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The Prenup · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber. And I'm Amy Torber. And coming up on
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  Speaker 1: today's show, Tammy Hembrough confirms prenup with Matt Sikowsky and
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  Speaker 1: we unpack Aspen Ovard's chaotic divorce updates. But first, Sophia
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  Speaker 1: Begg's legal team has issued a cease and desist letter
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  Speaker 1: to her former friend Holly Mueller and her new podcast
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  Speaker 1: host Billy Barker. In a bid to promote their new podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the duo teased they'd spill the tea on the friendship breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into all of the juicy details, for
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  Speaker 1: some of us millennials who aren't up to date on
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  Speaker 1: who Sophia and Holly are, fill us in. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: they're Gen Z influencers who've built careers for themselves on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Some have even gone as far as Comparing them to
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  Speaker 1: Shani and Chloe Zett from back in the day, that's
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  Speaker 1: how big their popularity has been online. Yeah, because Sophie
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  Speaker 1: and Holly were really close friends and they would often
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  Speaker 1: appear in each other's TikTok videos. So it's quite a
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  Speaker 1: big scandal in the Jed Zedd community that these girls
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  Speaker 1: are no longer friends. Yeah, and they were part of
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  Speaker 1: the Melbourne TikTok clique. So Sammy Guggenheimer was in that
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  Speaker 1: group as well as Izzy Armitage and also Sophia Begg's
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time, Jordan. There's been a lot of
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  Speaker 1: controversy around him as well because They subsequently broke up
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  Speaker 1: and then Sophia moved back to New South Wales. And
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  Speaker 1: there's constant rumours about what was the cause of the
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  Speaker 1: breakup because Sammy and Izzy seem to have sided with him.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like the Brisbane clique with Sharni
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  Speaker 1: and Michael and Jonathan and all that drama. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: out of nowhere, Sophia and Holly suddenly stopped posting together.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't attend each other's events, so they had a
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  Speaker 1: few collaborations with big brand deals. They were absent from those.
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  Speaker 1: They also had planned to travel overseas. And they just
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  Speaker 1: never acknowledged the friendship breakdown. They were very quiet on
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  Speaker 1: what happened. Well, that's until now. Because Holly is using
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  Speaker 1: this drama to help promote her new podcast that she's
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  Speaker 1: just launched alongside another TikToker called Billy Barker. So they
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  Speaker 1: released a TikTok video where they lip synced along to
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  Speaker 1: this audio. Took some time off to rest and now
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  Speaker 1: it's game time, bitches.
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  Speaker 2: You have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the text over this video read, what happened with
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  Speaker 1: you and dot, dot, dot. And in the caption, Holly wrote,
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow is a scary day. And immediately, Holly's followers knew
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  Speaker 1: she was about to spill the tea on her friendship breakdown. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and this video understandably received a lot of attention on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: It had over 473,000 views at the time of recording
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  Speaker 1: and 1,600 send-ons. One follower wrote, oh my God, I
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  Speaker 1: love you. Speak your truth, girly. Whilst another said, always
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  Speaker 1: stand with you. So people are already taking sides over this.
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  Speaker 1: So Soph, are you team Sophia or team Holly, or
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  Speaker 1: are we too old for this TikTok drama? I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: say I'm too old. I love the pettiness, but this
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  Speaker 1: is the first time I've come across Holly and I
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  Speaker 1: have a bit of a soft spot for Sophia. I
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  Speaker 1: think she is a genuinely nice person. I think she's
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  Speaker 1: very business savvy. I don't think that it's fair to
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  Speaker 1: use someone else's clout to try and promote your own podcast.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what these girls are doing. Literally, we talk
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  Speaker 1: about influencer drama on the podcast. People could say that
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  Speaker 1: we're using influencer clout. No, but there's a difference. We're
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  Speaker 1: not selling out someone we used to be friends with
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  Speaker 1: in order to promote our podcast. We're just talking about
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  Speaker 1: influencer topics. I think that's completely different. Well, the day
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  Speaker 1: before this episode was set to drop, Holly and Billy
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  Speaker 1: were served with a cease and desist letter on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of Sophia's lawyer, This is wild. Surely she was going
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  Speaker 1: to know that these two were going to share the letter,
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  Speaker 1: which of course they did online. They put up a
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  Speaker 1: full screenshot of the legal letter on their podcast's Instagram
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  Speaker 1: story and they captioned the post, Well, at least we
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  Speaker 1: have one listener. And they were pretty petty because they
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  Speaker 1: scribbled out Sophia's name, but they intentionally made it readable
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  Speaker 1: because they left the first couple of letters of her name.
