker 3: if they're in two receiver and i don't russian doesn't
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  Speaker 3: line up a ton outside though even.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a 50 50 split because they're in so
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: many two receivers.
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  Speaker 3: So i maybe when it's two receiver set when it's
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: in three i wouldn't because they got two good boundary
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  Speaker 3: receivers too like i i keep christian is also the
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: outside and Marcus Jones, Parker Washington should be a really
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  Speaker 3: good matchup.
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  Speaker 1: It should be.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: He runs across the field a lot. He's like a
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: crosser type of receiver. He runs across around like 25%
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: of his routes. So Marcus Jones keeping up with Parker Washington.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez probably taking Brian Thomas Jr. or Jacoby Myers,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: whoever the outside receiver is.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I think that makes the most sense.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Uh, I just wonder if like key third downs, do
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: you put Gonzalez on Parker Washington?
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Cause that's Trevor Lawrence's guy. Like that's clearly the guy
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: he's feeding.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: So I do wonder if you do that, but I
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: think Marcus Jones, uh, running across the field with Parker
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Washington makes the most sense. Uh, the other one that
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: I had written down are a couple more that I
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: had written down were actually, uh, Christian Barmore and Milton
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Williams against specifically their rookie left guard, Emmanuel Pregnant, who
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: had a tough game last week against Zach Allen, gave
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: up four pressures to Zach Allen. I feel like their
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: interior offensive line is the weak point. They want to
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: run the football. I think that those two guys in
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: the middle, they got to do some wrecking. They got
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: to wreak some havoc in there.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Big, big week for them, especially as we talked about
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: earlier with the lack of depth on the edge. I
• 44:53
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  Speaker 1: I swear to God, I just died. I just died.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: The YouTube chat thinks you fell in.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, but since yesterday, my stomach
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: has just been a wreck.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right. Terrible. Just terrible. I'm
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: sure this is what the people want to hear about.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, I got to explain myself. I just ran
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: off the set. I got to tell people what happened. Anyways,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: Will Campbell against Josh Heinz Allen. Hopefully, Will Campbell's stomach
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: feels better than mine.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I would like to see them take.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: The training wheels off of Will Campbell a little bit.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: I think he's kind of earned it. I think he
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: looks great. He looks healthy. Let's see what he's like
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: one-on-one pass pro against a good rusher. It's not a
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: great rusher, though.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: It's a good rusher. What are they saying about me
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: in the chat? That you fell in. I didn't fall in.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I just... I have digestive issues. You know this. Yeah,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think people want to hear about him. Let's
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: just talk football. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm just saying.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Tell them what happened. Anyways....
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: I would like to see them trust Will Campbell a
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: little bit more in this game. Last week, Garrett Bowles
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: shut Josh Heinz Allen out. Zero pressures in the game
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: last week. Now Garrett Bowles, all pro first team, all
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: pro left tackle. So he's a great player, but I
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: just look at it and say, I think that Campbell can,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: can control this matchup or at least, uh, draw even
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: in this matchup and maybe without all of the sort
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: of schematic emphasis that they're putting on the offensive line,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: you know, making sure the offensive line is taken care of.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: If we take the training wheels off a little bit,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: maybe they can get the ball, the passing game going
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: a little bit more. by running some more creative route
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: combinations down the field with four or five guys releasing
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: down the field into the pattern. On the other side,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: it's usually Trayvon Walker going up against Morgan Moses. That's
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: another one that you could certainly circle. Trayvon Walker is
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: kind of, in my opinion, I don't know if he's
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: ever lived up to truly being the number one overall
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: pick in a draft, but he's a freak athlete, really
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: good player against the run and pass. I think both
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: those guys... I'm not as worried about the interior guys
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: in this game. Like I kind of was the last
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: two weeks. Now I, you know, I'm looking at those
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: edge guys is like, those are the game wreckers. I
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: would say in this Jaguars defense.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Those are the guys that'll really give you some trouble. Um,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: like you said that the production hasn't been there, but
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: there's talent and you don't want to be the team
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: that lets that talent get going.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: We got any more of those or what, what, uh,
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: any more key matchups or did I go through them all?
