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The Hidden History of Jewish Pirates, Part 1: Escaping Europe · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so
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  Speaker 1: much for tuning in. This is a big moment in
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  Speaker 1: but I realized that was not the case. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: sorry you're Ben. Yeah, your knowl uh huh. I continue
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  Speaker 1: to be yes. And that's our super producer, Casey Pegram,
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  Speaker 1: Casey Pegram. How do you feel about this? Case he
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  Speaker 1: does that mean we're gonna like not have to retroactively
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  Speaker 1: like shoehorn in our little bumpers, or we we apologize
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  Speaker 1: for making it a two parter. This is this is
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  Speaker 1: brand new territory we're exploring here today. Yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get to think about the outro and the
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  Speaker 1: intro and where to split it. And yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be gonna be interesting. It's a lot of fresh Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we better get it right, Yes, well we'll we'll, we'll
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  Speaker 1: get It's something I think this This is a fascinating episode,
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  Speaker 1: fascinating topic today. It's something that the three of us
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  Speaker 1: were not very aware of before we started working with
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  Speaker 1: Gabe and diving into this story. But long story short,
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  Speaker 1: the headline for this is that Jamaica was once the
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  Speaker 1: h Q for Jewish pirates, which is some thing that
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  Speaker 1: you know, when we think of pirates, most people think
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  Speaker 1: of like Pirates of the Caribbean, some kind of um
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Depp esque ragamuffin in rogue, right, lovable rogue. But
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  Speaker 1: the truth is different. Pirates were very diverse. They depending
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  Speaker 1: on the ship. They had a more democratic existence than
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  Speaker 1: a lot of laborers at the time. But we're going
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  Speaker 1: to explore a story about pirates that you may not
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  Speaker 1: have heard before. If I might read a small exerpt
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  Speaker 1: from Ed Kritzler's Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean. Speaking of which, guys,
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  Speaker 1: quick poll, do you say Caribbean or Caribbean? I go
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  Speaker 1: back and forth. Yeah, in the same way. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of uh, I don't know whatever sounds good in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: I mean sure feels to me like the Ride of Disneyland.
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  Speaker 1: Is Pirates of the Caribbean. Absolutely yes, And that phrase
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  Speaker 1: it's always Caribbean cool. It's like data or data, or
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  Speaker 1: if you're talking about that billy ocean song, it's Caribbean
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  Speaker 1: the ocean in the desert, or you would say like
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  Speaker 1: Caribbean food. You wouldn't say Caribbean food, right. See, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that this is great. We have cleared this up entirely.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely a tastemaker type situation. But also there are
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  Speaker 1: clear cases where one or the other is more appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: We can put that to bed now. So again, back
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  Speaker 1: to the eggs a Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean at
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  Speaker 1: the dawn of the Age of Discovery, when Spain's monarchs
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  Speaker 1: banished them to purify and thereby unite their nation, followers
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  Speaker 1: of the Law of Moses sailed with the explorers and
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  Speaker 1: marched with the conquistadors. With the discovery and settlement of
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  Speaker 1: the New World, they took solace in the hope of
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  Speaker 1: finding there a haven, or at least putting distance between
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  Speaker 1: themselves and the Holy Terror. Yeah, you know what, let's
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  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and carry this out a little bit further.
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  Speaker 1: So Chritzler goes on to say that unlike a lot
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  Speaker 1: of other explorers, these individuals didn't have a home to
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  Speaker 1: return to. They were some of the quote unquote foreigners
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  Speaker 1: to permanently settle in the New World, and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them kept their religious beliefs secret, particularly like how
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  Speaker 1: he breaks down in this next quote where he says
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  Speaker 1: Jewish explorers, can quistadors, cowboys, and pirates were similar in
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  Speaker 1: spirit to other settlers. But while others came to conquer,
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  Speaker 1: search for gold, and collect a his words, not ours
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  Speaker 1: quote bevy of Indian women, they came as well to
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  Speaker 1: settle a land beyond the tentacles of the Inquisition. This
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  Speaker 1: early history is largely unknown because few knew these pioneers
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  Speaker 1: were Jewish. They would pose often as Christians to avoid
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  Speaker 1: further persecution in the New World. That's right, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming Ben in that movie trailer esque exert I read
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  Speaker 1: from Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean, the Holy Terror is
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  Speaker 1: referring to those that would persecute them for their faith,
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  Speaker 1: like them being Jewish, and the Holy Terror being what
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  Speaker 1: the status quo of just Christiane entity Catholicism Inquisition. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition except when you do,
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  Speaker 1: and you become a pirate to escape it. M hm.
