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Trump's Spank America Tour · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, with a little over one week until
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  Speaker 1: Election Day, both candidates are trying to close the deal.
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  Speaker 1: the remaining undecided voters. Kamala Harris has the Obamas, Beyonce,
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  Speaker 1: and a big speech in D.C. at the scene of
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  Speaker 1: the January 6th attack. While Donald Trump has Elon Musk,
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  Speaker 1: an interview with Joe Rogan, and Tucker Carlson calling him
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  Speaker 1: a daddy who's ready to spank America. Wild stuff. Not
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  Speaker 1: making it up. Not a joke, folks. And later, Texas
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  Speaker 1: Congressman Colin Allred stops by to talk about Kamala's last-minute
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  Speaker 1: visit to his home state. and the latest in his
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  Speaker 1: critical race to unseat Ted Cruz. But first, not one
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  Speaker 1: but two four-star generals who worked for Donald Trump have
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  Speaker 1: now called him a fascist who praised Hitler. And so
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  Speaker 1: the big debate is, will it hurt Kamala Harris?
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  Speaker 2: God, I hate everything.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kidding, kind of.
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  Speaker 2: You're not. You're not really kidding.
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  Speaker 1: But the vice president was asked about John Kelly's comments
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  Speaker 1: during a CNN town hall with undecided Pennsylvania voters on
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday night. in a possible preview of the closing argument
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  Speaker 1: speech she'll give next Tuesday. Here's what she said. You've
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  Speaker 1: quoted General Milley calling Donald Trump a fascist. You yourself
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  Speaker 1: have not used that word to describe him. Let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you tonight, do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 4: And I also believe that the people who know him
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  Speaker 4: best on this subject should be trusted. And he's going
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  Speaker 4: to sit there untouched. stable, unhinged, plotting his revenge, plotting
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  Speaker 4: his retribution, creating an enemies list. I'm going to tell you,
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  Speaker 4: my list will be a list of how I address
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  Speaker 4: and continue to address the issues that you all are
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  Speaker 4: raising this afternoon and evening. It will be a to-do
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  Speaker 4: list about how we can impact the American people.
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  Speaker 1: All right, she used the F word, Dan. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see too many pearls clutched over this. But what did
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  Speaker 1: you think of that answer on John Kelly?
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  Speaker 2: I think if the retired four-star general responsible for implementing
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's draconian immigration policies then became his chief of
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  Speaker 2: staff thinks he's a fascist, who is Kamala Harris to
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  Speaker 2: disagree with that? I mean, she had to say yes
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  Speaker 2: to it. It is sort of like a dumb DC trap. Like,
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  Speaker 2: are you going to use the word? Are you going
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  Speaker 2: to use the word? I know you've described him in
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  Speaker 2: the following ways, but are you going to use the
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  Speaker 2: actual word? You can use the word and his name
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  Speaker 2: in the same sentence. Are you going to do it?
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to do it? So it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a dumb conversation. We can talk about the political discourse
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  Speaker 2: around whether it hurts her or anything else. But what
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  Speaker 2: I do like is the construction that came after that
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  Speaker 2: about an enemies list and a to-do list. Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 2: going to be seeking vengeance to satisfy his own needs,
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  Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris is going to be out there doing
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  Speaker 2: things for you. That's the right framework, because you have
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  Speaker 2: to make it matter to people's lives. Because the idea
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  Speaker 2: whether he's a fascist is an esoteric concept to a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people. And so a lot of people probably
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  Speaker 2: don't even know what the word means or can't really
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  Speaker 2: define it.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, if you asked a sample
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  Speaker 1: of people in this country to define fascism, I think
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  Speaker 1: you'd be bewildered by what you find.
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  Speaker 2: They do know Hitler, though.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe a little, maybe a bit disappointed. They do know Hitler.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're right. Like, there's three different answers you
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  Speaker 1: can give to that question. No, he's not a fascist,
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  Speaker 1: which obviously she's not going to say. She said yes.
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  Speaker 1: Or she could have done something like, let me tell
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  Speaker 1: you what I think he is and then defined him herself,
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  Speaker 1: but that's sort of like a squirrely answer. And then
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  Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper would have said, okay, so yes or no fascist.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then suddenly it's a whole thing. And if she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't say yes, then it's out of the headlines. And again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the Harris campaign probably thinks it's a good
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  Speaker 1: day for them when their opponent is in the headlines
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  Speaker 1: because four star generals who worked for him think he's
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  Speaker 1: a fascist and said that he praised Hitler. I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I'm new in politics, but I don't know. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's bad for you when people who used to
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  Speaker 1: work for you who were in the military say that
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  Speaker 1: you're a fascist who praised Hitler.
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  Speaker 2: We think.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is so stupid, Dan.
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  Speaker 2: The whole thing is so stupid. There is like a
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  Speaker 2: very serious thing here, which is put aside the use
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  Speaker 2: of whether Millie and Kelly and all the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the people use the term fascist. What they're telling us
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  Speaker 2: is that he is a dangerous man who has tried
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  Speaker 2: on multiple occasions to use military force against American citizens
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  Speaker 2: and believes that the people who work for him, including
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  Speaker 2: the members of the military, should be personally loyal to
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  Speaker 2: Trump over their loyalty to the Constitution of the nation.
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  Speaker 2: That is the thing here. Whether we use the word
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  Speaker 2: or not is an idiotic Washington, D.C.
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  Speaker 6: Debate.
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  Speaker 2: It just speaks to the ability of politics, political discourse
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  Speaker 2: in the media in this country to pull every important
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  Speaker 2: issue to its dumbest possible formulations. Okay, I feel a
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  Speaker 2: little bit better for saying that.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted the Department of Justice to investigate his political opponents.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted the IRS to audit his political opponents. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted to withhold federal aid to places in the country
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  Speaker 1: that needed it but didn't vote for him. He asked
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  Speaker 1: his defense secretary why the military couldn't shoot unarmed protesters,
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  Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protesters. He's asked multiple times why he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't use the military against protesters. He has been threatening
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  Speaker 1: to take away CBS's broadcast license because Kamala Harris did
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  Speaker 1: an interview with him that made him mad. Right as
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  Speaker 1: we're recording, he just once again said that the press
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  Speaker 1: are bad people, that they are the enemy of the people.
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  Speaker 1: And he doesn't like them. Whatever you want to call that,
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  Speaker 1: you can call it f * * * ing. You
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  Speaker 1: can call him a fascist. You can call him a strongman.
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  Speaker 1: You can call him a demagogue, a tyrant, whatever the
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  Speaker 1: fuck you want. You can call him an asshole if
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  Speaker 1: you want. But the guy wants to take away people's freedoms.
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  Speaker 1: He's already taken reproductive freedom away from the women of
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  Speaker 1: this country. He wants to come after freedom of the press,
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  Speaker 1: freedom to protest and criticize him, freedom to join a union,
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  Speaker 1: freedom to see a doctor when you're sick, go on
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  Speaker 1: and on and on. That's what he wants to do.
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  Speaker 1: So I think you're right. Talking about what Trump will do,
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  Speaker 1: the threat of a fascist like Trump, is probably going
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  Speaker 1: to be more important to voters than just a definition
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  Speaker 1: or a debate over the definition of the word fascist.