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  Speaker 1: So you could see the S and the O. I
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  Speaker 1: just want to know, did the legal document have anything
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  Speaker 1: about that this was a private document? It didn't actually,
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  Speaker 1: because we have unfortunately been dealt some legal letters, not
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  Speaker 1: for this podcast, but for our dealings back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of them did specify that you could
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  Speaker 1: not share this publicly anywhere. Well, that's a big mistake
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  Speaker 1: by her lawyers, if that's the case, because I would
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  Speaker 1: be stamping confidential all over this. And it is a
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  Speaker 1: breach to be sharing confidential information. But it seems like
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  Speaker 1: they've done nothing wrong by actually sharing this document. And
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  Speaker 1: they could also claim, well, we did cover her name. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: not really. But this letter started off by saying, we
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  Speaker 1: have been advised that tomorrow morning in a podcast entitled
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  Speaker 1: Sensory Overload with Billy Barker and Holly Mueller, Ms. Sophia
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  Speaker 1: Begg will likely be defamed. If this occurs, you are
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  Speaker 1: unnoticed that legal proceedings will be commenced. It's really clear
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  Speaker 1: that this lawyer was trying to point out to them
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  Speaker 1: just how severe the consequences would be because he highlighted
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  Speaker 1: several times that if they defame her, they can be
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  Speaker 1: prosecuted in court. It continued saying, our client is making
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  Speaker 1: it known to you that if defamatory material arises in
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  Speaker 1: this podcast and our client is recognized by one or
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  Speaker 1: more listeners slash viewers, then proceedings will commence. If you
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  Speaker 1: are found to have defamed our client by the court,
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  Speaker 1: significant financial consequences are likely to result. It then finished
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  Speaker 1: by asking Billy, Holly and also their manager to immediately
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  Speaker 1: confirm the removal of the offending segment. This legal letter
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  Speaker 1: was also addressed to Holly and Billy's talent agency, which
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  Speaker 1: is called Jake the Agency. And it outlined that every
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  Speaker 1: single person involved in publishing the defamatory material is also liable.
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  Speaker 1: So he clearly was like, get this the fuck down.
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  Speaker 1: This is a pretty big move from Sophia because from
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  Speaker 1: an outside perspective, it appears that Holly has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of tea to spill about Sophia. So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if this actually makes Sophia look really good. Well, one
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  Speaker 1: follower wrote underneath Sophia's recent video, someone doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: get exposed. And she actually responded. This is the only
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  Speaker 1: thing she said about the incident. So she said, someone
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want lies spread. It was a precaution to make
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  Speaker 1: sure no lies were shared. Defamation is about lies, not truth.
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  Speaker 1: I totally get your point though, because I think there'll
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  Speaker 1: be a lot of people thinking, oh, well, where there's smoke,
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  Speaker 1: there's fire. And she's clearly got stuff to hide if
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  Speaker 1: she's going to go and hire a lawyer. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that Sophia is very smart and knows she has
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  Speaker 1: to protect herself against people who don't have her best
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  Speaker 1: interests at heart. Sophia's mom is a lawyer. So that's
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  Speaker 1: why I think she's been so quick to respond to
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  Speaker 1: this because she knows how quickly someone can ruin your
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  Speaker 1: reputation by spreading lies about you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting one. I mean, clearly this is a
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  Speaker 1: legitimate legal letter because we have seen a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fake legal letters floating around. I mean, we received some
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  Speaker 1: bizarre kind of legal threat last year from Lily Brown.
