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Rolly Romero Missed His Shot · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at 6'5, weight class unknown, but
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  Speaker 1: us from his super secret bunker with no AC in Tucson, Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: put your.
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  Speaker 2: Hands together for Luis Montemayor. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the episode of Mixed Company Podcasts. Not
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  Speaker 3: sure if it's going to be short or not, but
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  Speaker 3: we are back. Another week, a lot of fight action,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of fight news. Of course, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: have the show. I'm Jameson, joined by Luis. Luis, what's
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  Speaker 3: going on, man?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Jameson, first things first, before we get into the boxing,
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  Speaker 4: we're recording this on a Tuesday on the day that
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  Speaker 4: Dolly Parton passed away. Big loss at 80 years old.
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  Speaker 4: You know, she's very, very talented, but also very outspoken for,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of different kinds of people, working
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  Speaker 4: class and all that. So, you know, Shout out to Dolly.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not a big fan of country music at all,
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  Speaker 4: but she's one I'll give a pass to. But shout
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  Speaker 4: out to her. Vaya con Dios. But yeah, the big
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  Speaker 4: news that we want to talk about today is the
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  Speaker 4: fight between Rolly Romero and Teofimo Lopez over the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'll start. I was unimpressed with Rolly's performance
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  Speaker 4: for a very specific reason. He came out. I was
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  Speaker 4: ready to give him all the credit in the world
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  Speaker 4: at round five when he started kicking Teofimo's ass. It
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  Speaker 4: made him bleed. Blood was everywhere. He was really being
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  Speaker 4: very aggressive. And then he slowed down the pace. He
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  Speaker 4: should have gone in for the kill. He let Teofimo
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  Speaker 4: become aggressive at the latter half of the fight. And
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  Speaker 4: I think very clearly, Roley lost that fight on points.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, he said that he was robbed, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get into more of that, but Please let me
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  Speaker 4: know what you thought about the fight up last Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: As a boxer, you have to know what side of
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  Speaker 3: the card you're on, and you have to know how
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  Speaker 3: you're going to win said fight. Every boxer knows deep
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  Speaker 3: down inside, or your camp knows deep down inside, how
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  Speaker 3: you have to win said fight. That's just how it goes. Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know going in, like, hey, this is what you
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  Speaker 3: got to do. Hell, sometimes you got to know you're
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  Speaker 3: not winning by decision. Roley's not in a box that's
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  Speaker 3: going to beat Tiafema by decision.
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  Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. It's just not. I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: It's not going to happen. Roley had a chance to
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  Speaker 3: end the fight. He did not end the fight. That
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  Speaker 3: was that.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I definitely agree that Roley didn't have a good
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  Speaker 4: chance to beat Teofilo by decision. But what is it
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  Speaker 4: about these two in this specific fight that makes you
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  Speaker 4: say that? Because Roley was the champ. He had the belt.
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  Speaker 4: And we've always known that the refs and the judges
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  Speaker 4: favor the champ. Telvimo was the challenger here. He's the
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  Speaker 4: one who moved up in weight. So in this case,
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  Speaker 4: why would you say that Roley definitely had to get
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  Speaker 4: a knockout?
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  Speaker 3: Because he's the B-side. Roley, you got to think about
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  Speaker 3: it like this. We're never going to buy a pay-per-view
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  Speaker 3: with him being the feature guy on it. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? I think we're like that. He is
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  Speaker 3: the B-side. He's the guy that keeps the fight card filler,
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  Speaker 3: which is a very valuable role. He gets paid for it,
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  Speaker 3: which is fine. But he's not a guy you're going
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  Speaker 3: to build You're not selling out a 20,000-seat arena to
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  Speaker 3: the role lead.
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  Speaker 2: That's just not going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: So when you have a guy like that, he has
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  Speaker 3: to understand his role.
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  Speaker 2: He has to understand his situation.
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  Speaker 3: When you've got to go for broke, you've got to
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  Speaker 3: go for broke.
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  Speaker 2: You're not here to play around.
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  Speaker 3: If you're going to try to win this fight and
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  Speaker 3: change that fortune, you've got to close the show at
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  Speaker 3: that time when it presents itself.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen it happen many times. This ain't nothing new.
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  Speaker 2: It happens.
