Latest / DISGRACELAND / Bonus Episode: A Tribute to Dolly Parton
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life?
- 0:05Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too.
- 0:08Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
- 0:12Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
- 0:30Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
- 0:32Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
- 0:33Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
- 0:35Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
- 0:38Speaker 1: into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth and
- 0:40Speaker 1: to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this
- 0:42Speaker 1: bonus episode, we pay tribute to one of the greatest
- 0:45Speaker 1: songwriters to ever put pen to paper, to ever pick
- 0:48Speaker 1: up a guitar, to ever sing into a microphone. One
- 0:52Speaker 1: of the all time great human beings, As well, Dolly Parton.
- 0:56Speaker 1: We're going to take a trip into the punk scenes
- 0:58Speaker 1: that you love and discuss what killed them. and what
- 1:01Speaker 1: kept them alive. We're also talking Alice Bagg in L.A.
- 1:04Speaker 1: Punk Rock. And we've got a new episode of our
- 1:07Speaker 1: video podcast. This film should be played loud to preview. Plus,
- 1:10Speaker 1: we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always,
- 1:13Speaker 1: a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for
- 1:15Speaker 1: the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know
- 1:18Speaker 1: that the best history is the history that gets buried.
- 1:21Speaker 1: Disgraceland is where I tell the stories you'll end up
- 1:23Speaker 1: telling to someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.
- 1:41Speaker 1: So Dolly Parton passed away this week. Of all the
- 1:44Speaker 1: musicians that we've covered who have died since we launched
- 1:48Speaker 1: this podcast, this one feels different. And that's because Dolly
- 1:52Speaker 1: Parton was so different in every way. From every one
- 1:56Speaker 1: of her contemporaries, she was different. From every one of
- 1:58Speaker 1: her predecessors, her protégés. The thing that made Dolly Parton
- 2:03Speaker 1: so different, it wasn't necessarily her music or her persona
- 2:08Speaker 1: or her image. It was her grace. I can't think
- 2:13Speaker 1: of another musician who lived with so much grace as
- 2:17Speaker 1: Dolly Parton did, who put love and specifically empathy into
- 2:21Speaker 1: nearly every move that she made. At least it seemed
- 2:24Speaker 1: like that. And I'm not just talking about her charitable work,
- 2:28Speaker 1: which is worth taking a serious look at and that
- 2:31Speaker 1: we'll get into in just a moment. But I'm talking
- 2:34Speaker 1: about the way that she interacted with other artists, the
- 2:37Speaker 1: way in which she connected with the public. how she spoke, performed,
- 2:43Speaker 1: wrote songs. If there's one singular quality to Dolly Parton,
- 2:49Speaker 1: it's grace. When you watch her, you can feel the empathy.
- 2:52Speaker 1: You can almost see the Dolly antenna fine-tuned to the
- 2:57Speaker 1: needs of others. You can see it in those great
- 3:00Speaker 1: late-night talk show interviews on Johnny Carson and David Letterman.
- 3:03Speaker 1: You can see it in the award show acceptance speeches
- 3:06Speaker 1: and to the rock and roll and country halls of
- 3:08Speaker 1: fame at the Grammys. presenting an award to Whitney Houston,
- 3:12Speaker 1: to someone else for a song that she wrote. You
- 3:16Speaker 1: can hear it in her biggest hits, I Will Always
- 3:18Speaker 1: Love You and Jolene. You can feel it in her
- 3:20Speaker 1: duets with Willie Nelson and Kenny Rogers, in her collaborations
- 3:24Speaker 1: with other female artists, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Miley Cyrus,
- 3:28Speaker 1: and Nora Jones. You can see it in her big
- 3:31Speaker 1: screen performances, Steel Magnolias and 9 to 5. You can
- 3:34Speaker 1: watch it on the small screen on her TV specials,
- 3:37Speaker 1: her variety show, on old episodes of Hee Haw or
- 3:41Speaker 1: the Porter Wagoner Show. And hell, you can even see
- 3:43Speaker 1: it in her guest spots on The Muppet Show with
- 3:46Speaker 1: Kermit and Miss Piggy. It's always Dolly Parton making other
- 3:50Speaker 1: people feel good, making us feel good, always. Even now,
- 3:55Speaker 1: at the time of her death, when we think about her,
- 3:57Speaker 1: we feel good. That's not an accident. That's intentional. That's grace.
- 4:04Speaker 1: And Dolly Parton had more of it than any successful
- 4:07Speaker 1: artist for music history that I can think of. She
- 4:10Speaker 1: will be deeply missed, and she will never be replaced.
- 4:15Speaker 1: There's a lot being said about the trailblazing nature of
- 4:19Speaker 1: Dolly's career, the way in which she modeled self-worth for
- 4:22Speaker 1: future generations of women, and that should not be overlooked.
- 4:26Speaker 1: She stared down Colonel Tom Parker, turned down Elvis Presley,
- 4:30Speaker 1: broke free from Porter Wagoner, and she did it all
- 4:33Speaker 1: with a smile on her face. But Dolly Parton was
- 4:36Speaker 1: more than just a feminist. She was a humanist, a
- 4:39Speaker 1: model for all of us, not just women, not just musicians,
- 4:42Speaker 1: not just Southerners, not just music fans, not just country
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- 5:03Speaker 1: I can't think of another person who better modeled all
- 5:06Speaker 1: of these things than Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton credited her
- 5:10Speaker 1: faith for the reason her heart was so big saying
- 5:14Speaker 1: she was open to quote everybody in everything unquote, man,
- 5:20Speaker 1: I wish I had that quality on his face. You know,
- 5:24Speaker 1: we think about that, you know, I saying she was
- 5:27Speaker 1: open to everybody in everything. You know, I, I like
- 5:32Speaker 1: to think that I'm that way. We all like to
- 5:34Speaker 1: think that we're that way. But you go out into
- 5:37Speaker 1: the world and that goodwill, that openness to others, it
- 5:41Speaker 1: can be hard to summon. Life's little annoyances, the impatience
- 5:46Speaker 1: we encounter from other people, the dismissiveness, the unnecessary attitudes,
- 5:52Speaker 1: the judgment, our own imperfections, our own shortcomings, our own judgment.
