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16 gunshots caught on secret tapes kept hidden. The Laquan McDonald Story · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace and again I'm old man
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Speaker 1: when he's in custed again by the police. God, you
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Speaker 1: got your going? You gets okaye? Service? Well I am
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Speaker 1: little here. You're hearing the nine one one call the
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Speaker 1: night that eighteen, a seventeen year old is gunned down.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, syndicated talk show host Dave mcdave
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Speaker 1: what happened. Police were called because there was a report
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Speaker 1: of a young person breaking into cars with a knife.
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Speaker 1: Multiple police converged on the scene, and when we first
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Speaker 1: see the you can hear on that nine one one
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Speaker 1: or the dispatch calls back and forth between law enforcement
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Speaker 1: and dispatch that they drive through a parking lot of
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Speaker 1: a Burger King. That's on the dashcam video that we
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Speaker 1: can see as LaQuan is trying to run away from
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Speaker 1: the police. Okay, stop right there, stop right there, you're
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Speaker 1: telling me. In the video you see the seventeen year
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Speaker 1: old running from police. Yes, ma'am. You actually can see
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Speaker 1: him run directly in front of one of the dash
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Speaker 1: cam videos that clearly shows him spreading through the Burger
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Speaker 1: King parking line. Why was he running from police? Well,
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Speaker 1: they were called because they had a report that there
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Speaker 1: was somebody breaking into cars and that the perpetrator allegedly
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Speaker 1: had a knife. That was the first call. When police arrived,
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Speaker 1: he took off. What I'm trying to determine is whether
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Speaker 1: he was a threat. Kenny Johnson, Atlanta Prosecutor. When you
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Speaker 1: have a fleeing felon, if they pose a threat like
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Speaker 1: they're firing a gun or they're armed and dangerous, that
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Speaker 1: allows police to shoot them. In this case, I'm not
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Speaker 1: hearing that. I'm hearing he was breaking into cars. It
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Speaker 1: is a lag that he had a weapon on him,
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Speaker 1: then that certainly is a threat for police. But where
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Speaker 1: this changes is that the young man was walking away
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Speaker 1: from the hold on. Hold on, Kenya, Kenya, Johnson. You
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Speaker 1: know you've had a lot of courtroom with success. But
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Speaker 1: let me give you a little phrase you may want
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Speaker 1: to use in the future. Don't bring a knife to
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Speaker 1: a gunfight. Okay, Allie, how is a knife? The cops
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Speaker 1: are armed, they're armed with and they're wearing bulletproof vests.
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Speaker 1: So he has a knife and he's running away. As
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Speaker 1: you accurately pointed out what happened, then, Dave mac police
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Speaker 1: surrounded LaQuan as he runs through the Burger King parking lot.
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Speaker 1: He is trying to get away. The police pretty much
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Speaker 1: surround him on three different sides as he walks down
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Speaker 1: the middle of the street. Now they're yelling multiple commands,
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Speaker 1: dropped the knife, you know, get down, and he's not
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Speaker 1: responsive to that. But he's not facing any of them.
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Speaker 1: He's walking away. He's nonchalantly walking away, is what he
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Speaker 1: is shown on the video from the dash cam. He
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Speaker 1: is surrounded by multiple police officers. That's when Officer Van
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Speaker 1: Dyke gets out of the car and within a matter
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Speaker 1: of seconds starts shooting. Now, when you're saying dashkim. Not
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Speaker 1: everybody knows what that means. What is dash kim? Explain? Well,
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Speaker 1: the police officer vehicles actually have a camera that is
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Speaker 1: posted on the dashboard of each vehicle so that you
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Speaker 1: can actually see their perspective or at least the perspective
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Speaker 1: directly in front of their vehicles as they're responding to
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Speaker 1: a call and after they're at the scene as we
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Speaker 1: saw on this where it actually gives the astatic video
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Speaker 1: of whatever takes place. Joining me Joseph Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate on
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Speaker 1: Amazon Joe Scott, why is there such a thing as
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Speaker 1: dash cam video and now body cam video? Well, it
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Speaker 1: helps everybody, you know, so that you can get the
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Speaker 1: story straight. It's a live, real time of videography of
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Speaker 1: the events as the police are witnessing from their perspective. Generally,
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Speaker 1: for the police officer, the cam is positioned center mass
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Speaker 1: on their chests so that they're looking out. Sometimes they'll
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Speaker 1: have it attached to their head, but most of the
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Speaker 1: time it's on their chest. This gives you an idea
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Speaker 1: as to what they're seeing and you can get it
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Speaker 1: from multiple perspectives. For instance, in this particular case, there
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Speaker 1: are multiple units arriving on scene. You have both bodycam
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Speaker 1: views and you have dash cam views. So to you,
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Speaker 1: Dave Max, indicated talk show host, what does the video show?