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  Speaker 1: It was obvious it wasn't a legal letter. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying she was trying to. It was written by
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  Speaker 1: Lily Brown's manager who seemed to think that she had
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  Speaker 1: the same qualifications as a lawyer because it did not
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  Speaker 1: make sense. The reality is though, a lot of influencers
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  Speaker 1: don't want to waste money on engaging a lawyer to
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  Speaker 1: send out these kinds of legal threats because in reality,
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  Speaker 1: even this legal threat sent out by Sophia Begg's lawyers,
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  Speaker 1: they don't really have a leg to stand on because
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  Speaker 1: there hasn't been any defamatory material actually put out yet. However,
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  Speaker 1: they're saying, look, if you do that, this is what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to do. And sometimes that is enough to
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  Speaker 1: scare people from actually talking. Yeah, but they're putting it
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  Speaker 1: out there because Holly and Billy are giving it the
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  Speaker 1: big one saying, oh, we're going to say all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff about you. And there's already hundreds of comments underneath
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  Speaker 1: it of people saying, oh my God, I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to hear what you're going to say. But in reality,
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  Speaker 1: they could have used the truth defense and they could
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  Speaker 1: have stood by what they actually claimed in the podcast. However,
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  Speaker 1: It appears we are never going to hear what they
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  Speaker 1: really had to say. We are never going to know
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  Speaker 1: the full extent of what Holly planned to say on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast because she and Billy ended up sharing a
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  Speaker 1: new episode, but it was very watered down. They only
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  Speaker 1: briefly touched on Sophia. Yeah, I think they must have
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  Speaker 1: been intimidated by this letter because you had to wait
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  Speaker 1: until the 47 minute mark of this 52 minute long podcast.
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  Speaker 1: To even hear a mention of Sophia. And I just
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  Speaker 1: felt so sorry for anyone who tuned in thinking that
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  Speaker 1: they were getting some tea or they were going to
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  Speaker 1: hear about some drama. Well, did they even touch on
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  Speaker 1: the legal letter or they just said nothing? They didn't
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  Speaker 1: say anything about the legal letter. All they did was
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  Speaker 1: what most influencers do and got their followers to send
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  Speaker 1: in questions for a Q & A. So of course,
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  Speaker 1: someone asked about Sophia. Here's what Holly said. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: everything happens for a reason, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I think the universe was on my side that day.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a good saying? I think so. The universe
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  Speaker 1: was on my side.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't even her. Yeah, I don't think it was
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  Speaker 2: even her.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's actually nothing.
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  Speaker 1: We just obviously outgrew each other. Like me and her did. Pardon?
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  Speaker 2: Don't say too much though. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like me and her just overgrew, but it wasn't actually her.
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  Speaker 1: She's actually a really nice person. But I think that's
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  Speaker 1: just the industry.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone falls out in the industry.
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  Speaker 2: Especially I was living in Melbourne and like, The whole
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne scene, it's like.
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  Speaker 1: It's cult there.
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  Speaker 2: It's cult.
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  Speaker 1: It's fake.
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  Speaker 2: It's... There's a lot of cult there. I've never seen
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  Speaker 2: anything like it. And I think we're all so young.
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  Speaker 2: But we're chill now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all so chill now. We're all chill now.
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  Speaker 1: That big whole thing that just made me realise I
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  Speaker 1: actually don't give a shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. People grow and people, like, they do it. They change.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming Billie meant click instead of cult. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: really threw me because... If he is implying that Sophia
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  Speaker 1: is part of some cult, then yes, that would be defamatory,
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  Speaker 1: but I think he did mean click. I just hate
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  Speaker 1: when people talk in riddles like this because it's clear
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  Speaker 1: that they don't know that they can actually give their
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  Speaker 1: opinion of Sophia. They can... touch on their friendship with her.
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  Speaker 1: They're just not able to lie about her. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they can't defame her. I mean, clearly they panicked about this.