- 5:58Speaker 1: the cynicism of modern life, the world's natural injustices, the
- 6:02Speaker 1: pigs in power, all of it, life has a way
- 6:05Speaker 1: of closing your heart to everybody and everything, not opening it,
- 6:10Speaker 1: as Dolly Parton said. Again, she said, my heart is
- 6:13Speaker 1: open to everybody and everything. That is grace. Dolly Parton
- 6:19Speaker 1: broke free from generational poverty and created generational wealth. She
- 6:24Speaker 1: died with a net worth of $ 650 million. and gave
- 6:28Speaker 1: away hundreds of millions of dollars to various charities along
- 6:31Speaker 1: the way throughout her life. She gifted over 300 million
- 6:35Speaker 1: books to children worldwide, provided millions in scholarships, donated to
- 6:40Speaker 1: local hospitals, schools, businesses, kids in her community who needed
- 6:43Speaker 1: a hand, disaster relief, and way more. Dolly Parton was
- 6:47Speaker 1: good to people because Dolly Parton believed in, as she said,
- 6:51Speaker 1: the goodness of people. And man, all of us could
- 6:55Speaker 1: benefit from being more like Dolly Parton, from having even
- 7:00Speaker 1: just a small percentage of the grace Dolly Parton lived with.
- 7:06Speaker 1: I sometimes fantasize about hosting a different podcast, one that
- 7:10Speaker 1: isn't based largely on the dark and evil transgressions from
- 7:14Speaker 1: music history. One that isn't focused so often on the
- 7:17Speaker 1: shittiness and narcissism of so many musicians, but that is
- 7:21Speaker 1: instead based on the good that musicians put into the world.
- 7:24Speaker 1: The grace. Of course, instead of calling it Disgraceland, we'll
- 7:29Speaker 1: call it Graceland. Or maybe we should just call it Dollyland.
- 7:33Speaker 1: Rest in peace, Dolly Parton. So, you know, the way
- 7:41Speaker 1: Dolly lived.
- 7:44Speaker 1: You might not know it from that tribute that I
- 7:48Speaker 1: just paid to her. She's fucking hysterical. There's so many
- 7:53Speaker 1: funny stories popping up. There's one here I'm going to read.
- 7:59Speaker 1: Matt sent us a bunch this morning. This one's so good.
- 8:05Speaker 1: On the set of 9 to 5, the director raised
- 8:08Speaker 1: his voice at Dolly Parton in front of the whole
- 8:10Speaker 1: crew saying something like, I don't know why they hired
- 8:13Speaker 1: you for this film. You can't even act. And she responded,
- 8:16Speaker 1: they hired me because I'm Dolly Parton and they hired
- 8:19Speaker 1: you to make it look like I can act. I
- 8:22Speaker 1: love that. And there's way funnier stuff that's out there
- 8:26Speaker 1: making the rounds right now. People are online talking about it.
- 8:29Speaker 1: So we're going to dive into some of the funnier stuff,
- 8:31Speaker 1: some of the levity connected to Dolly Parton in the
- 8:33Speaker 1: exclusive section of this after party. Zeth and I, Zeth's
- 8:35Speaker 1: out there pounding the pavement, trying to get some stuff
- 8:37Speaker 1: for you that hopefully you haven't seen yet. We'll talk
- 8:40Speaker 1: about that in the exclusive section of the After Party.
- 8:42Speaker 1: Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up, get exclusive content like this,
- 8:46Speaker 1: plus ad-free listening.
- 8:49Speaker 2: All right.
- 8:50Speaker 1: In the feed right now, we have our Alice Bag episode.
- 8:54Speaker 1: If you're a Spotify listener, check it out. Listen, apologies, man.
- 8:59Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 9:00Speaker 1: We don't have an explanation, but it didn't publish to
- 9:02Speaker 1: Spotify until late, late, late Tuesday night. Almost 24 hours later.
- 9:09Speaker 1: from when it normally posts. And we don't know why.
- 9:11Speaker 1: It was just Spotify. It hit everywhere else on Apple Podcasts.
- 9:14Speaker 1: So if you haven't heard the Alice Bag episode, if
- 9:17Speaker 1: you don't have it, if you're like, what the fuck
- 9:18Speaker 1: is he talking about? Check your feed. You should have it.
- 9:21Speaker 1: Refresh your feed. Spotify listeners especially, everybody else, there were
- 9:27Speaker 1: some operational gremlins in the background. So I don't know.
- 9:30Speaker 1: If you're on another player and you don't have it, again,
- 9:33Speaker 1: refresh your feed or close your app and reopen it
- 9:37Speaker 1: and let us know. if you got it, if you didn't,
- 9:40Speaker 1: of course, and we'll, we'll make sure you, you, you
- 9:42Speaker 1: hear this story. The story is great. It deals with
- 9:45Speaker 1: serial killers that haunted, uh, the LA punk venue, the
- 9:49Speaker 1: mask and how one singer, you can guess who Alice
- 9:52Speaker 1: bag in that scene led an army of punks to defend, themselves, basically.
