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Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling. Hey guys, it's Friday.
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It's some kind of crazy mashup day where we do a random set of
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recaps, and today Deanna, Emily and I are going to be recapping the
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documentary called Brats, which is about the Brat Pack from the eighties that Andrew
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McCarthy put together. He put together this film for us and we all dug
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in. Brett Ganell is facetiming me right now. For some us, it's
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fun. I'd love to bring him in, you know, welcome in.
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Are you facetiming me on purpose? Or is this a butt dial? I
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see nothing, it's just black Brett. Was that a mistake? Oh yeah,
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oh yeah, all right, we'll say hello to the Darling. Oh
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yeah, all right, well yeah, nice to have you. All right,
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catch it later. Bye. He's like up in the garage. He's
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doing well. I'm sorry everybody, we're back. Ladies and gentlemen. If
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you are watching this, if you're tier two or three and you're seeing one,
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Emily Dursis in her Ali Sheety wear, take a look. Feast your
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eyes on Ali Sheety A bombshell, the bombshell Alie Sheety has joined us for
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our Brat's recap. It's remarkable. It's actually like crazy, how much Ali
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Sheety you're giving us. Oh well, thank you. The documentary, no
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shediness of it all, the seediness. You're so sety, not shady.
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But I did feel like a little weird about the fact that he showed up
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at her apartment Andrew McCarthy with just two iPhones and no MIC's. Practically that
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was, oh my god, weird. What was that. I don't know.
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The angle, the angle, the worst angle, you guys angle.
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Sorry, here's the thing, and I just need to get this off at
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the top and I'm gonna sit back and I feel I but this was not
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a well directed movie and he should have had a director and that and that
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was a big freakin' problem. Yeah. I think that he didn't get the
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funding and the help that he wanted. I don't think that any one was
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going to back him on this, and he said, I'm going to fucking
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do it myself. And he started shooting and his first interview was Ali Shedy
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and he was like, I'm just gonna start shooting this. I'm not gonna
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wait. So, yeah, I don't know why he didn't have a better,
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you know, direction with this that I think that he felt like he
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I can do this. I'm just gonna do it. I'm capable of doing
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it. I know what I'm doing and I'm just going to go for it.
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And because if you think about the idea, you know that he's pitching
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to whomever. You can't get all these celebrities that he wants to interview to
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sign on the dotted line, like he's cold calling them. He's you know,
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he's not sure if anyone's going to show up. There's no drawn up
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contract there are. These are just favors that they're they're doing for him.
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It's it's all off the books in a way. So it's all very rogue
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the way that he put this together. And on that level, I appreciated
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it. But on another level, I wanted more time with each of these
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people. And I mean, I guess, I mean, I guess the
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editing really gave us what we needed on some level. I mean, I
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don't know how much further you can go with each person, but to to
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just broad stroke it for a second, I had a real rollercoaster ride watching
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this. I came into it very emotional. I think because hearing the music,
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seeing Andrew McCarthy, just having my entire childhood flashed before my eyes,
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being you know, the nostalgia of the music, and I just felt so
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overwhelmed with emotion, you know that it was that. And then I was
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just the plight of him trying to get to the bottom of this and knowing
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that they were so wronged. And I had no idea about it, but
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I mean, I know they received it that way, but yes, but
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then I ended the then I ended it on a completely different in a completely
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different way where I thought Andrew McCarthy is playing the victim role here and he
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could never get over it. And let me tell you something. I read
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that article last night, from beginning to end me too, okay, good,
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Andrew McCarthy's name wasn't even mentioned until the very end when it only said
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maybe his credits. He wasn't in the photos. There was nothing about him
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in that article. And well, that article was scathing to all of these
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actors, scathing to many of these actors. It was really terrible. That's
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why Emilio Estevez was the one that was responsible, because he took this young
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writer along with them as they gallivanted around Los Angeles, you know, picking
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up women, dropping women. Judd Nelson, no wonder he didn't show up
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for the interviews. He was literally like, you can't have women sit at
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the table with you. They can stand around you, but you can't sit
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at the table to have Emilio est Ifez. They went to a movie,
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you know, in Westwood or at the campus or whatever. He wouldn't even
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pay for a fucking ticket. He had to go call on a payphone to
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get tickets. This made them look so bad. They it made them look
