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Mike Gallagher Podcast - Monday October 12 2026 | Omar, Talarico and Amazon · Salem Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M & M,
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  Speaker 1: hot topics in the news and wisdom from life. It's
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  Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is M & M Extra.
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  Speaker 2: And a little something extra for you from Mark and Mike.
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  Speaker 2: It is Mark and Mike together in M & M
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  Speaker 2: Extra on this Monday, October 12th. I'm the Mark Davis part.
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  Speaker 3: Howdy, Mike. How did your show go today?
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  Speaker 4: Happy Indigenous Peoples Day.
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  Speaker 3: Happy Indi.
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  Speaker 1: And I.
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  Speaker 3: which I'm fine with. Oh, shut up.
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  Speaker 4: You are not. You are not.
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  Speaker 3: I'll finish the sentence, which I rarely do in this environment.
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  Speaker 3: And neither do you.
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  Speaker 2: Good luck. As long as it is layered in with
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  Speaker 2: Columbus Day. Columbus Day is awesome. I will not have
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  Speaker 2: Columbus Day sidelined. Maybe we have Indigenous Peoples Day on
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  Speaker 2: some other day, because I'm.
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  Speaker 3: A big fan of Indigenous people.
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  Speaker 2: The reason they do it today is is as a
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  Speaker 2: shiv in the ribs of the legacy of Columbus, who
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  Speaker 2: is apparently so very mean to people in discovering, helping
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  Speaker 2: to discover what became the greatest country the world has
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  Speaker 2: ever known.
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  Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi posted on her ex-account, on hashtag Indigenous Peoples Day,
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  Speaker 4: we celebrate the rich cultures and enduring contributions of Indigenous peoples.
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  Speaker 4: Today and every day, we reaffirm our respect for tribal
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  Speaker 4: sovereignty and our commitment to health care, education, and economic
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  Speaker 4: opportunity for all tribal communities. Now, I love the ratio
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  Speaker 4: she got. First response she got was, are you drunk already?
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  Speaker 4: It's Columbus Day, dum-dum. It's called Columbus Day. And then,
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  Speaker 4: of course, were all of the comments showing her as
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  Speaker 4: a Native American, you know, because, you know, of course,
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  Speaker 4: she was a fake. Here's shiny. Hey, dummy, the name
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  Speaker 4: of the federal holiday is Columbus. And it's the classic.
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  Speaker 4: was that legendary literary figure, Tony Soprano.
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  Speaker 3: We know him well, yes.
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  Speaker 4: In this household, Christopher Columbus is a hero. End of story.
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  Speaker 4: He said that. That was a very famous, because one
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  Speaker 4: of his kids was going down that stupid indigenous people route.
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  Speaker 4: And he said, no, no, no, it's Columbus Day. And
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  Speaker 4: in this household, Christopher Columbus is a hero.
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  Speaker 2: And he's a hero, and he should be. The heroic
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  Speaker 2: discovery of– and I know it wasn't discovered for humanity.
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  Speaker 2: There were human beings here. But the discovery opened this
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  Speaker 2: entire continent to the European world. And upon arrival of
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  Speaker 2: the European explorers and settlers, et cetera, that's how you
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  Speaker 2: get America. And it's an amazing thing that deserves to
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  Speaker 2: be celebrated. What you see with regard to Columbus and
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  Speaker 2: his legacy– is a horrible thing called presentism, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like racism, sexism. Presentism is a devotion to the ethos,
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  Speaker 2: the mores, the morality, the perceptions of the present and
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  Speaker 2: projecting them back centuries and centuries and centuries and bagging
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  Speaker 2: on Columbus because he didn't have 2026 style.
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  Speaker 3: Sensitivities.
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  Speaker 4: Excuse me. There's a great article by Daniel Flynn at
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  Speaker 4: National Review about the reason that Christopher Columbus is hated
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  Speaker 4: by the left. And he points out that those who
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  Speaker 4: celebrate Indigenous Peoples Day fixate upon Christopher Columbus's abduction and
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  Speaker 4: enslavement of natives. They shout down talk that the natives
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  Speaker 4: they celebrate abducted and enslaved and castrated and cannibalized other natives.