- 9:58Speaker 1: This is a story of how punk rock took root
- 10:00Speaker 1: in LA at the same time, like I said, that
- 10:02Speaker 1: a killer began to terrorize the city. It's a story
- 10:04Speaker 1: of an underground club where bands like the Bags and
- 10:07Speaker 1: the Germs got their start. If you don't know who
- 10:08Speaker 1: the Germs are, and you're a Foo Fighters fan, that's
- 10:12Speaker 1: Pat Smear's first band, all right? It's also the story
- 10:15Speaker 1: of that club I just mentioned, The Mask, turned up dead,
- 10:18Speaker 1: strangled and dumped on a freeway off-ramp near Griffith Park.
- 10:21Speaker 1: It's a story about the murders of 10 young women,
- 10:24Speaker 1: all of them killed within the span of four months.
- 10:27Speaker 1: The murders sent Los Angeles into a paranoid frenzy, and
- 10:30Speaker 1: it fortified the community of punk rockers who did, I guess,
- 10:34Speaker 1: what comes naturally to people in marginalized scenes, in underground scenes,
- 10:40Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. They found strength in
- 10:42Speaker 1: numbers and And they look to the guidance of one
- 10:44Speaker 1: of their protectors, a punk who wore a paper bag
- 10:47Speaker 1: over her head. Again, you can guess who. This is
- 10:49Speaker 1: the story of Alice Bag, leader of the seminal L.A.
- 10:53Speaker 1: punk band called The Bags. And it's the story of L.A.
- 10:56Speaker 1: punk rock being born in the shadow of the Hillside Strangler.
- 10:59Speaker 1: Make sure you check that out. Alice Bag, that's available
- 11:02Speaker 1: for you right now in Disgraceland. That's this week. We
- 11:06Speaker 1: were planning in the rewind slot to feature Billie Holiday,
- 11:08Speaker 1: but we're going to sideline Lady Day. and go with
- 11:13Speaker 1: dolly part we're going to rewind dolly part and even
- 11:15Speaker 1: though we released this episode a couple months ago at
- 11:17Speaker 1: this point we're going to re-release it for obvious reasons
- 11:21Speaker 1: in the rewind slot i don't care if you listen
- 11:23Speaker 1: to this when it came out listen to it again
- 11:25Speaker 1: you're going to be listening again through the lens of
- 11:30Speaker 1: dolly in a new light having you know because of
- 11:32Speaker 1: the fact that she just passed away all right if
- 11:34Speaker 1: you want to hear about dolly's rise from poverty And
- 11:37Speaker 1: if you haven't heard this episode and you want to
- 11:38Speaker 1: know more about Dolly Parton, you want to hear about
- 11:40Speaker 1: Dolly Parton's rise from poverty in Appalachia, the threats against
- 11:44Speaker 1: her life that she overcame, the murder ballads that informed
- 11:47Speaker 1: not only her music, but how she navigated a male-dominated
- 11:50Speaker 1: music industry, then you have got to listen to the
- 11:53Speaker 1: Dolly Parton episode in Disgraceland coming at you this weekend
- 11:56Speaker 1: in the Rewind slot. Question of the week this week
- 11:59Speaker 1: is about Dolly Parton. Is Dolly Parton on the top
- 12:02Speaker 1: five list of greatest American songwriters of all time? And
- 12:06Speaker 1: if she's not, Who is it that is keeping her
- 12:09Speaker 1: off of that list? Give us a call at 617-906-6638.
- 12:11Speaker 1: Leave a voicemail for us. Let us know what you think.
- 12:16Speaker 1: Let us know your answer. Send us a text as well, 617-906-6638.
- 12:19Speaker 1: You can also email us at disgracelandpod at gmail.com or
- 12:25Speaker 1: hit us on the socials at disgracelandpod. Jump into the
- 12:29Speaker 1: melee on Instagram. Let us know and you might hear
- 12:32Speaker 1: your answer on next week's after party. All right, this
- 12:34Speaker 1: goes your answers to last week's question of the week.
- 12:37Speaker 1: with your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more coming up right
- 12:39Speaker 1: after this. All right, Jolene. Jolene, I will always love you.
- 12:56Speaker 1: We are back.
- 12:59Speaker 4: 617-906-6638.
- 12:59Speaker 1: Last week's question of the week relative to our Disgraceland episode.
- 13:03Speaker 1: on Alice Bag was, what music scene do you wish
- 13:06Speaker 1: you could go back in time to witness, and what
- 13:08Speaker 1: artists deserve more recognition from those scenes? Let's hear from
- 13:12Speaker 1: Neil in the 514. Hey Jake, it's.
- 13:17Speaker 5: Neil from the 514, long time listener. I was just
- 13:21Speaker 5: listening to your bonus episode, and a question about scenes
- 13:27Speaker 5: and unrecognized artists. I'm in Montreal, and We have some
- 13:33Speaker 5: quite well-known artists from the mid-2000s from here that everyone knows.
- 13:38Speaker 5: Wolf Grey, everyone knows Arcade Fire, everyone knows Grimes.
- 13:43Speaker 1: Love the show.
- 13:44Speaker 2: Rock and roll.
- 13:44Speaker 1: All right, Neil, thank you from Montreal. I never think
- 13:49Speaker 1: of Montreal, man. I apologize. I don't think of Canada
- 13:53Speaker 1: when I think of great music scenes. I really don't.
- 13:55Speaker 1: But you're laying it out here for us. Mid-2000s Montreal,
- 13:58Speaker 1: Arcade Fire, Wolf Parade, Grimes. I really don't consider Canada
- 14:05Speaker 1: when I consider it's stupid. I literally just had to
- 14:08Speaker 1: look up earlier, Neil, when I was thinking of great
- 14:12Speaker 1: American songwriters relative to Dolly Parton. I was singing to
- 14:15Speaker 1: Leonard Cohen, and I was like, wait, he's not American.
