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#311: Final Destination (2000) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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  In death, there are no accidents, no coincidences, no
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  mishaps, and no escapes. Welcome to What's Your Least
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  Favorite Scary Movie? The podcast where we talk about
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  the good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd, and all of our
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  favorite and least favorite scary movies.
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  Because we believe every horror movie rightfully has his fan
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  base. Even if we don't always get it.
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  My name's Travis. My name is Jesse.
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  And welcome everybody. We got a new franchise on the
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  show this month. Yep, it's brand new.
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  We're doing Final Destination. It's Season 4.
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  We're gonna be busting this thing open.
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  Announcements don't have any. Nope, no announcements.
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  No, but we also don't have a poll, so don't worry about that.
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  No announcements, no polls, it is what it is, but we're really
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  excited to be starting on this new franchise.
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  If you are a new listener, John, in my Final Destination,
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  welcome. Yeah, what we do is we we talk
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  about a different horror movie every week, but once a month we
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  visit a movie from a franchise. When we first started the show,
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  we did Friday the 13th. We've done screen, we've done
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  saw, we've done Halloween. We just finished up with Texas
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  Chainsaw Massacre. And so now, once a month for the
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  next 6 months, we will be talking about Final Destination
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  in its entire TV. Yeah.
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  So we're going to get into it. Final Destination release March
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  17th, 2000. We watched it on our DVD, but if
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  you would like to watch it, you can stream it on HBO or if you
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  have to rent it, you can rent it on Plex, Amazon, Apple TV or
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  YouTube. And all of the Final Destination
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  movies are on HBO Max right now. Yeah, written by Jeffrey Reddick
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  who did the story and also wrote on the screenplay and also who
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  helped on the screenplay. We have Glenn Morgan and James
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  Wong, who James Wong also directed this movie and music by
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  Shirley Walker. Special X Makeup by Terry
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  Sonderhoff. All Right starring Devin Sawa as
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  Alex Browning, Ally Water as Queer Rivers, Kerr Smith as
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  Carter Horton, Kristen Quoke as Miss Gluten, Chad Donnella as
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  Ted Wagner, Sean Williams Scott as Billy Hitchcock, Tony Todd as
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  Bloodworth. Ted Wagner.
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  Who's Ted? Todd Wagner, Sorry, it looked a
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  little bit like an E there. Chad Donnella as Todd Wagner TO
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  Single D, Sean Williams Scott is Billy Hitchcock, Tony Todd is
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  Bloodworth and Amanda Detmer as Terry Cheney.
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  Rest in peace, Tony Todd. Yeah, and the Strogan.
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  Still so sad. All right, time for our favorite
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  game on the show, Budget or Buckton.
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  Once again for new listeners here, hi, welcome again.
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  What's up? We play this game.
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  It started kind of just as us having fun reading a little typo
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  in a review or somebody referred to a movie as being very little
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  Bug Ted. We've adopted that into our
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  vernacular. Bug Ted represents a budget of
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  less than $10 million, and budget is 10 million and higher.
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  Yeah. And for this one, based on what
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  I think is a stellar cast, they're not unknowns by any
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  means. And all of the set pieces and
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  the effects and everything that's super involved in this
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  movie because it's a very involved movie.
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  It is. I'm going to say it's budget,
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  OK. I agree with you because I have
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  the answer here. It is budget.
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  It is $23 million for the budget.
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  In fact, OK with an opening box office of $10 million and a
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  worldwide gross of 112 million. All right, so it made its
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  returns. And then some IMDb 6.7.
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  Only 6.7. Only 6.7 wild.
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  Yeah. Well, yeah, I don't know.
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  That's good. I mean, it's good for a horror
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  movie, but I think it deserves more than that, I think.
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  It's good for a movie. Movie on IMDb.
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  Those people are like really fucking picky.
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  It's not Letterbox. At least I think people go
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  really hard on Letterbox with that stuff.
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  I'm afraid of letterbox. I am too, actually.
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  All right, so I have three other movies from 2000 to compare this
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  to. It was a bit of a tricky one for
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  me this time around because I had a hard time picking a theme
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  with anything that would relate to this and I didn't find
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  anything that would relate. I I did 3 movies that have
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  musical artists in the cast all right.
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  So the first one being American Psycho which had Jared Leto in
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  it. I always forget he's in that
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  movie. Yeah, he doesn't have a huge
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  role, but he makes an impression.
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  He's probably in one of the more memorable scenes at least that
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  released April 14th with a $7 million budget, a $34 million
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  gross, and a 7.6 on IMDb movie #2 Leprechaun in the Hood, which
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  released March 28th, 2000 and I believe has iced tea in the cast
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  so. Leprechaun released not on Saint
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  Patrick's Day, where his final destination did.
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  How do you know the day of Saint Patrick's Day?
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  Because it's the same every year and also is my mom's birthday,
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  it's always the 17th, her birthday or Saint Patrick's Day.
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  The Saint Patrick's Day, obviously, it's not like a leap
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  year thing or anything like that.
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  Yeah, Saint Patrick's Day has always been March 17th.
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  That's some bullshit. I didn't know that before.
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  This is news to me. I thought that was one of those
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  like whenever, but that was one of those like moving dates like
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  Thanksgiving, whatever, whatever, Tuesday, Thursday,
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  Wednesday, whatever, it just whatever they they feel.
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  That I like how in your in your mind, Saint Patrick's Day must
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  be on a weeknight. It's a midweek type of holiday.
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  It's It's a holiday that is famously associated with over
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  consuming alcohol, but. That's true.
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  Sure, midweek. OK so that movie had a budget of
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  1.4 million. I don't have the gross, but the
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  IMDb was 3.8 I I don't know if it's good or not.
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  I've never I've only watched the first one.
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  Yeah, we. Need to we need to probably
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  check those out a little bit more.
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  OK. And the final movie was Shriek
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  If You Know What I Did Last Friday the 13th, which has
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  Coolio in it that released October 17th, 2000 with the $5
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  million budget and a four out of 10 on 9DB.
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  All right. All right.
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  What a varied mixture of movies in 2000.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's just it's a very strange
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  year for horror movies, I think. OK, so I've got I've shipped on
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  the dag lines. We're going to go first with the
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  one that's on the poster, which is death doesn't take no for an
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  answer. I like that.
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  I like that one too. That one's good.
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  It also makes it seem like death is a tough negotiator.
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  Yeah, Which if we start looking at death like a lawyer as we go
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  throughout all of these movies, I think that will be a fun spin
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  on it. Yeah, You know, actually, that's
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  a good way to think about it. Like, here are the others most
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  people have dreams for Alex. This is real, which I'm not not
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  big on that one. I don't.
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  I mean, it could be about anything.
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  Face your deepest fears before they face you.
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  Again, it could be about anything.
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  Yeah, death is the final destination.
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  Boarding starts now. That's a good one.
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  That 1 is really good and. Here's the thing, I haven't
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  flown since I was 11 maybe so I forgot that final destination is
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  a flying term until we watch this and that kind of ties it
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  all in together. Where the where the name of.
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  The franchise comes from, Yeah, you know, I hadn't really
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  considered that before. I always just thought of like
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  death as the final destination. Yeah, I was just like, oh, OK,
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  yeah. In the best twisted tradition of
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  the Twilight Zone. I think that's one of those
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  where it's like it goes above the title of the movie, like
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  from the producers of such and such like.
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  I think it's just one of those types of things.
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  So I don't count it as a real as a real tagline.
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  OK, IMDb does not vet these I guess.
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  A film that decapitates Scream 3.
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  I feel like that's mean. Yeah, they they actually scream
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  a little bit for some of the stuff in here, which is part of
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  some of the details later. Also, if Scott William, what's
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  his name? Sean, William.
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  Scott, Sean. William Scott, thank you.
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  I that would be a better tagline if he was in Scream 3 in some
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  way shape or form. Oh.
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  My God, yeah, that's not the situation.
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  That would be yeah, on March 17th.
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  Figure out when it's coming back at them.
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  I don't like that one. Too many, too many unspecified
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  pronouns. It's it's OK.
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  It's not the best intervention comes at a price.
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  OK. Yeah, it's OK.
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  Yeah. OK, no accidents, no
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  coincidences, no escapes. You can't cheat death.
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  That's like slightly different from what you said at the
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  beginning, right? Or is that exactly word for
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  word? It the one I said started with
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  in death, so it's like slightly. This is like straight up a Tony
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  Todd quote. Right.
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  Yeah, yeah. That was blood work all the way,
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  right. That's what obviously I was
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  gonna open this up with with Tony Todd.
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  Yeah, OK. Death doesn't take no for an
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  answer. We already did that 10.
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  That's right. OK.
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  Can you cheat death? I I don't feel like this is on
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  me. You know what, I might be
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  tempting death here, but one of the fun things about this DVD is
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  it has a thing where you can it's a death clock, and you like
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  to take a quiz and it gives you a date for when you're supposed
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  to die. They made an entire movie about
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  that. They did, yeah.
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  And I did mine, and mine happened on our anniversary,
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  2020, May 27th. Wow.
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  Yeah, so I should have died on an anniversary five years ago,
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  but I guess I cheated death. It was COVID it.
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  Was COVID? Oh my.
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  God, we would have done that year.
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  Holy shit, you're right. OK, death is coming.
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  OK. I'll see you soon.
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  So I like signed by death. Because it's.
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  Heart. Next stop, it's you.
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  That's not bad. I don't.
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  I think that's more of no, that's better for like a train.
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  Are you ready to match wits with the Grim Reaper?
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  I just feel like there are too many.
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  That's way too many. Yeah, that is a lot that.
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  Stopped being fun very quickly. And it's a normally.
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  I love tag lines. Yeah, well, they didn't really
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  try too much after a certain point, I don't feel.
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  OK. So let's do some fun facts.
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  All right. All right, So Jeffrey Reddick
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  tried. He was he was trying to get his
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  star in TV. He was trying to find an agent.
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  So he decided that he was going to take a he was going to write
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  his own spec script for an X-Files episode.
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  OK. And he ended up writing it.
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  And it was inspired by a real incident where the events
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  actually happened, where this woman called her daughter that
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  was about to go on a plane and told her not to go on the plane.
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  And she didn't. And that plane ended up actually
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  crashing. Yeah, pretty crazy.
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  And then he was wondering, like, what if she was actually meant
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  to die that day? So that's where the idea of the
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  story came from. While writing it, he ended up
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  getting some advice from some of his colleagues saying he should
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  just focus on making a movie out of this instead of doing an
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  X-Files episode. So he decided to turn it into a
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  movie. It would have originally been
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  about adults, however there was a big Scream influence going on
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  at the time, so they decided to shift it to teenagers instead.
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  They were all really excited about it not being a slasher
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  because they really liked the idea of it being death itself
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  and not necessarily like a straight up villain that is on
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  screen. It's just like an
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  all-encompassing thing. So I got a couple of quotes from
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  them here about it. I like that though, as you're
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  pulling that up, I like that because we're not we're, it
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  makes it so much easier to just root for our cast of heroes
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  because there's not, it's not that thing that you and I have
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  run into so often where you kind of.
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  I root for Michael Myers, Yeah. Yeah, it's and it, it kind of
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  changes how like the viewing experience of the movie, I
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  think. Yeah, it really does.