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like brats. So it did actually make sense. Okay, I'm gonna step
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back. You wanted to say something, Well, that's just it. I'm
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sure that there was some fallout in terms of work, but not everybody caught
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it. And like I think maybe they like lived in some of this reputation,
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because maybe they had some of this reputation. And I think that like
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who became the brat pack? Like I would have lost money with Anthony Michael
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Hall. Like I just I just assumed that everybody in the breakfast club was
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part of the brat pack. Yeah, Like I never ever, I mean,
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as a kid, ever thought of Demi Moore and the Demi Moore in
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the back pack. I didn't think of half these people. I thought it
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was the Breakfast I thought I thought it was Sane Almo's Fire. That's who
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I thought the brad Pack was. I mean, as I got older and
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could like put it in like context of like a think piece or something like
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that, then I understood like who the brat Pack was. But then I
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was like, yeah, but Anthony Michael Hall, you know what I mean,
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Like and the fact that like Molly Ringwald like barely I mean she she
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she wasn't. Her behavior wasn't like mocked on a grand scale or anything like
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that. That's a bit like she's the queen of it. So Ali sheety,
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Yeah, I don't know. And then it's funny to me, like
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you asked, I'd love that they did this in the film. You ask
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somebody else who the brat Pack is, and they're going to have a different
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list. But now because it's a badge of honor, not because of that
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article. That's the interesting thing about I think when something becomes sticky and what
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sticky today is like so different from back then in many ways because the avenues
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of information were so much narrower so so it really okay. I will say
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this. The thought occurred to me at the beginning and at the end of
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the movie was that I don't think Andrew McCarthy ever read the article. I
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don't think he even read it before he started this movie. Oh see,
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I think he did. I think I don't think he did. Why do
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you say that, because I think he would have said I know why we
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all think he read it, but I think he saw the title, put
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himself in it and fell apart, which I've seen with friends. It's a
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lesson in life because you see, it's like, here's a group of people.
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Some people completely internalize this. It affected everyone, but some people completely
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internalized it and it was debilitating, while others took the hit and moved forward.
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Demi Almore's wisdom was mind blowing, profound, beautiful, articulate, and
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it made me realize how different everyone is in their lives. Like Andrew McCarthy
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was struggling mentally with you know, this whole situation, and if you were
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to break it down, these you know, this culture that they that they
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created around this time of having all of these movies for the ages of eighteen,
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and it was such a great time. To be that young and be
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starring in all these movies was an incredible moment for pop culture. You know,
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it was so new now as we've all seen, actors tend to move
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out of their niche move out of their their age group, and sometimes because
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that's what they're known for, and they can't graduate on to the next because
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they're already branded as being in these teen movies. And so that alone may
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have organically happened regardless of this article. And so a thousand of them,
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there were so many of them. And so I think that Andrew McCarthy,
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because he didn't have the type of success that he imagined he would have,
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he is blaming this article for what he didn't get in his career after that,
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and that is putting the blame elsewhere. That's him not taking ownership for
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That's the way the cookie crumbles in how you know, and to me,
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that's where he failed. By the end of this documentary, I honestly don't
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even think that he's still over it. I still think that he's holding resentment
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towards that David Bloom writer and the situation, and he can't go back and
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write it. He feels robbed and he's still putting so much power in that
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article when Demi Moore is saying, you're putting too much on that, you
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know, I still think that he's doing that. You could see it,
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you could see him working through it. I honestly think his therapist said,
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you know what you should do. You should go. I think this therapist
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is like, we've been talking about this for thirty years. I think you
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need to now do something about it. I think you need to go talk
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to your friends. I think you need to maybe do something creative with it.
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And it was therapeutic for him, and I think it was on some
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level, but at the end, I still don't believe that he worked through
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it. I don't care if you work through it or not. I think
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that I think Andrew McCarthy is kind of the Andrew McCarthy CA character where it's
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like, yeah, super high status, like gorgeous, sad boy, and
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it's like that's who you are, dude. You were emo before Emo.