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  Speaker 3: But with that being said, there's no way There is
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  Speaker 3: absolutely no way in hell that he allowed that round
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  Speaker 3: to end without putting Teofimo out. Once that happened, we
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  Speaker 3: kind of knew that it was over. And then Teofimo
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  Speaker 3: got his bearings back. And then that was kind of
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  Speaker 3: that at that point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And, you know, last episode before the fight, we
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  Speaker 4: predicted that it would probably go the distance. And we
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  Speaker 4: predicted a Teofimo win. Neither of us were really convinced. uh,
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  Speaker 4: think thought that Roley would, uh, was a very, very,
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  Speaker 4: had a very high chance of winning. Uh, we were
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  Speaker 4: skeptical about it. I was ready to, you know, come
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  Speaker 4: out here, do another mea culpa, um, and say, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was totally wrong on Roley. This guy is a killer.
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  Speaker 4: He absolutely kicked, you know, uh, showed that he's got
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  Speaker 4: the goods after that round five, but that's all he had.
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  Speaker 4: Like he, yeah, he just really sold down the pace
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  Speaker 4: when he should have kept it at that notch. And,
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  Speaker 4: I believe that he kind of rocked Teofimo early on
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  Speaker 4: in like round two or three as well. So he's
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  Speaker 4: got the power. Obviously, his performance in round five showed,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that he had the capability to catch Teofimo
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  Speaker 4: and hurt him. So then why stop? You know, he
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  Speaker 4: did say at the end of the, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: interview afterwards, the press conference, that a lot of other fighters,
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  Speaker 4: you know, get criticized for, or sorry, they get praised
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  Speaker 4: for doing the stick and move, stick and move, and
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  Speaker 4: that he gets criticized for it. And he thinks that's unfair.
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  Speaker 4: I do agree with that. So I'm not criticizing him
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  Speaker 4: on that. I'm saying that, you know, you had him.
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  Speaker 4: You had him. And you let him go.
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  Speaker 2: No, stick and move is one thing. Look here, man.
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  Speaker 3: When you're the underdog in a fight, you have a
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  Speaker 3: window to close the show, you close the show.
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  Speaker 2: Ain't no ifs, ands, and buts.
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  Speaker 3: Ain't no excuses. If you got to go from broke
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  Speaker 3: to where you get dropped, then so be it. But
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  Speaker 3: you have an opportunity, a small chance of opportunity. You
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  Speaker 3: have to take it. He failed in doing so. And
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  Speaker 3: in failing in doing so, this is what happened.
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  Speaker 2: It sucks. It's unfortunate. But these are the breaks. With
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  Speaker 2: that being said, Roley's going to fight again. He'll have
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  Speaker 2: other fights. That's fine.
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  Speaker 3: However, he missed a shot. It happens to the best
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  Speaker 3: of them. But he missed a shot. And when you
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  Speaker 3: miss your shot in this game, it costs you. That's
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  Speaker 3: just how it goes, man. It's unfortunate. But that is
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  Speaker 3: just how it goes. But I don't really want to
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  Speaker 3: hear any excuses. You know, he's supposed to also be
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  Speaker 3: in shape. Great shape to where And you have the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to go for broke because you have that in
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  Speaker 3: the tank.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? There's a lot of things
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  Speaker 2: that post-fight I didn't like. I haven't liked at all.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know, be minus fighters
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  Speaker 3: and be minus fighters.
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  Speaker 2: They are who they are.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we kind of have to expect that from them.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we kind of have to expect like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, they are who they are.
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  Speaker 3: And it sucks to say it like that. But that's
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  Speaker 3: just what it is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I really don't believe that, you know, Broly's
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  Speaker 4: going to be a main event fighter going forward. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I guess the best we can hope for him is
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  Speaker 4: he'd be on other cards. He'd be, what we said before,
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  Speaker 4: the second or third name on that poster. But I
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  Speaker 4: don't see him getting another chance at, you know, another champ,
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  Speaker 4: another belt, another win, like the opportunity they had this Saturday, right?
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  Speaker 4: What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, man, I don't know. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Who else?
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  Speaker 2: Who could he fight?
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  Speaker 4: That's another thing, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Who could he fight now? I mean, let's say he's
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  Speaker 2: not going to fight Ryan again. He's not going to.
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  Speaker 3: Fight Tia Fimo again. It feels like Haney's waiting for
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  Speaker 3: a bigger fight. I don't see the name. I don't
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  Speaker 3: see it. I don't see it.
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  Speaker 2: Like, Roley's not going to fight Shakur. So, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. We have to wait and wait around.