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Speaker 1: The video on this one dashcam that we actually clearly
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Speaker 1: shows that LaQuan is walking down the middle of the street.
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Speaker 1: He is, and I say this non chalantly because he's
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Speaker 1: not threatening. He's not are you even spreading anymore? He's
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Speaker 1: actually walking down the middle of the street. He is
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Speaker 1: surrounded by police officers and they know that there's a
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Speaker 1: police officer on the way that has a taser gun.
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Speaker 1: He's not approaching any police. He's just walking down the
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Speaker 1: middle of the street ignoring them as if nobody's there.
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Speaker 1: Listen to fifteen feet away from you, what did he do?
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Speaker 1: He never lost eye contact. Guys are bugged now. His
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Speaker 1: face was just expressionless, and he turned his torsel towards
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Speaker 1: me and what if any He waved the knife from
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Speaker 1: his lower right side upwards across his body towards my
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Speaker 1: left shoulder, and he did them one of you. You
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Speaker 1: are Jason Van Dyke under oath to you, Dave Max
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Speaker 1: and the icitd talk show host. How many times was
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Speaker 1: he shot? Nancy? He was shot sixteen times too, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Chris Sperry joining US retired Chief Medical Examiner, Doctor Sperry
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Speaker 1: six stain gunshot wounds. What can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: Lakwan McDonald body? He was riddled with gunshot wounds. That's
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Speaker 1: some amazing. Of the sixteen times that he was shot,
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Speaker 1: almost all of the gunshots hit his arms and legs. Actually,
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Speaker 1: of the sixteen, there were only two of the gunshot
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Speaker 1: wounds which produced lethal or potentially lethal injuries. One struck
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Speaker 1: his trachea or the windpipe at his neck, and the
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Speaker 1: other struck his right lung. But the other fourteen gunshot
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Speaker 1: wounds struck his arms and legs, fractured bones, and cause
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Speaker 1: a lot of soft tissue injury. But that but there
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Speaker 1: were only two that were really ended up being the
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Speaker 1: lethal shot Dodger Sperry, How does a wound to the
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Speaker 1: trachea or the lung? How does that end up being deadly?
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Speaker 1: It seems to me that, I mean, I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 1: You're the MD. How does that end up in a
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Speaker 1: deadly wound? To be shot in the trachea or the lung?
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Speaker 1: Well a gunshot wound to the lung causes massive bleeding
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Speaker 1: inside of the chest cavity where the lung sit. Because
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Speaker 1: the lung is a giant of blood and would we breathe,
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Speaker 1: kind of the air goes in the lung and all
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Speaker 1: of the billions of little blood vessels take up the
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Speaker 1: oxygen and take it to our body. So it's a
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Speaker 1: giant sponge, and a gunshot wood will tear through the
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Speaker 1: lung and cause massive bleeding. A gunshot wound of the
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Speaker 1: trachea is serious because this is our windpipe. This is
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Speaker 1: how we breathe to get air down into the lung,
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Speaker 1: and this will produce severe bleeding in the airway and
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Speaker 1: unfortunately it will cause someone to actually suffocate on their
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Speaker 1: own blood. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Eighteen, a seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old is gunned down running from police. Listen to
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Speaker 1: BBC seven. Van Dyke is the first Chicago police officer
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Speaker 1: to face first agree murder charges in decades. He was
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Speaker 1: charged on the eve of the video's release, which was
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Speaker 1: more than a year after seventeen year old McDonald was killed.
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Speaker 1: Angelo says the video does not tell the whole story.
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Speaker 1: I think officer Van Dyke steps into his training mode
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Speaker 1: and takes action that he believed at that time was justified.
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Speaker 1: Mmmmm okay, So to you, Dave Mac, how damning is
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Speaker 1: that video? What does it prove? It shows that LaQuan
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Speaker 1: was not in any way a threat to the police
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Speaker 1: officers on the scene at the time he was struck,
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Speaker 1: But it shows much more than that. It actually shows
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Speaker 1: that he was shot many many times after the first
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Speaker 1: shot took him down, that there were so many shots
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Speaker 1: after he was laying in the middle of the street.