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  So James Wong, who directed this, one thing we're all in
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  agreement in agreement on from the start, is that we didn't
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  want to do a slasher movie. I became very excited when we
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  decided to make the world at large in the service of death,
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  our antagonist. Everyday objects and occurrences
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  then take on ominous proportions, and it becomes less
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  about whether or not our characters are going to die and
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  more about how they will die and how they can delay their deaths.
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  The entertainment is in the ride, not in the outcome.
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  And by placing the premise of the film on the inevitability of
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  death, we play with a certain philosophical no, which I think
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  is definitely one of the biggest strengths of this movie.
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  I'm really glad that they made that choice.
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  Yes, absolutely. However, Jeffrey Reddick now
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  regrets not having death be an on screen present purely for
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  capitalistic reasons. He only wants it for merch.
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  Yeah, it's really hard to do Final Destination merch and I'm
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  very excited to see what you end up coming up as our new cover
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  and. Still haven't decided.
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  Our artwork for this week's episode.
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  Yeah, he. Yeah.
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  So yeah, he said no physical antagonist, so he can't do
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  action figures like he. And he's really bummed that
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  nobody can really do a costume at Halloween for it either,
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  which if you're creative enough, you can definitely do it.
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  Brett and Jeffrey Reddick originally wanted MTV Best Kiss
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  Award winner Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst to be Alex and
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  Queer Rivers. You know what?
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  I can see it. I can see it.
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  I. Can see it too, I just think
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  it's. Really fun and there's a great
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  set up where if Tobey Maguire is in the Alex Browning role, at
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  some point he gets flipped upside down and they kiss that
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  way. Oh, they Yeah, yeah.
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  That absolutely could happen. I'm you know what?
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  I'm here for it. However, I mean how else is he
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  going to get MTV best kiss award if he's not in Spider Man?
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  Which is weird. I don't know if that came before
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  or after this. I think it came out around the
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  same time, no? A year later, 2001, That's
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  right. Devin Sowell actually read the
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  script while he was on a plane, and that caused him to start
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  peeking out and check the engine every few minutes.
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  While he's doing that, he actually wasn't going to get the
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  role. They were very iffy on him, and
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  they had him like, do more reads about it.
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  And then they're like, OK, let's check out his filmography.
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  And the movie that got him the role was Idle Hands.
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  They watched Idle Hands and they're like, fuck yeah, let's
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  get Devin Sowell on there. Love that.
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  Yeah, production designer John Willett came up with the idea to
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  skew sets. So this is something I've never
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  noticed before and I'm going to be paying very close attention
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  next time we rewatch it. But he designed 2 versions of
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  every set. Changes that occur, changes that
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  wouldn't necessarily be noticeable.
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  It's like little color choices. Or he would like try and make
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  things just appear not quite right on the set.
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  OK, so there are two different ones, pre explosion and post
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  explosion. OK yeah, so I guess if like
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  you've had seen any other people or sets like areas beforehand,
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  like, you know, try and check next time you watch and see if
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  you notice any differences. But that applies to clothing
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  too. Like with the before everybody
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  was wearing more like loud colorful outfits but then
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  afterwards everything got muted and bland.
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  Which makes sense if the especially in this one where the
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  whole town is collectively grieving.
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  What happened that that tracks. Yeah, for sure.
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  They did the plane scene on a sound stage.
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  They took two months to build a £45,000 set.
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  They had a three ton hydraulic gimbal on there and they had 89
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  people on it at the same time. So when we're seeing that scene
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  of them on the plane and everything is going wrong, like
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  they're actually like shifting shit around.
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  So there are liars about how many people died in a plane
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  crash? Oh, how they said like 200
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  something, right? Yeah. 287 passengers 2. 187
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  Damn. OK, yeah, I guess they are
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  liars. Liars.
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  And there are a lot of things that were cut as a result of a
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  test screening that they did. And these are all deleted
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  scenes. But so here, here are some of
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  the things that are different. We had a romance scene between
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  Alex and Queer Rivers on the beach before Hitchcock dies.
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  When they're all looking for him, they apparently have sex
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  which leads Clear Rivers to become pregnant and the movie
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  ends with her giving birth to their child.
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  Also Carter survives, he doesn't die.
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  In this version they it ends with them both meeting up at his
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  tombstone. I don't like that.
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  I don't really like it either and actually test audiences
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  hated the fact that Carter died, so that reaction alone made them
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  go back and reshoot the. End is that Alex died?
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  No, you just said Carter. They oh, sorry, no, they don't
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  mind that, Alex said. They didn't want Carter to
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  survive. OK.
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  They wanted Carter to die so they ended up going back and re
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  shooting the whole ending, adding a $2,000,000 more to the
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  budget and they got Carter's stuff that way.
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  And they cut the love scene because apparently it didn't
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  really work. People were checking out around
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  that. And it makes some sense for some
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  things later because at the end of the movie we have Queer going
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  over to Alex and go baby baby. Yeah, she calls in baby a lot,
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  which I then suddenly. I thought it was very much 1
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  sided at that part. I was like that.
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  That's kind of weird that you've already formed this kind of
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  attachment to them. Yeah, apparently that's just
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  like a product of things being cut.
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  OK. I also feel like because they're
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  all seniors and they're getting ready to graduate, so they're
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  already like going through that kind of like cusp into
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  adulthood. And then throwing in this
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  massive event, dealing with the survival survivor's guilt, and
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  then all of the other deaths that are happening afterwards
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  ages them in a different way. And then throwing in an
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  unplanned teen pregnancy and the death of the child's father on
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  top of it just takes a weird tonal shift for it.
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  It does for sure, and I think. It gets used better in the
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  second one. Yeah, that's where the idea
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  came, because they had that idea in the first movie.
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  They said like, the only way to prevent death is new life.
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  So that was like actually a carryover from the first one
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  into the next one. And I think it it works a lot
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  better in the second. One.
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  Yeah, I agree. OK, so that's it for fun.
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  Facts. OK, let's get into our good bad
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  Adobe absurd. Jesse, what'd you like about it?
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  Well, I love the cast. As I mentioned before, I think
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  it's just fantastic. Stellar performances throughout
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  and all of these people have gone on to have really great
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  careers. It's a Hall of Fame cast for us
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  because we have, I mean, Devin Sawa, obviously we have Todd.
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  Todd is a minor character in this but he is like legendary in
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  our house just for Saw 7. Yeah, crazier than Caddesac.
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  It's crazier than a sack of cats.
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  Cats Sacks. Yeah, but like, I think the the
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  cast is great and it it is a scary movie.
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  It toys with you in a way that like they're saying slashers
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  don't because this is absolutely just your imagination getting
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  the best of you. And then it's like somebody dug
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  into there and they're like, oh, what if you were worried about
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  like spilling a soda into your computer and then exploding on
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  you? Like, and your rational mind is
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  like, that doesn't happen. And then you see it happen in
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  the movie and you're like, Oh my God.
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  Yeah. No, that's yeah.
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  Like, and every movie has managed to come up with
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  different scenes like that, and I think that it's really great.
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  And I think that this movie also plays the whole skepticism about
• 19:56
  the premonition realistically. Yeah, because it's like people
• 20:03
  aren't buying it, obviously, but they also don't have any hard
• 20:05
  evidence. To tie Alex to the explosion of
• 20:11
  Flight 180, they do get some evidence for some other things
• 20:15
  that have happened, but I think that that honestly makes a lot
• 20:18
  of sense. And it's kind of funny cuz I'm
• 20:20
  reading Christine right now and it's a very similar kind of.
• 20:23
  Same type of thing. Yeah, where it's like, we feel
• 20:26
  like you're involved, but we can't prove it.
• 20:29
  And if you don't believe in the supernatural, you're not going
• 20:31
  to believe in the actual yeah explanation that's there.
• 20:34
  And I just think, like, there's a reason that this franchise is
• 20:38
  still having movies come out 25 years later.
• 20:41
  Yeah, this is one that you can do forever.
• 20:44
  Yeah, you don't like, I mean it, it just works.
• 20:46
  So. Well, you never run out of
• 20:48
  different possibilities. All it takes is people sitting
• 20:51
  there going, well, what's really fucked up way that you could
• 20:54
  die? What's a very common fear you
• 20:56
  have? Yeah, which we'll talk about it
• 20:59
  later. But like you actually I think
• 21:02
  inspired one of the the deaths later on may or may not have
• 21:06
  inspired. I feel like they may have taken
• 21:07
  your idea. We'll get to that.
• 21:10
  Yeah, that's. That's a way to down the.
• 21:12
  Line. Yeah, but no, you're right.
• 21:14
  I love that that whole part of the series there.
• 21:17
  I mean, you can't kill death. So like you're Yeah, these
• 21:20
  movies are like it is. Always.
• 21:22
  And that's the thing, we all have to face our mortality.
• 21:24
  It's not necessarily like, oh, we're all gonna wind up being
• 21:27
  murdered. We just, we all will die at some
• 21:29
  point. And what if we're doing things
• 21:31
  that are cheating death? Like, how does that come back on
• 21:34
  us? So I think it's a really
• 21:35
  effective premise for a movie, and I'm glad that it turned into
• 21:38
  a full movie instead of a single X-Files episode.
• 21:42
  Yeah, which I feel like it would fit there, but it's definitely
• 21:45
  better for. A movie.
• 21:46
  But I am, because we know Jeffrey Reddick.
• 21:49
  Yeah. And I am grateful for him that
• 21:53
  he got to turn this into a franchise instead of it being
• 21:56
  something on X-Files. And somebody else is inspired by
• 21:59
  that, Yeah. And comes up with a very similar
• 22:02
  movie and then franchise premise.
• 22:04
  That's right, y'all. We're Jeffrey Reddick's a
• 22:06
  Kentucky boy. Yes, we've rubbed elbows.
• 22:09
  We've met. You got anything else?
• 22:10
  That's, I mean, that's a pretty big no, that's good bundle of
• 22:14
  it, yeah. Yeah, OK.
• 22:16
  Yeah, for me, this movie does so much well.
• 22:20
  Like, I love the small clues that we are given.
• 22:23
  Like it makes you paranoid in the movie.
• 22:26
  Like you try and spot random little things like, OK, this is
• 22:30
  right here is going to be a thing for sure.
• 22:31
  And I love how it's so good at misdirecting.
• 22:33
  Like it's good at setting up expectations and then completely
• 22:37
  going against what you think is going to happen, which is cool.
• 22:41
  Like it keeps the suspense building and keeps you guessing
• 22:44
  even though you have an idea of like, you know, something bad's
• 22:47
  about to happen. But like, it does a really good
• 22:50
  job of keeping that suspense going.
• 22:52
  I mean the movie also scared an entire generation of people.
• 22:57
  It is super fucking effective. Like everybody knows about this
• 23:01
  movie. Everybody.
• 23:03
  Although I think the next 1 is probably the most iconic one
• 23:05
  with the log truck. Absolutely.
• 23:07
  Yeah, because everybody drives, not everybody flies.
• 23:09
  I've never flown on a plane before, but this is going to be
• 23:12
  in the back of my mind whenever I do get on a plane eventually.