- 14:17Speaker 1: He's Canadian, right? Let's check out this call from Junior
- 14:21Speaker 1: and the 714 talking about dueling brothers. We were talking
- 14:25Speaker 1: about this last week in regards to Shitman. I don't
- 14:28Speaker 1: know how it came up. I think we got into
- 14:30Speaker 1: Oasis and Black Crowes. Junior, what say you?
- 14:34Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, this is Junior714.
- 14:37Speaker 3: Dueling Brothers, I don't know if you got to them,
- 14:40Speaker 3: but the Blasters down in California, late 70s, early 80s,
- 14:44Speaker 3: rockabilly roots. Those brothers were incredible, but they were at
- 14:48Speaker 3: each other's throat 90% of the time. A band that
- 14:52Speaker 3: is essential to a scene, the Cadillac Tramps, early 90s,
- 14:56Speaker 3: Orange County, Los Angeles, when rockabilly, ska, and punk all
- 15:00Speaker 3: lived harmoniously together. The Tramps were on top, unfortunately didn't
- 15:06Speaker 3: make it. They're still playing to this day under the
- 15:10Speaker 3: Cadillac Hearst as their.
- 15:12Speaker 4: Singer passed away eight years ago. Johnny Tubac, their guitar player,
- 15:16Speaker 4: is currently playing for the past 20 plus years with
- 15:20Speaker 4: Social Distortion. But the Cadillac Tramps, incredible punk, rock, roots, blues.
- 15:26Speaker 4: If you haven't heard of them, check them out. Take
- 15:28Speaker 4: it easy, Jake. Keep doing what you're doing.
- 15:30Speaker 1: Later. Junior, really, really appreciate the call, man. Cadillac Tramps.
- 15:35Speaker 1: I don't know this band, but I'm psyched to listen
- 15:39Speaker 1: to them. Thank you. I know the Blasters well, and
- 15:43Speaker 1: this dovetails nicely with the Alice Bag story because they
- 15:46Speaker 1: were around in LA, part of that early punk scene.
- 15:49Speaker 1: Of course, they were not a punk. Well, I mean,
- 15:52Speaker 1: in spirit, they were punk, but they kind of totally
- 15:56Speaker 1: exemplify what we now call Americana music. American music there.
- 16:04Speaker 1: Is that a full length or collection? I can't remember.
- 16:06Speaker 1: I used to have it. I have it somewhere. I
- 16:08Speaker 1: had it on CD. Blasters are incredible. I played with
- 16:11Speaker 1: the blasters when they reunited in the aughts at some
- 16:15Speaker 1: point I played with, played with Dave Alvin solo in Europe.
- 16:21Speaker 1: And I played, like I said, I played with the
- 16:23Speaker 1: blasters when they, they did a reunion tour sometime in
- 16:25Speaker 1: the aughts in Boston at the paradise. And I was backstage. Actually,
- 16:30Speaker 1: the guitar I'm looking at right now, it's about two
- 16:32Speaker 1: feet from me. I was talking about this in one
- 16:34Speaker 1: of the episodes with Zeth recently, my Gibson J180. Oh, yeah,
- 16:37Speaker 1: in regards to Dueling Brothers, in regards to the Everly Brothers.
- 16:42Speaker 1: I was talking, yeah, so you know, Junior, that's why
- 16:44Speaker 1: you're calling. And the guitar I was talking about, the
- 16:48Speaker 1: one that's based on the Don Everly Ike guitar, my
- 16:52Speaker 1: Gibson J180, Phil Alvin loved it. And he... we were backstage,
- 16:59Speaker 1: he picked it up and he was showing me how
- 17:00Speaker 1: to play claw, what he called claw hammer blues. Other
- 17:03Speaker 1: people call it that as well. And he was, uh,
- 17:06Speaker 1: he was really beating the shit out of my guitar,
- 17:08Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, but he's playing it like a motherfucker.
- 17:13Speaker 1: That was a good memory. Thanks for reminding me of it.
- 17:15Speaker 1: Appreciate it. And if anybody has not heard the blasters
- 17:18Speaker 1: or Dave Alvin, there's some Dave Alvin solo stuff too.
- 17:20Speaker 1: That's just fucking great. Anyways, check that out. Blasters, American music.
- 17:26Speaker 1: Let's go back to this topic of scenes and check
- 17:30Speaker 1: in with the 864.
- 17:30Speaker 6: Hey Jake, this is Mary. I'm from South Carolina and
- 17:37Speaker 6: I'm from.
- 17:37Speaker 2: A particular town where an awesome Southern rock band is from.
- 17:41Speaker 2: I'm from Spartanburg and the Southern rock band that is
- 17:47Speaker 2: quintessential to the Southern rock band scene, I feel is
- 17:51Speaker 2: is from Spartanburg. They're called the Marshall Tucker Band. I
- 17:56Speaker 2: would honestly be surprised if you had never heard some
- 17:59Speaker 2: of their hits. But they're legendary. They've opened for the
- 18:04Speaker 2: Grateful Dead. One of my best friends all throughout school,
- 18:08Speaker 2: his dad was the loudest and woodwind player for the band.
- 18:13Speaker 2: And he's actually the member of the band that I
- 18:16Speaker 2: feel that makes them so iconic in their music. Song
- 18:21Speaker 2: openings are just so iconic and awesome because of him.
- 18:26Speaker 2: Another Southern rock band.