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Speaker 1: Not a threat to anyone. Mummm, so to you, Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, that's against all police protocol I've ever heard of. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is, Nancy. Once the threat is neutralized, at that point,
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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's pointless to go on and it
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Speaker 1: gives it gives you kind of a you know, it
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Speaker 1: gives people to watch it, this idea that the individuals
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Speaker 1: are indifferent to this person's life, that it's overkilled. Even
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Speaker 1: in the video for our fans that have not seen it,
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Speaker 1: you can see debris flying up off of the asphalt
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Speaker 1: as as the bullet strike the asphalt. So it really
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Speaker 1: paints a very sour picture. Let me ask you Dave mate.
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Speaker 1: Why did it take a year for the dashcam video
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Speaker 1: to turn up, Nancy? It took thirteen months, four hundred days,
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Speaker 1: and the police and the city actually fought it. It
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Speaker 1: was only after a judge forced them to release the
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Speaker 1: dash cam video. It was the release of the dashcam
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Speaker 1: video that brought about the charges against officer Van Dyke.
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Speaker 1: The the officer was charged just a matter of hours
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Speaker 1: before they actually had to release it. They didn't want
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Speaker 1: to release that video. They tried to hold it back
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Speaker 1: to prevent the city and the people from seeing it.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand that to Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor, you know,
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Speaker 1: I hate it when there was wrongdoing on behalf of cops,
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Speaker 1: and it's happened with cops that I've used in vice
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Speaker 1: cases before, because it takes every case they've ever touched.
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Speaker 1: Why But still, long story short, the state is duty
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Speaker 1: bound to seek justice. Why would they fight the release
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Speaker 1: of the video. Well, the law protects ongoing investigation, So
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Speaker 1: even if you were to file an open records request,
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Speaker 1: as long as the investigation is still open or the
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Speaker 1: agency says it is, and they're not bound to release it. However,
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Speaker 1: those elected officials that run on transparency. That's what the
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Speaker 1: public wants to hear, and they want to be able
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Speaker 1: to have access to this. And so the people that
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Speaker 1: have no problems, they're not afraid of what they've done,
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Speaker 1: they feel like they're justified, then they should just go
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Speaker 1: ahead and release it and allow the public to form
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Speaker 1: their own opinion, which ultimately is going to happen anyway.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Urfred Evelyn Holmes at ABC seven,
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Speaker 1: through his lawyer and Jason Van Dyke entered a not
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Speaker 1: guilty ply in court after prosecutors tacked on sixty more
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Speaker 1: counts and a new indictment and the shooting death of
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Speaker 1: Laquon McDonald. Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke now faces
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Speaker 1: new charges in the shooting of LaQuan McDonald and a
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Speaker 1: new indictment unsealed today. Sixteen counts of aggravated battery with
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Speaker 1: a firearm, one for each shot fired at the teenager,
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Speaker 1: were handed down last week by grand jury following the
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Speaker 1: request of the case's special prosecutor, came County Assistant States
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Speaker 1: Attorney Joseph McMahon, who was appointed in August of last year.
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Speaker 1: This morning's indictment still includes these six counts of first
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Speaker 1: degree murder, as well as one count of fial misconduct
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Speaker 1: that were filed against Van Dyke in November twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 1: The thirty eight year old Chicago comp is accused of
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Speaker 1: shooting seventeen year old Quan McDonald sixteen times in October
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, but wasn't charged until a year later, when
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Speaker 1: dash cam video of the incident was released, sparking protests
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Speaker 1: across the city and the country. Listen to officer Jason
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Speaker 1: Van Dyke under Oh, was Quan McDonald doom advancing on me?
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Speaker 1: And could you see him his face? Yeah? I could,
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Speaker 1: I wondered anything. Did you notice about the space? His
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Speaker 1: face had no expression, His eyes were just bugging out
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Speaker 1: of his head. He had just these huge white eyes
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Speaker 1: just staring right through me. And did you see anything?
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Speaker 1: To quasto, I was yelling at him, dropped the knife.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, but it's all I yell.
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Speaker 1: And did he keep it advancing toward me? He never stopped.