• 23:15
  Yeah, I know. My little sister called me
• 23:16
  yesterday. I was talking about being so
• 23:18
  kind of one of those log trucks and went on a whole tangent of
• 23:20
  where her brain went. Yeah.
• 23:22
  There was also a cool thing with this movie that they do that
• 23:26
  hasn't been done in the other movies, but like every single
• 23:29
  time somebody was about to die, they got glimpses of actual
• 23:32
  death and reflections of things. And I think that that's really
• 23:38
  cool. I wish that they had kept that,
• 23:39
  but that wasn't like a little detail that I hadn't really
• 23:42
  picked up on before. But like, I like, I mean, it's
• 23:45
  there. It's just, you know, sometimes
• 23:46
  when you're just watching these movies casually, you're not
• 23:48
  noticing every little thing. Like these are like blink in the
• 23:50
  Ole misses type. Yes, things right here that we
• 23:53
  will notice because we're taking notes to talk about it on the
• 23:55
  podcast. Yeah, exactly.
• 23:56
  But I thought that that was really cool.
• 23:59
  And obviously the inventive deaths in this movie, like
• 24:02
  everything is just super original.
• 24:04
  I love it. OK, OK, now I got ain't bad.
• 24:09
  Really. Honestly it's just that awkward
• 24:12
  build up in Alex and Clear's relationship.
• 24:15
  I I like them being together. I like that being the ending for
• 24:19
  them even though it's it's giving trauma bond but it wasn't
• 24:25
  handled super well because of the scenes that were cut and
• 24:29
  changed. So it just all of a sudden goes
• 24:31
  from like they know each other and they're bonding over
• 24:35
  something that seems so impossible to call on each
• 24:37
  other. Baby, it's.
• 24:39
  She's calling him baby as he is dying.
• 24:42
  Yeah. That is so strange.
• 24:44
  I like, I love you. I don't think we're pet name
• 24:47
  people. I think if you were dying, I'd
• 24:49
  be like, why the like? Do you know how hungry Zoe is
• 24:53
  right now? Yeah, she's fucking losing her
• 24:55
  mind right now. No, I'm saying that that's what
• 24:57
  I would. Be saying, yeah, yeah, I know.
• 24:59
  Yeah. I she also is just actively
• 25:01
  losing her mind right now because it's 15 minutes till
• 25:03
  dinner time. Don't worry, when you're dying
• 25:04
  I'm going to call you. Beep boop.
• 25:07
  Seriously, my my ass will come back and haunt you if you do
• 25:10
  that. Good, because then I get to keep
• 25:12
  you. Yeah.
• 25:15
  That's like, really the only bad I have too.
• 25:17
  Like it just. It's jarring.
• 25:19
  It's a little bit weird. Yeah.
• 25:23
  I mean, the area was more like me shooting water shooting maybe
• 25:25
  just like, cut that line. Just cut that one part.
• 25:28
  So a little snippet of of the movie.
• 25:31
  Yeah, cuz it, it happens like two or three times.
• 25:34
  Yeah, and it's it is jarring each time.
• 25:36
  I'm totally fine with them ending up together embarrassed
• 25:40
  cuz it's six months later. There's just time for something
• 25:42
  to develop and they're not worried about dying the entire
• 25:44
  time. Yeah, yeah, OK, uglies.
• 25:48
  Uglies I I think everybody's reaction to their grief, it's,
• 25:55
  it's ugly in a way that it feels very real because we got some
• 25:58
  people lashing out. Some people are just kind of
• 26:00
  like numb, you know, you've got Todd and George's dad is not
• 26:06
  wanting Todd and Alex to keep being friends.
• 26:09
  It's just, it's, it's ugly in the way that it feels real and
• 26:15
  grief is a very ugly raw monster.
• 26:18
  That's the same thing that I had to.
• 26:20
  It's just how everybody treats Alex specifically afterwards.
• 26:23
  Everybody calls him a freak and he didn't do anything wrong.
• 26:26
  He just like he saved people's lives, you know, and people are
• 26:30
  treating him so poorly. It is suspicious and honestly,
• 26:34
  Can you imagine if there had been a delay in this movie, if
• 26:37
  it had come out? Yeah, a year later.
• 26:40
  Yeah, a year. Yeah.
• 26:42
  But like if, if, like, and you could totally understand that
• 26:47
  reaction now, if somebody had had that moment, then you'd
• 26:50
  understand all of the suspicion. But I, I don't know how much
• 26:53
  that was in people like the idea of terroristic tampering with a
• 26:59
  plane. I don't know how much that was
• 27:00
  really on the forethought of people's.
• 27:02
  I don't know. Yeah, I really don't know.
• 27:05
  But I, I just, I don't think that he would make a big scene
• 27:09
  about it if you were responsible for it, you know, I don't know.
• 27:14
  Unless he got unless it like I'm just thinking like a movie FBI
• 27:18
  guy here. Unless his guilty conscience got
• 27:21
  the best of him at the last second.
• 27:23
  Could. I don't know.
• 27:24
  Or he was like a Patsy and he was supposed to be on the plane
• 27:29
  and make sure everything happened and he freaked out and
• 27:31
  backed off. Like backed out last night.
• 27:33
  Like, there we go. I can come up with like a
• 27:35
  plausible reason to be suspicious.
• 27:37
  OK all. Right, fair enough.
• 27:41
  Yeah, OK, that pretty much explains him specifically for
• 27:44
  me, though. Todd's dad just fucked that guy.
• 27:47
  He blamed him for his suicides like you did this.
• 27:50
  That was a that's a rough thing to say to another teenager and.
• 27:56
  Have you even seen that face by his brother?
• 27:59
  So maybe Todd was a favorite. He was totally TO single D.
• 28:03
  Where George was the favorite and they were pissed Todd was
• 28:06
  the one that got off the plane. They could be yeah, that that's
• 28:11
  his punishment. You can't hang out with people
• 28:12
  anymore because you fucking. Survived.
• 28:14
  Yeah. Do you know who your brother is?
• 28:16
  Do you know that he's going to go kiss someone on an elevator
• 28:19
  as it's crashing to its its landing?
• 28:22
  But he won't die in that. But you're going to let him die
• 28:24
  on an airplane? Yeah, Yeah.
• 28:26
  Huh. Huh.
• 28:27
  OK. I'm sorry.
• 28:29
  Oh man, fucking Billy being knocked off his bike every
• 28:34
  chance he gets. Dick.
• 28:37
  We say that so many times. So many times, yeah, it, it, it
• 28:41
  just, it happens consistently to him.
• 28:43
  And then even after he got his license and it was confirmed he
• 28:46
  got his license, he was still riding his bike around because
• 28:48
  Alex wouldn't tell him if he was going to get into a car wreck or
• 28:51
  not. I love Shawn Williams Scott, and
• 28:54
  I love it when he plays a doofus because he does it so well.
• 28:57
  Yeah, this is before. Well, it was after American Pie,
• 29:00
  but I'm glad that he was not typecast right away.
• 29:03
  And even an American Pie that kind of started leaning into him
• 29:06
  being a doofus, cuz they were like, man, Sean William Scott's
• 29:09
  really good at this. Yeah.
• 29:11
  OK, I got a lot of asserts here. So First off, I think it's
• 29:15
  really strange that death never takes the opportunity to wipe
• 29:17
  them all out together. Like they all died pretty much
• 29:20
  together at the same time. And there are so many scenes of
• 29:22
  them in a car together or like at the coffee shop or whatever
• 29:26
  where the bus hits. That's a.
• 29:27
  Really good point. Yeah, it's just like, why?
• 29:30
  Like death is like, I don't understand.
• 29:33
  Like it's it's got its own. I think Death might actually be
• 29:36
  really mad at Alex. It could be Death is a petty
• 29:39
  bitch just. Wants him to suffer after that
• 29:42
  TO single D Todd doesn't want to discuss the women with his poop
• 29:46
  smell, so instead he tells him that he's got some bladder shit
• 29:50
  going on. I noticed that too.
• 29:52
  I was like, OK, you don't want to shit in front of them, but
• 29:55
  you're going to be like, hey baby, how how about them Utis?
• 29:59
  Am I right? He's.
• 30:00
  Like I got some wrong, my bladder, some kind of infection.
• 30:03
  Like, yeah, so. What's up?
• 30:05
  It's just. Like not peeing after sex, which
• 30:08
  I totally do a lot of, right? Yeah, right.
• 30:11
  Must. Have been from on that 6.
• 30:15
  Alex heading over to Miss Gluten's house and grabbing the
• 30:18
  knife after all of that shit. He couldn't have framed himself
• 30:23
  better if he tried like that. I think that's why death is
• 30:26
  taking its time because they're like this dude is going to
• 30:28
  implicate himself anyway. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:31
  And while we're at Miss Luton's, the fact that when she is making
• 30:35
  a drink, she's just drinking boiling water.
• 30:38
  There's no tea in there, There's no coffee, there's nothing.
• 30:42
  I think she was going to put a tea bag into the boiling water
• 30:45
  once it was poured into her mug. Perhaps.
• 30:48
  And then she decided she needed something stronger, so she
• 30:51
  dumped it out, put in the ice and the vodka instead.
• 30:54
  And that's what caused the mug to crack, because it was a
• 30:56
  sudden temperature change. OK, I knew that that's why that
• 30:58
  happened, but I just thought it was strange I didn't make that.
• 31:03
  Because some people when they do tea, they'll like, put the
• 31:06
  leaves in the teapot and steep it that way.
• 31:08
  But I'm a single tea bag person myself, so it's a similar
• 31:14
  situation. I would just boil some hot
• 31:16
  water, pour it into it and then add the yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:20
  OK. Well, after all that, what do
• 31:22
  you rate this? 09.75.
• 31:25
  Oh, and not even a ten. Wow, OK.
• 31:27
  I here's the thing. I am trying to view it as its
• 31:33
  own separate movie, but I keep thinking about the other one.
• 31:35
  So we got coming down the line. I'm like some of those.
• 31:37
  I feel like I would get a 10 really.
• 31:39
  Well this might be a franchise where I hand out several 10s cuz
• 31:43
  this is such a good one, but I'm giving this one A10.
• 31:45
  This movie is so fucking. Good.
• 31:46
  Maybe. And maybe you can talk me into
• 31:47
  it by the end of this, OK, It's not, it's not final yet.
• 31:50
  It's not the final destination. Yeah.
• 31:52
  So we got a starting average of 9.875.
• 31:54
  OK, cool. All right, so let's get into it.
• 31:57
  All right, so we start off with ominous packing opening credits.
• 32:03
  Yeah, it's like opening shots of fans and spooky faces.
• 32:07
  There's a book about France. I guess that's his textbook for
• 32:11
  school. Going yeah, they're in a French
• 32:14
  class. But it's right next to a book,
• 32:16
  Death of the Salesman. Yeah, which is we get a little
• 32:20
  premonition around the gate right there.
• 32:22
  So Todd and George's dad is going to be picking Alex up.
• 32:25
  Alex is who Alex is superstitious.
• 32:27
  He's using his dad's luggage and he wants to keep the luggage tag
• 32:30
  on it. And then his mom's like, no,
• 32:31
  that's dumb. I don't like indulge the kid.
• 32:35
  Yeah, come on, He's in high school.