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Um, I think just the cornerback position on the other
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: side is an interesting one to me. Not really a matchup,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: but so the Jaguars don't play any of their corners
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: truly full-time.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: They have four guys that play basically between 50 and 75%
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: of the snaps. Travis Hunter kind of towards the bottom
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: of that at 58.4. So you mentioned Will Campbell, interesting
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: storyline here, two of the top picks from that draft, but...
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: you know, that's somewhere where maybe the Patriots and Taylor
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Kyle's credit him at the staff Jaguars has been one
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: of the worst deep past defenses in the NFL through
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: two weeks.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Get those guys running. Get those guys running.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Get them gassed. Don't let them get in a rhythm.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Maybe some of those quick hitters. Maybe this is where
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: we see some of that tempo and even some no
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: huddle to get those.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Keep those corners on the field.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Where they're used to playing a little less. So that,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's good players. Like Travis Hunter's a good player.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis is a good player.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Good nickel.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like for what he does.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I don't really know why they rotate like this. I
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: haven't seen a good explanation for it.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I haven't either.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: And it's very like package specific. Right.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Like when they want to run certain things.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: And like if I'm the Patriots and I'm Josh McDaniels,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out if there's a pattern.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Right. Is there a tell? Does it make them predictable?
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Like are they running certain coverages with these players?
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Are they, you know?
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: Are these players playing in certain situations and they don't
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: want them in these other situations? Like you mentioned, no huddle. Well,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: if they don't, I'm just using as an example, I
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: don't know this. If they only want Jordan Lewis to
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: play on passing situations, well, can you hit a first down,
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: keep Jordan Lewis on the field and start running the
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: ball and start running the ball?
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: You know, cause I'm right at him. He plays in
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the slides.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: Right. And obviously they feel like he's he I'm not
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: saying he is. I'm just saying hypothetically that that player
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: is a is a detriment to their run defense.
• 54:40
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: So if you can get him caught or their past defense,
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: you know, vice versa. So those are the things that
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I agree with. I we don't have a ton of
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: time left, but I did want to because, you know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: of my issue, I did want to talk about Travis
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Hunter and what's going on there. I'll be the first
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: one to say it like I was a Travis Hunter guy.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: I really was high on him as a prospect. I
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: just thought he was a tremendous player in college. This
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: has been a weird go of it in 60 seconds
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: of what exactly is going on with Travis Hunter.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: We said this at the time. Travis Hunter was a
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: good prospect, but he was not an easy development. He
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: was not a player that was going to be easy
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: to develop. He's a high-level player, but that didn't mean
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: he was plug-and-play.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And you're seeing that.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars, last year he plays two ways. Now he's
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: playing corner, but still a little receiver.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: You've got to keep him healthy.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: And it's, yeah, they've got to figure it out, and
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: they haven't figured out the formula yet.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I have one other note on the Jaguars. Go for it.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Not really a key matchup, but if this becomes a
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: field position battle, Cam Little. Jaguars can field goal range
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: as soon as they get over midfield.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Literally. He had a 67-yarder last year. Yeah, he's got
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: a bomb. That's midfield. He could be a factor in
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: this game.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so a really good Jaguars team. I think this
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: is kind of an underrated Jaguars team. It sort of
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: mirrors the Patriots in a lot of ways the last
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: two years. They weren't quite as successful last year, obviously, but...
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: I think the Patriots are 15 and four in their
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: last 19 regular season games. The Jaguars are like 14
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: and five, you know?
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: And so it's pretty close. Okay. Give me one more.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: What, what are they, what are the comments saying?
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• 56:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for watching. Yeah. Um, it happens. She already
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: says Lazar crapping himself should be the topic for this segment. Hey,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: It almost happened, but I didn't. I'm glad you got
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: out of here in time. We have to sign off.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Don't you have a whole other two-hour show to do now? Yes.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: So we'll see how that goes. We got to get
• 56:34
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• 56:37
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• 56:41
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