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Speaker 1: How closity gets to you good, probably about ten to
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Speaker 1: fifteen feet away from me. To Dave Matt, is that
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Speaker 1: what the video shows? No, ma'am. And actually you know
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Speaker 1: when he says that he was that LaQuan was advancing
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Speaker 1: on him. If you go back and watch that dash
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Speaker 1: cam video, you can actually see LaQuan walking in a
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Speaker 1: straight line down the street. The only person advancing was
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Speaker 1: Officer Van Dyke when he exits the vehicle and continues
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Speaker 1: to approach la Quan. Listen to BBC seven. The suspended
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Speaker 1: police officer will have his day in court today appears
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Speaker 1: to begin the local process that will likely result in
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Speaker 1: Jason Van Dyke on trial. Murder. The Chicago police officer
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Speaker 1: at the center of a controversial civilian shooting, had no
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Speaker 1: comment as he walked into a Cook County courthouse amid
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Speaker 1: heckling from the crowd. The fourth today, Officer Jason Van
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Speaker 1: Dyke pleaded not guilty for the murder of Laquon McDonald.
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Speaker 1: Video of the shooting gain national attention. McDonald's family wants
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Speaker 1: the court proceedings to also get as much attention. McDonald
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Speaker 1: was shot sixteen times last October. Police had been pursuing
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Speaker 1: McDonald for allegedly trying to break into park cards. Officer
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Speaker 1: Van Dyke, now suspended from the Chicago Police Department, was
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Speaker 1: on the scene four seconds before firing at the seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old. Prosecutors previously alleged some of the shots were
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Speaker 1: fired once the teenager with a three inch folding knife
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Speaker 1: was on the ground to listen our friends at pot
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Speaker 1: thirty two. The Jason Vandyke jury heard today from two
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Speaker 1: eyewitnesses to the LaQuan mc donald shooting, one of them
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Speaker 1: a police officer Jason Vandyke's partner, the other one a
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Speaker 1: twenty six year old man who just happened upon the scene.
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Speaker 1: While he was on his feet, did you see him
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Speaker 1: make any threatening movements? No. After he's on the ground
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Speaker 1: and you said you heard more and more shots, did
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Speaker 1: you see him make any threatening movements? No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: Xavier Torres's father was driving him to the hospital with
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Speaker 1: flu symptoms when they noticed a lot of police activity
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Speaker 1: and went to see what was going on. Torres told
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Speaker 1: the jury that Lakwan McDonald did not appear to be
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Speaker 1: threatening police before he was shot. What did it appear
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Speaker 1: he was doing when he was walking southwest? Just again,
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Speaker 1: looks like he was shying to get away from from
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Speaker 1: other officers. Torres's testimony was contradicted by Jason Van Dyke's partner.
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Speaker 1: On the night of the shooting. Former officer Joseph Walsh
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Speaker 1: testified that dash cam video of the incident doesn't reflect
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Speaker 1: what he saw. My angle is totally different from that perspective,
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Speaker 1: he told the jury. Well, the jury got to see
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Speaker 1: if we're themselves listen to this. We adjoury find the defendant,
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Speaker 1: Jason Bandit, guilty of second degree murder. We the jury
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Speaker 1: find a defendant, j Aband guilty of aggravated battery with
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Speaker 1: the firearm first shots. We joury find a defendant by
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Speaker 1: guilty of aggravated battery with the firearm second shots. We
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Speaker 1: jury find a defendant, Jason Bandit, guilty of aggravated battery
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Speaker 1: with farm six shots. Crime stories with me It's grace.
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Speaker 1: We jury find the defendant, Jason Vandi, guilty of second
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Speaker 1: degree murder. We adjoury find the defendant Jamandi am guilty
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Speaker 1: of aggravated battery with the firearm first shot. We enjoury
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Speaker 1: find a defendant by guilty of aggravated battery with the firearm.
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Speaker 1: The second shots. We jury find the defendant Jason Vand
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Speaker 1: guilty of aggravated battery with firearm six shots. Okay, let
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Speaker 1: me understand, Dave Matt what was the sentence. The sentence
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Speaker 1: is what is actually shocking, Nancy um a little over
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Speaker 1: six years on the charge of second degree murder, along
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Speaker 1: with those sixteen counts of aggravated battery being folded into
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Speaker 1: that decision. The judge okay, wait, wait, wait, six years,
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Speaker 1: that's it, that's it. Hold on, tell me that again.