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  Speaker 1: I think if Billy and Holly had their own independent podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and their agency hadn't been involved in this, perhaps they
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  Speaker 1: would have gone ahead and put up the full podcast
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  Speaker 1: where they were dishing the dirt. Some people have been
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  Speaker 1: saying that Billy has mentioned on his stories that episode
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  Speaker 1: two was going to be the full expose, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's just because maybe they had bad
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  Speaker 1: downloads on the first one. They're trying to think of
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  Speaker 1: how to get people back in. I would assume they
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  Speaker 1: had good downloads on the first one. And then next week,
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  Speaker 1: no one's going to tune in because they feel like
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  Speaker 1: they've been completely let down. It was terrible. I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's such a cop-out to be like, oh, she's
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  Speaker 1: actually really nice. It's like, You were literally on your
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  Speaker 1: TikTok a couple of days ago, ready to get the
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  Speaker 1: knives out and get into it. And now you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: she's really nice. It's like when people say she's nice,
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  Speaker 1: but like I'm waiting for the but.
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  Speaker 5: I guess so many things that I just literally do
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  Speaker 5: not think are a big deal or do not like
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  Speaker 5: affect our lives at all are such a big deal
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  Speaker 5: to people that don't even know us.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough has hit back at media reports which claimed
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  Speaker 1: she and fiancé Matt Zukowski were fighting over a prenuptial agreement. Now,
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  Speaker 1: last week, Sophie, we discussed how the Daily Mail had
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  Speaker 1: uploaded paparazzi shots of Tammy and Matt outside their joint
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  Speaker 1: hucks party on the Gold Coast. And Tammy appeared to
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  Speaker 1: be in tears while Matt was seen consoling her. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and in this article, the Daily Mail quoted a source
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  Speaker 1: as saying there had been tension between the couple as
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  Speaker 1: Matt was refusing to sign a prenuptial agreement. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of people talking online and there has
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  Speaker 1: already been a lot of accusations flying around that potentially
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  Speaker 1: Matt was using Tammy for her money because she is
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  Speaker 1: worth an estimated $ 50 million. I mean, we had a
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  Speaker 1: discussion about this. I think there's a lot more to
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  Speaker 1: Tammy that Matt would be after than her money. Oh, 100%,
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  Speaker 1: but you've got to also think, It's very odd for
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  Speaker 1: someone to want to lock this down so quickly. And
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  Speaker 1: most normal people would jump to the conclusion, well, what
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  Speaker 1: does this person have to gain.
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  Speaker 5: Out of it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, this article did not do much for Matt's credibility,
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  Speaker 1: but Tammy has put the rumors to bed. So she
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  Speaker 1: took to TikTok late last week to address some of
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  Speaker 1: the headlines that had come out following her joint Hux
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  Speaker 1: party with Matt. Let's have a listen to what Tammy
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  Speaker 1: said about the prenup allegations.
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  Speaker 5: This could not be further from the truth. Like we
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  Speaker 5: have not once, like a prenup has not once come
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  Speaker 5: up in argument for us. We agreed pretty much straight
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  Speaker 5: away that we would get a prenup. It just seemed
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  Speaker 5: like a smart thing to do for both of our sakes.
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  Speaker 5: Like it wasn't something that we have ever thought about.
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  Speaker 1: Once, literally ever. Tammy went on to say that the
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  Speaker 1: rumours were completely and utterly made up and pointed out
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  Speaker 1: that she was clearly hugging Matt in the pap shots.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really relieved to hear that there is a prenup
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  Speaker 1: in place because I was starting to feel really nervous
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  Speaker 1: for Tammy. And as you say, obviously Tammy has a
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  Speaker 1: lot more to offer than just her money. But when
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  Speaker 1: people race into a relationship, maybe you haven't had time
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  Speaker 1: to get to know each other. And also the other
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  Speaker 1: rumours that have come out following the Grand Prix are
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  Speaker 1: it does lead your mind to think about the worst.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that she has built up her career
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  Speaker 1: and her empire, I would hate to see her lose that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Tammy went on to say in this TikTok that
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  Speaker 1: she can understand why so many people are interested in
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  Speaker 1: their relationship. And she said she can see why people
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  Speaker 1: want to make things up. But she said it's just
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  Speaker 1: getting old now. Is it old though? Because one thing
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't confirm in this TikTok is is why
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  Speaker 1: they unfollowed each other. And that is what everyone wanted
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  Speaker 1: to know. Because a lot of these articles and rumors
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have started if they didn't publicly unfollow each other.