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  Speaker 1: And it's strange. It's it's history that is still relatively
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  Speaker 1: obscure to a lot of people. Each colony in the
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  Speaker 1: New World had an underground community of Jewish people that
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  Speaker 1: were known only to each other and to some other
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  Speaker 1: Jewish people maybe in adjacent colonies or nearby colonies. According
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  Speaker 1: to Chritzler, and this is also quote un pulling from
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  Speaker 1: The Daily Beast on the Jewish pirates of the Caribbean. Caribbean, Caribbean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be thinking about that. But according to Chritzler,
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  Speaker 1: these individuals did pretty well in the economy of the
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  Speaker 1: time as merchants, as traders and ship owners. And as
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  Speaker 1: long as they kept up kind of a lip service
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  Speaker 1: pretense towards Christianity, and as long as they did a
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  Speaker 1: good job as shippers, as merchants and traders, no one
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  Speaker 1: bothered to question them two closely. But once they established
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  Speaker 1: this massive trade network, the powers that be started to
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  Speaker 1: consider them expendable. Yeah, it's true, and it really was
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  Speaker 1: a case of fleeing where they wanted to go someplace
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  Speaker 1: that they would not be persecuted for for those secrets
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  Speaker 1: and for their faith. And oftentimes some of these uh
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  Speaker 1: these Jewish merchants of the Sea uh fled to Middle
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  Speaker 1: Eastern countries like those in the Ottoman Empire, and another
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  Speaker 1: huge wave of these folks landed in Jamaica. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: there were so many Jewish folks fleeing for Jamaica that
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  Speaker 1: they actually occupied a massive number of Jamaican legislative seats.
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  Speaker 1: So many in fact, that in the nineteenth century, Jamaica's
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  Speaker 1: parliament was the only one in the New World that
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  Speaker 1: didn't have sessions on Saturdays because of Shabbat. It's fascinating
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  Speaker 1: and tragic how European expansion across the Atlantic Ocean occurred
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  Speaker 1: in step with a new wave of anti Semitism. The
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  Speaker 1: same month that Crystal Bald Cologne or Columbus UH set
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  Speaker 1: sail right trying to find a route to Asia, King
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  Speaker 1: Ferdinand and Queen Isabella actually ordered the expulsion of all
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  Speaker 1: Muslims and Jews from Spain, and then Portugal followed up.
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  Speaker 1: So people are trying to escape somewhere, to your point,
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  Speaker 1: and Jamaica became a I don't know, a home away
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  Speaker 1: from home of sorts. It was anomalous at this time
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  Speaker 1: because Jamaica was essentially a private possession of Christopher Columbus
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  Speaker 1: and his family. He had been awarded the ownership of
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  Speaker 1: Jamaica in perpetuity back in Does that mean he personally
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  Speaker 1: benefited from any of their cash crops and exports and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, like it was that even a thing? Yet,
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  Speaker 1: like all that sugarcane and other farming commodities that would
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  Speaker 1: come out of Jamaica, which we know was a thing.
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  Speaker 1: He owned everything, you know what I mean? That's wild man,
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  Speaker 1: that is wild. Yeah. And before we before we think
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  Speaker 1: that is just something consigned to the dustbin of history,
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  Speaker 1: I will point out there is an island in Hawaii
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  Speaker 1: that is owned by a single family. It's a big island,
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  Speaker 1: and they also h They also suppressed technology there. You
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  Speaker 1: literally cannot go. It's like a fiefdom. But anyway, that's
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  Speaker 1: what Christopher Columbus had and his heirs, who you know,
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  Speaker 1: inherited Jamaica from him, kept their domain free from the inquisition.