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Speaker 1: What did you just say, six years on witch count
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Speaker 1: on the second degree murder charge? Did he have gotten
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Speaker 1: on second degree murder? Well? All, I think with all
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Speaker 1: of the charges, including the sixteen aggravated battery charges, he
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Speaker 1: was looking at sixty or seventy years. Okay, what happened
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Speaker 1: to all those agg battery charges, what happened to these
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Speaker 1: sentences on them? Well? What they actually did the judge,
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Speaker 1: and you'll know a lot more about this than me,
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Speaker 1: But the aggravated battery the more serious charge on the
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Speaker 1: books and carried the stiffer penalty. But the judge in
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Speaker 1: this case decided on that murder, the second agree murder
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Speaker 1: being more serious in the case. So all the convictions,
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Speaker 1: the sixteen accounts of aggravated battery were actually folded into
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Speaker 1: the murder conviction under one Act law. That's how they
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Speaker 1: could give him such a short sentence. Okay, I think
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Speaker 1: I know what he's saying. To Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor explained, well,
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Speaker 1: you've got maximum and mandatory minimums on some murder charges,
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Speaker 1: but in this case there was no mandatory minimum, so
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Speaker 1: the judge had the full range of sentencing options to
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Speaker 1: include pulvation if the judge wanted to wait, are you
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Speaker 1: telling me that a second degree murder charge in that
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Speaker 1: jurisdiction of Chicago you can get straight probation for second
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Speaker 1: degree murder With the six year sentence, it doesn't appear
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Speaker 1: that there's any mandatory sentence, and the judge has the
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Speaker 1: ability to suspend or probbate or in custody any charge
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Speaker 1: that they want as far as the sentence is concerned.
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Speaker 1: And even though the jury spoke and the community spoke,
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Speaker 1: what ultimately matters is that judge his opinion, and by
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Speaker 1: this six year sentence, the judge felt that this defendant
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Speaker 1: was somehow justified in some way to allow for a
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Speaker 1: much lesser sentence than the case than the case required.
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Speaker 1: Take a listener, friends. At pot thirty two, Judge Vincent
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Speaker 1: Gone sentencing Jason Van Dyke to eighty one months in
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Speaker 1: prison and two years of mandatory supervision on the second
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Speaker 1: degree murder charges. He said he made no judgment at
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Speaker 1: all on the sixteen counts of aggravated battery, rolling those
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Speaker 1: all into one action and tying them into the second
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Speaker 1: degree murder charges only. Well, there is the theory of merger, okay,
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Speaker 1: and that's this is what that means. Let's just say
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Speaker 1: that doctor Chris Sperry breaks into my house and steals
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Speaker 1: what can he steal? The cat tree? Okay, So we
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Speaker 1: have a felony burglary. Doesn't matter what you steal. If
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Speaker 1: you break into a home in or a home with
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Speaker 1: felonious intent intend to commit a felony, that's a burglary. Okay.
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Speaker 1: We don't also charge him with criminal trespass. We don't
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Speaker 1: also charge him with attempted burglary, because all of those
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Speaker 1: incidents merge into the ultimate indictment on burglary. Okay. So
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if in this case, the batteries, the aggravated batteries,
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Speaker 1: which would be shooting someone causing them a loss of blood,
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Speaker 1: loss of lung, loss of use of your trachea, if
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Speaker 1: those did not merge to the second degree murder. That's
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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about the One Act, the merger law.
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Speaker 1: So what I'm understanding to syndicated talk show host Dave Mack.
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Speaker 1: In addition to second degree murderer, Van Dyke was also
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Speaker 1: convicted on sixteen counts of agg battery, one for each
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Speaker 1: shot that was fired. But it seems that the judge
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Speaker 1: did not factor in the aggravated battery counts. No, he didn't.
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Speaker 1: He just folded it all together. And you know that's
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Speaker 1: why he said at the beginning, I assume a hundred
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Speaker 1: percent of the people are going to be disappointed in
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Speaker 1: this decision. You know, the Attorney General, the special prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: they all appealed to get a stiffer sentence, but all
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Speaker 1: those they were all denied. Well, we also know that
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Speaker 1: minimum maximum on second degree murderer in that jurisdiction is
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Speaker 1: four to twenty years, so he did sentence within that.