- 18:28Speaker 6: I know they didn't form in the South, but most
- 18:33Speaker 6: of their songs are pretty Southern and about the South.
- 18:39Speaker 2: And I think they're pretty quintessential also.
- 18:42Speaker 4: Little Feet, the Chicks.
- 18:44Speaker 2: Thank you so much for telling us such amazing stories.
- 18:47Speaker 2: Have a great night.
- 18:48Speaker 3: Bye.
- 18:48Speaker 1: Mary, appreciate the call. Yeah, I know Marshall Tucker band.
- 18:51Speaker 1: I don't know Marshall Tucker. Is there a Marshall Tucker
- 18:54Speaker 1: in the Marshall Tucker band? That song, Can't You See,
- 18:56Speaker 1: their big hit, is just incredible. It's just incredible. It's
- 18:59Speaker 1: the ultimate sitting around a campfire with an acoustic guitar.
- 19:03Speaker 1: I'm going to play you a song right now that
- 19:05Speaker 1: everybody's going to love and everybody's going to be into.
- 19:07Speaker 1: And it's going to make beers taste colder. It's going
- 19:10Speaker 1: to make that moonlight a little sharper. you know, just
- 19:12Speaker 1: a great, great tune. And I want to tell you something, Mary,
- 19:14Speaker 1: you put a flute into anything and I'm listening. All right.
- 19:17Speaker 1: That's just the way I am. As for little feet,
- 19:19Speaker 1: not a huge fan, never have been. Um, and I,
- 19:23Speaker 1: and I think it's just because that song willing has
- 19:25Speaker 1: been played to death in, uh, you know, in clubs
- 19:29Speaker 1: in and around Boston, or it was played to death
- 19:31Speaker 1: when I was growing up and it just, it just
- 19:33Speaker 1: kind of killed it for me, but I'm, I'm, I'm
- 19:35Speaker 1: willing to be willing to about little feet.
- 19:40Speaker 2: All right.
- 19:40Speaker 1: I'm willing to be willing. I'm willing to have my
- 19:43Speaker 1: mind changed. Appreciate the call, Mary. All right. 617-906-6638. Let's
- 19:46Speaker 1: do some tests. shall we? Mike from the 925. I
- 19:52Speaker 1: have a couple bands for you to check out for
- 19:54Speaker 1: a possible deep dive. Quicksand. Quicksand. Come on, Mike. Death Angel.
- 19:58Speaker 1: I can help connect you with Mark. That sounds interesting.
- 20:01Speaker 1: My apologies if you've already covered these dudes. Thanks for
- 20:03Speaker 1: all the hard work. Quicksand.
- 20:04Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
- 20:06Speaker 1: I know those guys a little bit. I've met Walter
- 20:09Speaker 1: a couple of times and Tom Capone, who's also in
- 20:13Speaker 1: a great band called Handsome. Love Quicksand. One of my
- 20:17Speaker 1: favorite bands of all time, but I don't know, man. Like,
- 20:19Speaker 1: I don't know if there's much crime there. And if
- 20:21Speaker 1: there is, I don't want to know. I like them
- 20:23Speaker 1: too much. I'm too personally connected to them. I have
- 20:26Speaker 1: friends who are really good friends with them and they're
- 20:29Speaker 1: on tour with my friend's band Bane right now. It's
- 20:31Speaker 1: a whole thing. Death Angel. Shit, man. I remember Death
- 20:35Speaker 1: Angel briefly from the 80s. and uh sort of that
- 20:39Speaker 1: whole like flotsam and jetsam era and uh i i
- 20:43Speaker 1: don't i keep trying to think of the death angel
- 20:44Speaker 1: album that we were into but yeah man mike hit
- 20:48Speaker 1: me back with some death angel info i'm curious i'm
- 20:50Speaker 1: death angel curious okay 909 text in first of all
- 20:54Speaker 1: love the jake versus zeth banter second you didn't mention
- 20:57Speaker 1: ray and dave davies of the kinks in your discussion
- 21:00Speaker 1: of brother bands Lots of volatility in their story too.
- 21:03Speaker 1: Rock and roll a Scott from the nine Oh nine
- 21:06Speaker 1: Scott for the nine Oh nine. I love saying nine
- 21:08Speaker 1: Oh nine Scott. Oh, we didn't talk about the Davies
- 21:13Speaker 1: brothers defer to your memory on that instead of mine.
- 21:17Speaker 1: I barely remember the brother conversation. It took, uh, took, uh,
- 21:21Speaker 1: the disco who was talking about the Alvin brothers. I
- 21:25Speaker 1: didn't even know when that conversation happened. Uh, Okay, if
- 21:30Speaker 1: we left off the Davies, I apologize. Also, this is
- 21:36Speaker 1: kind of a weak spot in my music history, is
- 21:38Speaker 1: the history of the Kinks. We did a little bit
- 21:40Speaker 1: of a deep dive. Not a deep dive. We had
- 21:43Speaker 1: a conversation about the Davies Brothers, Zeth and I, a
- 21:45Speaker 1: couple months back. And I was a little shocked at
- 21:48Speaker 1: some of the stuff I was reading. But I feel
- 21:50Speaker 1: like there's a Disgraceland episode there at some point. 416
- 21:54Speaker 1: texts in. Hey, Southern Rock Band, you don't hear much
- 21:56Speaker 1: about anymore. Molly Hatchett. jacksonville florida oh jason in the
- 22:02Speaker 1: 416 you know great florida bands is a subject that
- 22:08Speaker 1: i would really like to dive deeper into that aren't
- 22:12Speaker 1: named tom petty and the heartbreakers because they're the greatest
- 22:15Speaker 1: florida band of all time are they not is there
- 22:17Speaker 1: anyone better jason let's let's unpack that one a little
- 22:21Speaker 1: bit texas back okay Guys, you want to be like
- 22:24Speaker 1: your fellow discos that we just heard from, give us
- 22:26Speaker 1: a call. Send us a text, 617-906-6638. You can talk
- 22:30Speaker 1: about anything you want. Give us your answer to the
- 22:32Speaker 1: Dolly Parton question we posed earlier. If Dolly's not on
- 22:37Speaker 1: the top five list of greatest American songwriters of all time,
- 22:41Speaker 1: who is? That's the question. Hit us up. 617-906-6638. We
- 22:45Speaker 1: can talk brother bands. We can talk Southern rock. We
- 22:48Speaker 1: can talk LA punk. We can talk scenes that have
- 22:52Speaker 1: not gotten their due. Bands who helped form them. Hit
- 22:55Speaker 1: us up. Let us know. I'm going to pitch you
- 22:58Speaker 1: the most badass music biopic that will probably never get made.