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  Speaker 1: Harris also answered questions about the economy, abortion, immigration, mistakes
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  Speaker 1: she's made in the past. Overall, it seems as though
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  Speaker 1: some of the undecided voters CNN spoke to afterwards approved.
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  Speaker 1: Let's listen.
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  Speaker 2: I think if I had to pick right now, I would,
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  Speaker 2: I would pick her.
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  Speaker 7: I think she is a better candidate. And you're a
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  Speaker 7: registered Republican. I'm an independent.
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  Speaker 3: You're an independent now.
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  Speaker 5: Who'd you vote for in 2020?
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  Speaker 7: I voted for Trump.
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  Speaker 1: I came out of this feeling, just kind of a
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  Speaker 1: feeling of adoration of her personally.
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  Speaker 2: I think personally, she is a good person.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that I connect with
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  Speaker 1: her as a woman.
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  Speaker 7: I believe it was you that asked the weakness question.
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  Speaker 7: You know, what is your biggest weakness? And she brought
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  Speaker 7: up that she has people around her that she can trust,
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  Speaker 7: that she can get the answer from. In my line
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  Speaker 7: of work in IT, I don't, expect everybody to know
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  Speaker 7: the answer. I expect them to know how to get
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  Speaker 7: the answer. And her specifically, that resonated with me.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know how you get the answer in IT?
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  Speaker 2: You call the IT guy.
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  Speaker 1: That's a subject where I definitely don't know the answer.
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  Speaker 1: So it always feels like there's a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: gap between pundit reaction and voter reaction. I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you the CNN panel did not have a similar reaction
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  Speaker 1: to those undecided voters in Pennsylvania who are actually going
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  Speaker 1: to decide the election. What do you make of the
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  Speaker 1: gap there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, over the long sweep of history, this is not
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  Speaker 2: the first time there's been a gap between how pundits
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  Speaker 2: have interpreted a candidate's performance and how voters have done it.
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  Speaker 2: But let's just say a couple of things here. One,
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  Speaker 2: typically in these sorts of things, pundits are looking at
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  Speaker 2: this from a very different perspective, right? They are judging
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  Speaker 2: it like a judge at a figure skating event at the.
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  Speaker 3: Olympics, right?
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  Speaker 1: What Plouffe would always say.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What are the figure skating judges?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the Russian judges, you would call it, because you
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  Speaker 2: can't get a fair– You can't get a fair score.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just like, she misses opportunities. Like there was
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  Speaker 2: this question about mistakes and she missed an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: separate herself from Biden. And it's like, just not how
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  Speaker 2: normal people think about this stuff. So that's one. Two is,
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  Speaker 2: and we've seen, in all of the research I've seen,
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  Speaker 2: all the message testing I've seen, there's like a very
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  Speaker 2: simple truth here, which is that when people see Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 2: they're more likely to vote for her. And you think
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  Speaker 2: about it, it's sort of mind-boggling listening to people that
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  Speaker 2: they were undecided before this moment, but the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they were, They probably actually had not seen very much
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  Speaker 2: of her. Maybe they saw TV commercials of her, but
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  Speaker 2: not her actually speaking. There she's up there. She's answering
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  Speaker 2: tough questions from reporters and citizens. She is doing her
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  Speaker 2: best to answer them earnestly and truthfully. And she is
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  Speaker 2: a serious person who seems to care about people, is
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  Speaker 2: in it for the right reasons, and knows something about policy.
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  Speaker 2: The other side, you've got this other fucking Yahoo yapping
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  Speaker 2: around about Arnold Palmer's putter and all this other shit
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  Speaker 2: that's happening. And so it's just like, if you're like,
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  Speaker 2: you can see why this is why she's doing these things,
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  Speaker 2: because when people see her, they like her. And that is,
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  Speaker 2: if you're looking for reasons to be optimistic down the
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  Speaker 2: stretch here, that is a reason to be optimistic because
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  Speaker 2: the more people see Kamala Harris, the more likely they
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  Speaker 2: are to vote for her because she is, she is
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  Speaker 2: better liked in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, a lot of these pundits, some
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  Speaker 1: of them are democratic strategists. Some of them are journalists.
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  Speaker 1: We've done this too. Like part of this is born
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  Speaker 1: out of a desire for Kamala Harris to win because
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  Speaker 1: she's A lot of these people know what a threat
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, Democratic strategists can be open about it.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the journalists, maybe not. But they all people.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these people want Kamala Harris to win.
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  Speaker 1: And they're so nervous as we are. because it's so
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  Speaker 1: fucking close. And so we're scrutinizing every performance and everything
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  Speaker 1: she says and want it to be perfect so badly
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  Speaker 1: because we want her to win, right? Because we're worried
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  Speaker 1: about how it's going to play with some voter if
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  Speaker 1: she says something wrong. And guess what? She's going to
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  Speaker 1: make mistakes and she's going to say things that are wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And also she's got the weight of the world on
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  Speaker 1: her shoulders right now. She has been the nominee for
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  Speaker 1: 90 days. This is her whole campaign. She was thrust
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  Speaker 1: into this. Is that what it is?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: 90 day campaign, basically.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 8: I know.
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  Speaker 1: And so like I, and look, you can see some
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  Speaker 1: of the, her answers were, I thought were like crisp, great, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them were, you know, when she doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to answer a question because she's worried about sort of
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  Speaker 1: like the political implications of saying X or Y. she
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  Speaker 1: sort of like devolves into a little bit of word salad.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's just what she does. And every politician has
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  Speaker 1: that kind of dodge. And by the way, almost every
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  Speaker 1: other presidential candidate has like a whole year to practice,
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  Speaker 1: practice giving bad answers to questions because they all do it.
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  Speaker 1: And you usually practice like off Broadway for a while
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  Speaker 1: before you are thrust into the spotlight. She did not
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  Speaker 1: have that opportunity and she has run a near flawless campaign.
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  Speaker 1: And so like, yeah, once in a while when she
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  Speaker 1: gets a question, that's like sort of politically tricky and,
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  Speaker 1: She does, you know, she's just going to say a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of words to avoid actually answering it. But you
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  Speaker 1: got to think, A, the other guy wants to shoot
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  Speaker 1: the protesters. And B, voters don't actually judge these candidates
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  Speaker 1: as harshly as the pundits do. And, like, I sort
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  Speaker 1: of learned this with the Vance-Walls debate. Like, Vance was
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  Speaker 1: very polished. Walls stumbled a few times. And then after
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  Speaker 1: the debate, voters were like, oh, J.D. Vance might have
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  Speaker 1: won the debate, but I like Tim Walls better. He's
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  Speaker 1: just a better guy. because they can see through the bullshit, right?
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  Speaker 1: And so I think sometimes we treat voters, even that
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  Speaker 1: we are frustrated with them for being undecided, but therefore
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  Speaker 1: we treat them as stupid, and they're not stupid. They
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  Speaker 1: kind of get it, and they get that sometimes people
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  Speaker 1: don't answer a question or something or whatever, but the
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  Speaker 1: overall impression of Kamala Harris that was left with these
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  Speaker 1: voters was a real favorable one.
