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Busting Fitness Fables and Vibing to the Beat with Beefcake Brina · In Moderation

• 0:18
  Speaker 1: OK, then I oh, we're on 26.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Even I'm forgetting what episode we're on now.
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  Speaker 2: See, you got to start with that.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: Rob just forgot what episode number it was.
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  Speaker 2: Not just me, get fucked.
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  Speaker 3: So we're on episode.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: Twenty six and I know?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know that because I just said it.
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: No, that wasn't that, it wasn't that.
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  Speaker 2: So today on the, we have a Special guest is going to introduce her name, because we just went through three minutes of trying to figure out what we're going to say.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to let her introduce her own name so that everybody then knows what to what to say.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead All right?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm beefcake brina, otherwise known as Sabrina, so call me either.
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  Speaker 1: All right, or we can just call you the entire.
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  Speaker 1: You have to say the entire thing, so you can't bring.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise known as Sabrina Cake.
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  Speaker 3: Brina, otherwise known as Sabrina, otherwise known as Brina, otherwise known as.
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  Speaker 2: Beefcake Sabrina Rina Beefcake.
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  Speaker 2: There's something there, we'll figure it out, it's you got to say the entire.
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  Speaker 1: Thing.
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  Speaker 2: OK, ok, sabrina, I'm just going to go with that because I remember the teenage.
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: Who else remembers that show?
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm old, I don't know, but I so my sister's name is Sabrina and she was born on October 31st, so there were a lot of Sabrina, the teenage, witch jokes and bitch jokes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sabrina is not known for being the teenage witch, though Sabrina that we have, she's more for this content.
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe some Halloween stuff, sure, but yeah, why don't you give people like Lula just introduction of, like, what you do, what you're about, that sort of thing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely yeah.
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm essentially your your favorite quote, unquote no bullshit online coach on TikTok, and that's kind of where I primarily reside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a BS in kinesiology and I use my skills of analyzing and breaking down research to essentially debunk misinformation on the Internet, which is very similar to what you all do with your why we don't know anything about that.
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  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: So wait?
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  Speaker 1: wait, wait.
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  Speaker 1: What I heard here is that you're a no BS coach that has a bullshit degree in kinesiology, right?
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  Speaker 3: Funny enough right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that.
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  Speaker 2: That is good.
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  Speaker 2: You need that on a shirt or something.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: I run a shirt.
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  Speaker 2: We'll figure it out as as time goes on.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: Ok, so we need to know then.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: I need to know because we obviously have our Bobby's in the nutrition world.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: Is there a Bobby of the fitness world?
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: Is there someone that's just spewing so much nonsense?
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  Speaker 3: that people like you have their new video.
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: You have to go over it.
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  Speaker 3: You want me to name names, of course.
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what we're all about.
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  Speaker 3: His name is I want what we need here, we need here yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Just a few that I can think of off the top of my head that have been continuously coming back are V Shred and Brittany Don Davis Brittany Don, by the way she dumped her dog and it got discovered a few days ago Her old dog seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was the whole reddit thread on it there's photo evidence and they the pit bull was my friend and dumped yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Brittany Don Davis.
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  Speaker 2: You can do a lot of things and people will forgive you.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: Like you can fuck over humans in like the worst ways and people like other humans they suck.
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: But if you fuck over a dog you will never live it's over, it's like.
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: But this isn't the first time either.
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  Speaker 3: I am she's used animals in the past allegedly through like YouTube and like different, like horses, dogs, etc.
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  Speaker 3: So like, not surprised, but like I don't know how she's going to come back from this.
• 3:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, she had a lawsuit against her a year or two ago within the fitness industry where she had to pay a settlement I believe it was six figures, don't quote me on that Essentially for scamming people back in 20, like a decade ago.
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: A decade ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I know you don't know about that.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know about that.
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: I got to look into this after this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty damn big.
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  Speaker 3: Hundreds of individuals, especially women, for because on the internet she became.
• 4:25
  Speaker 3: She was a coach and she was an ED warrior eating disorder warrior and she claimed to have expertise in Ed's and so naturally people signed up for her coaching.