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  Speaker 4: So they weren't exactly at a tea party. The late
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  Speaker 4: Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States dismisses
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  Speaker 4: Christopher Columbus's discovery as lucky. Marxist critiques portray him as
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  Speaker 4: the top rung of the bourgeois. They ignore that, aside
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  Speaker 4: from the open ocean— This immigrant explorer faced death from mutineers,
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  Speaker 4: the attacking natives, New World diseases. I mean, he was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this guy was bold and brave. And they
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  Speaker 4: hate him. They hate everything they hate about him. All
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  Speaker 4: I know is if we come to a day where
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  Speaker 4: Ilhan Omar gets deported, it'll be Christmas. My gosh. How
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  Speaker 4: about Ilhan Omar's house being raided on Columbus Day?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did they circle this on the calendar and go, Bill,
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  Speaker 2: when should we raid Ilhan Omar's house?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Fred.
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  Speaker 2: How about Columbus Day? Where do you think this is
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  Speaker 2: going to go? Is this performative or is there something?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it all goes back to the marrying her brother,
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  Speaker 2: immigration fraud. controversy that's a possibility, I guess. It hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been proven. It hasn't been debunked. It lives in that ether,
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  Speaker 2: that netherworld. Where do you think this goes?
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  Speaker 4: And let's look at the reason supposedly for the raid.
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  Speaker 4: Ilhan Omar has always claimed she came to America as
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  Speaker 4: a child, and she was naturalized as a minor at
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  Speaker 4: age 17. But now documents are suggesting she may have
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  Speaker 4: been 18. Now, this is important because an adult Ilhan
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  Speaker 4: Omar would have to apply for citizenship herself and not
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  Speaker 4: be waived in as a minor dependent of her war
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  Speaker 4: criminal father. Her father is a war criminal. There's that
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  Speaker 4: fun fact. But that could– so that could be the–
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  Speaker 4: but listen. Can you– first of all, we– We can't
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  Speaker 4: be deporting a U.S. congresswoman. If we did, you want
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  Speaker 4: to talk about the you-know-what hitting the fan?
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my lord. I probably won't go anywhere, but it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of fun to dream.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you said we can't deport a U.S. congresswoman. Meaning,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, sure, we can if we can. But but
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  Speaker 3: that was just Trump.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: And that and would that be just if it is
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  Speaker 2: something the idea of it is compelling, but actually doing
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  Speaker 2: it might have way more negatives than positives.
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  Speaker 4: Well, like we always talk about, we're 22 days away
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  Speaker 4: from the midterms.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Let's not have any self-inflicted wounds.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And which is going to lead me to the Tallarico
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  Speaker 4: trauma that we've all been suffering through over the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: But look, I think the idea even that Ilhan Omar
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  Speaker 4: could be deported might just motivate people, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: to go into the ballot box and say, well, this
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  Speaker 4: is terrible. They're deporting a congresswoman. I mean, I don't know. She's...
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  Speaker 4: She's a piece of work.
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  Speaker 2: Unless– because you're right about that. Unless there's a mirror
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  Speaker 2: image of this because we talk about ICE. We talk
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  Speaker 2: about Ilhan Omar. We talk about all the things that
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to energize Democrats because they are so bad
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  Speaker 2: to them. Don't they similarly energize Republicans because they are
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  Speaker 2: so good? Isn't the notion that the imagery of actually
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  Speaker 2: coming after Ilhan Omar and deporting her, if she is
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  Speaker 2: so deserving, wouldn't that be the kind of thing that
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  Speaker 2: would make Republicans go.
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  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, we're on it, man. That's a two-way street.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I played a clip on the show of
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  Speaker 4: a guy, a former Democrat senator in Georgia. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: let me play this for you because I'm interested in
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  Speaker 4: what motivates people to go to the polls. He was
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  Speaker 4: making the case that we should know what we don't know,
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  Speaker 4: meaning you don't know who's going to show up. You
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  Speaker 4: don't really know with all these polls if Republicans are participating. Now,
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  Speaker 4: he says the weakness, and he's doing it for his side,
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  Speaker 4: he thinks that People are going to vote for Democrats
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  Speaker 4: because of Trump. It's always because of Trump. The old Trump,
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  Speaker 4: you know, derangement syndrome. Trump's going to motivate. So this
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  Speaker 4: is Jason Carter. He's a former Georgia senator, Democrat on
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  Speaker 4: CNN over the weekend. Listen to what he said about
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  Speaker 4: what we don't know about polling going into the midterm
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  Speaker 4: elections 22 days away.