• 32:36
  He's about to go to France. Let him have some fun.
• 32:38
  Yeah, and they they're doing a 10 day trip to Paris.
• 32:43
  It's their senior trip senior French class.
• 32:46
  How rich is this school? It's a. 10 days in Paris.
• 32:50
  Yeah, that's insane. For a bunch of teenagers and for
• 32:53
  faculty. Yeah, it's it's pretty bougie
• 32:56
  right there. That's pretty awesome.
• 32:58
  That's. Wild like how many grown adults
• 33:01
  could just afford 10 days in Paris?
• 33:05
  I don't know, but they're also going to have to like buy some
• 33:08
  like on the spot plane tickets later and they're totally OK
• 33:11
  with that price because I know that shit's going to be
• 33:13
  expensive. Yeah, we see his clock flicker
• 33:16
  at one point from 1:00 to 180, which we know now.
• 33:21
  Power of hindsight. 180 is the magic number in like a bad way.
• 33:25
  Throughout the entire series. So we get to the airport, we get
• 33:29
  our first Carter, you Dick Carter pushing past Billy.
• 33:32
  There is a person we're like doing some religious
• 33:36
  solicitation to Alex and Miss Luton blocks him.
• 33:41
  And she's like, leave my students alone.
• 33:44
  So she didn't always hate Alex. Right over the Pennsylvania.
• 33:46
  They're also like, no soliciting.
• 33:48
  Yeah, he's like death is not the end.
• 33:50
  So the woman at the boarding gate makes a weird joke cuz
• 33:55
  she's like same and he was like what?
• 33:59
  And she goes 925 your birthday? That's your departure time.
• 34:02
  I wouldn't have made that connection.
• 34:04
  It's awkward. It is awkward.
• 34:05
  What? That's weird.
• 34:06
  The reason she said that, though, is because their their
• 34:10
  time, like Alex looked at the board and it started like
• 34:12
  flickering around. Their departure time switched to
• 34:16
  810, which 180 different time. Yeah.
• 34:20
  And then that's what made him think like something is wrong
• 34:23
  here. OK, then Todd convinces Alex to
• 34:27
  take a Bubby dump. Yeah.
• 34:29
  One of the funny things about this is like a they were going
• 34:32
  over to the test screening stuff and apparently, like, they're
• 34:35
  like asking what was your favorite part of the movie?
• 34:37
  And somebody said the shitting. And apparently, like, they're
• 34:40
  like, yeah, there's a lot of shitting in this movie.
• 34:41
  Todd shits so much in this movie.
• 34:43
  Listen, Todd has a high fiber diet.
• 34:46
  He doesn't have a bladder infection.
• 34:47
  There's something wrong with that butt.
• 34:49
  Like, bad. OK, so yeah, they're like in the
• 34:54
  stall together, and while they're pooping they hear some
• 34:57
  John Denver. And Alex knows his music
• 35:00
  history. He said he died in a plane
• 35:01
  crash. And it's not a lot of people, us
• 35:08
  included, Associate Dust in the Wind by Kansas.
• 35:12
  It was like the Final Destination song, but this one.
• 35:16
  It's Rocky Mountain High by John Denver.
• 35:18
  And there there's a lyric which they have right there.
• 35:21
  It's seen it rain, fire in the sky.
• 35:23
  So yeah, another whole thing. So they get on the plane and
• 35:28
  they make a dark joke about how there's babies and adults with
• 35:32
  high support needs on the airplane and I take a real
• 35:35
  fucked up God to take him down. I took this as Todd's brother,
• 35:39
  basically agonon death. He's like this guy.
• 35:41
  He's he. He won't do it.
• 35:42
  OK. Fucking do it bro his.
• 35:44
  Name is. George, George.
• 35:45
  Whatever, man. Don't Mario's brother him.
• 35:48
  He deserves it. He needs, OK, he needs that
• 35:51
  treatment himself, because in his own household, Todd is
• 35:53
  probably called George's brother.
• 35:56
  That's what his dad calls. He started going by Todd with 1D
• 35:59
  as like a way to feel special at school.
• 36:01
  Yeah, it's like a rebellious space right there, Yeah.
• 36:05
  They get on, they're sitting down and Blake and Krista are
• 36:08
  trying to do a seat swap with Todd, and he refuses.
• 36:12
  So they go to Alex and I was like, yeah, that's fine.
• 36:15
  And when he gets up there, his tray breaks.
• 36:17
  That's karma for not being a wing man.
• 36:20
  But also you were cool and let the girls sit together so.
• 36:23
  I love this whole thing of like, Ty's like man, you fucked it up.
• 36:25
  Now I got to sit here and watch Stuart Little.
• 36:29
  That movie was good back in the day.
• 36:32
  When you're 1718. Probably not, I don't know.
• 36:36
  As things are going, take off starts and it's a bumpy start
• 36:39
  but everything palms it smooths over and then immediately goes
• 36:44
  to worse. Yeah, it's like bumpy and
• 36:47
  everybody's a little bit nervous and they're like, oh, ha, ha,
• 36:49
  yeah, yeah. And then it starts getting
• 36:51
  really bad. The masks are deployed, lights
• 36:55
  are flickering. I love the shot of Hitchcock's
• 36:58
  Whoppers on the ground because that dude was stuff in his face
• 37:00
  with Whoppers call. Him, Billy.
• 37:03
  I Billy. OK.
• 37:04
  Yeah, Billy. His name is Billy, why are you
• 37:06
  last naming him? I don't know.
• 37:08
  Hitchcock's cool. You're being a Dick.
• 37:11
  A Curry Dick. OK, yeah, shit goes bad.
• 37:14
  Yeah, and like you said, like just the whoppers are nice, a
• 37:17
  little touch of showing how like.
• 37:18
  It's all and you're moving back and forth.
• 37:20
  Yeah. And man, a lot happens, but
• 37:24
  essentially, like pieces of the plane are tearing off and it's
• 37:28
  pulling seats out. There's a fire that's happening.
• 37:33
  Everybody dies. Yeah.
• 37:36
  And then Alex is back in a seat. He's back in the back row with
• 37:42
  Blake and Krista, asking to swap seats.
• 37:44
  And he does it without saying anything.
• 37:45
  He just looks sweaty and weird. And they're going, oh, that's
• 37:47
  weird. And he gets up there.
• 37:49
  His seat's broken. Todd doesn't understand why he's
• 37:51
  upset. And then he starts saying, like,
• 37:52
  hey, this plane's going to go down.
• 37:54
  We've got to get everybody off the plane.
• 37:56
  They're like, Sir, you don't joke about that.
• 38:00
  Yeah, so Carter gets really rationally upset about the whole
• 38:04
  thing and decides to start fighting him about.
• 38:06
  It. And this causes the pilot to
• 38:08
  kick them off and anybody else that's in their vicinity, which
• 38:12
  happens to be Billy, it includes Billy.
• 38:14
  Who's just like, was caught in the wrong place because he's
• 38:17
  trying to get his bag put up. Yeah, George tells Todd to go
• 38:21
  check on him, so he gets off the plane too.
• 38:23
  And I have. A question about George and
• 38:25
  Todd. Yeah, because this is a senior
• 38:27
  trip. I was wondering the same thing.
• 38:29
  If you're thinking I guess he's supposed to be an older brother
• 38:31
  right? You would think.
• 38:32
  I always got that impression. Held back.
• 38:35
  Was he held back? But then why is he still the
• 38:37
  golden sun? I know we made that decision
• 38:40
  ourselves, but. Because obviously, Jesse, it was
• 38:43
  Todd's fault. Yeah.
• 38:45
  George would have succeeded if it weren't for that pesky Todd,
• 38:48
  George's brother. Yeah, George's brother kind of
• 38:51
  ruined everything. Or maybe George's brother is
• 38:53
  smarter than George and he skipped a headache grade to try
• 38:56
  and like get George's parents attention.
• 38:58
  Yeah, this is George's poise. Like, you know what?
• 39:01
  I'm gonna get tied out of the picture for sure this time.
• 39:04
  Go check on him. Oh and also Queer gets off
• 39:07
  because she's getting some bad vibes.
• 39:08
  Too. Yeah, she had one of those
• 39:10
  moments where you just listen to your gut.
• 39:12
  And she was right. Yeah.
• 39:13
  So once they're off, the pilot is like, yeah, you guys can't
• 39:17
  come on and Miss Gluten's like we got to have at least one
• 39:20
  teacher on there. Both of the teachers were kicked
• 39:22
  off. But here's The thing is that we
• 39:23
  hear later on the news that there are 4 Yes.
• 39:30
  Yeah, I don't really. I don't know.
• 39:32
  Yeah, there's some inconsistencies here.
• 39:34
  Yeah, that was just, it's a little and it's one of those
• 39:37
  things I never noticed before until I was taking notes and I
• 39:39
  was like. That right there, yeah, I had
• 39:42
  noticed until you just mentioned that.
• 39:43
  So they did let Mr. Murno back on and they were going to follow
• 39:48
  on a later flight, like you said, just casually able to drop
• 39:52
  several thousands, assuming no issues with the parents on that.
• 39:57
  Actually, I'm kind of shocked that they would be allowed to
• 39:59
  get on a later plane at all. I know, yeah, whatever.
• 40:03
  Maybe they'll sort it out, but not really because Carter and
• 40:08
  Alex are fighting again. And then he says a real Dick
• 40:12
  hole thing to say, but also very in keeping with a 17 year old.
• 40:17
  He's like, I wish you were on that plane, and then you know
• 40:19
  what happens. Kaboom, it's bad.
• 40:22
  Big time. So the group is just sitting
• 40:24
  there in a stunned silence. Everybody is kind of giving Alex
• 40:28
  a side eye. Staring at him.
• 40:29
  And then we get FBI agents Wean and Shrek and I gotta ask people
• 40:33
  questions. They do not believe Alex, which
• 40:37
  is true. Like if I was sitting there I
• 40:39
  would think Alex was pretty suss.
• 40:42
  Yeah, I guess maybe I wouldn't. If I were the other people there
• 40:44
  I'd be like thanks bro, like you saved my life.
• 40:47
  No, they're all they have taken their survival survivors guilt
• 40:52
  and pinned it all on Alex. Yeah, Oh yeah.
• 40:55
  Everybody, all the family comes to pick everybody up and except
• 40:58
  for Claire. Claire doesn't have anybody.
• 41:00
  It's. So sad.
• 41:01
  I've got a question about her too.
• 41:03
  OK, so we later see she's at her house.
• 41:06
  She has no family, how the fuck does she keep that house
• 41:11
  running? I think it's her mom and stepdad
• 41:15
  mostly just ignore her and live their lives as though she's not
• 41:19
  there. I don't think she's really
• 41:20
  keeping the house running. I think she's just like doing
• 41:22
  her own thing and being out of the stepdad's way.
• 41:25
  OK, I thought that they just fucked off and completely left
• 41:28
  her. No, the the hunting cabin, his
• 41:31
  dad, her dad's cabin in the woods.
• 41:33
  I'm assuming that's more of a situation where she is going
• 41:35
  there and like just, you know, doing casual maintenance with
• 41:38
  it. Yeah, OK.