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Speaker 1: But oh gosh, well what about this do we know,
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Speaker 1: Dave macdid he didn't fire or did he fire all
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Speaker 1: sixteen rounds? According to everything we've seen, Nancy, he's the
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Speaker 1: only one that fired his weapon. So all sixteen rounds
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Speaker 1: directly attributed to Van Dyke. Wow, okay, what can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about the investigation that ensued. It was a
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Speaker 1: thirteen month long investigation into Chicago PD that followed the
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Speaker 1: shooting Nancy. There were multiple investigations that went on, and
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, a thirteen month investigation into the Chicago
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Speaker 1: Police Department, because you've got to remember that, not only
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Speaker 1: did they have the report from Van Dyke of what
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Speaker 1: he claimed happened the night he shot Lakwan McDonald, there
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Speaker 1: are other officers on the scene that also fired reports
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Speaker 1: that seemed to corroborate what Van Dyke was claiming happened.
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Speaker 1: And based on what we've seen in the video and
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Speaker 1: what we saw in court, well, somebody wasn't being truthful
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Speaker 1: on what they were backing up. That's what led to
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Speaker 1: the US Justice Department actually reporting some horrible results on
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Speaker 1: what they found out during their investigation into the Chicago
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Speaker 1: p D. Well, you know, I know that you're saying
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Speaker 1: that all those cops corroborated what Van Dyke says, but
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Speaker 1: that's not what the video says. So you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't really care what everybody else is saying to try
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Speaker 1: to cover for him, and that's not what the video says.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Dane Plaqueo Fox thirty two.
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Speaker 1: When you feel safe in prison? Are you concerned about
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Speaker 1: your safety in prison? Yeah? Concerned. When I had to
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Speaker 1: go to county jail eight is for personal protection. I
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Speaker 1: can't remember the exact term. What was it, Lincoln County Jail.
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Speaker 1: It was horrible. I was in solitary confinement twenty three
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Speaker 1: hours a day. When I went out, I be the
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Speaker 1: only individual out on the floor. He had an hour
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Speaker 1: to shower, try and make a phone call at by
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Speaker 1: every six o'clock in the morning to a loved one.
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Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you interact with anybody else. Clint, you
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Speaker 1: were that high risk. Yes. Now in the last days,
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Speaker 1: what happened to the cop officer Jason Van Dyke when
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Speaker 1: he was put in jail following the guilty verdict. You know,
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Speaker 1: they actually had him in a jail. They're not far
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Speaker 1: from Chicago, and they had to move him into a
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Speaker 1: federal prison. It was only a matter of hours after
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Speaker 1: he was moved into a new prison that somehow a
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Speaker 1: number of inmates got to him and apparently allegedly beat
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Speaker 1: him up. Nothing life threatening, but they let him know
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Speaker 1: that he was not wanted in general population. Dave Mack
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Speaker 1: is it true that officer Jason Van Dyke had a
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Speaker 1: long history of allegations of excessive force? Yes, man, for years, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this guy had over twenty different reports of excessive force
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Speaker 1: or using racial epithets. I mean, we had nine different
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Speaker 1: charges against him from the community where they claimed he
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Speaker 1: used excessive force and nothing was ever done. You know.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Patricia Saunder, psychologists joining us from New York,
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Speaker 1: why is this so dangerous a precedent? The blue Wall
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Speaker 1: has been in place for a very long and it's
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Speaker 1: inadequate protection of the public when police are willing to
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Speaker 1: or allegedly falsifying reports of serious crimes committed by a
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Speaker 1: police and they don't monitor themselves adequately. It hurts me
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Speaker 1: so much when a police officer is convicted or suspected
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Speaker 1: of wrongdoing, because I love the system. I'm part of
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Speaker 1: the system, but we can never choose to turn away
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Speaker 1: from injustice, and this is injustice. He had to be convicted.
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Speaker 1: What he did was wrong, and it puts a pale
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Speaker 1: on all future cases because people will think of this case.
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Speaker 1: To Dave mac you mentioned the investigation into the Chicago
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Speaker 1: Police depart following this shooting. It reportedly sparked reform. What
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Speaker 1: type of reform. Well, a number of higher ups in
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Speaker 1: the police department were either fired or allowed to retire.
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Speaker 1: The reforms go all the way down to retraining police
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Speaker 1: officers on how to interact with individuals they come into
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Speaker 1: contact with. The results of the investigation, Nancy, are horrific
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Speaker 1: and you would be shocked to see the level of
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Speaker 1: evidence of racial bias, the evidence of unchecked violence against
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Speaker 1: the regular citizenry when they came in contact with the
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Speaker 1: police department prior to this happening. He could be released
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Speaker 1: after just three years? Is that true? And do you
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Speaker 1: believe justice was served? Yeah? Three years, Nancy, And no,
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Speaker 1: I'm it makes me say to my stomach to think
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Speaker 1: that this is what can happen. This is not justice.