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  Speaker 2: And that was true at the debate. That was true
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  Speaker 2: at the convention. That's every time I've seen a dial
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  Speaker 2: test about one of her appearances, whether it's the podcasts
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  Speaker 2: she's been doing at the interviews, is she leaves every
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  Speaker 2: interaction with The voters who see her, and it's hard
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  Speaker 2: to get people to see her, but with the voters
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  Speaker 2: who see her liking her more and being more open
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  Speaker 2: to vote for her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't mean she's going to win. But for
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  Speaker 1: the voters who are seeing her, they like her.
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  Speaker 2: That's the challenge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So as I mentioned earlier, the Harris campaign
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  Speaker 1: has announced that the vice president will be giving a
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  Speaker 1: closing argument speech on Tuesday evening on the Ellipse. That's
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  Speaker 1: part of the National Mall just beyond the White House
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  Speaker 1: South Fence where Donald Trump appeared at the Stop the
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  Speaker 1: Steal rally on January 6th. and of course, urged his
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  Speaker 1: followers to march to the Capitol. We all know what
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  Speaker 1: happened next. What is the strategy behind doing a speech
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  Speaker 1: like this in general? And then what do you think
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  Speaker 1: about this location?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you've written a bunch of these, so you
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  Speaker 2: probably have some really smart things to say about it.
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  Speaker 2: But the ultimate idea here is there's like a handful
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  Speaker 2: of events during a campaign where the press will cover
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  Speaker 2: you and give you pretty straight coverage, right? They'll just say,
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  Speaker 2: here's what our candidate had to say today. This is
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  Speaker 2: their message. And one of them is that whatever speech
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  Speaker 2: it is you label, It's basically your announcement speech, your
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  Speaker 2: convention speech, and your closing argument speech. We label it
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  Speaker 2: my closing argument speech. And what you're trying to do
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  Speaker 2: there is you're trying to set the terms of the
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  Speaker 2: debate for the last seven days of the race. You
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  Speaker 2: need to let the press know and your supporters know
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  Speaker 2: and everyone out there know what is your focus on,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think the major issues are, and here's
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  Speaker 2: your final message. And when you set up like a
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  Speaker 2: big signal of here's my final message, the next time
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  Speaker 2: they go cover your rally, they're going to cover the
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  Speaker 2: part you've said is my final message as opposed to
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  Speaker 2: all the other stuff. And so it works that way.
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  Speaker 2: And the choice of the location I think here is
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  Speaker 2: very smart. As far as I understand it, it's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be a speech about January 6th or democracy
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  Speaker 2: or fascism. It's going to be a broader argument that
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  Speaker 2: probably fits more with what we're seeing in her paid
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  Speaker 2: advertising than what you're seeing in some of the press
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  Speaker 2: interactions recently that gets in the economy and continues to
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  Speaker 2: define her and cutting costs and all of those things.
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  Speaker 2: But by doing it on this location, the site of
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's Day of Love is an opportunity to remind
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  Speaker 2: people of the danger of Donald Trump. It's a way
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  Speaker 2: to get attention from the press. And I think also
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  Speaker 2: in this, I'm sure this is not their main reason
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  Speaker 2: for doing it, but it's going to trigger the living
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  Speaker 2: shit out of him. Like, you know what he's going
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  Speaker 2: to do. He's going to say he had a bigger crowd.
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  Speaker 5: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Which is going to be very funny and not good
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  Speaker 2: for him.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to say it was a wonderful crowd and
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  Speaker 1: it was a peaceful day and I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: she's doing and all that kind of stuff. Look, I
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  Speaker 1: think the closing argument speech is an opportunity to take
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  Speaker 1: your announcement speech, take your convention speech and slim it
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  Speaker 1: down to one tight argument.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that speech in your final week, right, where you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have, you know, presumably be in front of
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  Speaker 1: really big rallies is like a pump up speech for everyone, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like it is a signal to the press, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: that the press is going to cover it. But it's
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  Speaker 1: also like you are literally making your final argument to
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  Speaker 1: voters who are tuning in, some of them, some of
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  Speaker 1: them for the first time in the last week to
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  Speaker 1: see both candidates. So it is a distillation of your
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  Speaker 1: message in the tightest way possible. You know, there's been
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  Speaker 1: this debate. among Democratic strategists, pundits about the wisdom of
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: closing on Trump's threat versus Kamala's vision. And you and
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: I have talked about this on the pod, off the pod.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Every day. Every single day.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: I have struggled with this in my head. I think
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: it's a tough debate. Persuadable voters keep saying they want
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: to know more about Kamala and what kind of president
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: she'll be.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: I get that.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I've been in focus groups for several years where they
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: say they want to know more about the candidates. They
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: want to know more about the economy. What are you
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: going to do for me? Kitchen table issues. You hear
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: it from voters everywhere, especially swing voters, especially persuadable voters
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: in the swing states. But the Harris campaign, Plouffe said
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: this to Puck the other day, their research shows that
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: they need to elevate the risk of a second Trump
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: term in the minds of voters and that that is
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: an important piece of business to get done as well
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: as making sure people know who Kamala is, what she
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: stands for, what she'll do as president. What do you
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: think about this whole debate?
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of a false debate.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: You have to do both, and the Harris campaign is
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: doing both. I took the opportunity this afternoon while we
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: were waiting for Donald Trump to have a rally to
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: go and look at all the ads that the Harris
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: campaign has on the air. Do you know what they are?
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: They do both things.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Contrast ads, yeah.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Well, they're contrast ads, but there's a lot of economy
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: in there. There's a bunch of ads, and if you're
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: been watching sports the last couple of weeks, you'll see
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: a bunch of ads of her to camera, laying out
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: her vision and her story, and then tying it to
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: her economic policies. I think only one totally negative ad
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: about Trump up, and it's about Project 2025, and the
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: rest are, here's who I am, here's what I'm going
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: to do, here's what this guy's going to do. And
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: so you have to do both. And I do think
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: it's important to understand the media environment in which he's
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: operating in. It would be great if the press and
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: the social media conversation could ever be about her plan
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: to cut costs.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I'm almost laughing about it.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Imagine her closing argument speech just like at a, outside
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: a factory in Pennsylvania.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: At a grocery store, right?