• 41:39
  She probably, you know, had spent enough time there with him
• 41:42
  growing up that she knew the basic things that needed to be
• 41:45
  done. OK, that makes sense.
• 41:47
  Gotcha. Alex's parents are kind enough
• 41:48
  to drop clear off. Yeah, yeah, that was nice.
• 41:51
  Alex is watching the news, and here's that all 287 passengers
• 41:55
  are presumed dead. The the details about the
• 41:59
  premonition are not known. They're just kind of like there
• 42:02
  was a commotion, a fight happened.
• 42:04
  Some students go off the plane. Yeah, and they're keeping tied
• 42:08
  with about everything. So 39 days later, we're at the
• 42:11
  funeral. They planned it I.
• 42:13
  Don't think it's a funeral, I think it's a memorial.
• 42:15
  Oh, Memorial. Yeah, you're right.
• 42:16
  OK, I'm I'm so used to these movies having funerals in them.
• 42:19
  Yes, this is more of like a memorial that the school was
• 42:22
  doing because it's, you know, big community tragedy.
• 42:24
  They wanted to honor the people they lost. 39 days for 39
• 42:27
  students. Yeah, they yeah, OK.
• 42:30
  And Carter and Alex, they get into another argument.
• 42:35
  Yeah, like Carter was kind of picking the fight with him, I
• 42:38
  feel like. Yeah, he does it every single
• 42:40
  time. Like Alex is not asking for this
• 42:41
  shit. Carter's just a fucking Dick.
• 42:43
  And then Billy comes up and he's like, hey, am I supposed to die
• 42:46
  young? And Alex is just like, Billy,
• 42:49
  you're stupid. And then he tries to go talk to
• 42:51
  Miss Luton, who's like, get away from me.
• 42:53
  You scare the hell out of me. She's like, you're graduating.
• 42:56
  We're out of each other's lives. I don't want anything to do with
• 42:58
  you. Still pretty cold, man.
• 43:00
  It is pretty cold that she flipped that switch immediately.
• 43:04
  Yeah, she did. Todd goes up next to him too,
• 43:07
  and he's like, hey man, sorry, my daddy's kind of.
• 43:09
  Hey, sorry Georges Dad. So we can play together.
• 43:15
  Yeah, yeah, this right here. I feel so bad for both of them.
• 43:19
  I know it's just, it's really sad all around and I feel sad
• 43:23
  for George's dad also like his parents.
• 43:27
  And I mean that George Todd is dealing with a lot of guilt with
• 43:30
  it all too. And in all seriousness, their
• 43:34
  family is in a real crisis mode and it's got to be awful.
• 43:39
  And his parents probably aren't handling it super well, but
• 43:42
  they're just, they're in those immediate throes of grief where
• 43:46
  you don't always do rational things.
• 43:48
  Yeah, but they decide like, hey, once all this shit was over,
• 43:52
  we'll go into town, catch the Yankees, we'll go to some
• 43:55
  baseball. Does that change your opinion of
• 43:58
  Todd as a character? Yeah, don't like them, OK.
• 44:07
  That night, Todd is in the bathroom, and you know what?
• 44:10
  Got to take a poop. He had, but first he was
• 44:13
  tempting fate anyway because he was dry shaving his face.
• 44:17
  He was, well, he's a Wahlberg situation going on here.
• 44:22
  Yeah, except at least Donnie had.
• 44:24
  The electric one. Yeah, you don't have as much of
• 44:27
  an issue with like nicking yourself or causing ingrown
• 44:30
  hairs with an electric. One that's true.
• 44:32
  Yeah, you're right. Yep.
• 44:34
  Well, he's taking a poop and we see death to let his plan unfold
• 44:38
  here. Yeah, I appreciate that the
• 44:40
  toilet is taking a part in his death because it's so important
• 44:44
  to who Gorgeous Brother is as a person.
• 44:47
  Yeah. Alex, meanwhile, in his own
• 44:51
  room, is being spooked by an owl who, just, like, is peeping in
• 44:56
  on him. That's a pretty owl.
• 44:58
  Dude that was that owl was sent by death.
• 45:01
  That owl was like hoot hoot. And his reaction is to take this
• 45:06
  like he's got like a, he keeps going back and forth between a
• 45:09
  Hustler magazine and like, the thing about like the newspaper
• 45:13
  quipping about the death. Sad horny, sad horny.
• 45:16
  Which one am I? And then he throws the magazine
• 45:19
  at the Owl and he must have an industrial fucking fan because
• 45:24
  it rips that magazine up in a way I've never seen a box or
• 45:29
  oscillating household fan do. Yeah, that should.
• 45:32
  That was going to kill him eventually.
• 45:34
  Yes, if if we hadn't seen the magazine get ripped up like
• 45:37
  that, it's a sure thing that his face would have gotten ripped up
• 45:40
  by that. But it tears up the clip of it
• 45:43
  was saying today and it switched to Todd.
• 45:46
  Is that the whole reason it's got his name is Todd?
• 45:49
  TO single D code. Yep, that's it's got to be the
• 45:52
  only reason. That way they can throw that
• 45:54
  little, that little wink and a nod in there.
• 45:57
  Yeah, it's, it's got to be something like that.
• 45:59
  So we now see over. That would have been if he was A
• 46:03
  to double D and then Alex got this little slip that just said
• 46:07
  Ted. That could have been one of more
• 46:10
  of those like am I getting? Ambiguous.
• 46:14
  It didn't spell his name. Right.
• 46:15
  Yeah, You know, you're right. Yeah.
• 46:17
  Which is kind of on par for a while.
• 46:18
  This stuff happens in this series.
• 46:20
  There was something on Reddit, I forget, somebody was trying to
• 46:23
  come up with what Todd was short for, and it was just a really
• 46:27
  funny list of possible names. Todd is just Todd.
• 46:30
  Why can't names be short? Because what sociopath names
• 46:36
  their least favorite son? 3 letters that don't form a real
• 46:41
  name. This family was like somebody
• 46:43
  said you can't make a name shorter than Todd and that
• 46:45
  family said you want to bet they like remove the D they shaved
• 46:49
  off AD and. They wanted him to have half as
• 46:51
  many letters in his name as his brother George.
• 46:54
  Oh my God. They thought you were half as
• 46:57
  good as your brother, and you won't forget it.
• 47:00
  You'll show us that you deserve the other D Back at the Todd's
• 47:05
  poop chamber, he we see the toilet is leaking water Yeah,
• 47:10
  the faucet and it's starting to move towards it's.
• 47:13
  Not the faucet. It's like the water line
• 47:15
  connecting. But there's like a little like
• 47:16
  spigot thing over there. It's not a.
• 47:18
  Faucet. Whatever.
• 47:19
  You fucking know what I'm talking about, Homeowner.
• 47:22
  Terribly. I'm not.
• 47:23
  I'm not great at it either way. Water is coming from the toilet,
• 47:28
  moving towards Todd. He starts to get in the shower
• 47:32
  but there is a clothesline hanging up in there which both
• 47:36
  move because the bathroom is a damp place and I would not feel
• 47:40
  like my clothes could ever get fully dry hanging in the
• 47:42
  bathroom. But that's what's they've got
• 47:44
  going on so he starts to take down the clothesline.
• 47:47
  He has stepped into the tub and he slips a bottle of soap falls
• 47:54
  in and it's open so he can't get any traction on it.
• 47:57
  They don't have the little no slip daisies get no slip daisies
• 48:02
  get a bath mat gets something. It helps.
• 48:05
  It's a it's honestly, it's a big deal.
• 48:07
  It is. I I mean, I've been labeled a
• 48:11
  false risk in my life and we keep we keep non slip stuff in
• 48:15
  our bathtub because of it. But yeah, so anyway, he is like,
• 48:20
  he can't stand up. And the laundry line has wrapped
• 48:23
  around his throat very tightly because it's like, like a steel
• 48:28
  line and he can't get it off. And he's trying to reach for his
• 48:33
  nose hair scissors, which I don't think are going to be
• 48:35
  strong enough for that line anyway.
• 48:37
  And his this is really good effects work.
• 48:40
  His eyes are turning red. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:42
  And he just dies, and we see the water retreat back into the
• 48:48
  little. Only time we see something.
• 48:50
  Like the toilet spigot? Yeah, the only time we see death
• 48:53
  trying to like, clear it. Clean.
• 48:54
  Up its tracks. Yeah.
• 48:56
  Well, it's yeah. Never done again.
• 48:58
  Weird, but I kind of like it. Alex gets to Todd's and he sees
• 49:01
  the corner outside and Clear is also there.
• 49:04
  Yeah, she's just hiding behind a tree.
• 49:06
  Well, she warns him she's like you need to get lost.
• 49:08
  And George's dad comes out and blames Alex for George's death
• 49:13
  and George's brother's death. He's like, you fucking gave him
• 49:16
  so much grief that he had to kill himself, and he's like,
• 49:19
  God, that doesn't make any fucking sense on so many levels.
• 49:22
  But he was talking about going to see the Yankees.
• 49:25
  That didn't make any sense. Alex goes to visit Clear
• 49:28
  sometime later and he's like, why were you there?
• 49:33
  And she points out that the FBI, who are outside of George and
• 49:37
  Todd's house, are typically not involved in a teenager's
• 49:40
  suicide. And she reckons that the cause
• 49:44
  for the plane crash hasn't yet been determined.
• 49:46
  And she is just a she's, she realizes that bigger things are
• 49:51
  moving on here. And she has had the same
• 49:54
  feelings as him. She hasn't seen things the way
• 49:56
  he saw him, but she's felt them. And when he was freaking out,
• 50:00
  she trusted him because she knew those feelings.
• 50:03
  Yeah. So like, what are they saying
• 50:04
  that she has kind of the same gift but it's just not to the
• 50:07
  same extent? Yeah, like she's more in touch
• 50:11
  with that kind of OK power. Clairvoyant, whatever.
• 50:16
  Clairvoyant. Clairvoyant.
• 50:18
  And he he says that he feels Todd or he feels dead, which
• 50:24
  Todd is dead now. So it could be Todd, It could be
• 50:27
  George's brother. Also, I'm sorry, can we speak
• 50:30
  about like when he shows up there and he sees what she's
• 50:33
  making and he's like, what is it?
• 50:34
  It's like, this is you. It's just like a fucking BLOB of
• 50:37
  a medal. It's like, I mean, this is what
• 50:38
  you make me feel. Yeah, it's a it's.
• 50:42
  She's like, she's giving him hints like you make me feel.
• 50:45
  Yeah. So here's some medal that
• 50:47
  expresses my feel. Yeah, the head is on the spring.
• 50:50
  Hello. Yeah, she also gave him a rose
• 50:53
  at the memorial. Yeah, thanked him for saving her
• 50:55
  life. So they decide they're going to
• 50:58
  break into the Funeral Home and they see him and he's dead.
• 51:02
  Except then he twitches and then Bloodworth appears.
• 51:05
  He's like, oh, that just happens, that's the thing.
• 51:08
  And then he just continues to speak in riddles.
• 51:12
  This feels like it would be a very frustrating cutscene in a
• 51:14
  video game. Yeah.
• 51:15
  Where you're like, I don't know what to do with this
• 51:18
  information. OTO Double D over here.
