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Episode 14: Should Obi-Wan Have Killed Anakin on Mustafar? · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello. Then it's time for most things
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Kenobi. Hey everyone, welcome to another
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episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne and I'm
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your host Lauren today. Oh, today, we're getting heavy
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and we're going to Mustafar, and we're gonna talk about the
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Battle. The Duel between Obi-Wan,
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Kenobi, and Anakin Skywalker, at the end of Revenge of the Sith,
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literally, the catalyst So much that we know within the Star
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Wars, what realm. But we're going to focus on
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Kenobi leaving Anakin or Darth Vader if you will after the
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final chop. Huh?
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That hurt that hurt to say yeah you know what we mean, right?
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You you know what we mean? We want to explore this a little
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bit because cinematically speaking.
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Obi-Wan and Anakin so Ewan and Hayden they're fighting their
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lightsaber. Battle is my personal favorite,
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it's the best. They are beautifully.
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Talented with wielding a lightsaber.
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They make it a dance. They are matched in power.
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They executed in the way that you would expect.
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Two best friends who have known each other, they know everything
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about each other. Now everything about each
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other's fighting style and its representative in the fight
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scene that we get at the end. Revenge of the Sith.
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Yes but it's those final moments that we're going to cover in
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this episode, right? Because it's the whole duel that
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they anticipate each other and they know what the other is
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going to do the entire time. Except at the end that's when
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Obi One uses what he knows from Qui gonn rather than what Anakin
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Anakin wasn't there when Qui-Gon died.
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So he doesn't know that hole. Sequence of flipping over
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person's head. Like right.
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What happens or what could happen?
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I just started this question on Tumblr, a few days ago and
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people were really passionate about their responses.
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So I thought it'd be an interesting thing to talk about
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on here because I personally I don't even know.
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It wasn't even sure what my opinion was.
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When I started writing it, I was just kind of, like, going
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through the motions of Yoda, tell him you have to Go and
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fight Anakin and Obi-Wan says, don't send me to do that.
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Like I can't do it. Send me to kill the emperor and
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Yoda is just like, no, you're not strong enough to fight
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boggling. Yeah, they're pitting Jedi
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against each other again and best friends.
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So I was saying that either, either Yoda believes that
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Obi-Wan is fully capable of killing his best friend, or Yoda
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is oblivious or Doesn't care. That ob1 doesn't feel like he
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can do it, or he feels like it's safer that.
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It's possible that Obi-Wan could fail.
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It killing Anakin, that's a better bet that Obi-Wan failing
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to kill Sidious and the thing I found interesting is they both
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fail, Yoda doesn't kill Sidious and Anakin doesn't, or Obi-Wan,
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doesn't kill Anakin. He thinks he does.
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You know, I'm sure he assumed that he died because we don't
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Oh, how he finds out that Anakin is become Darth Vader in a suit,
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you know? But maybe we'll find out in the
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Kenobi series. I really hope so that would hope
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so. But yeah, the whole thing is so
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hopeless. I mean, the whole thing is just
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what was Yoda thinking or not thinking.
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It's very cruel scenario. What on Earth?
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I mean, I guess in that moment of desperation maybe they just
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didn't have a good but Obi-Wan has dealt with a Sith before mmm
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multiple times well and technically defeated Anakin as a
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Sith to yeah yeah it's sad. Yeah it is yeah.
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So he defeated Mall multiple times and defeated Anakin I mean
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he killed mall all the way dead. Yes.
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Well after the Duel of the here, the battle of the heroes but I
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suppose that maybe they could have fought City Together Yoda
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and 01. That might have been.
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I've seen that comment a lot from people on both Instagram
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and Tumblr that they should have gone together, you know,
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ultimately, they didn't they split up and, of course, brother
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fought brother. Yeah.
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And Yoda and sidious were the Battle of good versus evil, you
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know, in the Galaxy. But that whole moment where
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Obi-Wan Obi-Wan, is capable of doing what has to be done,
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right? Right?
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The proof of that is when he cuts off his best friend's arm
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and legs and then watches him fall into the lava and burst
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into flames. And still doesn't do anything,
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like, not because he's being heartless.
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I think it's so upsetting. He doesn't want to look at this
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anymore or be a part of this anymore.
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And that's why he kind of just walks away.
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Yeah. You know, was that crueler than
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just putting Anakin out of his misery?
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What do you think? I know you.