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  Speaker 2: But also, too, Roley is who he is, man. He'll find.
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  Speaker 3: He'll be in a couple more fights going down the line,
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  Speaker 3: so he'll find somebody. This is not going to be
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  Speaker 3: a big name. The thing is, it'll be like the
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  Speaker 3: second or third fight away from the main event type
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  Speaker 3: of deal going forward.
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  Speaker 2: It won't be a co-feature. It won't be a part
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  Speaker 2: of the actual fight card itself. It'll be there, though.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be like throwing in parsley. It's throwing in there.
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  Speaker 4: Just sprinkle, sprinkle Roley in there for a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of extra. I know somebody who literally thinks Parsley is
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  Speaker 4: called Parsley. The most worthless, uh, seasoning ever. So like,
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  Speaker 4: I hope it's not in that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not calling it worthless. Like that. There is value.
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  Speaker 3: Like all due respect, like there is value of guys
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  Speaker 3: who fight the good fight, who, you know, show up,
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  Speaker 3: show up in shape, willing to fight.
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  Speaker 2: There is value in that.
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  Speaker 3: However, there is always a way you can go from
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  Speaker 3: that to a elite guy. Or he's getting elite checks.
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  Speaker 3: And he missed that window Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed. I don't want to keep harping on him
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  Speaker 4: too much. Because we said before, we both said we
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  Speaker 4: like Roley personally. And he is a very talented fighter.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, his attitude during the entire fight of just
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  Speaker 4: trying to be stone-faced and answer one or two words
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  Speaker 4: at a time for the interviewer. I was like, stop it, Roley.
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  Speaker 4: Stop it. You are not that guy.
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  Speaker 2: That's not you.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like it. He was doing something out of
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  Speaker 3: his character. He's known for saying the crazy stuff. He's
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  Speaker 3: known for being him. So him doing all the extras, nah,
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  Speaker 3: that wasn't going to work.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like him because he's kind of like, he's silly.
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  Speaker 4: He's kind of funny. You know, he's a good storyteller.
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  Speaker 4: He's engaging. He's got a good sense of humor. And
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  Speaker 4: he's going out there just being like, I'm here to
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  Speaker 4: kick some ass.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to win. Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: That's all I got to say. I'm like, stop it.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely unbelievable, you know, character change for him. That's just
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  Speaker 4: not who he is.
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  Speaker 3: And it wasn't necessary either. That wasn't necessary. No one
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  Speaker 3: asked for this. No one asked for this at all.
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  Speaker 2: At all. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a bummer. Like I said, I was very
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  Speaker 4: willing to give him all the credit in the world.
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  Speaker 4: He just couldn't do it. But let's talk about the
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  Speaker 4: winner here. Teofimo has said straight up no to a rematch.
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  Speaker 4: There's no rematch clause in the contract there. So he's
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  Speaker 4: not required. And he says he's got three more fights
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  Speaker 4: with DAZN, who he signed with, and he wants to
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  Speaker 4: be undisputed. So Let's see. He's a welterweight now. The
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  Speaker 4: other three welterweight belt holders at the moment are Ryan Garcia,
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  Speaker 4: Devin Haney, and Liam Parrow. So, you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: they're all more exciting fights than Rowley, to be quite
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  Speaker 4: honest with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: What's your take on that? tail female fighting these guys?
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  Speaker 4: Are you, is that an exciting thing for boxing? Are
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  Speaker 4: we going to get a lot of interesting?
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  Speaker 3: That'd be interesting for various reasons, but I mean, him
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  Speaker 3: and Haney fighting doesn't, it's okay. Paro fighting is fine. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it keeps people active and it's also, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's a, a major deal in a sense, right?
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  Speaker 2: So win, lose, or draw, I don't see.
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  Speaker 3: Teofil was in a weird spot because he lost to
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  Speaker 3: the number one guy basically in the sport, but especially
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  Speaker 3: in the division. He lost to that guy pretty handily.
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  Speaker 3: So him doing anything else but beating that guy doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Really do much.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? He's kind of stuck in
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  Speaker 3: a way. Because let's say he fought Haney. He beats Haney,
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  Speaker 3: then what? You know what I mean? He's in a
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  Speaker 3: very weird spot. Same time, he's not going to rematch Shakur.