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Like it's Emo to the end. Yeah. You know. I had what
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I did take away and I thought was beautifully could cry about it right now
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is that there's been so much time that is past, and I think that
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the people who participated knew that he really took a hit on this. He
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internalized it above and beyond else we could say like, and I would say
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Amelia Estevez did as well. Actually, yes, I actually he was.
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Really he was, and he feels responsible. I think, yes, he's
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the one. Yeah, and I think he it, you know, overcame
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him as well, like it was a weighted blanket on him and on Andrew,
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like they couldn't breathe from it. But I thought, like, you
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know when you have a friend where you're like, God, I really do
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want to unlock this for you, because I know that this is weighed heavily
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on you and I want to lift it. And I felt that energy from
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a lot of them where they were like, I'm not doing this for any
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other reason other than to relieve you and to help you work through this.
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And I thought that was very beautiful and very moving, like very moving to
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put yourself in Andrew McCarthy's shoes and to after thirty years. That is what
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actually struck me the most, is that there must have been something very real
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to this, because they all scattered and went their own ways, and I
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guess that's part of Hollywood. They had grow up, They had to grow
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them to grow up. But for them to not speak in thirty years after
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being let gendary, you know, movement, part of a whole movement of
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films, for them to not speak was so heartbreaking to see. So for
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Andrew to get the confirmation from Alie sheety when she was like, yeah,
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it felt like we were robbed. It felt like we were dismissed. It
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felt like we were written off. She was when she said, when I
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went into auditions, I felt a vibe in the room that was weird.
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And I believe her, so like, yeah, yeah, you know,
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so I just thought this is and Demi Moore said the same thing. And
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I also if you guys, do you ever do you remember when that article
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came out and what you thought? Could you go back to it? I
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was like a kid, I just I was under the impression, like I
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was a little kid, and I like idolize these people. So I just
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thought it was cool like my friends and I would play Brett Pack. Yeah.
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So it's like I just I don't know, I didn't have a good
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like idea of it in terms of from there, but as an adult,
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I get what they're saying. But like like open the lens a little wider
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here. This happens in every generation in this business. You get white hot
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people find a reason to not like you, and then you need your next
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big thing is can you overcome that can pivot? Yeah, And so it's
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like it's not fair, but this business is this business, and they all
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came together. I mean they this was I think gonna happen no matter what.
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But maybe it wouldn't have been such a hard defined line, yes and
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off, like it got cut off at the knees in a way. Deanna,
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Do you remember seeing that? I do. I remember seeing the article.
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No, I never got my eyes on the article. I don't think
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you did either, Like I write you, I never read the article,
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but I remember seeing the cover. I mean I was seeing brad pack.
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Yeah, I remember the term and being like, oh it hit, you
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know, it just hit. It was what it was. It was like,
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yeah, it was this so sticky. It put everybody in a group.
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No one was checking in who's in the black pack who isn't. It
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was just like your impression of like what that meant. It wasn't based on
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the article. You know, the article was neither here nor there. Nobody,
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you know, at least as a kid. Maybe adults felt who are
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reading it, but also how many people treating that article industry? It was
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the kids weren't. And when I remember seeing that, I thought, that's
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weird. Why are they calling them brats? That's not very nice? Are
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they brats? I do remember thinking that's mean. Like I did feel like,
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huh, like it took away from them being heroes in my mind.
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So I'll be honest about that. That's how I remember it. Amalia's saying
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that it made it seemed like lightweight. Yeah, that's the that's the thing
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that that's such a that took the wind out of their selves, and it's
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you know, sometimes you can't. First of all, even the night you're
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saying it was such a bad like a cringe you know, worthy night in
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the article, and I'm like, I don't know, it sounds kind of
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fun, and like I don't think they did anything that bad, Like they
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were twenty year olds having fun. Like I didn't actually think it was that
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so crazy. I understand what you're saying in comparison to everything that we read
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on a daily basis now, but I think back then it was a big
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deal. And the reason why I think it was a big deal is because
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David Bloom what it kind of reminded me of that that seventies movie about the
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musicians, when that writer that Kate Hudson was in and that writer goes along
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with the most famous Yeah, it kind of reminded me of that feeling in
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some way. But so for Emilio Estevez to invite this this guy along to
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grab this writer who's working on the screenplay for Nights, oh hard Nights,
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I can't remember, but whatever, he shot himself in the foot, and
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I kept thinking, So Melio Estefez's dad, Martin Sheen, got a hold
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of this article and was like what and just ripped him a fucking new one.
