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Bear Bones: To IR and Back Again, 2025 Week 15: Cleveland Browns @ Chicago Bears · 2nd City Gridiron

0:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome the pair of bones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Make your holes.
1:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Mason West.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, everyone, to this episode of Bear Bones as always, I am Dr. Mason West, Dr. of Physical Therapy and also, I have a bear's hand here to talk about this upcoming game.
1:22
[SPEAKER_01]: You get me solo today, little scheduling quirk, if any can't make it.
1:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I'll just be taking the rants today.
1:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Couple of things just to go over.
1:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've gotten some questions.
1:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're still gonna be doing preview shows and all that if, no, not if win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When the bears make the playoffs, we're gonna have a couple of guests still to finish out the year and then something more special for y'all for the playoffs as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So keep an eye on that.
1:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So still Thursdays, nothing's changed in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they didn't really know reason.
1:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Also coming up with the, with Christmas, there will not be one on Christmas, but I might try to pump one out Christmas morning if I have some time before I head off to do some holiday festivities.
2:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, that's, but there wouldn't be anything Thursday just because how Christmas Eaves gonna work in all that jazz.
2:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So just a couple of tidbits there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we are here, not to talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's in a couple of weeks where we're here to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the Bears Browns game is a Browns come to soldier field.
2:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're gonna go into our chart review.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are gonna be where we're going to just go over some, you know, some quotes some things from the week that popped up that I found interesting, that maybe you'll find your thing as well.
2:40
[SPEAKER_01]: First one up, this is after the Eagle, let's give you a little use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After the Packers game, Ben Johnson said this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will be a playoff team once we earn enough wins become a playoff team right now.
2:53
[SPEAKER_01]: We are a nine win team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think nine wins is going to get you in this year.
2:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have to do what we can to get enough wins to find a way to get into the tournament.
3:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, that's kind of obvious, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nine wins is not gonna do it, but I think that mentality of one game at a time at this point, who you are, you are a nine wins team.
3:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're not gonna be, that's just, that's just is what it is, right?
3:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And even, let's be real, 10 wins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the set of C is a good chance not getting you in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: even with the expanded playoff format.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's even a situation that if you get to 11 wins, you still may not get in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that one's more specific.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the basically the bears and the lions both end up at 11 wins and the bears don't beat the lions and we get teen as part of that 11, they're not getting that situation either.
3:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's one week at a time and nothing is given to you and this league is all earned.
3:46
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears had an opportunity to earn
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[SPEAKER_01]: one step closer and they were not unable to do that last week against the packer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love that mentality from Ben Johnson, and I think that you see that mentality throughout this team, just, you know, combined, since it's some sort of things Caleb as well this weekend.
4:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So as long as that's at good if you're the locker room, I think you're still in good hands mentality wise.
4:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking to Kevin Bier, Kevin Bier and how many wins it will take to make the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to get at least two wins to get the playoffs three or four to win the division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like that because it does highlight, I mean, it's something maybe necessarily new, but I think sometimes it's good to bring it up the fact that players are paying attention, right?
4:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And they care, they're not just sitting there, they say the week by week thing and because that's who's in front of you, that's not straight through, but they know, they know what it's gonna take to make the playoffs, they know what it would take to win the division, they know what it would take to get home field advantage.
4:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And that also shows that they care, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Layhamson, what he likes working with Ben Johnson, our open communication, I think it's just the bond we're building, the details as offense takes is going to take a little more than a year to get on his level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a couple of things in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the biggest thing for me is the layered and almost like onset respect there, right?
5:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to take more than a year to get on his level.
5:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, Ben Johnson's offense, he should have a wrangle on it, but Caleb essentially
5:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have all the answers and I need more time and more time specifically Ben to get those answers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He respects his mind as a coach and I think, you know, going into the year, there were some people questioning, you know, where Caleb was at mentally, would he be able to take hard coaching, do you want to be coached all this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he does, you see that, you see, you see that on a weekly basis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you see that in the comments he makes, you see that with his body language, you see that with the way he handles things with teammates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, the next line that's also from Caleb is on how he felt he handled the Packers game ending the way that it did.
5:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I feel great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It goes to the MJ quote, he missed how many game winners you move on from it.
6:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think nine times out of 10, I'll hit.
6:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And so far this year, you know, in 4th, Mr. 4th quarter, ice man, he's he's come up clutch in the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen time and time again how many times he's been able to lead a fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now obviously we should you didn't need that they didn't have you didn't need that last drive to try to put it away that the offense had cut started hotter great you know you're spotted the packers of 14 to three lead there and obviously you arguably outplayed them in the second half but it was it was a tough pill to climb up so that mentality of one that he believes in himself that
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, overcome and really win in those moments, but then also you can't dwell on it, right?
6:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you bring the negativity or anything that was from last week into this week, it's going to affect your ability against the frowns.
6:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day, the browns are the most important opponent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the ones next on the schedule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, again, trying to get to those 11 wins, this has to be one that you that you win as a part of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ron, when I was skating 2 9 1 5, Jay Cutler to the Bears, pretty funny considering Yo-Philibrary was coming out of retirement, age 44, to try to keep the cold hopes alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Considering Jay Cutler relatively recently got arrested for DUI and how his career ended.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if the Bears were in a precarious situation where Caleb was not available, I'm not
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, next one, training room round up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a peek at the Bears and Brown's injury reports and just to not bury the lead by the way that the Brown's injury report is wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll dive into that, but it's a whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for the Bears, Carla Gordon D&P's the last two days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I'm going to be honest, I don't expect him to play again this season unless there's some really deep play off-run.
8:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Soft tissue issues, if you've listened to this podcast before, you know that I consistently talk about them being a little bit on the more complicated things to deal with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least like a broken bone, you know the time light on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's six to eight weeks for bone to heal and all that jazz.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Soft tissue is so it's react, so we act if you have to have a strain and it could take you a week to get back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have a strain into three-month process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just depends on the individual and a multitude of other factors.
8:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, when you layer in the fact that and coins on another whole conversation compared to like a quad strain, you know, quad some much easier to deal with growing just because of how close it is in terms of how it deals with the pelvic floor and just core stability things about nature, the bears themselves right they they had first hand dealing with this with the jailing Johnson entry from over the summer and how long.
8:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And what ended up happening there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He came back, arguably too fast, control had a controversial issue, which required surgery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not trying to have the same thing happen with Kyle Gordon, especially with his general history of soft tissue issues.
9:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you wrap all of that up, I mean, I don't think they're gonna throw him.
9:12
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, they didn't say what to ask, but why has an easy on I-R yet?
9:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because they're not sure.
9:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And once you put them on I-R now, it's a four-week conversation.
9:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you, for sure, right, can not have him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for those four weeks first and let's say unless you're ready to basically say, hey, you know, we're shall, and he just he's already on it to for this year.
9:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's so many factors that go into it in terms of why he wouldn't be, wouldn't be on it right now.
9:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would not be surprised if we don't see color growing again in in 2025.
9:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Travis Homer, not sure where that pops up from DMP with the ankle.
9:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Must have been something, you know, something from the game, but it's not exactly a special team, so that's the only thing he's really like attributing right now.
9:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman Dunes, a limited participant, have having grown back would be big, you know, you
10:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You've missed him the most last week and some of those got to have it third down situations and the long longer just right when it was second and 15s, you know, rooms the one running the day come up from the back side normally and who he was early in the year for it was the first read on a lot of progressions and, you know, you had you had a trouble moving the ball in that first half of the bulls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears had to get more creative in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot more play action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They broke up, broke up the diamond formation to help with protections, things of that nature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, having room back is definitely going to be helpful.
10:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I got someone reached out and asked, well, if he's a limited participant, does that mean that the stress fracture was overblown?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He still has a stress fracture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not healed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The difference really what they're at at this point is, so a stretch fracture and a fracture, a traditional fracture or a different stretch fracture is, essentially a line in the bone that is still technically a break, but there's not enough separation to be a true true fracture, but it's still painful by a abrasion still bothers it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pressure still bothers it, taking unloads still bothers it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Versus a traditional fracture right, there's actually potential shifting in movements of that bone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's not, it's, again, it's not heals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He, it's just, he's playing through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's painful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he needs the week off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you take the week off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You let inflammation go down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You try to do some stability work around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just have them also do a little extra work around there.
11:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say there's always a chance that the fracture could get worse, like it could become a full-blown fracture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the hope is that right those conversations are happening behind the scenes between Rome and the people close to him, the training staff, the coaches in the GM, that this is something that Rome's comfortable with, that he can produce and sound a surprise, that, you
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[SPEAKER_01]: was also right around we started kind of being on the injury report, you know, it's hard to run on a stress fracture.
12:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not surprising that he was not able to run as fast, produces much force, jump as high, you know, and then that's the bubbles of game of inches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's happening, now the sudden that catch where you had
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, six inches of space, you now have four inches of space, and that's could be the difference between a completion or not.
12:26
[SPEAKER_01]: On a, on a, on any given route, the difference on being able to cut at 100% versus being able to cut at 40% that's the difference between, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's he on a snap count, just because they're trying to manage that foot, still things that nature, there's a good chance that, but it'll be good to happen back.
12:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Tyre Stevenson, let me participate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Other two, I would think Tyre is less likely to play than Rome.
13:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe he has a hip flexor strain from what I understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's a little too easy to have it on Friday because if it is a hip flexor strain as I've heard, then ultimately
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're just trying to protect that, the don't want an exacerbation of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hive flexor, it's always, it's honestly over-talked about in terms of how tight Hive flexors get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could get on a whole tie right about that, but we're not gonna do that here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really though, lack of the strength of the Hive flexor is just so important to, especially think about a defensive back where, you know, your back pedaling have to drive your foot into the ground and make a break on the ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we'll keep an eye on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a key as I would, I don't know much on that one to be honest, but I wouldn't worry about it.
13:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like you finished up pretty well in that game.
13:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think this is kind of more similar to in the past where the bears are just kind of handled people's early week a bit more gingerly and then they're ready to go for the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rubin hit light is back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take that for what you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jackson's a pretty good job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think Rubin's gonna be starting anytime soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jackson would continue to start there in that place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so just browsing 8482, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, your questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The will get to the specifics of the matchup later in the show that that'll be coming in the morning in the second half.
14:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So just put a painting that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jalen Johnson was full.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing still on a snap count.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's increasing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're also getting going to get into the point where you have some, I don't know if problems are right word, but you have some interesting things to to think about here where.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jalen, you're trying to increase the snap count.
14:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's been creating a lot of turnovers, a lot of splash plays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, he does a lot of yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been allowing a lot of touchdowns.
15:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You do have to keep that in mind.
15:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you're going to try and bring Tyreak back.
15:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you manage that, right?
15:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Is Nishan more of the closer to 100% corner and Jail and Johnson and Tyreak rotates?
15:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's still the ones on the injury report.
15:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it just playing a hot hand?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is this ultimately going to look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know.
15:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll honestly, what that's going to look like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would think that just like I just said there, Tyreak and Jail on would be the ones that are more rotating.
15:28
[SPEAKER_01]: One, just because of how rights have been playing, but two, because they're the ones that are more banged up.
15:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But as hopefully they get healthier, you're gonna have to figure out how you're managing that.
15:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And because, yes, you have color Gordon now, but none of them are nickels, they don't play that in that way.
15:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and you have CJ Gardner Jonathan and you're as your nickel at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he can move back to seat D or rotate, but you know, so you have a lot of moving pieces here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll just be interesting to see all till you have that managed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, luckily the various one was relatively short.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Browns isn't saying, I'm not reading all these names.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's nuts, so if I'm just in general, so the ones that you need to know, the Browns put Ethan Poechick, their starting center, and Jerome Ford.
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[SPEAKER_01]: both on IR, in addition to the Team Signed Center, Darian Dalkourt, Defense Attack, while the Keith Cooper to their practice while I had released a couple of guys, it doesn't really matter.
16:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Just some other notes, former Bayer's second round picked, haven't Jenkins made his first start of the season for the Browns last week at Right Guard.
16:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, as bears fans know, Jenkins is pretty much always hurt in some capacity, so he pops up on the report today.
16:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he was limited with a shoulder injury.
16:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're down their starting center of Joel Betonio, who they're starting guard with a need of back didn't participate the last two days.
16:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so Jack Conklin, their tackle concussion the last two days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sticking mainly with the big names here.
16:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Mason Graham, DNP's blast two days of starting defensive tackles for the rib injury.
17:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Shelby Harris came back in, so he was a limited excuse me, he popped up in the injury report today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a very good defensive tackle for the Browns.
17:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I might remember that I don't worry about you.
17:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Dylan Samson, they're a one of their rookie running back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he actually was taking along with Quenchon Jenkins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was didn't participate the last two days with Kath and Han, David and Jo Koo, they're starting to end, didn't participate the last two days but me, Carson, Swesinger, I expect him to play, but he was limited the last two days with ankle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why tell her another guard didn't participate in the last two days?
17:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Such a killman, concussion and rape, didn't participate in the last two days.
17:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a war when we're starting corners, didn't participate in the last two days with a calf.
17:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, oh, it's X-inter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another guard, while pops up of the injury report today, limited participant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just like the main name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's also, there's a bunch of guys on this list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I haven't followed the Browns enough to know, like, is this just something that they do?
18:04
[SPEAKER_01]: You write, do they do they just have a lot of guys just kind of not participating in the playing game day?
18:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is interesting because with all those names, I mean, the Browns are basically just down to Whipler and now Jenkins is a Whipler as they're starting guys.
18:20
[SPEAKER_01]: You would have Robinson Lucas and Loveson outside.
18:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It this holds the the browser down bad, especially on that old line.
18:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that'll actually connect to a point that I'm have later in the show regarding the bears and hopefully and maybe getting a pass rush going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but that's what we're going to do for the injury stuff.
18:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep an eye on what's going on because if all of a sudden, if a bunch of those guys for the Browns pop up is full or even limited on Friday, it's, it's a very different story.
18:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but as things sit right now, there's, there's going to be a lot of weight on the shoulders of Shudor Sanders, white blur and Quintan Jenkins as those are like, the made guys who are currently healthy for the, for the, for the Browns and that offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and then obviously you could throw a, one way of liking on his name right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are other rookie title, a hero fan in Jesus, who a hero fan actually what I loved in the draft coming out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would also potentially have a big day in the joke you can't go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we're going to take a quick break and then we'll be back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first category, some of the more specific parts of this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to like that though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, is our knee-jerk reaction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just a hot take going into this next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I agree that there are reasons to have optimism, but I need to see progress from Caleb and the accuracy department.
20:35
[SPEAKER_01]: There have been games with bad drops, games in the elements, games with throwways, after some amazing escape ability,
20:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But even with some of those throwaways, they're coming off of a mystery, bad timing, things of that nature.
20:51
[SPEAKER_01]: All that stuff is true, right?
20:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They have also been plenty of, why was that so off?
21:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, was it tips kind of passes?
21:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't you get to the day ground on the backside?
21:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And just passes for you to, I don't understand how that pass, what happened with that pass.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And then a lot of that's been having good kill too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for example, first drive on the quickouts of burden in that packer's game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally, like I think quickouts are,
21:21
[SPEAKER_01]: silly, they're way too complicated for us for now a lot of umph, but you know that throw me some more accurate or go to DJ on the stop route because DJ was open there too.
21:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Checked out some of the Nungai in that game, down at his feet.
21:36
[SPEAKER_01]: There's multiple examples, not just last week but throughout this season.
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Predictions, Daphne's killed is second worst in completion percentage, only hit up JJ McCarthy.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He's eighth highest expected completion percentage.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: The offense is
21:52
[SPEAKER_01]: and last in the Pleasian percentage above expectation at negative 8.
21:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So the offense is working.
21:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Your severs are open.
21:59
[SPEAKER_01]: There's open throws be made, but he's throwing 8% less than what you would expect him to in terms of completion percentage, which that is a problem.
22:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Williams also has the worst off target throw rate in the league at a 15.3% so that's objective, of course.
22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But with that set, 15% of his throws are off target.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not me saying you can't get better.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still over-processing right now.
22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and not in like a mental issue way, but I mean, this is a complicated offense.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a new offense, right?
22:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot going on.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of the pre-step motions, the landmarks, all this stuff, you know, all that's valid.
22:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're still the mental side that's going to keep improving.
22:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And he has the innate athleticism to improve.
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you saw that with the Josh Allen's of the world, the Lamar Jackson's, where where they came out, there was some accuracy issues.
22:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But over the years, I think just because of how athletic and the muscular capacity that these players had, that accuracy improved.
23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially, what am I saying is we would be in denial if we didn't admit that it needs to be better if the bearish are going to be real contenders week to week, year to year, right?
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think that's important in highlight.
23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if the 10 degree feels like 15 is gonna be where the offense takes off, but we'll see in terms of the passing game.
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: To be a perfectly honest, something brutally honest, you should worry about this Brown Sea offense.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you start with Miles Garrett, he's only two and a half weeks away from tying the sack record of 22.5 held by Mike Trayhand, but there are other really good players in the C-Fence and their D-C, Jim Schwartz, is an excellent defensive mind.
23:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to watch out for guys like Alex Wright at Edge, Shelby Harris in Mason, Graham in the Interior, they both are on the injury reports.
23:50
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens there, Tyson Campbell saw at a corner, Grant Delpit.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting healthier, he was up.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: He was on the injury report, but is trending in the right direction at safety.
23:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this ain't even talking about their linebackers.
24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Dev and Blush has been excellent this year, and I already talked about Carson's question, Gerer.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I expect him to play.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been a menace.
24:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I was concerned.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked him coming out in the draft.
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little concerned that he might have issues in the coverage, but that hasn't been the case.
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, heard Kevin Fishman, the Browns have eight players with six plus
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: The bear is when we have one player with more than four tackles for loss, Montes wet is 12.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So this team flies around the tackle incredibly well in the game tackle.
24:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The Browns defense ranks third in the NFL and defense at EPA in 2025 with an EPA per play allowed of negative point 1-1-2-5.
24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: The Browns also have the number one right rushing defense the NFL in terms of success rate allowed in 2025.
24:52
[SPEAKER_01]: The defense stops 68.68% of opponents rushing attempts successfully.
24:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Their defense ranks 12th in passing success rate.
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And so really what you're looking at is they're strong with the Bird's offense is strong in terms of the run game.
25:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're kind of average with the Bird's offense is.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: average in terms of the past game, it's really going to be the unstoppable force and movable object when it comes to the run game, and then in theory a place where you might want to take advantage of them, which is in the past game, the bears have had their struggles.
25:23
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't news, they crush it in terms of explosive plays, but it's the consistency that down to down passing that's been an issue.
25:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So especially again, in a game where it's going to be cold as heck, where catching the
25:39
[SPEAKER_01]: is that something do the bears stick with the ground game, which they had to do last week, they really had to get the ground game going again to get back in the game with the packers.
25:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to be able to do that against this particular Brown Z-Fence, which is very good.
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll aim this humorous, something just a little corkier funny.
26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams is the bottom of the league in a aggressive throw percent with 10.7 percent so I find this little funny because you can take this two ways and just depending on what narrative you're trying to spend is depends on which way you're going to go so you can go.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: One way and say Ben Johnson schemes up and emphasizes open throws.
26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He said this, you go back to when he said we don't do 50, 50 balls.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could say the offense works, right?
26:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Ben Johnson with his scheme and some of the players with their ability create open passes.
26:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So Kale doesn't have to throw into tight windows.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we also know that there are issues with the completion percentage.
26:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I just did a whole thing on that.
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could also go the route of saying Kale could be more aggressive at times when the windows are tighter.
26:44
[SPEAKER_01]: A positive example that would be the only days that he is touched on.
26:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was a tight, super tight window, you know, but he put it where he needed to be.
26:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a couple of times on film where you can see that Caleb, you know, doesn't necessarily rip the ball to the smaller window.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to, you know, goes through the progressions a second third and all of a sudden he's scrambling or he's throwing the ball away.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think there's probably a...
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: a middle ground, you'd like to live in where, yes, you have those beautifully scheme-doping throws that do exist in this offense, but sometimes you've got to rip it, right?
27:14
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, this is where I'm going to go back to some of those comments.
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Specifically,
28:40
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, just browsing 8482 had a couple of comments questions.
28:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to go through those two that he had.
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: If the bear's focus properly for this, I'm going to put this in the screen one.
28:51
[SPEAKER_01]: If the bear's focus properly for this game, it gets the browns that all good.
28:55
[SPEAKER_01]: The browns are the one team I've been worried about all season.
28:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Packers are irrelevant here.
29:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
29:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go on to the second comment.
29:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think will win bears or browns?
29:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Give that in recent year, Browns have been better in these games.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think to, I'll go to your second part first, the NFL is a year to year league, right?
29:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, it's a week to week league.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: You really think about it, but even more so.
29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, think about where the Vikings were last year and where they are this year.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I think about where the commanders were last year and where they are this year, I think about but the Eagles were last year and where they are this year.
29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about where the chiefs were last year and where they are this year.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, and I think that's always pops up too, actually, to go back to the Packers part of it.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever you have some of the beat writers and they're asking Luther Bird and what do you think about, you know, the Bear's Packers rivalry?
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the dude just got here.
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: He was at Missouri before that, and I don't know where he, what's a grew up and went to high school.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He has no thoughts on the Bear's Packers rivalry.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't have, you know, this thing in the back of his head of man, the bearers, you know, what the bear's record has been in the last five, 10 years and the overall arching thought process there.
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So I connected that to the Browns.
30:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so given recent years, the Browns may have been better in these games.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams has no thought process on Justin Williams.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Williams, just in fields, just getting absolutely destroyed a couple of years ago in that game when he got his first official start.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Colson Lovelin has no ties to that.
30:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Toney, who's a vested veteran.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he comes from the Patriots and then the Chiefs.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows winning.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like to look at, it's just interesting, in general, sometimes to be like, what have the matchups been between two certain teams, but that's not really how the players operate, that's on how the coaches operate.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So even if the Browns have been better in these recent games, you know, last couple of years, that's so relevant.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even more so, should do our standards is starting for the Browns, right?
31:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's relevant.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And then to go back, you know,
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He's worried about the Browns game all season.
31:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been, I mean, I can go back to the schedule.
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But if first came out, I marched the Browns as a win.
31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's again, because, yes, their defense is fantastic.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I read of all the stats.
31:28
[SPEAKER_01]: That part is, you should be concerned about.
31:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't, and yes, and the bear's defense has been average two below average, depending on not just the game of the quarter.
31:41
[SPEAKER_01]: with how this Brown's offense is constructed.
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, with an element about to talk about this a little bit later of his specifics, but with, he played well last week.
31:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave him credit and I said this, I said this in the drafts process.
31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I said this all year.
31:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Shoulder Sanders should not have been drafted where he was.
32:02
[SPEAKER_01]: That was to his tool late.
32:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the whole talk coming at first topic is too much.
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the league shows you that, but where he ended up was too late.
32:11
[SPEAKER_01]: That was ridiculous.
32:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He should have been starting over a deal in Garyville when they opted to trade Joe Flacco.
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But all that being said, he's still a rookie and he's still below average.
32:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He just, he is.
32:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a great week last week, but one week I'm not flipping up about.
32:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Quint John Jenkins is a very good running back,
32:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember the exact stat.
32:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't able to find it again, but the brown for running backs are getting contacted way too far into the backfield.
32:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's going to mute their run game.
32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a dude at receiver.
32:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They're down a couple of guys, Jerry duties okay.
32:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So just with all that being said, it's
32:56
[SPEAKER_01]: defense is fantastic.
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: The offense is very okay to not if any or below average.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm going to get to my official pick later, but I think you can almost feel like see where I'm heading with this.
33:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But to talk more about contour, my sort of our love and hate it, rehabilitated.
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Something I love about the match of something I hate and something I would rehabilitate.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Love.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I love playing Shador.
33:20
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't meant to shade either.
33:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Shador is a solid rookie quarterback and should have had the nod before doing Gabriel.
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty accurate with an okay or talent, but he plays well on time, right?
33:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So actually that works well for the Kevin Stephansky system playing on time.
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: He gives his Ryder Severs chances down field.
33:36
[SPEAKER_01]: You saw that last week and that's why he was able to produce like he did last week.
33:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But he is a rookie and has some major limitations.
33:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he plays a guy that is more athletic than he is, which gets him in trouble, right?
33:47
[SPEAKER_01]: There was one play where he was kind of like shifting around the pocket and like ran, he ran five yards forwarded and like darted the ball.
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just really weird.
33:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he realized the window to get away was not, even when it was a Colorado, he's learning that week by week that he just isn't that athletic of a guy.
34:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he needs to speed up his processing and how he's seeing the game.
34:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He does play well on time, but when that picture is changing, you know, he's a little slow out of it.
34:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Shidorah Sanders against the blitz this year.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's 9 for 23 for 165 yards.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a just a complete percentage.
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: His dead last at 44.4% is PFF passing grade is 3rd to last at 40.1.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: His turnover worthy play percent is 11.1.
34:30
[SPEAKER_01]: 11% of the time, he, it has a turnover worthy play.
34:34
[SPEAKER_01]: That is insanely high.
34:36
[SPEAKER_01]: his EPA for drop-back is negative 0.25, which is 30th and the league.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He's pressured on 84.6% of his drop-backs versus blitz, part of that's the offensive line issue.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a pretty obvious game plan here, right?
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to pressure the dude and, you know, it's kind of the, the problem is the bears have not been able to create great pressure, but
34:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly there are some quarterback so like Jordan loves a good example last week.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very good at replacing the blitz with the ball So if the blitz comes off from a cornback on the right side, he's very good at all right I got to put the ball right behind that player right because that's where the bow hole is gonna be Shoulder is not at that level.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He just isn't Blitz comes he doesn't he he doesn't do well with it so
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: This is an opportunity, right, to play an offense and a quarterback specifically that even though the bears can't create a lot of pressure, passionately, to do so.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Hate.
35:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the obvious one.
35:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take the low-hanging fruit.
35:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate the match of a mile's carrot and obviously, you know, especially when you combine that with a sack record narrative, you're going to really have to get creative with assisting Aussie, but you really need to maximize the effectiveness.
35:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So the last week, for example, when the bears are trying to contain micoparsons, first of all, they didn't always go specifically with Micah.
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They would do something where like, you would have a cold comment on the right, look at a chip.
35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's chipping the wrong dude.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Micah's lined up over the left guard.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there needs to be a check in there where Micah's identified, hey, he's over the middle.
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna shift cold comment into the backfield.
36:15
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what you're doing with Miles Garrett.
36:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He's lying up at the edge.
36:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just going to attack you.
36:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So some of your chips and stuff should be more relevant.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But you'll have to make it a decision.
36:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's another problem that comes up a little bit with his offenses.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Is your chip guy an outlet or is he truly helping pass protection because sometimes it's both and that can't happen right because if you're chipping on Mao's Garrett, but pressure comes in from the right killed needs somewhere to go with the ball so that flat route off from coal command for example is not going to be there fast enough.
36:56
[SPEAKER_01]: went to go a ship and he just missed and because he was so worried about going out in this route.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, that goes back to my point of whether your emphasis is at the ship or is the route.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's another example, Cole actually chipped Parsons last week, but because Parsons was stoning inside, Cole actually knocks the Parsons off of odds
37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: you just have to be conscientious with your decisions and every choice you make matters.
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't like Swift as a past walker.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's a bad combination of slow to get out as the check down, but also it doesn't really stand as thick as nose and as for past rush.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Hill throw his body at the russia versus more of like a legit block attempt.
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And that can just make it that can make it tough.
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you mix all that together, I am concerned about what miles Garrett can do, right?
37:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Rebuild tape, I'm just going to continue this.
37:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You see the trends, bears past rush.
37:53
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a specific for this matchup.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: There is not much the bears can do this season to improve their past rush outside of manufactured pressure and of past rush or to going on a heater which I doubt happens.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You saw this last week against the packers, there was actually one play I can think of on my head, cover zero, right?
38:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jordan loves it in a immaculate pocket.
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not the look you want with cover zero covers zero you're trying to get immediate pressure and even when the bears bring extra or if it's a simulator pressure, I don't it doesn't really matter they're really not creating the pressure that you're looking for.
38:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but for this game for this game, you may see a bump in past rush production and I say that.
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: The QB has only been kept clean on 59% of their drop backs.
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Their left tackle, Cam Robertson has allowed 5 sacks, 11 parries, and 12 pressureers.
38:51
[SPEAKER_01]: 5 of those pressureers are last week.
38:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Their right tackle, J.T.
38:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Lovesson, has only allowed 2 sacks, but has allowed 8 herries and 17 pressureers.
38:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He has great out better as the years gone on, but still not great.
39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you also factor in, you know, again, they're starting centers going to be out.
39:07
[SPEAKER_01]: that was Jenkins going to be playing.
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: He's popped up and all these other things like so if the bears can't create a pass rush against this team.
39:15
[SPEAKER_01]: They never will.
39:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Expected for the Browns.
39:20
[SPEAKER_01]: really a stifle the run game and force the bears passing game to take a step in evolution.
39:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So this isn't me saying that let's even if the brown was do this if they's really stifle the run and make it hard for the bears.
39:32
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a chance for that the bear's passing game does take that step.
39:37
[SPEAKER_01]: This might be the week that Caleb's accuracy is more on point.
39:40
[SPEAKER_01]: That
39:40
[SPEAKER_01]: D. J. Moore is more involved not just the ridiculous, you know, end-around that Luther burden has less mental mistakes or what do insane feels pain-free and healthy enough, right?
39:51
[SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, just all these, these things stack, this could be the week.
39:55
[SPEAKER_01]: But if the bear, Browns have a chance, it has to start by stopping to run.
40:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Part of that,
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Brown's actually defense according to Jim Schwartz said this on bears running back common on guy.
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I tell you what, I have a lot of respects for this kid, as he is a hard, hard runner.
40:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Schwartz continued Caleb, he looks like Frank Tarkinson out there sometimes, he's got eyes in the back of his head.
40:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So specifically the Rung game clearly, Jim Schwartz respects the Rung game and knows also that this is a plan of emphasis.
40:31
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the 2025 running backs for design rushes only, this is with a minimal of 75 carries.
40:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Kalmanungai actually ranks six in terms of rushing EPA.
40:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And DeAndree Swift is not far behind with at eight.
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So that I would assume in the defensive room is circled on the board, stop the run, and force the bears to beat you through there.
40:57
[SPEAKER_01]: The question ends up becoming for the bears is can they do so?
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[SPEAKER_01]: X-factor for the bears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One is don't get caught looking ahead.
41:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot look past this Browns team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Browns game is the most important game currently on your schedule right now, because if you don't get that win there, now all of a sudden, again, getting to 11 wins, which is that is the number for the NFC gets that much harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't get caught looking ahead beat the Browns who is still again, they are still ever there are three wind team, but there are three wind team that now has a different quarterback starting that played well last week, I did already say that and they have a fantastic defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you cannot look past them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A little bonus one, start hot earlier.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb had his second worst first half of the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last week against the Packers Virtue Media with an EPA for a drop by a negative 0.36.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He completed only 42.9% of his passives for a season low of 2.3 years for attempt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His second half, though, even with the interception, so which normally will knock you down a good bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: registered a 0.28 EPA for drawback and a pass rating of 96.1, the average 7.3 yards for attempts and had 10 passing first downs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The third most against the packers this year, after half time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More of that, please.
42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's there, the potential is there, Ben Johnson is fantastic at adjusting, we've seen this all year, they come out of half time and they look like a different team that has to happen sooner.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to have that happen in the first and second quarter.
42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: If you, if that, those stats, if that point to a EPA per drop back, right, the past ring of 90 to point one was spread out over the whole game, that packers game would have been totally different.
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So use this Browns game springboard start earlier because they're going to be coming after you.
42:48
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, last category that we're going to do today, bear gut check.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I use my gut feelings, revitalize my computer, of course, to give our game predictions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: against the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Browns at bears bears by seven and a half.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears are winning this, or they should win this at least.
43:05
[SPEAKER_01]: As this, I said this already, this is a must, it's a must win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's not a must win in the idea of where, where if you lose this, you're out of contention or something of that nature, but just with what you have left on your schedule with a Packers game after, you know, coming up, a 49ers game where you're playing
43:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, at the 49ers, so the weather's not going to be a factor, so you're going to have the fast track, you're, you know, the 49ers who are better in the warm weather, they're going to have to have that at their disposal and then you finish up with lions all of that like that those are those are tough games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: get this under your belt and they really should, right?