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Strong feelings about Anakin and Vader.
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Yeah I first of all I don't know that Obi-Wan should have ever
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been put in that position, right?
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They were damn near equals as far as strength and you know,
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knowing each other, when you would think Yoda would know that
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he would think. But since I'll be one went and
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Obi-Wan was on the defensive which we know he excels in, it
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mean, Anakin was all offense. Well, okay, like nine. 88%
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offense, the other 2% was that leg in the arm, but I hate to be
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insensitive, but yeah, at the point where Anakin, okay, Darth
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Vader, whatever you want to call him in that mall.
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I'm gonna call him Anakin because you were my brother.
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Anakin were the words that came out past tense, because I
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believe that in that moment, Obi-Wan left him because he
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didn't see an ounce of the brother, he knew think about the
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Anna. That we know from the Clone Wars
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television, show The pal, the confidante, the brother, the
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best friend, who was always there.
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Yeah, he was a piss pot and a troublemaker, any cause a lot of
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strife but they loved each other.
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They respected each other. And I don't think Obi-Wan saw an
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even an ounce of that in the person or shell of a person on
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fire without a few limbs screaming on Mustafar, he Has
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walked away, he left everything. He knew from that past life
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there, on Mustafar. Yeah, he had to, and I was
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talking to you earlier, in Revenge of the Sith
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novelization, excellent novelization.
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There is a moment or a quote, or perhaps in paraphrasing that
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says, even grief is a form of attachment and Obi-Wan has to
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let that go. So to still at the moment of
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like the Crux of it, all Obi-Wan is still devoted.
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The goddamn code, right? And he has to let that grief and
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that sadness, and that attachment to that, whoever he
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views him as their screaming on fire.
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He has to let that go. He's got to.
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Yeah and he does because Obi-Wan does what he has to do.
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Always a always. I mean he even says it in season
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seven, when Bo Catan is confronting him and said, I
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thought you cared about my sister and he says I still do
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but I can't. Allow that to cloud my judgment
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and it might seem cold hearted but it's like the way he gets
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through one hell after another hmm.
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Maybe it's the reason he's in those Hills, I don't know.
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But maybe yeah I don't know that it was crueler.
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Mace asked Anakin to kill Palpatine.
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He was right there. He was ready to just be done and
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Anakin said that's not the Jedi way.
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So like I guess it's the same fucking thing with Obi-Wan he
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doesn't care if it's Darth Vader or Anakin or whatever.
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He's not going to end that wife. Yeah.
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The Jedi way like which I just to play Devil's Advocate like
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apple, your Hap's, that was ultimately Cruller.
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Because then later Anakin because to me, I feel like it's
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still possible that he could have been saved, right up until
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they closed him in that suit. Yeah, the suit was that was The
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end. And so like the suit is
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literally designed to keep him in pain so that he can be in
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touch with the rage and the pain to be strong with the dark side.
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So he lives lately, mutilated a slave to the emperor in constant
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pain, emotional and physical pain for decades with the regret
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of all of it. Yeah, just throttling his brain
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and because Obi-Wan couldn't finish what he started because
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of the fucking code. I would be Pistou in Anakin's
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defense? Yeah, I'd hold a fucking Grudge
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to yeah. Well, cut off my arms and legs
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and let me catch on fire and that just left there to be.
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Yeah, enslaved for the rest of my life and like how fucking
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depressing is that, since he started his life as a slave.
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I just think that I don't have an opinion necessarily.
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I just find it interesting to kind of circle around these
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ideas. Yeah, because I think that
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obviously we don't Don't know exactly what Obi-Wan was
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thinking in those moments. It's pretty obvious that he's in
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emotional distress, having to do this shit to his friend.
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And he like, I mean, he brings it right up to killing him and
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then doesn't do it. He goes as far as mutilating him
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and, and leaving him there, and it's like, it's so brutal, it's
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bad. Yeah.
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So it's like, it's mad now that he was holding back But then he
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did right there at the end where it could have changed the whole
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trajectory of the future, could it?
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I was going to ask that question.
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What would have happened had? He just killed Anakin mall was
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still alive. Would Molly taken Anakin's
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Place, good point Ahsoka still alive.
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Where is The Soca in all of this?
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I mean, obviously we know where she is physically.
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She's on Mandalore dealing with that but like what if let's I
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don't know could have. Yokai have done anything before.
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Anakin was put in the suit, I don't know.