• 51:23
  Tony Todd. OK thank you.
• 51:25
  I was like wait wait OK I'm sorry that I made you have to
• 51:29
  explain the jokes. That's OK cuz I know that
• 51:31
  sometimes takes a fun job, but maybe people listening will
• 51:33
  appreciate that you I'm. Sure they did.
• 51:34
  Yeah, that's OK, all right. And yeah, he says the opening
• 51:38
  line that you said before. In death, there are no
• 51:40
  accidents, coincidences, no mistakes.
• 51:42
  Yes. So basically they cheated death
• 51:46
  out of its death count and it's not happy about it.
• 51:51
  So Alex tells Clear that they need to be open to signs and she
• 51:58
  I wrote the note she would hate the Long Island Medium because
• 52:00
  she was like, you can turn everything into a sign if you
• 52:03
  try to. That is so true.
• 52:05
  And I love that. Like I would love to see her in
• 52:07
  the audience at one of those shows and feel like, no, listen,
• 52:11
  what you did was just a cold read on this person.
• 52:13
  I'm I think we talked about this quite a bit on late night with
• 52:16
  the devil. It's a similar kind of thing.
• 52:19
  She was like, you could drive yourself crazy looking for those
• 52:21
  types of signs. And then I wish Alex had been
• 52:24
  like, no, you don't understand. A piece of and magazine with the
• 52:28
  name Todd just flew at me after an owl jump scared me.
• 52:32
  Yeah, I mean, he's got a point. Here, Yeah.
• 52:35
  I I That's a pretty crazy coincidence right there.
• 52:37
  But he said Death was cheated and they could still be on
• 52:40
  Death's list. So they just need to keep an eye
• 52:41
  out. And by keeping an eye out, we
• 52:44
  need to watch by watch Carter driving by almost hitting Billy
• 52:48
  on his bike. And then.
• 52:51
  Right before that, he also saw a vision of a bus in the
• 52:54
  reflection of the window and they turned around and there's
• 52:56
  no bus there. So they they cut it.
• 53:00
  Carter cuts a dangerous UE almost his Billy on his bike,
• 53:03
  and then he starts up fighting with Alex.
• 53:05
  Miss Luton is also there because apparently this is the smallest
• 53:08
  fucking town on in New York. Yeah, in New York.
• 53:12
  And he's like, oh, look at this. Look at this reunion.
• 53:15
  Miss Luton's got to move out of the town she's lived in her
• 53:17
  whole life because of you, Alex. And Alex is like, oh, you mean
• 53:20
  the fact that she's still alive? You're welcome.
• 53:24
  And Terry Carter's girlfriend is so over this.
• 53:28
  He's like, she's like, listen, if you're just going to fight
• 53:31
  with him every time you see him for the rest of our lives, I
• 53:33
  went out. As far as I'm concerned, you can
• 53:35
  drop dead. And then she gets Regina
• 53:38
  Georged, except she doesn't survive.
• 53:40
  I OK many moments in this movie traumatized me as a child.
• 53:44
  That was one of them. I walked in there with my dad
• 53:46
  watching this and I saw that scene in that fucking shock.
• 53:48
  I thought it was the railroad scene.
• 53:50
  OK. He watched it many times.
• 53:54
  I think it was on the DIRECTV thing, so it would constantly
• 53:58
  play, so he would TuneIn every now and then.
• 54:00
  So that was the first one that got me.
• 54:01
  But I think that I saw the Billy one first.
• 54:04
  That was one of the defining moments of me becoming a horror
• 54:08
  fan right there. Alex is refusing to talk to
• 54:13
  Clear. She's called multiple times.
• 54:15
  I think that Alex's dog kind of ships them and he's wishing that
• 54:19
  Alex would answer the phone, but that's not what's happening.
• 54:22
  He's also, I think he's doing a bad job of covering the phone.
• 54:26
  He's like, let me check, Alex. Like this fucking girl is
• 54:30
  calling again. Do you want to talk to her?
• 54:31
  No, no. OK.
• 54:33
  Hey, he's in the shower. Because he wants them to be
• 54:39
  together. He wants and he's like clear,
• 54:41
  clear roll call him on his. She's like, man, she is coming
• 54:43
  on strong. He sees a news report talking
• 54:47
  about their suspected reasoning of the cause of the explosion.
• 54:52
  Basically there was like a line that burst into flames and
• 54:56
  caused like a series of micro explosions and he realized that
• 54:59
  it matched the the seating where they were.
• 55:01
  So he pulls out the flight manifest and starts making like
• 55:04
  little notes that match the line of the explosion.
• 55:07
  And he realizes that it's happening in the order that they
• 55:10
  would have died on the plane. Which means he realizes that
• 55:13
  Miss Luton is next. Miss Luton is having a hell of a
• 55:18
  time. She Everywhere she goes she is
• 55:21
  reminded of everybody she knows and has taught she's.
• 55:25
  Definitely the most stricken of the entire people here, which
• 55:28
  I'm glad that they showed that perspective of a character.
• 55:31
  Yes, because it and it's not that kids aren't feeling grief,
• 55:37
  they're just experiencing it in a different way because they
• 55:39
  have different life experiences by that point.
• 55:42
  And I think it is like a true testament to the writing of this
• 55:45
  that Miss Luton is having this reaction to it compared to all
• 55:48
  of the like, everybody's reactions in this movie feel so
• 55:52
  real. Yeah, they did a really good job
• 55:53
  of capturing everything and making it feel grounded.
• 55:56
  Yeah, despite everything that's happening in this movie.
• 55:59
  Yeah. She's talking on the phone with
• 56:00
  somebody, and she's like, she's feeling really bad about sending
• 56:03
  the other teacher on. And then she looks outside her
• 56:05
  window and she sees Alex just out there just kind of creeping
• 56:08
  in her front yard. She's like, I got to call you
• 56:10
  back. She calls, she calls the FBI
• 56:14
  agents and they pull up and they see him and he's checking her
• 56:16
  tires is not what it looks like it.
• 56:19
  Looks so suspicious and he's like, I'm just checking the
• 56:22
  tires but man, it looks like you're trying to sabotage you,
• 56:25
  like playing a bomb or something.
• 56:26
  He does, so they take him in for questioning, naturally, and Miss
• 56:31
  Luton, meanwhile, decides she's going to put on a kettle.
• 56:34
  As she's like, doing stuff, she tosses A rag onto a knife block.
• 56:37
  Don't do shit like that. Not as big basic home safety one
• 56:41
  O 1. You don't do that the same way
• 56:43
  that you wouldn't put like a pan on the stove with the handle
• 56:45
  facing out. Now I understand that you have
• 56:47
  done that. You will do that.
• 56:48
  You probably are going to continue to.
• 56:50
  Do all of these things. And I always try and correct you
• 56:53
  when I see it. If if death comes for you and
• 56:57
  I'm not home, it's I did my best.
• 57:00
  But there is one thing that I'm very good at, the hot and the
• 57:03
  cold. She did not know that one.
• 57:05
  I know that one I. Don't You've witnessed A Pyrex
• 57:08
  dish explode in front of your eyes.
• 57:10
  We almost got Final Destination that night.
• 57:12
  A fucking thing of macaroni got turned into a fucking grenade.
• 57:16
  Yeah. Shrapnel just went flying
• 57:18
  everywhere. We're at somebody's house.
• 57:21
  Glass and cheese and noodles and blood just it was a disaster,
• 57:25
  so. Nice cracks and then she sets
• 57:30
  the we haven't. Gone to that part yet?
• 57:32
  Oh, no. OK.
• 57:33
  It's starting to pour her tea, but she.
• 57:37
  She gets scared of her mug. Yeah, because it's, it's their
• 57:41
  high school. And she tosses the water out and
• 57:44
  she goes, well, that's stupid. And then she goes, you know
• 57:46
  what? I'm an adult.
• 57:47
  And she puts some vodka in it. But the rapid temperature change
• 57:51
  cracks the mug, and she is going around looking through her
• 57:55
  house. She finds the John Denver album
• 57:57
  as her mom's favorite, so she puts it on.
• 58:00
  She is standing over her computer.
• 58:02
  Just which, even if the mug wasn't leaking, I wouldn't be
• 58:05
  holding. No, not with any liquid over my
• 58:07
  computer. Yeah, obviously it drips inside
• 58:10
  the computer, goes all into the circuits and starts shorting
• 58:13
  everything and we get a fire started.
• 58:15
  Yep, it it explodes. A piece of glass goes into her
• 58:19
  throat and cuts her. She's not handling that well,
• 58:23
  because who would? And so she crawls into the
• 58:26
  kitchen and she reaches up to grab the grab the rag.
• 58:31
  And This is why it's a bad idea, also a bad idea to have your
• 58:34
  knife block that close to the edge of the counter.
• 58:37
  And so she pulls it. Knife falls right into her
• 58:39
  tummy. At this point, Alex has managed
• 58:41
  to already get through all of his questioning with the FBI,
• 58:44
  but I guess they realized they didn't have cause to hold a
• 58:46
  minor. And so he gets there.
• 58:49
  He's like, oh fuck, I'll help you.
• 58:51
  And he's like reaching down to grab the knife and then a chair
• 58:54
  falls and pushes it in farther. It is fire and smoke all around.
• 59:01
  He tries to help her, he gets the knife out of her.
• 59:03
  By that point it's too late. And also.
• 59:05
  Stepping in the blood, guys, yeah.
• 59:06
  Shoe prints all over the place. It's just fucking he's.
• 59:09
  Fully incriminated himself, and then he realizes the house is
• 59:12
  about to explode, so he runs out.
• 59:14
  And as he runs out, Billy's there because why wouldn't he?
• 59:17
  Small town? Yeah, on his bike again, because
• 59:20
  he's too scared to drive the fucking car.
• 59:23
  Yep, and by doing so he comes across an explosion.
• 59:26
  Yep. Boom, whole house explodes.
• 59:29
  So the agents some unspecified time later asked Clear to
• 59:34
  contact them if she talked to Alex Carter, almost his Billy on
• 59:40
  his way to the memorial and he starts carving in Terry's name
• 59:45
  saying that she deserves to be on this memorial too.
• 59:47
  She died after the events, but it's still Alex's fault.
• 59:50
  In his mind, this is a People murdered by Alex Browning
• 59:54
  Memorial. That's how the whole town feels
• 59:56
  about it, Yeah, but they're all going to meet up with Alex
• 59:58
  because Queer's like, he's got the answers.
• 1:00:01
  He's going to know exactly like who is going to be dying.
• 1:00:04
  And she tells Carter he has to be the one to take her to him
• 1:00:06
  because she's being followed by the feds and she doesn't want
• 1:00:09
  him to get arrested. So they go to State Park and
• 1:00:11
  they split up to search. She ends up finding Alex and
• 1:00:16
  tells the story about her dad being murdered at a 711 and that
• 1:00:20
  her mom just basically disowned her because of the man she
• 1:00:23
  married didn't want kids. So she's just kind of been on
• 1:00:26
  her own. And she's like, And if that was
• 1:00:28
  death's grand plan for my family, then fuck death.
• 1:00:31
  Good to ask you. Yeah, yeah, fuck it.
• 1:00:33
  So they're all in the car, Queer offers.