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  Speaker 1: So it does make sense for the Jewish diaspora to
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  Speaker 1: travel there because it's one of the places and can't
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  Speaker 1: get you, that's right. And then in sixti UM. This
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  Speaker 1: was a year after a lot of Jewish refugees um
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  Speaker 1: had arrived in Jamaica from Dutch Brazil, which is a thing.
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  Speaker 1: The island wasn't being particularly looked after by It's uh.
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  Speaker 1: I guess what do you call it? Like it's it's viceroy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what. What would columbus of an owner?
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  Speaker 1: I guess he wasn't doing a pretty shoddy job of
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  Speaker 1: taking care of business and keeping a good watch on
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  Speaker 1: his possession. And it was seized by Britain, totally hijacked,
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  Speaker 1: pulled out from under him. No more island for Chrissy
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  Speaker 1: Colombo yep. And the leader of this attack was one
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  Speaker 1: Admiral William Penn, who will go on to be the
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  Speaker 1: father of William Penn Jr. Who will go on to
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  Speaker 1: later found Pennsylvania. Religious freedom was in pretty good shape
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  Speaker 1: under the British rule. By Seventh Team twenty somewhere around
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  Speaker 1: of the residents of Kingston, the capital of Jamaica, were
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  Speaker 1: descendants of Spanish Portuguese Jews, So at this point the
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  Speaker 1: Jamaican Jewish population was pretty well entrenched and they were
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  Speaker 1: looking for some more opportunities at sea, some adventures, if
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  Speaker 1: you will, and they started captain ng ships. This j
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  Speaker 1: Post dot com article lists a few, uh, one of
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  Speaker 1: which was the Queen Esther, the Prophet Samuel, and the
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  Speaker 1: Shield of Abraham. So they were really leaning into their
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  Speaker 1: Jewish faith with the mast heads, you know, of their
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  Speaker 1: of their of their ships, right and um, they really
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  Speaker 1: started kind of clustering around the Caribbean looking for sunken
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  Speaker 1: treasure and sometimes straight up robbing people. Yes, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's correct. We will mention though that they had a
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  Speaker 1: specific bias. They wanted to a tax Spanish and Portuguese
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  Speaker 1: ships because this was seen as payback for the torture
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  Speaker 1: of Jewish people conducted by the Inquisition. This was also,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, retaliation for confiscation of property. We have
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  Speaker 1: to remember when the Inquisition persecutes people, they often have
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  Speaker 1: laws that incentivize the investigators, the inquisitors. Uh. In one
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  Speaker 1: of those laws is the idea that if you can
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  Speaker 1: punish someone right for blasphemy or punish them for being
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  Speaker 1: a witch or whatever, then you are entitled to all
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  Speaker 1: or some of their worldly goods. So sometimes people were
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  Speaker 1: getting persecuted just because they were well to do, but
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  Speaker 1: then also socially vulnerable. So the some of these crews,
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  Speaker 1: we have to be very clear about this, Some of
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  Speaker 1: these crews did not see themselves as criminals so much
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  Speaker 1: as like adventurers and people fighting the power that was
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  Speaker 1: the Inquisition. This is where we get to really I
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  Speaker 1: think a fun part of the episode, which is busting
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  Speaker 1: some pirate myths. They set it up at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: But casey, as you guys know, pirrating was kind of egalitarian,
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  Speaker 1: like surprisingly so back then, Yeah, that's right. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you think of pirates is like almost like vikings, which
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  Speaker 1: also that we didn't we bust some Viking myths recently
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  Speaker 1: in our our Unicorn Horn episode, so similarly so, they
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  Speaker 1: were more organized than one would think when would be
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  Speaker 1: led to believe you think that vikings and pirates alike
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  Speaker 1: were just bloodthirsty rapers and pillagers, and there certainly was
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  Speaker 1: some of that going on, but they had a pretty
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  Speaker 1: egalitarian situation where it was much more democratic than you
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  Speaker 1: would be led to believe. Um, there was a sense
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  Speaker 1: of equality among the ranks of some of these pirates,
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  Speaker 1: and that is a big part of what attracted some
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  Speaker 1: of these displaced Jews to join in that lifestyle because
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  Speaker 1: it looked like an opportunity to be treated as equals
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  Speaker 1: um and to make a little cash while they were
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  Speaker 1: at it. Pirates were not just you know, going willing
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  Speaker 1: nilly up and down the coast, burning things to the
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  Speaker 1: ground with no sense of order. Um. They were totally
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  Speaker 1: organized in fans of democracy. Right, yeah, yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily because of some sort of noble
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  Speaker 1: altruistic motivation. It's because it's better for business. It's a
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  Speaker 1: more sustainable model, So that's why they would do things
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  Speaker 1: like elect their captain. It's brilliant when you think about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is an age where they're still like
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  Speaker 1: press gangs and people are getting their drinks drugged somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in Europe and they're waking up as essentially a slave
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  Speaker 1: on a ship. But in the world of piracy, the
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  Speaker 1: crew can elect their captain, which means the crew probably
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  Speaker 1: picks a captain they like and a mutiny is less likely.