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: She'd give it fart in the wind.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Like it would not, they would say like, oh yeah,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: she's giving a speech, whatever. And she'd be like, they
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: said something about Donald Trump's going to cut taxes for
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: rich people and she's going to cut taxes for the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: middle class and then no one would fucking hear it.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And I bet it would test off the charts. It
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: would test off the charts.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: This is, this actually, this fact explains Almost everything you
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: need to know about politics and media today, which is
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the issues that are most persuasive to voters generate the
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: least engagement for political media because there's this giant divide
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: between the political junkies and partisans who consume political media
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and the rest of the world. So what drives traffic
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: and drives ratings, and it is a legitimate story. I'm
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: not criticizing it from a journalistic perspective, is Donald Trump's
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: chief of staff calling him a fascist. And then a
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: big debate about whether we use the word fascist and
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: who's a fascist and how we talk about that. What
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: gets swing voters interested is your plan to protect Social
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Security and Medicare, to protect the Affordable Care Act, to
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: cut taxes, to cut costs. And you just can't get
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: press coverage of that. And so her choice is talk
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: about the things the press will cover to try and
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: be on offense. Because if she's not on offense, Donald
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Trump's going to be on offense. Or just do a
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: bunch of things on the issues that poll best and
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: get no coverage for it and let Donald Trump dominate
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the conversation with migrants eating pets, bullshit stories about gangs
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: taking over the border or condominiums in Denver or whatever
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: else is going on there. So it's just, I think
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the conversation is missing the broader context of politics and
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: media right now.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes you just have to like put all
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the polls down and just like use fucking common sense.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And when your opponent's former administration officials are saying that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: he's a fascist, you know, you don't respond to that
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: by being like, you know what's fascist? These high prices.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: These corporations that are gouging consumers. That's what's fascist. Like,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing? It's so insane. And, like, again,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I am someone who, like, I was obsessed with the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: data and the polls and the focus groups. But, like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: at some point you got to. You just, you gotta
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: say what's real to people, what people are seeing in
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: their own lives, which is when it comes to choosing
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, who is
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: promising to do all these things. Mike Podhorzer, who has
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: been on the wilderness a lot, he's a democratic strategist,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: is very steeped in the research and focus groups and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: all that. He made a really good point in one
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: of his newsletters, which is everyone always says, well, the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: reason you don't talk about Trump is because everyone's already
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: made up their mind about Trump. People know everything there
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: is to know about Donald Trump. And he argues that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: may be true about Trump the person and Trump's character.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: He goes, but what people don't know is the sort
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of threat level. Their consciousness about the threat that Trump
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: poses sort of changes from time to time because not
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: everyone's paying attention to everything. he says because he says
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: so much bullshit all the time. There's chaos and drama
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: around him all the time. And so what you need
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to do is sort of elevate the risk of a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Trump second term with new information about Donald Trump and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: what he's going to do. That doesn't mean you just
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: yell about Trump, orange man bad, right? Like that's... We
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: get it. People have made up their mind about Donald
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Trump the person, but what Donald Trump might do is
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: still very much up for grabs. And he also makes
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the point, when you look back at the last couple elections,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: if only the people who voted in 2016 voted in 2020,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: some of them switched from Trump to Biden, but Biden
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: would still lose the Electoral College if that was the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: only electorate you had. Biden wins in 2020 because of
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: irregular voters... you know, low propensity, sporadic voters, whatever you
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: want to call them, who sat out 2016 and then
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: came back into the electorate in 2020. And those voters
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: were far more likely to say that the reason they
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: came out in 2020 was to stop Trump, not to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: support Biden, right? And so there are these, he calls
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: these like an anti-MAGA coalition. There are these voters who
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: don't tend to vote in every election, but they have
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: come out in 18 and 20 and 22 to vote
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. Some of them might be independent. Some
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of them might be Republicans. Some of them might be
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: just Democrats who don't vote all the time. And those
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: people right now are like, a lot of them are
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: maybe Harris voters, right? She hasn't locked in that whole
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: coalition yet. But what they'll need is a reminder that
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the threat of a Trump second term is very real
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and very dangerous. And I think that's what the campaign
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: is doing, even as they're also having a bunch of
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: ads and having her say like what, who she is
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and what she's for, right? Like they have to define
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: her too, but you got to walk and chew gum
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: at the same time.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: You got to do both.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: The only campaign in recent history that only does one
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: thing is the 2024 Trump campaign, which only runs negative
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: ads about Kamala Harris. Almost every other campaign, like we've,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: we just have such short fucking memories in this country.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Every campaign has a positive message and a negative message
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: at the end. It's not, it's not bizarre. They're doing both.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: You don't have to pick between them. especially when you
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: have all the money they have, you can run all
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the ads you want, you can do the things you want.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, I get all the concerns about this,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the debate about it, you know, what she emphasizes in
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: her speech will be interesting. But you have to do both.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And look, the real challenge too, is coming up
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: with a story that kind of connects everything. Because when
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you go from the threat of a second Trump term,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and you're talking about him, like wanting to like shoot
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: protesters and uh, you know, shred the constitution. And then
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you're like, but he also wants to give a big
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: tax cut to rich people. Like it is, it's, it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: hard to fit it all into a story, but I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: do think to your earlier point, the, like, he's going
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to be sitting in the Oval Office, uh, focused on
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: his enemies list. And I'm going to be focused on
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a to-do list of things to get done for the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: American people. I think like that is the best contrast
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that sort of brings it all together. Another possible side
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: effect of focusing on how dangerous Trump is, is that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it's a from Brat Summer.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Ah, the days.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Not so long ago. I know, right? Do you think,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: is there a way, is there a need to revive
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that feeling in the final two weeks? Or is it,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: can you do both? What do you think?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: You can absolutely do both because you can paint a picture.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Because the flip side, another way of thinking about the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: message of joy is hope. And like, this is a
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: righteous cause that Kamala Harris, this campaign, and the entire
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: movement of people working to defeat Donald Trump are on.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: And it is to turn the page on a very
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: dark era personified by this very dark and dangerous person
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: and to paint a picture of what that looks like, right?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: What the new way forward looks like. Imagine what it
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: would be like if Kamala Harris is sitting in the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Oval Office, right? And Donald Trump has lost the election.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And then a few weeks after losing the election, has
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to show up in Manhattan for his criminal sentencing, right?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: So I think you can be hopeful.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: You can be hopeful.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And to me, that is an even easier turn to make, right?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Because after you talk about the, it's like, She can
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: say we don't have to live this way. Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Like we do not have to let politicians like Donald
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Trump divide us and make us afraid of each other
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: all the time and make us angry at each other
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: all the time just so he can take power for
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: himself and help himself and his rich friends. And like
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: we we can turn the page on all that in
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: one week. We can turn the page on all that.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: We can defend our freedoms. We can defend opportunity and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: equal treatment under the law. And we can get back
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to the business of working together and reaching out to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: actually do things for people to make their lives better,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: which is what he and MAGA politicians have prevented us
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: from doing for even when Joe Biden was president for
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the last four years. And so I think you can
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: definitely end on a note of hope there. And I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: don't think it's discordant at all. Speaking of joy, we
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: got Beyonce headlining a Harris rally in her hometown of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Houston tonight. We also had Bruce Springsteen and Tyler Perry
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: appearing with Harris and Barack Obama on Thursday night in Atlanta.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Usher did a Harris rally in Atlanta as well. James
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Taylor played a set at a Tim Walls rally in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: North Carolina. Leaving Obama aside, who's having the time of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: his life out there, just rapping lose yourself. What's the value,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: do you think, of these big celebrity events?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It's attention, right? It is impossible to get attention in
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: this totally fucked up media environment, particularly when you're running
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: against someone like Donald Trump, who is a reality star
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: attention monger. Plus, because of all the anticipation that Beyonce
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was going to make a surprise appearance at the convention,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: this is the one people have been waiting for. More
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: people pay attention. The clips will go more viral on TikTok.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: People will see it. You'll get a bigger crowd, which
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: matters a lot in these battleground states because you might,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: especially with these musicians, you might get people who wouldn't
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: otherwise come to a rally because they want to hear
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Beyonce play a song or hear Bruce Springsteen play a song.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And those are people who maybe aren't going to vote necessarily,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: but they might come or show up or at least be,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: you know, prophesized to. And so, yeah, it's not the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: end-all be-all. It's not that Beyonce's endorsement is going to
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: win the election for her, but appearing with Beyonce will
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: get Kamala Harris more attention. And then you just hope
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: In the 15 seconds you have of voters' attention, you
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: can deliver a message that will persuade them.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it's going to be an organizing
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: tool as well, right? Because if those extra people come,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: then you can get more volunteers. You can sign people up.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I will note that the Heiress Tour is back in
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the United States after it was overseas. And there is
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a gap in Taylor Swift's schedule between October 27th and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: November 1st when she's in Indianapolis. So next week, who knows?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It'd be nice if Taylor showed up at a Kamala
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Harris rally. I don't know anything. I'm just wishing that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: into existence. I'm manifesting that into existence.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: No one assumed you did.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Well, the way I said it, I was sort of like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: get ready, everyone. I don't want to be accused.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: You sounded like RFK talking about vaccines. I'm just online.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the schedule. I'm doing some research.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Our new healthy human services secretary, right?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: Maha.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: There's something for you. Yeah, there's something for you. Worry
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: about your kids' vaccines. RFK Jr. in charge. All right,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: so Harris has Beyonce and Trump has Tucker Carlson. The
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: man who nearly brought down Fox News over alleged sexism
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and harassment introduced Trump at a rally in Georgia on
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Wednesday where he reached for this metaphor to describe the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: relationship between Donald Trump and America.