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  Speaker 3: Him and Ryan would be interesting because of everything going on. However,
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  Speaker 3: no one, I think we value Ryan's antics over his
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  Speaker 3: actual boxing at this point in time. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: really know. That's a good question. I don't really know
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  Speaker 3: what would be next for Tia Fimo.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if his plan is to fight all
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  Speaker 4: these three guys in three fights and go for all
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  Speaker 4: the belts, like, hey, I'll take it. You know, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably the best option that he has right now. Um,
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  Speaker 4: plus keep in mind, you know, he went from, uh,
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  Speaker 4: light welterweight to welterweight, I believe. Um, after he lost
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  Speaker 4: to Shakur, he moved up. So now he's a three
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  Speaker 4: division champion. Uh, I I'm, I'd be very curious. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think, yeah. Uh, here's another thing to remember is
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  Speaker 4: that Ryan Garcia is the belt holder right now, but
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  Speaker 4: he's fighting Conor Benn. That could absolutely change in September.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I would probably, um, try to lean toward a Garcia
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  Speaker 4: win on that one, but we will talk about it
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  Speaker 4: as it gets closer. But, um, There's a very good
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  Speaker 4: chance that Teofimo Lopez could be fighting Conor Benn instead
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  Speaker 4: of Ryan if his plan is to go undisputed. And
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  Speaker 4: I'd be interested in that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it seems to be that after a loss,
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  Speaker 4: a very clear definitive loss to Shakur, I think his
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  Speaker 4: prospects are a lot better off and he still seems
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  Speaker 4: to be in a better position than like Rowley having
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  Speaker 4: lost to Teofimo. That makes sense, right? True, true. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: nobody's talking about Teofimo being the second or third guy
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  Speaker 4: in the fight.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, right now. But, yeah, I don't know. He
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  Speaker 4: still looked great in the ring. You know, even though
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  Speaker 4: he got caught a couple times, Teofimo did. You know,
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  Speaker 4: still was moving very fast. And, obviously, when he was
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  Speaker 4: becoming the aggressor again in the second half of the fight,
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  Speaker 4: I very clearly saw– I disagree with Roley. I do
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  Speaker 4: not think it was a robbery or unfair or any
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  Speaker 4: of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: He just got beat. He's not the better boxer, and
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  Speaker 2: that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: But again, going into fights, that's why having a good corner,
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  Speaker 3: an experienced corner that's real with you is very, very
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  Speaker 3: key because we've seen it both ways. We've seen guys say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you need a knockdown right now. You need a KO
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  Speaker 3: right now or else you're not going to win this fight.
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  Speaker 3: And we've seen it the other way where the corner's
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  Speaker 3: very passive. Hey, keep doing what you're doing. Nah, you're
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  Speaker 3: down eight rounds of two. Don't keep doing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: But we've heard that in the past. So for me,
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  Speaker 3: when I think of situations like that, you want as
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  Speaker 3: much honesty as possible. And people who understand, hey, even
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  Speaker 3: if the fight's close, you're not winning here. You're not
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  Speaker 3: winning this fight for various reasons. So you need to
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  Speaker 3: take up another level and end the fight before it
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  Speaker 3: goes to the cards. So there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: like that, but that's how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: That's the sport.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and another thing you just reminded me of that
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking at the beginning of the fight, it
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  Speaker 4: was I'm not going to say fully snoozy because, you know,
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  Speaker 4: fighters are taking their time to, you know, feel each
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  Speaker 4: other out. But I said to the group chat, too,
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  Speaker 4: Roley needs to let his hands go after about the
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  Speaker 4: third round or something. And then he did. And I
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  Speaker 4: was like, OK, are we seeing a Roley 2.0? You know,
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  Speaker 4: listening to his corner, I believe they did tell him
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  Speaker 4: his trainer was like, let those hands go. You're not
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  Speaker 4: doing it enough. And we just saw like a peak
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  Speaker 4: and then a crash from him.
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  Speaker 2: Are guys conditioned well? Are guys slacking in that department?
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  Speaker 3: It makes you think about a lot of things because
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  Speaker 3: to be honest with you, there's really no excuse to.
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  Speaker 2: Not be prepared. You know what I mean? That's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm always very curious when it comes to these things.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very, very curious because something just doesn't quite add up.
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  Speaker 2: Why are you struggling?