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He probably ripped Amelio to shreds. And that is why that was a
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huge problem for me. That's what we saw in Amelio's face is that my
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dad was so disappointed in me. I'm running around La acting entitled, acting
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like a little bitch, getting free tickets to shows, going to these clubs
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with this playmate of the year. I know Martin Sheen was, I mean,
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he was called Dennis Hopper. But they were fucking nuts. They that
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they were also there was. There was Charlie, like, when you're Charlie's
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your brother, you can't really do anything too bad, I know. But
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I think that Amelio was the good son. And I think that Martin was
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like, you are not like your brother. Sure, what are you doing?
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Now? You've ruined it? Now you're just like him. I told
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you you can't do that, you know, I think. And he was
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only like twenty two, he was so young, like my god, of
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course he didn't, you know, he was just living his life. And
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like you said, it did sound like fun. It sound like great Hollywood
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knights, like you do. But I think that that is what scathed him
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to the core, which is why he was like, I am cutting myself
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off from all of these people because daddy said, you know, and I
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need to start anew this. Did he say his dad said something? No,
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that's I'm just thinking that, that's all. I think that there's a
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lot of dad baggage there. Emilio Estevez not being able to ever reach the
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star meter that his dad was at is always gonna haunt you. He has
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his own issue, especially since there like they look. I can't believe how
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much he looks like his dad now. It's shocking, Like wow, when
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we had them those denim shirts on and they were just like talking back and
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forth. It was like two people who are so wounded inside that are doing
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the best they can to make it out of this moment. I was surprised
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that Emelio actually even agreed to talk to him, and I was glad that
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he did. But the first thing that Andrew said, you can tell he's
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just so angry inside, is like, why did you do it? This
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is what makes me think he read the article because he read everything that they
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were doing, you know, running around La and Andrew McCarthy it was a
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NYC until he got kicked out. He was a real actor. David Bloom
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gave him those flowers almost like before I read the article, and I was
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watching this movie and Dame of Bloom was like, well, this is about
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people who you know, they were picked from a commercial and they were put
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on in these films or they're all nepo babies, so they're getting these opportunities.
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They're brat that's why it's clever. And and and yet he was like,
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but you you're a real actor, like he was actually saying, but
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you're actually but uh Emilio Estevez is the only NEPO baby. No no,
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so well in the article, it did break it down. I'm trying to
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Junior, but like he he's he was hit or miss on that line.
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You know, Nicholas Cage was included in the article, and he's obviously,
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uh score, nephew, nephew. By the way, in the article,
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I don't know if he read this, but he was, you know,
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bullet pointing the brat pack people. He called Nicholas Cage ethnic like he had
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them all in these like categories or I was very glad they touched on that
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in this documentary because as I'm on my Google doc listening through all the people
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that are why aren't they in the brat pack? Oh, these are definitely
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in the brat pack. But I'm like, this is a list of all
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straight white people. Oh it was, I mean yeah, And that was
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interesting to hear about the John Hughes situation, which was that they were like,
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if you were to look back at a suburb back in the eighties outside
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of Chicago, it was all white people. So he was doing this representation
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of people in this area at that time, and I thought it was really
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great to hear Ira Madison the third talk about how he was like, yeah,
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I mean it was just all white. You know, we just we
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watched these movies and it was like that, that's just we had no choice
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but to watch some of these movies and we had to identify in a way,
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and like, yeah, it was nice to see them touch on that
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with race and that. Someone else mentioned that John Hughes was very interested and
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focused on class more than he was anything else, which also I think is
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a good point of view. But you know, it was you looked at
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all those movies that came out and it was just colorless, you know,
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absolutely. Yeah. I also feel like Andrew McCarthy just wanted to meet Malcolm
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Gladwell and so because Malcolm Blackwell, and he made any yeah, nothing,
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and I think he was wrong. I think one of the things he said
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about it being like a touch point that you could get one hundred and seventeen
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year olds together and they'll understand what you're talking about, Uh when you talk
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about pop culture, and I'm like, dude, superhero movies, h Taylor
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Swift. I mean, like there are I understood when he was saying though,
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but like, you know, you could do with like yeah that or
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like memes, you could do it when you could do it with a million
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thing, right, but we are all ciphered off as well. It's like
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a weird thing. It's like we're not all receiving yeah, the same thing,
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but we we are. We're really not, yeah, because it's so
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desparate. Everything is so separate now that it did actually make me feel like
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I was a part of something special to think that, like during that time,
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you know, we were of a group, but he experienced that.