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  Speaker 3: She gave them very cookie cutter programs and very low calorie diets and she screwed over a lot of people.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure she claimed that those cookie cutter programs were like unique, individual ones.
• 4:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they were like people like wait a second mine's the same as theirs.
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: What's going on here?
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: It's like that's where.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so, yeah, she's got a lot of heat and then, after she scammed in the fitness industry and knew that she couldn't clear her name there, she moved into the Christian community.
• 5:07
  Speaker 3: So now she is under the guise of God and XYZ and just things just continue to come up one after the other, like there were problems with her being a terrible foster parent and now she can't do that anymore.
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's all over the internet.
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I'm on a reality TV show, Like you know you're, like you have a girlfriend that's watched Like how do you watch this stuff?
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: And then five minutes later you're sitting there just kind of like wait, what are the who was that about?
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: What was that who said that?
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  Speaker 1: Right yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's just one after the other with her.
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: So now it's the.
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  Speaker 3: She dumped her old pit bull because, quote, unquote, she wasn't vibing with it, and that was her reason for dumping it.
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like you could have.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a super peaceful Zen person, but I will tell people that if you want to see me get pissed, do something to an animal in front of me.
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: I will break every fucking bone in your body, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure it was a, it was pretty harsh, it was pretty ridiculous.
• 6:11
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say Brittany dawns one of them, and then you know, v shred, v shreds, kind of oh god yes.
• 6:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's Video on V shred that's popping off again and it's because he's gaining popularity.
• 6:24
  Speaker 3: So people are looking up V shreds reviews and they're coming across my video on Tiktok, and so you know there's.
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: Well, it worked for me.
• 6:34
  Speaker 3: And I was like no, no, it's not about what if it worked for you or not, it's the fact that this guy's the scammer.
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: And here's why.
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah but that's I.
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: Apparently he's popping off again, so I Know, because that video is my video of V shreds doing doing a bit more numbers right now.
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I V shred, I get asked.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: I get so for anybody who's DM'd me.
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: I've had several people DM me like I've seen this V shred guy.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: What do you think about?
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very pretty right, an attractive man I will give.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: I will give him.
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: He's a handsome young lad and he's got a good physique and, and those are the end of my compliments.
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: Those pretty much everything and he doesn't have a brain in that body.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: I yeah.
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: So like he has people like above him basically pulling the strings that are that are really smart in marketing, so they're very yeah the way that they they target people right who are more vulnerable to his bullshit.
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have an amazing marketing team that knows to zero in on beginners and and people that are just getting in their foot in the door and they're the.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: Shuffle them off and here's them.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing body or program based on your body type.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: He's got some sort of new scam going on.
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: I.
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  Speaker 3: Think he's still using this tomato type scam because that was what was happening when I was a teenager, so I almost got sucked into it myself.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: Tell people what the somatic type scam.
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell people.
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  Speaker 3: So there's this theory and it's it's a theory and theory, meaning that it's not quite proven where there's three different types of body types and sometimes there's four, so endomorph, ectomorph and a mesomorph, and there's in that Well, let's start back in.
• 8:22
  Speaker 3: Like the 1960s is when this all started.
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: This was a psychology Study that a psychologist did or, yeah, psychologists on college students, basically placing them in three categories, in the three I just named.
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: And then somewhere along the way, decades through, the fitness industry was like oh, let's take this and let's use it as a prescription for fitness and exercise and diet interventions.
• 8:45
  Speaker 3: And, although it has like a little bit of truth to it, it's the the point, or what unproves or disproves the theory is the fact that we aren't one body all the time and we see that with Bodybuilders as a good example, where they're in one stage of their bodybuilding career and their career and they're considered an acto more.
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: But then when?
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 2: Just describe the three bodies of mesomorph and endo endo more so.
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  Speaker 3: Like the acto is someone who's like apparently tall, lanky, lean Me.
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  Speaker 3: Metabolism as a morph is somewhere in the middle, and an endomorph is the exact opposite.