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  Speaker 3: As a boxer, especially in the early rounds, one thing
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  Speaker 3: around 9 or 10, I totally get it. Round 5,
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  Speaker 3: you should have enough energy to go for the kill
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  Speaker 3: There's no excuse.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and in terms of specifically, I'm talking about the
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  Speaker 4: sticking and moving strategy. That does work, and I've had
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  Speaker 4: a couple guys do that to me in sparring, and
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  Speaker 4: it's really frustrating as shit. And when you get frustrated
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: while sparring or boxing, that's when you can make mistakes
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: and get caught. So I understand that. But we're talking
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: about a strategy that you use when being aggressive is
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: very clearly working for you in the middle of the fight.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? At that point, yes, you
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: should be told, Do that shit again and Teofimo might
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: not walk out of here, you know, might not go
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: the distance. But, yeah, it's hard. It's funny. I remember
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: the announcer saying something like, I'm not even going to
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: speculate what was in Roley's head tonight, what was going
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: on in there.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: You can't. You can't. You cannot. You can't.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: Maybe he thought that he had it cinched up, you know,
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: at the end. Maybe this is one of those cases
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: where open scoring would have helped and Roley would have
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: been like, shit, I don't actually have it.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Could have. I mean, you know what? That is a
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: good point, right? Open scoring can help. But again, that's
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: my biggest thing is this. Like, if I'm a boxer
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: and I have a team of boxing heads around me,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think I need open scoring. I think I
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: know what it is. I think I know where I'm at.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: But you're right. I think open scoring would have helped
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: him there. But again, at the end of the day,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: it was two different class of fighters. Tiafimo is an
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: elite guy or close to an elite guy. Rowley's kind
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: of a run-of-the-mill guy at this stage, and that's okay.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and overall, I'll say, you know, it was an
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: entertaining night of boxing. You know, the fight before that,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Yonley Hernandez, guy from Cuba, looking great, kicking ass. His opponent, oh, sorry,
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Varone from Argentina, you know, he was taking some punishment,
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: went the distance, and I was like, I respect this
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: Argentinian guy. You know, he took a lot of punishment
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: from Yonley Hernandez. So, overall, you know, I I wanted
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: what I wanted out of a night of boxing, a
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: couple of great fights. I was very entertained. So, you know, yeah, I,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I wasn't really like, uh,
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: rooting really hard for either Rolly or Teofimo. I just
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: wanted to see a good fight. So I was, I'm not,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to complain, you know, but, uh, yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: let's see what happens with, uh, Teofimo's next decision. And
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: in the meantime, let's talk about a couple of fights
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: we got coming up, uh, this weekend specifically. So this
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: guy and Rolly, I don't believe we've mentioned him or
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: at least we have maybe in passing, but Moses, he's
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: getting a lot of hype, heavyweight. I believe his record
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: is 14 wins with 12 knockouts, no losses. And he's,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of people are talking about as
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: the next big heavyweight name, very young guys. And like
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: his early twenties, I think it's like 21 or 22
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: or something like that. So do you know anything about
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: this guy, Jameson? Have you heard anything or seen any
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: fights at all?
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know much, but I don't know much. I mean,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I need to research a little bit more. But I've
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: heard the name, I've heard a little bit, but nothing much.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Because here's the thing, I don't want to talk on
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: my ass here and be held accountable, so I'd rather not,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: but I need to do some more research.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Yes, and I feel the same way. I've seen clips
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: here and there, and like I said, a lot of
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: the boxing chatter is bringing him up as the next
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: big thing, the guy. But this is one, and with
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Saturdays and the fights in the UK being during the day,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: it's always kind of hard to catch it. This time
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I'm going to make like every concerted effort to watch
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: this guy fight because he's fighting Filip Hergovich. And I
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: just want to see if he's going to live up
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: to the hype or not. I will say it is,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: you know, I believe his like, I think his mom
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: is like, his father's Nigerian and his mother's Slovakian. So,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: which is an interesting combination. Yeah. But yeah, so we've,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I guess it's kind of a weird way to put this,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: but like, Who's going to claim him?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: If he has an ounce of black, he's going to claim.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: We don't play that. One drop rule. We don't play that.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: If you've got some African blood in you, you are us.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Now, I will say, you better embrace your black side.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Don't be one of them that don't embrace the black
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: side until it's beneficial for you. If you embrace it,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: we will be there in full support. We will buy fights.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: We will fly to fights. We'll buy tickets. Oh, no.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, he'll claim us. He'll probably claim us. Okay, okay.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's, like I said, he's Eastern European, and
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: he lives in the UK. Of course, that doesn't mean, obviously, you.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Know, they're... Oh, it means a lot. It means a lot.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Normally, those don't... Those get kind of tricky because those...