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Speaker 1: It's not justice for LaQuan, It's not justice for anybody.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Her name is Ada Adaya Shabani,
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Speaker 1: Beautiful inside and out, say her close friends, who also
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Speaker 1: say they're worried sick over the twenty five year old
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Speaker 1: who's been missing since February twenty third. We just pray
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Speaker 1: for her and hopefully she's gonna show up. Her acting
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Speaker 1: teacher saying She'd never missed a class until that faithful
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Speaker 1: day February twenty third, when she was last seen near
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Speaker 1: her apartment complex on Wilcox and Hollywood Boulevard. Since then,
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Speaker 1: say sources, her phone has not been used, and the
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Speaker 1: girl who used to post daily on her social media
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Speaker 1: accounts has gone silent. We are talking about a beautiful,
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Speaker 1: beautiful young girl, a missing model. You is well, a
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Speaker 1: body has been found in a shallow California grave. What
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Speaker 1: do we know? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Straight out to crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter Lee Egan Crime Online, where
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Speaker 1: you can find this in all of the breaking crim
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Speaker 1: in justice news. Lee. I want to start with how
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Speaker 1: she goes missing. Tell me that and then we'll figure
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Speaker 1: out from what we know if this is her in
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Speaker 1: the shallow grave. Well, Nancy, what we know is, at
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Speaker 1: around eleven am February twenty third, twenty eighteen, she sends
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Speaker 1: a text to a friend asking for red candles, and
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Speaker 1: then after that nothing. There was no activity on any
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Speaker 1: of her social media accounts, and she was extremely active
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Speaker 1: on all of those no text messages. Her phone shut
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Speaker 1: off shortly after her last message and then she's just
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Speaker 1: gone completely disappeared, joining me right now, Juvenile court judge,
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Speaker 1: trial attorney. You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot
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Speaker 1: com Ashley Wilcot. That's significant. Now, that doesn't tell me
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Speaker 1: any intricacies or any details of her disappearance, But more
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Speaker 1: and more cops are looking at your cell phone, your
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Speaker 1: social media. If you're an active poster or you live
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Speaker 1: on your cell phone, you're constantly texting and then suddenly
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Speaker 1: it goes quiet. That's a big, circumstantial piece of evidence. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: it's a great clue, especially Nancy, given this. We all
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Speaker 1: know that those who enjoy social media don't usually take
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Speaker 1: a break or not do it unless they've gone on
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Speaker 1: a little weekend trip or a vacation, but then they
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Speaker 1: go right back to the social media. So when someone
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Speaker 1: doesn't like she didn't on Monday, that's a huge clue
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Speaker 1: that there's a problem. The other thing I have to
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Speaker 1: say is, boy, does it not give you a clue
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Speaker 1: to hear that she went reached out to a friend
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Speaker 1: about getting red candles, which to me suggests a romantic weekend,
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Speaker 1: a weekend away with someone special, and then disappears. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that at all. I would think ray candle's. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm sticking away a candle holder somewhere that I hope
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Speaker 1: and pray to God the twins never lie and burn
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Speaker 1: down the house. You think romantic weekend away, Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: just gonna take that with a box of salt. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at KTLA. This is Rick Chamber,
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Speaker 1: Susan's here. They hit the sidewalk this evening here in Hollywood,
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Speaker 1: getting the word out about Addia Shabani, who disappeared six
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Speaker 1: days ago. I don't know, I don't know what to think.
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Speaker 1: I I just want to find her. The twenty five
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Speaker 1: year old actress left her apartment here at the Duet
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Speaker 1: on Wilcox in Hollywood last Friday at about noon, and
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Speaker 1: no one has seen her since, which is out of character.
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Speaker 1: This is not her, This is not her. Something is
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Speaker 1: going on with her. We don't know where she's it's
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Speaker 1: just so sad. We're just hoping she's alive. At first,
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Speaker 1: friends thought Shavanni was just busy, but then she missed
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Speaker 1: an important class here at the Stella Adler Theater. So
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Speaker 1: those same friends ask the LAPD to do a welfare
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Speaker 1: check back at her apartment. You know, right there, you're
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Speaker 1: hearing what leads up to the announcement that this beautiful
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Speaker 1: young actress, Adiashabani has gone missing, and she really is gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: In the acting world, you know, you meet so many
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Speaker 1: different people. You're constantly going for tryouts and auditions to
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Speaker 1: Karen start joining me psychologist at Karen Stark dot com,
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Speaker 1: joining me today out of New York. You know, Karen.