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  Speaker 3: They're always short and stocky and can't lose weight and this and that must be.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is it's like yes, we have some science around it, but like it's not, again, it's not, it's not proven, because we have people breaking those parameters all the time.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: You know, we could take me as an example where trigger warning I was diagnosed with anorexia and binge eating disorder Several years ago, when I was a teenager, I would be considered an acto more, but now I would maybe be considered an Mesomorph, and when I was chubby, before you know, getting into my eating disorders, I would be considered an endo more.
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: So the fact that, like you, can break these categories Proves the whole theory incorrect, and so it's not a prescription for exercise.
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: We truly don't fall into one of three categories and that's the problem.
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: But it's easily believable because Correlation right.
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit more complicated.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's because we like to be, we like to have these little categories and we like to be told we're kind of different than other people.
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: So if I go to someone and say, hey, the reason you can't lose weight is everyone else is putting you into this broad category, when instead I know it's because you are in this Different, specific category and you need to work out based off your category.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I find it very strange because it's like, even if you are in these different categories, is the training really going to be that different like?
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: you're still gonna be like.
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: Right, so even further.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just levels of bullshit.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: It goes all the way down, yeah and that's an even more important part is that once they put you in this special category, they have this magic formula that you need to follow.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: That will get your results and, of course, we love that magic formula.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's cookie cutter at the other day.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: That's what it is.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: It's cookie cutter.
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you're an endomorph.
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: You get the endomorph program, one, truly two endomorphs I'm just gonna use that like aren't the same, like to still two different types of lifestyles, two different things going on to, like different types of time commitments or eating, eating styles or whatever.
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: So you know it's, it's the fact that we're still case-by-case basis is After, after those categories, and that's what disproves the theory, especially since we don't really have much science on it in fitness at all or from much of a nutritional and exercise standpoint.
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: It's literally all in psychology.
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  Speaker 3: So the fact that people pulled like, look these studies from psychology and they're like, yeah, we're just gonna shove it into fitness and nutrition is funny Devil's advocate if you're just an average person.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking around.
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  Speaker 2: I notice a lot of people hey, that person's really tall and skinny, this person's short and stocky, like you see these things a lot.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: So like when it's when I think, just when you see it, and then people are like oh, this is why these people are like that.
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, we're always looking for reasons.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: We want to.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's tough.
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's stereotyping is essentially what it is.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think the important takeaway from this is that somatotypes came from some creepy psychologists that just wanted to photograph nude college boys.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what it was, and that's still better than leaving your dog by the side of the road.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: Let me just throw that out there.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I agree with that.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Still, I will still have a drink with that person before the dog lever.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: But can I just say about V shred?
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: I my I do like the somatotypes, but my favorite is when he has, like Harvard, found a new study that unlocked the fat gene, or in, like you know we have that.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: It's so like if you haven't seen any V shred commercials.
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: They are like an SNL skit.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: They really are like a Saturday night live.
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: Someone can try to come up with bullshit for the fitness industry, but they are trying to actually sell this nonsense.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we found this loophole.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it's this fat loss loophole Discovered by Harvard that we have engineered into a supplement that you can buy.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's also gotten called out for blatantly copying a copy, pasting word for word famous youtubers content as well, like biomechanical Content the video of him doing the the inverse chest fly.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, that was amazing.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're, you have it.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: But obviously V shred took that down, but I think you can still find it Clips of it it's so good.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: So basically, you hold your hand out in front of you straight, like a straight arm, and then you turn your chest in towards your arm, so you're not moving your arm at all.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: You just turn your body, which does literally nothing.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: Basically, you're just holding your arm.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: That's about the post work You're.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: You're getting some front delts by just holding your arm in front of you.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: That's.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: It's so good.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: Oh man.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that's V shred for anybody listening.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I would just you know, ignore, ignore, ignore.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: V shred has to say you try to bring it on, blacklist them immediately.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: OK, so we've called out our names.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: We've called out our names.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: So I mean, ok, I think we've called out a little bit on the bullshit, but like, what would you give for people?
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: What would you tell people who, because we listen to, we have a lot of listeners who are, like you know, beginning out, beginning their fitness journey, their health journey Like, what would tips would you give to them, what to look out for?