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  Speaker 5: Is he helping anyone? I mean, I think he's helping
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  Speaker 5: Democrats in a lot of ways, right? I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: think one of the things that you have to know
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  Speaker 5: in this moment, and as we were all talking about polls,
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  Speaker 5: what no poll can predict is what is the population
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  Speaker 5: that's going to show up, right? That is the weakness
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  Speaker 5: of polling is we don't know who shows up on
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  Speaker 5: election day. And what Trump does, I think, is he
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  Speaker 5: juices the Republican turnout in ways that, as you were
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  Speaker 5: saying before, but he also juices the Democratic turnout, right?
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  Speaker 5: And I think the persuadable voters.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know what happened. It got cut off.
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  Speaker 4: Something happened there, got clipped at the end. But he
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  Speaker 4: said at the end the persuadable voters he thinks are
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  Speaker 4: going to be persuaded to vote Democrat because of Trump. Well,
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  Speaker 4: everything in their world is because of Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that I buy that because let's face it.
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  Speaker 4: Today's Democrat Party is as crazy as a political party
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  Speaker 4: has ever been in the history.
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  Speaker 1: Of the world.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And everything in our world is about Trump, too. It's
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  Speaker 2: funny that the Democrats are unanimous in their revulsion about Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Republicans are conflicted in our embrace of Trump. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't mean overall conflicted or 50-50 conflicted. I mean, there
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  Speaker 2: remains in the Republican voting public of the people available
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  Speaker 2: 22 days from now or earlier. voting whenever that starts.
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  Speaker 2: We love the borders. We love the law enforcement. We
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  Speaker 2: love crime getting better. We love gender sanity. We love
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  Speaker 2: environmental sanity. We love the pro-business perspectives. We love lower taxes.
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  Speaker 2: But the war and gas and affordability, those are still things.
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  Speaker 2: And there are even some Republicans who are going soft
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  Speaker 2: because of those things. And I worry about that.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're wrong. I think you're totally wrong. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: if you believe polling, it's 98 percent Republicans are on
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  Speaker 4: board with Donald Trump. It's not. There's no erosion. That's
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  Speaker 4: a narrative, Mark.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to overstate.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe I express.
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  Speaker 4: There's a narrative that says. But that's that plays right
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  Speaker 4: into the narrative that people are are waning in their
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  Speaker 4: level of support for Trump. I think people understand why
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  Speaker 4: we're at war with Iran. I mean, my gosh, I
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  Speaker 4: played a montage today of all the Democrats saying we
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  Speaker 4: better stop them. We better stop them. As recently as 2025,
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  Speaker 4: Chris Murphy was saying they're about to get a nuke.
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  Speaker 4: We got to stop this. So Trump does. And Americans
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  Speaker 4: get that. The Americans have some knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, golly, you give Americans too much credit. I think
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about two different groups of people. You're talking
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  Speaker 2: about steadfast Trump supporters that they have not been peeled
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  Speaker 2: away by Iran or affordability. I think you're 100 percent right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of that folks, not necessarily independents or folks
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  Speaker 2: in the mushy middle, but maybe folks who voted for
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  Speaker 2: him maybe three times and are thinking about voting Republican
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  Speaker 2: in the midterms. Sort of, kind of. They're just kind
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  Speaker 2: of center right. There's just sort of, you know, kind
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  Speaker 2: of flip flopping around, not as ideologically wired as those
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  Speaker 2: people who might be lured to the dark side because
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  Speaker 2: of war stuff and affordability stuff. Because you're right. I
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  Speaker 2: don't for a minute believe the narrative. That steadfast Trump
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  Speaker 2: support has somehow been whacked in half because of the
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  Speaker 2: war or affordability.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think people are going to let themselves
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  Speaker 4: get lured to the dark side. If they are right
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  Speaker 4: of center, they've got a degree of common sense. You
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  Speaker 4: can't ignore what today's Democrat Party.