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His point was like, you don't even have to have watched those movies back
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then. You knew what it was. And I still think that there are
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those cultural touch points yea, even though we're very splintered that like I could
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I mean, even if you don't watch superhero movies, you're like, oh,
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yeah, I know what you're saying, Like I get the gist,
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and I know this guy and this guy, Like I feel like I don't
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want to discount current generations shared experiences because that's what I kind of I mean,
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like when people are like, oh but back then it was so much
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better, I'm like, well, yes and no, but yeah, I
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just didn't think, like I just didn't appreciate like his idea on that it
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was too narrow. It wasn't like including some truths. It was too yeah.
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Yeah, and he seems like a very black and white person. And
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Andrew McCarthy wanted to get something out of him that that he wasn't going to
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give him, and that was sad for Andrew McCarthy. You know, yeah,
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I was like, sorry, you're wrong. Brat Pack was funny,
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like ha ha, it's hilarious time and he's like, God, this is
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not going well well I thought. I mean that's where the director would have
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come in, you know, having to direct something that you're this close to
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and this demented by like so you know what I mean, Like he's it's
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way too close. He knew. I would have loved to the people that
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we met to also have some conversations away from Andrew to get and to hear,
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Like if I were directing it, I would talk to Amelia away from
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Andrew as well. And here's like Andrew's problems were dictating the conversation. It
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was a therapy session, it was, and so you weren't able to just
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also get like, hey, where do you think it? Like some more
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about them and like just kind of let them speak a little bit more,
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and also to maybe even here like how do you feel everybody responded to this,
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you know, or just just any any questions that would like open the
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actors up a little bit that it wasn't so narrow. You know. I
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would also have thrown some quotes up from the article if that's what we're dealing
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with here, you know, on the screen and like center us a little
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bit and even you know it just because the time we got to David Bloom,
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which was kind of a thrill. Yeah, I was shocked. I
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was like, and this is me thinking, I'm sitting here going, oh
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my god, Andrew McCarthy's going to face his demon right now, like this
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and back to the brat Pack documentary. Yeah, and David Bloom like talk
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about ten toes down, like he just was not gonna budge. I had
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to tip my hat. I'm like, damn, you're not gonna you know.
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And ultimately I do think Andrew McCarthy respected it some why he didn't on
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his way out, He's still pushing to get what he wanted. I mean
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they were wrapping it up, they were shaking him, Yeah, they were
30:03
hugging. And then he's like, but come on, you could have been
30:07
nicer, right, I mean, he could not let go, And that's
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why I'm saying this documentary ended. And he still has not worked out as
30:15
Demons and I get it, but he's trying to change history. He cannot
30:22
accept it. It is like a social and mental exercise for someone who's stuck
30:32
in their past to watch to help you get out of it, because you're
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like, oh, he's so stuck. Everybody can see it, Like everyone
30:38
he talks to you, you can see how stuck he is. And for
30:41
David Bloom to be like I was trying to be funny, I was trying
30:45
to be clever. I have no regrets. I believe that you should have
30:48
gotten more opportunities. He actually he said, I believe I should have gotten
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more opportunities from my article, and he does not want to be remembered for
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it. Yeah, well yeah, he's like, I think I was the
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reason why Saint Elmo's Fire did so well because I created controversy. And I
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thought Andrew McCarthy is not going to make it out of this room alive,
31:11
because this is taking away even more so, this is going way worse than
31:17
he probably anticipated, because I thought this is like the worst thing he could
31:22
possibly say to him. First of all, a journalist is going to say
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that that's their job, you know, like they do want to create controversy.