43:41
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the day, you should be finishing this game saying Caleb Williams who is a second-year quarterback who is a number one overall, picked their year prior, who has been Johnson, you know, helping along the way, significantly outplayed Chador Sanders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the bears were able to pressure Sanders in a way where he was not able to offer the officers offensive efficiently, that the Browns had to rely on their run game and that because of the offensive line issues, they couldn't get their run game going because the injuries on the offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That should be the narrative after the game on Sunday.
44:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Tonight's game, Falcons at Books, Books were favored by four and a half, the Falcons are a mess.
44:19
[SPEAKER_01]: They're falling apart, you know, between the quarterback injury, their main receiver is out, they just haven't been able to get anything together.
44:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Their past rush is better, but you can't even play like your main, when you're main draft picks appears, you treat up for on first down because he's just not useful against the run.
44:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And the bucks are a team that, I mean, they are in still trying to make the playoffs.
44:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They get my Kevin's back and really help he goes off for all my fantasy league purposes.
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: The book should win this.
44:48
[SPEAKER_01]: They really should have made sure win it comfortably.
44:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It should be, they should win by a score.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm sorry, I'll touch down.
44:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll take the box there.
44:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Packers at Broncos.
44:57
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the second most important game of the week for the Bayers, obviously the Broncos would be the most important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the Packers are fair by two and a half, if the Broncos can win this, that helps the Bayers out a lot in terms of their quest for not the division, but also trying to get potentially at you in the two seed, because last week, after they lost, they dropped from the one seed to the seven seed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, so this really comes down to you just for me it's it's the defense of the Broncos versus the Packers offense more than anything I think the Broncos offense is kind of is what it is I don't that the bow next is fine.
45:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That offense is fine.
45:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just more about can the Broncos really stifle the pack or so look think back to Packers equals kind of what that looks like right the Packers offense or sorry equals offense was like man But the equals defense was able to play in a way that they kept it a very low scoring game So that's the kind of game that you're going to have to play here.
45:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll still take the packers to win this But obviously hoping for the Broncos to win
45:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Lions at Rams, the Rams actually have a chance to clinch the one seed with the win here.
46:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And as I mentioned earlier, the bears need the Lions to not reach 11 wins.
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So with the motivation, the Rams are favored by five and a half.
46:08
[SPEAKER_01]: With that motivation, right, and the home field advantage, if the Rams, I think they win this.
46:15
[SPEAKER_01]: The cover is tougher.
46:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be a close game, the Lions obviously coming out of a route of the Cowboys.
46:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Rams win with the Lions cover.
46:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Titans, last game we're gonna do here, Titans at 49ers, the 49ers are favored by 12 and a half.
46:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I only put this on here because of two reasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One, the 49ers game right is two weeks away.
46:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So just something to keep an eye on and how the 49ers are playing is a Brock Perti, a little bounce back from a little bit of some rough patches that's been going on since it came back from his injury.
46:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So just what does that team look like?
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: The 49ers, he fence is not what everyone thought would be, especially their past rush, it's a bunch of guys
46:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't have expected to necessarily be playing meaningful snaps for you, but they are because of injuries.
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing too is they sit at nine and four and are the six feet.
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a team that the bears might be fighting for a spot.
47:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't think the Titans is a game where you necessarily are going to have that happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 12 and a half to a lot of points.
47:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I just...
47:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't bet on this if I'm being honest, but I'd probably take the Titans to cover just 12 and a half such a crazy line.
47:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're going pie in the sky, you're hoping that the games that I put out here, you're hoping that the bears win, you're hoping that the Broncos win, you're hoping that the Rams win and you're hoping that the Titans win.
47:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, which of those actually occur?
47:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Most important one, as we talked about all through this show, is the bear's running.
47:43
[SPEAKER_01]: They still have control of their own destiny, right?
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no crazy thing where, well, if the bear's when these two and the packers lose this three or then the lines lose this one and the spraying of other technology, no, none of that matters right now.
47:56
[SPEAKER_01]: The bear's have a control of their own destiny.
47:58
[SPEAKER_01]: go out there, be the team that you absolutely should be, be them comfortably, and see, hey, can we get this past game going?
48:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're going to need that past game in the next couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all that we have for tonight's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for popping on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The all those were watching live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are listening to the podcast, thank you for doing so on your commute to work on Friday, I assume.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep an eye out for some of the other sick and city grandire and content.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for example, Taylor Dahl, her preview, she'll be coming out tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check that out, or today, you're listening to this Friday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She always does a fantastic job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like I mentioned, there should be, actually love a special surprise guest for next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that should be fun.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And then for the Christmas week, keep an eye out for that.
48:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try to get some content out there just so there is a preview for that week's game.
48:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But it'll be interesting, right?
48:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because you got the the Packers game is on a Saturday night, the 49ers game is a night game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got some interesting ones coming up here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's all we got fair down everybody.