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  Speaker 1: I 100% agree. I am glad that she has touched
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  Speaker 1: on this elephant that has been in the room about
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  Speaker 1: this prenup. And interestingly, the Daily Mail has not reported
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  Speaker 1: on Tammy's statement about Matt signing this prenup. They, of course,
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  Speaker 1: ran the first article accusing Tammy and Matt of having
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  Speaker 1: an argument over this. Well, is it completely surprising because
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  Speaker 1: that would basically be them admitting that their sources got
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  Speaker 1: it wrong? Yeah, but it's disappointing. I haven't really seen
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  Speaker 1: anybody cover it except our own podcast and also Influencer
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  Speaker 1: Updates AU. It seems like the media are only willing
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  Speaker 1: to push this negative side about the couple. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: because it doesn't play into their narrative. Now, Tammy also
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  Speaker 1: addressed the backlash over taking Matt's last name. So she
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  Speaker 1: said that she's changing it simply because she wants his
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  Speaker 1: last name and she doesn't understand why it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: She also said that her kids have their dad's last name,
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  Speaker 1: so she doesn't have this huge attachment to Hembrough. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of her followers actually pointed out in her
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  Speaker 1: comment section that it is a big deal taking Matt's
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  Speaker 1: name because she has built her empire with her last
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  Speaker 1: name Hembrough and I I tend to agree. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: everyone has their own opinions on whether they want to
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  Speaker 1: take their partner's name. I haven't officially changed my last
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  Speaker 1: name yet. I know you haven't either, Sophie, but we
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  Speaker 1: do have the intention. I do kind of want to
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  Speaker 1: change my last name at some point. For me, I
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  Speaker 1: want to keep my maiden name Torba as my professional
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  Speaker 1: work name. And then I want to have Hancock as
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  Speaker 1: my family name, because for me, I do really want
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  Speaker 1: to have the same last name as my future kids.
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  Speaker 1: But I just think no one should judge anyone over
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  Speaker 1: their decision to keep their name or change their name.
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  Speaker 1: It's a personal decision. And I think that she's going
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  Speaker 1: to be keeping Hembro for all of her work commitments anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think though, when you really have a big
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  Speaker 1: crush on somebody, the thought of having their last name
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  Speaker 1: as your last name is really appealing because I think
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  Speaker 1: they're still very much in that honeymoon phase. We're like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, I'm going to be Mrs. Zukowski. I
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  Speaker 1: can see her writing it on a little planner, Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Zukowski. But after you've been dating for what, like six,
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  Speaker 1: seven years, you're like, why the fuck should I take
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  Speaker 1: their last name? Yeah, you're like, they should take mine.
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  Speaker 1: It's my fucking name. I mean, for me, I've had
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  Speaker 1: my name longer than my husband has had his name. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Dale's got a double-barreled name, as I've mentioned numerous times.
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  Speaker 1: And I said to him, look, if I take the name,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I'm only taking one of them because I think that's fair. Now,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Tammy lastly touched on media reports about her sister Star,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: who wasn't in attendance at her Hux party. She was
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: really surprised by the media interest in this because she
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: said it really wasn't a big deal to her. She
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: said she was sad that Star wasn't there. But the
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: only reason she missed out was because she's currently living
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: in Thailand. And Tammy said that she didn't want her
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to have to fly all the way there. and then
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: come to the wedding later. She confirmed she will be
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: at the wedding, of course. The reason that the media
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: were interested in Starr not being there is because Tammy's
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: sisters a week prior literally shit-canned Matt on his podcast.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: So they were trying to piece together whether all of
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the sisters hate him or if this has caused some
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: sort of feud.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Guys, I need someone to talk to about the Aspen
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Ovar drama. None of my friends in real life grew
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: up watching Aspen on YouTube and I am just at
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: a loss for words with what is going on right now.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: US influencer Aspen Ovart has sent TikTok into a spin
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: after posting a series of chaotic and downright confusing updates
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: about her divorce from Parker Ferris. Yeah, so Aspen filed
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: for divorce back in April, which just so happened to
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: be the same day she announced the birth of their
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: third child. And since then, both parties have remained tight-lipped
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: on the matter. And just last month, we covered that
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Aspen had told her followers that she would continue remaining
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: silent about her divorce. Yeah, she was meant to be
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: very demure, very mindful, jumping on that whole trend, saying
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: that she wasn't going to spill any details.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: You see how I don't talk about my divorce online?