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Well it's she probably was lucky that.
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The emperor never paid attention to her because she's no
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Skywalker's Apprentice, everyone's lucky that, they
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disregarded her, she to kill them all because at that point
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at that point I could see the bitch going in and just doing
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all of them in a row like okay. And I can't in the Younglings it
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would be a Soaker and everybody in Palpatine's crew done.
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Hands washed, fuck. You must have made a.
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Yeah. She would have been heartbroken
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and she wouldn't have believed. I mean q Rebels scene.
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Right right. She wanted believed it and she
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would have benched him and maybe she would have finished him off,
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right? Because he's technically, Anakin
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is not the Anakin any of them know by this point.
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But then we come back around to Loop who believed he was
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redeemable, right? And that he was still in there
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somewhere, Luke is one. Careful.
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Yeah, Luke is wonderful full of empathy and compassion total and
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maybe because he was more removed.
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If he had seen what Obi-Wan had seen.
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Yeah. Maybe he wouldn't have felt that
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way. But I mean, how hard must it
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have been to see your best friend who you were literally?
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Just the last time you saw him, you know, they said goodbye old
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friend, May the force be with you?
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It's like this. And then the next thing you see
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is video footage of him, literally killing children.
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Like not just wonder to what the hell happened in the last hour.
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Yeah. But it's not the last hour.
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They all they had to do was look over the past how many years of
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Palpatine worming his way into everything and the Jedi
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manipulating Anakin and misusing him totally.
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I mean it's not it wasn't it didn't happen in an hour, it
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happened in several years decades.
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If you want to go back to, you know, when Palpatine first got
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had his eye on him like well in like op1 was aware that that
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relationship. Asian ship was toxic.
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Yes, and he had over time even like Tarkin is a good example to
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where he tries to warn and a mannequin about being too
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friendly with Tarkin and tareq. And by the way, it looked, I'm
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sorry. Fuck Tarkin.
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He's a goddamn monster. Yeah, fucking go ahead.
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Carry on. But that, like Anakin wouldn't
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hear it, you know, he was too stubborn to admit these things
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and I'm sure part of it is because, you know, Palpatine One
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of the people he knew as a boy who were kind to him right from
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the beginning. And there's a comic book that
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talks about how Anakin was alienated even as a child and
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Palpatine would pay. Like special attention to him.
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Oh yeah. You know, it's not really any
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Wonder to me that Obi-Wan can't see a redeemable person anymore
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because that was probably very traumatizing and he had to have
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known that when Ahsoka left, another Catalyst for Anakin
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turning, or at least seeing more dark sides of the Jedi than, you
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know, he was so you still Clinging On at that point but
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you know, Ahsoka broke open, a lot of things that he had been
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thinking anyway and then he finally saw yes.
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And so yeah, that there was a lot of the egg shell cracking,
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really blew open at that point. Yes, I think so.
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And I don't it's just laid a foundation for him to question
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everything. Yes.
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And he should have it was a questionable situation that
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occurred, there were several question.
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Situations. Yeah.
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I mean he saw it through his wife and what she went through
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as a senator in the choices that were made and the hands that
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were tied of some of the really, really good Senators that just
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couldn't make Headway in this war and unexplainable.
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I mean, it's shit, was she was corrupt?
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Yeah. Yeah, well and I just
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re-watched, the Clone Wars episode where they discover what
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happened to Sifo-Dyas, it's one of the laws missions episode.
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I've only watched it once like a million years ago.
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And yeah, they discover at the end that it was basically Dooku.
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Who created the Clone Army, is like, their enemy created the
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Army for them and Yoda is wonders like we cannot tell
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anyone. We he is that doesn't help.
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We've got to cover this up and I was just like, wow, that's crazy
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corrupt. I mean, I get why he says that
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but still it's kind of like yikes.
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That's not very Jedi. Yeah, talk about admitting your
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wrongs. No, let's just cover them up
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like yeah. I know Yoda's all-wise and
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everybody loves you too, but I get really frustrated with
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Yoda's character. A lot of the times he was, he
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had his flaws just like all the other Jedi, he was wise.
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Yes. And he lived a lot longer than
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all the others, and he was there for Luke, but it wasn't a were
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doubtless path. Yes.
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Right, right. That's why I love this scene in
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The Empire Strikes Back radio drama.
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Because they do they say, what is implied?