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  Speaker 1: They also elect the quartermaster. The captain has like emergency
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  Speaker 1: powers you could call them, but otherwise he has to
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  Speaker 1: check with the gang if he wants to do stuff
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  Speaker 1: during peacetime. I think it's inspiring. I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 1: I can do in piracy here that I would want
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  Speaker 1: to live on a pirate ship, but I think the
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  Speaker 1: power of the vote is cool, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: really cool that pirates knew that. Wouldn't it be funny
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  Speaker 1: if the word quartermaster was actually pronounced something like quormster,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sort of the way boat swain's pronounced bosen,
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  Speaker 1: one of these inexplicable nautical terms that just does not
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  Speaker 1: read at all on paper the way it's pronounced, or
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  Speaker 1: Worcester exactly like Worcester. What if quartermaster was actually quister?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, just spitball in here, but it's true. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the the captain certainly was the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the boss, but it was a power that came with respect,
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  Speaker 1: literally the respect of his underlings, I guess, because they're
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  Speaker 1: the ones that put this person in powers. You're absolutely right,
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  Speaker 1: ben Um. There was a lot of checks and balances,
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  Speaker 1: shall we say, built into this system. Pretty cool. Then
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  Speaker 1: we move into another era of like or another I
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  Speaker 1: guess wing of piracy UM called privateers, which is you could,
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  Speaker 1: I guess refer to as legal piracy because it much
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  Speaker 1: more has to do with reclaiming sunken wreckage on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of a company and getting to keep some of that money,
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  Speaker 1: or getting to do it for salvage or whatever, or
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  Speaker 1: things like mercenary bounty hunting and the like. Right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so privateers are legal pirates at this time. They are
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  Speaker 1: doing things that would be against the law, but they're
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  Speaker 1: doing it with the explicit support of a sovereign nation.