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  Speaker 3: Has turned into.
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  Speaker 4: There's no way around it. I mean, we've just got
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  Speaker 4: to hope and pray. Now, I am very intrigued by
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  Speaker 4: this Tallarico story and who it helps and who it hurts.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, let's go back here. And I don't
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  Speaker 4: even understand who the actual players are. Nick Sorter and
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  Speaker 4: then some other guy I've never heard of. The other
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  Speaker 4: guy that I've never heard of is the guy who
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  Speaker 4: made the call to the mental health facility in Mason, Ohio.
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  Speaker 4: And he supposedly gets a lady on the phone and
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  Speaker 4: first asks, is my cousin James Tallarico there? I'm trying
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  Speaker 4: to send him some letters. And she wouldn't give him
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  Speaker 4: any information because he needed a code. Well, then he
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  Speaker 4: supposedly called back and gave a fake code. And in
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  Speaker 4: that conversation, which I heard, and I'm sure you heard
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  Speaker 4: it too, she said, oh, James Tallarico, he was discharged,
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  Speaker 4: I think she said this evening or earlier today. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And they posted that. They posted that video online. Facility
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  Speaker 4: is denying that Tallarico received treatment there. They're very precise
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  Speaker 4: in their verbiage.
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  Speaker 3: Very lawyerly.
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  Speaker 4: Probably have to be because of HIPAA stuff. But you
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  Speaker 4: and I were texting about this back and forth over
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  Speaker 4: the weekend. You kept telling me, Mike, I think this
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  Speaker 4: thing's falling apart. I'm not sure this is credible. And
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  Speaker 4: then you came to the conclusion that it was debunked. Well,
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  Speaker 4: ain't nobody saying it's debunked even as we speak right now.
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  Speaker 4: They're saying it's not debunked. What's been debunked?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you can't prove a negative, but the story has collapsed.
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  Speaker 2: The validity of it, the veracity of it is simply
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  Speaker 2: dying on the line.
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  Speaker 4: Well, so then what is it? A fake? Is it
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  Speaker 4: an AI conversation?
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  Speaker 3: Don't know. Don't know. Some type of fraud.
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  Speaker 4: Well, theorize for me. Theorize for me. What do you
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  Speaker 4: think it is? I mean, you think Nick Sorter, who
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  Speaker 4: I was on a panel with a couple weeks ago
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  Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, he's got– well, he's involved in this
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  Speaker 4: up to his eyeballs.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he accepted the– who is this guy? Is it M. Amaker,
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  Speaker 3: Reed Amaker, whatever, Ryan Amaker?
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know his name.
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  Speaker 2: He apparently shopped it to some other people who didn't
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  Speaker 2: take it because they thought, well, there's just not enough
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  Speaker 2: there there. We're also maybe concerned that you broke the law.
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  Speaker 2: in trying to get this information in the first place
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  Speaker 2: on a false pretense. But Nick, whatever you want to
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  Speaker 2: say about Nick, and I've been generally been a fan,
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  Speaker 2: accepted this, ran with it and offered it as breaking exclusive.
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  Speaker 2: It's confirmed that he was at this mental hospital. Nothing
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  Speaker 2: is confirmed. It's one piece of tape that no one
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  Speaker 2: has verified. The place itself denies that they even had
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  Speaker 2: him there. And so it stank to high heaven for
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  Speaker 2: me from the very, very get go. Now, the nuts
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  Speaker 2: and bolts of how we wind up with something that
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  Speaker 2: sounds like a stumbling illiterate calling a mental health facility
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  Speaker 2: asking about James Tallarico.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You'll have to ask them how they put this little
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  Speaker 2: fraud together, if that's what it is.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, if that's what it is, they're ruined.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they don't have any credibility left.
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  Speaker 3: It's just this guy. Who are you talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Nick Sorter and the other guy, the independent journalist.
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  Speaker 4: Here's how that breaks down. Independent journalist is a tough
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  Speaker 4: business card these days. There are those worthy of praise
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  Speaker 4: and those who are shysters. The guy who did the call...