• 1:00:35
  Let him stay at her dad's cabin in the woods.
• 1:00:38
  And then they ask who's next? Because by this point they've
• 1:00:41
  been filled in on the theory and considering everybody has died
• 1:00:45
  in that order, it makes sense. And he's not saying.
• 1:00:47
  And then Carter's like, it's me, isn't it?
• 1:00:49
  And Billy goes, no, obviously it's me.
• 1:00:51
  And Carter's like, he would say it if it was you.
• 1:00:53
  He's not saying it because I'm driving and also like to punch
• 1:00:57
  him. So it's definitely me.
• 1:00:59
  So he starts driving really erratically and as is stopping
• 1:01:02
  on the railroad tracks just as the arms are lowering.
• 1:01:07
  They all get out except for Carter.
• 1:01:10
  Because they're like, I don't I've I've seen trauma life in
• 1:01:14
  the ERI know what happens if people get hit by a train.
• 1:01:17
  It's not pretty. I actually did watch an episode
• 1:01:20
  like that and this dude's hand was like mangled because he was
• 1:01:23
  like jumping tracks and fell and like his hand got run over by
• 1:01:27
  the train. It was really gross.
• 1:01:28
  I thought you were about to say you saw it happen in person
• 1:01:30
  because like after the last episode where you revealed you
• 1:01:33
  saw somebody get ran over, like I'm going to expect the worst
• 1:01:36
  now. Especially because I used to
• 1:01:38
  live near real world tracks. I did too.
• 1:01:41
  I was like, not even like, I could fucking like, see it from
• 1:01:43
  my house. OK, So yeah, he doesn't want to
• 1:01:47
  get out. But then eventually Alex
• 1:01:49
  convinces him he's like, all right, it's not my time.
• 1:01:51
  Yeah, but also he feels like he's trying to prove life.
• 1:01:53
  He's like, seat, not my time. And then he can't get out.
• 1:01:57
  The seat belt is stuck. And Alex sees in his head, he
• 1:02:01
  sees that the seat belt is going to break.
• 1:02:04
  So he manages to get in there and pulls Carter out.
• 1:02:07
  They get out just in time before the train hits the car, and
• 1:02:12
  they're all arguing by the side of the tracks.
• 1:02:15
  As this is happening, Billy is very freaked out.
• 1:02:18
  Carter's like, Oh my God, you saved my life.
• 1:02:19
  And Billy's like, well, what happens now?
• 1:02:22
  Well, what happens now is that Carter had an intervention and
• 1:02:26
  now it's Billye turn and he gets beheaded by some shrapnel.
• 1:02:29
  Death was like really like okay, well shit, I might as well go
• 1:02:33
  ahead and get this guy now. He was so ready.
• 1:02:36
  He planted that seed already for Billy before he even had a
• 1:02:40
  chance to get Carter IF. Anybody was.
• 1:02:42
  He's gonna have a quick and painless death in this
• 1:02:44
  franchise. I'm really glad it was Billy
• 1:02:45
  Hitchcock. I am too, but again, super
• 1:02:48
  fucking scary. That one terrified the shit on
• 1:02:50
  me as a kid. That one actually traumatized me
• 1:02:52
  as a child. This.
• 1:02:53
  Is my thing with this, with this series, if I was going to be
• 1:02:57
  caught in a death trap, I want it to be a quick one.
• 1:03:01
  Yeah, for sure. I want it like that.
• 1:03:02
  I don't want to miss Luton or a George's brother.
• 1:03:05
  I want. Yeah, boom.
• 1:03:07
  Or a time. Oh, yeah, sorry, you're talking
• 1:03:10
  about that. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:03:13
  No, I am 100% in agreement. Also Terry.
• 1:03:17
  You know Terry, Yeah. OK, fuck it.
• 1:03:19
  I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm with you in agreement
• 1:03:21
  there, all right. So now Alex is at the cabin and
• 1:03:27
  he is safety proofing everything.
• 1:03:30
  He's tense and nervous and he can't relax and he's like
• 1:03:35
  putting duct tape on random things.
• 1:03:37
  And he, you know, when we watched Bloodlines and she was
• 1:03:40
  like, I saw you come in and I was like, have we seen somebody
• 1:03:43
  talk to death like that before? No, it all started with Alex.
• 1:03:46
  It all started with Devin Sawa. And I feel like that was a
• 1:03:49
  devinism. Like he was like he almost got
• 1:03:52
  me. I love his delivery.
• 1:03:53
  That's like but you didn't you fuck.
• 1:03:55
  He was just like, damn, tell him.
• 1:03:58
  Death, you Dick. Yeah, but it's also like, was it
• 1:04:02
  actually going to go for the long game?
• 1:04:04
  He's like, he he saw the hook. He's like tetanus.
• 1:04:06
  It's rusted. Isn't that how you're going to
• 1:04:07
  get me? No, I think it was going to be a
• 1:04:08
  little bit more like complex than that.
• 1:04:10
  Man, I would Death doesn't play the long game.
• 1:04:13
  Sometimes death does. Sometimes it does, but not in
• 1:04:15
  this instance. If you cheat death, it does not
• 1:04:17
  do the. Longing.
• 1:04:18
  Yeah. I don't think it's gonna, like,
• 1:04:20
  try and give him tetanus in this instance.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah. Clear is looking at a photo of
• 1:04:25
  her and her dad at the cabin. And the feds are outside
• 1:04:29
  watching her. And she just, she goes up to
• 1:04:30
  them. She's like, listen, I'm not
• 1:04:32
  gonna turn them in, but Alex can't be alone out in the cabin.
• 1:04:36
  I'm very concerned about him. And they're like, OK, well,
• 1:04:40
  we're gonna go talk to him. And she's like, I'm gonna go to
• 1:04:42
  you. And they're like, no.
• 1:04:46
  So yeah, they go to him. And he's in the cabin, and he
• 1:04:50
  realized that he never actually ended up moving in the plane
• 1:04:53
  because everything happened so quickly.
• 1:04:55
  And that throws off the rotation.
• 1:04:59
  Yeah. So he, it's not him that's next.
• 1:05:01
  It's. Clear.
• 1:05:02
  So he climbs into a canoe just as the feds are arriving, and he
• 1:05:07
  manages to pedal across the lake.
• 1:05:09
  You know, you brought up Detective Donnie earlier, and we
• 1:05:13
  had a moment like this in dead silence as well.
• 1:05:15
  Oh, yeah. This is a weird the weird
• 1:05:17
  crossover. Canada.
• 1:05:19
  This is filmed in Canada. I thought you're gonna say this
• 1:05:22
  is Canon. Maybe all Canadian movies are
• 1:05:25
  just in the same universe. So they're it's Canada.
• 1:05:30
  Canada, Yeah. OK.
• 1:05:32
  I like that cannon. All right, so while all that's
• 1:05:37
  happening at Queer's Place, there's some storm going.
• 1:05:40
  On Yeah, there's like a windstorm happening and her dog
• 1:05:44
  is outside. His name is Prince and he is
• 1:05:47
  chained up and their laundry umbrella.
• 1:05:54
  People in this movie dry their clothes in very inventive ways.
• 1:05:59
  And I'm not saying that like hang drying clothes is
• 1:06:01
  inventive. I mean the ways they're doing
• 1:06:02
  it. She's a child, she doesn't know
• 1:06:04
  what she's doing. She probably welded this
• 1:06:07
  umbrella together. She probably did.
• 1:06:08
  You're right. Anyway, it has knocked down a
• 1:06:11
  line so there's a live wire on the yard.
• 1:06:13
  So she goes out to get Prince unhooked and then the above
• 1:06:17
  ground swimming pool gets punctured.
• 1:06:19
  So now the ground is basically, Yep, full of electricity.
• 1:06:23
  So she's on the lattice up the side of her house and she
• 1:06:28
  manages to get inside, but because the wire is still
• 1:06:31
  jumping around, now there's like electrical fires in her house.
• 1:06:35
  Everything is exploding inside her house.
• 1:06:37
  It's fucking crazy. She gets to her car in the
• 1:06:39
  garage, but it also gets zapped by the electricity.
• 1:06:43
  And Alex comes up and he is, he's got a shovel and he's going
• 1:06:48
  to use it to fight electricity because that's what you do.
• 1:06:51
  And he's like, listen, then it it needs to skip you to cheat
• 1:06:56
  death. And she was like, what, no,
• 1:06:58
  don't do that. And she starts to get out, but
• 1:07:00
  he's thrown back by the wire. And then the feds see that he's
• 1:07:04
  been electrocuted and they start resuscitation efforts.
• 1:07:07
  So this is where he died in the original version, which they
• 1:07:10
  shot it all and everything, and he just like grabs on to the
• 1:07:13
  wire and he just like lights on fire.
• 1:07:17
  He doesn't go flying back or anything.
• 1:07:18
  He just like combusts. Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Then he falls to the ground and he's just like in flames.
• 1:07:22
  He just guys like that there after all that.
• 1:07:25
  Six months later. Six months later, they are on a
• 1:07:27
  plane, but they're exiting the plane.
• 1:07:29
  They arrived in France this time.
• 1:07:32
  Alex, Claire and Carter are all together.
• 1:07:34
  They are shocked that they're all together.
• 1:07:36
  I feel like Carter third wheeled.
• 1:07:39
  He totally did. Yeah, like.
• 1:07:41
  He's like, I never thought we would get along this well.
• 1:07:44
  I he definitely he definitely will then like they're.
• 1:07:48
  Like oh man we only got 1 hotel room and he's like it's OK I'm
• 1:07:53
  sure that room has a couch I'll sleep on it and it's fine.
• 1:07:58
  And as they're there, Alex is like, there's just one little
• 1:08:02
  thing that's off about everything.
• 1:08:03
  And they're all groaning. I feel like Alex maybe does this
• 1:08:07
  once every week or two and they're just like pretty so many
• 1:08:11
  times and he's like, but nobody ever intervened with him.
• 1:08:16
  But also that's not true because the FBI, they resuscitated him.
• 1:08:20
  That's true. They did, yeah.
• 1:08:21
  I mean, like technically he may have died at that point, like
• 1:08:26
  like one of the things in the next.
• 1:08:27
  Movie, but that's the thing. But this is also, man, that's
• 1:08:30
  going to get so messy as we go through this franchise.
• 1:08:34
  Yeah, but either way, it wasn't a true intervention in his
• 1:08:39
  death. So he starts seeing signs, and
• 1:08:43
  he's getting paranoid. He's like, I'm going to go back
• 1:08:44
  to the hotel and Clara's like, hold on, I'll come with you.
• 1:08:47
  And then he's almost hit by a bus.
• 1:08:49
  Carter saves him. He's seen what happens when
• 1:08:51
  people are hit by buses. It's not good.
• 1:08:53
  He was like, we just hosted to Terry, like, why are you doing
• 1:08:56
  this? And then a sign.
• 1:08:59
  It turned into 180 after all that, yeah.
• 1:09:02
  It it swings down and hits Carter.
• 1:09:07
  Well, I know it swings down. That's where he like dives and
• 1:09:10
  gets Alex, misses Alex, and then it happens and then he's like,
• 1:09:14
  OK, what next? And then Alex is like, it
• 1:09:19
  skipped me. So it goes to the next person.