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: There has to be a point at which dad comes home.
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: And he's pissed.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Dad is pissed.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: He's not vengeful.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: He loves his children.
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: Disobedient as they may be, he loves them.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Because they're his children.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: They live in his house.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: But he's very disappointed in their behavior.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: And he's going to have to let them know.
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: And when dad gets home, you know what he says?
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: You've been a bad girl.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You've been a bad little girl and you're getting a
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: vigorous spanking right now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: And no, it's not going to hurt.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Me more than it hurts you.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to lie.
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: It's going to hurt you a lot more than it
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: hurts me. And you earned this.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: You're getting a vigorous spanking.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Because you've been a bad girl.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I knew that happened. I don't think I'd heard the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: whole clip. I was not quite prepared for that vigorous
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: spanking that tucker carlson is very very excited about enthusiastic
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: about this he's thought about that one for a while
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: yeah call him daddy that's literally he's just he wants
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: america to call donald trump daddy what was that what
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: was that just to trigger libs Was that to just
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: play out his weird fantasy? What the fuck was that?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I think his brain is broken. I don't know what
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: else to say. I don't think there's a strategy. I
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: don't think there's a message. I don't think it's just
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to trigger libs. There are many ways to do that
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: that's less fucking weird than that was. Tim Walz needed
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: more evidence for his Republicans are weird message. Just there
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you go.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a closing argument. Trump, daddy's home. Now
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: we're all getting a spanking.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Daddy will spank.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: That was smart. Dan was like, I'm not going to
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: say it because they're going to clip me out of context.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I can't see Elijah, but I know he's in his head.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: All right. We just had to play that one. Trump
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: himself was in Arizona on Thursday. where his campaign said
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: he'd be previewing his closing message with voters. They described
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that closing message as Harris broke it. Trump will fix it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: His campaign sent out excerpts that say, my message today
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: is simple. Kamala's migrant invasion disqualifies her from the presidency
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and He started speaking right before we were recording. He
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: did say that. He looks like he's staying on prompter
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: more than usual, but we did get some of this.
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: A lot of people coming out of the Congo, not
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: just South America, they're coming from 181 countries as of yesterday.
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: We're a dumping ground. We're like a garbage can for
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: the world. That's what's happened. That's what's happened to us.
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: We're like a garbage can. You know, it's the first
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: time I've ever said that. And every time I come
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: up and talk about what they've done to a country,
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: I get angrier and angrier. First time I've ever said
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: garbage can, but you know what? It's a very accurate description.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Speaking of hope and joy, what do we think of
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump trying to have a closing argument and a
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: closing message, which is, Harris broke it, Trump will fix it.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: They say, we're offering people something to vote for, not
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: just vote against. That's what the campaign has been saying.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's probably a little bit of a stretch there.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not the basic framework is fine, I guess.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I just don't think that people believe that Kamala Harris
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: broke it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: That's just not, we've seen none of that in the
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: research that they hold her personally accountable for things they
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: don't like in American policy right now, whether it's inflation
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: or immigration. Now, they have had some traction making the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: case that she's not the best person to change it
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: because she's so closely associated with the Biden administration. But
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: this idea that she personally opened the doors to make
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: America a trash can is, that's.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Not- People don't.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you're right, with just a little, not
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: that they do subtlety or nuance well, but with just
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a little subtlety and nuance, you could make the argument like, well,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: You say that Biden did this. Well, you were right
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: there as vice president. Why didn't you tell him not to?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: They just skipped right over that. They were like, she
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: was president for the last four years and she did
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: all these things, which I think is just, I don't know.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: It's sort of a lazier version of it, but they
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: can't help themselves.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: You know, for my YouTube show, Political Experts React, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: watch all these Trump ads, right? And this has been true.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And I've been doing this show for four years now.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: And this is true of all the Trump, mostly Republican
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: ads now, just because everyone's been Trump-pilled. is just they
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: can't ever use a scalpel. It's always just a giant sledgehammer.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: So there's like a good, effective, worrisome message buried in there,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: but they're just like too broken-brained or want to be
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: testosterone-filled to actually do that. And so they just like
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: way overshoot the runway every single time. And this is
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: emblematic of that trend.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Well, and it does seem that their strategy in the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: home stretch over the last month has just been to
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: drive Kamala Harris's negatives up as much as they possibly can.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to just try to disqualify her so that Trump becomes
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the better choice on an issue like the economy or immigration. Yeah,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that's what they did with Hillary. Yeah, Mark Caputo at
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: The Bulwark had a piece today on how much the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Trump campaign has spent on these anti-trans ads.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: $ 26 million, I think.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the next, like $ 5 million was the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: next issue, and that was the economy. $ 5 million versus $ 26,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: $ 29 million on anti-trans ads. And, you know, I do
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: think Part of those ads, which is about her saying
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that inmates should be able to get transition surgery, even
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: if they're undocumented or whatever bullshit thing there is, is
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: they end that ad with, Trump is for you, Kamala
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: is for they, them. Kamala's not for you, she's for they, them, right?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Which I think is not, in the immediate instance, is
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: about trans issues, but more broadly, what they're trying to
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: do there is just say like, she's not for you,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: she's for someone else. Which is a message that Trump
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and Republicans have used about Democrats and Republicans have used
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: about Democrats for decades, right? Like they're always trying to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: tell you Democrats, they're not for you, they're for just
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the poor or they're for black Americans or Latino Americans
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: or immigrants or gay people or trans people, right? Like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and so your hardworking, you're a hardworking person and you
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: pay your taxes and you're trying to get ahead. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the Democrats just want to give all that to someone else.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And they have just been, and basically they told Mark Peter,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: their strategy is to just, just tear her down, make
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: people think that she's not for them and that she's
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: weak and that Trump will be the best alternative. And like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: who knows, you know, I guess if he, if he wins, well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: we'll see that it works. But, but that's clearly the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: strategy there.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, this question right here is the hinge point
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: of every American election is since the 80s with the
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: possible exception of 2004, which is– it's all a question
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: about who's fighting for who, right? And Republicans want to
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: make Democrats look like they're fighting for poor people, immigrants,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: people on welfare, the 47% in Mitt Romney's parlance. And
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Democrats want to show Republicans to be fighting for rich
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: people and corporations. And whoever wins that argument tends to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: win the election.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: So– After a lot of will-he-or-won't-he speculation, Trump's also sitting
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: down with Joe Rogan for an interview in Texas on Friday. Obviously,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Trump's been doing a tour of the Manosphere podcast, so
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: in some ways, obvious move. But Rogan's also criticized Trump