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Very demure, very mindful. You see how I considered my
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: children and how it would affect them to have their
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: family's personal information shared all over the internet? Very smart,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: very good mom.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: You see how those.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Magazines and websites wrote articles sharing personal information that I
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: hadn't shared yet when I had just given birth to
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: a premature baby who was in the NICU? Very trashy,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: very tacky. See how I will continue to stay unbothered
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: and not share anything to protect my peace. Very demure,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: very mindful, very cutesy, very peaceful.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Well, since then, the shit has well and truly hit
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the fan because she has done a total 360. So
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: over the past week, Aspen has uploaded more than 20
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: videos centered on her divorce. I'm living for these videos.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: It is an absolute wild ride. I have been consumed
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: with this drama over the weekend. And we've had so
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: many listeners writing to us saying, can we unpack it together?
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Because It's pretty confusing and there are a couple of
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: twists and turns. So everyone buckle in for this. Well, firstly,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of confusion as to why Aspen
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: is suddenly talking about this now. I mean, particularly when
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: she said she'd be staying out of it for the
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: sake of her children. And I think at the time,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of people really respected her. Yeah. And also
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: in that audio that we just listened to, she condemned
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the media and forums for wading into the weeds and
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: being tacky talking about it. And The content that we've
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: seen over the past couple of days is verging on
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: quite tacky. Well, Aspen did explain the reason for her
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: sudden backflip. So she said that she shouldn't have to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: suffer in silence and that when she created her demure video,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: she didn't have all the facts. This is what she said.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: You know that I said I wasn't really going to
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: talk about this a lot, but the other day when
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I was feeling very cutesy and very demure, I didn't
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: know what I know now. You know who did?
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Everybody else.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Everybody else knew the whole time. I mean, I don't
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: even know what to say.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: When she said that everyone else knew, who do you
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: think she's talking about? Is it friends and family or
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: is she referencing the internet? Because there were a lot
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of Reddit forums who have been analyzing their relationship in depth.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: They were the ones who actually broke the news about
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: her divorce. Do you think she's referencing them? I mean, potentially,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: but I also saw a lot of people in the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: comments were like, what? What are we meant to know?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I'm just so desperate
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to find out what it is. My mind instantly jumped
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: to cheating. And she backed this up in a subsequent
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: video by saying this.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Because I feel so sick to my stomach all the time.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: And I feel like I could literally throw up at
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: any moment because I'm in such disbelief about the deception
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: that I have experienced and just like all of the
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: traumatic things that I have been through.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty big thing to say that you've experienced
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: deception because automatically people are going to think that you've
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: been cheated on. Yeah, well, that's where my mind went.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, anytime there is a relationship breakdown, especially when
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you've just had a child, I suppose you think of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: the biggest deception there could be in a relationship. And
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: my mind always goes to cheating. Well, yeah, exactly. Because
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the fact that she filed for divorce on the day
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that she announced that her child had been born, it
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: seemed like it was something very sudden. another layer of
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: complexity to this situation is that Aspen Ovard is a Mormon.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people just expected maybe
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: they would stay together. Well, it's not against their faith
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to get divorced, but it's very frowned upon in those
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: conservative communities. It's interesting because Aspen's parents and also grandparents
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: are divorced. So I think that she saw her mother
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was much happier after getting a divorce and thought, well,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have a better life. Well, interestingly, a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: lot of people have been saying that since this separation,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Aspen looks like she's glowing and she looks really, really happy,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: but she's come out and said that she's completely heartbroken
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and has been crying all the time. She even said
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: she's lost so much weight because she just can't stomach
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: any food.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I would give every single thing I have to.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Be able to change certain things in my life.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Like even being divorced, like I literally, it's like devastated
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: is not even a strong enough word. Like I feel gutted.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like someone literally has.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Like stabbed me over and over and just like dragged
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: the knife. This is not what I ever wanted for
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: my family.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to actually see that because you
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: see her new content and think, oh, she's moved on.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Everything's fine. But this is affecting her like it would
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: anyone else. What I found really fascinating is that Aspen
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: then went on to reveal that during her relationship with Parker,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: she was the only one providing financially for their family.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: She took a real shot at him over this because
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: she said that she was carrying the mental load of
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: raising the kids, being a working mum and providing for them.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he just thought, well, she's earning all
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: this money off social media. You know, when people sort
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of pull down what their partner's doing because it's not
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a conventional job. And take it for granted. Oh, she's earning...