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: What would you just suggest for someone that's just like I want to get healthier?
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Right, right, absolutely so.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: If they're on social media, cleaning up your, what I call the social, your diet, your social media diet, is super important.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: So and it's funny because I was actually just on a podcast recently where I talked about this exact thing too that, although credentials aren't end all be all, it is a green flag If someone has credentials like a degree or a certification, or two or multiple, because that's at least a foundational that they they, you know have gone out and achieved.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: It's an integrity thing at the end of the day.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Aside from that, though, that doesn't always mean everything, so there are some people that I know with PhDs who don't know jack shit, jules Seaman.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: I can name a couple.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about it.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: We're not going to get into Jules.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: It's low hanging fruit and I want to, I want to.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: So anyway.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, not end all be all, but definitely a green flag, I will say people who speak with nuance that is important, especially in the evidence based community People who, when they say bold claims that seem novel to beginners, they have, they can back it up, they can actually back the claim up.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Nothing grinds my gears more.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: When I see someone say research says X Y Z, I'm like does it?
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Does research say that, or did you find this word for word off a blog on Google?
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Because I could take this word for word, paste it into the search bar and find exactly where you got it from.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's definitely something that to look out for.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: And then, I guess, being aware of clickbait.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Right, clickbait exists in the sense that we all need to market ourselves as creators.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Right, we all want to have hooks, but like, for example, spot reduction, clickbaits, clickbait, like that's an easy one.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Exercises to get rid of back fat or whatever fat or inner thigh fat, or tone this or tone that, like that yeah that's a very easy clickbait title that you know you could tell if someone's bullshitting at the end of the day.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: And it's funny because a lot of these are a lot of those types of videos I've seen.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Some have come from credited individuals, but they are just playing the social media game and they're like, oh, I'm going to mislead anyway because it's going to get used in engagement.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of people like that yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah so it's unfortunate.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the spot.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: The spot reduction is a big thing because we all have the love handles, the lower belly.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: That's just like there's a little bit there that you were like, oh, I just want to get rid of this.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I've had people DM me and be like, there's just this little bit I want to get rid of.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: How do I target that?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: And I was like, listen, if I want to make money, I just sell you some, some plan and then you know that's nothing, because at the end of the day, you really can't do that outside of your tincture essentially and let me tell you for anybody listening like, losing.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: you know, like if you have, like if you have a large amount of excess body fat, you can lose a lot of it, not easily, but more easily, because once you get to the end, that last little bit is always going to be the hardest.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: It's like an exponential difficulty, because at the end you're like, oh, it should be just as easy to lose this last little bit of weight as it was the first 90% of it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: It's so much harder your body is going to fight to keep on to that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: You're going to be hungry, you're going to be tired.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You know, like, so it's.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: You have to really assess is it?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: How much, is it worth it?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: How much stress am I going to put on myself to lose this last little bit?
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: So that's just right, it's just like you know you're going to be able to really get a little bit of stress on it.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that, and influencers have really just kind of made up some terms to like, really like, get at you for something like it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: On the women's side of things like hip dips, like that's not a thing Like it's your first cancer depression, by the way, like biomechanically speaking, anatomically speaking, but I mean it's like.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: It's a term that like was created somewhere years ago.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: That's being like whatever workouts, exercises, a trainer, a program, and it's just like preying on people's insecurities, Like that's not a thing until we made it a thing.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Like, why do?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: we care so much about our hip dips or like love handles, like that's not actually a thing, it's a made up term, like there's no such thing as a love handle, it's whatever fives deposit there.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: We just called it that and we've decided to use that term as a way to prey on people's insecurities not us, but I mean people who again do that, who just want to make money.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: It's you know these buzzwords Exactly.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: That's what I was just going to get at.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: You have these like little things that when you see it, it's just the kind of click baity titles, but they really, they work really well.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It is kind of, isn't it kind of, sad that nutrition, fitness, it doesn't really matter.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: The way you get a following is either by basically saying bullshit or calling out bullshit.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like those are the two paths you can get, because no one wants to hear like, okay, so here's the science based evidence.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: No, they don't care.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: They want either the nonsense or calling out the nonsense.