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: in the past. Any risks here?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is funny that Trump has finally made
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: himself to the final boss of the Manosphere podcast.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: You got to defeat Theo Vaughn and Andrew Schultz and
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the Nelk Boys, and then you can finally get to
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan. Yeah, I think there's tons of risk here.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, Rogan is the kind of interviewer where Trump
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: could get himself in a lot of trouble because he
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't ask– it's not that he asks hard questions. It's
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: really a very meandering conversation about what's going through Joe
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Rogan's mind at the time. It's a lot of runway
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: for Trump to run into something or make mistakes. I'll
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: be very interested to see how Rogan handles this because
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: he has been critical of Trump. He has pushed back
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: on the idea that he's supporting Trump. He's obviously not
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: a fan of Kamala Harris or Joe Biden. So I'll
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: be very interested to see. This is high risk, high
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: reward for Trump, no question.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: There was a report a couple of weeks ago that
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris might do Rogan. What do you think happened there?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: It's a great question. And there was a lot of
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: speculation when she was coming to Texas to do this
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: event on Friday, both the event with Beyonce and now
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: in the abortion speech, was that she would do Rogan
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: while you're there because Trump is going to Austin to
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: do this. I don't think Rogan... Rogan doesn't do road games.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: You come to his house to do it when you're
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the largest podcast in the world, you do that. We
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: would get on a fucking Greyhound bus to interview someone,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: but not.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: If you're Joe Rogan.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know whether he... Was unwilling
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to do it or they couldn't come to an agreement
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: on what it on timing or what it would look like.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe the campaign didn't want to spend, you know, it's
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: an to go to Austin specifically to spend hours and
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: hours doing this interview.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, for her, it's... Maybe she's going to surprise Trump.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: She's going to show up. That would be very.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Jim Hogan loves professional wrestling, and so her coming in, like,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: busting through the door like Macho Man Savage.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Let's do the debate right now. Debate me. Debate me, coward.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: She is in Texas at the same time. I mean,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: that would be... That would be an October surprise, people.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And also, it's like, this is the final week. Do
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the big rallies. Get everyone excited. Let's just, like, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: drive it home here.
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: When we come back from the break... Texas Congressman Colin
• 37:36
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• 37:39
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• 39:34
  Speaker 10: Joining us today is the man we all believe is
• 39:37
  Speaker 10: going to finally defeat Ted Cruz and become the next U.S.
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: Senator from Texas, Representative Colin Allred. Congressman, it's great to
• 39:44
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• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me on, Tommy. I appreciate you.
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: It's great to talk to you as always. So we're
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: just a couple of weeks out from the election. The
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: polls have you within single digits of Ted Cruz. It's
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: very close this year. How does a Democrat win in
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: Texas in a presidential year? Are you focused on sort
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: of base turnout at this point? Are you thinking about
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: getting voters to split their ticket and go, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: Trump all red?
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: How are you thinking about winning?
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, you know, it's just a different race than
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: the presidential ticket. And I think Texans see it that way.
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: And I'm a different candidate, obviously. And Ted Cruz is too.
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: You know, this is somebody who went to Cancun when
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: we needed him most, who is responsible for taking down
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: a border bill, who's responsible for the abortion ban that
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: we have here in Texas, and who has spent his
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: time for 12 years pitting Texans against each other. And so,
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: you know, as a fourth generation Texan, somebody who was
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: raised by a single mom in Dallas, was captain of
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: the football team at Baylor, trained for the draft in Houston.
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: His family's from Brownsville. I think I have a pretty
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: good take on who we are as Texans. And the
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: thing is, is that Ted Cruz is just too small
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: for our state. And his vision is too small. His
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: view for what we can be is too small. We're
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: a state of big ideas, of getting big things done.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: That's what I've done in my time in Congress. And
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: I know that obviously the presidential race is going at
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: the same time, but they are two very distinct decisions.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: And I think that's what we're going to see on
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: November 5th.
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: You recently had the joy of debating Ted Cruz.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I just watched it. You worked him over pretty hard.
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: Here's just a little taste of that debate for the listeners.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: We did a super cut.
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: But time and again, Senator Cruz treats our border communities
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: like he's going on some kind of a safari.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: He comes down, he puts on his.
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: Outdoor clothes, he tries to look tough, and he goes
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: back to Washington and does nothing to help. Because IVF
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: didn't need protecting until he got his way of going
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: after it. No one was thinking that we needed to
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: protect IVF. So to every Texas woman at home and
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: every Texas family watching this, understand that when Ted Cruz
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: says he's pro-life, he doesn't mean yours. You can't be
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: for the mob on January 6th and for the officers.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: You can't.
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: And it's not funny because you're a threat to democracy.
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: That was satisfying for me to listen to. Was it
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: satisfying for you on stage or did you secretly want
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: to line them up and do a little Oklahoma drill
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: for old times sake?
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I've had a lot of Texans who've told me
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: that they thought, they wish that I had done that. But,
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: you know, listen, I, He's supposed to be the champion debater, right?
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: He was the Princeton debate team. I was just a
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: football player. But I think we roughed him up pretty
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: good there. And honestly, it's just stuff that he's done.
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: And his record is indefensible. And that he's tried to
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: now in an election year completely change his entire personality
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: for 12 years. He's been like this proud extremist. And
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: you almost would respect it more if he just ran
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: on that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: But instead to try and, you know, pretend like as
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: he was in the debate, you know, for example, that
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: he wants to defend IVF.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: No, you're responsible for why IVF is at risk.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: Or to talk when we're talking about January 6th. You know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: that was one where, you know, I really it made
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: me angry when he started laughing during my answer because
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: there was a mob. on the 6th, and it did
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: storm the Capitol. And it came there because of folks
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: like Ted Cruz who lied and said the election was stolen,
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: who objected to the results in Arizona, who was the
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: architect of the plan to overturn that election. And when
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: that mob came and when I took off my suit
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: jacket and was ready to defend my colleagues on the
• 43:23
  Speaker 9: House floor, he was hiding in a supply closet. And
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: so this brings me back to my point. He's too
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: small for Texas. And I felt that way in the debate.
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: He was shouting, as.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: He always does.
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: You know, it kind of looked like he was pretty uncomfortable. And,
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: you know, it was a lot of fun for me.
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: And I don't think it was very fun for a
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: lot of Texans, though, to have to listen to him
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: for an hour.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: No, it's not fun at all.
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: One thing about debates, I mean, Michelle Obama famously said,
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: when they go low, we go high. But in football,
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: the low man wins.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: Well, listen, I was not going to go in there
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: and not call him out on his nonsense, you know.
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: And I don't think that's being negative. It's just what
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: he's been doing.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: No, you just literally talked about his record. There's been
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of consternation.
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: Among Democrats, myself included, about losing badly with young men.