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: bucket loads of money and a lot of the videos
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: were also about the whole family so maybe he felt
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: like well i'm in the video so yeah it was
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: a family vlog this whole concept of him not providing
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: for her was also backed up in another video where
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: she was talking about what she wants in her next
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: relationship and she specified that she wants someone who has
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a job and will financially contribute i mean again the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: bar is kind of on the floor yeah i mean
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that's a good start isn't it yeah Well, Aspen has
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: been talking so much in Riddles and this has, of course,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: led the internet to try and work out what the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: situation actually is. And there have been so many rumours
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: about what has caused this divorce. And one that has
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: started gaining a lot of traction online is that Parker
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: must be gay. Yeah, this was a really uncomfortable rumour
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: because I don't think anyone should expose anyone's sexuality. And
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I think it comes from the fact that, as we
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: touched on, they have grown up in a very conservative environment. environment.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And I suppose that would be somewhat scandalous. Yeah, I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: felt really uncomfortable when I saw those rumors floating around
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: as well. And I think that Often when influencers speak
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: in riddles, this is the outcome that people jump to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: these wild accusations. Well, because everyone wants to know and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it's almost as if the influencer is trying to get
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you to guess what's going on. Well, people are left
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to their own devices, aren't they? Yeah, and this rumor
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: was really fanned by Aspen because randomly she posted a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: video saying that she would never talk about someone's sexuality
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: on the internet and basically that it's their story to tell.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And she also prefaced that growing up in Utah, there's
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a big Mormon community and so many people are not
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: free to be themselves. So instantly everyone's like, she's talking
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: about her ex-husband. That's clearly why they broke up. Well,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: another reason followers jumped to this conclusion was because Aspen
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: included rainbow love hearts in one of her videos. So
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: everyone thought this must be the next clue. Which is
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: quite funny because it was actually a clue about her
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: own sexuality because it She then shared a video with
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: texts over it that said, when everyone thinks he's gay
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: because I put rainbow hearts on my video, but the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: video was literally about me. She then added this sound.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Gay?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Girl, don't play.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: If I was gay, I'd be like, I'm gay. And
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I hang with the gays, but I ain't gay. This
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: was accompanied by the caption, he's not, but I might
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: be a little, we'll see. This got a huge response
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: from her followers. They were saying that this was simply
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: iconic and that they were living for the updates. I
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: saw a lot of people commenting saying, I used to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: be an Aspen Ovard fangirl back in the day. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: all of this drama has meant they've returned now to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: her content. Well, I'm definitely going to be keeping up
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: with her. I think I like this new version of
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: her better. She's more interesting. Now things got even more
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: confusing if that's possible. When Aspen started sharing videos, joking
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that Parker should launch a TikTok career off the drama
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and lead into the villain arc that she's created. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: she was also suggesting different ways that he could go
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: off online. And this led people to think, well, are
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: they friends? Like, is something going on in the background?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Is this all for PR? And Aspen responded saying that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: they have kids together. So of course they're going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: hang out. And occasionally he will be in the background
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of her content. She also used this video as an
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: opportunity to confirm that he's not gay. And to her knowledge,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: she's never been cheated on.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: And she seemed in really good spirits in this video
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: because in all of the other ones, she was very
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: down and upset. And I was surprised because she then
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: revealed that the reason she was in such a good
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: mood was because she had just taken a weed gummy. Now,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: this really does move away from the wholesome family vibe.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: She seems to be rebranding herself. Well, weed is legal
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: in a lot of states in the US, so. Well,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that is a good point, but she's also been talking