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  Speaker 4: is either a huge hero or in huge trouble. Nick
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  Speaker 4: made the decision to accept his work and offer it
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  Speaker 4: as gospel.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that was just bad judgment. I think Nick's going
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  Speaker 2: to be okay. This guy, I don't know. Ultimately, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a one-day story, but an interesting and bizarre day.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting and bizarre, and it's interesting and bizarre
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  Speaker 4: to see how we react to it all because, again,
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  Speaker 4: I get back to the fundamental question, does this hurt
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  Speaker 4: or help does this hurt or help Paxton? And I
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  Speaker 4: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's over.
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  Speaker 2: I think if we learn, well, listen, we had an interesting,
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  Speaker 2: I think you either online or to me, I forget
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  Speaker 2: the line blurs. said that just let's say that the
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  Speaker 2: story was real, that he had secured some type of
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  Speaker 2: mental health treatment for some crisis. Fetterman had a stroke,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't barely talk and won. He had the Thomas Eagleton
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  Speaker 2: thing in 1972. Texans are different.
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  Speaker 3: We are. And I'm exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know how that would have gone since
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  Speaker 2: that story seems to be eroding. We're probably back to semi-normal,
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  Speaker 2: whatever passes for normal in this race. And it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be Tallarico's ideas versus Paxton's ideas, which makes me
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  Speaker 2: like our chances.
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  Speaker 4: And what happens in the world of AI? I spent
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  Speaker 4: the weekend in New York City and I had dinner
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  Speaker 4: with one of my kids yesterday. Saturday night, and he
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: and his wife are both just frantic about where AI
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: is going to lead us. And these are some real
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: profound questions that are being raised. Well, that's a question
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: that Craig W. Stanfill asked at the heart of his
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: new thriller, a book called Carbon Zero. It begins with
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: what seems like an innocent request. Some brilliant young AI
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: researcher says, hey, AI, stop global warming. Instead of treating
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: it like a joke, The AI gets to work. It's
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: a page turner. It is a novel that you cannot
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: put down. And Mark, you and I are both, we've
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: been fascinated by the Carbon Zero experience as more and
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  Speaker 4: more of our podcast fans have been getting their own
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  Speaker 2: If as a reader, you kind of like the idea
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: of dystopian societies where things just go horribly wrong and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: how does society deal with it? That is the case
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: in Carbon Zero, which is, as you describe, a case
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: where somebody has AI go do something that seems noble. Gee,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: what could go wrong? The answer is plenty. And the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: way that plays out is an incredibly compelling story. And
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: it's all fed by the firsthand knowledge in the AI
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: world of Craig W.
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  Speaker 3: Stanfill. So check it out. Carbon Zero.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Just grab it wherever fine books are found. Carbon Zero
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: by Craig Stanfill. And just enjoy it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Read it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: There's a movie in this if somebody wants to do
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: a screenplay. I would love to see that because it
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: was very visual to me in reading it. I could
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: sort of see it all play out.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Amazon. Go to Amazon. Look for Craig W. Stanfill. Look
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: for Carbon Zero at Amazon or wherever great books are sold. Amazon. Man,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: I tell you, I cannot... There are times when it
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: just takes my breath away how convenient life is for
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: us these days. I needed a stepstool in my new apartment.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I moved, you know, a couple weeks ago. And I
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: don't have– I didn't have– I have like a ladder,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: but I need like a, just a little tiny little stepstool.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: 10 o'clock at night, I realized I needed the stepstool.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: In the old world, you're screwed. You'd have to go
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: to a store the following day. You don't even know
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: if they have it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Five in the morning, it's outside my door. Five in
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: the morning, within hours. I mean, it's crazy how convenient
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: life has become and how accessible things are and just
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: how much better our lives are today than they were
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: just five years ago.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Except, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And I could tell that story 500 times. And yet
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: two things occur to me. Stores haven't disappeared, right? They
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: still exist because, I mean, you did that, but there
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: is some store down the street that you did not frequent.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And I wonder what the Amazon effect is on that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: It's on everything, Mark. It's on everything, every cab ride
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: you take. I mean, I was in New York City
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: over the weekend. There's still yellow cabs out there. That
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: industry has been crushed by Uber. Uber is going to
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: get crushed by Waymo and RoboTaxi.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: It's a domino effect. And the other thing on Amazon,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: this is so weird. We were talking about this literally
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: because we had a pretty busy Amazon week last week.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It was a lot of stuff that Lisa needed, a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff that I needed. And, okay, on the environment,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I love a clean, pristine planet. Man-made global warming is
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: a total hoax. But I want to treat the planet well.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I want to– God made this planet. It's our job
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to take good care of the planet. Do you know
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: where I'm going? You want to be a good steward.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I want to be a good steward of the planet.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: That step stool of yours, it come in a big
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: old box?