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: They like to stay over there for a reason.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I'll put it that way.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I... I'd just be
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: very curious to see if he does become a big
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: name and the fandom that he's going to get. But also,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: being half black, there's going to be a lot of
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: hate as well. I'm sorry, this is going to be true.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Not being pure white, let's be honest.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: It's a different hate, though. It's not like the Mexican
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: hate when you're Mexican-American from Mexico. It's a different hate.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: We hate on people just because. We hate on people
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: because your fight should have been a knockout in round
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: four and it went the distance. Or we don't like
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: what you're wearing. Or we don't like how your girl looks.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: There's different versions of hate on our end. But all
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: we do expect, there's a big beef right now between
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: black people from America and black people from everywhere else.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: So he would just add to it as best as
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: he's really good. So yeah.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Interesting. I actually was not very familiar with that side
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: of it. I mean, I know that in general, yes,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: there's a divide.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I'll be one better.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Black folks in America really don't claim an anthem, Joshua,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: like that. We rocked with Lennox because he was good. Like,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Lennox Lewis was nice, but he's Jamaican. He spent a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: lot of time in England.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I get all that. That's fine.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: But we, you know, there's guys we may have preferred
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: over Lennox, but we rocked with Lennox, though. He just
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: came out at the wrong time because Holyfield, Tyson, a
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: couple other guys. But he was respected very well amongst
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: us here. But Anthony Joshua, like, think about it. Wilder's
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: a C-plus fighter, a C-plus boxer. And I'm not saying
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: he's accoladed. I'm just saying he's a boxer. I know
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: how powerful, I know what he does, right? But as
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: a boxer, I can see plus B minus guy. He's
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: a regular guy, box wise. He is well more liked
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: and loved than Anthony Joshua is.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I can see that. I can definitely, I can understand that, yes.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: He's from the South as well.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: He's from Alabama, so it's way different. But also, it's
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: one of those things too, like, you can be from
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: where you're going to be from, but if you're not
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: going to embrace your blackness, then it's hard to have
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: black fans that are from the States that aren't boxing purists.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: There's a whole different thing about Anthony Johnson probably has
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: more black women fans because of how he looks, not
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: because of anything he says or does.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I'll put it that way. Got it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense. No, that's really fascinating for me,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: you know, being outside looking in. And here's the thing,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: you know, people always say like, oh, you're always bringing
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: up race, this and that. It's like race exists in
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: boxing and it's inseparable.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I'll do one better. Without race, we don't have a sport.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be 100% honest with you. We're past
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: the glory years of boxing. We're still a prevalent sport.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Big boxing matches just up there with anything else. However,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: without race and boxing, we don't have a lot of big...
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: As great as Terrence Crawford is and was, it took
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Canelo at the end of his prime or whatever to
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: bring out his biggest payday. Terrence Crawford's an undefeated champ
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: who did what he did And he was the B-side
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: of a fight because Canelo was Mexican.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. There's no other way to explain it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: It's the reason why I want to say Tyson versus
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: McNeely is like a top five or top ten pay-per-view
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: or gate or whatever. This is how it is. This
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: is how it's always been. So if you take out race,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: then yeah, boxing is not the same. And I will
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: never talk bad about my Mexican brothers and sisters because
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: they support the sport when everyone of theirs is going,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: especially like you mentioned, if they're from Mexico, like they're
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: from Mexico, Mexico, then they come out in full force.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: But people who have not been out here during a
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: fight weekend, they will never understand because there's a certain
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: pride that Mexican people have. They come with the big hats,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: belt buckles and ice shirts, the jeans, the wife and
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: the girlfriend, the side chick, whoever is dressed up, smelling nice,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: There's something that you've got to be there to see it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I can't necessarily explain it to you. You've got to
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: see it. And when you see the ring, it's like, oh,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: they have 80% of the tickets. They're the one that's–
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: it's the reason why Tecate was a beer sponsor all
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: these years.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Yep, that's right.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: It used to be Budweiser, but Tecate took over 20
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: years ago, 25 years ago.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So it's the reason why these things happen.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: It's the reason why in the U.K., you've got a
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: lot of stuff that goes on over there because they
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: do things differently.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: But grace still carries the sport. It carries the sport.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Without grace, I mean, it's the reason why you put