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: You and I talked about this challenge a year ago
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: when you were here in LA. Have you seen that
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: slippage in your race? And how have you been trying
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: to convince younger men that the Democratic Party understands them
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: and cares about them?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: Well, listen, it's been a focus of mine. And I
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: think it's something that we do have to talk about
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: and focus on. You have to have policies that are
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: kind of geared towards young men, which I think is
• 44:39
  Speaker 9: often around opportunity, around making sure that folks have a
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: chance to take care of their families, that when we're
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: talking about the economy, that we're talking about building an
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: economy where work is respected and rewarded. But then also there's,
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: I think, kind of a longing for an authenticity and
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: somebody who understands what young men are going through and
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: that can speak to that with some authenticity. I think
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: Coach Walls, for example, does that. And I think for
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: me with my background, I try and do that as
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: well to say, listen, I've played football in college, in
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: the NFL.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: I spent my career.
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: Working in these contexts where we have to find a
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: way as men to get things done and to put
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: aside our differences and and to work on a team
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: and to accomplish a goal and to show leadership and
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: to show that there's something larger than yourself and to
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: be a part of an effort that is something larger
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: than yourself. And that, I think, is something that has helped.
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: But I also think that there is a very shallow,
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: very weak version of masculinity that folks like Ted Cruz
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: try to pitch, which is one that's based on fear
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: of women doing well or fear or resentment of someone
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: else doing well. And then trying to appeal to these
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: kind of most negative instincts. And so we have to
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: compete with that. But I don't think we compete with
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: it by being who they are. I think we compete
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: with it by presenting a more positive vision of what
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: we can be.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed. We're recording this on Wednesday, October 23rd.
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: Vice President Kamala Harris is coming to Texas in two
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: days on Friday. for an event focused on abortion and
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: reproductive health care. Normally, the Democratic presidential nominee doesn't campaign
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: in Texas this close to Election Day. Why do you
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: think she's making this trip now? And what do you
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: expect that you guys will talk about?
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: Well, because what's happening in Texas with this abortion ban
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: is nothing short of a tragedy. And it is Ted
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: Cruz's fault. And we have all of these harrowing stories
• 46:43
  Speaker 9: that folks saw at the DNC, that they see in
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: commercials around the country, but many of them are my friends.
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: They're Texas women. They're these Texas women who come forward
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: and use, as you know, Tommy, one of the most
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: difficult moments in their life. They've taken that grief and
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: that anger that they felt about it, and they've turned
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: it into action, and they are inspiring. They inspire me
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: every single day. We did an event last night with
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: Connie Britton, And with Lauren Miller, who is a friend
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: of mine, an eight-generation Texan who had to leave the
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: state to get the care she needed. And Kate Cox,
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: who has become basically at this point a national figure.
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: Kate's a good friend of mine as well. We did
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: that last night, talking about this. And so that's what
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: we're going to be doing, is talking about on the
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: national stage what has happened in Texas, how folks like
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: Ted Cruz want to do this around the country. And
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: I think it's important that Texas women and Texas stories
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: are told on that stage.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: I think, I think that's really important. I commend you
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: and I commend the vice president for talking about this. Um,
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: as someone who, uh, my wife and I experienced a
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: lot of pregnancy loss, including a stillborn baby at six months.
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: And if someone had told us, you know, to go
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: home and wait a while and, you know, see if
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: she met some threshold for this being a life threatening illness. Uh,
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: I think I would have walked out of that hospital
• 48:01
  Speaker 10: room in handcuffs. Um, because you know, you don't want
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: to hear someone put your spouse in a position like that. Uh,
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: switching gears. I was just watching Kamala Harris before he
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: came in. She was doing a, uh, press statement about
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: recent comments by John Kelly, who's the four-star general who
• 48:16
  Speaker 10: later worked as Trump's chief of staff, who said Trump, quote,
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: falls into the definition of a fascist. That comes after
• 48:23
  Speaker 10: Mark Milley, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs under Trump,
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: and then Biden told Bob Woodward that Trump was, quote,
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: fascist to the core.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Now, I understand.
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: I mean, I sit in a million focus groups and
• 48:34
  Speaker 10: read a lot of polls, and I know voters care
• 48:36
  Speaker 10: about the basics, paying their bills, access to health care,
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: social security. But it's also chilling to your core to
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: hear the people closest to Trump who worked with him
• 48:48
  Speaker 10: day in and day out talk about him this way.
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: How do you think Democrats, what do we do with
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: this information? Should it be part of our day-to-day message?
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: Or is this a distraction from economic issues and abortion?
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: How are you thinking about it?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 9: Well, certainly with Ted Cruz, I talk about January 6th.
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: And I talk about what his role was in that.
• 49:09
  Speaker 9: I talk about how he was hiding. when the mob came,
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: because he was. And I also say that I'm glad
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: he was safe that day. And that this election is
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: his accountability, right? And to me, we have to talk
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: about all of it. And voters are incredibly complicated. I
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: was campaigning here with Liz Cheney in Dallas. And Liz
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: is involved in this race because she knows that Ted
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: Cruz is a.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: Threat to democracy.
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: And she and I we're already friends, but we formed
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: and we really forged a closer relationship on January 6th
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: and the days thereafter because of her clear-eyed view that
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: we had to have a response to this and accountability
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: for it. And so to me, this election is about that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: It's about a lot of things. It's about freedom, restoring
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: what's right to choose, particularly here in Texas. It's about
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: opportunity and who has a better plan to make sure
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: that you and your family can get ahead. We know
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: that costs are still too high. As somebody who was
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: raised by a single mother who struggled growing up here
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: in Dallas, I'm laser focused on that. You think the
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: guy who goes to Cancun and Ted Cruz is, who's
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: at the Ritz-Carlton? I don't think so, right? And it's
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: also about accountability. And I think it's also about the
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: threat that we face that if we have someone who
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: doesn't respect our constitution in positions of high office. And
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: so I do think that we have to talk about
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: it all. And I don't think that you can ignore it.
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: I also certainly don't think that it can be the
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: only pitch, right? It has to be everything.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: Listen, my New England Patriots stink, but that does not
• 50:44
  Speaker 10: stop me from talking about football. Football is playing a
• 50:48
  Speaker 10: fun and bigger role in this year's election. So Governor
• 50:51
  Speaker 10: Tim Walz, the vice presidential nominee, was a defensive coordinator
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: for a state champion high school team in Minnesota. When
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: I interviewed him back in February here in the office,
• 51:02
  Speaker 10: I said, what defense did he run? He told me
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: he ran a 4-4 defense. His guys were focused on
• 51:06
  Speaker 10: reading guards. For non-football fans out there, a 4-4 defense
• 51:11
  Speaker 10: is a type of alignment where you have four down linemen,
• 51:13
  Speaker 10: like the big boys in the three-point stance, and then
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: four linebackers, which are the slightly less big guys who
• 51:20
  Speaker 10: are faster, the position Colin played in the NFL and
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: in college. Max Brown, a former QB for USC in
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: Pittsburgh turned sports commentator, saw a clip of that interview
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: and he threw down the gauntlet for how he would
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: torch Tim Walls' defense.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Let's listen to a little clip of that.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: Tim, Tim, Tim, here's how we're going to put you
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: in a blunder. In your 4-4 defense, you put your
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: corners in an absolute bind. You're packing the box. We're
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: going to RPO your ass right from the jump. Fake
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: the run here. This linebacker on the outside, he cannot
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: be right. He plays the run. We'll kick it out
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: to the bubble by the F. He plays the F
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: on the bubble. We got to slant right behind him.