31:27
He does want to spin some shit to make it, you know,
31:32
go off. Just like Demi said, she was like he was just trying
31:34
to get his next job. That was collateral damage. Yeah, that's all
31:40
this shit. I mean, that's like the clickbait basically. I mean that's
31:44
what it is. It's like every time somebody has like this article, everybody's
31:48
quoting, I'm like, it's clickbait. You have to take a hard stance
31:52
on something and then stand in it, and then it upsets some people,
31:57
and other people are like, this is great and that is a successful think
32:02
piece. I think the difference between back then and now is really huge because
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this is New York magazine. This is like, you know, these are
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the kids that are in these in these movies right now, they're huge.
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It's such a huge expose, and these types of things aren't coming out every
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day like it is now. You can get away from rumors and du mois
32:28
and clickbait, just like by by waiting twenty four hours, you know,
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So it's not going to be a career ender. You know. It's just
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so different these days. So back then it was so much more of a
32:38
heavy hit, And I think it's important to understand the difference between then and
32:43
now and how it was actually an effect. It affected their lives and their
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careers. I don't think people had the PR teams either. Back then.
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They were on their own more so, I have to imagine, you know,
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and that's how helpful, like when things go down and you have a
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PR person who's managing it and managing you, and I think it helps.
33:09
Yeah, But again I'm going back to like a lot of these people have
33:13
had great careers. Andrew McCarthy, you could say was emotionally affected. Yeah.
33:22
I mean, I just think this is more of like a flashpoint in
33:25
time where he didn't like the name calling and he absorbed it and lived it
33:30
down to its roots and sadness, whereas everybody else kind of like some people
33:37
had great careers, some people didn't. But that was kind of like,
33:42
you know, that was going to happen anyway, I guess anyway, but
33:46
he probably felt like that wouldn't have happened to him because his example was because
33:52
he's crazy, That's exactly right. And that's where I land I don't know
33:57
if he is, No, I think he is, and I think that's
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where I landed at the end. And I thought, okay, well,
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this was quite the journey to you know, because at first I thought this
34:07
is awful. Oh my god, these poor brat bag people. I feel
34:09
so bad. They're so misunderstood, and went a scathing article and back then
34:13
they couldn't get jobs, you know, And then I was like, after
34:15
person after person after person, it did validate Andrew's story, and I love
34:22
that the validation was there, from Timothy Hutton to these casting directors to producers
34:28
that everyone all had his back. But at the end of the day,
34:32
bro get over it and move on and make the best of it, just
34:37
like Demi Moore did. And if you had, maybe you would be somewhere
34:39
different in your career. And maybe you just can't embrace the fact that,
34:45
like you didn't get the opportunities because you know, they didn't want you.
34:50
You know, they didn't want to cast you. And that's a hard pill
34:53
to swallows. I have felt like there are people that I can think about
35:00
who had all the talent in the world and allowed deep insecurity of this that
35:12
or the other halt them in their tracks, you know. And I think
35:16
for him that article co signed on something for him that stopped him in his
35:27
tracks, you know, and he took it on so deeply in ways that
35:35
like Demi Moore had been through Helen back by the time that article came out.
35:39
Yeah, so for her that is very low on her list in terms
35:45
of problems. Great point. Yeah, so, like she had such a
35:52
different perspective. But I don't think it's about his talent. I don't think
35:57
it's about I think it's about which I do think this is a good if
36:02
a good movie for somebody either who's holding onto something that has affected them someone
36:09
or someone who just has something happened that feels bigger than it is to be.