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: a Puerto Rican versus a Puerto Rican guy in New York,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: he's going to sell out. Berlanga is not a good boxer.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: He's another C, not a plus, a C boxer. Sells
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: out in Madison Square Garden. Sells out because he's Puerto Rican.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: White race matters. Like race is caring, which is fine.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: And I don't have a problem with that. But we
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: just gotta be honest about things.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing. The main thing that by this
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: show is the mixed company podcast is that we don't
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: shy away from these conversations because we're not even saying
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: that it's like a good or bad thing.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, it's what it is.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: It's what it is.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: It's realistic. And, you know, we'll obviously we'll say it's
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: a bad thing when there are racists who hate black
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: heavyweight fighters, which is always going to thing that part.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: We're going to call that out.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Like I, I personally don't like, When people say, oh,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: that fighter's too flashy or that fighter doesn't know how
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to box.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: He's just.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: There's words that people will use, right? So they'll say
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: a Mexican boxer doesn't know how to defend himself.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: He's just a brawler.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Like, no, that's not the case. That's not all Mexican fighters.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: That's definitely not the case. But those are innuendos that
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: people will try to throw out there to kind of
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: steer with how to box them. So you got to
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: be careful with shit like that. For the most part,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: if you know boxing... It is.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: What it is. It's the game.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: It's just strictly the game. And here's the thing. If
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you're one of the boxing fans, we all understand it. Like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: no one's tripping over, like, the little stuff. Like, we
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: get why fights are made. We get why Floyd fought
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: a Hispanic fighter for, like, 10 years straight on single-to-mile.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: We understand. We're not dumb. We're not dumb. Yeah.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Arrogant is another term I've heard.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: For black fighters we know what you mean we know
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: what you yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's that's the word that'll slide under the radar
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: for a lot of people but um yeah no i
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: i love that we can have these conversations you know
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: uh about the sport it's uh you know we always
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: try to keep it a little different not too cliche
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: on on you know how we approach things but yeah
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: uh there's so much moses itama you know like i
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: said Talented guy, a lot of hype, but there's all
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: these underlying, you know, things with, you know, which race
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: claims him, where, you know, he's from, and who he's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: going to appeal to, et cetera, et cetera. So I
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: really have to just, like, make a point to sit down,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: put it on my calendar, and watch this guy fight.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Because if he's going to be a big name, you
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: want to keep an eye on him.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: So another thing just interesting that I saw, fights in L.A.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: through a platform called ProBoxTV. I had not heard of this,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: this Saturday night. names that I don't recognize either, but
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: there's a shit ton of names on the card. There's
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: like 10 fights that they've got showing there. I don't
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: know much about pro box TV. They got a little
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: membership for five bucks to start. But you know, for me,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: more fights is always good. Even if I don't know
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: any of these names, as long as they're really talented fighters,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: really active, I'll sit down and I'll check that shit out.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: So I think it'd be cool if I can catch
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: a most of the time during the day, if it's
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: in the UK and then at night watch LA fights.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: So I'm very excited about that. And then, can you
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: believe it? The next TNT event is already next week
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: on September 4th, where Andy Ruiz comes back.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Times wise, bro. I know.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: It just felt like we were talking about the Mount
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Roach fight just like, I don't know, like last week
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: or something. So that's wild. This one, interestingly enough, the
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Andy Ruiz fight through TNT is on a Friday. We
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: were just talking about how Saturday is kind of the
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: big night for boxing. So very interesting. Same thing. I'm
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: very excited that it's going to be on a regular-ass TV.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to be out Friday night, find a
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: place to grab some drinks and watch Andy Ruiz fight.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: So always want to take an opportunity. Shout out to
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: TNT Fights once a month. They're putting on an event.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: So Friday, September 4th, we'll be talking about it more.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: But I always want to put that out there so
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: people can watch, support boxing on regular TV.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: So that's all we got for you all today. Jameson,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: where can people find you on social media?
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: On Twitter at TheJamesonMan. Always on there, you know, trying
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: to decipher all these news coming out. We get We
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: get future fight news all the time. So I think
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Boots is coming up later this year. Got a lot
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: of fights coming up, so it's going to be really cool.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just been– I'm like a broken record, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: it's just been such a great year for the amount
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: of fights that keep being plugged in. Even for the
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: rest of this year, there might be more to come.
• 27:58
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