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Those are the two ways, yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Right, right, exactly.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: A lot of and it's when I look at the even just TikTok as a whole a lot of the bullshit, because misinformation scientifically spreads six times faster than truth.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I'd have to find the PMID for it because it's an interesting study, by the way, because that's the case, a lot of these people who are bullshitting are going to typically have larger followings because of that, because it's so novel of information, so it is hard to kind of bust your ass and put out the answer.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: That's not pretty because nobody wants to hear it versus the opposite.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, we as evidence based coaches and individuals, have to kind of stay in our bubble and not worry about kind of what anyone else is doing in that aspect or like how many followers someone has.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big one.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: The number of followers someone has tells you fucking nothing about how good their information is Correct.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: That's fucking nonsense.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, river King has like six million followers.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's listen to that guy.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and oh, fuck, I've.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Now I'm on River King brain and I can't fucking eating brain.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: God damn it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what I was going to say.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Rob, say something.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: My brain.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was just going to say that this is we call this brandolini's law, which is it takes exponentially more energy to debunk bullshit on the internet than to create it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I've been taking breaks from the internet lately.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You especially see that with the creators that are debunking this stuff and trying to put out the good content is they will often get stressed, depressed and need to take breaks.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Because it is so hard on us.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: But you know what my break was good.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I just thought of the thing I was thinking of.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It's so because nutrition or fitness, it doesn't really matter.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: This is how it's so frustrating, because if you're going to call out bullshit, you have to then back it up with a lot of evidence, right?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But the people saying the bullshit all they really have to say and I've seen this over and over, at least in the nutrition space is you're just keeping up the status quo and the status quo doesn't work.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: If the status quo worked, then people would be healthier.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Because people aren't healthier.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: It's clearly not working and it's not right.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: That's really all they have to say.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: That is enough for a large enough percentage of people to then go.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that makes sense.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't go with the evidence-based person, I should go with the person saying these wild things because it's different, right?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I've seen a lot of.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like there's always three main things that we continue debunking, or three reasons why something's being debunked.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Either A they're pulling up animal studies and they're playing that game and thinking that animal studies translate to human studies.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: They're playing the correlation equals causation game, which we know.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Correlation doesn't equal causation game or causation.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: That's not the case.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Or they're oh my God, I forgot the third one.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: There's a third one oh, it worked for me game they're playing it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, it worked for me.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, the anecdote yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, anecdotes over everything.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does, man Anecdotes are.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: We talk about this so much, but we just kind of have to keep doing it because they are so unbelievably powerful for a V shred to go.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Look at all these people I've helped and anytime I call someone out for their bullshit I always get people in the comments saying but they've helped people.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: It works for them.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: It works for them.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: How does them helping others negate the terrible information they're giving?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And for them it just does, I guess.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And and.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you give somebody terrible information, you might see results, not necessarily as a result of the information that they were given, but it could be something that they were doing entirely differently.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fabricated and they're going to.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to continue to believe that that wrong information is correct and they're going to make bad decisions because of that down the line.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Right Example I wear a waste trainer during my workouts and I start working out four times a week.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Going from zero, I can claim all day that the waste trainer was the reason my waist got slimmer, but I started actually.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I started doing workouts four times a week and I was burning more calories.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And my waist got slimmer.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Are those coming back in Waste trainers?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: They've always been around.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I'm Latina, so I'm like in the Latin community it's always a big thing.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: It's always been a big thing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: So they I mean it does and it doesn't it's like one of those things that are always there.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: It's like an evergreen bullshit trend, like yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, give us Brina's biggest bullshit and I'm going to put like a big reader echo on that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So it's like, are you just going to be like open category on it, like any?