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More. So in the film where Luke's
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been, you know, waiting his whole life and apparently Yoda
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has been aware, he's out there and has been waiting for him and
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then he shows up and he's like, you're too old.
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I'm not trading. You looks like, why did I have
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to go through all this then true.
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Why did you put me through this? Just to tell me that I can't do
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it now and you're not going to trade me.
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I'm too old and I'm too angry. And hmm.
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You're the one who let me grow up without coming to tell me who
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I was, when I was a child. Excellent.
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You know? And so like, when Yoda tells ob1
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you have to go fight Anakin, it's in that same vein of like
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aren't you wise? Don't you know that this is not
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gonna work there too similar. Yeah, they are opposites in the
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sense that like what we talked about last episode, where like,
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Anakin is passionate and Obi-Wan is repressed.
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Hmm. They are mirrors like they're
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too similar in their ability to read each other.
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It there was no way that was going to go well for anybody.
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Buddy. And why do they keep asking
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Obi-Wan to do these impossible? Emotional trials.
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Yeah. All the time.
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Yeah, over and over and over over and over the stuff.
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His character goes through all. Through Clone Wars is crazy,
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crazy and unfortunate for any one human.
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So let's not forget, yeah, he's a Jedi.
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He said goddamn human too. Yeah, the things asked of
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Obi-Wan are, are many And they are great and they are heavy.
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I'm surprised. He is not more insane, like Yoda
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is like how we will see it in the Kenobi, serum, a because
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it's Gotta come out at some point.
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She Woulda got very strange - AA, especially when you jump
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from how we was in, like Revenge of the Sith, and then you go to
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dab. It's like, wow, he's real goofy.
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He enjoyed living with those frogs way too long.
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I mean, You get a little weird when you live alone for a long
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time. Yeah.
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The Skywalker kid will show up but still.
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Yeah, I don't know. I'm interested to see how ob1
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how he does today actually because clearly by the time A
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New Hope comes around, he seems to have made some peace with who
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he is and what the situation he's in.
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But I'm sure that was not easy at the beginning know, there
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was, I mean, Luke is so young that he, you know, can't Quite
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focused on him yet his well-being, he's just a baby, no
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one's no one knows, it's him. No one's after him.
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Right. So that's a lot of down time to
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think about everything that happened and everything that
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maybe he could have done to change things or things that he
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should have done or signs that he missed.
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And, you know, that's a lot of time to think about that stuff
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to punish yourself. Yeah.
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Yeah. So here we have Anakin in the
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suit physically being punished, because Palpatine made a suit
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that would irritate his burnt. Limbs constantly to keep the
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rage flowing as if he needed it. I mean, yeah, right.
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Then there's Obi-Wan who's stuck on Tatooine whether by choice or
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forced because of the situation, reliving all of his regrets in
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his own Lonesome, personal hell. I mean, it's it's an
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interesting. I want to say mirror, but it's
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not because it's like a juxtaposition.
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Yeah, it's it's sad, is what its path.
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It's sad and it's Star Wars. Yeah.
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Well, and in that vein like to have ob1 now, stuck on this
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fucking miserable desert planet that he hated from the beginning
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as soon as they landed on Tatooine, it was his idea to go
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there. He has only himself to blame but
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like this is where Anakin entered his life.
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So this person that ends up ruining his life, right?
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He's now living in the place where he met him, right?
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It's like this cruel irony. It It is, and God, there it is.
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Again, the Qui-Gon Factor, if you will, where there is a
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probably Shadows of memory of Qui-Gon there and the things
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they went through. Now Obi-Wan didn't go with
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Qui-Gon into, you know, the town and meet Hannah can.
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But I mean there's enough there. Yeah, you know, one kind of like
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what we talked about in the, our episode about Obi-Wan and
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qui-gon's relationship that like he could, if he was feeling
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bitter, blame all of that on All the bad that followed on Anakin,
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if Anakin has never come into his life, would all this.
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Shit have happened. So to Circle back around, do you
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think it was cruel for Obi-Wan to leave him?
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I mean, what, what is your ultimate decision or what do you
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think that Obi-Wan was thinking in that moment or not thinking
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or not feeling? I think he was probably just
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trying to get the fuck out of there.
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Yeah rightfully so yeah I think that it was so upsetting that he
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felt like he had done as much as He could stand to do, but had to
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stop at this point, but I do think that that was a Cruller
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choice. Because not only did the
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galaxies suffer because of it, which is a lot to put on Obi one
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to blame on him. I don't blame him on it.