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Speaker 1: In that line of business, you're constantly meeting different people
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Speaker 1: at all of these audiens. It's not like a lot
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Speaker 1: of people go to their office every day and they're
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Speaker 1: around the same people every day, So you kind of
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Speaker 1: have a smaller group of people to suspect when you're
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Speaker 1: out doing auditions, traveling from one place to the next,
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Speaker 1: trying to get a gig. It really widens up the
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Speaker 1: scope of investigation. It does. It definitely does. But she
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Speaker 1: had so many people that she was staying in touch
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Speaker 1: with and so many friends that after a while she
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Speaker 1: knew enough people that they were worried about her and
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Speaker 1: I success that under those circumstances, they really didn't know
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Speaker 1: her and they understood that something was definitely wrong. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about the discovery of a body in
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Speaker 1: a shallow grave. Here is Katie TV's Feel Human Listening
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Speaker 1: a shallow grave. This is about fifty miles north of Sacramento.
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Speaker 1: The LAPD says they believe the remains are Shabani's, that
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Speaker 1: is not one hundred percent. They do not yet have
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Speaker 1: a cause of death, or they are saying they believed
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Speaker 1: that Shabani was the victim of a homicide. Let's hear
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Speaker 1: from Captain Hayes, Los Angeles. Pushed divers were searching that
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Speaker 1: area and walking the shores. There was a water's edge
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Speaker 1: where they found what they believed to be a shallow grave.
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Speaker 1: When we checked it, we were able to determine that
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Speaker 1: it contain human remains, but because of the condition of
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Speaker 1: the area, we were not able to recover the body immediately.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go out to our friend,
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Speaker 1: doctor William Maroney, Deputy medical Examiner, Bay County, Michigan, author
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Speaker 1: of American Narcan on Amazon to doctor William Maroney, how
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Speaker 1: do you go about identifying remains that have been out
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Speaker 1: in the desert in a shallow grave and what does
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Speaker 1: that temperature and those circumstances due to the body. The
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Speaker 1: first thing you have to look at is a chart
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Speaker 1: of humidity and temperature to judge backwards and calculate how
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Speaker 1: old or how long it's been there. And that's going
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Speaker 1: to entail entomology, the study of insects that eat carrion
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Speaker 1: and carnage and break the body down after gaseous discomposition.
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Speaker 1: Anybody outside any not anybody like like all you buddies,
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Speaker 1: but a body, any body is going to go through
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Speaker 1: regular decomposition, which could take you know, a couple days
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Speaker 1: in warm weather, a couple of weeks it was cool.
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Speaker 1: But bugs, flies, gnats, and maggots break the body down
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Speaker 1: based on temperature and humidity, and the blowfly sets up
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Speaker 1: eggs that hatch in a couple of days and then
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Speaker 1: help decomposition and eat tissue, and then they grow through
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Speaker 1: stages that take a various number of partial weeks, and
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Speaker 1: then those maggots turn into flies themselves, and they're able
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Speaker 1: to trace that. Now later, when a body is drier
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Speaker 1: and it's undergone significant decomposition, other insects like beetles come
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Speaker 1: into the scene. So as long as you're dealing with
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Speaker 1: blowflies and maggots, you're talking about a relative number of
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Speaker 1: days or weeks, no more than three or four weeks.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go out to special guest, Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: joining us. This guy, this person of interest, Spots. What
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Speaker 1: do you believe was at the heart of her crime
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Speaker 1: of passion? I think, no matter what, hands down, this
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Speaker 1: is a crime of passion. Something about again leaving with
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Speaker 1: the suitcases, with the red candles, the fact that she
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Speaker 1: had the trauma that she endured, where she was buried,
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Speaker 1: how far away. I think it was a crime of passion.
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Speaker 1: And then they said, oh, we've got to do something
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Speaker 1: with this body, and this is what we're gonna do.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, I agree with you because this guy, thirty
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Speaker 1: three year old Chris Spots, had been Adia's boyfriend, okay,
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Speaker 1: and he had been engaged to another woman. We know
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Speaker 1: that there was a high speed police chase. At the end,
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Speaker 1: he kills himself. Why would he do that if he
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Speaker 1: were not somehow involved with this? We wait as justice unfolds.
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