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: person or anything Like are like in the just everything.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Open category Biggest bullshit.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Biggest.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Not the little bullshit, not the medium bullshit.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: The biggest bullshit.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: No medium bullshit right here, oh God.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the things that keep you awake at night and you get frustrated by it, right?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: We're putting you on the spot.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, because there's so many things that I've called out, it's not even a big deal.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, am I going to bring this one up again?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, screw it, whatever.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, one of the one of the biggest bullshit that almost I think it, almost it could have potentially started.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: No, it did start a lawsuit and you had a few people on your podcast, I believe the other day.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: That may or may not have talked about this, but Ryan Reed, actually that's probably oh God, Ryan the biggest bullshit that I have a come.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Ryan Reed is it was a collective call out by me yeah right Other fit Adam Beth, franco, matt, her yeah, her partner, matt Olivia Pellis, your set fitness and so he fit.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: And I think Ben Carpeter was part of it at one point.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I think it was like a lot of people came out or like, okay, we're going to call Ryan Reed out again.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: And Ryan Reed is essentially a Liam, if you don't know a glute expert who has a female only clients and he's very handsy and he was called out originally back in 2020 by Ben English and I for being handsy and then it kind of died.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: It kind of died out and then that large group that I just mentioned, we all came back and collectively, in February of 2021, decided to all go ham and call him out because he posted his heart on if you know what I mean on social, his fitness social media, on TikTok, in 48, in a span of 48 hours, multiple times because he wasn't getting views.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And so I took that.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I was like um, isn't the guy, this the guy that was handsy with clients in the group chat of all these coaches?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: And we're like yeah, and so we dug kind of further into it and we're like you know what this is worth a call out again because he's harassed, and like we have like evidence, like screenshot it like it was.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: This was like going to go on the news like articles, like there was going to be a lawsuit.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know what has happened to it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: It got into the hands of higher ups.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with it, but we have evidence against it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: We were all ready to like literally go to court for this and yeah, so we posted about it and it blew up and he fleed from Scottsdale, Arizona allegedly to California and is apparently doing the same thing now.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: He like hasn't stopped and he hasn't been really caught.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: But I don't.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: We really tried to get this into the hands of police and like higher, like authority and it did at one point, but yeah, we don't.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: It just kind of dissipated, which is sad, and we've had so many women come forward about about this, like we all have evidence and screenshots and audio files and like all of it like just I was so happy when that whole thing came up because when I was getting started on TikTok, the very first person, the very first big person that like tried to attack me, was Ryan Reed, and he attacked me because I had slight, slight little dorses of the spine and so my spine wasn't flat when I was doing hip thrusts and I was it always comes for yeah, and so I he, like you know did this big thing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're doing it wrong, blah, blah, blah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I came back to him and like, look, you can't look at the spine.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Your spine isn't what's moving, the moving joint.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: You're looking at the pelvis in relation to your, your thighs, and just because somebody has slight lordosis doesn't mean that they shouldn't be showing how an exercise is done.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he kept, he kept ragging on that.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: He kept being like no, you're not allowed to train people because you have a little bit of a different body than other people do.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: And like I just kept being like you know, we do not gatekeep fitness based on people's bodies and stuff.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: And his followers would actually come over to my page to like they would become being ready to put up a fight and stuff, and they'd see my content and they'd be like, okay, our guy's an asshole and this guy's actually really nice.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how it always started, cause he did the same to a trainer named Bren.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: She she's kind of come off TikTok since then, but he did the same thing to a trainer named Bren and so she had to come back with her own video.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: That was evidence to base and that that also catapulted into us finding those sexually explicit videos Somewhat sexually explicit videos and then calling them out.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: So it's so funny that you say that, because literally the exact thing was done to Bren.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not, I don't know a whole lot of that about this, but I will say like in those sorts of situations they generally, like you said, they move and they do the same thing, which really sucks, Cause they don't stop unless they were forced to stop Right, like it just.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And there's too many of those people out there too, like male trainers with explicitly female client base that are glute experts, which is not a complete not, like always, a hundred percent a complete red flag.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: However, most of the time it is, and most of the time, if they're getting really hands you with you, then yes, that's a huge red flag right there, right.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, and social media isn't like it's kind of a double-edged sword because if you look, you know before we had social media you could just move and it was easier.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: You know people wouldn't know about you.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But also with social media you can reach a lot of people, so you'll have people calling out but there's just so, there's just this endless pool of more people that you can target.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of yeah, unfortunately, the last I checked on Ryan cause I did look to see if, like, anything had happened with that and like he was just back on TikTok doing the thing again, yep.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: And that's the unfortunate part.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: It's just, it's like a back to normal and, like you know, he hasn't been called out just once.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It's been multiple times and the sad part is it gains like traction.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: And then it's like oh my God, we're finally getting somewhere where this like this you know, we can finally do something about this to stop this, so he doesn't harm other people and then it's like again it dissipates.