36:15
Like, you could be Demi or you can be Andrew. It's up
36:20
to you which way do you want to go? Not just her. I
36:24
mean you could be Ali Sheety who has worked consistently. You could be Jed
36:30
Nelson, you could be Rob Lowe, you could be Molly Ringwold, I
36:34
mean John Cryer, like all these people. Maybe, yeah, they're not
36:39
at the top of the you know, called they might not. What's that
36:45
a lot? I mean everyone you just mentioned had great careers, great careers,
36:52
and they're unforgettable. They're legendary because of what they did in that era,
36:57
you know. But then they consistent work and at the end of the
37:00
day, it's like, that's if you If you want to be an actor
37:05
and you get to consistently do that, that's the goal. Right. So
37:08
I mean, didn't Andrew do Weekend at Bernie's after all this? I mean
37:13
that's a banger, Like we Get at Bernie's. Wasn't like that was later?
37:21
I mean it wasn't, but let's say nine, right, so it
37:24
was it was definitely later than eighty five eighty six, So like, yeah,
37:30
okay, but but you know what, one of the other things I
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wanted to mention was that when he was talking to Demi, he said,
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fear was such a dominant part of my life when I was a kid and
37:39
still now. I always felt like I was being stabbed right between my shoulder
37:44
blades by some unknown thing, and that rocked me to my core. And
37:49
he said, that's what I felt like when I first heard the term brat
37:52
pack. Well, that's on you, dude. I mean, that's your
37:58
own thing. Again, I think, like, I'm glad he did this
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because I'm glad that we could see everybody and get an idea that that week
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or two or that time sucked. But I guess, yeah, what a
38:13
reduction she said two. I mean, like, I'm not going to say
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it was like this thing that was not shitty for a while for them,
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I'll give them that, but it was not insurmountable. And it was also
38:30
like, you know, I just I keep going back to this thing that
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it's like, it's Andrew McCarthy. At the end of the day, Andrew
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McCarthy is still like holding this article like literally in his head, as though
38:45
it just came out. Yes. See, that to me is a fascinating
38:50
thing in and of itself, the choke hold that it got on him.
38:53
You know, I would love to hear your bish therapist talk about this,
38:57
because this is something that like we I think it's it can be relatable for
39:04
some people, but it's fascinating to me, and I would love to hear
39:08
what that is. Is that an O C D thing? Like? Is
39:10
it? Is it like intrusive thoughts like it? What where on the scale
39:16
of you know, of psychology does this land? Because when he says something
39:22
is intensive, growing up, he's dealt with fear and he always felt like
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he was being stabbed right between the shoulder blades. I've never heard anyone say
39:30
anything like that before, and that to me is extreme, intense suffering,
39:37
and it made me feel so bad for him, and I just like,
39:40
I want him to be free of whatever it is going on. You could
39:45
see in rob Low's face he was so positive, he was so wonderful about
39:51
it, and I could see him going, uh huh, yeah, so
39:54
you get it now. But because he's like remember when I was like this
40:00
X takes came out, sweetie, like please, he was like remember,
40:02
you know, like I've been for some moments. So yeah, the term
40:07
brat pat is somebody gonna do so much, right he was. They were
40:12
very kind, I will say. Like last a couple of about a week
40:17
ago, I saw someone I went to high school with posts something that I
40:22
found concerning, and I gave him a call. We shared a friend who
40:30
died our junior year. My friend Alison died of cancer. She was she
40:35
had cancer for a few years now, my this gal had and we talked
40:42
about it and I said it to her. I said, you have to
40:47
release Alison a little bit because she was mourning her as if it was thirty
40:53
years ago, like there has been no movement, let go, okay,
41:02
and it's too much and it's too intense and it's not healthy. You know,
41:10
people can and I understand why she is like that, but I mean,
41:19
this is random, but I'm just I just experienced, wow, a
41:22
choke hold. When did she pass away? When did these when we were
41:25
she was seventeen, Oh so it has been a long time. It's thirty
41:30
years. Wow, it's thirty years fascinating to me. And it's too intense,
41:42
you know, It's just there's and I understand why this this gal has
41:47
that because they more like sisters and they lived, you know. Yeah,
41:52
but it's too much. It's not healthy, you know, and it's like
41:59
you gotta it's harder for some people to let go. And you know,
42:05
I mean, I don't some people can water off a ducts back. Like
42:08
Jamie is so good at letting things go. I don't know how she does
42:14
it, you know, but like she does. She's a perfect example of
42:16
somebody who can do that. I've seen her do that. I I'm in
42:21
the middle. I've gotten so much better. I've been on the uh,
42:27
I've been on both sides of the spectrum, you know what I'm saying.