- 23:01Speaker 1: I'm going to do that right now. The trailer will
- 23:03Speaker 1: start with this cheesy line. Some superheroes wear masks, but
- 23:07Speaker 1: this hero... wore a paper bag. But the thing is, guys,
- 23:10Speaker 1: this is true. When a member of the LA punk
- 23:13Speaker 1: scene was brutally murdered by the Hillside Strangler, one punk
- 23:16Speaker 1: stepped up to protect the rest. She wasn't born a protector.
- 23:20Speaker 1: She was made into one when her father beat her
- 23:22Speaker 1: mother with his belt in front of the entire neighborhood.
- 23:25Speaker 1: It was Alicia Almondarez who stepped in. Protection was necessary. L.A.
- 23:30Speaker 1: in the late 70s, it was life or death. Alicia
- 23:33Speaker 1: took that instinct to school where bullies targeted her Chicano roots,
- 23:37Speaker 1: where words were not enough, where violence was the lesson
- 23:41Speaker 1: of the day, where where protection was a contact sport
- 23:44Speaker 1: outside of school, out on the streets with their punk
- 23:47Speaker 1: rock friends. It wasn't just bullies Alicia had to deal with.
- 23:50Speaker 1: It was a serial killer. Killers, to be precise. So
- 23:53Speaker 1: Alicia stopped being Alicia and became Alice. Alice, who augmented
- 23:59Speaker 1: her torn t-shirts, bright green stockings, and heels with a
- 24:02Speaker 1: paper bag over her head. Alice Bag, protector of the punks.
- 24:06Speaker 1: The story of Alice Bag in the early LA punk
- 24:09Speaker 1: scene of a city being terrorized by the hillside stranglers.
- 24:14Speaker 1: It's not just something for the music history books. It's
- 24:16Speaker 1: an origin story, a superhero origin story. Alice Bag in
- 24:21Speaker 1: Disgraceland this week. Check that out. We'll be back right
- 24:24Speaker 1: after this. 617-906-6638. That's how you hit us up on
- 24:42Speaker 1: voicemail and text at DisgracelandPod on the socials. But if
- 24:45Speaker 1: you want to email me, DisgracelandPod at gmail.com. This one
- 24:51Speaker 1: comes from Adam. Last week, we were discussing some of
- 24:56Speaker 1: those great shows, great concerts that MTV aired back in
- 25:00Speaker 1: the 90s. Not just MTV Unplugged. We were talking about
- 25:05Speaker 1: the Oasis one, the Portishead one, the Radiohead one. So
- 25:08Speaker 1: Adam writes in, dude, I totally remember those epic events.
- 25:10Speaker 1: Some bands I didn't really like had the best shows.
- 25:12Speaker 1: The LL Cool J one was epic even. The Nirvana
- 25:15Speaker 1: one still has to be my fave. though the Alice
- 25:17Speaker 1: in Chains one was close to it. The whole semi-unplugged
- 25:20Speaker 1: monitor being an amp for Kurt was always a fun
- 25:23Speaker 1: punk move, and I love to read about it. Anyway,
- 25:26Speaker 1: 90s guys getting lost in the past always seemed like
- 25:28Speaker 1: hell at the time, but it's way better in rose-colored
- 25:30Speaker 1: glasses looking backwards with nostalgia and awe. Love the show. Rock-a-rola.
- 25:35Speaker 1: That one comes from Adam. Adam, you're absolutely right. You
- 25:37Speaker 1: mentioned a couple of my favorite unplugged episodes. The LL
- 25:41Speaker 1: Cool J one was fantastic. That live band, it's The Roots, right?
- 25:46Speaker 1: I think that was the band backing him up. He
- 25:47Speaker 1: had those fucking golf balls hanging out of his armpits.
- 25:49Speaker 1: Remember that? The fucking deodorant. The Nirvana one, iconic. Immediately,
- 25:56Speaker 1: Allison changed. They got a great EP out of their
- 25:58Speaker 1: unplugged set as well. Just totally awesome. Uh, Robbie writes
- 26:03Speaker 1: in Robbie is spelled R a W B E E.