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But like, you know, this was a fork in a road and it could have
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gone a totally different way. But because he didn't finish off
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Anakin, he didn't kill Anakin Anakin Physically suffered
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greatly because of it afterwards and emotionally but if he hadn't
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maybe the emperor would never have been defeated because it's
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the thing that led to Luke, you know, coming into the emperor's
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presence and that is what turned Anakin's.
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It's like I guess these things had to be in place so that that
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final confrontation could have happened but maybe that
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confrontation would never have happened.
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If Obi-Wan had finished what he was supposed to would Luke have
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been trained as A Jedi then, who knows?
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Maybe they wouldn't have even had to go into hiding?
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I suppose Order 66. It already happened.
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So maybe they would have had to but well Palpatine.
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If he would have lost Anakin, he would have been on the hunt for
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his son, if he knew for sure or his daughter.
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Let's not let's not minimize Leia's part in this.
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She could have been an excellent Jedi.
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Well I'm sure he would have killed Padme if he knew that
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100%. Yeah, without a doubt, the whole
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thing would have just ended. Well I think I would like to
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see, and I'd like to hear your opinion and this is, yeah, I
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would like a, what? If scenario of Obi-Wan going to
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fight Sidious instead? Oh, do I think if we would have
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won? Yeah, I think you would have had
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a hell of a better chance than Yoda?
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Yes, I think it would have been a pretty interesting dual,
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that's for sure. And if like, Yoda had fought
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Anakin instead will not only that.
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But let's say Anakin, here's, let's let's say that Palpatine
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kills. Kenobi.
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What if Anakin heard about that? Would that of turned Anakin or
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would Palpatine of just fed him? Another lie?
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Yeah. What it would that have been the
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Catalyst for him to be like, okay, you know what I'm done,
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you killed him because like truthfully, Anakin's only
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father, brother family member was hope he wants.
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So he feels very strongly about family.
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Part of that doubt was that he started to feel like and saw
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things kind of the way you wanted to that Obi-Wan.
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Had met were in League against him.
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Oh yeah. And like if let's say yoda had
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gone to Padme and asked where Anakin was and then found
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Anakin, then somebody made this argument, I think it was on
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Instagram. They put this on the post that I
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had posted about this subject matter.
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They were saying, if Yoda had gone, there wouldn't have been
24:08
that conflict between Obi-Wan and Anakin.
24:11
So, even if Kenobi died fighting Sidious, or if he succeeded,
24:16
there was still The chance Padme with her children would still be
24:19
alive. That could have been the thing
24:21
to turn Anakin back very true because it all hinged on on
24:25
saving Padme. Exactly.
24:28
And if he could have saved, if she'd have been alive Kenobi
24:31
dies, he now lost. You know, his brother M&M's only
24:35
family member that could have pushed Anakin back into a more
24:40
reasonable Light Side. State of mind.
24:43
Yeah, probably would have still been tormented though because he
24:46
had It ended in a massacre at the temple and Order 66, you
24:51
know, wouldn't have been like all rainbows and butterflies.
24:54
He could have focused that into raising two, amazing children,
24:59
and teaching them about the person and trying to build, you
25:03
know, so that he's never forgotten.
25:05
Yeah. So to speak, but here Anakin
25:07
ends up dying turning into Darth Vader and it's hidden.
25:12
It's not a story. Anyone wants to tell or our
25:14
they're reluctant to tell Luke. And Leia, right?
25:17
And it's a mess. That's a good.
25:20
What if that's a good? What if be really interesting to
25:23
see that? I'm someone was like why haven't
25:26
I seen this fan fiction yet? Because we don't have time.
25:31
Yeah. You're when I learn we don't
25:33
have the time. I will be writing that kind of
25:36
sequence in my dark side part 3 but that is wait on the line
25:42
from here. Oh my God.
25:43
Yay. Yeah like it's the theme.
25:46
I really am. Sid.
25:47
That's why I want to write that. Whole dark side part 3.
25:50
It's all 0. B. 1 versus Sidious.
25:52
Yeah. Yeah.
25:53
He's The Apprentice, but really, he's there to like try and see
25:58
if he can outwit the strongest Sith that ever lived.
26:01
You know, and like and it will like, when I finish, I will tie
26:04
into Revenge of the Sith so it will be a fun thing to explore.