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: We're going to run this until we get tired. And
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: then from there, we're going four verts. So you got
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: two linebackers right here trying to run with my guys
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: vertically in the slot with a single high safety. We
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: are going to work these seams, find the mismatch, and
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: exploit it.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: All day long.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's just part of it. It was a great video. Colin,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: you played in the NFL.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: You know defense.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: You're the captain, right, of the Baylor team?
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: What halftime adjustments would you make to Max's scheme there?
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: How are we pushing back?
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Okay, so here's the thing.
• 52:22
  Speaker 9: In the NFL, we match personnel, okay? So what Max
• 52:26
  Speaker 9: is talking about, You wouldn't have a 4-4 defense on
• 52:29
  Speaker 9: the field when you've got three receivers on the offense, right?
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: You wouldn't have four linebackers out there. We'd be in
• 52:34
  Speaker 9: a nickel, right? So we've got to adjust to go
• 52:37
  Speaker 9: to nickel. What's a nickel? For everybody listening, okay? It's
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: four down linemen, two linebackers, five DBs, okay? Five DBs.
• 52:44
  Speaker 9: So the DBs are the fast guys, right?
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:46
  Speaker 9: And if nickel's not working, then we'll get into a dime.
• 52:48
  Speaker 9: We'll have one linebacker. And six DBs. But you know what?
• 52:52
  Speaker 9: When we're in that nickel, we're going to blitz the
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: heck out of you. We're going to disguise the blitz.
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: You're never going to know what we're in. And on
• 52:59
  Speaker 9: one side of the field, we're going to be in
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: one coverage. And on the other side of the field,
• 53:01
  Speaker 9: we're going to be in a different coverage. So you
• 53:02
  Speaker 9: have two different reads. And so your young quarterback is
• 53:05
  Speaker 9: not going to know what's happening. And by the time
• 53:07
  Speaker 9: he figures it out, we're going to hit him. And
• 53:08
  Speaker 9: that's how we're going to make sure we put you
• 53:10
  Speaker 9: in a blender.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: Max, we're going to blitz your ass all day long, buddy.
• 53:14
  Speaker 10: I hope you see this on social media and respond.
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: One more football question. Dallas Cowboys are 3-3. Is Dak
• 53:20
  Speaker 10: Prescott still the guy?
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: Dak's the guy. That's not the issue, quite honestly. They've
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: got to stop the run. And as a linebacker, I
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: always come back to the trenches. If you can't stop
• 53:30
  Speaker 9: the run and run the ball, ultimately you're going to
• 53:32
  Speaker 9: get exposed. So it's not on Dak. The quarterbacks get
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: too much credit, and they get too much of the blame.
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: So sometimes you've got to have big boys in the
• 53:39
  Speaker 9: trenches who are moving people around, and that's really how
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: you win football games.
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: And you've got some injuries, right? I mean, Micah Parsons
• 53:46
  Speaker 10: has been out. He's one of the best athletes on
• 53:49
  Speaker 10: the field today.
• 53:50
  Speaker 9: I think he might be the second coming of Lawrence Taylor. Yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: that's right.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: He really is one of those guys.
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: Him and like Aiden Hutchinson, you look at them and
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: their motor on the field and they do not slow
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: down for a single second of any snap. And they're
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: also so fast. I mean, these guys are like 6'4,
• 54:06
  Speaker 10: you know, 280. They're dropping in coverage. They're doing everything
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: on the field.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
• 54:11
  Speaker 9: TJ Watts out there getting interceptions and taking them back
• 54:13
  Speaker 9: for two rounds.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 54:15
  Speaker 10: I saw, I was at the Steelers facility once like
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: last year, two years ago. TJ walked by me and
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: I was like, that's not a person. That is not
• 54:23
  Speaker 10: a species of human I've ever seen. A last dumb
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: question for you. Two questions, one dumb, one not. Do
• 54:28
  Speaker 10: you think you have the fastest 40 time in Congress?
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: You know, when my friend Anthony Gonzalez, who was a
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: wide receiver for Ohio State and Indy was there, I
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: did not because he ran, I think, 4-4 and he
• 54:42
  Speaker 9: was first round pick. But he's gone now. So I
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: think I probably do Yeah.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Four, four, your, your feet are not touching the ground.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: You're basically flying. Um, last question.
• 54:51
  Speaker 10: Listen, if people are listening, they might not be from Texas,
• 54:53
  Speaker 10: but they're like, we got to get rid of Ted Cruz.
• 54:55
  Speaker 10: Colin seems like a great guy. I want him in
• 54:57
  Speaker 10: the U S Senate.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: What do they do to help you out?
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, thanks Tommy.
• 54:59
  Speaker 9: Listen, this is incredibly close and I want everybody to
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: drop all of your scar tissue that you might have
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: around Texas. This is a race that we're going to win,
• 55:07
  Speaker 9: but we need help. And I hope folks will go
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: to Colin all red.com and get involved. Ted Cruz is
• 55:13
  Speaker 9: our problem in Texas. But even if you're not in Texas,
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: he's your problem, too. And we can beat him here.
• 55:17
  Speaker 9: And when we do, it's going to be a win
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: for our state and for our country. So go to ColinAlroyd.com
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: and get involved.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Beautiful. Donate. Volunteer your time. Do what you can.
• 55:27
  Speaker 10: We've got a couple weeks left, folks. We have agency here.
• 55:29
  Speaker 10: We can make a difference in these elections. These things
• 55:31
  Speaker 10: are won or lost at the margins. Half a percent here,
• 55:34
  Speaker 10: a couple dollars there. So chip in.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Do what you can. And thank you for joining the show.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, Tommy. Appreciate you.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: That's our show for today. Dan will be back in
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the feed with another bonus PSA on Sunday morning. Dan,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: what can you tell us about the latest Polar Coaster?
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Talking to David Binder, who heads up polling and research
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: for the Harris campaign. He is a longtime friend of ours,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: did focus groups on both Obama campaigns, is one of
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: the smartest guys in the business. So I'm very excited
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: to hear what he has to say about how this
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: campaign is going to shape up over the next seven days.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: And because one interview is not enough, we're talking to
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Ron Brownstein about how... demographics have shifted in the battleground
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: states and what that could mean for election day.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I am going to listen to that episode the second
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: it drops, which is probably just past midnight when I'll
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: be up because I don't sleep anymore. I'll be trying
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: to listen to that while some New York Times Santa
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: poll drops and ruins our Sunday.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I think Nate Cohen's going to ruin next Sunday, not
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: this Sunday.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Well, Ann Seltzer's already ready to ruin next Sunday, because
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: that's usually when the last Des Moines Register poll comes out.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Don't fall for that.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Don't fall for what? What am I falling for?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: The thing is, you're so worried about this. You brought
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: this up to me three days ago. And I was like, oh,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: the poll's coming out today.
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: No.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: It's hypothetically coming out in four days after you brought
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: it up to me. They pull in a non-battleground state.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: Can't wait.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Can't wait.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: All right, everyone.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Have a good weekend. Go volunteer. Go help out. Let's
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: win this thing. We'll talk to you next week.
• 57:14
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