- 26:08Speaker 1: Hey Jake, I have to recommend a movie. You've probably
- 26:11Speaker 1: seen it, but if not, it's a, you need to
- 26:13Speaker 1: grab a frosty pint of moose head, put the phone
- 26:16Speaker 1: in airplane mode, flop out on the butt cushion and
- 26:19Speaker 1: do not take your starving eyeballs off of it. It's
- 26:22Speaker 1: called the last stop in Yuma County. Call me when
- 26:25Speaker 1: you finish it. We'll chat cheers from the five one
- 26:27Speaker 1: nine and Waterloo, Canada, Waterloo, Canada. We're connecting. Our Canadian
- 26:33Speaker 1: voicemail from earlier with the kinks. We're doing it through
- 26:37Speaker 1: Yuma County. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
- 26:40Speaker 1: The last stop in Yuma County. What is this? Is
- 26:44Speaker 1: it a Western? Is Yule Brenner in it? Why do
- 26:47Speaker 1: I associate Yule Brenner with Yuma County? Is it just
- 26:50Speaker 1: Yule and Yuma? Is that why? Am I that simple?
- 26:54Speaker 1: I am. I'm even more simple. Got a preview of
- 26:58Speaker 1: our new Disgraceland subjects coming at you next week. And Listen,
- 27:02Speaker 1: you guys want to help us pick these subjects. You
- 27:04Speaker 1: want more of a hand in this, more of a say,
- 27:06Speaker 1: more of a voice. You want more of a formal
- 27:08Speaker 1: role in figuring out what musicians we cover. Well, you
- 27:14Speaker 1: can take part in that by joining our Zoom, the
- 27:17Speaker 1: rest of the discos, the rest of the All Access members.
- 27:21Speaker 1: And we're going to chop it up. We don't have
- 27:23Speaker 1: a date yet. But I want to put that together soon.
- 27:26Speaker 1: We're going to jump on Zoom. Many of you, as
- 27:28Speaker 1: the software can handle, and we're going to try to
- 27:31Speaker 1: have a civilized conversation about which artists we want to
- 27:34Speaker 1: cover coming up. So you want to be part of that?
- 27:37Speaker 1: Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. You're supporting the show
- 27:41Speaker 1: as well. Plus, you're going to get all kinds of
- 27:42Speaker 1: bonus content, ad-free content, ad-free listening, and exclusive content, like
- 27:48Speaker 1: I said, like Our new episode of this film should
- 27:52Speaker 1: be played loud on licorice pizza. Matt, give them a taste.
- 27:55Speaker 1: All right. Song that got me down the rabbit hole
- 27:58Speaker 1: is Slip Away by the horniest man in show business,
- 28:02Speaker 1: Clarence Carter. And this is in the scene where we're
- 28:05Speaker 1: starting to catch Alana's entry into the world of politics. Yes.
- 28:09Speaker 1: And she joins the Wax campaign, not the Wox campaign. Right, right.
- 28:14Speaker 1: I didn't A-B this, I didn't look into it, but
- 28:16Speaker 1: I suspect that Paul Thomas Anderson is in this scene
- 28:19Speaker 1: in Licorice Pizza while Alana's being introduced to the world
- 28:22Speaker 1: of politics and the wax campaign that he, the filmmaker,
- 28:26Speaker 1: is paying homage to Martin Scorsese in Taxi Driver and
- 28:29Speaker 1: that whole thing when they get into the whole political
- 28:32Speaker 1: campaign with Travis Bickle and Sybil Shepard. You know what
- 28:37Speaker 1: I'm saying?
- 28:37Speaker 7: He's watching them from outside just like this mystery man
- 28:40Speaker 7: is watching from outside. I love, too, how... I mean,
- 28:43Speaker 7: at least in my view, is this guy who's watching,
- 28:45Speaker 7: is he like one of Joel Wax's like ex-lovers who's
- 28:49Speaker 7: pissed or is he like.
- 28:50Speaker 1: Well, you don't know that Joel Wax is gay yet. Sorry,
- 28:54Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. I mean, I did. During that interview,
- 28:57Speaker 1: there were red flags. That's all I'm saying.
- 28:59Speaker 7: Well, yeah, sure. But I'm just... You don't know if
- 29:01Speaker 7: it's a sort of a scorned ex-lover or if it's
- 29:05Speaker 7: somebody who's like working for the opposition.
- 29:07Speaker 6: Who's going to like.
- 29:07Speaker 1: Or Travis Bickle.
- 29:08Speaker 7: Or Travis Bickle.
- 29:09Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. But I think even the way they
- 29:11Speaker 1: shoot it, it feels very similar. Again, I didn't A-B it,
- 29:14Speaker 1: but it feels like they come into that whole world
- 29:17Speaker 1: in a very, very similar way. You know what I mean?
- 29:20Speaker 2: Totally.
- 29:20Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I expect Albert Brooks to walk
- 29:22Speaker 1: around the corner with an Afro and get me a coffee.
- 29:25Speaker 1: You know, it's very much, I feel like that's what
- 29:28Speaker 1: we're doing there. Yeah. But Slippin' Away, Clarence Carter is
- 29:31Speaker 1: what's playing, which is, I guess it's on the nose
- 29:33Speaker 1: because she's leaving the world of Gary Valentine to go
- 29:36Speaker 1: into this other world. Yes. She's slipping away. But that
- 29:40Speaker 1: doesn't mean that's what the song's about. Right. The song
- 29:43Speaker 1: is about slipping away and having sex with some girl
- 29:47Speaker 1: or guy you're not supposed to be having sex with. Right.
- 29:49Speaker 1: Which is- Kind of where, I know, it's where the
- 29:52Speaker 1: story's kind of going. Yeah.
- 29:54Speaker 7: Because I think she then kind of thinks that maybe
- 29:55Speaker 7: she has a shot with Joel. I don't think she
- 29:57Speaker 7: knows that Joel Lax is gay.
- 29:58Speaker 1: She doesn't. She thinks she has a.
- 29:59Speaker 7: Shot with him.
- 29:59Speaker 1: She's about to make a play for him. She almost
- 30:01Speaker 1: makes a play for the other guy. They almost fall
- 30:03Speaker 1: into it.