26:08
God knows if I'll ever get around to it, but I'm just
26:11
sitting here thinking like, Cano the Kenobi and sidious fight
26:14
would have been truly something else fucking Epic right, Ewan,
26:18
McGregor can spin a lightsaber. Let me tell you can.
26:21
And he can do Obi-Wan Justice, and I think it would have been a
26:25
hell of a show cinematically speaking.
26:28
Like, yeah. Damn, yeah.
26:31
It would have been fucking great.
26:33
Can we get a dream sequence? Oh, show us that be awesome.
26:37
I'm thinking of all the ways, the Kenobi show could like kind
26:39
of work that in and yet, you know.
26:41
Yeah, they won't. But I know, but I would've liked
26:44
it or maybe Like a fan because there's some really good fan
26:50
movies out there. Someone could do a short film in
26:53
and yeah, I mean, somebody redid the duel between Obi-Wan and
26:58
Darth Vader from a new, hope it made it more intense.
27:02
Fantastic, right. An awesome.
27:04
But I love that thing, do that. So great now this is I'm like,
27:07
I'm sitting here just thinking like, this is all I want out of
27:09
my life. Now.
27:10
Right, well, we really turn this from a dark place into a happy
27:15
body. I hope we get to To see Kenobi
27:17
fight proud but they not. Wow, we love to watch over would
27:21
suffer but like the thing with Anakin it's a little too much so
27:25
yes watch him suffer fighting Palpatine instead I'm a sucker
27:29
for pain because I'm an Anakin stand.
27:31
So yeah that minimizes my why I like him as you find him
27:36
incredibly multifaceted and difficult and you know I find
27:42
the fact that he a good guy, turned bad guy, turn good guy as
27:46
my Favorite and I will fall for it every fucking time.
27:49
I don't care. What?
27:50
Fandom? I don't care what franchise,
27:52
sigh me the fuck up and Anakin /.
27:54
Darth Vader was the first. Yeah, you know, I just love the
27:57
complication of his character, the more complicated, the
28:00
better. Yeah.
28:01
Which is kind of why we love Kenobi to because he's, he's no
28:04
simpleton, he's an onion of complication that is far larger
28:09
than any Vidalia that I can think of Outback Steakhouse.
28:14
You ain't got nothing on. They have the best woman onions,
28:18
I'm good. But last week we asked our
28:26
listeners, if they agreed with us that rise of Skywalker would
28:31
have been a stronger story if Ray have been a Kenobi and we
28:35
got a lot of mixed results. I will say that the folks on
28:41
Twitter when Lee Ann ran a, Twitter poll said that they did
28:43
not think it would make the story better.
28:45
However, on Instagram. On Tumblr.
28:47
The majority of people seem to think that the ray is a
28:50
Palpatine, was a really weak plot line and that Ray is a
28:54
Kenobi, would have made a lot more sense.
28:57
If wakes 31 on Tumblr said this, I love all of this, you know, I
29:04
think I could have even coped with palps coming back.
29:06
Knowing Ray had been a Kenobi and not a Palpatine.
29:10
And I also love the idea that you could say that Anakin and
29:13
Obi-Wan were on the path of being a dyad to, Totally agree
29:17
with that. Obi-Wan and Anakin is a dyad
29:20
that is a badass idea. I love it.
29:22
So as I said, the majority of our listeners and the people who
29:25
follow us on social media, definitely thought that Ray is a
29:28
Kenobi, was a better idea but the folks over on Twitter did
29:33
not agree. I don't know what they would
29:35
have preferred but they didn't think Ray is a Kenobi.
29:37
Was a better. Plotline, I guess we'll just
29:40
have to agree to disagree Twitter.
29:44
Alright, so our next episode, we're going to light Up a little
29:47
bit and we're gonna go into the Galaxy and discuss our favorite
29:51
planet. Yes.
29:53
God. I wish we could go to them for
29:55
real. That's the thing we're gonna
29:57
talk about why we want to go to him.
29:58
The ones we don't like why we don't want to go to them.
30:01
We're going to talk about some underrepresented planets.
30:04
That should be talked about more.
30:06
We're going to cover it all and we might even be able to tell
30:09
you a few places you can visit for real in real life where they
30:12
filmic that. Yeah, where they filmed.
30:14
Yes, yes, yes. It's gonna be fun.
30:16
Join us next week, planets. Thank you so much for joining us
30:20
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30:23
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30:35
twin May the force be with you always.