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Sure did.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Big cardboard box.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: We had probably– and then you break down the boxes.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I probably had three or four feet of broken down
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: boxes to put in my recycling after one recent week.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: And I just got to thinking of my household plus
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a million others– And I know that it is recycled, right?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: So that is better than just throwing stuff in the trash.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: But as far as the trees needed for this and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the boxes that are being thrown away, good Lord. And
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: then it's kind of funny. You just right there seconds ago,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: that big plastic water bottle that you just took a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: big honking snort out of. Are you a bottled water
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: person at home? I bring in a case every four
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: or five days. Good grief, what are we doing to
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the planet?
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying. And a lot of it's geographic. When
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: I moved from New York to Florida, I'll never forget
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: how shocked I was that when the condo that I
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: bought I wanted to know where I'm supposed to put
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the recycling because in New York City, that's a huge thing.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: You get fined. You get arrested. You don't put the–
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you don't follow the recycling rules. Well, the lady that
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: ran the condo board looked at me like I was
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: crazy and she said, we don't recycle here.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I said, excuse me.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, no. They don't do any recycling. It all goes
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: into the garbage.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I said, well, what about like my plastics and my– no, no.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: She just put it in the trash. And that was
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: just a couple of years ago. They don't they're not
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: real big at recycling. And now it depends, I think,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: in some communities, some might be more maybe prone to
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: recycle than others. But it's very it is very geographic.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Florida is a red state. And there's just a lot
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: of people that kind of look at that as a
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: political issue. And they're like, you know, it's going to
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: go out in the wash anyway. So I don't know.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I have no idea. No, I don't either. Hey, can
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I bring back Bill Maher for a moment? I tweeted
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: something over the weekend on X and said, you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: the unlikely voice of reason rears his head again. Does
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: it every week? He does it every week. You know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: a week or two ago, Trump gave a speech. Where
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: they just lied about what he said. He was warning
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: America what would happen if Los Angeles or San Diego,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: God forbid, got nuked. And everybody knew what he was saying.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: And then they ran with it. Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: they all ran with it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: The 25th Amendment, he's inviting the terrorists to attack Los
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Angeles and San Diego.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Which was a lie.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Of course it was.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: So here was Bill Maher over the weekend on Real Time.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: That was not even the most controversial thing the president
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: said this week. We know here in Los Angeles what
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: that was. Well, you know, let's be fair. He wasn't
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: trying to say, he said, let them, let them, let
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: them take out Los Angeles. He was saying, you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: gas prices are too high, the small price. He wasn't
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: saying that, that we were encouraging Iran. But still, you
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: don't want to say that to people in the city.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: We live here.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Let them take out Los Angeles. Karen Bass, our mayor,
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: was very upset. She immediately got on the phone with
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: her travel agent.
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  Speaker 3: That's it, man.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I love him. But a little common sense. And what
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I love is I know how many lefties probably watch him.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: And then they hear him say that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: They don't like it. They don't like it. He is
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: despised on the.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Left by some who just don't have a sense of
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: humor or a shred of common sense DNA.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Maybe you're right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: But listen, the Bill Maher observation of late is that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: all the Republicans will come and sit down with him.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: They'll come sit down on his podcast, Club Random. They'll
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: come on Beyond Real Time. And all he wants to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: do is talk to people. But the lefties, the big
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: icons of the left, they will not go on that
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: show because they know they will be asked relatively challenging
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: questions by him.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: And they ain't nobody got time for that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: You just hurt my heart when you said all he
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: wants to do is talk to people because you know
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: who I thought of as soon as you said that?