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And then we're like shoot, we thought we had it this time, cause.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: So like hopefully people can look him up and are now more aware of him, but like we can't stop.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we, we get a lot of the bullshit people that you need to stay away from.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like before we end, we should definitely give at least a few good channels to promote some good books.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I agree, let's switch gears, Like we can actually say like, hey, check these people out.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Cause the person I kind of got interested when I got into fitness was Jeff Nippard.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: If you haven't know, he's mostly on YouTube.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: It's great, yeah.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see find him on other things, but very like, he's great.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: If you're starting out, Just look up Jeff Nippard.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: He breaks down things in a very easily digestible way, I would say, and gives you like just clear.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, here's the things you can do if you're starting out.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: If you have two days, do this four days, like that sort of stuff, and so he's probably my favorite.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: If you're just beginning your journey, look up Jeff Nippard.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure for sure, yeah, no, some great people, I would say.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: When I first started my own journey on TikTok, the first few people I found were Beth, farakko and Matt, and then there was what you call it Olivia Pellish, your Set Fitness.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: She's on there too.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I love her.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: There's also a new girl I want to shout out.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: She's a dietitian and she's a person of color, which is very it's not common in the dietitian realm.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: So women and women of color and I'm a woman of color, so it's nice to see other women in color but she's a different ethnicity than I am, but she's her name Shaila.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Shaila health was Shaila, oh we've had her on here.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: We've had her on the podcast.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Shaila's a friend, yeah good, I love her.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say something.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I was like well, so we've had Shaila on who.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: But I was like you might be saying the same person because you're in the middle of something.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Shaila's one of them.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, also my business partner, megan Waits, w-a-i-t-s.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: She's also evidence-based, her and I, we're always doing stuff together.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Her husband, mark Dallas Waits, is a chef, so he's on TikTok too, and he's currently blowing up for his recipes and whatnot.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: He's also into fitness, so that's fun.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, those are a few good people that I can really name off the top of my head that I always follow Coach Frizzle too.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: She's awesome, what's?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: your take on Athelenex over there, sabrina?
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I'm kinda curious because I just wanna talk about it because he's one of the biggest, is maybe the one of the biggest, at least yeah, yeah he says so.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: You see, for me it's, he's a back-and-forth, because there's some things that he says that are very evident space, and it's great.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: But then he'll like jump that threshold, and then you'll say something that's bullshit.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I think that's for you to get that big, you kind of have to blur the lines a little bit.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's a tough.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I've always had a tough, like I like a lot of what you're saying, but also there's a little bit.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, if you see athlete next out there yeah it's good, some of it's not as good, yeah like I mean, he was big and back when YouTube was huge, several years ago, you know, and he's still around and he's pivoting.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: He's still growing as a platform, I believe.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: It's just like for me it's hard to listen to someone's content or watch their content when they're not like steady, like it's okay to change.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not consistent.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: But it's like it's a very like.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: One day it's like great evidence-based content, and then another day it's like bullshit, and then it's like he keeps going back and forth and I was like, yeah, I don't know if I can keep giving you the benefit of the doubt like I think.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I think for me two of the main ones when I was getting started were pure both it and Pure and Obese to beast.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know, and they're yeah yeah, john gloves, yeah, they've got they.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It's not so much that they put out like scientific content or anything, but they put out like nice content, it's Friendly, it's, it makes you like enjoy what they're, what you're getting into and stuff.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely I yeah a lot.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Even that content's great from like watching all the scientific stuff like Lane Norton.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I love Lane Norton.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: No, you know, yeah, of course.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like one of my favorites that and Brad shown field daddy of kinesiology.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: So I have to say like after I got into Jeff Nippert and kind of got the basics, I hopped over to Renaissance periodization, which, if you haven't seen, this is Dr Mike is retell is retail.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you've run since the spring of last year.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he does is a little bit more advanced.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: So, like, I kind of like started Jeff Nippert and then hopped over to Renaissance periodization and they go a little bit further in depth.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: If you, if you kind of want to know, like actually how to you know design a program, that sort of stuff, you can go to them on YouTube.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: They started on like the.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: They have Instagram, they have tick tock a little bit less so, but right, those are the two like for me Jeff Nippert, renaissance periodization if you're kind of like early on, I'd look both of those up very evidence-based, great information.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: They're awesome.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: So we told out the bullshit.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: We gave you some good information.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: What more do you want?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're supposed to do here.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: They're good in the bad.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: We got to start with the bad, because the bad is what hooks people in.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Again, as we say, did you have to call out the bullshit to Give people's attention?