• 1:09:21
  Then Carter's like who's next? And.
• 1:09:23
  He's in the background. It's just like.
• 1:09:25
  Swinging back to him, yeah, like a pendulum.
• 1:09:28
  Man, all right, you know what? I'll go ahead and agree.
• 1:09:31
  This should be a 10 out of. Ten OK, cool.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah, I just like it is so fucking strong out the gate
• 1:09:36
  right there. And I think it stands toe to toe
• 1:09:39
  with any one of them in the series here for sure.
• 1:09:41
  I agree. I, I think it's, it's such a
• 1:09:44
  good one and even though like we'll end up having more
• 1:09:47
  questions and maybe discuss some things in an obnoxious amount of
• 1:09:52
  depth later, I think it'll still be like it it it's still set the
• 1:09:59
  standard for the franchise. Yeah, they don't really deviate
• 1:10:02
  too much from it either. They laid the rules down hard
• 1:10:05
  and they all stick with it. It's a solid set of rules.
• 1:10:08
  Yeah, All right. Talia, throughout this movie,
• 1:10:13
  she's pretty restless. I don't know that she was having
• 1:10:19
  a super easy time with this. I think she was.
• 1:10:20
  Kind of stressed. I mean, yeah, I think this movie
• 1:10:22
  definitely plays on the fears of puppy.
• 1:10:24
  You know, she feels like she has to protect us from everything.
• 1:10:26
  And this watches movie. That's true.
• 1:10:27
  Makes her realize how many things we need protected from.
• 1:10:30
  Yeah, she's like this is it's too much.
• 1:10:32
  I can't handle this. Yeah, so she gets a 10.
• 1:10:36
  Maybe we can give her your original score 975.
• 1:10:40
  Yeah, because we didn't get to see more of Prince, and surely
• 1:10:44
  Prince is a big part of the reason why Clear's still alive.
• 1:10:46
  It's like it's just inaccurate. The Prince wouldn't have saved
• 1:10:48
  the day. Yeah, I mean, I don't.
• 1:10:50
  Get it? Yeah, OK.
• 1:10:53
  Zoe's ultimate warrior. Yeah, we can probably do that
• 1:10:55
  again. Let's see.
• 1:10:58
  I mean, we couldn't do it. Oh, we could.
• 1:11:01
  We just can't we. You can't pick death, but you
• 1:11:03
  can't really pick death in these anyways.
• 1:11:05
  No. Yeah, I'm going to say Billy
• 1:11:08
  because of him just like snacking a lot.
• 1:11:13
  Except he like if she was on a plane that was going down and
• 1:11:17
  there's food on the ground, she was suddenly going for the.
• 1:11:19
  Food. I know what it is.
• 1:11:20
  It's Carter because Zoe always picks fights with Scout.
• 1:11:23
  That's true. Scout would probably say Zoe,
• 1:11:25
  you Dick all right if she could act.
• 1:11:27
  That's probably what she meows. Yeah, I believe that.
• 1:11:30
  OK, I like that. I like that.
• 1:11:32
  Carter, you Dick. All right, so we don't do SQL
• 1:11:39
  dream sequels when we talk about a franchise, but we do need to
• 1:11:42
  come up with who we related to. Yeah, OK.
• 1:11:46
  I think I would have been the Billy in this situation here.
• 1:11:51
  In what way? Well, I just like the his whole
• 1:11:54
  attitude towards the thing, like he's freaking out about it and
• 1:11:56
  he just keeps going to Alex. He's like, hey, man, like, like,
• 1:11:58
  what if I ask this girl out, you know, like, what I mean?
• 1:12:01
  Like, just like, I, I would be super uneasy about everything,
• 1:12:05
  but I would also go to the person that saved my life
• 1:12:08
  through some sort of supernatural way for, like,
• 1:12:11
  answers. Yeah.
• 1:12:15
  I think I relate to Alex's dad OK because I would have
• 1:12:24
  encouraged him to keep the luggage tag on my suitcase and I
• 1:12:28
  also would have encouraged him to date clear.
• 1:12:31
  OK, there we go. So.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, now we have to come up with a new tagline.
• 1:12:35
  New tagline. Let's see, yeah.
• 1:12:41
  I got an airport pun. Go for it.
• 1:12:46
  Death is always terminal. Oh my God, Jesse, that is good.
• 1:12:52
  I wrote that down when you were reading the 25 different tag
• 1:12:57
  lines. That is fucking solid.
• 1:12:59
  Thank you. Good job.
• 1:13:01
  All right. All right now.
• 1:13:03
  We do review. Let's do us a negative review on
• 1:13:06
  an IMDb because I knew. That we would love this one.
• 1:13:10
  Obviously, I honestly don't think we're going to do a a
• 1:13:13
  positive review in this part because we love all the movies.
• 1:13:16
  Yeah, we love all of these movies.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah, so let's see here, let's go with right here.
• 1:13:22
  So 1 outs in seriously a bad film.
• 1:13:24
  This was reviewed back in June 1st 2000, so right whenever it
• 1:13:27
  was released. Well.
• 1:13:29
  Not right whenever, but a few months.
• 1:13:30
  After it was in theaters still, I thought the spate of teen base
• 1:13:34
  horror flicks was over. I thought that by the time we
• 1:13:36
  got to I Still Know You've Forgotten some summers ago or
• 1:13:40
  whatever that it was all finally milked for every penny it was
• 1:13:43
  worth. I was wrong.
• 1:13:44
  I can't think of a plot more grotesquely stupid than that of
• 1:13:47
  Final Destination. 5 minutes into it, I predicted every
• 1:13:50
  single frame that was still to come.
• 1:13:52
  Kerr Smith's character irritated beyond comprehension every two
• 1:13:55
  seconds. He started to fight for no
• 1:13:57
  reason and was bullheaded and annoying throughout the whole
• 1:14:01
  film. While some of you may think that
• 1:14:03
  Final Destination is different from the rest of teen horror
• 1:14:06
  flicks out there, it has one very annoying similarity that no
• 1:14:10
  one can deny, and that is actors in the mid late 20s playing
• 1:14:14
  teenagers. It gets me every time I think.
• 1:14:17
  I don't think Devin Sawa was that old then.
• 1:14:20
  I think he was probably right around.
• 1:14:22
  The yeah, he was close to that age, actually.
• 1:14:24
  Yeah, I don't think. I think most of them were maybe
• 1:14:27
  like Sean William Scott was a little bit older but like not
• 1:14:29
  much. I don't know.
• 1:14:30
  Well, I think I just, it's hard to even take that as a valid
• 1:14:34
  complaint about a specific movie because that's just honestly a
• 1:14:37
  Hollywoodism. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:14:39
  And I get saying like, oh, this is another one in a long line of
• 1:14:42
  them, but OK, what's different about this that also makes you
• 1:14:45
  dislike it other than this broad general thing?
• 1:14:48
  I just also think that I I don't necessarily even think of this
• 1:14:52
  as like a teen Scream type of movie.
• 1:14:54
  You know, I think of like the the fact that they're teens
• 1:14:56
  doesn't really, it's not that big of a deal.
• 1:14:59
  Like it kind of is like important to the characters, but
• 1:15:02
  it doesn't go with like the tropes of like things like I
• 1:15:05
  know you did it last summer, like things that we're trying to
• 1:15:07
  deliberately copy Scream. Yeah.
• 1:15:09
  It doesn't feel like that at all.
• 1:15:11
  I mean, only in the fact that they were teens is like the only
• 1:15:14
  similarity I could think of for that.
• 1:15:16
  And yeah, I don't think it should be a knock or anything
• 1:15:18
  like that. OK.
• 1:15:20
  All right, let's do some listener reviews then.
• 1:15:23
  All right, let's do it. OK, so we'll start off over on
• 1:15:27
  Instagram. First off, we have Michael E
• 1:15:30
  Howard, who says such a great movie that started off one of
• 1:15:34
  the most fun franchises. I'm a huge fan of Destination
• 1:15:37
  fan, great cast, good effects. And Tony Todd, 9 out of 10.
• 1:15:40
  All right. Hell yeah.
• 1:15:42
  I I agree, like the cast is so strong, it's hard to it's hard
• 1:15:49
  to like be mad about any of the casting analysis or
• 1:15:52
  performances. Yeah, and the effects are
• 1:15:54
  amazing for this movie right here.
• 1:15:56
  And yeah, Tony Todd, he's so fucking iconic.
• 1:15:58
  I like that he made it into two iconic franchises.
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  Yes, absolutely. And he deserved, he deserved it.
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  He deserves more. It's hard, man.
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  Like, I know people see him as candy man, but like, I also see
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  him a lot as blood worth. Yeah.
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  I mean, that's one of my first thoughts when I think of Tony
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  Todd was Final Destination. OK we have cube saves.
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  Who says death is a petty bitch? Did I say that earlier?
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  Like word for word. I think you did.
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  I feel like I did nice. Yeah, that's good.
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  OK, Half Price Horror says it's such a weird franchise because
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  it's so completely and totally formulaic, but each individual
• 1:16:36
  element in that formula is expressed so creatively.
• 1:16:39
  It's basically just a collection of you won't believe this weird
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  death scene, YouTube clips, but there's all so damn fun.
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  That's actually a really good way to put that.
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  Yeah. I mean, it's kind of formulaic,
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  but like, it plays with it so well that it's not even an
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  issue. It's still super creative.
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  It's one of those things that you have to know the tropes and
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  you have to understand what makes them work to be able to
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  utilize them this way. Yeah for sure and in the final
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  review we have Lord Zombie who says what a start to a great
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  franchise. Really neat idea of the
• 1:17:07
  premonition of Doom. I am glad the later movies
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  dropped the idea of death as a supernatural force and more a
• 1:17:12
  goofy Rube Goldberg trap. Yeah, it definitely does go more
• 1:17:16
  into like the Rube Goldberg type thing later.
• 1:17:18
  On Yeah. Yeah, I like the idea of death
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  being present. I think it's kind of cool still.
• 1:17:23
  I wish that we could have had a mixture of both.
• 1:17:25
  But I am not mad with the direction that they go with it
• 1:17:28
  later on because the Rube Goldberg thing is like it's a
• 1:17:31
  big part of what makes this whole thing fun.
• 1:17:34
  Yeah, I agree. And it it really adds to that
• 1:17:37
  suspense because you're looking at all of these different ways
• 1:17:39
  that something could happen. And that's part of what makes
• 1:17:41
  like what we're talking about at the beginning of this, what
• 1:17:43
  makes this franchise so compelling is because it plays
• 1:17:47
  on your paranoia. Yeah, exactly.
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  OK. And that's it for the reviews.
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  OK, that means it's for the first episode of the Final
• 1:17:54
  Destination coverage. And that means that we're done
• 1:17:57
  with Final Destination, and that means that we gotta talk about
• 1:18:00
  next week's episode. Yeah, we're just snakes on a
• 1:18:02
  plane. Yeah, we.
• 1:18:04
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• 1:18:07
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• 1:18:10
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• 1:18:16
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• 1:18:19
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• 1:18:21
  Do it. It's fun.
• 1:18:22
  Yeah, it's good. Give it a shot.
• 1:18:24
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• 1:18:26
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