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  Speaker 1: So imagine that you are a bank robber if you're
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  Speaker 1: listening to this, you and I and Casey nol we
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  Speaker 1: we got together, we made a heist crew and we
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  Speaker 1: started robbing banks. That's illegal, right, but imagine that we
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  Speaker 1: have the support of the government of Canada. Like we're
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  Speaker 1: right on the Canadian US border, and Canada says, we
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  Speaker 1: love the way you all robbed banks. We want to
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  Speaker 1: make your apple dumpling gang UH an official, an official
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  Speaker 1: arm of UH, you know, the Canadian war machine. So
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  Speaker 1: you will be pirates for us. But the Canadians seem
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  Speaker 1: so friendly. I don't know that they would jump into
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  Speaker 1: business with these uh, these these opportunists pirate weirdos. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but this this example, we're bank robbers that Canada is
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  Speaker 1: you know, approving of for these folks, I guess you know,
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  Speaker 1: one interesting difference in the comparison is that these European
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  Speaker 1: countries are paying people to start trouble and disrupt trade
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  Speaker 1: lines half a world away. Look, and I'm really sorry
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  Speaker 1: I characterized pirates as opportunist weirdos. That's the whole point
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  Speaker 1: of today's episode. We're busting these myths. You know, everyone's
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  Speaker 1: an opportunist. You're just looking for opportunity on the high
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  Speaker 1: seas because they want to make a better life for
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  Speaker 1: themselves and their families. And while there certainly was some absolute,
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  Speaker 1: uh batty type behavior, I think all pirates were not
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  Speaker 1: created equally awful. I think that's sort of the the
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  Speaker 1: takeaway here, and it's interesting to think about. Yeah. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a privateer, you're a pirate with a piece
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  Speaker 1: of paper, an official letter that says you're allowed to
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  Speaker 1: to break these laws and engage in this economic warfare,
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  Speaker 1: and in return, you give that monarchy or that state
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  Speaker 1: power a cut of the booty. Which sounds weird to
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  Speaker 1: say that way, Okay, you give them a cut of
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  Speaker 1: the earnings. I like the cut of your booty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: cut of the booty. Yeah, I'm using them. I did
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  Speaker 1: not see myself coining the phrase cut of the booty,
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  Speaker 1: but here we are. So so the thing is that
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  Speaker 1: if there wasn't a war going on that the privateers
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  Speaker 1: could participate in, they just went back to being regular
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  Speaker 1: pirates and they will pull out that letter if they
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  Speaker 1: ever got in trouble they would essentially so weird. This
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  Speaker 1: is going to be something for all the vexillologists in
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  Speaker 1: the crowd. The difference between these ships in peacetime and
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  Speaker 1: a wartime was mainly the flag. If they're working for Britain,
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  Speaker 1: their flying the Union Jack or you know, the same
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  Speaker 1: thing for Holland. But then if they're not currently privateering,
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  Speaker 1: they just throw up the old jolly Roger. Which I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, but if you ever looked
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  Speaker 1: at those the old real examples of pirate flags, uh,
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  Speaker 1: is the design different. It's still you know, there's still
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  Speaker 1: like a skull crossbones thing, but there there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of variation there that hasn't happened that I was unaware of.
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  Speaker 1: So you'll see one with a like a clothed person
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  Speaker 1: handing a cup to a skeleton, a skeleton with an
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  Speaker 1: arrow pointing at a heart, like a Valentine and stay
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  Speaker 1: card heart and then wearing a crown. It's interesting they're
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  Speaker 1: more detailed than I thought they were. That sounds pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like some almost like Tarot card imagery a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. I like that. Okay, So I think we've
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  Speaker 1: we've laid the groundwork for this thing, this phenomenon of
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  Speaker 1: of of of Jewish pirates um traversing the high seas
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  Speaker 1: in search of great riches um. And I think this
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  Speaker 1: is a good spot to close out this episode one
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  Speaker 1: uh and uh and and and save some of the
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  Speaker 1: notable um and individual stories of of pirates and privateers
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  Speaker 1: of the Jewish faith from throughout history. I think that
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  Speaker 1: gets an episode on. So what do you think, guys?
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  Speaker 1: Agreed will also solve the mystery of why a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people haven't heard of Jewish pirates in the modern day.
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  Speaker 1: What are we talking about? We'll tell you in our
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  Speaker 1: next episode. We hope that you enjoy Part one of
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  Speaker 1: Jamaica and Jewish Pirates, and we hope you joined us
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  Speaker 1: for Part two in the meantime. Thanks as always to
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  Speaker 1: our super producer, the Jolly Roger of your heart and mind,
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  Speaker 1: Pegram and the Jolly Rancher of my soul Um Casey
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  Speaker 1: Pegram indeed, yeah, I know this one was a little
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  Speaker 1: on the short side. We thought it was a clean
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  Speaker 1: break to get into some really cool stories of some
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  Speaker 1: of these these badass individuals in the next episode. Until then,
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  Speaker 1: huge thanks to Alec Williams who composed our name. Christopher
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  Speaker 1: Ocota is here in spirit, Jonathan Strickling the quiz Ster,
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