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Oh man.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I know what I want.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite food?
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: What sushi?
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Sushi 1000%, that's a good.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love me.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: That's good one yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Which is very neutral, pretty healthy very versatile.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: What's your favorite Oreo flavor?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: We asked that before.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Orias, but uh, I Would have to say just, I mean just the regular double stuff.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I thought the chocolate one the chocolate.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I used to eat those as a kid when I was like very overweight.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I would eat like a whole box bag of them by myself.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: It was bad it's, but it's there's so good I can't blame you.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: At least they're so good they are the best cookie?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I, actually.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: We asked Adam this and I think I like to respond, so I'm gonna ask you this question back to more serious things than Oreos and sushi's.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Um, for, like, as you work with people, right, so like you obviously like clients and whatnot Like what do you what's a common thing you see amongst the people who are successful in their endeavors, like what a thing that kind of connects them together?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I like that question because, you know, when you've worked with a lot of people, you've probably picked up a little things that have they all have in common.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: That, you know, is the yeah, learning that the all, or learning how to break away from the all or nothing mindset.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: The clients that understand that all or nothing isn't the answer, like sustainability is Found within just something you can hold.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be perfect, it doesn't mean perfection, consistency doesn't equal perfection.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And so I've realized that my clients that are get into that Mindset or, like some of them, they come from an all or nothing mindset and I have to kind of help them Re-learn that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: You know that's not how we treat life right, because at the end of the day, we're training, we're eating for life.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: You know we're not here to hop on some crash diet.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Give you results for the sake of results.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, be like bye just for you to Whatever gain all the way back and come back to me, and I I always tell people online, on the phone, as a client, whatever in person, that like I want you to have the ability to walk away, not needing me anymore, like autonomy is always my goal, and that's kind of counterintuitive to a business perspective where it's like we're coaches and we want to keep our clients, we want recurring revenue.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: But then today I find such fulfillment and like letting my clients go and then like see, yeah years down the road, like their physiques or just whatever, whatever their goals were, it's just like it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: It seemed unimaginable when they were coaching with me.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: But then, like years later, and they're thriving in their own way and it's, it's fantastic.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: So I found that, yeah, my clients are the clients are most successful.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Use me as a resource to its full extent and then also break from the all or nothing mindset.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: On that note.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Why don't you give the people where to find you and like how to get more information?
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can find me on tiktok and Instagram.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Those are my two platforms.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Beef cake, that's one word.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Be e, f like beef, like cow, beef cake, be cake underscore Brina Brina.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on Instagram, tiktok and I just released a new single on my house producer and DJ.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: So Um, that's right.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw some of your DJ stuff.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my house producer, and, and and a DJ, so I just released my new single I'm a rich man, inspired by the quote that I live by.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: so well, there you go now.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody can add that to your gym playlist.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually on my gym playlist.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, it's, it's there and I'm gonna be producing more music.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I'm actually it's funny I stopped to do this podcast because I was producing music at a coffee shop, so I'm gonna be really sick, yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for coming on, appreciate it everybody.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Go out, find some people you like, ignore the bullshit and Listen to music.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Everybody at the three we say three, two, one.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Don't be your worst.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Three, two, one.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Don't be a worst good enough.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Good enough, don't be a worse.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Than good enough.