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: about how she's drinking more and she never drunk before.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So she's definitely growing up. In another podcast, she said
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that as soon as she turned 25, everything clicked and
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: changed and she thought of the world completely differently. Well,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: if you can believe it, Sophie, Aspen's mother-in-law has also
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: weighed into the drama. So she clearly wasn't pleased by
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Aspen's chaotic posting. And she shared an update to her
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: own Instagram story. I love this so much. So she
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: uploaded a photo of a grizzly bear that was baring
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: its teeth with the caption, stop, mama bear is coming out.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned. And then she added a poll asking her
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: followers if they'd like to hear another side of the story. Well, yes,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I would because I'm utterly confused about this whole situation.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: So he hasn't cheated. He's not gay. What the fuck
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: is going on? Well, things get even more iconic because
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Aspen responded by sharing a video of her straddling Parker
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: in bed with the caption, his mom can't do what
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I can. She then wrote underneath, she might be mama bear,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: but I am mother. Now, for those who haven't seen it,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: she was wearing a white singlet with cherries and white
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: shorts and her crotch area was censored in this video.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And you could see his legs flailing in the background
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: whilst she was straddling him. It was fucking funny. I'm
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: assuming this is an old video. No, he is actively
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: part of this. This is all current. So she then
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: uploaded another video where she was sitting in Parker's lap
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: with this audio. Oscar, listen, baby, I know I was
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: a bad girl, but come on, you'd have to be
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: crazy not to.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Take me back.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Now, this video has had 8 million views. Surely the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: whole family isn't on this. This must be some kind
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of huge TikTok stunt. I ran immediately to the comment
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: section and it was so funny because one follower said,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this is the hardest math problem I've ever had to solve.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Whilst another said, Aspen's TikTok has become my new favourite
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: reality show. And another said, trying to figure this out
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: has become my new favourite game. This is reminding me
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a bit of the Mormon Wives reality show. Some crazy
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: stuff seems to happen in Mormon communities. One follower had
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: an interesting theory and that was that Parker has left
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Aspen in a lot of debt and he has agreed
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to film this content in order to pay back the debt.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Surely not. Well, Aspen immediately debunked this because she announced
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that all of the money that she's made this week
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: off all of her crazy videos, she is going to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: donate to Florida's hurricane victims. Oh, I like that. Yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and she also said that this is not a publicity
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: stunt And that she knows when her daughters see the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: content that she's created when they're older, they will think
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that she is an icon. But how can you be
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: an icon if everyone's so utterly confused about it? what
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: she's talking about? Well, she said it's not that deep
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and the girlies who get it, get it. Now, this
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: is in reference to the fact that a lot of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: her OG followers know that this is her sense of
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: humor because a lot of her longtime followers have come
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: out and created these reaction videos. And they've said, this
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: is just her sense of humor. This is the way
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that she's getting through it by making funny content and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: not getting too deep on it. Well, surely Aspen is
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: going to come out and spill the details on maybe
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: like a Call Her Daddy podcast. Yeah. My gut feeling
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: is that this is down to finances and there's a
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: deal being done behind Aspen's back. What I don't get
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: about this whole situation is Aspen is literally baiting her followers.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And then once they've jumped to a particular conclusion, she goes, Oh, no,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that's not the case. That's not what I was saying. Well,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: why don't you just say it then?
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It's so confusing. I mean, she says, oh, this isn't
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a PR stunt, but it definitely feels like it because
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the fact that Parker is involved in these videos.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Weird.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Like if you are on there ragging on him. saying
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that he hasn't supported you financially, he's potentially gay, he's
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: potentially cheated on you, why would he then be happy
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to appear in the content? Well, I think that's all
• 30:48
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• 30:50
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