42:30
But I would love a balance in there. And I would love to know
42:31
what the key is to letting something go? Is it mantras? Is it?
42:36
You know? Obviously I have a therapist, but you know, there
42:37
are certain things to to how do you let something go? It's obviously a
42:43
process, but yeah, anyway, we probably need to wrap up. But
42:47
yeah, I think that's relatable moments like where you're like, oh, okay,
42:55
I just experienced it and it's deep. See that is well. I
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think that's very relatable and especially to this situation, like how many people are
43:06
holding onto something from thirty years ago? Heavy, Emily, I'm doing a
43:15
documentary about Deanna's friend. We're going to go back and it'll be pretty good.
43:22
I loved the end when he like left, you know, and then
43:30
they started playing don't forget about me? Don't you forget? Oh my god.
43:32
The Judd Nelson card at the end was the best part of the documentary.
43:36
Wasn't it great Judd Nelson for not doing it? And yeah, Judd,
43:40
yeah, yeah, loved it. Yeah. I mean, you know,
43:45
he didn't call him back, but it's fine if they pretended like it.
43:49
Emily, He's like, wait, no, I think he did.
43:52
I'm gonna say jud called him back, but Molly was like, no,
43:57
I just want to keep moving forward. You know that I'm in the Swans.
44:01
I'm in the Swans. Yeah. She probably was like I am working
44:10
right now and I don't really feel like talking about when I was eighteen again,
44:16
like I'm doing this cool project and good luck you know, he got
44:22
a lot. I mean, I think it was very telling when he said
44:27
his wife was like, essentially, you're going to be humbled. Good luck,
44:30
like as you do this and you're picking up the phone to make some
44:34
calls, right, That was the sentiment behind it. Yeah, yeah,
44:37
yeah, which I thought was telling, I mean, not telling enough because
44:49
I think, like, I think he loves to I think there, I
44:52
don't know he's I really enjoyed it just for the nostalgia, but yeah,
44:59
it didn't make me any more of an Andrew McCarthy fan. And I certainly
45:04
didn't so much. Certainly didn't. I yeah, I loved him. I
45:10
loved him, and I thought, you know, in the beginning, I
45:14
was like, oh, you can still get it, you know. But
45:17
yeah, but you know, it's not that I'm not It's not that I
45:23
don't like him. It just didn't endear him to me, right, Like,
45:29
yeah, it did it first, and then by the end it was
45:32
like we were all done. We're like you would like out of the session,
45:37
thank you? Well do I don't even make a copey like what is
45:42
yeah? Yeah, oh wait, I think that. So this song wait,
45:58
this is a love theme and this is by David Foster. Yeah,
46:02
from sant almost fire right, Yes, So I mean David Foster, what
46:09
a genius, you know. That's all I'll say about he is. He
46:14
would not like you talking over his song right now? I sure would ha
46:17
David Foster. All right, Well, anything else we have you guys want
46:24
to say about the doc? We did it. We did it. I'm
46:30
glad we talked about it. I'm glad we did it, and I'm glad
46:31
it was like a you know, a therapy session for me in a way.
46:37
Yeah, it was great. M hmm. Okay, good, all
46:40
right, guys, Well back on Monday. Wait, it's not July yet,
46:45
is it. Hold on a second, what's the date today? Yes?
46:47
Okay, show? All right, yeah, back on Monday, the
46:52
first with Jersey. Yeah, and then we'll be doing shows up until the
46:58
four were I'm not doing a show on the fourth or the fifth, so
47:01
but yeah, the rest will be chalk full and excited about that. Thank
47:05
you everyone for listening. Have a great weekend. Uh bye, big Allan
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