- 30:04Speaker 7: That's right.
- 30:04Speaker 1: And she's all over the place. Clarence Carter's amazing. And
- 30:07Speaker 1: this song's incredible. It is. And Clarence Carter wrote just,
- 30:10Speaker 1: he just wrote horny hits, man. Slip away, stroking, backdoor Santa. Oh,
- 30:16Speaker 1: my God. Backdoor Santa.
- 30:18Speaker 7: I've stricken that from my Christmas playlist because I can't
- 30:20Speaker 7: expose the children to that.
- 30:22Speaker 1: It's so filthy. Well, I had a time with my
- 30:25Speaker 1: kids because they don't get the double entendre of it
- 30:27Speaker 1: all yet. You know what I mean? I could probably
- 30:28Speaker 1: play stroking and they wouldn't get it. But it's just filthy.
- 30:32Speaker 1: And it's just like, I mean, I don't know. I mean,
- 30:35Speaker 1: I don't know what he was up to. I don't
- 30:36Speaker 1: want to project it. I love Clarence Carter. Clarence Carter,
- 30:39Speaker 1: Clarence Carter, Clarence Carter. It's so good. That's me and Zeth. Dr.
- 30:44Speaker 1: Zeth Lundy in this film should be played loud. Zeth
- 30:48Speaker 1: helms the Hollywoodland feed as well. He's in that feed
- 30:52Speaker 1: three times a week with our archive episode, with our
- 30:56Speaker 1: wrap party episode, and with our screening room episode. Give
- 31:01Speaker 1: Hollywoodland a follow on Apple Podcasts, iHeart Podcasts, or wherever
- 31:05Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. All right. As promised, some good
- 31:08Speaker 1: Dolly Parton stories coming up in the exclusive section right now.
- 31:11Speaker 1: Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up if you're not. Back
- 31:14Speaker 1: after this. All right, guys, we are back. Before I split,
- 31:27Speaker 1: I just want to say, what did we mention in
- 31:29Speaker 1: this episode? We mentioned Bob Dylan. We did not mention
- 31:32Speaker 1: the Go-Go's. But the Go-Go's episode on Disgraced Land is
- 31:35Speaker 1: a nice bookend to the Alice Bag episode. They take
- 31:37Speaker 1: place during the exact same time in the exact same scene.
- 31:41Speaker 1: Zeth wrote the Alice Bag episode. I wrote the Go-Go's episode.
- 31:44Speaker 1: And they're kind of talking to each other. And the
- 31:46Speaker 1: Hillside Strangler is involved in both. And, you know, check
- 31:49Speaker 1: it out. You can find that episode in our archive
- 31:52Speaker 1: of almost 300 episodes on artists from every genre. Matt's
- 31:57Speaker 1: going to put the episode information for the Go-Go story
- 32:00Speaker 1: and the Bob Dylan story in the show notes of
- 32:02Speaker 1: this bonus episode to make it easier for you to find.
- 32:06Speaker 1: Let's recap, shall we? This week, number one, our new
- 32:09Speaker 1: episode on Alice Bag, available for you right now. Number two,
- 32:11Speaker 1: in the rewind slot this weekend, our classic episode, instantly
- 32:14Speaker 1: classic episode on Dolly Parton, our IP. Number three, coming
- 32:18Speaker 1: up next week, a preview of all the awesomeness we
- 32:21Speaker 1: have coming your way. for the next season, the end
- 32:24Speaker 1: of the year. Get in there with us. Number four,
- 32:26Speaker 1: is that's going to give you those Hollywood and crime
- 32:28Speaker 1: vibes in the Hollywood land feed. So make sure you
- 32:30Speaker 1: are subscribed. I'm going to give you my music recs
- 32:32Speaker 1: too over in the wrap party that happens every week,
- 32:34Speaker 1: but it only happens in the Hollywood land feed. Number five,
- 32:37Speaker 1: the current, this film should be played loud video podcast
- 32:39Speaker 1: hits this week on licorice pizza. August 26th. Go to
- 32:43Speaker 1: discretsandpod.com to sign up, become an all-access member, and unlock
- 32:46Speaker 1: exclusive content just like this, plus ad-free listening. Number six, 617-906-6638.
- 32:53Speaker 1: Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of
- 32:56Speaker 1: music history, so keep on calling, texting with the answers
- 32:58Speaker 1: to next week's question of the week, or with whatever
- 33:01Speaker 1: else you guys want to talk about, because don't forget, Discos,
- 33:03Speaker 1: this isn't just content. It's a community, a community of
- 33:06Speaker 1: the obsessed and And no one cares about music, books, records,
- 33:09Speaker 1: and the crime and grime that ties them all together
- 33:12Speaker 1: like you do. And that's a disgrace. All right, back
- 33:15Speaker 1: on November 23rd, 1977, Jane King's body was discovered. And
- 33:18Speaker 1: this is what America was listening to on that day
- 33:21Speaker 1: according to the Billboard charts. Number one, you light up
- 33:27Speaker 1: my life, Debbie Boone. Last week, one. Peak position, one.
- 33:32Speaker 1: Weeks on chart, 13. Number two, don't it make my
- 33:36Speaker 1: brown eyes blue? Crystal Gale last week three peak position
- 33:40Speaker 1: two weeks on chart sixteen number three how deep is
- 33:44Speaker 1: your love last week six peak position three weeks on
- 33:50Speaker 1: chart ten number four boogie night seven peak position last
- 33:55Speaker 1: week two peak position two weeks on chart nineteen number
- 34:01Speaker 1: five baby what a big surprise
- 34:18Speaker 7: Quit talking and start mixing.