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: Charlie.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I just thought of Charlie Kirk.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I just thought of Charlie.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: All he wanted to do was go to college campuses
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: and talk to kids, and he would try to persuade them,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: and he would let them try to persuade him, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: they killed him for that. And I just can't. Gosh,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: it just hurts my heart and my aching heart, which,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: by the way, tomorrow, thank you, I'm getting in to
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: see the wizard cardiologist. I got in to see the
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: guy that I had wanted. This is the guy that's
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: supposed to be world-renowned. I've got all these questions for him.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: And I read about a new drug that I'm going
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: to start taking that, get this, supposedly has a 60th
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: of the– they did a sample or whatever you call it,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: a study of 65– This drug, Repatha, it's a shot. 65%
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: of the men my age who took this drug had
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: a pretty significant reduction in their arterial plaque.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Isn't that pretty cool?
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: There's some hope. But it was funny. I'm supposed to
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: see this doctor, and I get into the office a
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: week or two ago, and all they give me was
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: the physician assistant. Not that there's anything wrong with her.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Well, I was like, wait a minute. Why didn't you
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: give me the doctor? And so then I said, well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: can I see the doctor? I'm nothing against you. And
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: she's the one, by the way, I said to her, okay,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I've got a 52% blockage in this widow maker in
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: the LAD. I said, uh, am I in crisis? Should
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I be worried? Mark? She didn't like encourage me at all.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't say no.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: She never said no.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: That's when you go to muse and the little, and
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  Speaker 4: Exactly. Well, anyway, I'm going to see the main guy tomorrow,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: so that'll be good. I've got a bunch of questions
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  Speaker 4: Okay. Sure.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Number one, is Trump or is he not starting to
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: distance from the notion of live streaming the execution?
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, he is. Axios reports that four different sources to
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Mark Caputo at Axios say that he is starting to
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: chill on the idea and is probably thinking it's not
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: such a good idea.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You predicted with me on our radio segment, 735, this morning.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: You predicted the live stream will not happen.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Not going to happen.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I tend to think that's thoroughly plausible and it will
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: take the place of one of those things. There have
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: been a few of these where the administration comes at
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: you like a fire hose. Here's something we might do.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: And then they kind of dial it back a little bit.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And they suppose that they garner the benefit of having
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: been the people who are so willing to share this
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: stark imagery that at least they considered it for a
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: little while. But I think you're probably right. That the
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: execution will happen. Well, listen, I guess it will. Do
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: you fear that the execution itself might get delayed?
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. This is a federal military matter.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: This is a lot different than what we're used to
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: in the criminal or even the civil courts. And on
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the military level, I think it's going to be happening
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: in December. It's going to happen at Fort Hood. I
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: think it's– isn't it going to happen on the anniversary
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: of the day that he did this?
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. It's at the exact time of day,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: 1 p.m.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Or time of day. Time of day that it happened.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: At the place it happened at the time it happened.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: But it sounds like people are sort of starting to
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: recoil at the idea of a– Look, I didn't love
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: it when I first heard it myself. I thought, come on,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: you know, are we really going to do this? We're
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: going to live stream a guy? And I forgot, is
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: he in a wheelchair?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because there was a police response. They didn't
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: kill him, but they disabled him.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Good.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Which I don't care about one bit.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: No, I don't either. But let's look at the optics
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: of that. People have been on the left or whining, oh,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: you're going to wheel a guy out in a wheelchair
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: and execute him and put that on live stream?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Yep, sure are.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Well, why not? Why not? And why not let's do
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: this again tomorrow? What do you say, Mr.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Davis?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Let's do it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: In fact, this is good because the timing of this,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: and it's not like it's still going to be a
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: story tomorrow, but I took a little.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Leap with this on the radio today about the Kelly
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Clarkson at the store in Brooklyn. Has anybody ever flamed
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a business online? There's a difference between a regular person
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: doing it and somebody with 8 million followers. Maybe that's
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: one of the 12 things we can do tomorrow.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Sounds like a plan. Have a great Monday. Happy Columbus Day,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: or as Nancy Pelosi would say it, Happy Indigenous People Day.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I'll see you tomorrow.